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klw
09-17-2014, 04:12 PM
http://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/9-17.jpg?w=555

#Cubs lineup vs #Reds:
Coghlan LF,
Baez SS,
Rizzo 1B,
Soler RF,
Valbuena 3B,
Castillo C,
Valaika 2B,
Kalish CF,
Hendricks P



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxwfWaNIUAI3z-p.jpg:large

PepperJack
09-17-2014, 05:11 PM
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/redsblog/2014/09/17/five-of-nine-starters-are-call-ups/15789671/



Four of the nine are September call-ups. They are not likely to do much worse than the lineup last night. The Reds, of course, were shut out on one hit.

And, as super stat man Joel Luckhaupt pointed out on Twitter, this isn't that much different than the regular Reds lineup in terms of numbers: "Tonight's lineup .235/.302/.353 in the big leagues this year, which is basically the same as the team's .238/.298/.365 line."

Chip R
09-17-2014, 06:30 PM
They can't do much worse. They may even score a run.

BillDoran
09-17-2014, 06:35 PM
Sad part is not many are actually young'uns, nor legitimate prospects. Yorman, certainly. Lutz and Barnhart, sure. Corcino, maybe.

Realistically, that lineup's just a bunch of dreck.

PepperJack
09-17-2014, 06:48 PM
John Fay @johnfayman · 12s
Votto's been very impressive in batting practice today. Looks like old Votto. #reds

cumberlandreds
09-17-2014, 06:56 PM
Did the Reds charge a AAA admission to tonight's game? Because that is a AAA lineup. I'm glad Yorman, Lutz and Corcino are playing. The others are dreck like billdoran said.

texasdave
09-17-2014, 07:10 PM
Yorman goes deep. Mark it down.

Chip R
09-17-2014, 07:39 PM
Did the Reds charge a AAA admission to tonight's game? Because that is a AAA lineup. I'm glad Yorman, Lutz and Corcino are playing. The others are dreck like billdoran said.

I doubt it since this is a home game for the Cubs. ;)

BCubb2003
09-17-2014, 07:45 PM
If it weren't against the Cubs it would be a threat to the integrity of the game if the regulars were any better.

klw
09-17-2014, 08:08 PM
Negron starts things off with a double.

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And then they give away an out.

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1-0 as YRod gets him in with the ground out.

Red Raindog
09-17-2014, 08:08 PM
already a better showing---

klw
09-17-2014, 08:09 PM
I hope somebody tells these guys they can take a pitch. They score a run but are out on 6 pitches.

Chip R
09-17-2014, 08:18 PM
Corcino's throwing a lot of pitches.

RedsManRick
09-17-2014, 08:19 PM
I'm certainly no scout, but it seems like Corinco can't keep a consistent release point. I know he's supposed to be Cueto Jr. but he reminds me more Volquez -- a lot of effort and not really sure where it's going.

Chip R
09-17-2014, 08:23 PM
I'm certainly no scout, but it seems like Corinco can't keep a consistent release point. I know he's supposed to be Cueto Jr. but he reminds me more Volquez -- a lot of effort and not really sure where it's going.

Well, Cueto wasn't exactly Cueto when he started out with the Reds. He was very frustrating at times.

texasdave
09-17-2014, 08:40 PM
Chris "Thunderstruck" Valaika ties the game at one apiece with a single, bringing home Soler. A double unties it. =(

WVRedsFan
09-17-2014, 08:47 PM
I'm going to say this and you can respond any way you want, but with the Reds being only 2.5 games out of the basement of the division, you'd think you might play most of your regulars. You'd think. Instead, Price sends out a minor league lineup--a BS lineup, virtually assuring that the Cubs win and get to 1.5 games behind us with our tough schedule coming. Complete lack of judgment. Totally insane.

klw
09-17-2014, 08:52 PM
I'm going to say this and you can respond any way you want, but with the Reds being only 2.5 games out of the basement of the division, you'd think you might play most of your regulars. You'd think. Instead, Price sends out a minor league lineup--a BS lineup, virtually assuring that the Cubs win and get to 1.5 games behind us with our tough schedule coming. Complete lack of judgment. Totally insane.

The Reds are actually 3.5 games ahead of the Cubs and the regulars (Mesoraco excepted) played yesterday and were able to manage all of one showboated double when they were already down 6 or 7 runs,

Now if you want to call something insane, I am happy to agree that having your #2 hitter sacrifice bunt on the 3rd pitch of the game is a bit crazy.

