The New Guys @ Orioles 9/4/14

[NebraskaRed]

ctrent ‏@ctrent 34s
Seriously, #Reds lineup: Bourgeois 8, Santiago 4, Frazier 5, Mesoraco DH, Lutz 7, Rodriguez 9, Hannahan 3, Elmore 6, Barnhart 2

[RedTeamGo!]

hahaha, after Price said yesterday they weren't going to play a lot of young guys. This season is hilarious.

[cumberlandreds]

Might as well play these guys. It makes the game more interesting for me.

The Birds lineup:

1. Nick Markakis (L) RF
2. Alejandro De Aza (L) LF
3. Adam Jones (R) CF
4. Nelson Cruz (R) DH
5. Chris Davis (L) 1B
6. J.J. Hardy (R) SS
7. Kelly Johnson (L) 3B
8. Nick Hundley (R) C
9. Jonathan Schoop (R) 2B

[klw]

I love it! (Where is the split squad playing today?)

This is the free game on MLB.com. Now I will watch!

Now this will be Legendary!

[klw]

Oh they are facing Chris Tillman, RHP
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_09_04_cinmlb_balmlb_1
11-5, 3.36 ERA

Tillman only allowed one run in a win against the Twins on Saturday, but he only lasted five innings for his third non-quality starts in 16 outings. During that stretch, the starting pitcher is 6-3 with a 2.13 ERA.


As they're struggling at the plate, the Reds will have a tall order when they face Baltimore's starter for the series finale. Chris Tillman has been sensational since the All-Star break, posting a 4-0 record with a 1.85 ERA in nine second-half starts. The right-hander was 7-5 with a 4.11 ERA before the break.

Tillman has also been fantastic at Oriole Park at Camden Yards, where his 2.50 ERA this season would be the best single-season mark by an Orioles pitcher in the history of the ballpark.

Reds counter with Mike Leake.

[Larkin Fan]

Love seeing the call-ups in the lineups, but does Bryan Price ever pay attention to himself when he's speaking? Wow. lol

[Ironman92]

Lol.....yeah I was off some but I don't think anyone could've gotten closer. This is my post after last night's game.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/04/a590c20686e7c1b0146ffce279db2c31.jpg

[Ironman92]

And I can see Leake not getting out of the 3rd. He currently has 13 straight scoreless innings but he won't get that out of the first inning.

[lollipopcurve]

Looking forward to it. Would be one of the more memorable games of the year if they can actually hang in there and pull off an unlikely W.

[NeilHamburger]

Is this Price trying to send a message?

If so, what is the message? As he has said all year (including last night) that the effort was never in question. Just the results.

[PepperJack]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/redsblog/2014/09/04/090414-reds-lineup/15079635/



BALTIMORE — Bryan Price wasn't kidding on Wednesday night when he said he was going to give a chance for some other players to play.

After losing 6-0 and managing just four hits against Miguel Gonzalez, Price said:

"I do think we've got to this point where we've got some guys up here that we need to take a look at. We need to see what they're all about. We're not doing anything at all, offensively. It makes it a lot easier to start to see what we have in our system, to see what we have moving forward."

[villain612]

The season's over. Might as well play these guys.

Let's put Jay Bruce's .667 OPS season out of its misery.

[Red Raindog]

hahaha, after Price said yesterday they weren't going to play a lot of young guys. This season is hilarious.

last night must have been the final nail for Price

[PepperJack]

hahaha, after Price said yesterday they weren't going to play a lot of young guys. This season is hilarious.


Yorman is the only young position player worth giving a lot of time to that was called up.

Sometimes coaches just use coach speak, it doesn't mean much.

[texasdave]

last night must have been the final nail for Price

I really can't blame him for holding out hope for as long as possible. I am sure he knew earlier than last night. Part of me still thinks a 10-game win streak gets them back in it. But most of me knows that isn't going to happen.

[757690]

I really can't blame him for holding out hope for as long as possible. I am sure he knew earlier than last night. Part of me still thinks a 10-game win streak gets them back in it. But most of me knows that isn't going to happen.

Also, as a first year manager, he wants to finish the season with the best record possible. No one wants to start off their career with a 75 win season.

