SEC Football Discussion #4

[dabvu2498]

Also...

http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/2015/JAN15/DBJan02.html

[Sea Ray]

jojo, it is 4th and long bro. Just punt the ball. Nobody would blame you for doing that. Take the beating and get ready for next year. You don't have a leg to stand on. This SEC envy thing is getting old, the West got their arses handed to them this year. Look at the scoreboard my friend. Just sayin'

You make it sound like this is the first prediction he made that turned out to be wrong. Where was this attitude when he said the Tenn Vols would go winless in the SEC and miss out on a Bowl? I gave him jazz for a few posts and then I let it go. No one came out and suggested he punt. Just give him jazz and move on

[Assembly Hall]

You make it sound like this is the first prediction he made that turned out to be wrong. Where was this attitude when he said the Tenn Vols would go winless in the SEC and miss out on a Bowl? I gave him jazz for a few posts and then I let it go. No one came out and suggested he punt. Just give him jazz and move on

Are you saying he also cracked on my Vols? Ut oh!

[GAC]

Once again i see Indiana is criminally underrrated. I mean with Tevin Coleman gone, I could see where maybe MAYBE they aren't a top 5 team, but thought for sure they'd be Top 10.

I told you to quit drinking the water in that state buddy! :mooner:

[Assembly Hall]

I told you to quit drinking the water in that state buddy! :mooner:

LOL......as a guy that travels quite a bit, it aint the water. It is delicious here.

[cincrazy]

I agree that you'd think that Buckeye fan would want to talk about something else. It's kinda funny that they can't help themselves.

Kind of like SEC fans for the past 7 years, am I right?

[LoganBuck]

Guaranteed 4 year scholarships passed at ACA meetings over the objections of the SEC and Big 12.

[jojo]

Kind of like SEC fans for the past 7 years, am I right?

SEC fans talk a lot about their programs. So?

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Guaranteed 4 year scholarships passed at ACA meetings over the objections of the SEC and Big 12.

Auburn already gives 4 year scholarships and has for several years.

[dabvu2498]

Auburn already gives 4 year scholarships and has for several years.

Sounds like Auburn voted against the 4 year scholarship proposal, however...


As one example, Auburn athletic director Jay Jacobs said his mind was changed during a session Saturday morning with his SEC peers, and with three SEC athletes. He said he was prepared to vote for the adoption of a proposal to require four-year scholarships. It's a popular proposal designed to provide security to athletes.

The SEC's athlete representatives took issue with a clause that would prevent schools from taking away scholarships, or in the case of sports with partial scholarships, reducing the amount of aid, from athletes for athletic underperformance.

"The student-athletes said, 'Don't do that,'" Jacobs said. "They said, 'Give them four years if you want, but … you can pull it away if the players aren't performing.'"

Jacobs said one of the athletes explained that if a teammate isn't working hard, the scholarship should instead go to someone, even a walk-on, who would work harder "and help us win championships." The SEC athletes said they were communicating a consensus of their peers, who had been surveyed on that issue and others during a recent conference call.

"That was eye-opening," Jacobs said. "You should have seen us all look at each other. We just all made the assumption that this is what (the athletes) want. But it just goes to show you how competitive they are."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/01/17/college-athletes-ncaa-convention-sec-football/21921785/

[Brutus]

Auburn already gives 4 year scholarships and has for several years.

Unless your definition of "several" means "three" including this season, then this is incorrect. Schools were not even ALLOWED to give multi-year scholarships until beginning in 2012. Until then, you could only renew an athletic scholarship on an annual basis. It may have been institution policy before that time to guarantee, verbally, a renewal, but they could not actually issue a full 4-year scholarship until 2012...when the rule took effect. Furthermore, according to CBS this past fall, Auburn only had 10 percent of its scholarship athletes on a multi-year scholarship, so it's not like they're handing them out like candy (in fairness, only a handful of school had issued a decent chunk of multi-year scholarships, so this is not to imply Auburn is alone in this regard, but it's not like they're throwing a bunch out... they're not).

[jojo]

Unless your definition of "several" means "three" including this season, then this is incorrect. Schools were not even ALLOWED to give multi-year scholarships until beginning in 2012. Until then, you could only renew an athletic scholarship on an annual basis. It may have been institution policy before that time to guarantee, verbally, a renewal, but they could not actually issue a full 4-year scholarship until 2012...when the rule took effect. Furthermore, according to CBS this past fall, Auburn only had 10 percent of its scholarship athletes on a multi-year scholarship, so it's not like they're handing them out like candy (in fairness, only a handful of school had issued a decent chunk of multi-year scholarships, so this is not to imply Auburn is alone in this regard, but it's not like they're throwing a bunch out... they're not).

Auburn already gives 4 year scholarships and has for several years.

[Sea Ray]

No talk of signing Day? As usual the SEC was strong. Tennessee got 29 guys which is fine and dandy but they've lost about 8 guys from last year's list so we'll see. I particularly found it interesting that they got 3 four star QBs. My guess is some of them will get ticked off about playing time and leave early as well. I think Dobbs is set at the starter for awhile

[dabvu2498]

This is pretty funny...

