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NebraskaRed
08-04-2014, 03:05 PM
Hamilton CF
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Mesoraco C
Pena 1B
Schumaker LF
Hannahan DH
Santiago 2B
Cozart SS

Simon P

Santiago in the game (that's good)
Hannahan DHing instead of Ludwick (that's bad)

Rantly
08-04-2014, 03:21 PM
Hamilton CF
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Mesoraco C
Pena 1B
Schumaker LF
Hannahan DH
Santiago 2B
Cozart SS

Simon P

Santiago in the game (that's good)
Hannahan DHing instead of Ludwick (that's bad)

Could not agree more!!! (Hannahan)

RedsBrick
08-04-2014, 03:32 PM
Yep. Head-scratcher.

NeilHamburger
08-04-2014, 03:46 PM
Gotta get Hanny goin'. Wait, wrong year.

klw
08-04-2014, 03:48 PM
I hate to sound like a negative Nellie but I hate the Reds chances against Kluber. I hope this a huge negative jinx but I really doubt they win if Simon gives up more than a run.

Kiko
08-04-2014, 03:49 PM
My only guess with Hannahan is he is a lefty and they hit for a higher average against Kluber than righties. I would rather see Ludwick myself.

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 03:58 PM
http://i.imgur.com/G0UDQLP.gif

redhawkfish
08-04-2014, 04:18 PM
Woohoo! I am in my Cleveland hotel 3 blocks from the field getting ready for dinner and a few cold ones before the game! We are going to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the game tomorrow also. Go Reds!

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2014, 04:25 PM
Clearly they chose Hannahan to DH because he knows this field well and it gives him an advantage. No? Okay, I'm out of ideas.

Ironman92
08-04-2014, 04:35 PM
Asinine to not have Luddy as DH

Shocking that Skip Schumaker gets another start and we also have Cozart in the lineup and of course our wonderful DH Jack Hanahan

Larkin Fan
08-04-2014, 04:49 PM
Can Hannahan go back on the DL? Please.

PepperJack
08-04-2014, 04:57 PM
Brian Giesenschlag ‏@BGiesenschlag 8m
Price on #Reds offense "we lost out feel, our approach and mojo but it looks like we're headed back in the right direction now"

SlimJim11
08-04-2014, 05:04 PM
My only guess with Hannahan is he is a lefty and they hit for a higher average against Kluber than righties. I would rather see Ludwick myself.

Righties don't hit him at all. .218/.251/.282/.533

Kluber is having a dominating season. His xFIP is the 6th best in baseball (Cueto is 14th).

villain612
08-04-2014, 05:09 PM
7708

davereds24
08-04-2014, 05:31 PM
Has it really come to people criticizing Price for not using Ludwick as DH? If that's what you want it really doesn't matter at this point. Ludwick sucks as a DH. I'd much rather Price go with the lefty vs righty in the long run that anything, although with this collection of hitters it doesn't really matter.

NebraskaRed
08-04-2014, 05:35 PM
Has it really come to people criticizing Price for not using Ludwick as DH? If that's what you want it really doesn't matter at this point. Ludwick sucks as a DH. I'd much rather Price go with the lefty vs righty in the long run that anything, although with this collection of hitters it doesn't really matter.

In what way does Ludwick suck as a DH? He's the 3rd best hitter on the team, after Mesoraco and Frazier.

Red Raindog
08-04-2014, 06:42 PM
http://i.imgur.com/G0UDQLP.gif

your new avatar is creeping me out

malcontent
08-04-2014, 06:52 PM
Gotta get Hanny goin'. Wait, wrong year.
Apparently, those were formative years for Price.

Lutz may as well be in AAA. Price chose a 75% Jack Hannahan over him.

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 07:03 PM
my most hated team in baseball. I have been praying to the baseball gods that the Reds play their best ball of the season these next 4 days but even then still might not be enough

Larkin Fan
08-04-2014, 07:06 PM
Hi, hello everyone. It's a George Grande series...

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 07:10 PM
I want Ludwick to play because I'm clinging to the slender hope that he goes on a miraculous tear that creates a Pavlovian response in the Yankees front office. (I'd really rather we not have to foot the entire bill for his $4.5 million buyout or $9 mil (?) option next year.)

Edit: But I do wish his agent would negotiate my next raise.

Larkin Fan
08-04-2014, 07:13 PM
Bruce beats the shift with a single to left!

Larkin Fan
08-04-2014, 07:14 PM
Ludwick at his worst is still a better hitter than Hannahan at his best. That's exactly why he should be the DH.

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 07:20 PM
throw fricking strikes Simon

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 07:22 PM
thats what happens when you get behind 3-0, you cant play around with these AL lineups they will kill you

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2014, 07:23 PM
Bruce beats the shift with a single to left!

