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klw
09-06-2014, 01:11 PM
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757690
09-06-2014, 01:41 PM
Glad to see Price play the vets against the pennant contending Mets ;)

KittyDuran
09-06-2014, 02:54 PM
Need to find out what is setting off the metal detector - happened again! :(

Kc61
09-06-2014, 02:59 PM
Glad to see Price play the vets against the pennant contending Mets ;)

I think today is "help Cueto win 20" day so he is using some vets. Tomorrow I think we see Yorman, et al.

WVRedsFan
09-06-2014, 03:08 PM
Hmmm. Think I'll go watch a Fall baeball league game instead. Less frustrating.

757690
09-06-2014, 03:10 PM
I think today is "help Cueto win 20" day so he is using some vets. Tomorrow I think we see Yorman, et al.

However, the only good game the team has had in awhile, was when they started the youngsters. If I'm Cueto, I want them behind me the rest of the season.

KittyDuran
09-06-2014, 03:36 PM
German Heritage Night so that might be why Lutz is starting. ;) too bad the guys won't be donning lederhosen to lighten up the game.

KittyDuran
09-06-2014, 03:38 PM
Fay sez...

@johnfayman: #Reds are 6-3 since AS break when Cueto starts; 9-28 when he doesn't.

klw
09-06-2014, 03:42 PM
Fay sez...

PEna should catch all games. Bench Mesoroco- its the only clear answer. Bust!

KittyDuran
09-06-2014, 03:44 PM
PEna should catch all games. Bench Mesoroco- its the only clear answer. Bust!

But, but wasn't one of the games Pena was hurt and Rocco had to catch Johnny? ;)

50YrRedsFan
09-06-2014, 04:14 PM
With the outcome of this season already a foregone conclusion, why can't Price do some experimenting. Like put Mesoraco at 1st, or in LF. I am already tired of Price's way of managing, and he hasn't completed 1 season yet.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:18 PM
With the outcome of this season already a foregone conclusion, why can't Price do some experimenting. Like put Mesoraco at 1st, or in LF. I am already tired of Price's way of managing, and he hasn't completed 1 season yet.

As soon as Meso started hitting this year I said to teach him first base. At this point I'd have to see him fail there to believe he can't play it. Bruce was bad and Frazier was bad his first 10 games but is ok now.

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 04:20 PM
Lengthy first frame for Cueto, just what we needed.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:23 PM
Lengthy first frame for Cueto, just what we needed.

No runs is the key but it would be nice for a stater to see the 7th, or hell the 5th

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:24 PM
26 pitches

Over/under for Reds is 14.5

50YrRedsFan
09-06-2014, 04:25 PM
Lengthy first frame for Cueto, just what we needed.

Cueto is worn down. Last time I checked, he led MLB in innings pitched. Price needs to back him off. No point in risking injury.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:30 PM
That was worse than any base running I can remember by the Reds.....jogged 3/4 speed to first, then accelerates towards second and then gets thrown out by 25 feet....with the entire play in front of him.

Obviously Price, Smith and Hatcher's fault.

50YrRedsFan
09-06-2014, 04:31 PM
It's hard enough for this team to get hits...on the rare occasion they do, they get thrown out on the bases.:thumbdown:

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:32 PM
Cueto is worn down. Last time I checked, he led MLB in innings pitched. Price needs to back him off. No point in risking injury.

Cueto will pitch as long as he's pain free and not struggling. He may only make it 5 or so but he's fine.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:32 PM
26 pitches

Over/under for Reds is 14.5

The over won

16 pitches

Kc61
09-06-2014, 04:33 PM
That was worse than any base running I can remember by the Reds.....jogged 3/4 speed to first, then accelerates towards second and then gets thrown out by 25 feet....with the entire play in front of him.

Obviously Price, Smith and Hatcher's fault.

It's not Price's fault. But if I owned the team I would tell Price to stop the base running mistakes. Now.

Just ridiculous base running, all season.

50YrRedsFan
09-06-2014, 04:34 PM
Bruce K's for the 133rd time this year.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:34 PM
Cueto gets to the 4th and he'll pass David Price in innings

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:36 PM
It's not Price's fault. But if I owned the team I would tell Price to stop the base running mistakes. Now.