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2015/2/16/8046589/the-presidents-assigned-to-their-proper-schools

[gonelong]

This is pretty funny...

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2015/2/16/8046589/the-presidents-assigned-to-their-proper-schools

Enjoyed that.

[jimbo]

This isn't funny. Pretty despicable actually.


Malzahn apologizes after Auburn players harass female veteran

According to an AL.com report, 25-year-old Ashley Ozyurt was walking to class with her service dog on Tuesday morning when the two players "started verbally accosting her, mocking her, hissing [and] making kissing sounds [at the dog]," Shari Duval, president of K9s for Warriors, said. When asked to stop, the players reportedly responded with profanity.

Duval said the players have admitted to their role in the incident, and multiple people on Auburn's staff reached out to Ozyurt to apologize. Ozyurt says Malzahn and assistant athletic director of football David Gunn both called her on Tuesday.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/auburn-tigers-gus-malzahn-apologizes-to-female-veteran-021815

Real classy guys.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wow, what is wrong with some people?

[jojo]

This isn't funny. Pretty despicable actually.



http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/auburn-tigers-gus-malzahn-apologizes-to-female-veteran-021815

Real classy guys.

And the whole story paints a completely different picture about what actually happened. In other words, "Holy Overreaction Batman!" by a person who has a well known history of doing just that around campus.



From Reddit:

"About Auburn players harassing disabled vet (self.CFB)
submitted an hour ago * by Auburn Tigersoscarchap1

I don't post often to CFB or to reddit at all that much. Let me also say that I love our country and have many veterans in my family. Our military and veterans deserve the highest respect for being willing to give their lives so that we have our freedom. Yes, I am an Auburn fan and a student of the university, however that does not mean I cannot tell an unbiased account of the events that happened yesterday.
Yesterday, I was sitting in the bottom floor of the Haley center waiting on my girlfriend to be finished with class. Those familiar with the Haley center know that there are people constantly walking in and out of the bottom floor and there are people constantly giving tours and such. I, being the people watcher that I am, enjoy sitting, watching, and listening to the people as they walk by.
I noticed a woman walk in with dog, something I didn't find particularly unusual. A few sorority girls (no I don't know which, I'm not skilled like that) walk over to the dog to try and pet him/her. The woman was very standoffish and told the girls to get away from her animal. The girls puzzled and confused (looking somewhat offended) walked away. A few moments later, more people passed by and tried to pet the dog, much to the owners disdain.
Then two football players (apparently Dontavious Russel and Andrew Williams) walked over to the dog. They were saying things like "Here puppy" and other phrases commonly used to call a dog. As they approached the dog, one squatted down to pet him/her. Upon seeing this, the woman absolutely flipped out. I guess it was just the straw that broke the camels back. I mean, after three isolated incidents of someone messing with something of mine that I didn't want to be messed with I would be pissed too. She screamed at the players, telling them to get away. The players walked away, and like anyone who just got yelled at seemed upset for doing something so accidental were not happy and slightly embarrassed. They said "Damn, okay" and walked away. And not like DAMN ***** but like a Chris Tucker dayuum. There was no intentional harassing, there was just a girl who had been fed up with multiple people trying to pet her dog.
EDIT: Grammar
EDIT 2: I'm not trying to say who is right and who is wrong, I'm just saying what I saw happen."

http://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2wbwot/about_auburn_players_harassing_disabled_vet/

[KronoRed]

Both should be thrown out of school if that's what they did.

[RedTeamGo!]

As an avid reddit reader: anything that is said on reddit by reddit users take with a massive grain of salt.

[KronoRed]

As an avid reddit reader: anything that is said on reddit by reddit users take with a massive grain of salt.

Exactly.

Two problems with this account 1) If you try and pet someones dog without asking first, you're an idiot. 2) If the veteran is the meanie in all this, why would anyone be calling to apologize?

[RedTeamGo!]

Exactly.

Two problems with this account 1) If you try and pet someones dog without asking first, you're an idiot. 2) If the veteran is the meanie in all this, why would anyone be calling to apologize?

The biggest problem with this account is that it was posted on a website where you get upvoted by other users for "karma."

Many people view reddit as a game and try to gain as much karma as possible. Many will tell extravagant stories to receive karma and get "gold."

Posting something from reddit as fact is, to put it as lightly as possible, a mistake.

[jojo]

The biggest problem with this account is that it was posted on a website where you get upvoted by other users for "karma."

Many people view reddit as a game and try to gain as much karma as possible. Many will tell extravagant stories to receive karma and get "gold."

Posting something from reddit as fact is, to put it as lightly as possible, a mistake.

Too bad this account has been corroborated by multiple witnesses. The individual in question is unstable and has a track record. She flipped out by having two large black guys get too close to her personal space. It's a sad story but not for the reasons you want to suggest.

[fearofpopvol1]

The biggest problem with this account is that it was posted on a website where you get upvoted by other users for "karma."

Many people view reddit as a game and try to gain as much karma as possible. Many will tell extravagant stories to receive karma and get "gold."

Posting something from reddit as fact is, to put it as lightly as possible, a mistake.

If you read it on the interwebs, it must be true. OMGZ!