[PepperJack]

ctrent ‏@ctrent 38m
Price said he’ll play more young players against teams not in a race. O’s have 9.5 lead. Will play regulars vs. StL/Pit/Mil #Reds


So, pretty much standard operating procedure.

[Gallen5862]

The Reds game is the free game of the day on MLB.com.

[Kc61]

I wasn't going to watch. Now I'll watch a few innings.

[50YrRedsFan]

Louisville Bats vs. Balt. Orioles. This looks like it will be a competitive game.

[Larkin Fan]

The Reds game is the free game of the day on MLB.com.

Awesome. National humiliation.

[westofyou]

Let's go out there and kick some butt


7866

[toledodan]

I will probably watch long enough to see yo rod get a couple abs. Or if the reds are getting no hitted I might watch longer.I still think that's going to happen before the season ends.

[Chip R]

So, pretty much standard operating procedure.

Which is exactly what I said was going to happen.

[Gallen5862]

I am blacked out for some reason so listening on Wlw on the site.

[Chip R]

I am blacked out for some reason so listening on Wlw on the site.

I read that at first that you blacked out listening to WLW. Which would be understandable.

[Larkin Fan]

Nice play by that fan. He needs a belt though.

[Chip R]

Awesome. National humiliation.

Don't exaggerate. Not everyone in the country has MLB Network. ;)

[Larkin Fan]

Don't exaggerate. Not everyone in the country has MLB Network. ;)

There's been a number of times this season that I've wished I didn't have FS Ohio.

[Larkin Fan]

Orioles are loving Leake.

[Tom Servo]

The Orioles are good. We are not.

[757690]

Orioles are loving Leake.

Orioles love hitting off of everyone.

[Larkin Fan]

The Orioles are good. We are not.

I hope you didn't just come to this realization.

- - - Updated - - -


Orioles love hitting off of everyone.

No kidding.

[villain612]

lol

[Tom Servo]

6-0

lol leake, thanks for showing up

[Larkin Fan]

Hundley makes it 6-0.

[PepperJack]

I hate Nick Hundley. I really, really, really, do.

[Larkin Fan]

So much for that scoreless streak you had going there, Mikey. Lol

[Cedric]

Mike Leake owes everything to being drafted in the NL on a great defensive team.
Don't extend him.

[Tom Servo]

Fun fact: Due to the lack of offense, people on Redszone this year have actually claimed to miss the Reds of the Lost Decade.

Essentially they are saying they miss what just happened, because it used to happen a lot.

[Larkin Fan]

Fun fact: Due to the lack of offense, people on Redszone this year have actually claimed to miss the Reds of the Lost Decade.

Essentially they are saying they miss what just happened, because it used to happen a lot.

I miss the offense. But I sure as heck don't miss the lack of pitching.

[Tom Servo]

I miss the offense. But I sure as heck don't miss the lack of pitching.
The funny thing is though while the Lost Decade offensive production looks amazing in retrospect, only the 05 offense was a truly great. All of the other years they were middle of the pack or worse in the NL in runs scored.

[Kc61]

Too bad Reds don't have some major prospects about to come up. It would help. I'm turning on the NFL pre-game show, this was a blast.

[Tom Servo]

Mesoraco singled but that was it for the 2nd inning, for those keeping track at home. Yorman showed nice speed beating out a potential DP ball though.

[Gallen5862]

Was bumped by a power surge.

[BCubb2003]

They shouldn't have called up this Leake guy. Send him back to Pensacola.

[chuck6660]

Mesoraco singled but that was it for the 2nd inning, for those keeping track at home. Yorman showed nice speed beating out a potential DP ball though.

At least the Reds wont be embarrassed by being no-hit on National TV...:beerme:

[50YrRedsFan]

Hannahan has now struck out 10 times in 29 plate appearances since being activated.

[Larkin Fan]

The funny thing is though while the Lost Decade offensive production looks amazing in retrospect, only the 05 offense was a truly great. All of the other years they were middle of the pack or worse in the NL in runs scored.

In the context of each year, you're absolutely right. But if a middle of the pack offense were combined with the present team's starting pitching, the results of this season would look much different.

