8/12/14 - Reds vs Sox

[villain612]

Hamilton CF
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Mesoraco C
Pena 1B
Heisey LF
Santiago 2B
Cozart SS
Latos P

[klw]

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[CySeymour]

Gotta think Hamilton is really gonna want to bunt the ball toward Ortiz a couple of times tonight.

[powersackers]

I think this is Ortiz ' s 4th start at first all season.

[Ironman92]

With Heisey playing Ortiz better be prepared for a couple high flys a few steps onto the grass.

[Ironman92]

Brock Holt is the fun young player to watch.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds with 2 walks to start the bottom of 1......Frazier up.

[malcontent]

Every start Heisey makes in LF is an indictment of Jocketty, IMO.

[Red Raindog]

typical ToddFather base hit -- butt going one way arms another --- single drives in a run

[klw]

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/85033-08122014-scouting-latos/#entry5584690
Here is the SOSH thread. It is titled "Scouting Latos"

[SlimJim11]

Good thing for us that throw from center was terrible. Anything halfway decent probably has Bruce by a decent margin.

[Kc61]

Good thing for us that throw from center was terrible. Anything halfway decent probably has Bruce by a decent margin.

I guess the Reds would say, that's why we're aggressive, lots of times the throw isn't that great.

Full count on Heisey with man on third.

[Tom Servo]

2-0 Redlegs after 1.

[Kc61]

Heisey called out on strikes.

I would have called for Heisey to bunt for a base hit there.

[SlimJim11]

I guess the Reds would say, that's why we're aggressive, lots of times the throw isn't that great.



We were due for a really bad throw at some point right!

[Kc61]

We were due for a really bad throw at some point right!

Exactly.

Law of averages.

[Ironman92]

Need mor runz

[Ironman92]

Curve ball Chris

[Ironman92]

Huge pitch count and Pena and Cozart have both hit 1st pitch double plays....

[toledodan]

What I take from that inning.. heisey is awful and cozart is very slow.

[malcontent]

Phillips will be back before too long and Santiago and Negron have filled in at 2B competently, but Jocketty's inability/unwillingness to do anything about LF and 1B is (slowly) burying this team.

[Ironman92]

Cozart + Pena = 10 pitches seen and made 6 outs

[Ironman92]

Red Sox will likely hit Leake tomorrow

[Ironman92]

Leake taking Homer's spot tomorrow and already top 10 in MLB inning pitched to start the day.

[MrRedLegger]

Watching the Boston broadcast...even the announcers admit they have to think hard to remember that the Sox lost the '75 series. Made me chuckle

[BluegrassRedleg]

Listening to the Boston audio tonight. They've been extremely complimentary of Cincinnati, GABP & the Reds HoF, the riverfront and downtown area. Said it's the best they've been to among the NL river cities they've visited.

[BCubb2003]

Anybody having trouble with MLB constantly buffering tonight?

[Tom Servo]

I remember thinking in 2009 that at age 33 with his .238 BA and .794 OPS that Ortiz was about to decline rapidly. Shows what the hell I know.

[Kc61]

One out, none on for the Reds up 2-0 in the sixth.

Mesoraco up.

If I'm Boston, I give him an intentional pass.

[Kc61]

Like I said.

[Tom Servo]

Rocco 3-3. This freakin guy...

[Ironman92]

That ball exploded off the bat.

[Kc61]

That ball exploded off the bat.

As a Reds fan, you're just not used to seeing hitting, LOL.

[Ironman92]

As a Reds fan, you're just not used to seeing hitting, LOL.

Yeah...I get you. But I watch a ridiculous amount of baseball and that ball jumped off that bat so hard.

[Ironman92]

Meso rocking

[Kc61]

Yeah...I get you. But I watch a ridiculous amount of baseball and that ball jumped off that bat so hard.

What's impressive about Mes is that he has so little "protection" in the lineup. Still he's been hot almost all season long.

[Tom Servo]

double and a single and the Sox cut the lead in half.

[Kingspoint]

Price let Latos go an extra batter or two last time, depending upon who you ask. I'm guessing he tries to get him through the 8th this time.

[DocRed]

Who let all the Looser Red Sox fans in the ballpark? Yeesh...

[toledodan]

Who let all the Looser Red Sox fans in the ballpark? Yeesh...

#bandwagon

[Kc61]

Always have to watch Latos late in ballgames, almost regardless of pitch count.

Still, he should be able to get through seven innings ok. 2-1 ballgame with Bosox threatening.

Need two more outs from you, Mat.

[Kc61]

Price let Latos go an extra batter or two last time, depending upon who you ask. I'm guessing he tries to get him through the 8th this time.

Let Mat get out of the seventh, IMO, then go to the late inning relievers.

[toledodan]

Let Mat get out of the seventh, IMO, then go to the late inning relievers.