[jojo]

If you read it on the interwebs, it must be true. OMGZ!

Yep and that's exactly why ya have to take really shallow reporting with a grain of salt even if it's linked on foxsports.

[RedTeamGo!]

Too bad this account has been corroborated by multiple witnesses. The individual in question is unstable and has a track record. She flipped out by having two large black guys get too close to her personal space. It's a sad story but not for the reasons you want to suggest.

Were the multiple witnesses also reddit users? Did they have user names like "Auburn Tigersoscarchap1?"

All of a sudden this person is a racist?

I am not saying these two athletes are guilty, but to jump to the conclusion of calling the victim a racist and unstable because of something that was "reported" on reddit, is not the best course of action.

[jojo]

Were the multiple witnesses also reddit users? Did they have user names like "Auburn Tigersoscarchap1?"

All of a sudden this person is a racist?

I am not saying these two athletes are guilty, but to jump to the conclusion of calling the victim a racist and unstable because of something that was "reported" on reddit, is not the best course of action.

Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions by assuming that I don't actually know what I'm talking about? In other words, what may seem mysterious and impossible to understand to you might be general knowledge to someone familiar with the facts.

[RedTeamGo!]

Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions by assuming that I don't actually know what I'm talking about? In other words, what may seem mysterious and impossible to understand to you might be general knowledge to someone familiar with the facts.

I did not jump to the conclusion, in fact, I stated "I am not saying these two athletes are guilty." I asked the specific question "Were the multiple witnesses also reddit users?" If that is not the case, your answer could be "No. These were witnesses closer to the situation that I know personally" or something.

I don't know if you read reddit often, but the website is very untrustworthy, and so far all you have posted to support your claim that this disabled veteran is unstable and racist is a post from reddit by someone named "Auburn Tigersoscarchap1" and your own commentary.

[jojo]

I did not jump to the conclusion, in fact, I stated "I am not saying these two athletes are guilty." I asked the specific question "Were the multiple witnesses also reddit users?" If that is not the case, your answer could be "No. These were witnesses closer to the situation that I know personally" or something.

I don't know if you read reddit often, but the website is very untrustworthy, and so far all you have posted to support your claim that this disabled veteran is unstable and racist is a post from reddit by someone named "Auburn Tigersoscarchap1" and your own commentary.

If safe to assume that witnesses witnessed the thing.

[jimbo]

I can't find anything where "witnesses" have defended the players in any official capacity. It's all coming from online social sites, most likely from Auburn fans doing whatever it takes to defend their program. Everything I've seen and read have the head coach and his program apologizing, trying to find a way for the players to apologize personally, and saying that the players have admitted their guilt. Pretty sad that those defending these guys have to go to such extremes as ridiculing this girl and her condition.

[jojo]

I can't find anything where "witnesses" have defended the players in any official capacity. It's all coming from online social sites, most likely from Auburn fans doing whatever it takes to defend their program. Everything I've seen and read have the head coach and his program apologizing, trying to find a way for the players to apologize personally, and saying that the players have admitted their guilt. Pretty sad that those defending these guys have to go to such extremes as ridiculing this girl and her condition.

I'm sorry but your position on this issue is simply not accurate. I do understand why you're unwilling to contemplate that you're conclusion is wrong but it is and you should.

[RedTeamGo!]

I'm sorry but your position on this issue is simply not accurate. I do understand why you're unwilling to contemplate that you're conclusion is wrong but it is and you should.

Please provide proof from a source other than reddit as to why jimbo is wrong.

This is pretty extreme shenanigans. Again, we are not saying the players are guilty, but we are not seeing any proof what you posted from reddit (of all places) is grounded in reality.

[jimbo]

It's not my position. It's the position of Gus Malzahn and the Auburn football program.

[gonelong]

From what I know of the situation that lady is likely a whack-a-doodle and I would not be in a hurry to bring any action on the players. Frankly, if I was them (from what I understand of the situation) I'd probably be a bit peeved that Malzahn apologized.

Nevertheless, a single reddit post is not much of a leg to stand on.

GL

[jojo]

It's not my position. It's the position of Gus Malzahn and the Auburn football program.

It is your position.

Gus' apology did not validate her story. It simply corrected the wrong of interacting with a service dog without permission.

[jojo]

From what I know of the situation that lady is likely a whack-a-doodle and I would not be in a hurry to bring any action on the players. Frankly, if I was them (from what I understand of the situation) I'd probably be a bit peeved that Malzahn apologized.

Nevertheless, a single reddit post is not much of a leg to stand on.

GL

This is spot on. BTW, my position isn't just relying upon a redit post. This will shock some but I actually know some people. it's not going to happen because from a PR standpoint it would be a disaster and truthfully, this is such a small thing that its easier to just let it go away, but the players could probably sue her and her sister if the bigger picture wasn't more important.

[jojo]

Please provide proof from a source other than reddit as to why jimbo is wrong.

This is pretty extreme shenanigans. Again, we are not saying the players are guilty, but we are not seeing any proof what you posted from reddit (of all places) is grounded in reality.

If you were actually bothered enough to just actually check the story out, you'd be calling shenanigans on yourself and others. Not me.

