8/8/14 - Reds vs. Marlins

[Tom Servo]

lineup posted early today

Hamilton CF
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Mesoraco C
Pena 1B
Schumaker LF
Negron 2B
Cozart SS
Leake P

[NebraskaRed]

Schu is due...or something.

[RedTeamGo!]

Schu is due...or something.

Schu is dead. Time to put him out to pasture.

[villain612]

What's Ludwick's diagnosis for not being an everyday player anymore?

Just old?

[cumberlandreds]

Reds need to go with the hot hitters right now. Ludwick has been hitting well lately and he should be in there.

[NC-Red]

taking 2/3 in this series is imperative to keep moving forward. Can't have a lapse against a team as bad as Florida

[Ironman92]

I detest Schu getting a start after 3 consecutive games with good offensive production as he didn't play.

Skip was 1/3 off Eovaldi but his final two were whiffs.

No reason Luddy isn't playing.

I'm going tonight so hopefully Skip makes me look stupid because I want the Reds to win and don't really care how.

If Negron doesn't get 2 hits today Skip will be at 2nd tomorrow.

[Ironman92]

Why have the lineups been out early of late? Superstition by Price with good outcomes recently?

[WVRedsFan]

I'll wait for the rotten tomatoes and eggs to be thrown, but I once thought Dusty's lineups were screwy, but these are just as bad or worse. At least he has Pena at first and Todd at third. When you replace Luddy for Schu or Heisey, you usually get nothing in return. Ludwick is not what he once was, but he is miles better than those two. And before you mention defense, Heisey has an attention problem sometimes and Schumaker is simply too slow to play the outfield. Ludwick seem to get to the balls--not pretty though. I hope Schu goes 4-4, and the Reds win. I just don't understand why Ludwick, who is hitting 40 points higher, has an OBP over .300, and seems healthy is being benched every other day for less productive players.

[PepperJack]

What's Ludwick's diagnosis for not being an everyday player anymore?

Just old?


Even if he is fully healthy, the Reds have been giving him at least one out of every three games off since he got here really.

So there is very likely some hard truth to this.

[PepperJack]

Reds need to go with the hot hitters right now. Ludwick has been hitting well lately and he should be in there.


Since Ludwick has been getting regular time off, even when he was going very good in 2012, there is a case to be made that he is only playing well right now, because he is getting regular rest to stay fresh, and able to perform.

[Kc61]

As has been posted before, including in Pepper Jack's post directly above, Ludwick apparently cannot play every day.

Even in 2012, when he was healthy and critical to the team, Ludwick missed 38 games and had 472 PAs and 422 official ABs. These are less than the typical every day player would get.

Now, he's two years older and had a serious injury.

Price is obviously resting him because the club feels Ryan will do better with some rest.

This is a necessity. And in Schumaker's defense his lifetime OBP is .340 and I can understand playing him against certain righties because he has potential to get on track.

One thing that might have been done this season is to obtain a stronger lefty hitter to platoon with Ludwick for the rest of this season. Since they didn't, Skip is the left handed hitting alternative.

[Ironman92]

I just told Eovaldi to give us a few hits tonight...he laughedhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/09/upemeta8.jpg

[Larkin Fan]

Eovaldi walks BHam. Good start to the game.

[NC-Red]

this is getting comical. I dont want even Billy to try stealing anymore because teams aren't fooled for his so called strategy.

[DocRed]

Geezus BH gets picked off WAY too much.

[WrongVerb]

BHam picked off.

I can tell you I bet this is happening because he's starting to THINK about what he's doing, instead of just going. He'll get better, but I expect we're going to see some more of this as he works to become a better runner in the long run (no pun).

[DocRed]

BH may be the fastest player in baseball and simultaneously the worst baserunner in MLB...sigh.

[Ironman92]

From RF seats you could clearly see Billy's front leg going crazy and inching to 2nd.....too easy to tell

[Larkin Fan]

That front leg is BHam's biggest tell. I noticed it in his very first game and knew if I was seeing it, scouts would see it as well.

