8/13/14 Reds vs BoSox Day Game

[cumberlandreds]

Here's todays lineups. It's a 12:35 game. I guess Ludwick is in cold storage for the winter now. Oh well, probably doesn't matter this team isn't scoring much with or without him.

1. Brock Holt (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 2B
2. Daniel Nava (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) RF
3. Yoenis Cespedes (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) LF
4. Mike Napoli (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 1B
5. Kelly Johnson (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 3B
6. Xander Bogaerts (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) SS
7. Jackie Bradley Jr. (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) CF
8. Dan Butler (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) C
9. Anthony Ranaudo (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) P


1. Billy Hamilton (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) CF
2. Jay Bruce (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) RF
3. Todd Frazier (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 3B
4. Devin Mesoraco (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) C
5. Brayan Pena (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) 1B
6. Kris Negron (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 2B
7. Skip Schumaker (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) LF
8. Zack Cozart (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) SS
9. Mike Leake (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) P

[cumberlandreds]

New lineup out. Ludwick in this one. They listened to me. :)

1. Billy Hamilton (S) CF
2. Kris Negron (R) 2B
3. Todd Frazier (R) 3B
4. Devin Mesoraco (R) C
5. Brayan Pena (S) 1B
6. Ryan Ludwick (R) LF
7. Skip Schumaker (L) RF
8. Zack Cozart (R) SS
9. Mike Leake (R) P

[cumberlandreds]

According to Twitter Bruce is ill.

[RedTeamGo!]

According to Twitter Bruce is ill.

7767

[toledodan]

Walk, wild pitch and rbi single 1-0 Boston. Runner on second on throw home which had zero chance.

[WVRedsFan]

Glad I can't see or hear. Schumaker in right should be an adventure.

[WVRedsFan]

2-0 now. I'm going to go to the ocean now and forget about this. Incompetence begone!!

[tomnuetten]

grounder to frazier, throw to the plate (not a great chance to get him) runner scores and safe at first aswell

[toledodan]

2-0 Boston going to bottom of first. Game over?

[cumberlandreds]

Phillips is saying on Twitter that he's going to start his rehab in Louisville on Friday. Hurrah!! The reinforcements are coming! ;)

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2-0 after 1/2 inning. I have feeling this is going to be a looooong game for the Reds. Never heard of this pitcher. That means he shuts out the Reds.

[WVRedsFan]

Phillips is saying on Twitter that he's going to start his rehab in Louisville on Friday. Hurrah!! The reinforcements are coming! ;)

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2-0 after 1/2 inning. I have feeling this is going to be a looooong game for the Reds. Never heard of this pitcher. That means he shuts out the Reds.

Saw BP's tweet. Good news. Unless Luddy, Frazier and Mes can get a couple of clutch hits,, it is over. Sad, but this .500 club couldn't afford Leake today. I hope I'm wrong.

[Tom Servo]

Nothing for the Reds in the bottom of the 1st despite a Negron single and stolen base.

[cumberlandreds]

2-0 Red Sox after one. Negron left stranded at 2nd.

[NC-Red]

get the brooms out

[cumberlandreds]

Jackie Bradley breaks an 0-35 streak with a single. 1st and third two out.

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Holt bangs out to Frazier to end the inning. 2-0 Sawks.

[cumberlandreds]

Pena with a leadoff single.

[toledodan]

Skip will save us

[tomnuetten]

schumaker with a hit :eek:

[cumberlandreds]

Schu with a one out single and Pena to 3rd.

[toledodan]

Pena is at second

[toledodan]

The cozart lunge. My God does he still get ab?

[cumberlandreds]

Pena is at second

I'm mostly listening. kelch told me wrong. Cozie pops out. Who would have thought that?

[toledodan]

It's sad when leake gives you a better plate appearance than your starting ss.

[cumberlandreds]

Leake grounds out hard to third to end the 2nd. 2-0 Boston.

[Biff Pocoroba]

Does anyone keep a stat along the lines of "Percentage of ABs that don't involve an outfielder touching the ball"?

If so, I'd have to believe that Cozart is a lock for the 2014 crown

[cumberlandreds]

The cozart lunge. My God does he still get ab?

That could be a new dance craze. The Cozart Lunge!

[RedTeamGo!]

The cozart lunge. My God does he still get ab?