[jojo]

Auburn has released a statement on the service dog story:




On Tuesday, February 17th Auburn Athletics was made aware of an incident in the lobby area of Haley Center involving two student-athletes and an interaction with a fellow student and her service dog.

Based on conversations with the students, it’s our belief that neither of the student-athletes, Andrew Williams nor Dontavius Russell, did anything with disrespectful intent. From a distance, Andrew made noises trying to get the dog’s attention. He didn't understand the purpose of the dog or realize that the student was a disabled veteran. Dontavius had no involvement in the interaction whatsoever as he was only walking to class.

Andrew offers the following message to the female student. “I want to take this opportunity to apologize for raising my voice. I was startled and totally misunderstood the situation. My mother and father who raised me both served in the military. I have tremendous respect for veterans. In the past week, I've learned a lot more about the role of service dogs for veterans and now better understand her courage to attend Auburn.”

The matter is under review by the university’s Office of Affirmative Action/Equal Employment Opportunity. We have and will continue to cooperate, and we understand the review must be allowed to follow its normal course.

Auburn has a long history of supporting the men and women who have served our country. We look forward to adding new programs and educational offerings that raise awareness about service dogs and the challenges that often impact those who serve. Both of the student-athletes affected by the incident were raised by military families and value all that Auburn does in support of the many military appreciation related activities.

https://www.facebook.com/AuburnTigers?fref=nf

[19braves77]

Not real happy with Saban's handling of all these arrest.

[jojo]

Not real happy with Saban's handling of all these arrest.

Bama is an embarrassment to the SEC indeed an embarrassment to all of NCAA football.

[Slyder]

Not real happy with Saban's handling of all these arrest.

I know everything is about perspective but if you had to choose between Bama with these recent run of arrests or FSU with all that transpired with Winston, which would you perfer? I ask as an outsider who's lost a lot of respect for Jimbo because of his handling of it.

[jojo]

I know everything is about perspective but if you had to choose between Bama with these recent run of arrests or FSU with all that transpired with Winston, which would you perfer? I ask as an outsider who's lost a lot of respect for Jimbo because of his handling of it.

Truthfully, it's not really the story that the sports media is trying to make it out to be, at least the dissection and criticism of Saban's comments aren't necessarily the fairest. They needed help big time on their D line and took a chance on an obviously bad human. They gave him a pretty restrictive set of behavior guidelines for staying in the program and he failed them and was booted, really immediately. Is it embarrassing because there is no way to spin it other than the decision to give Taylor a chance was solely about winning? Well, yes. But lets be honest. That's what modern NCAA money football is. I'm just happy that it's Bama that stepped in it so publicly. But basically there aren't many power 5 conference members who have a right to point fingers.

[19braves77]

I know everything is about perspective but if you had to choose between Bama with these recent run of arrests or FSU with all that transpired with Winston, which would you perfer? I ask as an outsider who's lost a lot of respect for Jimbo because of his handling of it.

I just find it absurd that Saban gives these people 3 chances. The problem with Alabama if you reinstate Taylor you are setting yourself up for a lawsuit if he ever harms another Alabama employee or student while on campus.

[Todd Gack]

Bama is an embarrassment to the SEC indeed an embarrassment to all of NCAA football.

Do you have a Reddit link to prove this?

[jojo]

Do you have a Reddit link to prove this?

Do you have the intellectual honesty to admit your snark is completely inappropriate given the issue it was aimed at?

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh come on, that was pretty funny.

[jojo]

8844

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/718/530/3530718.jpg

[gonelong]

Did Wash St have a kegger and 1/2 the team got arrested for underage consumption? Not too worried about that. If they have 15 DUIs, 5 sexual assaults, 2 thefts, and a homicide ... then I'm worried.

This graph has no real context, or references.

GL

[jojo]

Did Wash St have a kegger and 1/2 the team got arrested for underage consumption? Not too worried about that. If they have 15 DUIs, 5 sexual assaults, 2 thefts, and a homicide ... then I'm worried.

This graph has no real context, or references.

GL

Its arrests in power 5 conferences during the last 3 years. But there is nothing to do in Pullman. Not sure how you could get arrested there. In fact, that being the only place you could play football is a little like being arrested.

[Sea Ray]

... But there is nothing to do in Pullman.

And that differs from Auburn how?

[jojo]

And that differs from Auburn how?

Only a blind man could fail to distinguish the difference between light and dark.

[Assembly Hall]

Its arrests in power 5 conferences during the last 3 years. But there is nothing to do in Pullman. Not sure how you could get arrested there. In fact, that being the only place you could play football is a little like being arrested.

How many different sports does that graph cover? How about we put up one that shows NCAA violations over the last 20 years. Now I would be interested in that.

[Revering4Blue]

Auburn is not even listed there. What's the point in comparing Auburn, Alabama to Pullman, Washington?

[jojo]

How many different sports does that graph cover? How about we put up one that shows NCAA violations over the last 20 years. Now I would be interested in that.

Football silly. This is a football thread. What would you expect would be different concerning violations? How about vacated wins?