Yep can't lose this game

[NC-Red]

get Latos out after this inning, not fooling anybody anymore

[toledodan]

Middlebrooks just missed

[Kc61]

Yep can't lose this game

Yeah, but I'd rather avoid using three relievers to close it out.

Seventh inning relievers aren't sure things.

I'd stick with Mat here. Just this inning, though.

[Ironman92]

I'd walk Napoli....zero thoughts

[Ironman92]

Still wanting to walk him

[toledodan]

Good 7 innings Matt. Let the pen finish it

[Ironman92]

Big time pitch....Surprised Napoli bit

[Roy Tucker]

Big k.

[Kc61]

Reds need this win, many of the competitors are losing tonight although a lot of close games. A win and they can pick up some ground.

[Ironman92]

Insurance pls

[Ironman92]

Bullpen game now

[Roy Tucker]

Pitching is saving this club in 2014.

[Kc61]

Schumaker pinch hitting, resulting in a pitching change by the Bosox.

[kbrake]

Bringing in a lefty to face Schumaker with 2 outs and no one on, can't over manage much more than that.

[Ironman92]

Looking to make it 5 straight wins when Skip DOESNT start. 3 straight losses when he does

...not that I'm keeping track

[Roy Tucker]

Schumaker just really hasn't done much for this club.

[Ironman92]

Schumaker just really hasn't done much for this club.

Provides ample grit

[Kc61]

Pirates lead Tigers 4-2 in the sixth. Pirates may be the toughest of the WC competitors right now.

Braves trail Dodgers 3-2 in the eighth. Reds should be able to beat out Braves in WC, Braves not playing well, tough sched.

Cards trail Marlins 3-0 in the eighth, Cards struggling but Reds need to beat them head to head.

Brewers down 2-0 to Cubs in the fifth, Brewers will be tough to catch.

Giants playing Chisox later on, facing tough Sale, Giants generally easy schedule going forward.

[Tom Servo]

I do not like Brock Holt.

[Ironman92]

I do not like Brock Holt.

Why?

[Roy Tucker]

Provides ample grit

I'll go to Lowes and get some P60 sandpaper.

[Tom Servo]

Why?
He has a dumb name and has been pesky tonight.

[Ironman92]

I do not like Brock Holt.

Kid came up for Pedroia injury, played so well when Pedroia came back they put him in LF and made an incredible catch first time ever playing OF....went to CF, RF, 3B, SS and even 1st base

I don't know the kid, but would like to have him.

[Roy Tucker]

The Reds won game 7 of the '75 WS? Gosh.

[Ironman92]

I'll go to Lowes and get some P60 sandpaper.

Maybe if you go in a week or so he'll be there to assist you

[Ironman92]

Do NOT throw him down and in!!!!!!!

[Roy Tucker]

Pena plays 1B like a catcher.

[villain612]

Just made it home.

Great play by Pena

[toledodan]

Nice play Pena. I would have fallen down lol

[Kc61]

You might want to pitch carefully to HR Derby man.

[KronoRed]

Crap.

[Tom Servo]

Cespedes...

[Ironman92]

I might get thrown off of here.

[toledodan]

Broxton should get a save here

[DocRed]

Meat pitch....you could feel that coming after the brushback pitch.

[villain612]

Jesus.

[Kc61]

Terrible pitching, terrible coaching, terrible managing.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Team That Tried at Deadline 3
Woozy Walts 2

[NC-Red]

Boston just owns Cincinnati lately. Broxton also seems like he has been real bad in 1 run games but you figured they would come back and win for how bad the Cincinnati offense is

[Tom Servo]

Probably should have brought in our Cuban to face their Cuban.

[Roy Tucker]

When that first pitch to Cespedes buzzed him, I thought that's either going to intimidate him or piss him off

[toledodan]

Or a loss

[Tom Servo]

When that first pitch to Cespedes buzzed him, I thought that's either going to intimidate him or piss him off
I recall the same thing happened to us earlier this season with Puig.

[DocRed]

I wish Broxton hasn't been so good this year....so I could properly bash him for that.

[Ironman92]

When you sail a ball at a big hitter's noggin (intentional or not)....you just woke him up, he's ticked and ready to show you. They do it time and time again. If you throw that pitch you CANNOT follow it with a fastball, especially there. Throw anything else...anything.

Enjoy the crappy side of a very high Sportscenter highlight.

Terrible.

[kbrake]

Terrible pitching, terrible coaching, terrible managing.

What did Price screw up there?

[RedsLvr]

Terrible pitching, terrible coaching, terrible managing.

Yeah I too hate it when this terrible pitching give up 3 whole runs in a game. They're an embarrassment. Same with that horrible rookie manager sitting in the dugout who only has them slightly over .500 after losing half of his starters for extended periods of time. TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE.