People in another thread right now are saying they are not concerned about Cozart and think he should be in the every day lineup.

It's astounding.

[cumberlandreds]

You kinda get the feeling Leake is teetering on the edge of disaster. Third straight inning with a lead off single for the Sawks.

[cumberlandreds]

Leake gets the next three and we move right along. 2-0 Sawks in the 3rd.

[cumberlandreds]

Negron with a one out walk. Can Negron play SS?

[tomnuetten]

People in another thread right now are saying they are not concerned about Cozart and think he should be in the every day lineup.

It's astounding.

most people do think that cozart is terrible at the plate, yet they look at his defence aswell... he is very cheap and produces better or the same WAR the LF, 2B does. Look at the money the reds spent for the guys playing in LF or 2B... I still think that fixing those positions is more important than the very cheap SS...

I would still love to see an improvement at this position (who wouldn´t) but I´d handle the other positions first and try to find a young cheap SS for a spring training position battle

[Tom Servo]

Ground ruled double so Negron can't score :(

[cumberlandreds]

Frazier a ground rule double. Bad break for the Reds. Negron would have scored.

[Tom Servo]

jeeeeeeeez I thought Rocco had another one.

[RedTeamGo!]

most people do think that cozart is terrible at the plate, yet they look at his defence aswell... he is very cheap and produces better or the same WAR the LF, 2B does. Look at the money the reds spent for the guys playing in LF or 2B... I still think that fixing those positions is more important than the very cheap SS...

I would still love to see an improvement at this position (who wouldn´t) but I´d handle the other positions first and try to find a young cheap SS for a spring training position battle

Cozart's WAR is deceptive. He is literally the worst offensive SS in major league baseball.

[cumberlandreds]

Darn it. Mez just missed a 3 run HR. A sac Fly though. Marty is happy. 2-1 Sawks.

[cumberlandreds]

Pena pops out to end the inning. 2-1 Sawks after 3.

[tomnuetten]

Cozart's WAR is deceptive. He is literally the worst offensive SS in major league baseball.

and the best fielding SS in the league. If the reds wouldn´t have the 2nd worst OF group in the MLB and a below .avg 2b. The cheap elite defending SS with no hitting wouldn´t be a big problem...

I have no problem with a cozart upgrade, in fact I would be more than happy. the problem is that an overall upgrade (an upgrade on offense is easy) over cozart will cost a bit. while the reds pay a lot at certain positions while getting worse (overall) production...

[cumberlandreds]

1,2,3 inning for leake. 2-1 Boston

[Kc61]

With Cozart, forget WAR, each team has to make a judgment whether -- for that team -- his defense outweighs the lack of offense.

I'd argue many AL teams, with a good DH, would be wise to have a Cozart at SS. Great fielder, you already have eight bats. No problem.

More problematic in the NL. With Cozart you've got basically seven hitters. If one of those is shaky, you are on a slippery slope. Injury or two, you're done. But a top hitting NL team, well, they may well be better off WITH Zack.

[Tom Servo]

Damnit Jim, your grandchild is being born and you're in the booth?

[Tom Servo]

Schumaker! :jump:


tie game

[tomnuetten]

whats wrong with schumaker

:thumbup:

[cumberlandreds]

Miracles never cease!!! Schumaker with a HR!!!!

[toledodan]

Skip owns the sox. Both homers against them

[cumberlandreds]

411 feet on that HR. Not a cheapie.

[Magdal]

whats wrong with schumaker

:thumbup:He loves Boston pitching.

[Tom Servo]

Leake! :jump:

3-2 Reds!

[toledodan]

Leake!!!

[tomnuetten]

and leake with a HR :thumbup:

[cumberlandreds]

Leake says take that Schu!!! HR!!! 3-2 Reds.

[Magdal]

How 'bout THAT? :beerme:

[toledodan]

Cozart hits one 5 feet lol then leake hits one about 350

[cumberlandreds]

Hamilton bunts out to the pitcher. A good inning though. 3-2 Reds after four.

[kaldaniels]

Earned it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61W8leoXclL._SL1056_.jpg

[Tom Servo]

damnit leake

[cumberlandreds]

Cespedes drives in Holt to tie the game. can he go back to Oakland for the rest of the day?

[Tom Servo]

Damnit leake!!

[cumberlandreds]

Napoli a 2 run HR. 5-3 Boston.