Loved seeing both Jay & Rocco going oppo. In the past, seeing Jay go to the opposite field was a small clue that he was about to go nuts at the dish. Let's hope that's the case.

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2014, 07:25 PM
'Fredo...move your butt and cover first!!! :thumbdown:

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 07:25 PM
Simon looks terrible early on, not attacking being passive especially against some pretty bad hitters

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 07:30 PM
I've seen that Wendy's Pretzel Bun commercial so many times I'm almost starting to miss Bronson's JTM commercial.

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2014, 07:30 PM
'Fredo...move your butt and cover first!!! :thumbdown:

And again. Santiago....move your butt and cover second!!! :thumbdown: Cozart shouldn't have had to take that himself.

*sigh*

I miss our full defense. :(

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 07:31 PM
I've seen that Wendy's Pretzel Bun commercial so many times I'm almost starting to miss Bronson's JTM commercial.
They're together again
They're together again
BEEEEEEF HOOOOAAAGIES

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 07:32 PM
They're together again
They're together again
BEEEEEEF HOOOOAAAGIES

The key word was "almost." :laugh:

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2014, 07:37 PM
Kluber reminds me of Homer quite a bit. In terms of delivery and stuff.

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 07:38 PM
Kluber reminds me of Homer quite a bit. In terms of delivery and stuff.

he cant throw 97 like Homer can though, not near as talented but alot more patient and calm on the hill

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Playadlc
08-04-2014, 07:38 PM
That seems about as far as Cozart can hit it.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 07:39 PM
Has it really come to people criticizing Price for not using Ludwick as DH? If that's what you want it really doesn't matter at this point. Ludwick sucks as a DH. I'd much rather Price go with the lefty vs righty in the long run that anything, although with this collection of hitters it doesn't really matter.It's quite popular to give Ludwick the devil for not hitting .290 and hitting 20 HR's, so he's worthless. Trouble is, the numbers don't lie. Since Price decided he was going to platoon in left, he's fun Heisey, Schumaker, and Lutz out there to disastrous results--much lower numbers than Luddy. And he sits what may be the third best hitter right now because Schu is a "hustler" and a "veteran" or Heisey because he's a better fielder, or Lutz to see what he's got. In the meantime Ludwick sits on the bench and sees guys not producting playing ahead of him and burns a slow burn. I don't blame him.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 07:40 PM
Long day at the office and just now seeing the lineup. Yep, Hannahan as the DH pretty much sums up the entire 2014 season for the Reds. What a disaster. I mean, when you have to use a glove-first/terrible hitter as your DH, you know your team is really, really bad. (Or you could just look at the offensive stats to see that. Either way.)

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 07:40 PM
Kluber reminds me of Homer quite a bit. In terms of delivery and stuff.

But in terms of the most important stat, BWDR (Bruce Wayne Doppleganger Ratio), we still have the superior player.

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2014, 07:41 PM
he cant throw 97 like Homer can though, not near as talented but alot more patient and calm on the hill

Both smooth and easy deliveries. Then the ball explodes out of their hands. Neither look like they're throwing hard, but both are in the mid 90's. Looks like very little effort expended by both.

And btw...he hit 96 in the first inning.

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 07:42 PM
Long day at the office and just now seeing the lineup. Yep, Hannahan as the DH pretty much sums up the entire 2014 season for the Reds. What a disaster. I mean, when you have to use a glove-first/terrible hitter as your DH, you know your team is really, really bad. (Or you could just look at the offensive stats to see that. Either way.)
He walked tho.

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2014, 07:47 PM
I don't like Schumaker defensively (at ANY position) but I'll give him this...much better range than Ludwick.

BluegrassRedleg
08-04-2014, 07:50 PM
Wake up, Bruce. Good gawd.

toledodan
08-04-2014, 07:51 PM
Hamilton can't steal if you're swinging at the first pitch Bruce!

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 07:54 PM
Jay Bruce really killed this inning, doubtful we ever had a chance of scoring anyway. Good god this offense is beyond pathetic, and lacking IQ

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 07:56 PM
We seem to be burning through our quota of baserunners to no effect.

In just the past 3 weeks, I think I've seen this movie more times than Star Wars.

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 07:56 PM
Some wasted LOB opportunities, but at least Kluber has tossed 50 pitches through 3 innings. Gotta break through though.

_Sir_Charles_
08-04-2014, 07:58 PM
Some wasted LOB opportunities, but at least Kluber has tossed 50 pitches through 3 innings. Gotta break through though.

Keep getting guys on. We will.

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 08:11 PM
If I was the Reds' clutch hitting, I'd rather have stayed behind on the beach in Miami, too.