..or maybe you're over exaggerating just a bit.

[NC-Red]

also it's very sad that there are that many Boston fans in that stadium. they sound louder than the Reds fans

[toledodan]

Better get the run back in the 8th

[Kc61]

What did Price screw up there?

As I posted before the HR, you cannot let Cespedes beat you there. He's clearly the HR threat.

Either you walk him or you go signal to the pitcher to give him absolutely nothing to hit.

It's possible he did and Brox just didn't execute, but Jonathan didn't seem to be pitching around him.

[Roy Tucker]

Belt high fastball. Kaboom.

[Ironman92]

When that first pitch to Cespedes buzzed him, I thought that's either going to intimidate him or piss him off

It rarely intimidates the guys from the islands....fiery and focused guys.

[kbrake]

As I posted before the HR, you cannot let Cespedes beat you there. He's clearly the HR threat.

Either you walk him or you go signal to the pitcher to give him absolutely nothing to hit.

It's possible he did and Brox just didn't execute, but Jonathan didn't seem to be pitching around him.

The only thing dumber than throwing a fastball right down the middle of the plate would have been to intentionally put the go ahead run on base. Broxton didn't execute.

[Kc61]

Yeah I too hate it when this terrible pitching give up 3 whole runs in a game. They're an embarrassment. Same with that horrible rookie manager sitting in the dugout who only has them slightly over .500 after losing half of his starters for extended periods of time. TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE.

..or maybe you're over exaggerating just a bit.

Not a bit.

The game was given away there, unless the Reds can start scoring.

You cannot let Cespedes, who can hit one out of Yellowstone, beat you.

I'm sick and tired of the injury excuses. Reds fans are satisfied with anything. Game was given away there by the pitcher and the manager.

[Big Klu]

Team That Tried at Deadline 3
Woozy Walts 2

The team that tried what at the deadline?

If the Reds had followed Boston's plan at the deadline, they would have traded Cueto, Latos, and Bailey.

[Roy Tucker]

Bosox have an even more old-timely font than the Reds.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Just a season full of pissed-away win opportunities and one-run losses. :(

One-run loss #27 likely, by far "tops" in the Majors.

[Ironman92]

This is not injuries or managing....this was THE worst pitch to the most focused set of eyes the entire night.

Let's find a way.

[BluegrassRedleg]

The team that tried what at the deadline?

If the Reds had followed Boston's plan at the deadline, they would have traded Cueto, Latos, and Bailey.

Didn't say *when* they were trying to improve. It's for their future. And a pretty solid move.

Better than doing nothing and losing your guys for nothing later on (like the Reds will amost certainly do with one or two of those guys you mentioned).

[RedsLvr]

Not a bit.

The game was given away there, unless the Reds can start scoring.

You cannot let Cespedes, who can hit one out of Yellowstone, beat you.

I'm sick and tired of the injury excuses. Reds fans are satisfied with anything. Game was given away there by the pitcher and the manager.

Reds fans aren't satisfied with anything. However, the large majority of reds fans are happy that Broxton had an ERA of 1.07 after 42 innings going into this outing. Most reds fans are also realists and understand that an ERA of 0.00 is impossible and that sometimes mistake pitches are made and that it's unreasonable to bash the pitcher and managers when the mistake pitches do happen.

[Kc61]

This is not injuries or managing....this was THE worst pitch to the most focused set of eyes the entire night.

Let's find a way.

Not letting it go by these posts excusing Price.

Even Reds announcers said earlier in the inning, these are the four Red Sox hitters who can beat you.

Two outs. First base open. Just walk Cespedes or instruct Brox to pitch around him.

Just inconceivable you pitch to him, particularly at GABP. Guy can probably hit the ball 600 feet. Just terrible.

[kbrake]

Didn't say *when* they were trying to improve. It's for their future. And a pretty solid move.

Better than doing nothing and losing your guys for nothing later on (like the Reds will amost certainly do with one or two of those guys you mentioned).

They will get draft picks for the guys if they walk and they will have a shot at winning a World Series. So those things wouldn't suck.

[villain612]

Didn't say *when* they were trying to improve. It's for their future. And a pretty solid move.

Better than doing nothing and losing your guys for nothing later on (like the Reds will amost certainly do with one or two of those guys you mentioned).

Boston also has $50 million more in payroll to work with each year.

Tough to compare how they put their roster together IMO.

[Roy Tucker]

I thought they said this new pitchers name was Bohica.

Which is what just happened to the Reds.

[Redsfansince72]

my 2 questions to PRice

1) when you pinch hit Shumaker and they brought in a lefty, Why didnt you then bring in Ludwick to bat for Shumaker???

2) Why didnt you walk Cespedes to get to Nava??

I doubt any beat writer even asks those questions!!