[757690]

Bad Leake showing up so far tonight.

[Ironman92]

How is the strike zone? Looks tight both ways from the seats (345 ft away)

Eovaldi was very unhappy with the BP mound

[villain612]

Leake works out of the jam again, 2 big K's there.

0-0 Mid 2nd

[villain612]

0-0 Top 4th

In other action...

Baltimore beating St Louis 5-0 in Bot 3rd

Pirates beating Padres 2-1 in Bot 3rd

Braves beating Nationals 2-0 in Top 2nd

[757690]

They should have Jim Bowden present Oester his Reds Hall of Fame Jacket ;)

Seriously, that interview with Oester makes me wonder what the Lost Decade would have been like had Oester been manager.

[Ironman92]

Bruce never saw that...I saw it off bat, glanced at Bruce and he hadn't started to move. BHam laughing at him lol

[klw]

Just coming in from a run. I see Pena left with an injury. Do we know what happened? Gameday just says "injured leg"

[KittyDuran]

Just coming in from a run. I see Pena left with an injury. Do we know what happened?

Tight hamstring.

[klw]

Tight hamstring.
thanks, how bad did it look?

[KittyDuran]

thanks, how bad did it look?

I was in a gift shop looking @ all-star game stuff so I didn't see it happen but he was taken out just for precautionary measures per Twitter...

[kbrake]

Not exactly a huge game thread going tonight. Everyone out being social on a Friday? haha

[Tadasimha]

Leake settling in - time to unsettle Eovaldi

[AmarilloRed]

First team to score wins!

[Tadasimha]

[QUOTE=kbrake;3155494]Not exactly a huge game thread going tonight. Everyone out being social on a Friday? haha[/QUOTE

Maybe they're all at the game?

[UPRedsFan]

Masterson got torched in first two innings tonight

[kbrake]

I really wish the Marlins played defense like the Indians.

[Red Raindog]

cricket guys

[NC-Red]

back to the old same terrible offense. Can't face a miserable pitching staff and defense of Cleveland everyday

[klw]

cricket guys

http://media.giphy.com/media/3eQApZr22QK7m/giphy.gif

[Tadasimha]

http://media.giphy.com/media/3eQApZr22QK7m/giphy.gif

Nice hat

[KittyDuran]

[QUOTE=kbrake;3155494]Not exactly a huge game thread going tonight. Everyone out being social on a Friday? haha[/QUOTE

Maybe they're all at the game?

Sparse crowd tonight.

[villain612]

back to the old same terrible offense. Can't face a miserable pitching staff and defense of Cleveland everyday

God, the ebb and flow of baseball really sucks

[NC-Red]

single here for the Marlins and that's ballgame. Reds offense can do absolutely nothing

[KittyDuran]

Settle down Mikey ...

[kbrake]

single here for the Marlins and that's ballgame. Reds offense can do absolutely nothing

You should really try and enjoy the game a little bit. It is quite a bit of fun.

[BCubb2003]

I'm watching Louisville in Syracuse, so I'm doing what I can.

[757690]

Fun, light hearted interview from Griffey jr. Nice to see him bounce back after horrendous ESPN interview.

[NC-Red]

i dont see where people think Hamilton has a strong arm? he just had a chance to gather and fire one home from a shorter distance and the runner easily beat it

[Tadasimha]

i dont see where people think Hamilton has a strong arm? he just had a chance to gather and fire one home from a shorter distance and the runner easily beat it

Why are you still here? Marlins just scored and according to you the games is over!

[RedsManRick]

If Mes comes in to get that throw instead of backing up it seems he might have had a play.

[toledodan]

i dont see where people think Hamilton has a strong arm? he just had a chance to gather and fire one home from a shorter distance and the runner easily beat it

You're joking right? He's thrown out enough runners this year. His arm is plenty strong.