[Tom Servo]

In the context of each year, you're absolutely right. But if a middle of the pack offense were combined with the present team's starting pitching, the results of this season would look much different.
No doubt.

[Ironman92]

Schoop looks great on defense....his monster HR I assume are probably only against us.

[Ironman92]

Hannahan has now struck out 10 times in 29 plate appearances since being activated.

His 4 Hr make it worthwhile though

[tomnuetten]

the good news: this year we won´t see a heartbreaking reds post season loss :thumbup:

[oneupper]

Jake Elmore's twitter profile:

"Yogurtologist. My work clothes are always covered in dirt. I met @KKfox10 on Farmersonly dot com"

[Tom Servo]

A walk by Barnhart, a hit by Bourgeois, and a hit by Santiago to load the bases.

[Larkin Fan]

We got a run. It was by walk, but it's still a run!

[Tom Servo]

Frazier walks on 4 pitches to bring in a run. No shutout tonight!

[tomnuetten]

tztz frazier not even intending to expand the strike zone. votto 2.0 :evil:

[Ironman92]

Mike Leake owes everything to being drafted in the NL on a great defensive team.
Don't extend him.

Dynamite drop in.

So Cueto and Bailey's stats don't count?

Ridiculous post...completely absurd. Every pitcher on the staff gets the same defense.

28 starts and all at least 5 inn and no blowouts.

Sorry he doesn't throw 97 mph or miss starts.

[BCubb2003]

If walking in a run counted as an RBI, it might happen more often.

[Tom Servo]

Mes with what sounded like a big swat but only a sac fly to center. 6-2 game.

[BCubb2003]

It's going to take a whole lot of small ball.

[Roy Tucker]

NFL pre game is pretty stupid.

Our boys got their work out for them tonight. Reds seem to make teams look like the '27 Yankees these days.

[Ironman92]

Lol Welsh said he hasn't pitched well at Camden Park

[joshua]

So, how many of the guys in this lineup will end up having more career HR than Mike Leake?

[Tom Servo]

"Leake starting to settle in a bit." - Thom

*Leake gives up home run

[Ironman92]

So, how many of the guys in this lineup will end up having more career HR than Mike Leake?

I'll say 5

[Ironman92]

Schoop has 3 no-doubter HR in this series that is 2 1/2 games long

[Redsfansince72]

i say before the end of this season. Price will have all grey hair or go bald from the stress of managing a very bad team..

[Ironman92]

Leake now tied with Cueto and Simon in HR allowed

[Roy Tucker]

Trying to win Markakis a Gold Glove.

[Roy Tucker]

Thom is mailing it in too.

[Tom Servo]

Thom is mailing it in too.
How can you tell?

[Ironman92]

Predicting monster HR from Cruz

[Ironman92]

I didn't say when....

[Redsfansince72]

wish he did with the bases loaded :(

[Ironman92]

wish he did with the bases loaded :(

Yeah....so we could be tortured with an eventual 1 run loss

[Redsfansince72]

Yeah....so we could be tortured with an eventual 1 run loss

lol sad but true

[Ironman92]

This ump has been tight all night, both ways but is now getting tired and rung up poor Jack on a ball 3 inches outside

[Redsfansince72]

i still dont get why they didnt bring up Felix Perez and DFA Hannahan..

[_Sir_Charles_]

i say before the end of this season. Price will have all grey hair or go bald from the stress of managing a very bad team..

Or go back to his old job on the PGA tour.

[Roy Tucker]

I think the ump told Hannahan "you suck too bad to get any calls, chump".

[Always Red]

Hannahan has now struck out 10 times in 29 plate appearances since being activated.

Well, by your count it's now 11 out of 30.

I totally get why the young guys are playing tonight, and I'm happy to see them.

Can anyone guess or tell me why Jack Hannahan continues to play? And badly at that?

[Ironman92]

Molina with a 2 run HR to give the Brewers the lead. Cards are 5-1 in his games since his return.

[Roy Tucker]

Well, by your count it's now 11 out of 30.

I totally get why the young guys are playing tonight, and I'm happy to see them.

Can anyone guess or tell me why Jack Hannahan continues to play? And badly at that?