[BluegrassRedleg]

I'm just frustrated. We have a lot of pseudo-Sawx and Yankee "fans" in our area, and I'm tired of losing to these people even when they suck.

When Boston and NY were good, that's one thing. They stink now, and they still own our ass. :angry:

[Tom Servo]

my 2 questions to PRice

1) when you pinch hit Shumaker and they brought in a lefty, Why didnt you then bring in Ludwick to bat for Shumaker???

2) Why didnt you walk Cespedes to get to Nava??

I doubt any beat writer even asks those questions!!
They actually do tend to ask such questions, but Redszoners don't bother to check that they did and just assume they didn't.

[toledodan]

The reds flat can't hit. We can blame price or any random person we want. Can't score can't win. 5 hits tonight

[kbrake]

Not letting it go by these posts excusing Price.

Even Reds announcers said earlier in the inning, these are the four Red Sox hitters who can beat you.

Two outs. First base open. Just walk Cespedes or instruct Brox to pitch around him.

Just inconceivable you pitch to him, particularly at GABP. Guy can probably hit the ball 600 feet. Just terrible.

Well if Jeff Brantley said it I guess we can end the conversation.

You don't put the go ahead run on base. Especially when it is a .745 OPS bat. Wily Mo Pena hit for a ton of power doesn't mean you put him on in that spot.

[villain612]

Mesoraco was pressing for the HR there. Crap.

[Tom Servo]

The reds flat can't hit. We can blame price or any random person we want. Can't score can't win. 5 hits tonight
Pretty much a team effort. Terrible pitch by Broxton, total lack of offense since the first. Only Latos is off the hook.

[NC-Red]

one day the Reds will be as clutch as Boston and have a lineup full of actual hitters, one day...................................

[WrongVerb]

Bruce JUUUUUST missed one. Mez JUUUUST missed two. Damn.

[Kc61]

The reds flat can't hit. We can blame price or any random person we want. Can't score can't win. 5 hits tonight

Price hardly is a random person.

I'm not an I told you so person. But if I knew (as I posted) to pitch carefully to Cespedes the manager of the team, his pitching coach, and the pitcher should know it.

Sorry, this game is a gift to the Red Sox, wrapped up with a bow on it.

[villain612]

one day the Reds will be as clutch as Boston and have a lineup full of actual hitters, one day...................................

When they move to the AL?

[Ironman92]

Not letting it go by these posts excusing Price.

Even Reds announcers said earlier in the inning, these are the four Red Sox hitters who can beat you.

Two outs. First base open. Just walk Cespedes or instruct Brox to pitch around him.

Just inconceivable you pitch to him, particularly at GABP. Guy can probably hit the ball 600 feet. Just terrible.

Agree and I'm all for Chappy in the 8th there

BUT....any other pitch there and I like our chances. Don't wake up a giant.

Walk the guy in front of Griffey....watch him HR

Throw one at Gary Sheffield's head....he'll murder the next pitch if it's a fastball.

Hit Miguel Cabrera on purpose...watch Victor Martinez smoke one over the fence.

Call me reactive and jumpy but I'm moving Jumbo ahead of Brox.

[RedsLvr]

one day the Reds will be as clutch as Boston and have a lineup full of actual hitters, one day...................................

If being clutch gets you a whole 52 wins at the start of August 12th I think I'll pass.

[kbrake]

With no Votto and no Phillips this team just have absolutely no room for mistakes. Just not enough above average bats. It requires pretty close to perfect SP and perfect relief work. Broxton made a bad pitch. It happens.

[DocRed]

Uehara will make us look silly....like he usually does. (reverse psychology *cough*)

[Big Klu]

Didn't say *when* they were trying to improve. It's for their future. And a pretty solid move.

Better than doing nothing and losing your guys for nothing later on (like the Reds will amost certainly do with one or two of those guys you mentioned).

The Astros have a plan, too. Maybe we should follow that one instead.

[Ironman92]

If being clutch gets you a whole 52 wins at the start of August 12th I think I'll pass.

If it follows a World Series Championship the year before...I'd take it

[Ironman92]

Uehara will make us look silly....like he usually does. (reverse psychology *cough*)

Way to negate yourself

[Roy Tucker]

Man, you guys are tough.

[wally post]

Why didn't Billy H bunt on Ortiz all night?

[Ironman92]

Obvious Cespedes read the thread about the Lester trade.

[WVRedsFan]

They actually do tend to ask such questions, but Redszoners don't bother to check that they did and just assume they didn't.To be honest, All I've ever heard is softball questions and a lot of buddy-buddy talk. A lot of "Don't you think that." questions. Price would get hammered in both Boston and New York.

[DocRed]

Why didn't Billy H bunt on Ortiz all night?

Because that would be like picking on the handicapped. BH is a good guy....