[kbrake]

I think I have possibly been the biggest supporter of Price on here so far but the bullpen has gotten plenty of rest and with the offense struggling there is no way Leake should be hitting right now.

[NC-Red]

Why are you still here? Marlins just scored and according to you the games is over!

i said if the Marlins got a SINGLE when the bases were loaded but only got a sac fly when they could have got 2 or more runs

[powersackers]

Eovaldi might look worse than any pitcher batting I've ever seen. But he's doing his primary job tonight.

[NC-Red]

Mesoraco really needs to break out of this mini slump he's been on and nows the time

[NC-Red]

dang Mesoraco is all out of sorts at the plate right now

[toledodan]

Somebody say Stanton defense not good?

[AmarilloRed]

I thought we almost had a rally there.

[klw]

You're joking right? He's thrown out enough runners this year. His arm is plenty strong.

6 assists this year. Tied for 2nd most for NL CF's this year.

[kbrake]

That one is on Price. No reason to send Leake back out there.

[WrongVerb]

Leake dropped a nice F-bomb (or at least that's how I read his lips)

[toledodan]

Price should have never sent leake to hit last inning. Stanton just hit one that might land on us bank arena.

[PepperJack]

That one is on Price. No reason to send Leake back out there.

No, no it's not.

Leake cruised that inning except one pitch, and he has kept Stanton down about as well as anybody has so far.

[NC-Red]

This is all on the offense, not on Leake, not on Price.

[Larkin Fan]

6 assists this year. Tied for 2nd most for NL CF's this year.

Yep, obviously horrible.

[Patrick Bateman]

Stanton could probably just as well have hit a home run against Contreras or whatever.

Let's not pretend Stanton is me here.

[Larkin Fan]

i dont see where people think Hamilton has a strong arm? he just had a chance to gather and fire one home from a shorter distance and the runner easily beat it

I thought you said you were going to go away after the Indians series?

[Redsfansince72]

oh yea.. o-fer hannahan waiting to bat..:(

[kbrake]

No, no it's not.

Leake cruised that inning except one pitch, and he has kept Stanton down about as well as anybody has so far.

With the offense struggling and the bullpen very rested you can't have your pitcher lead off the 6th inning. You have to try to find some offense.

[Redsfansince72]

i hope Walt is VERY much trying to get a hitter before we waste more good starting pitching...

[WVRedsFan]

"If Cozart can get on, the Reds will pinch hit with Hannahan." - Jimm Kelch.

Bet they're just shaking in their boots. :)

[NC-Red]

turning this crap off, what a boring game. if we miraculously come back great but very doubtful.

[Tadasimha]

turning this crap off, what a boring game. if we miraculously come back great but very doubtful.


http://youtu.be/PVrEwCa8nSA

[kbrake]

turning this crap off, what a boring game. if we miraculously come back great but very doubtful.

Cool dude.

[PepperJack]

With the offense struggling and the bullpen very rested you can't have your pitcher lead off the 6th inning. You have to try to find some offense.

I'm willing to bet that Price has about 2, maybe 3 guys in that bullpen he trusts, and depending on availability, he likely thought it was too soon to go to them.

As for bringing in a pinch hitter, the options aren't overflowing there either right now. They're even thinner with already having to replace Pena.

[Redsfansince72]

the most quality starts in the NL and not in 1st.. Hello Walt.. more Offense help please...

[WrongVerb]

turning this crap off, what a boring game. if we miraculously come back great but very doubtful.

It's almost like the Marlins are also a major league baseball team and Eovaldi a good pitcher, or something.

[Larkin Fan]

turning this crap off, what a boring game. if we miraculously come back great but very doubtful.
We're devastated. Or not...

[klw]

Meanwhile St. Louis trails Baltimore 12-0.

[DocRed]

Seriously Hanahan?