Let other teams scout him for when he hits .300 for someone else?

He did neither the Reds nor himself any favors playing all last year with a bum shoulder and not saying anything about it. Wasted both last and this year.

[Always Red]

Let other teams scout him for when he hits .300 for someone else?

He did neither the Reds nor himself any favors playing all last year with a bum shoulder and not saying anything about it. Wasted both last and this year.

No he didn't, which is why I don't get see why the Reds are playing him now so he can showcase himself, so maybe some team picks him up next year. The Reds owe him nothing. He owes the Reds, if anything.

[Roy Tucker]

I wonder if Jake Elmore has a brother Elwood.

[Ironman92]

I feel confident we can still lose by 1

[texasdave]

I wonder if Jake Elmore has a brother Elwood.

I was wondering if, perhaps, he works for State Farm in the off-season.

[Ironman92]

Seems like Frazier has left a 100 people on base the last 2 weeks

[texasdave]

Santiago has quietly had a nice season for a bench player.

[Roy Tucker]

A wild pitch scored on a ball 3 inches outside?

The O's catcher is falling apart.

[villain612]

Roccomatic

[Tom Servo]

Rocco! 7-6 game!

[villain612]

Aside from swinging at one bad pitch, that was a great AB

[Roy Tucker]

I think the Reds have found a scoring lineup!

[texasdave]

Devin is a bad man when he is locked in like this.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Lutzie!

[villain612]

The Big Red AAA Machine

[Roy Tucker]

Pulls everything with a vengeance.

[Larkin Fan]

Hey, these new guys are pretty good!

[Tom Servo]

Can Tucker Barnhart play some first?

[_Sir_Charles_]

I would've let Yorman hit.

[reds1869]

Just like Price planned it. :laugh:

[PepperJack]

I think Mesoraco proving what he could be, has probably been my favorite part of this season.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hey, these new guys are pretty good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR-bsTkkXVY

This is what I thought of immediately when I saw the lineup. :O)

[westofyou]

Cincinnati Reds:
Hey Buttermaker! Maybe next spring you'll teach me how to hit.

Coach Morris Buttermaker:
You bet.

[Ironman92]

Baltimore is about a 6 hour drive for me but when Price puts Hoover in the tie game in the 9th I'm fully prepared to drive there and kick him in the shin.

[villain612]

Baltimore is about a 6 hour drive for me but when Price puts Hoover in the tie game in the 9th I'm fully prepared to drive there and kick him in the shin.

I'd rather Schumacher pitch than Hoover

[Roy Tucker]

Seahawks-Packers tied 10-10 midway through the 2nd quarter.

[westofyou]

I think Mesoraco proving what he could be, has probably been my favorite part of this season.

Offensively he and TF are the only reasons to pay attention.

Starters great, I also like what Pena has brought to the team.

Everything else has crapped its pants like an old drunk at Wing Night at Hooters

[villain612]

I know the smart play is first base....but I think Parra would have had him at 2nd.

[Ironman92]

Manny!!! Throw to 2nd!

[Ironman92]

Seahawks-Packers tied 10-10 midway through the 2nd quarter.

Reported for not staying on topic

[Ironman92]

Reported for not staying on topic

I'm eating ice cream.

[WVRedsFan]

Got here late. Lecure coming in. Please be good Sam.

[klw]

Got here late. Lecure coming in. Please be good Sam.

Me too, car broke down on the way home.

[Ironman92]

Got here late. Lecure coming in. Please be good Sam.


Me too, car broke down on the way home.

We may have to ask you guys to leave

[_Sir_Charles_]

This just in...Elmore has ZERO range.

[villain612]

Exactly who I wanna see at the plate with 2 on

[Tom Servo]

Setting up nicely for a one run loss :ughmamoru:

[757690]

Price starts putting the regulars back in, and everything starts to fall apart.

[Ironman92]

This just in...Elmore has ZERO range.

He was up the middle and it didn't make a difference there wouldn't have been a play

[WVRedsFan]

Sam, Sam, Sam.

[Tom Servo]

No more LeCure, please.

[Ironman92]

Price starts putting the regulars back in, and everything starts to fall apart.