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 08:12 PM
Ugh, Fredo.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 08:12 PM
If history is any indication, this game is over.

BluegrassRedleg
08-04-2014, 08:13 PM
Dude was hitting about .190 with 2 xbh for the last month.

WrongVerb
08-04-2014, 08:13 PM
Should have sold high on Simon.

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 08:13 PM
Alfredo is really no good and finally coming down to earth, but the Indians are alot more talented than the Reds. They have guys who can actually hit unlike the AAA lineup the Reds throw out there every night

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 08:14 PM
I knew Simon would fall apart in the second half of the season. Great job by our GM selling high on him. Oh wait, we were "buyers" not "sellers" I forgot.

Forget the fact that that contradicts Mat Latos' agent telling him his name was being floated in trade talks, but whatever. Yeah, we were buyers.

Should have traded Simon while he still had value. Now he's just Alfredo Simon again. And that's not good.

#waltfail

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 08:14 PM
Should have sold high on Simon.

agreed, needed to get him out of town and now it's too late. Nobody wants an average SP from the bullpen

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 08:14 PM
Simon will have a correction at some point, and we may be experiencing that now.

BCubb2003
08-04-2014, 08:15 PM
I figure the other GMs felt the same way about Simon.

WrongVerb
08-04-2014, 08:17 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm fine with Cozart being Cozart as long as he hits at the bottom of the lineup and the Reds fix that gaping maw in left field.

RedTeamGo!
08-04-2014, 08:18 PM
Game over. As I said at 4:01 pm on July 31st: not trading simon (and Broxton) is inexcusable. Walt needs to go.

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 08:19 PM
i would trade the Indians lineup for the Reds including Votto and Phillips within a heartbeat and never look back. Reds would be so good with an actual offense

BluegrassRedleg
08-04-2014, 08:20 PM
Ax myself, "Why am I watching this?" :confused::dunno::confused:

/click

WrongVerb
08-04-2014, 08:23 PM
Game over. As I said at 4:01 pm on July 31st: not trading simon (and Broxton) is inexcusable. Walt needs to go.

Walt needs to go and the Reds need to replace him with someone with contemporary thinking about baseball players and statistics. Just having another Walt move in isn't going to work long-term.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 08:23 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm fine with Cozart being Cozart as long as he hits at the bottom of the lineup and the Reds fix that gaping maw in left field.
Not me. That at bat was horrible. Cozart is not a major league hitter. In fact, he's a liability to an offense that's anemic anyway.

The same might be said for Hamilton against really good pitching. He looks helpless tonight, but then again, most of the lineup looks that way.

Kingspoint
08-04-2014, 08:24 PM
When the other teams scores four runs, no matter how early, is it a foregone conclusion that the game is over with this roster?

Red Raindog
08-04-2014, 08:25 PM
Apparently, those were formative years for Price.

Lutz may as well be in AAA. Price chose a 75% Jack Hannahan over him.

math is my strength -- .75 X 0 = 0

Larkin Fan
08-04-2014, 08:25 PM
i would trade the Indians lineup for the Reds including Votto and Phillips within a heartbeat and never look back. Reds would be so good with an actual offense

Good Gawd...

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 08:26 PM
Good Gawd...

look at the stats, they have a top 10 offense. Something the Reds couldn't dream of having. I will sacrifice some defense for the ability to score runs ANY DAY

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 08:26 PM
Game threads on Redszone when the Reds are losing are the worst.

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Worst.gif

Kingspoint
08-04-2014, 08:27 PM
Game threads on Redszone when the Reds are losing are the worst.

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Worst.gif

What do you expect? Lollipops and unicorns?

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 08:29 PM
Making the All-Star team was the worst thing that could have happened to Simon (at least from the Reds' perspective). This guy isn't an All-Star. He had a lucky first half and now he's pitching like he has the rest of his career. Probably got an overinflated sense of himself after that bogus selection (which only happened b/c Cueto couldn't pitch).

Simon is falling apart.

Way to go Walt!

LewGra
08-04-2014, 08:31 PM
Should have sold high on Simon.

And gotten what with him?

757690
08-04-2014, 08:33 PM
And gotten what with him?

More than the Indians got for Masterson.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 08:34 PM
The Reds are awful this year. I don't even know why I care.

Oh yeah, because I'm addicted.

Another run. Simon says Walt pooped the bed when he didn't trade the mirage known as Alfredo Simon after that lucky first half.

Red Raindog
08-04-2014, 08:34 PM
And gotten what with him?

Stanton or Trout --- tough call .... :evil:

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 08:34 PM
More than the Indians got for Masterson.
Considering Masterson has a track record of starting games going back to 2010, I doubt it.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 08:34 PM
And the Indians are running like crazy on us because Simon is paying no attention to the baserunners.