[powersackers]

Joke

[WrongVerb]

Eovaldi - 8 innings, 105 pitches, hits 99 on the gun. :eek:

[kbrake]

Joke

He kind of has good stuff tonight. When Cueto, Latos, or Bailey dominate a team is it always the other team is a joke or do big league pitchers just sometimes dominate. He's throwing high 90's with movement and has one hell of a breaking ball tonight.

I know this offense has been frustrating this season but give this guy some credit he has been very good tonight.

[Ironman92]

These seats are crazy....literally 8 feet from them warming up....I swear he threw 60+ pitches in the pen warming up

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/09/za3agave.jpg

[WrongVerb]

In a close game where you don't want to give up any runs, JJ Hoover isn't the first choice of mine.

Or second
Or third
Or fourth
Or fifth
Or sixth

WTH?

[toledodan]

Well atleast Hoover should only pitch one inning tonight

[Redsfansince72]

Hoover does not deserve to be on this team just like Hannahan

[DocRed]

Just when I thought this offense has life..Euvaldi shows us how terrible this offense is.

[Roy Tucker]

Target practice on Hoover.

[Redsfansince72]

Just when I thought this offense has life..Euvaldi shows us how terrible this offense is.

I wish WALT would admit this..!!!

[DocRed]

JJ Hoover must have the same pictures on Price that Schumacher has..

[Ironman92]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/09/rasahybe.jpg

Their closer warming up...nasty 6'6 and drops down. He talked to us. Good guy.

[Roy Tucker]

Price uses Chapstick.

[WVRedsFan]

Sitting here in a hotel room in Asheboro, NC and I jump for joy when I find the Reds are on the cable system here. Then this game. I don't know whether to cry or laugh at the irony :)

[kbrake]

I wish WALT would admit this..!!!

So you're happy with Walt or no?

[Roy Tucker]

Crowd gets revved up for pizza.

[Redsfansince72]

So you're happy with Walt or no?

nope.. he needs to get this team to the next level.. i fear he does nothing they get lucky for a 1 game playoff and loose 1-0

[Tadasimha]

Whoo!

[WVRedsFan]

All is forgiven when you get the strikeout for pizza.

[Larkin Fan]

Hey, at least the fans get free pizza.

[Roy Tucker]

Free pizza last night and tonight.

Big weekend for LaRosas.

[Ironman92]

Hey, at least the fans get free pizza.

3 for me

3rd time this year in 5 games

[Redsfansince72]

lets go offense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Roy Tucker]

Shades of Ted Abernathy.

[Tadasimha]

here we go!

Lead-off double for Frazier

[Redsfansince72]

way to start it Frazier!!!

[WVRedsFan]

Frazier does his part.

[toledodan]

Rocco!

[Redsfansince72]

way to go Mez!!

[WVRedsFan]

Rocco due 0-11 lately. He comes through with a double. Now we need a base hit

[Larkin Fan]

This game ain't over yet.

[Tadasimha]

Mes! Delivers a run on a double of his own.

[toledodan]

What to do now?

[Redsfansince72]

noo let him hit!!

[WVRedsFan]

Bunt????

[Larkin Fan]

What to do now?

Anything but bunt.

[WVRedsFan]

Dusty lives

[Roy Tucker]

Not a fan of that bunt.

[kbrake]

With Mesoraco running and Santiago and Schumaker coming up I can understand the bunt.

[Redsfansince72]

i would have let him swing the bat.. cozart yea bunt not Santiago

[toledodan]

No problem with the bunt. Counting on a hit from Santiago or Skippy isn't good odds

[SirFelixCat]

Dusty Price....why?!?

[WVRedsFan]

Good Lord

[Roy Tucker]

Because of that.

[Redsfansince72]

THATS why i would not have bunted

[toledodan]

Ugh

[Playadlc]

Schumaker flat out sucks.

[DocRed]

Nice job Skippie!

[SirFelixCat]

He didn't score?!?

[Redsfansince72]

Santiago hitting .300 with men in scoring position.. i take my chances with none out

[Tadasimha]

Just a base hit, Kris

[toledodan]

That would be an out either way

[mikdavrut]

Hate, hate, HATE the bunt...uggghhhh...