Easy to see and predict

[_Sir_Charles_]

He was up the middle and it didn't make a difference there wouldn't have been a play

Not saying he should've made the play or that Cozart would've. Just pointing out that his range flat out sucks.

[Ironman92]

No more LeCure, please.

Hasn't given up a run since August

[Roy Tucker]

This can't end well.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That conversation with Price looked hilarious. "should we bring in...uh, whatshisname?" "I don't know...sure, I guess"

[Ironman92]

Those are the worst names ever

[Ironman92]

Pink tank top keeps leaning over....Double Jugs Gun

[_Sir_Charles_]

I could watch Barnhart behind the dish all day long. Love that kid defensively. Absolutely rock solid.

[Tom Servo]

Nice pitch!

[villain612]

Sit down. That was a strike

[_Sir_Charles_]

Fantastic pitch Sammy!

[Roy Tucker]

Oh man. Barnhart gave the inside fastball sign and I couldn't watch.

Great pitch by Sam.

[Larkin Fan]

Come on Sam. Be that pitcher you used to be.

[Tom Servo]

3-0 with no where to put him...

[Tom Servo]

yeah, that's the LeCure we've come to expect. 9-7 O's.

[WVRedsFan]

Oh boy. Sam is toast.

[Larkin Fan]

Ugh.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Should've been aggressive early against Hardy. Going down 3-0 it was nearly certain they would plate a run.

[Tom Servo]

I know Price loves his guys, but the success in this game should have been an indication to continue to go in the opposite direction. Put in Corcino or that new lefty guy. Don't put in the same guys who have been getting their brains beaten in all season.

[WVRedsFan]

Time to clean out that bullpen. Send everyone but Chapman packing.

[Larkin Fan]

Either Hoover or Lecure all season long. That's the story of the 2014 bullpen.

[Roy Tucker]

Sam just doesn't have the stuff any more to challenge hitters in the zone. :(

[Larkin Fan]

I know Price loves his guys, but the success in this game should have been an indication to continue to go in the opposite direction. Put in Corcino or that new lefty guy. Don't put in the same guys who have been getting their brains beaten in all season.

That makes too much sense.

[Ironman92]

How do you throw a pinpoint pitch the whiff Davis and then go 3-0??????? Just terrible. I can't believe Price left him in. But GREAT that Sam had the best average allowed in MLB history with bases loaded.

[Tom Servo]

Time to clean out that bullpen. Send everyone but Chapman packing.
Manny's earning a couple mill so you gotta keep him, plus I think he still can be effective in the right spots, but otherwise completely agree. Chapman should be the only one on the team right now guaranteed a spot in next year's pen, everyone else has to earn it and they should move on from several guys (LeCure, Hoover, Ondrusek) entirely.

[westofyou]

I know Price loves his guys, but the success in this game should have been an indication to continue to go in the opposite direction. Put in Corcino or that new lefty guy. Don't put in the same guys who have been getting their brains beaten in all season.

Price is more buttoned down than he was portrayed, IE by the book

[_Sir_Charles_]

Time to clean out that bullpen. Send everyone but Chapman packing.

First sub-par season from LeCure...ERA isn't bad, but his WHIP has taken a hit this year. Too early to call Sam done IMO. Everybody has a bad year now and then. He's had way too much success to say he's done already IMO.

[Ironman92]

I know we can still lose by one. The rest of you give up too easily.

[lollipopcurve]

Wind came out of the sails as soon as he sent up Pena, trying to muster the Old Guard to finish the yeoman work of the younguns.

Followed by the usual 7th inning bullpen formula, blah blah blah.

Price not showing enough feel for the moment tonight.

[Larkin Fan]

Price is more buttoned down than he was portrayed, IE by the book

It's time to burn the damn book and write a new one to follow.

[Ironman92]

First sub-par season from LeCure...ERA isn't bad, but his WHIP has taken a hit this year. Too early to call Sam done IMO. Everybody has a bad year now and then. He's had way too much success to say he's done already IMO.

He's pitched a ton and those good middle guys seem to have about 3-4 good years and then just lose the ability to get anyone out when it matters. I think he's very replaceable within.