Just ridiculous base running, all season.

There was nothing aggressive about it....he jogged to first. Price is zero fault here....unless you want him to pull players after ridiculous gaffes, especially those where hustle come into play.

I'd be fine if Price went and talked to Pena about it....and every other base running mistake......and make a second and your day is over. Gotta be focused.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:38 PM
Bruce K's for the 133rd time this year.

If not for the injury and 20+ games missed he'd be pushing near the league leaders

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 04:38 PM
Lol...we suck!

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:39 PM
The WHIPS of our starters the past 3 games have been murderous

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:39 PM
Lol...we suck!

Yeah huge deficit

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 04:42 PM
Yeah huge deficit

Yeah, like we score a lot of runs. Jus saying man. I'm usually the guy who is saying come on let's go, but my confidence in this team is over for the year!

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:45 PM
Phillips with a reverse Heisey

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 04:46 PM
Got lucky on that one...never hit him

Falcon7
09-06-2014, 04:49 PM
Price is a total IDIOT! The personal catcher is total BS!

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:52 PM
Huh?

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 04:52 PM
Lutz missed a pitch I thought he would kill.

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 04:52 PM
I like Lutz but I just don't see much in him moving forward. Might as well let him play the rest of the September though to get a better gage of him.

villain612
09-06-2014, 05:15 PM
Whats the score and the summation? Im at a bar and don't wanna change my phone's browser :)

CySeymour
09-06-2014, 05:19 PM
Price is a total IDIOT! The personal catcher is total BS!

Mez can't catch 162 games a year.

malcontent
09-06-2014, 05:25 PM
How's Bruce looking these days?

malcontent
09-06-2014, 05:28 PM
That was worse than any base running I can remember by the Reds.....jogged 3/4 speed to first, then accelerates towards second and then gets thrown out by 25 feet....with the entire play in front of him.

Obviously Price, Smith and Hatcher's fault.
Pena? Again??? You've got to be kidding.

malcontent
09-06-2014, 05:30 PM
WHY did Castellini have to offer a first-time manager a 3-year deal?

:confused:

50YrRedsFan
09-06-2014, 05:32 PM
How's Bruce looking these days?

2 AB, 2 K's 134 K's for the season. Avg now at .217 .

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 05:34 PM
Price is a total IDIOT! The personal catcher is total BS!

Solid contribution as usual.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 05:35 PM
Pena? Again??? You've got to be kidding.

Is Price the idiot or the pitcher that has to have a certain catcher?

If Price is an idiot then Dusty definitely was as well. Cueto and Homer both had to have Hanigan while Meso rotted on the bench.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 05:35 PM
^^^^ sorry, wrong quote

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 05:41 PM
There is just no way Hamilton has only saved 9 runs....no way that's accurate

malcontent
09-06-2014, 05:43 PM
2 AB, 2 K's 134 K's for the season. Avg now at .217 .
You know, he may get the knee back to 100% for next year.

But I wouldn't completely count on that, much less that he's going to fix what looks like a miserable plate approach.

IMO, he should be trade bait 1A or 1B (along with either Latos or Leake).

Get some decent prospects for the two. And save the $20+ million or so they'll need for the 42-year-old shell of Joey Votto.

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 05:43 PM
There is just no way Hamilton has only saved 9 runs....no way that's accurate

One of the reasons I'm not sold on the accuracy of defensive metrics. I don't think they fully capture defensive value currently.

malcontent
09-06-2014, 05:44 PM
There is just no way Hamilton has only saved 9 runs....no way that's accurate
Especially when Heisey has saved 22.

:laugh:

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 05:46 PM
Bruce and BP just ain't no good this year.

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 05:47 PM
Especially when Heisey has saved 22.

:laugh:

Whoa. That's insanity and completely laughable.

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 05:52 PM
Lecure? Really?

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 05:53 PM
Whoa. That's insanity and completely laughable.