The real Alfredo Simon has finally stood up!

757690
08-04-2014, 08:36 PM
Considering Masterson has a track record of starting games going back to 2010, I doubt it.

1.5 cheap years of healthy 12 game winner >>>>> 2 months of hurt guy who sucks this year.

Marc D
08-04-2014, 08:36 PM
And the Indians are running like crazy on us because Simon is paying no attention to the baserunners.

The real Alfredo Simon has finally stood up!

sure am glad Walt didn't trade him at the deadline.

Couldn't imagine the 2015 WS run without him

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 08:36 PM
I would have flipped Simon for something useful because I'm not too attached to him, but I doubt there was much to get back (newsflash: if we all realize the first half was a mirage, so does everyone else) and so you might as well keep him and from all indications Big Bob wasn't going to allow any selling anyway.

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 08:40 PM
1.5 cheap years of healthy 12 game winner >>>>> 2 months of hurt guy who sucks this year.
615 innings of 3.86 ERA from 2011 to 2013 from Masterson. I'd say he's likely to have more potential suitors than Simon.

And so Simon is a healthy 12 game winner who is cheap for 1.5 years and other teams should give us assets for, but when the Reds have him he's a piece of useless crap who is a mirage and should have been traded weeks ago.

757690
08-04-2014, 08:40 PM
I would have flipped Simon for something useful because I'm not too attached to him, but I doubt there was much to get back (newsflash: if we all realize the first half was a mirage, so does everyone else) and so you might as well keep him and from all indications Big Bob wasn't going to allow any selling anyway.

Since the break, including tonight, Simon has pitched over a run better ERA wise than Masterson has over the whole season, and he's healthy, and cheap, and not a free agent until 2016. The Reds could have gotten a couple nice prospects or a decent LF for him easily.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 08:42 PM
I would have flipped Simon for something useful because I'm not too attached to him, but I doubt there was much to get back (newsflash: if we all realize the first half was a mirage, so does everyone else) and so you might as well keep him and from all indications Big Bob wasn't going to allow any selling anyway.

If Bob really wasn't allowing any selling, how does that jibe with the news Latos' name was being dangled in trade talks? I doubt we would have traded Latos to upgrade this year. We would have traded Latos to try and improve going into 2015. So, I don't buy the nonsense from Walt that the Reds were "buyers" and we're even thinking about selling. The Latos news contradicts what Walt said publicly.

You make a good point about Simon though. If we thought his first half was lucky, MLB GMs probably felt the same way.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 08:43 PM
sure am glad Walt didn't trade him at the deadline.

Couldn't imagine the 2015 WS run without him

Touche'.

LewGra
08-04-2014, 08:43 PM
More than the Indians got for Masterson.

Which still does nothing for us

757690
08-04-2014, 08:44 PM
615 innings of 3.86 ERA from 2011 to 2013 from Masterson. I'd say he's likely to have more potential suitors than Simon.

And so Simon is a healthy 12 game winner who is cheap for 1.5 years and other teams should give us assets for, but when the Reds have him he's a piece of useless crap who is a mirage and should have been traded weeks ago.

Simon has been a solid back of the rotation pitcher since the break, not a piece of crap. He has an ERA around 4.

And Masterson has been hurt and terrible this year and will be a free agent at the end of the year. All that matters is what he's doing now and for the next two months. He got rocked in his Card debut.

Simon >>>> Masterson, in every way.

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Which still does nothing for us

??????

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 08:46 PM
The Reds are awful this year. I don't even know why I care.

Oh yeah, because I'm addicted.

Another run. Simon says Walt pooped the bed when he didn't trade the mirage known as Alfredo Simon after that lucky first half.

only reason im watching this series is because i Hate Cleveland so much, after this im done. You'll rarely see me around here

mu4103
08-04-2014, 08:46 PM
This line-up is doing exactly what I would expect this line-up to do. I am starting to lose faith in Price's ability to draw a line-up card. The goal is not to see how many utility players you can get in a game. I know there are injuries but gee whiz...

LewGra
08-04-2014, 08:46 PM
1.5 cheap years of healthy 12 game winner >>>>> 2 months of hurt guy who sucks this year.

Doug Melvin, is that you?

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 08:47 PM
The Reds could have gotten a couple nice prospects or a decent LF for him easily.
No friggin way. Maybe a decent prospect, or an outfielder like a JB Shuck, and not much else. I would probably have offered Simon to San Diego for Headley, but I doubt that would have been of much interest to them.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 08:50 PM
George Grande is announcing and the Reds are getting crushed by the Indians (who I hate since I live in Columbus). Good times. Good freakin' times.