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 08:52 PM
Corcino showed up the ump a bit....he missed it but still a 1-2 count

PepperJack
09-17-2014, 08:57 PM
I'm going to say this and you can respond any way you want, but with the Reds being only 2.5 games out of the basement of the division, you'd think you might play most of your regulars. You'd think. Instead, Price sends out a minor league lineup--a BS lineup, virtually assuring that the Cubs win and get to 1.5 games behind us with our tough schedule coming. Complete lack of judgment. Totally insane.


1) It's a lost season for the Reds, if they aren't going to the playoffs, I don't care whether they finish second or fifth.

2) Price said all along that the call-ups would likely play against the teams that aren't competing for a playoff birth. These are the games that all managers play September call-ups, while using the "A team" against teams that have something to play for. Integrity of the game and whatnot.

3) I don't mean this to sound bad, because I have nothing against you at all, and I know you are a huge Reds fan, but I think sometimes that you would complain about a World Series parade. Sadly, it's been awhile since you've got to see the Reds have one.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2014, 08:58 PM
The Reds are actually 3.5 games ahead of the Cubs and the regulars (Mesoraco excepted) played yesterday and were able to manage all of one showboated double when they were already down 6 or 7 runs,
You can't argue that the "regulars" could certainly give the Reds a chance. This is just surrendering. The pitcher last night was on and you can't help that, but I find it unacceptable to give away games to see not ready for prime time players--and it's pretty obvious they are not ready--who are grossly overmatched. Many say it will give us an advantage in the draft, but finish last?

WVRedsFan
09-17-2014, 08:59 PM
1) It's a lost season for the Reds, if they aren't going to the playoffs, I don't care whether they finish second or fifth.

2) Price said all along that the call-ups would likely play against the teams that aren't competing for a playoff birth. These are the games that all managers play September call-ups, while using the "A team" against teams that have something to play for. Integrity of the game and whatnot.

3) I don't mean this to sound bad, because I have nothing against you at all, and I know you are a huge Reds fan, but I think sometimes that you would complain about a World Series parade. Sadly, it's been awhile since you've got to see the Reds have one.
I don't have a problem playing the kids, but not at almost every position. It just drives me nuts.

texasdave
09-17-2014, 09:00 PM
The Big Dead Machine rolls on. In 21 innings against the last-place Cubbies, the machine has ground out four singles and two doubles.

PepperJack
09-17-2014, 09:01 PM
You can't argue that the "regulars" could certainly give the Reds a chance. This is just surrendering. The pitcher last night was on and you can't help that, but I find it unacceptable to give away games to see not ready for prime time players--and it's pretty obvious they are not ready--who are grossly overmatched. Many say it will give us an advantage in the draft, but finish last?


This lineup has produced at levels the A squad can only dream of recently.

If Mesoraco hadn't heated back up a bit this offense would look several times worse.

Plus, Ludwick is in the game instead of Heisey, that makes you a little happy, right?

Chip R
09-17-2014, 09:03 PM
You can't argue that the "regulars" could certainly give the Reds a chance. This is just surrendering. The pitcher last night was on and you can't help that, but I find it unacceptable to give away games to see not ready for prime time players--and it's pretty obvious they are not ready--who are grossly overmatched. Many say it will give us an advantage in the draft, but finish last?

B Team: 1 Run. A Team: 0 Runs. Advantage, B Team.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2014, 09:07 PM
This lineup has produced at levels the A squad can only dream of recently.

If Mesoraco hadn't heated back up a bit this offense would look several times worse.

Plus, Ludwick is in the game instead of Heisey, that makes you a little happy, right?:).

I'm not mad, but I won't lie and have to tell you that Bryan Price is No. 1 on my hit list. Sorry, but I don't feel the love for him.

Now, I'm going to drink my beer and upgrade my phone.

texasdave
09-17-2014, 09:08 PM
B Team: 1 Run. A Team: 0 Runs. Advantage, B Team.

There are no A and B Teams. More like C and D teams.