I can believe 9 if it's based on how many outs, who is on base etc....but no way Lagares is 21 ahead of him. I can see Lagares only 9 ahead of Heisey more than I could see BHam only having 9

Red Raindog
09-06-2014, 05:54 PM
Fay sez...

ouch -- and today we have the usual JC and the usual Reds' offense

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 05:57 PM
Go
I guess you like it? So keeping you best hitter on the bench is pure genius...

Why does it infuriate you now and not in June/July?

If Meso caught 4 of every 5 days he'd get about 128 starts...mix in 7-8 as DH.....135 starts is a good number.

I care that Meso hasn't been tried at 1st base more than I care that Pena catches Cueto

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 05:58 PM
Toddfather!

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 05:58 PM
The Toddfather

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 05:58 PM
Frazier! :jump:

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 05:59 PM
I have no idea how Frazier bails out a smidge, hits a outside curve off the outer portion of his bat 405 feet....it's unbelievable

Red Raindog
09-06-2014, 05:59 PM
Whats the score and the summation? Im at a bar and don't wanna change my phone's browser :)

Frazier just homered to CF to tie it at 1-1 in the 6th

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:00 PM
Bruce doesn't seem too happy with Frazier's HR.....man he's pressing

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 06:00 PM
Bruce and BP just ain't no good this year.

yes Bruce has had a bad year, but BP was having a solid year before he hurt his thumb. Then came back early to try and help the team. Obviously hasn't been the same. His defense tho has been stellar, as always!

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:00 PM
Gee throwing cookie

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 06:00 PM
Imagine if we have gotten the production one could reasonably have expected from Votto, Bruce, and Phillips and combined that with what Mesoraco and Frazier have done?

malcontent
09-06-2014, 06:02 PM
I care that Meso hasn't been tried at 1st base more than I care that Pena catches Cueto
That's the million-dollah question, considering that Price stuck Bruce out there for the first time in his life.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:02 PM
yes Bruce has had a bad year, but BP was having a solid year before he hurt his thumb. Then came back early to try and help the team. Obviously hasn't been the same. His defense tho has been stellar, as always!

Still confused on how he's cleared to play if it's too early. At what point do we know he's ok? After a 3 for 4 game? After a week of 10/31 with a couple HR?

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:03 PM
That's the million-dollah question, considering that Price stuck Bruce out there for the first time in his life.

More than once

malcontent
09-06-2014, 06:05 PM
Imagine if we have gotten the production one could reasonably have expected from Votto, Bruce, and Phillips and combined that with what Mesoraco and Frazier have done?
But what can we reasonably expect from any of those 3 guys in the future? Seriously.

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 06:06 PM
I guess you like it? So keeping your best hitter on the bench is pure genius...

Since you asked, I'd prefer Rocco had played some first on the days that he's not catching. But feel free continuing to assume that you actually know what I think.

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 06:07 PM
That's the million-dollah question, considering that Price stuck Bruce out there for the first time in his life.

I have no desire to see Mes at 1st base. My issue is having Frazier/Bruce play it as often as they have. pena has been solid down there. Instead we go with an extra guy in the bullpen, oh well, this season is all but over now!

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 06:07 PM
But what can we reasonably expect from any of those 3 guys in the future? Seriously.
We shall see. I think Votto is back to at least 2013 form, I expect Bruce to be back to regular career norms, and BP...no idea. Seems every season now it's some injury that he's playing through that hurts his performance.

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 06:08 PM
Unless one has a crystal ball, it's impossible to answer that question.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:08 PM
Cueto just threw a 62 mph pitch!

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 06:09 PM
Still confused on how he's cleared to play if it's too early. At what point do we know he's ok? After a 3 for 4 game? After a week of 10/31 with a couple HR?

If I remember correctly, BP said he wouldn't be completely healthy until the offseason. That was as he was coming back. I don't understand the hate that BP gets. He's a fan favorite, just not on Redszone!

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 06:11 PM
Come on fellas, get JC a W!

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:13 PM
We shall see. I think Votto is back to at least 2013 form, I expect Bruce to be back to regular career norms, and BP...no idea. Seems every season now it's some injury that he's playing through that hurts his performance.

But he's enamored for getting back so soon.