[tomnuetten]

the lead was nice while it lasted

[toledodan]

Figures

[Tom Servo]

bad leake rears his head

[cumberlandreds]

Leakes imploding. Hoover up in the pen. Reds giving up.....

[tomnuetten]

Leakes imploding. Hoover up in the pen. Reds giving up.....

they just want to improve the offense.. hoover has a 1.000 OBP as far as I know

[cumberlandreds]

Fifth finally over. 5-3 Boston half way through this one.

[RedTeamGo!]

The Red Sox are our daddy.

[cumberlandreds]

Negron a lead off triple!!!!

[Tom Servo]

leadoff triple for Negron!

[toledodan]

Negron triples to lead off 5th. Play him at ss when Phillips gets back

[toledodan]

Rally killer sac fly for Frazier 5-4

[cumberlandreds]

SAC Fly by Frazier. Marty will be giddy today. 5-4 Sox

[toledodan]

Frazier and mez have some decent obp. Would fit nice with votto

[toledodan]

5-4 after 5

[cumberlandreds]

Pena grounds out to end the 5th. 5-4 Sox

[cumberlandreds]

Hoover in. I just won't comment on that.

[toledodan]

Hamilton-phillips-votto-mez-bruce-frazier-ludwick-negron

[toledodan]

Remember when we thought we won that Hoover trade?

[Tom Servo]

Remember when we thought we won that Hoover trade?
We got two years of good middle relief for a guy who wasn't going to see playing time for the Reds in 2012 or 2013. Can't complain too much.

[toledodan]

Nice play Hamilton

[cumberlandreds]

Hamilton makes a nice running catch to save a double.

[cumberlandreds]

Sox go out in order. 5-4 bad guys in the 6th

[Rantly]

OK, nice inning by Hoover, but please don't let him pitch a second inning

[NC-Red]

Sox have too many talented clutch hitters for the Reds to handle

[toledodan]

We got two years of good middle relief for a guy who wasn't going to see playing time for the Reds in 2012 or 2013. Can't complain too much.

Hoover has been so bad this year it fogs my memory that he ever was good.I agree at the time Francisco wasn't going to play. He sure would this year though. Hind sight I know.

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OK, nice inning by Hoover, but please don't let him pitch a second inning

This

[cumberlandreds]

Cozart with a two out single. Wow!

[toledodan]

Cozart a two out single. Just bought him some more starts. Heisey batting for Hoover.

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Heisey grounds out first pitch smh

[cumberlandreds]

Hacker Heisey grounds out to 3rd. Reds may challenge the call. Lets see.....

[cumberlandreds]

Ball looked foul to me. Looks like its not a reviewable call.

[cumberlandreds]

Parra in to pitch. gets the first two without a problem.

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Easy one for Parra. 7th inning stretch, 5-4 Sox

[50YrRedsFan]

As Hamilton goes, so do the Reds.......Billy not getting on base = Reds struggling to score.

[cumberlandreds]

Easy inning for Badenhop and the Sox. 5-4 Sox after 7.

[toledodan]

Frazier has one home run since the break. Not good

[cumberlandreds]

As Hamilton goes, so do the Reds.......Billy not getting on base = Reds struggling to score.

This has been an offensive explosion today with four runs.

[cumberlandreds]

Lecure in to LePitch the 8th.

[cumberlandreds]

LeCure sets LeSide down in LeOrder. 5-4 in the 8th. Enough fun for me today. I have to go. Bring home a winner RZ,

[50YrRedsFan]

LeCure sets the Sox down in order....Reds with 6 outs left.

[Kingspoint]

Is this going to be one of those rare games where the REDS score more than three runs, but lose?

[We're 49-12 (.803) when we score more than three runs.]

[We're 30-6 (.833) when we score more than four runs.]

[We're 0-25 (.000) when opponents score more than five runs.]

[Kingspoint]

Blew that by Mes.

[Magdal]

Jeez...Lud looked bad on that one.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds down in order in the 8th.

[Kingspoint]

Ouch!

100mph right at him. No chance to get out of the way.

[50YrRedsFan]

Chapman in.....

[tomnuetten]

chapman a bit wild the first few pitches

[Kingspoint]

Chapman is simply amazing!

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These guys can't come close to making contact with the ball (except with their body).