[Mutaman]

First sub-par season from LeCure...ERA isn't bad, but his WHIP has taken a hit this year. Too early to call Sam done IMO. Everybody has a bad year now and then. He's had way too much success to say he's done already IMO.

He throws 88 (on a good day) with nothing on it. Enough is enough.

[Roy Tucker]

Like never naming your farm animals, never fall in love with your middle relievers. They come, they go. Use them if effective, chuck them if not.

[villain612]

Hannahan leadoff double...


http://static.tumblr.com/c894808c1761621cc143f251da2555ef/g49zfw3/rJZmslhlr/tumblr_static_opening.gif

[Larkin Fan]

He throws 88 (on a good day) with nothing on it. Enough is enough.

His arm is toast. Can't believe they keep rolling him out there.

[Ironman92]

While at the Nationals/Orioles game we sat in front row of OF while Baltimore warmed up and this Tommy Hunter (who has struggled of late) was quite the character he talked to everyone in the row and was messing with everyone. Good guy


Now hopefully he gives up a HR

[Mutaman]

If LeCure could pitch as well as he can tweet, I might cut him some slack.

[Ironman92]

Elmore has that Janish/Schumaker power

[_Sir_Charles_]

He throws 88 (on a good day) with nothing on it. Enough is enough.

He's NEVER had high velocity. But other than this season he's also always had success. Changing speeds, pin point control...velocity isn't the end-all, be-all.

Not trying to excuse his season at all. He's been bad. Not Hoover-bad, so even putting him in the same sentence is borderline criminal. :O) But he's not somebody I'd cut loose yet. Moving him down the bullpen pecking order, sure. Dumping him, no thanks.

[Tom Servo]

First sub-par season from LeCure...ERA isn't bad, but his WHIP has taken a hit this year. Too early to call Sam done IMO. Everybody has a bad year now and then. He's had way too much success to say he's done already IMO.
I felt that way early on with LeCure struggling, but it's been all season now and he doesn't pass the eye test. Can't consistently get major league hitters out anymore.

[BCubb2003]

Like never naming your farm animals, never fall in love with your middle relievers. They come, they go. Use them if effective, chuck them if not.

What if you name your farm animals after middle relievers?

[Ironman92]

He's NEVER had high velocity. But other than this season he's also always had success. Changing speeds, pin point control...velocity isn't the end-all, be-all.

Not trying to excuse his season at all. He's been bad. Not Hoover-bad, so even putting him in the same sentence is borderline criminal. :O) But he's not somebody I'd cut loose yet. Moving him down the bullpen pecking order, sure. Dumping him, no thanks.

I'm for him and Skip switching roles.

[Roy Tucker]

Great article in the new SI about Andrew McCutcheon.

I may have to turn in my Reds card, but I like him a lot.

[Ironman92]

What if you name your farm animals after middle relievers?

Well that's just silly.

[Ironman92]

Great article in the new SI about Andrew McCutcheon.

I may have to turn in my Reds card, but I like him a lot.

He's a good one but you won't get far with him on here.

[Tom Servo]

I got nothing against Cutch except for the fact that he's a Pirate. Love him otherwise.

[Ironman92]

Diamondbacks are leading the Padres 4-0 in the 3rd

[Mutaman]

Moving him down the bullpen pecking order, sure. Dumping him, no thanks.

Time to blow up the "pecking order". This kind of mentality will lead to more of the same in 2015.

[Larkin Fan]

Cutch is awesome. I just wish he wasn't a Pirate.

[Tom Servo]

Jumbo, another better option than LeCure in the last inning.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Time to blow up the "pecking order". This kind of mentality will lead to more of the same in 2015.

I understand the frustration, I really do. But most MLB players need that stability of a set of defined roles. Some variations, sure...fine. But having SOME idea of what's expected of you and when is very helpful for most players. Especially for penners....knowing when to start getting mentally prepared to get up, it does have it's place.

[WVRedsFan]

My wife's family can't stand him and say he's a thug. They live in Pittsburgh and say he's a shady character. Who knows?

[757690]

What if you name your farm animals after middle relievers?

After Hoover blows a save, you can serve him up for dinner ;)

[Larkin Fan]

Jumbo, another better option than LeCure in the last inning.