As soon as he and Molina were out with similar injuries to their hand/wrist....Welsh and Thom started on the Phillips is only going to be out 4-6 weeks and Molina 8? Then BP gets back for the Cards series and Welsh again speaks of how hard he worked to get back and Molina isn't even close.

Coming into today since Phillips has been back he has 9 hits and the Reds have had 5 wins. Since Molina came back he's also had 9 hits and the Cardinals 6 wins in the games he has played.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:15 PM
If I remember correctly, BP said he wouldn't be completely healthy until the offseason. That was as he was coming back. I don't understand the hate that BP gets. He's a fan favorite, just not on Redszone!

I don't hate him at all....I blame management for playing him when he's not helping the team (only on occasions coming back from injury) and the tv guys for blowing him up so much. My eyes tell me he's great in the field...

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 06:16 PM
Nice catch by Granderson. Hope his face is okay. Lol

malcontent
09-06-2014, 06:16 PM
Jeezus. Lutz ran his bandwagon into the ditch, got out, and set fire to it.

<cough>

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:16 PM
Insane play by Granderson

toledodan
09-06-2014, 06:16 PM
Hi C!!!

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 06:17 PM
BAM

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 06:17 PM
Heisey does the only thing that he does best!

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 06:17 PM
Hi-C! :jump:

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:17 PM
It's really somewhat impressive how many wins that Heisey has been a part of.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:18 PM
Heisey does the only thing that he does best!

Lol, does that make sense?

malcontent
09-06-2014, 06:20 PM
Hi-C gets his 2-year extension after all.

:cry:

toledodan
09-06-2014, 06:27 PM
Chapman coming into the 8th

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 06:27 PM
Lol, does that make sense?

It did when I typed it. Now? Not so much. Lol

Mutaman
09-06-2014, 06:27 PM
I don't understand the hate that BP gets. He's a fan favorite, just not on Redszone!

Redszone has their favorites and their scapegoats. Brandon happens to be in the latter category. There is no rhyme or reason.

Larkin Fan
09-06-2014, 06:31 PM
Kelch: "Got him! ... 2 and 2..." Lol

Mutaman
09-06-2014, 06:33 PM
JC has now gone at least 7 innings in 7 of his last 9 starts.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:34 PM
JC has now gone at least 7 innings in 7 of his last 9 starts.

Someone was saying he was done due to innings back in the 1st

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 06:35 PM
Redszone has their favorites and their scapegoats. Brandon happens to be in the latter category. There is no rhyme or reason.
Or, you know, Brandon has a brutal .684 OPS over the last two seasons (253 games, 1098 plate appearances).

Mutaman
09-06-2014, 06:41 PM
Or, you know, Brandon has a brutal .684 OPS over the last two seasons (253 games, 1098 plate appearances).

As I was saying, scapegoats and favorites. Brandon is the least of our problems.

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 06:42 PM
Or, you know, Brandon has a brutal .684 OPS over the last two seasons (253 games, 1098 plate appearances).

Or, BP hasn't made an error in 90+ games!

Mutaman
09-06-2014, 06:43 PM
Someone was saying he was done due to innings back in the 1st

I think he's given up an early run in his last several games, someone posts that he has hit the wall, and then he pitches 5 or 6 shutout innings. Its like clockwork.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:44 PM
Or, you know, Brandon has a brutal .684 OPS over the last two seasons (253 games, 1098 plate appearances).

.684 is not brutal as his defense is still excellent keeping him a very important player....but he's not as good as they pump him to be or as good as he thinks he is.

I still say he looks fine and the hits will come as the season winds down.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:47 PM
I think he's given up an early run in his last several games, someone posts that he has hit the wall, and then he pitches 5 or 6 shutout innings. Its like clockwork.

Being one of the elite pitchers in the league you have to be a battler....they say players shouldn't take at bats off (Votto gets this credit)....well Cueto doesn't take batters off and plugs away regardless of his stuff that day.

In the first inning you go from warming up in the pen to the game mound....and every mound is different. Also, you always face a good part of that team's lineup.