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It's hard to rally when you only get two outs in an inning (Price is guaranteed to give one away with a bunt).

[toledodan]

Chapman is simply amazing!

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These guys can't come close to making contact with the ball (except with their body).

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It's hard to rally when you only get two outs in an inning (Price is guaranteed to give one away with a bunt).

but this team can't string three hits together. you have to bunt.

[Red Raindog]

Jeez...Lud looked bad on that one.

thought he was Cozart at first when I looked up

[50YrRedsFan]

I'll take my pizza with extra cheese, please.

[klw]

Reds PH options for the 9th
Barnhart
Hannahan
sick Bruce

[WVRedsFan]

It's hard to rally when you only get two outs in an inning (Price is guaranteed to give one away with a bunt).

Word. But Thou Shalt Not be critical. He's doing a fine job withe near 30 1-run losses. Mea Culpa.

[Kingspoint]

Some gamethread last week we were discussing when one of the bench players would get his first homerun and it was mentioned that Leake would get one first. Schumaker and Leake hit one in the same inning, ironically.

[toledodan]

here comes the bunt :)

[tomnuetten]

seriously who is this guy with the schumaker jersey on...

[toledodan]

seriously who is this guy with the schumaker jersey on...

he reads redzone. he's tired of all the crap lol

[50YrRedsFan]

I don't mind bunting with Cozout.........he'd probably hit into a DP if allowed to swing.

[Kingspoint]

but this team can't string three hits together. you have to bunt. You can hit to the right side, and if it goes through, you advance the runner without giving up an out, and if not, you still move the runner over, or, you can hit-and-run. There are many options other than to give up the out. You can try to get a walk, a HBP, a WP, etc.

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I don't mind bunting with Cozout.........he'd probably hit into a DP if allowed to swing.

You were sayin'?

[toledodan]

screw the bunt. now we really bunt

[Tom Servo]

Reds preparing to break all of our hearts

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice. Rally caps! 2 on, no outs after Cozy's single to left.

[toledodan]

You can hit to the right side, and if it goes through, you advance the runner without giving up an out, and if not, you still move the runner over, or, you can hit-and-run. There are many options other than to give up the out. You can try to get a walk, a HBP, a WP, etc.

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You were sayin'?

if this team was good at hitting yes. cozart pops out everytime going to the right side

[50YrRedsFan]

You can hit to the right side, and if it goes through, you advance the runner without giving up an out, and if not, you still move the runner over, or, you can hit-and-run. There are many options other than to give up the out. You can try to get a walk, a HBP, a WP, etc.

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You were sayin'?
reverse psychology :D

[Magdal]

Stop frickin' BUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kingspoint]

Nice stab at a ball in the dirt there, Santiago.

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Santiago can't bunt worth jack. Knock it off!!!!!

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Stop frickin' BUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Price is a very, very, very slow learner.

[toledodan]

if santiago gets a hit i'm going to fall down laughing

[Kingspoint]

Price is the dumbest manager we have ever had.

[Tom Servo]

well that didn't work

[Chuckie]

You keep the bunt on with 2 strikes? This team DESERVES to lose doing stupid stuff like that. Just mindless.

[toledodan]

now that is bad. you can't bunt with 2 strikes in that situation

[Kingspoint]

now that is bad. you can't bunt with 2 strikes in that situation

Not with a guy who is showing that he's clueless as a bunter.

Price is terrible.

[tomnuetten]

this hamilton kid isn´t that "clutch" anymore

[_Sir_Charles_]

No way I would've kept the bunt on with 2 strikes. No way in the world. He wasn't even close on the first 2. Let him swing away. If you want to avoid the DP, put the guys in motion.

[toledodan]

hamilton flies out. awful baseball

[Chuckie]

That would have been the sac fly we needed if they would have let Santiago hit. A ground ball would have got the job done. Sooooooo dumb, especially to keep the bunt on with two strikes.

The dumbest team in MLB by far.

[50YrRedsFan]

Schumaker and Cozart with half of the Reds hits today...go figure.

Santiago fails on the bunt attempt....1 down

[Kc61]

Hamilton thought the bunt worked, so he hit a sac fly, but unfortunately nobody on third.

In other words, two outs, first and second, none in, up to Negron.

[WVRedsFan]

Stop frickin' BUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thou Shalt Not..It's a rule.