[Redsfansince72]

come on Negron!!

[Roy Tucker]

Outs are precious.

[kbrake]

Would much rather see a PH than Cozart.

[PuffyPig]

Santiago hitting .300 with men in scoring position.. i take my chances with none out

You do understand that that is based on a small sample size and he still sucks big time as a hitter.

[Cedric]

Get some guts and bench Cozart.

[WVRedsFan]

Guy is serving up batting practice and you bunt? Give up an out? No.

[Redsfansince72]

please pinch hit for COZART!!! i dont weant him to pop out making the last out..GRRR

[Larkin Fan]

It all comes down to Cozart. That's more than enough of a reason not to bunt...

[SirFelixCat]

Let. Negron steal?

[toledodan]

Negron walks. Cozart hopefully got a hit in him

[Playadlc]

Every pitch being away doesn't bode well for Cozart.

[50YrRedsFan]

Anything but bunt.
The Reds can't hit if they are not given the chance. Bad call by Price there:thumbdown:

[SirFelixCat]

Here comes everything away

[Redsfansince72]

GOD i cant stand Cozart!!!

[toledodan]

Cozart sucks

[Larkin Fan]

And that's why bunting is stupid.

[WVRedsFan]

Zach does what Zach does

[kbrake]

With the game on the line the Reds had Santiago, Schumaker, Negron, Cozart to work with. That won't win many ball games.

[DocRed]

Blame Price.......

[Playadlc]

Cozart and Schumaker hitting back-to-back is just not good.

[Redsfansince72]

With the game on the line the Reds had Santiago, Schumaker, Negron, Cozart to work with. That won't win many ball games.

To bad Walt cant see tbhis....

[toledodan]

Nothing wrong with that bunt. Skip didn't do his job.

[Roy Tucker]

A guy gives up back to back doubles and you give him an out. Why?

Make him pitch.

[50YrRedsFan]

Blame Price.......
I do that time...no reason to bunt and give away an out.

[kbrake]

To bad Walt cant see tbhis....

I'm sure he can but I'm also sure he isn't going to make awful trades to fix it. They need to hang tight until Votto and BP get back.

[DocRed]

I laugh at people that think Price is better than Dusty.....

[WVRedsFan]

Double-double-bunt-gound ball on the infield-strikeout. Reds baseball. Very disappointing strategy.

[Redsfansince72]

another wasted starting pitching performance..

[Gandalf the Red]

And God said to Moses, "Finally, I say unto ye, my eleventh and greatest commandment: Thou shalt not send thy MVP candidate to the plate to bunt, lest ye lose thou thy game and incur the wrath of Redszone."

[powersackers]

He kind of has good stuff tonight. When Cueto, Latos, or Bailey dominate a team is it always the other team is a joke or do big league pitchers just sometimes dominate. He's throwing high 90's with movement and has one hell of a breaking ball tonight.

I know this offense has been frustrating this season but give this guy some credit he has been very good tonight.
Meant Hanahan being on a major league roster right now.

[Redsfansince72]

I'm sure he can but I'm also sure he isn't going to make awful trades to fix it. They need to hang tight until Votto and BP get back.

Thats what the teams in front of the Reds hope they do.. stand pat and not make the playoffs..

[757690]

NM.

[Patrick Bateman]

With the game on the line the Reds had Santiago, Schumaker, Negron, Cozart to work with. That won't win many ball games.

Basically agreed.

Bunt or not, we were talking about a collection of terrible hitters. I probably wouldn't have bunted, but I get it, especially with a slow runner. Getting an extra opportunity to single wouldn't necessarily score Mes from 2nd either.

At the end of the day, the hitters sucked no matter what strategy implemented.

[50YrRedsFan]

Another chance to gain on some of the leaders blown.

[kbrake]

Meant Hanahan being on a major league roster right now.