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Auburn is not even listed there. What's the point in comparing Auburn, Alabama to Pullman, Washington?

I thought it was especially nonsensical too.

[RedTeamGo!]

I believe Pullman is a dry campus, I do not know, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of those arrested were just alcohol related.

[Sea Ray]

I believe Pullman is a dry campus, I do not know, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of those arrested were just alcohol related.

Tennessee Knoxville is officially a dry campus too but that means little

[Sea Ray]

Auburn is not even listed there. What's the point in comparing Auburn, Alabama to Pullman, Washington?

Because they're both boring towns with little to them except for a college

[jojo]

Because they're both boring towns with little to them except for a college

You really haven't ever been to Auburn apparently.

[Cedric]

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/04/auburn_defensive_end_elijah_da_1.html

At least he's got teammates and coaches that are familiar with theft and the legal process.

[Boston Red]

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/04/auburn_defensive_end_elijah_da_1.html

At least he's got teammates and coaches that are familiar with theft and the legal process.

Daniel definitely needs to be suspended for the season opener against Louisville. Any further punishment seems unnecessary. At least as far as I'm concerned.

[jojo]

Daniel definitely needs to be suspended for the season opener against Louisville. Any further punishment seems unnecessary. At least as far as I'm concerned.

He's probably never going to play football again. He's got bigger life issues to deal with now.

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http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/04/auburn_defensive_end_elijah_da_1.html

At least he's got teammates and coaches that are familiar with theft and the legal process.

Pretty sure he's been referred to OSU for advice.

[RiverRat13]

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/04/auburn_defensive_end_elijah_da_1.html

At least he's got teammates and coaches that are familiar with theft and the legal process.

I'm sure Auburn will do with Daniel what it usually does with thieves: play him at quarterback.

[jojo]

I'm sure Auburn will do with Daniel what it usually does with thieves: play him at quarterback.

I was asked the other day which football programs have the most vacated wins. Do you know?

[gonelong]

I was asked the other day which football programs have the most vacated wins. Do you know?

If it was Michigan I still wouldn't care, but I would guess Alabama if cornered (or maybe USC). I believe they gave back PSU all its Paterno wins, or else they lead by a wide margin.

GL

[jojo]

If it was Michigan I still wouldn't care, but I would guess Alabama if cornered (or maybe USC). I believe they gave back PSU all its Paterno wins, or else they lead by a wide margin.

GL

Never mind, google says OSU is a very prominent leader. Makes sense.

[RedTeamGo!]

Never mind, google says OSU is a very prominent leader. Makes sense.

Osu had one season taken away for tattoo-gate.

Who actually cares? No one cares about Auburn having 2 QBs in 5 years that were kicked off other teams for stealing either. Are you incapable of finding humor in anything related to Auburn?

[jojo]

Osu had one season taken away for tattoo-gate.

Who actually cares?

Apparently you do because you don't see the humor in the light-hearted mention of OSU's checkered past.

[Assembly Hall]

I was asked the other day which football programs have the most vacated wins. Do you know?

I found this........

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/friv/forfeits.cgi

[gonelong]

Apparently you do because you don't see the humor in the light-hearted mention of OSU's checkered past.

<light-hearted> :)
"Checkered", would appear to me, to indicate a pattern as opposed to the occasional mark. You know, like getting banned from the post season for the 1956 season, and again for 1957, and again for 1958, and again for 1959, and again for 1960, and again for 1979, and again for 1980, and again for 1993, and again for 1994.

I guess now that I look at it, it really isn't checkered as much as one continuous, long, greasy, black smudge from the 50's through the 90's. Dang, you could fill up a Bingo card with those numbers! Let's check. O56, O57, O58, O59, & O60 ... Bingo! Yep.

GL
/but, but, we've been good since 1995! Honest!
//Careful where your chuckin' those rocks, Billy Joel.
///enjoy your weekend, it's looking like a nice one for my neck of the woods!
</light-hearted> :)
////Bless your heart. :D

[jojo]

<light-hearted> :)
"Checkered", would appear to me, to indicate a pattern as opposed to the occasional mark. You know, like getting banned from the post season for the 1956 season, and again for 1957, and again for 1958, and again for 1959, and again for 1960, and again for 1979, and again for 1980, and again for 1993, and again for 1994.

I guess now that I look at it, it really isn't checkered as much as one continuous, long, greasy, black smudge from the 50's through the 90's. Dang, you could fill up a Bingo card with those numbers! Let's check. O56, O57, O58, O59, & O60 ... Bingo! Yep.

GL
/but, but, we've been good since 1995! Honest!
//Careful where your chuckin' those rocks, Billy Joel.
///enjoy your weekend, it's looking like a nice one for my neck of the woods!
</light-hearted> :)
////Bless your heart. :D

Did you find any TRex bones in the holes you were digging? Gotta love Big Ten envy. Is the summer vacate season up there?

[RedTeamGo!]

Did you find any TRex bones in the holes you were digging? Gotta love Big Ten envy. Is the summer vacate season up there?

haha, after getting owned he has to revert to the cliche "big ten envy" even though OSU just won the first ever college football playoff championship and Wisconsin beat his beloved Auburn in the Outback Bowl.