[Edd Roush]

I really dislike Price's in-game decisions and I don't think experience will make it any better.

[Magdal]

Nice stab at a ball in the dirt there, Santiago.

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Santiago can't bunt worth jack. Knock it off!!!!!

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Price is a very, very, very slow learner.Makes NO sense! They're hitting the guy and you kill your momentum with that prehistoric crap?!!

[malcontent]

now that is bad. you can't bunt with 2 strikes in that situation
You'd think Price would know that. But no.

[BluegrassRedleg]

ORL #28.

Same as it ever was...

Same as it ever was...

Same as it ever was...

[Chuckie]

Game over. Reds gift-wrapped that one in the 9th. Pathetic.

[50YrRedsFan]

Hamilton with a poor AB...2 out.

[Tom Servo]

we're still bad


Lose ALL the 1 run games to Boston

[Kingspoint]

Price should be fired. I don't care who manages from here on out as long as it isn't him.

[toledodan]

that should cost somebody a job

[_Sir_Charles_]

Handed that game to them. Gift wrapped.

Anybody hear Brantley when asked if he'd keep the bunt on with 2 strikes. "I would". Mind numbing.

[Stray]

I agreed with the bunt, just not with 2 strikes.

Ah well, we're a bad offensive team so screwing up two on with no outs shouldn't be surprising anymore.

[NC-Red]

no shame in getting 4 game swept to Boston. They are a much, much better team with much better talent up and down their roster

[Kc61]

I thought last night was worse. I guess it's debatable.

[RedsManRick]

The Reds are now 17-28 in 1-run games.

[Chuckie]

I say we just play for a good draft pick at this point. Bat Cozart cleanup. Let's do whatever it takes.

Wait, Price must ALREADY be doing that. That's the only explanation for leaving the bunt on with two strikes.

[Cedric]

Going to go down in history as bunting Bryan.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds 3/4 through the season and are 60W and 60 L. On a treadmill. 1 win, 10 losses in 1 run games since the All Star break.

[Kingspoint]

that should cost somebody a job

There's zero accountability with the job Price is doing.

[Cedric]

He has been a deer in headlights all year. I forgive you Dusty and wish you were back!

[Tom Servo]

I say we just play for a good draft pick at this point. Bat Cozart cleanup. Let's do whatever it takes.
http://i.imgur.com/bF6Cp.jpg

[Always Red]

If the Reds are going to bunt as much as Price wants them to, they should at least learn to bunt.

Johnny Cueto is a great bunter. It can be learned.

Cozart and Santiago are terrible bunters. Heck, Cozart's had to sit out multiple games in two consecutive years from smashing his fingers while bunting.

[malcontent]

Handed that game to them. Gift wrapped.

Anybody hear Brantley when asked if he'd keep the bunt on with 2 strikes. "I would". Mind numbing.
Well, Brantley is an idiot.

[RedsLvr]

Blame Price all you want but the fact is that our players went 0-5 on bunting attempts in the 9th, that is absolutely inexcusable.

[jojo]

When does Price start PHing for BH?

[Kingspoint]

I agreed with the bunt, just not with 2 strikes.

Ah well, we're a bad offensive team so screwing up two on with no outs shouldn't be surprising anymore.

I don't agree with the bunt, but I'm OK with the bunt, as long as it was with a guy at the plate who knows how to bunt. Santiago clearly had no idea, and his Manager should have 100% knowledge of that. Santiago looked like a Pitcher who is a poor bunter trying to bunt.

[Chuckie]

Going to go down in history as bunting Bryan.

"Bunting Bryan" Price.

So it shall be.

I wonder if any of our weak local media will ask him about that horrible decision, or if they'll lob softballs like "Welp, sure stinks to lose another one-run game, huh Skip?"

[BluegrassRedleg]

Blame whoever. This team stinks... as a unit.

[Stray]

that should cost somebody a job

Steve Smith still has his 3rd base responsibilities, I doubt today will change anything lol.

[WVRedsFan]

that should cost somebody a jobIt won't. Everything is fine. The injuries, you know...

[Tom Servo]

I don't agree with the bunt, but I'm OK with the bunt, as long as it was with a guy at the plate who knows how to bunt. Santiago clearly had no idea, and his Manager should have 100% knowledge of that. Santiago looked like a Pitcher who is a poor bunter trying to bunt.
Santiago has 83 career sac bunts in his 13 year career, 6 this year with the Reds. I think he knows how, he just didn't execute it.