Mutaman
09-06-2014, 06:49 PM
.but he's not as good as they pump him to be or as good as he thinks he is. .

http://youtu.be/Qtw4y6A31i0http://youtu.be/Qtw4y6A31i0

toledodan
09-06-2014, 06:51 PM
Dear Lord

Mutaman
09-06-2014, 06:51 PM
http://youtu.be/Qtw4y6A31i0
http://youtu.be/Qtw4y6A31i0

Red Raindog
09-06-2014, 06:53 PM
wow -- can't believe the Reds got a call....

toledodan
09-06-2014, 06:53 PM
Love replay! Price is a genius :)

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 06:53 PM
Wow....that was crazy

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:54 PM
Or, BP hasn't made an error in 90+ games!

Heisey hasn't made an error in 217 games....and few other than me like him and he's OPSing .679 this year

Red Raindog
09-06-2014, 06:54 PM
Love replay! Price is a genius :)

I was guessing Price was just wasting a challenge as a way to Chapman a few minutes to get himself together....

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:55 PM
Good AB by Wilmer

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 06:56 PM
Seems silly how when people get on Votto, Bruce, whoever, it's just 'criticism', but when it's BP it's 'hate'.


Also Chappy, throw some damn strikes.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:56 PM
Silly good AB

toledodan
09-06-2014, 06:58 PM
Good AB by Wilmer

That was 23 year old Flores. Great abs by lots of mets

Tom Servo
09-06-2014, 06:58 PM
Had it all the way. :beerme:

toledodan
09-06-2014, 06:59 PM
A bunch of 103 mph pitches

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:59 PM
103 mph to end the game....the 3rd or 4th time he's done this record

villain612
09-06-2014, 06:59 PM
I have no data to back this up, just anecdotal but it seems that Chappy has control issues when he has to pitch a lot from the stretch.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 06:59 PM
That was 23 year old Flores. Great abs by lots of mets

I couldn't tell that due to their jerseys and under gear

Mutaman
09-06-2014, 07:03 PM
Seems silly how when people get on Votto, Bruce, whoever, it's just 'criticism', but when it's BP it's 'hate'.


Also Chappy, throw some damn strikes.


Why are you putting "hate" in quotes? Are you quoting someone?

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 07:57 PM
Heisey hasn't made an error in 217 games....and few other than me like him and he's OPSing .679 this year

Apples to oranges...BP plays a much more demanding position.

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 08:04 PM
Seems silly how when people get on Votto, Bruce, whoever, it's just 'criticism', but when it's BP it's 'hate'.


Also Chappy, throw some damn strikes.

Just my opinion, but a lot of what goes on around here, by a few posters, is hate. What reason...I have no idea could care less. Many on here do critic and that's fine, we all do it, but some do it just do it it seams like. Just like another poster said earlier, Redszone has it's whipping boys and BP is one of them. Bruce was one of them when he first came up, not so much anymore, until this season. Just frustrated I guess!

Mutaman
09-06-2014, 08:11 PM
Congratulations to johnny C. 17 wins is pretty impressive considering. Actually 17 wins is pretty impressive, period.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 08:32 PM
Apples to oranges...BP plays a much more demanding position.

Yeah...and 217 is much more than 93

59 in CF

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 08:33 PM
Congratulations to johnny C. 17 wins is pretty impressive considering. Actually 17 wins is pretty impressive, period.

In the AL he'd have a chance at the CY....right now he's need the Dodgers to free fall while Kershaw struggled about 3x

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 10:17 PM
Yeah...and 217 is much more than 93

59 in CF

Yeah, because playing the outfield is soooo much harder than playing the infield. Heisey is a part time player who plays an inning or 2, often times without even touching a ball. I'd be interested in seeing how many chances it's been since his last error. If it's even half of what BP's is, then I will concede this discussion to you!

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 10:29 PM
Yeah, because playing the outfield is soooo much harder than playing the infield. Heisey is a part time player who plays an inning or 2, often times without even touching a ball. I'd be interested in seeing how many chances it's been since his last error. If it's even half of what BP's is, then I will concede this discussion to you!

Give me 15 min

PepperJack
09-06-2014, 10:33 PM
Really nice win for the Reds today.

Cueto continues to very solid, even as the year wears on.

Great bullpen management today=everything worked out.