[Ironman92]

Great...Cozart bobbles in the glove and Bogaerts makes it safely

[RedsLvr]

I know it's been said about a dozen times.. But the amount of Red Sox fans there makes me want to puke.

[Tom Servo]

To be honest, All I've ever heard is softball questions and a lot of buddy-buddy talk. A lot of "Don't you think that." questions. Price would get hammered in both Boston and New York.
It's true that there generally aren't the scathing articles about the Reds in Cincy, but beat wrtiers certainly do ask him about his decisions after the game involving pitching to certain guys, leaving certain guys in, etc.

Also even in hypercritical markets like NY nobody goes to Girardi post game and starts calling him an idiot, respect is a big part of the process.

[Roy Tucker]

He's out.

[Tom Servo]

He's out, they blew the call.

[RedsLvr]

He's out! Even looked out at full speed.

[Ironman92]

Uehara is a horrid matchup for the Reds and especially what's coming up. Pena may give a good AB but his karma has to be running low, Heisey just has no chance against the talented closer, Santiago may battle and may even find a way on.... But Cozart is next, would hope Luddy PH but he's struggled

[kbrake]

I know it's been said about a dozen times.. But the amount of Red Sox fans there makes me want to puke.

We owe Votto and Bailey a bunch of money and will probably be paying a ton to Cueto or Latos. I don't care what fan wants to show up and buy $9 beers. I'll take it.

[Kc61]

It's true that there generally aren't the scathing articles about the Reds in Cincy, but beat wrtiers certainly do ask him about his decisions after the game involving pitching to certain guys, leaving certain guys in, etc.

Also even in hypercritical markets like NY nobody goes to Girardi post game and starts calling him an idiot, respect is a big part of the process.

Maybe on a game-by-game basis, you're probably right.

However, there are many markets that would just excoriate the Reds for their passive approach to improving the team.

[Ironman92]

It was back of glove but not clasped, so to speak....that's not in the rule but worries me

[WrongVerb]

Is it disturbing to anyone else just how many calls the umps actually get wrong? That it's probably been this way forever?

[BluegrassRedleg]

The Astros have a plan, too. Maybe we should follow that one instead.

Ha. Well, they may not be too bad in the not-so-distant future.

I just want to see some effort and commitment to putting a championship contender on the field. It's lacking right now.

[RedsLvr]

We owe Votto and Bailey a bunch of money and will probably be paying a ton to Cueto or Latos. I don't care what fan wants to show up and buy $9 beers. I'll take it.

Yeah that's true I suppose

[Ironman92]

Is it disturbing to anyone else just how many calls the umps actually get wrong? That it's probably been this way forever?

No, not me anyways.

[Tom Servo]

However, there are many markets that would just excoriate the Reds for their passive approach to improving the team.
Isn't that what the fanbase is for? There are a lot more articles to be written by a lot more writers in NY. In Cincinnati you have one daily newspaper.

[Roy Tucker]

Cincinnati is a nice city to visit in the summer. And by and large, visiting fans are treated politely.

After all, we are Midwesterners and we don't offend people.

[texasdave]

Offensive juggernaut. Keep sleeping, Walt. This team doesn't need another bat.

[villain612]

Ha. Well, they may not be too bad in the not-so-distant future.

I just want to see some effort and commitment to putting a championship contender on the field. It's lacking right now.

There may be a disagreement on what players they're signing, but Castellini is putting up more money than Cincinnati's market-size should allot.

Everytime the Reds give out a big contract, there are tons of posts that decry spending the money. I won't mention player names.

[Kc61]

Offensive juggernaut. Keep sleeping, Walt. This team doesn't need another bat.

I'm pretty vocal about adding offense.

But since the offense is weak, when you have a 2-1 lead late, you have to be aggressive preserving the lead.

You can't take your chances with the HR derby winner. Probably you won't catch up if he loses one.

[Big Klu]

Ha. Well, they may not be too bad in the not-so-distant future.

Maybe, but nobody in East Texas will know about it, because they have successfully run off their entire fan base.

[Ironman92]

WVRedsFan mad

[kbrake]

I'm pretty vocal about adding offense.

But since the offense is weak, when you have a 2-1 lead late, you have to be aggressive preserving the lead.

You can't take your chances with the HR derby winner. Probably you won't catch up if he loses one.

I understand being aggressive to preserve the lead and maybe Chapman should have been brought in.

That being said if I ever found out my manager was making game decisions based on the HR derby I would want him fired on the spot.

[RedsLvr]

This ump has been calling the right down the middle pitch a ball all game long and mostly in our favor. I love it.

[villain612]

We're still alive.

[Ironman92]

3 inch lead Heisey

[toledodan]

Heisey looked about as bad as expected but lucks into an infield single.

[NC-Red]

If being clutch gets you a whole 52 wins at the start of August 12th I think I'll pass.

i wont pass on having a few world series the past few years and having just a down year

[Ironman92]

Chris got back! He got back!!!