As evidenced by how easily he cleaned up Lecure's mess.

[Ironman92]

My wife's family can't stand him and say he's a thug. They live in Pittsburgh and say he's a shady character. Who knows?

I know it's his manager and no one on here like Hurdle....but Hurdle said last season that he has been around major league ball for about 35 years and Cutch is probably the only guy that he's been around that's good enough to bat 3rd and marry his daughter.

[Roy Tucker]

Jumbo has some heat.

[Ironman92]

My wife's family can't stand him and say he's a thug. They live in Pittsburgh and say he's a shady character. Who knows?

What's your wife's family think of Josh Harrison?

[Redsfansince72]

sounds like Tom is talking about Ludwicks dumb deal..lol

[Ironman92]

Jumbo has some heat.

Did you know he lost over 70 lbs?!

[Roy Tucker]

My wife's family can't stand him and say he's a thug. They live in Pittsburgh and say he's a shady character. Who knows?

Yeah, hard to say. Article seems to be a fair portrait.

[Larkin Fan]

My wife's family can't stand him and say he's a thug. They live in Pittsburgh and say he's a shady character. Who knows?

I mean no offense to your wife's family, WV, but that seems contrary to everything I've read, seen, and heard about him. You never know I guess.

[Redsfansince72]

I know it's his manager and no one on here like Hurdle....but Hurdle said last season that he has been around major league ball for about 35 years and Cutch is probably the only guy that he's been around that's good enough to bat 3rd and marry his daughter.

LOL with Dusty you could date his daughter hit .200 and play everyday.. Sounds like Hurdle has the better option..:)

[Roy Tucker]

Did you know he lost over 70 lbs?!

And spent 10 years in the minors.

[WVRedsFan]

I know it's his manager and no one on here like Hurdle....but Hurdle said last season that he has been around major league ball for about 35 years and Cutch is probably the only guy that he's been around that's good enough to bat 3rd and marry his daughter.
Wow. Of course he is their star and I wouldn't trust Hurdle as far as I could throw him.

[Redsfansince72]

Walts fav player Hannhan.. what the heck was he doing??

[WVRedsFan]

Diaz not looking so good now.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Walts fav player Hannhan.. what the heck was he doing??

Going for the ball. Bigger question was what the heck was Diaz doing? Hannahan raced back to first after realizing Diaz never came over to cover 1st at all.

[Larkin Fan]

And spent 10 years in the minors.

And nearly ate himself out of baseball and life itself?

[Mutaman]

I understand the frustration, I really do. But most MLB players need that stability of a set of defined roles. Some variations, sure...fine. But having SOME idea of what's expected of you and when is very helpful for most players. Especially for penners....knowing when to start getting mentally prepared to get up, it does have it's place.


Frustration has nothing to do with it. The man can no longer pitch at the major league level. Time to bid sayonara to Sam.

[Tom Servo]

I mean no offense to your wife's family, WV, but that seems contrary to everything I've read, seen, and heard about him. You never know I guess.
Seconded. Never heard a bad thing about Cutch, and he grew up in suburban Florida with a father who is a minister.

[Mutaman]

My wife's family can't stand him and say he's a thug. They live in Pittsburgh and say he's a shady character. Who knows?

i have a cousin who knows a guy who has a brother-in-law who says he's a great guy.

[Roy Tucker]

Ok, never mind.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Frustration has nothing to do with it. The man can no longer pitch at the major league level. Time to bid sayonara to Sam.

Based on your opinion. What's changed about Sam? I've seen some of you say "his arm is toast" and such. He's throwing with the same velocity as he was last year, 2 years ago and 3 years ago. IMO his problem is his control is nowhere close to what it was prior to this year. Too many of his pitches are staying in the hitting zone. His walks are about the same, his K's are down a bit...it's his hits allowed that have skyrocketed.

You guys may very well be right and that his days as an effective pitcher are done. But too many times have I seen a player have ONE poor year and come right back to where they were before.

[WVRedsFan]

Seconded. Never heard a bad thing about Cutch, and he grew up in suburban Florida with a father who is a minister.
It's just unusual. The Steeler, Pirate, and Penguin stars are all worshiped in their house, but for some reason they don't think he is of good character. Beats me. And LF, don't worry about my wife's family, that are a little strange. They're Yinzers to the max and I dread going there, lol.