757690
08-04-2014, 08:54 PM
No friggin way. Maybe a decent prospect, or an outfielder like a JB Shuck, and not much else. I would probably have offered Simon to San Diego for Headley, but I doubt that would have been of much interest to them.

Agree. And that still would have been more than what the Tribe got for Masterson.

malcontent
08-04-2014, 08:56 PM
Big Pasta is going to rebound. Consider this a hiccup.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 08:57 PM
Making the All-Star team was the worst thing that could have happened to Simon (at least from the Reds' perspective). This guy isn't an All-Star. He had a lucky first half and now he's pitching like he has the rest of his career. Probably got an overinflated sense of himself after that bogus selection (which only happened b/c Cueto couldn't pitch).Didn't that happen to Volquez the year he got selected?

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 08:58 PM
The real Alfredo Simon has finally stood up!

Can we have the impostor back?

(Or the impasta, if you prefer)

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 09:00 PM
Our GM has put the team in a position where Jack Hannahan is being used as a DH. Just unbelievable.

Roster management 101 ... Walt would fail.

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Here comes a double play.

KronoRed
08-04-2014, 09:00 PM
Hi, hello everyone. It's a George Grande series...

It's Great, of course any game without Thom is awesome.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 09:01 PM
George Grande with boring stories about the Indians!

Never fails.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 09:03 PM
It's Great, of course any game without Thom is awesome.

Thom is so bad that he gets national gigs. No one wanted to hire George when the Reds dumped him.

And Thom actually cares if the Reds win.

Thom > George and it's not even close.

And I think Thom can be very annoying. But George Grande run-rules him in the annoyance department.

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 09:04 PM
George Grande with boring stories about the Indians!

Never fails.

At this point, I'm just glad that Jim Edmonds never played for them.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 09:05 PM
Why doesn't George tell old stories about the Reds? Oh, because he doesn't know many. Heck, he can't even pronounce the names of half the players on the team. Can't even pronounce "Jocketty" correctly.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 09:05 PM
Our GM has put the team in a position where Jack Hannahan is being used as a DH. Just unbelievable.

Roster management 101 ... Walt would fail.

That's on Price. He fills out the lineup card.

KronoRed
08-04-2014, 09:05 PM
Thom is so bad that he gets national gigs. No one wanted to hire George when the Reds dumped him.

And Thom actually cares if the Reds win.

Thom > George and it's not even close.

And I think Thom can be very annoying. But George Grande run-rules him in the annoyance department.
We already covered that and what actually happened.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?106228-How-happy-would-you-be-if/page3

villain612
08-04-2014, 09:06 PM
Just got home. Do I even want to watch the rest of this beatdown?

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 09:08 PM
Just got home. Do I even want to watch the rest of this beatdown?

I think you'd enjoy spending an evening watching C-SPAN more.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 09:09 PM
Just got home. Do I even want to watch the rest of this beatdown?
Well, we just won 3 of 4, so this is just an aberration. I hope.

KronoRed
08-04-2014, 09:12 PM
At least we aren't being no hit :D

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 09:17 PM
Well, we just won 3 of 4, so this is just an aberration. I hope.

no aberration. The Indians are alot better

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 09:18 PM
We already covered that and what actually happened.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?106228-How-happy-would-you-be-if/page3

What actually happened? What actually happened was the Reds brought Thom in before the 2007 season to be the main man. They slowly phased George out the next couple of years. George then announced his "retirement." It's my opinion (I admit it's my opinion) that George was basically forced out by the Reds. Now, maybe at 60, he really wanted to retire. But I certainly think it was more a case of the Reds bringing Thom in as the No. 1 guy. If George was still the No. 1 guy, I bet he never would have left. The Reds made it clear they were downsizing George's role and preferred Thom. It's my understanding this was 100 percent Bob Castellini's call. The same year he brought in Thom, he brought in Cowboy. He wanted a more "Reds" feel to the TV broadcasts (Cowboy did a lot more TV his first few years with the team, fresh off his 3-4 year stint with ESPN).

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 09:20 PM
Atta boy Jay. Is he finally learning how to hit against the shift?

villain612
08-04-2014, 09:22 PM
no aberration. The Indians are alot better

If they are a lot better than why do they have identical records?

WrongVerb
08-04-2014, 09:25 PM
I know George had a point to make about Frazier's development with Benevides and Doran coaching him, but I don't think he ever quite got there.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 09:25 PM
Mesoraco with a laser to left.

Chuckie
08-04-2014, 09:29 PM
JaloPENA!

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 09:30 PM
Woo-hoo! A run! The winning starts now!

villain612
08-04-2014, 09:31 PM
Wish Rocco could've scored on that but will take it.

Luddy's been hitting decent lately. Hope it continues

Kingspoint
08-04-2014, 09:31 PM
Wow!