Fair enough.

[RedWilly]

All Santiago had to do was pull the ball. The pitcher was not a K machine. A GB or long fly ball thats pulled is the same as the bunt with a chance to NOT give up an out. That was such an obvious decision blown its scary.

[JMO]

Horrible strategy to bunt. Reds give another away. Letting a tired Leake up at 115 pitches to face Stanton was dumb as well.

[Redsfansince72]

why didnt Ludwick hit for Cozart? i would have

[Ironman92]

Disgusting that Ludwick didn't hit but Hannahannnahannahan did, then did Cozart....awful

[757690]

With the game on the line the Reds had Santiago, Schumaker, Negron, Cozart to work with. That won't win many ball games.

Cishek had nothing today. Even the ball Schumaker hit was hit hard. Santiago has a .324 OBP. Negron has been in the grove. Schumaker is a lefty. Without a bunt, a like the Reds chances there.

[Patrick Bateman]

All Santiago had to do was pull the ball. The pitcher was not a K machine. A GB or long fly ball thats pulled is the same as the bunt with a chance to NOT give up an out. That was such an obvious decision blown its scary.

Cishek is the 21st best person in the world currently at striking people out.

[Ironman92]

Horrible strategy to bunt. Reds give another away. Letting a tired Leake up at 115 pitches to face Stanton was dumb as well.

But then he got the guy out who hit him twice already.

Tip your hat to Stanton

[Reds Freak]

I don't hate a bunt there. I hate Schumacher ramming the first pitch into the ground when you need a fly ball (although we're overlooking how good of a play the Marlins SS made there). I hate Cozart hitting and not Ludwick, Heisey or Lutz.

[kbrake]

Cishek had nothing today. Even the ball Schumaker hit was hit hard. Santiago has a .324 OBP. Negron has been in the grove. Schumaker is a lefty. Without a bunt, a like the Reds chances there.

I agree if someone I think scores on a single is running. I think it takes two hits. FanGraphs said the bunt lowered Reds chance to win by 2.4%. Redszone acting like it lowered chance to win by 83%.

[Roy Tucker]

Leo Cardenas was my favorite as a kid.

[kbrake]

As frustrating as the game was tonight I love what this franchise has become under Castellini. I absolutely love nights like this where they honor the history and tradition of the Reds.

[Roy Tucker]

Jeez. I remember when all these guys were young.

[RedWilly]

I agree if someone I think scores on a single is running. I think it takes two hits. FanGraphs said the bunt lowered Reds chance to win by 2.4%. Redszone acting like it lowered chance to win by 83%.

from what to what please?

[Krawhitham]

Where is Larkin?

[757690]

I agree if someone I think scores on a single is running. I think it takes two hits. FanGraphs said the bunt lowered Reds chance to win by 2.4%. Redszone acting like it lowered chance to win by 83%.

I'm not a big fan of those runs expectancy charts, but I agree we tend to over-react to a managers decisions. Usually, they are very close to 50-50 propositions. That said, I hate the bunt there ;)

[Roy Tucker]

Nice tribute to Bernie Stowe.

[kbrake]

from what to what please?

I honestly don't know saw someone on Twitter ripping the bunt saying that it lowered their chance to win by 2.4% I didn't think that justified the increase in blood pressure but that's just me.

[Redsfansince72]

that was awesome too see all the legends and Bernie.. nice tribute :)

[RedWilly]

I honestly don't know saw someone on Twitter ripping the bunt saying that it lowered their chance to win by 2.4% I didn't think that justified the increase in blood pressure but that's just me.

Thats cool - I just ask bc percentages can be tricky. If it took their win % from 4.8% to 2.4% it essentially cut their chances to win in half. If it took it from 100% to 97.6% then it truly lowered it by 2.4%

Those are the two extremes but I bet its closer to the lower numbers than the higher numbers in this case.