[Tom Servo]

The legend of Ramon Santiago...

[Kc61]

I understand being aggressive to preserve the lead and maybe Chapman should have been brought in.

That being said if I ever found out my manager was making game decisions based on the HR derby I would want him fired on the spot.

Obviously, that's not what I meant. Come on. Guy is a powerhouse who can probably hit a home run in his sleep. That's the point.

[Roy Tucker]

Don't get picked off Chris.

[powersackers]

All of New England is laughing at our next two batters.

[Tom Servo]

i wont pass on having a few world series the past few years and having just a down year
>implying you wouldn't be on here complaining if the Reds were having a losing season following a World Series victory

[Ironman92]

Heisey looked about as bad as expected but licks into an infield single.

Sorry, but he adjusted well and got it. Not a good hit....but this pitcher is tough.

[NC-Red]

really weak at bat, but we're the Reds we really have little talent

[Kc61]

Cozart is coming up.

Hope he homers.

But this is the nature of the managing of this team tonight. Like, maybe Ludwick?

[Roy Tucker]

Reds just have too many sub par bats in their lineup.

[Ironman92]

Where is Luddy?

Does every edging loss come down to Cozart?

[toledodan]

All of MLB is laughing at our next two batters.

FIFY

[Ironman92]

0-2 I steal

[Kc61]

Where is Luddy?

Does every edging loss come down to Cozart?

It's the "let it be" school of managing.

[toledodan]

Reds just have too many sub par bats in their lineup.

Walt will disagree

[Ironman92]

And would've made it

[BluegrassRedleg]

There may be a disagreement on what players they're signing, but Castellini is putting up more money than Cincinnati's market-size should allot.

Everytime the Reds give out a big contract, there are tons of posts that decry spending the money. I won't mention player names.

Not just money. Creativity. A complete effort to give these guys a chance to win in the postseason.

[RedsLvr]

really weak at bat, but we're the Reds we really have little talent

We had 5 all stars, and a few others put up all star numbers. A few more have been all stars in the past. To say we have little talent is laughable.

[Ironman92]

It's the "let it be" school of managing.

Luddy in pitcher's spot??????

[Ironman92]

You gotta get to the pitcher's spot. Cozy no chance at all

[Tom Servo]

We're bad again.

Tough one to take, let it slip away.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Gimp swing to end it.

[Kc61]

Horrendous loss.

[Ironman92]

Great game by Cozy

[malcontent]

Cozart with the Coz-out.

[villain612]

Cozart popping up to end it is perfect.

[toledodan]

6 hits tonight. Thanks walt

[wally post]

I'm going to buy a Mighty Bite and swallow it

[Ironman92]

Broxton EARNED that loss

[WrongVerb]

The Cozart f'ing lunge to end it. Wow.

[powersackers]

No comment. Seriously. No one comment. Please.

[NC-Red]

more talented team won and i dont care about record you compare Boston and Cincinnatis roster and you would think they'd have mixed up the records for both

[Roy Tucker]

Another one run loss.

My kingdom for a bat.

[RedsLvr]

Horrendous loss.

Game 3 of our 2012 NLDS was a horrendous loss. This one is pretty typical. We have another one tomorrow.

[NC-Red]

TBH this team is bad, really bad and has nothing to do with Bryan Price. Talent wise this team has gotta be near bottom of the barrel in baseball we honestly should be happy we're even at .500 with the amount of AAA players that are on this team!! People on here shouldn't be expecting any playoff success for a REAL LONG TIME

[Kc61]

I don't know. Had a one run lead. Obvious home run hitter up. First base open. Lesser hitter on deck.

I don't know. Seems to me they could have won, even with the current personnel.

Oh well, enjoy the evening folks.

[malcontent]

Team That Tried at Deadline 3
Woozy Walts 2
"Woozy Walts". I like that.

:laugh:

[Tom Servo]

6 hits tonight. Thanks walt
So...should we thank Walt when they get more than 6 hits?

http://i.imgur.com/hnQvjz9.gif

[Redsfansince72]

and ludwick not sent in to pinch hit for Cozart???. let Cozart make the last out of the game.. i feel if they got lucky and the other teams failed and we got a 1 game playoff ON THE ROAD, they would let Cozart be the last out to end it...

[RedsLvr]

I don't know. Had a one run lead. Obvious home run hitter up. First base open. Lesser hitter on deck.

I don't know. Seems to me they could have won, even with the current personnel.

Oh well, enjoy the evening folks.

Either way, it sucks. But it's only a game. Enjoy your night sir.

[Ironman92]

All about Skip. The last 4 games he hasn't played....Reds have won....the last 4 games he has played the Reds have lost.

[malcontent]

Cozart popping up to end it is perfect.
Maraschino cherry on the sundae.