Someone was actually held at 3rd Base.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 09:31 PM
Setting up Luddy to fail so Schumaker can DH again tomorrow :)

WrongVerb
08-04-2014, 09:32 PM
And gotten what with him?

Someone useful? Asdrubal Cabrera maybe?

WrongVerb
08-04-2014, 09:33 PM
Wow!

Someone was actually held at 3rd Base.

Yeah I was confused for a second as well. I don't think I've heard the phrase "Smith holds the runner at third" before.

Kingspoint
08-04-2014, 09:36 PM
Our DH has a batting average of 0.000. :laugh:

Red Raindog
08-04-2014, 09:37 PM
I think that's as hard as Jack can hit a ball

villain612
08-04-2014, 09:37 PM
Hannahan has been very Soto-esque since coming off the DL.

BCubb2003
08-04-2014, 09:38 PM
It takes a pretty good offense to leave so many runners on.

Gandalf the Red
08-04-2014, 09:41 PM
It takes a pretty good offense to leave so many runners on.

It's like a magic trick. There should be a beautiful assistant going "Ta-da!"

Redsfansince72
08-04-2014, 09:44 PM
i rather see Lutz DH than 0- for season Hannahan especially when you need a big hit and he doesnt pinch hit for him.. Come on WALT get somebody before Pittsburgh does with McCutchen going down!!!!

Redsfansince72
08-04-2014, 09:47 PM
game over.. wish this team had more clutch hitting

Kingspoint
08-04-2014, 09:47 PM
i rather see Lutz DH than 0- for season Hannahan especially when you need a big hit and he doesnt pinch hit for him.. Come on WALT get somebody before Pittsburgh does with McCutchen going down!!!!

Walt has once again turned a second half into finding other things better to do with your life than following the Cincinnati REDS. The length of the game threads are all the proof one needs.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 09:48 PM
The carriage turned into a pumpkin. Contraras fall apart. Guess with Santiago, Cozart and Hamilton up, it really doesn't matter.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 09:50 PM
But it's Lusk doubling!

Redsfansince72
08-04-2014, 09:50 PM
WTG Price, why didnt you pinch hit Lutz for zero for season Hannahan last inning????

Ironman92
08-04-2014, 09:53 PM
I had this as a doubtful win but Price gave it no chance.

Not having Ludwick (5 RBI last series) in the lineup BUT having Hannahannnahannahan, Skip and Cozart? Ridiculous

Skip is the new Stubbs


Bruce has had 3 AB that made me VERY happy...but 1 hideous. Give Billy a chance to steal!

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 09:53 PM
WTG Price, why didnt you pinch hit Lutz for zero for season Hannahan last inning????

Good question.

Ironman92
08-04-2014, 09:54 PM
WTG Price, why didnt you pinch hit Lutz for zero for season Hannahan last inning????

Really concerned about the lefty/righty....we have 3 guys in today's lineup that are so bad that matchups just don't matter

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2014, 09:55 PM
Do the Reds make more changes in the TV announcing booth then they do in making player moves, other than injuries? ..... or trades.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 09:55 PM
That doggone screen behind home plate makes it look like it's raining.

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 09:55 PM
now that teams are more aggressively pitching Hamilton, he has also really fallen off.

Ironman92
08-04-2014, 09:55 PM
Worried Simon has reached his wall. I'd give him 1 more to see and if he stinks again I'd DL him and just rest him.

WrongVerb
08-04-2014, 09:55 PM
BHam
Frazier
Votto
Mez
Bruce
DatDude
(a LF that can hit)
Cozart

*sigh*

Ironman92
08-04-2014, 09:56 PM
That doggone screen behind home plate makes it look like it's raining.

Prayers from Jackson

WrongVerb
08-04-2014, 09:57 PM
Do the Reds make more changes in the TV announcing booth then they do in making player moves, other than injuries? ..... or trades.

When you're captain of the Titanic, all you can do is rearrange the deck chairs.

Ironman92
08-04-2014, 09:57 PM
BHam
Frazier
Votto
Mez
Bruce
DatDude
(a LF that can hit)
Cozart

*sigh*

Phillips ain't batting 6th....it will hurt his feelz and Reds don't do that

KronoRed
08-04-2014, 09:58 PM
What actually happened? What actually happened was the Reds brought Thom in before the 2007 season to be the main man. They slowly phased George out the next couple of years. George then announced his "retirement." It's my opinion (I admit it's my opinion) that George was basically forced out by the Reds. Now, maybe at 60, he really wanted to retire. But I certainly think it was more a case of the Reds bringing Thom in as the No. 1 guy. If George was still the No. 1 guy, I bet he never would have left. The Reds made it clear they were downsizing George's role and preferred Thom. It's my understanding this was 100 percent Bob Castellini's call. The same year he brought in Thom, he brought in Cowboy. He wanted a more "Reds" feel to the TV broadcasts (Cowboy did a lot more TV his first few years with the team, fresh off his 3-4 year stint with ESPN).