[Kingspoint]

Blame Price all you want but the fact is that our players went 0-5 on bunting attempts in the 9th, that is absolutely inexcusable.

But, that's still on Price. It's a pretty lame Manager who doesn't know the ability of the player he's asking to bunt or doesn't make sure his players leave Spring Training know how to do it considering how much he planned on using the bunt.

[Chuckie]

Blame whoever. This team stinks... as a unit.

True, but bunting with two strikes with two on and no outs in the 9th down by one is the stinkiest stench in the world.

[Kingspoint]

Santiago has 83 career sac bunts in his 13 year career, 6 this year with the Reds. I think he knows how, he just didn't execute it.

I watched it. He doesn't know how. I don't care if he has six this year, or if he's averaging six per season. Someone who knows how to bunt successfully bunts 95% of the time. It's obvious to anyone who's played the game that Santiago's technique is highly flawed, and piss-poor, at best.

[Stray]

I don't agree with the bunt, but I'm OK with the bunt, as long as it was with a guy at the plate who knows how to bunt. Santiago clearly had no idea, and his Manager should have 100% knowledge of that. Santiago looked like a Pitcher who is a poor bunter trying to bunt.

I think you try to get the tying run to 3rd with nobody out. If nobody was on first, I'd have been against the bunt since Ramon coulda just pulled a ball to the right side to advance him.

For no other reason that he just seems like a guy that would have had to learn how to sacrifice bunt in his career, I assumed Santiago would get it down. But with two strikes, there's no way it should have been left on.

[RedsLvr]

But, that's still on Price. It's a pretty lame Manager who doesn't know the ability of the player he's asking to bunt or doesn't make sure his players leave Spring Training know how to do it considering how much he planned on using the bunt.


Santiago had proven that he is a good bunter in the past. Had he gotten it down, BH would have tied it up with his fly out. Add in the fact that Santiago is hitting .229, do you REALLY think that it was a bad decision that he bunted on 0-2, or are you just bitter that it did not work out?

[Kingspoint]

"Bunting Bryan" Price.

So it shall be.

I wonder if any of our weak local media will ask him about that horrible decision, or if they'll lob softballs like "Welp, sure stinks to lose another one-run game, huh Skip?"

They only lob softballs in Cincinnati. They don't want to take a chance at not getting their Christmas Invitation card to the gala at Mike Brown's or at Castellini's.

[WVRedsFan]

"Bunting Bryan" Price.

So it shall be.

I wonder if any of our weak local media will ask him about that horrible decision, or if they'll lob softballs like "Welp, sure stinks to lose another one-run game, huh Skip?"No, the question will be "that bunt attempt in the ninth didn't work out did it?" And Price will say something that everyone will feel is intelligent and all will be well. He's the Teflon Manager at this point.

[Tom Servo]

Someone who knows how to bunt successfully bunts 95% of the time.
Source please.

[NeilHamburger]

They're still in it. But, damn, this team sure doesn't deserve to be. This is the least fun I've had watching a team in a very long time. At least the lost decade teams had some major power, and one of the most iconic players of all time in Griffey. This year has sucked.

[WVRedsFan]

I watched it. He doesn't know how. I don't care if he has six this year, or if he's averaging six per season. Someone who knows how to bunt successfully bunts 95% of the time. It's obvious to anyone who's played the game that Santiago's technique is highly flawed, and piss-poor, at best.The fact that he has 6 is alarming. Good Grief

[Kingspoint]

Santiago had proven that he is a good bunter in the past. Had he gotten it down, BH would have tied it up with his fly out. Add in the fact that Santiago is hitting .229, do you REALLY think that it was a bad decision that he bunted on 0-2, or are you just bitter that it did not work out?

What were you watching? Santiago is a horrible bunter. Did you not watch his three stabs at the ball? You don't "stab" at the ball. You don't make contact at a ball that is five inches off the ground. Santiago stabbed at the ball on all three attempts. It wasn't by chance that he stabbed at the ball. It was intentional, and clearly the way that he bunts. It's highly flawed.

[Stray]

I remember a quote from Price earlier this year on managing. It was something along the lines of if managers made that big of a difference, they'd be the ones signing 100+ mil contracts and not the players.