[Tom Servo]

I'm going to buy a Mighty Bite and swallow it
Somebody else gets those commercials too? I'm not alone in my endless suffering of Mighty Bite?

[BluegrassRedleg]

38th time the Reds have scored 2 runs or less this season, or once every 3 games. :cry:

[RedsLvr]

Maraschino cherry on the sundae.

I was thinking of more like the painful sting at the end of a long dump, but I guess your analogy works too.

[Chuckie]

Chapman should have been warming up during the 8th and should have entered the game when there was a man on second and two outs. Said it at the time. It makes no sense to use Chapman as the closer if you're not willing to pitch him multiple innings. Price acted like he was going to do it, but he's done it like 2 times all year.

[Ironman92]

Bad loss.

On the players side they had Kelly at a high pitch count and let him off the hook in the in the first and second innings with 1st pitch swing double plays and 4th-6th innings didn't work him.

[wally post]

Somebody else gets those commercials too? I'm not alone in my endless suffering of Mighty Bite?

"Lookie lookie lookie, COOKS! Pest control"

We are robots now

[malcontent]

Give me James David Riggleman. There. I said it.

Price is a possum in the headlights.

[Tony Cloninger]

Players have hit better than Heisey and received more grief than what he does from people who keep loving him.......but there are fewer here I am sure in the last year.

The fact, like Malcotent stated... that he keeps starting and just being used is an indictment of Walt and his inability to even LOOK at Perez as an option.

Cozart hitting against that RHP was stupid.

With all due respect Sir Charles.... all Cozart tries to do is pull the ball..... his hit chart might say RF but it is because he is so bad at hitting that when he tries to pull outside breaking balls all he can do is pop up with that stupid swing of his. But no..... NO PH for Popzart. Makes too much sense to do so.

[Tony Cloninger]

38th time the Reds have scored 2 runs or less this season, or once every 3 games. :cry:

I swear I think they and the FO wear the "We will win with pitching" like some cool badge of honor..... in that they are OK with not looking at even in house options to help the offense because they want to prove a point or something. We get it. Pitching is awesome and you are wasting it. :thumbdown:

[Tony Cloninger]

more talented team won and i dont care about record you compare Boston and Cincinnatis roster and you would think they'd have mixed up the records for both


I don't want to work. I want to bang on the drum all day.

Thank You again for telling us what we should always know but you wait until the team is losing to tell us.

[Roy Tucker]

Bad loss.

On the players side they had Kelly at a high pitch count and let him off the hook in the in the first and second innings with 1st pitch swing double plays and 4th-6th innings didn't work him.

Reds hitters just don't have that grind it out approach. Lots of big swings early in the count on pitchers pitches.

[WVRedsFan]

Where is Luddy?

Does every edging loss come down to Cozart?I get the feeling that Price and Luddy don't get along. Guy is hitting 40 points above Heisey (shudder), Schumaker, Bruce, Cozart, and many others. Yet, he is the last guy to even be looked at on the bench. I get the feeling that Price, unfortunately, feels that these guys are better than Ludwick, which is totally insane. I think Price has a doghouse and it's not dependent on performance. Now, that's a guess, and I hope that's the case because if he thinks those other guys are better right now, it's time to call the guys in the white suits.

[WVRedsFan]

So...should we thank Walt when they get more than 6 hits?

http://i.imgur.com/hnQvjz9.gif

John Cena thinks not, but he's not a Reds fan. :)

[PepperJack]

I get the feeling that Price and Luddy don't get along. Guy is hitting 40 points above Heisey (shudder), Schumaker, Bruce, Cozart, and many others. Yet, he is the last guy to even be looked at on the bench. I get the feeling that Price, unfortunately, feels that these guys are better than Ludwick, which is totally insane. I think Price has a doghouse and it's not dependent on performance. Now, that's a guess, and I hope that's the case because if he thinks those other guys are better right now, it's time to call the guys in the white suits.


I think there is a lot more going on behind the scenes with Ludwick than we will ever hear about publicly.

He is going to sit at least 1/3 of the time anyways(he has done that since the first day he got here), on top of that, there was the rumblings of the team trying to shop him at the deadline.

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that he is sitting just a little more than usual, because the team may be hoping to move him this month, and don't want to risk injury.

[Ironman92]

Starting in RIGHT FIELD for the White Sox at San Francisco tonight

Adam Dunn.....2 run HR of course

[WVRedsFan]

I think there is a lot more going on behind the scenes with Ludwick than we will ever hear about publicly.

He is going to sit at least 1/3 of the time anyways(he has done that since the first day he got here), on top of that, there was the rumblings of the team trying to shop him at the deadline.