I don't mind Mesoraco not starting only when Cueto pitches. At least that has been the only day off he has been getting, not sitting multiple days per week.

To the posters who complain about Bruce or Frazier playing first but no Mesoraco, Bruce volunteered to go to 1B, while Mesoraco said he didn't think he could make the transition in season, but was willing to work on it in the spring. Also, Frazier has played a ton of 1B in his career. It is not a foreign position for him, not in the least.

I also agree with the posters who don't understand what seems like a protective bubble around Phillips. Complain over just about any other player, okay that's fine. But if you complain about something with Phillips, it seems like you are being accused of something much more severe.

Good job by Chapman today, to regain his composure after looking pretty shaky, was a nice sight to see.

Ironman92
09-06-2014, 10:35 PM
BP 425 consecutive chances without a charged error

Heisey 351 consecutive chances without being charged an error

dubc47834
09-06-2014, 11:29 PM
BP 425 consecutive chances without a charged error

Heisey 351 consecutive chances without being charged an error

I still think Heisey's is weak, but I'm a man of my word. I concede...lol...:beerme:

cumberlandreds
09-06-2014, 11:40 PM
Congratulations to johnny C. 17 wins is pretty impressive considering. Actually 17 wins is pretty impressive, period.

Still a decent chance at 20. I don't think a Reds pitcher has won 20 since Danny Jackson in 1988?

Mutaman
09-07-2014, 12:01 AM
I also agree with the posters who don't understand what seems like a protective bubble around Phillips. Complain over just about any other player, okay that's fine. But if you complain about something with Phillips, it seems like you are being accused of something much more severe.


What is "something much more severe" and who "accused" anybody of anything?

Mutaman
09-07-2014, 12:12 AM
Still a decent chance at 20. I don't think a Reds pitcher has won 20 since Danny Jackson in 1988?

Right. Danny had a really superb year then. Browning won 20 in 1985 (as a rookie?). Seaver had 21 but the first seven were with the Mets. The great Joey Jay won 21 in the wonderful 1961 year.

Ironman92
09-07-2014, 12:24 AM
I still think Heisey's is weak, but I'm a man of my word. I concede...lol...:beerme:

351 can't be weak....not if you want 425 to be impressive (which it clearly is)

Need another win Sunday

PepperJack
09-07-2014, 12:29 AM
351 can't be weak....not if you want 425 to be impressive (which it clearly is)

Need another win Sunday


I think there are way too many variables in errors, to really keep the streaks in perspective. I'm sure Phillips has committed what could be considered an error during his streak, and Heisey coming out of that game in Milwaukee without an error, shows the flaws in the general system.

Hopefully Latos is solid tomorrow, keeping the Reds in the game.

WVRedsFan
09-07-2014, 01:59 AM
Took the day off (I needed it) and went to Wal-Mart and Lowe's and ate out at Shoney's (think Frisch's). Had a good time, but caught the last couple of innings on Sirius. Good win even if it was against the Mets. At this point I'll take whatever win we can get. Johnny had his usual weak start with lots of pitches, but (I understand from listening to Jeff and Doug Flynn) that he got stronger as he went along. One more point. The Reds should replace someone with Doug. I really enjoy his comments and color. Note to the Reds: Do not leave Jeff to do PBP even if Marty is gone. Mercy!

Ironman92
09-07-2014, 10:50 AM
I think there are way too many variables in errors, to really keep the streaks in perspective. I'm sure Phillips has committed what could be considered an error during his streak, and Heisey coming out of that game in Milwaukee without an error, shows the flaws in the general system.

Hopefully Latos is solid tomorrow, keeping the Reds in the game.

Yeah....actually was part of my point. And also infielders playing balls off to the side "o'lay" style instead of squaring up in front of the ball.....rarely do they give those errors for anyone anymore.

Errors are not what they used to be. I remember Juan Gonzalez during his insane 104 RBI at the ASB year..remember him driving in two runs on a double but as he got to 2nd the scoreboard charged the OF with an error (on a ridiculously difficult play) and Juan pointing up to the scorer's area in anger....this was in Texas.

Now nearly everything goes to the benefit of the home player be it while hitting or defense.