Except that's not what happened, Thom was brought in to do the extra 45 games on tv and to replace Stewart on the radio along with Brantley, which is how it stayed until George left.
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061004&content_id=1698664&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

If the Reds wanted Grande gone that much they would have fired him, also...why is he still doing games if Bob wanted him gone so much?

Kc61
08-04-2014, 09:59 PM
Just reading through the game thread, I see that certain posters have decided that Alfredo Simon has had it as a starter, in essence. I wish I had your powers to read the future.

If, in fact, the Reds are forced to trade someone like Latos, we all may be happy they didn't trade Simon.

My guess is Simon is tired, it's a long season, lot of innings for him. I might give him a turn off, when there's an off day. He's not used to all these innings, he may just need a little rest.

Guy has been remarkable this year filling in for Latos, first, then for Cingrani.

I'm not giving up on him because he hit a rough stretch. I think he can continue to be an above average starter, but may need some rest since he hasn't done it before.

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2014, 09:59 PM
no aberration. The Indians are alot better

You like beating this drum over and over since even before this series was on the radar.

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 09:59 PM
If they are a lot better than why do they have identical records?

because they play in the AL and the Reds play in the NL

Redsfansince72
08-04-2014, 10:00 PM
i always felt George Grand was a rally killer. the Reds lose more when he is broadcasting

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 10:00 PM
Mercifully it's over. Not a very entertaining show at all.

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 10:01 PM
You like beating this drum over and over since even before this series was on the radar.

and i'm right too. I hate Cleveland more than anything, so of course im always gonna bring them up

Redsfansince72
08-04-2014, 10:02 PM
and Walt sleeps well i am sure.. has been all year and last

Tom Servo
08-04-2014, 10:02 PM
We're bad again

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2014, 10:03 PM
Just reading through the game thread, I see that certain posters have decided that Alfredo Simon has had it as a starter, in essence. I wish I had your powers to read the future.

If, in fact, the Reds are forced to trade someone like Latos, we all may be happy they didn't trade Simon.

My guess is Simon is tired, it's a long season, lot of innings for him. I might give him a turn off, when there's an off day. He's not used to all these innings, he may just need a little rest.

Guy has been remarkable this year filling in for Latos, first, then for Cingrani.

I'm not giving up on him because he hit a rough stretch. I think he can continue to be an above average starter, but may need some rest since he hasn't done it before.



People have been waiting for him to struggle or hit a wall for a while. I think his 4th or 5th start he was average and they were already calling it or asking for Latos to come back ASAP for that sole reason.

Larkin Fan
08-04-2014, 10:04 PM
If they are a lot better than why do they have identical records?

Shh, facts have no bearing on this discussion. ;)

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2014, 10:04 PM
and i'm right too. I hate Cleveland more than anything, so of course im always gonna bring them up


I cannot believe the Reds have not won a game in Cleveland in 4 years? Is this right?

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 10:05 PM
Walt works for Bob who has the purse strings. My guess is it was Bobs idea to dangle Mat, which is insane. Thank goodness no one bit on the dangle. Given the limitations of the owner, I think Walt couldn't do anything.

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2014, 10:09 PM
And the Indians are running like crazy on us because Simon is paying no attention to the baserunners.

The real Alfredo Simon has finally stood up!


You were waiting until August to finally tell us that the previous 4 months were all a mirage? You knew this before and you knew he was lucky all this time and you never said anything?

Have you ever thought about being a spy?

KronoRed
08-04-2014, 10:10 PM
I'd like to see the NL add the DH at this point.

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2014, 10:12 PM
Walt works for Bob who has the purse strings. My guess is it was Bobs idea to dangle Mat, which is insane. Thank goodness no one bit on the dangle. Given the limitations of the owner, I think Walt couldn't do anything.



For all the great things Bob C is doing..... he is starting to sound like he has a little Mike Brown/Peter Angelos in him. Loyal to a fault, refuses to see the bigger picture in regards to what is going on in regards to the team on the field. Only gives the GM enough rope.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 10:14 PM
I'd like to see the NL add the DH at this point.
Oh please no. We'd have to look at Schu or Heisey or Hannahan every night. I'd take my chances with our pitchers--same result.

KronoRed
08-04-2014, 10:15 PM
Oh please no. We'd have to look at Schu or Heisey or Hannahan every night. I'd take my chances with our pitchers--same result.