Not that managers don't matter, some of his calls have been bad imo, but the responsibility to execute is still on the players. If Ramon gets that bunt down we tie the game on Hamilton's flyout.

[Kingspoint]

Source please.

The millions who have taught people how to bunt.

[tomnuetten]

santiago is not that bad of a bunter, the problem is: a succesful bunt isn´t that easy to do and from time to time you´ll fail

if someone has two strikes you should never try to bunt! A second earlier the worst hitter on the team got a hit with 2 strikes (thanks to bunting), advanced the runner and avoided an out. and one batter later you try the bunt again and on top of it with 2 strikes? sry I´ll never get this decision

[Cedric]

They're still in it. But, damn, this team sure doesn't deserve to be. This is the least fun I've had watching a team in a very long time. At least the lost decade teams had some major power, and one of the most iconic players of all time in Griffey. This year has sucked.

They are in it only because of Bud. This roster is a mess. Time to clean house Bob.

[Stray]

Ramon was prolly trying to stab at the ball and bunt it at the 3rd baseman. It obviously didn't work out, but I'm not that worked up about it. We're not in the position we are because we suck at bunting or that we bunt too much, we're .500 because we're a bad offensive team. Failing to get a run out of 2 on and no out is not surprising.

[Tom Servo]

I just don't concern myself terribly with managers because they are just about all the same. You fire Price tomorrow and put in Riggleman as manager. Riggleman pinch hits some guy here and overuses some pitcher there and the team runs into outs and then it's "Good god, he needs to go". And so on and so on. Because there simply isn't some magical guy out there who will make every decision you think he should make. I disagreed with Dusty on some things (mostly when it came to that damn playoff series against SF) and I disagree with Price on some things, but I don't give myself aneurysms over their decisions.

[Cedric]

I just don't concern myself terribly with managers because they are just about all the same. You fire Price tomorrow and put in Riggleman as manager. Riggleman pinch hits some guy here and overuses some pitcher there and the team runs into outs and then it's "Good god, he needs to go". And so on and so on. Because there simply isn't some magical guy out there who will make every decision you think he should make. I disagreed with Dusty on some things (mostly when it came to that damn playoff series against SF) and I disagree with Price on some things, but I don't give myself aneurysms over their decisions.

I agree with you.. The 5% chance Price would actually be baseball intelligent was worth the excitement and optimism for me.


The reality of most baseball managers idiocy is a harsh slap in the face. Optimism was completely pointless.

[jojo]

I agree with you.. The 5% chance Price would actually be baseball intelligent was worth the excitement and optimism for me.


The reality of most baseball managers idiocy is a harsh slap in the face. Optimism was completely pointless.

I wouldn't say they are idiots. They just aren't innovators.

[Red Raindog]

ORL #28.

Same as it ever was...

Same as it ever was...

Same as it ever was...

Stop Making Sense

[malcontent]

I remember a quote from Price earlier this year on managing. It was something along the lines of if managers made that big of a difference, they'd be the ones signing 100+ mil contracts and not the players.
That's a weak line coming from a guy that just signed on to manage, IMO.

He's paid...pretty well, too....to make a difference.

[Stray]

That's a weak line coming from a guy that just signed on to manage, IMO.

He's paid...pretty well, too....to make a difference.

It was very early in the year, I don't think he was deflecting responsibility at the time. Don't really remember when it was tho.

It was more of an observation. You know, players play the game.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Ramon was prolly trying to stab at the ball and bunt it at the 3rd baseman. It obviously didn't work out, but I'm not that worked up about it. We're not in the position we are because we suck at bunting or that we bunt too much, we're .500 because we're a bad offensive team. Failing to get a run out of 2 on and no out is not surprising.

I was actually going to be pleasantly surprised if they DID score there.

[Kingspoint]

I remember a quote from Price earlier this year on managing. It was something along the lines of if managers made that big of a difference, they'd be the ones signing 100+ mil contracts and not the players.

Not that managers don't matter, some of his calls have been bad imo, but the responsibility to execute is still on the players. If Ramon gets that bunt down we tie the game on Hamilton's flyout.
Sparky said that Managers can't win games. They can only lose them.

[WVRedsFan]

Sparky said that Managers can't win games. They can only lose them.

Now that I think about it, he was 100% correct,