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 09:10 PM
Kinda want to see Soler hit one of those Glenallen Hill home runs.

klw
09-17-2014, 09:16 PM
You can't argue that the "regulars" could certainly give the Reds a chance. This is just surrendering. The pitcher last night was on and you can't help that, but I find it unacceptable to give away games to see not ready for prime time players--and it's pretty obvious they are not ready--who are grossly overmatched. Many say it will give us an advantage in the draft, but finish last?

I will agree with you that the way the call-ups have been used does not make sense. They should be played a couple at a time to ease some of the pressure on them. Throwing them all into one game and then not using any of them again for a few days does not make sense at all. May as well make them wear the hazing outfits while they are at it.

WVRedsFan
09-17-2014, 09:18 PM
I will agree with you that the way the call-ups have been used does not make sense. They should be played a couple at a time to ease some of the pressure on them. Throwing them all into one game and then not using any of them again for a few days does not make sense at all. May as well make them wear the hazing outfits while they are at it.
They did. The pictures were hilarious, especially Jumbo and Hamilton.

klw
09-17-2014, 09:20 PM
They did. The pictures were hilarious, especially Jumbo and Hamilton.

I know- I meant they should make them play the game in them.

On the flip side are the Cubs- they are fielding a team tonight with even less MLB experience than the Reds.

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 09:25 PM
Good play by Lutz going back on a laser shot by Coghlin

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 09:37 PM
Yorman looking good

dougdirt
09-17-2014, 09:38 PM
Baez messed that one up, but showed the big arm to still get Ludwick. Let's make them pay for the mistake though.

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 09:38 PM
Lol....huge fail by Baez on a textbook routine DP ball by Ludwick

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 09:39 PM
Lutz hits a reverse Heisey for the 3rd out

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 10:02 PM
5th string 2nd baseman....has a hit

3rd string CF has 2 hits

3rd string catcher has 2 hits

3rd string RF has a hit

3rd string SS has a hit

Luddy, Hannahannnahannahan and Santiago all hit less

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 10:02 PM
Negron has tattooed several balls this series to zero avail....man I thought that was gone.

texasdave
09-17-2014, 10:07 PM
Nice outing by Corcino.

Do the Reds have another run or two in them?

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Negron has tattooed several balls this series to zero avail....man I thought that was gone.

Negron has shown surprising pop since coming up. You would have to imagine he makes the team in 2015.

texasdave
09-17-2014, 10:09 PM
I am not surprised the Reds have been shut down this series. Koufax, Martinez and Maddux are gonna shut a lot of teams down.

dougdirt
09-17-2014, 10:14 PM
Boy, this game thread sure is active.

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 10:17 PM
Boy, this game thread sure is active.

They haven't been much for a while

malcontent
09-17-2014, 10:18 PM
Boy, this game thread sure is active.
Are four pages a season low for a game thread?

texasdave
09-17-2014, 10:19 PM
Reds' hitters averaging less than 3 pitches per plate appearance tonight. SMH.

Ironman92
09-17-2014, 10:24 PM
Reds' hitters averaging less than 3 pitches per plate appearance tonight. SMH.

Only takes 1

50YrRedsFan
09-17-2014, 10:33 PM
I know they haven't played much, but the call ups don't really look like game changers. Doesn't look like any are major league caliber.

malcontent
09-17-2014, 10:36 PM
I know they haven't played much, but the call ups don't really look like game changers. Doesn't look like any are major league caliber.
Cubs get Lester in FA and Bryant up next year, and we're looking at the cellar, IMO.

No Meso or Frazier to PH down two in the 9th? Am I missing something here?

dougdirt
09-17-2014, 10:37 PM
I know they haven't played much, but the call ups don't really look like game changers. Doesn't look like any are major league caliber.

Generally speaking, they aren't game changers. Rodriguez is the only guy who will be among the Reds Top 10 prospects and he will be 22-years-old NEXT season. He has a chance to be a game changer. The others are potential parts.

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Cubs get Lester in FA and Bryant up next year, and we're looking at the cellar, IMO.

If we get a normal Bruce back and a healthy Votto and the pitchers are healthy we will be looking at the cellar.... from way up top.

texasdave
09-17-2014, 10:37 PM
There's the walk. Still hope. Is Rondon a lefty? Guess it doesn't matter.

50YrRedsFan
09-17-2014, 10:40 PM
Nice at bat by Bruce to end the game...............1 pitch.

malcontent
09-17-2014, 10:43 PM
If we get a normal Bruce back and a healthy Votto and the pitchers are healthy we will be looking at the cellar.... from way up top.
It could be wrong, but my crystal ball doesn't see Bruce returning to career norms.