[Redsfansince72]

Frazier of late is looking tired and not driving or being as clutch as he was before...

[Tom Servo]

4-4 night for Rocco

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hi-C up as the tying run.

Or not. 2 solid defensive plays by the O's that inning.

[Mutaman]

Based on your professional scouting opinion?

Based on the fact that he throws 88 (on a good day) with nothing on it. We've all got our favorites (I'm a Ludwick man myself) but enough with the excuses and the rationalizations. This team is what it is because our favorites haven't gotten the job done. Changes have to be made and the bull pen is the perfect place to start.

[Redsfansince72]

figures.. now Cubs only 2 games behind the Reds in the race for last place :(

[Tom Servo]

We're still bad, but a fun game until the same old bullpen did the same old thing.

[WVRedsFan]

Hit the ball hard. Oh well.

[villain612]

Well, at least Heisey didn't pop up

[Redsfansince72]

i think if they played Houston or the Texas Rangers, they would get beat too..Reminds me of 1982 and i hated that year

[Roy Tucker]

Well, at least Heisey didn't pop up

And we didn't lose by one.

Small victories.

[Redsfansince72]

the Reds have lost the last 41 straight games when giving up 6 runs.. Tied the 1914 record..:(

[PepperJack]

Leake laying an egg, and the bullpen still being mostly bad, ruined that whole game.

Mesoraco was awesome though.

[Ironman92]

On a good note I shot a 70 on 18 holes today. My best round in 8 years.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Based on the fact that he throws 88 (on a good day) with nothing on it. We've all got our favorites (I'm a Ludwick man myself) but enough with the excuses and the rationalizations. This team is what it is because our favorites haven't gotten the job done. Changes have to be made and the bull pen is the perfect place to start.

Btw, sorry about that comment. As soon as I typed it I knew it sounded rude.

He's always thrown about 88 on his FB. And he's got good movement on it...yes, STILL. But before this year, it would start in the zone and break OUT of the zone. Now it's starting in the zone and breaking to a still hittable area. It could be nothing more than a mechanical tweek we're talking about.

Let me put it this way. We've got several guys in the pen who have a history of bad track records but who've done well in short stints. Logan, Hoover, Parra come to mind. LeCure is not in that group. He's had a history of excellence...this season is his first bad stretch at all. And let's put it in perspective too... 3.69 era, 40 k's, 18 bb. Those are average reliever numbers. Not POOR reliever numbers. He's gone from excellent to average for the first time. He's not as bad as many are remembering. Babip is something that I don't put much stock in but this season he's taken a BIG jump in that too. Since 2010, he's gone .308, .241, .297, .297 and this year .348. One of those things are not like the others.

Considering how much leeway many of the other guys have gotten over the years, I think we can give LeCure a mulligan on this season....same as Bruce.

[Redsfansince72]

wonder if they get 15,000 per game starting this weekend..

[Roy Tucker]

wonder if they get 15,000 per game starting this weekend..

I got tickets for Monday night. That's 2.

[Mutaman]

Considering how much leeway many of the other guys have gotten over the years, I think we can give LeCure a mulligan on this season....same as Bruce.

Not sure who's gotten "leeway" and I'm not about to give "mulligans" to anyone after this miserable year. We don't have any choice with Bruce, what can we do except hope for the best? We sure can't trade him off this season.

But even with the injuries and the offensive woes, this team could have still been halfway competitive if the veterans in the bullpen had stepped up and done their jobs. Changes have to be made. I really have seen enough of LeCure and Hoover to last a lifetime.

And i can't believe I'm sitting here arguing about Sam friggin LeCure on yet another night when he failed to get his job done.

[westofyou]

the Reds have lost the last 41 straight games when giving up 6 runs.. Tied the 1914 record..:(

Damn that Buck Herzog.

[BLEEDS]

And I can see Leake not getting out of the 3rd. He currently has 13 straight scoreless innings but he won't get that out of the first inning.

Nosferatu?!

PEACE

-BLEEDS