[kbrake]

Thats cool - I just ask bc percentages can be tricky. If it took their win % from 4.8% to 2.4% it essentially cut their chances to win in half. If it took it from 100% to 97.6% then it truly lowered it by 2.4%

Those are the two extremes but I bet its closer to the lower numbers than the higher numbers in this case.

If I had to guess it went from something like 35% to 33% but that is pure guessing.

[Roy Tucker]

Been some ball players that have worn the wishbone C.

I like being a fan of a team with such a deep and rich history.

[WVRedsFan]

As elated as I was to find the game in an obscure place in NC, and as disgusted as I was to see the game play out, the HOF ceremony was so special. I watched all of those guys play and it was a shock to see Jimmy O'Toole and others walking with a cane and see that they've aged--I'll always remember them as running the field and hitting or pitching the ball. Makes you realize that life is so short and enjoy it as it happens.

[Ironman92]

Heck with the game

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/09/pavaru6u.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/09/ary4epud.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/09/ze8ygeqa.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/09/9emy4ygu.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/09/ze5usepy.jpg

[WVRedsFan]

Been some ball players that have worn the wishbone C.

I like being a fan of a team with such a deep and rich history.It's been a 53-year ride for me, and I love the Reds so much. Seeing half the Reds 1961 rotation (only Jay and Purkey (RIP) missing. Seeing Junior come back to cheers. Tough to keep your composure in this motel room.

[Ironman92]

Cishek had nothing today. Even the ball Schumaker hit was hit hard. Santiago has a .324 OBP. Negron has been in the grove. Schumaker is a lefty. Without a bunt, a like the Reds chances there.

You've got to be flipping kidding me. schumaker's ball landed 2 feet in front of the plate and the second hop was 20 feet past the mound....SS had to go to his left and catch a short hop on his side.......and you say that was hit hard but you ripped on Heisey last night on a ball he hit much harder off of a guy that fanned 3 of the next 4 hitters.

[oneupper]

Using one of the calculators available.
WE: man on second none out, down by 1: 42.3%
WE: man on third one out, down by 1: 40.4%

No, it's not a big difference, but you have to consider other factors such as: who is running, who's coming up to bat, what's the outlook for extra innings, etc.
And of course, the 1.9% loss in WE is only valid if the bunt is executed correctly and aside from an error or other misplay, it is the best possible outcome.
A failed bunt, for example, brings the WE down to 27.8%. The average success rate for a bunt is around 70%, but its probably higher in situations like this where the fielding team is likely to go to first with the throw.
So by attempting the bunt you are basically pretty much giving up WE, no matter what. It's a losing strategy.

Not a fan.

[757690]

You've got to be flipping kidding me. schumaker's ball landed 2 feet in front of the plate and the second hop was 20 feet past the mound....SS had to go to his left and catch a short hop on his side.......and you say that was hit hard but you ripped on Heisey last night on a ball he hit much harder off of a guy that fanned 3 of the next 4 hitters.

They both were hit equally hard. Both were dumb forest pitch swings, given the situation. Though I'm flattered you actually remembered something I said in a previous game thread. I say so many dumb things, I forget most of them ;)

[Tadasimha]

They both were hit equally hard. Both were dumb forest pitch swings, given the situation. Though I'm flattered you actually remembered something I said in a previous game thread. I say so many dumb things, I forget most of them ;)

"forest pitch"?

[757690]

Stupid auto correct. "First pitch". Thx

[Ironman92]

They both were hit equally hard. Both were dumb forest pitch swings, given the situation. Though I'm flattered you actually remembered something I said in a previous game thread. I say so many dumb things, I forget most of them ;)

Not a big fan of both of them hitting the 1st pitch....but Heisey's ball was fielded 20 feet deeper on 1 hop than Skip's was fielded after it's 2nd hop. Skip's ball hit the dirt 2 feet in front of the plate and took more than twice as long to get to the mitt of the SS even though it was closer.

Neither ball was overly hard hit. Sorry I'm being a butt munch.