And the thing positively clouds up when I mention Votto.

50YrRedsFan
09-17-2014, 10:44 PM
Reds now a season low 11 games under .500 at 71-82.

klw
09-17-2014, 10:49 PM
With this loss and the Pirates win the Reds are officially eliminated from the post season.

Roy Tucker
09-17-2014, 10:59 PM
With this loss and the Pirates win the Reds are officially eliminated from the post season.

Gloom in Roy's soul. I always hate this day. Even though I know it's inexorably coming, it still stinks when it arrives.

WVRedsFan
09-18-2014, 12:15 AM
Cubs get Lester in FA and Bryant up next year, and we're looking at the cellar, IMO.

No Meso or Frazier to PH down two in the 9th? Am I missing something here?You been reading my mail or drinking the Kool-Aid???

WVRedsFan
09-18-2014, 12:44 AM
In the 54 seasons I have been a Reds fan (almost from birth), I've suffered through 21 losing seasons. The years 1966, 1971, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1989, 1991, 1993, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2011 were frustrating, but not as frustrating as 2014. The managers who participated in this carnage were Dave Bristol, Sparky Anderson (who got fired after his first losing season), Russ Nixon, Pete Rose, Tommy Helms, Lou Peinella (the year after the World Championship), Tony Perez/Davey Johnson, Ray Knight, Jack Mackeon, Bob Boone, Dave Miley, Jerry Narron, Pete Mac, Dusty Baker, and Brian Price. I would say that 2014 is the most frustrating. Bristol, Soarky,Rose, Sweet Lou, Davey, and Baker were well-known winners, but recovered to win. the rest were fodder. Thank Gawd there were 33 wining seasons in thaty time period. I see nothing but 1997-1997-2009 in our future without wholesale changes in ownership, front office, and the dugout. I do not want to live through that period again.

cumberlandreds
09-18-2014, 07:37 AM
Sorry, I did mean to say Cubs. They have had a AAA lineup most of the season themselves.Too bad teams won't charge by the level of their play.

cumberlandreds
09-18-2014, 07:43 AM
In the 54 seasons I have been a Reds fan (almost from birth), I've suffered through 21 losing seasons. The years 1966, 1971, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1989, 1991, 1993, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2011 were frustrating, but not as frustrating as 2014. The managers who participated in this carnage were Dave Bristol, Sparky Anderson (who got fired after his first losing season), Russ Nixon, Pete Rose, Tommy Helms, Lou Peinella (the year after the World Championship), Tony Perez/Davey Johnson, Ray Knight, Jack Mackeon, Bob Boone, Dave Miley, Jerry Narron, Pete Mac, Dusty Baker, and Brian Price. I would say that 2014 is the most frustrating. Bristol, Soarky,Rose, Sweet Lou, Davey, and Baker were well-known winners, but recovered to win. the rest were fodder. Thank Gawd there were 33 wining seasons in thaty time period. I see nothing but 1997-1997-2009 in our future without wholesale changes in ownership, front office, and the dugout. I do not want to live through that period again.

Sparky wasn't fired after his first losing season. Sparky first and only losing season with the Reds was 1971. Wagner and his stupidity fired him after 1978. They finished that season,IIRC, only 3 or 4 games behind the Dodgers.
I went back and looked up 1978. Reds won 92 games that season and finshed 2.5 behind the Dodgers. Makes Wagner looked that much more of a moron.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1978/Y_1978.htm

WVRedsFan
09-18-2014, 12:33 PM
Sparky wasn't fired after his first losing season. Sparky first and only losing season with the Reds was 1971. Wagner and his stupidity fired him after 1978. They finished that season,IIRC, only 3 or 4 games behind the Dodgers.
I went back and looked up 1978. Reds won 92 games that season and finshed 2.5 behind the Dodgers. Makes Wagner looked that much more of a moron.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1978/Y_1978.htmI was working from memory, which is always a bad thing. Sorry, but your point is well taken.

cumberlandreds
09-18-2014, 01:27 PM
I was working from memory, which is always a bad thing. Sorry, but your point is well taken.

No problem. I'm younger than you but I quit relying much on memory a long time ago. :)