[jojo]

haha, after getting owned he has to revert to the cliche "big ten envy" even though OSU just won the first ever college football playoff championship and Wisconsin beat his beloved Auburn in the Outback Bowl.

SECenis envy. OSU fan then goes on to brag about how OSU had to mimick the SEC inorder to compete.

I did not get owned. I get told a funny. In our lifetimes, OSU is dirty and Auburn has actually been declared clean by an NCAA investigation. Lets talk about the 50's, why? The NCAA barely sniffed Tressel and OSU had to go on a vacation. OSU fan had better hope they don't get downwind of Urban. But ya....big ten fan talked for years about how superior the big ten is and how immoral the SEC is.... then they suddenly embrace little SEC in COlumbus as if they didn't become the poster child for their previous venom. Funny in deed. Urban up fellas and just admit it.

[gonelong]

Did you find any TRex bones in the holes you were digging? Gotta love Big Ten envy. Is the summer vacate season up there?

Called it.

/but, but, we've been good since 1995! Honest!

GL

[jimbo]

Ohio State discussion in an SEC thread? I thought that was against jojo's SEC Football thread rules?

[jojo]

Called it.

/but, but, we've been good since 1995! Honest!

GL

OSU fan.....Loves their history. Wont admit SECenis envy yet suddenly embraces the SEC in Columbus. You didn't call anything except your OSU fan's hypocrisy. But again, OSU is dirty and Auburn is clean. Hate to say it, but it's just the truth, not me being mean. Seriously you can look it up on wiki.

[jojo]

Ohio State discussion in an SEC thread? I thought that was against jojo's SEC Football thread rules?

I'd think OSU fan would have better things to do but they can't help themselves but to talk about the SEC. SECenis envy, I guess.

[gonelong]

OSU fan.....Loves their history.
If you don't know your history, you are doomed to repeat it. Again, and again apparently. Think of all those marginal Auburn championships we can't consider if we only go back to 1995? Please reconsider.


Wont admit SECenis envy yet suddenly embraces the SEC in Columbus.
You clearly envy a very specific team right now. Gonna have to change your schools colors to Green if you keep this up. :)

I don't even know what you mean by embracing the SEC in Columbus. I literally have no idea what you are trying to say. Explain.


You didn't call anything except your OSU fan's hypocrisy.
Nope, *very clearly* called it. You can look it up. HypocrSEC. Has a nice ring to it. That will come in handy for most of your posts in which I am rubber and you are glue.


But again, OSU is dirty and Auburn is clean.
Ok, maybe you are getting better at this comedy stuff. Hang with it.


Hate to say it, but it's just the truth, not me being mean. Seriously you can look it up on wiki.
You love to say it, it's an opinion not the truth, and you are being mean spirited. I did look it up in the NCAA archives. And posted it.

GL
/HypocrSEC

[RedTeamGo!]

The cliche comebacks don't work right now. The first and only championship that matters was just won by a b1g team.

National Championships that matter:

B1G - 1
Everyone else - 0

Scoreboarrrrd

[jojo]

If you don't know your history, you are doomed to repeat it. Again, and again apparently. Think of all those marginal Auburn championships we can't consider if we only go back to 1995? Please reconsider.


You clearly envy a very specific team right now. Gonna have to change your schools colors to Green if you keep this up. :)

I don't even know what you mean by embracing the SEC in Columbus. I literally have no idea what you are trying to say. Explain.


Nope, *very clearly* called it. You can look it up. HypocrSEC. Has a nice ring to it. That will come in handy for most of your posts in which I am rubber and you are glue.


Ok, maybe you are getting better at this comedy stuff. Hang with it.


You love to say it, it's an opinion not the truth, and you are being mean spirited. I did look it up in the NCAA archives. And posted it.

GL
/HypocrSEC

You're funny. You know what SEC fans consider OSU fans? Bama fans that managed to learn to read. So read your archives a little harder for content. OSU is an example of a modern day dirty program. Auburn is a modern day certified clean one. In the mean time, keep your SECenis envy in your thread. And try to reconcile the hypocrisy of having to embrace all things SEC in your brand in order to have some kind of national success.

[westofyou]

I'm so glad the SEC finally achieved national success so they could rewrite history

[jojo]

I'm so glad the SEC finally achieved national success so they could rewrite history

Who is rewriting history?

[westofyou]

Who is rewriting history?

Every twenty - thirty years the population shifts in the U.S. and college football changes due to that shift.

And every time chest thumping follows that shift between the new power region and a past one.

Currently SEC fans are acting as if the game is something pure and gold there and not anywhere else, that changes a lot of narratives, including the history of the game.

It's a phallus swinging contest in its full glory.

And for the record I'm a Michigan fan who doesn't care that the SEC is the premier league in the NCAA... Today

[jojo]

Every twenty - thirty years the population shifts in the U.S. and college football changes due to that shift.

And every time chest thumping follows that shift between the new power region and a past one.

Currently SEC fans are acting as if the game is something pure and gold there and not anywhere else, that changes a lot of narratives, including the history of the game.

It's a phallus swinging contest in its full glory.