:D

My thinking is that if we had to carry a DH all of the time maybe we would carry a guy who can hit, instead of using the spot like we do now.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 10:16 PM
For all the great things Bob C is doing..... he is starting to sound like he has a little Mike Brown/Peter Angelos in him. Loyal to a fault, refuses to see the bigger picture in regards to what is going on in regards to the team on the field. Only gives the GM enough rope.
Totally agree. Like any good businessman, he's watching the bottom line. Those that love baseball and are owners tend to be more generous to win. I don't see that from Bob. Walt's history doesn't seem so sleepy.

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2014, 10:17 PM
:D

My thinking is that if we had to carry a DH all of the time maybe we would carry a guy who can hit, instead of using the spot like we do now.


YES. They would have to get a pure hitter. I do not care if it was the ghost of Orlando Cepeda or Tommy Davis. Bring in Willie Horton.

Just someone who can hit .... you can use Votto there as well once a week once he is healthy.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 10:19 PM
YES. They would have to get a pure hitter. I do not care if it was the ghost of Orlando Cepeda or Tommy Davis. Bring in Willie Horton.

Just someone who can hit .... you can use Votto there as well once a week once he is healthy.But would they?

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2014, 10:22 PM
But would they?

We may never know until the DH arrives. Walt will be long gone by then.

WVRedsFan
08-04-2014, 10:26 PM
Price- Disgusted with the effort--guys not knowing how many outs there were, a pitcher not covering first, and being lacidazical. Will meet withe team to discuss.

Isn't concerned about Simon. Good velocity and movement. Lacked control tonight.

He was hacked off.

And I can't spell lack...whatever.

Kc61
08-04-2014, 10:28 PM
LOL, Reds just can't beat the American League.

Maybe tomorrow.

Redsfansince72
08-04-2014, 10:42 PM
Price- Disgusted with the effort--guys not knowing how many outs there were, a pitcher not covering first, and being lacidazical. Will meet withe team to discuss.

Isn't concerned about Simon. Good velocity and movement. Lacked control tonight.

He was hacked off.

maybe when the team saw the lineup.. they already felt what the heck.. Hannahan, No ludwick who was HOT.. heck i would have had Ludwick in LF and Lutz DH.. since Walt isnt wanting to go find another teams player to help this team..i just wish Walt would pretend he is still a Cardinal GM and make a dang trade!!

And I can't spell lack...whatever.

Ironman92
08-04-2014, 11:26 PM
Oh please no. We'd have to look at Schu or Heisey or Hannahan every night. I'd take my chances with our pitchers--same result.

Heisey would never DH because he is one of our best fielders.

NC-Red
08-04-2014, 11:39 PM
I cannot believe the Reds have not won a game in Cleveland in 4 years? Is this right?

this is correct. The Reds do not win there, ever. It's worse than Busch Stadium

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LOL, Reds just can't beat the American League.

Maybe tomorrow.

I've said this for years now but have been laughed at. The fact is, the Reds don't matchup well with those AL bats or pitching for that matter

villain612
08-04-2014, 11:52 PM
because they play in the AL and the Reds play in the NL

The AL Central is garbage.

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Price not happy after the game


http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/video?vid=315074627702

klw
08-05-2014, 10:11 AM
Lance McAlister @LanceMcAlister · 1h

#Reds DH this year: 2 for 19 (.105). Reds pitchers this year: 28 for 221 (.127).

jordan_tm
08-05-2014, 10:40 AM
I was checking my fantasy baseball team this morning and here was a quote from rotoworld about last night's lineup:


The Reds aren't scoring with their makeshift lineup at the moment. They had Skip Schumaker in left field and Jack Hannahan at DH tonight, which suggests that they've given up entirely.

Rantly
08-05-2014, 10:53 AM
I knew Simon would fall apart in the second half of the season. Great job by our GM selling high on him. Oh wait, we were "buyers" not "sellers" I forgot.

Forget the fact that that contradicts Mat Latos' agent telling him his name was being floated in trade talks, but whatever. Yeah, we were buyers.
Maybe GM tried to deal him, do you know that he didn't for sure? Perhaps other team's GMs also thought Simon would fall apart, they may be as smart as you all.
Should have traded Simon while he still had value. Now he's just Alfredo Simon again. And that's not good.

#waltfail

RedTeamGo!
08-05-2014, 11:01 AM
The AL Central is garbage.

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Price not happy after the game


http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/video?vid=315074627702

The AL has the most talented team in baseball followed by teams with solid offenses.

RedTeamGo!
08-05-2014, 11:02 AM
I was checking my fantasy baseball team this morning and here was a quote from rotoworld about last night's lineup:

This is a good quote to show on redszone. The Reds lineup is literally a punchline for the rest of the baseball world.

Anyone defending Walt right now needs to realize that.