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that he is sitting just a little more than usual, because the team may be hoping to move him this month, and don't want to risk injury.
I tend to think that's not the case. When Price made his bold statement that He was going to platoon Ludwick, it had to be a turning point. I wasn't there, but reports are that Ludwick was very mad and upset and Price refused to talk to him or he wasn't notified beforehand--I've heard both. I'd say that's the root of the problem. Witness his last interview with Jim Day after a rare win. Ludwick wasn't jovial nor was he himself. I think there's trouble in that clubhouse. Maybe the absence of Phillips and Votto is at the root of the problem or maybe it's something else?

[BRM13]

Starting in RIGHT FIELD for the White Sox at San Francisco tonight

Adam Dunn.....2 run HR of course

I've always had a soft spot for the big guy, but that is a lot or green grass for him to 'patrol' :D

[Tony Cloninger]

I think there is a lot more going on behind the scenes with Ludwick than we will ever hear about publicly.

He is going to sit at least 1/3 of the time anyways(he has done that since the first day he got here), on top of that, there was the rumblings of the team trying to shop him at the deadline.

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that he is sitting just a little more than usual, because the team may be hoping to move him this month, and don't want to risk injury.

Cutting off their nose then to spite the face while saying they are still in this? Makes no sense but what you said also makes sense as well.

[PepperJack]

I tend to think that's not the case. When Price made his bold statement that He was going to platoon Ludwick, it had to be a turning point. I wasn't there, but reports are that Ludwick was very mad and upset and Price refused to talk to him or he wasn't notified beforehand--I've heard both. I'd say that's the root of the problem. Witness his last interview with Jim Day after a rare win. Ludwick wasn't jovial nor was he himself. I think there's trouble in that clubhouse. Maybe the absence of Phillips and Votto is at the root of the problem or maybe it's something else?

In a little digging here is what I found on the Enquirer's website about Ludwick,

On May 21st, he talks about dealing with a quad type of injury,

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2014/05/21/reds-ludwick-feels-good-play-despite-mystery-injury/2344660/


"I don't know exactly what it would be classified as, a knee or quad strain," Ludwick said. "It happened in Philly, on that ball that (John) Mayberry hit down the line (Sunday) that I thought was going to tuck into that little alcove, and it ended up going by, so I had to change directions around the corner and then it got stuck beneath the fence and I had to change directions again. I could play today."


Then on June 1st, it was said that LF would be a shared position going forward,

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/redsblog/2014/06/01/schumaker-heisey-in-reds-mix-with-ludwick-in-left/9841431/


PHOENIX -- Ryan Ludwick started in left field for the first time in three games Sunday. Ludwick, heretofore the starter, is no longer going to play every day -- or close to it.

"We're going to mix and match," Reds manager Bryan Price said. "I've spoke to Ryan about that. I'm also optimistic he'll get himself into full swing and have more impact over the course of the year. But I felt like we needed to give some other guys some opportunity to get out there and perform.

"He was very professional about it. It's a very difficult situation to talk to an established player about playing time. But he was a total pro about it. I really appreciated that. He could have made it more difficult."


I never heard that Ludwick was upset about it, or got angry with Price, but the Reds wouldn't say either way if he did really.

[WVRedsFan]

In a little digging here is what I found on the Enquirer's website about Ludwick,

On May 21st, he talks about dealing with a quad type of injury,

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2014/05/21/reds-ludwick-feels-good-play-despite-mystery-injury/2344660/




Then on June 1st, it was said that LF would be a shared position going forward,

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/redsblog/2014/06/01/schumaker-heisey-in-reds-mix-with-ludwick-in-left/9841431/




I never heard that Ludwick was upset about it, or got angry with Price, but the Reds wouldn't say either way if he did really.I know. It's just a hunch. Luddy doesn't seem like the same guy. He's too professional to bring it all out, but something is going on when you put him last on the bench with his statistics which are not that good, but better than what's available. Makes no sense.

[cumberlandreds]

I think this loss pretty much did it for the season. It would take an extended good run for them win the division or even make the wild card and that isn't happening with this offense. If Votto,Phillips and another good bat suddenly appear on the scene I might change my mind. But I know that's a pipe dream. Maybe they will make the necesary changes this winter,like another good bat or two, and get everyone healthy then 2015 should be a good season.

[WVRedsFan]

I think this loss pretty much did it for the season. It would take an extended good run for them win the division or even make the wild card and that isn't happening with this offense. If Votto,Phillips and another good bat suddenly appear on the scene I might change my mind. But I know that's a pipe dream. Maybe they will make the necesary changes this winter,like another good bat or two, and get everyone healthy then 2015 should be a good season.That happened a long time ago.With the Pirates and Brewers beating teams they should beat and the Reds blowing game after game either because of the lack of offense, untimely pitching, or goofs from the bench, they are toast. At this point I'm only hoping for a winning season and maybe a third place finish. As of now, I don't think either will happen.