And for the record I'm a Michigan fan who doesn't care that the SEC is the premier league in the NCAA... Today

NO. SEC fan is mocking OSU's fan's SECenis envy and loving the delicious irony that they try to accuse others of HypocrSEC when their program was caught red handed in the cookie jar and their AD reacted by going all in on becoming an SEC program. It's not SEC fan who is rewriting history.

[redrum]

NO. SEC fan is mocking OSU's fan's SECenis envy and loving the delicious irony that they try to accuse others of HypocrSEC when their program was caught red handed in the cookie jar and their AD reacted by going all in on becoming an SEC program. It's not SEC fan who is rewriting history.

And yet you talk about OSU more than any other poster. Curious to say the least.

[jojo]

And yet you talk about OSU more than any other poster. Curious to say the least.

Actually no I don't and not even close. Guess how much I'd talk about OSU if it werent for SEC thread trolls? About zero except for when there was an SEC tie in.

But if you're going to troll sanctimoniously, expect your SECenis envy and HypocrSEC to be pointed out.

[RedTeamGo!]

I will bring this back to SEC discussion:

Do you think Sammy Coates would have stayed another year if he knew he would be drafted late in the 3rd round, or do you think that was probably best case scenario regardless?

Did Artis-Payne declare for the draft or is he coming back next year?

Who is likely going to be qb for Auburn next year?

Who is going to be Alabama's qb?

Who is expected to win the east and west divisiona of the SEC?

[redrum]

Actually no I don't and not even close. Guess how much I'd talk about OSU if it werent for SEC thread trolls? About zero except for when there was an SEC tie in.

But if you're going to troll sanctimoniously, expect your SECenis envy and HypocrSEC to be pointed out.

And yet in post #81, you are the one that brought up OSU and started this new round of discussion. If you don't want OSU discussion in an SEC thread, stop posting about them.

[jojo]

And yet in post #81, you are the one that brought up OSU and started this new round of discussion. If you don't want OSU discussion in an SEC thread, stop posting about them.

Better idea.....OSU trolls stop trolling.

[redrum]

Better idea.....OSU trolls stop trolling.

Stop trolling OSU and perhaps you will stop drawing their fans into your thread. It's a two way street.

[jojo]

Stop trolling OSU and perhaps you will stop drawing their fans into your thread. It's a two way street.

It's a one way street where an OSU troll got titillated by the bad news concerning a student athlete and couldn't contain his glee and need for further titillation and had to troll.

The hypocrisy of that fan base was justifiably highlighted.

If OSU fan lent like hearing the truth they shouldnt ask for It to be told to them. You'd think they'd vacate and vamoose from an sec thread.

[redrum]

It's a one way street where an OSU troll got titillated by the bad news concerning a student athlete and couldn't contain his glee and need for further titillation and had to troll.

The hypocrisy of that fan base was justifiably highlighted.

If OSU fan lent like hearing the truth they shouldnt ask for It to be told to them. You'd think they'd vacate and vamoose from an sec thread.

Are you talking about Cedric? Is he even an Ohio State fan?

I'm curious as to what truth you have told in this thread. I looked back and didn't see any.

[jojo]

Are you talking about Cedric? Is he even an Ohio State fan?

I'm curious as to what truth you have told in this thread. I looked back and didn't see any.

Here's some truth that even you'd have to capitulate to even though stubbornly refusing to do the same foe the totality of truth youre choosing to ignore. Your contribution is talking about me. Kinda boorish.

[redrum]

Here's some truth that even you'd have to capitulate to even though stubbornly refusing to do the same foe the totality of truth youre choosing to ignore. Your contribution is talking about me. Kinda boorish.

You poke people with sticks and complain when they object. Then when you are called out on anything you change the subject. Your act is tired.

[jojo]

You poke people with sticks and complain when they object. Then when you are called out on anything you change the subject. Your act is tired.

Actually, all you want to do is talk about me. Either go private or go away.

[Slyder]

I will bring this back to SEC discussion:

Do you think Sammy Coates would have stayed another year if he knew he would be drafted late in the 3rd round, or do you think that was probably best case scenario regardless?

Did Artis-Payne declare for the draft or is he coming back next year?

Who is likely going to be qb for Auburn next year?

Who is going to be Alabama's qb?

Who is expected to win the east and west divisiona of the SEC?

I thought Payne was a senior. I know he got drafted at some point yesterday.

Isn't there a committee of NFL that tells perspective players where they would "project" to be drafted? Is that information public knowledge? I know last year thre was a couple stories about them "lieing" to prospects to try and get as many as they can to declare and Brett Smith of Colorado State and others bought in.

[RedTeamGo!]

I thought Payne was a senior. I know he got drafted at some point yesterday.

Isn't there a committee of NFL that tells perspective players where they would "project" to be drafted? Is that information public knowledge? I know last year thre was a couple stories about them "lieing" to prospects to try and get as many as they can to declare and Brett Smith of Colorado State and others bought in.

I heard something about bad projections awhile back. Wouldn't be surprised if it was shady.

Artis-Payne was drafted by my Carolina Panthers around pick 170. He could work out as a 3rd down back, I liked the selection.

[jojo]

CAP was a senior and was drafted. Coates went in the third round to Pittsburgh. The surprise to me is that defensive tackles Angelo Blackson (fourth round to the Titans) and Gabe Wright (4th round to the Lions) went before center Reese Dismukes who ended up having to sign a free agent deal. Tight end C.J. Uzomah went to the Cincinnati Bengals in the fifth round. Marshall also signed a free agent deal. Dismukes though doesn't have the prototypical physique for nfl center and the two tackles sure as heck weren't drafted as pass rushers. So I guess in hind sight it makes sense. I think the Bengals are going to love Uzomah.

[RedTeamGo!]

CAP was a senior and was drafted. Coates went in the third round to Pittsburgh. The surprise to me is that defensive tackles Angelo Blackson (fourth round to the Titans) and Gabe Wright (4th round to the Lions) went before center Reese Dismukes who ended up having to sign a free agent deal. Tight end C.J. Uzomah went to the Cincinnati Bengals in the fifth round. Marshall also signed a free agent deal. Dismukes though doesn't have the prototypical physique for nfl center and the two tackles sure as heck weren't drafted as pass rushers. So I guess in hind sight it makes sense. I think the Bengals are going to love Uzomah.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you stated before Coates was making a mistake declaring for the draft, right? Do you think if he waited another year he could have been drafted higher?

Agreed on uzamoah, good late pick by the Bengals.

[Slyder]

Correct me if I am wrong, but you stated before Coates was making a mistake declaring for the draft, right? Do you think if he waited another year he could have been drafted higher?

Agreed on uzamoah, good late pick by the Bengals.

I'm not a big draft guru but heres a partial list of WR according to Walterfootball's 2016 First round mock draft:
Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
Tyler Boyd, WR, Pittsburgh
Duke Williams, WR, Auburn

All taken before 16.

And here's a positional breakdown:
http://walterfootball.com/draft2016WR.php

[RedTeamGo!]

http://www.wltx.com/story/sports/ncaa/2015/05/07/everett-golson-announces-transfer-from-notre-dame/70950974/


(USA TODAY) - Everett Golson announced Thursday he will transfer from Notre Dame for his senior season.

Speculation is he will seek out a move to an SEC school. Alabama? LSU? Auburn?

[Boston Red]

http://www.wltx.com/story/sports/ncaa/2015/05/07/everett-golson-announces-transfer-from-notre-dame/70950974/



Speculation is he will seek out a move to an SEC school. Alabama? LSU? Auburn?

To play what position? As a QB, he's awful.

[jojo]

http://www.wltx.com/story/sports/ncaa/2015/05/07/everett-golson-announces-transfer-from-notre-dame/70950974/



Speculation is he will seek out a move to an SEC school. Alabama? LSU? Auburn?

Auburn is loaded at QB. Golson wouldn't even scratch the depth chart. LSU aint hurting either.

[RedTeamGo!]

To play what position? As a QB, he's awful.

I don't think he is great or anything but he did lead an undefeated ND team to the national championship as a sophomore.

[Revering4Blue]

Auburn is loaded at QB. Golson wouldn't even scratch the depth chart. LSU aint hurting either.
Yeah, no way Golson beats out 6'5 Jeremy Johnson, who runs a 4.5 40 and has a rocket arm, at Auburn. And, sooner or later, you'd have to believe that Brandon Harris will assume control of the QB position at LSU. Alabama, where no one stepped up in the Spring at QB, makes sense, as, let's face it, Saban isn't going to be competing for NCs anymore playing a, frankly, boring play it close-to-the-vest style offensively with a game manager at QB - which is why he complains about no-huddle offenses - he needs a play-maker there.

Living in Northern Indiana, I've heard two non-SEC potential destinations mentioned: Wisconsin - Russell Wilson Pt.2? and San Diego State - A step down conference wise, but Golson spends a lot of time training in California and San Diego State runs a Pro-Style offense, which can be tailored for Golson's athleticism.

[Revering4Blue]

247Sports spoke to sources close to Everett Golson that indicated the Notre Dame transfer would most like to end up at South Carolina or Georgia. The source said that Golson wants to play his final year of eligibilty close to home, as Golson hails from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. - See more at: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/two-schools-in-the-running-for-golson-354958.html#sthash.buPbsUNU.dpuf

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/two-schools-in-the-running-for-golson-354958.html

[RedTeamGo!]

@11W: Jamel Dean, a former 2015 OSU commit who couldn't receive medical clearance, lands at Auburn. http://t.co/oVUdjWwGiK

[jojo]

@11W: Jamel Dean, a former 2015 OSU commit who couldn't receive medical clearance, lands at Auburn. http://t.co/oVUdjWwGiK

Even gimpy is much needed depth at that position. James Andrews thinks he'll be peaches and cream.

[RiverRat13]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2015/05/26/football-nick-saban-mike-slive-hugh-freeze-satellite-camps-cost-of-attendance/27980501/

[jojo]

While this is very funny, knowing Tide fans, this data is being misinterpreted. The story isn't the spike after the game. The story is that the baseline for Tide fans is actually 90 and the only thing that lowered the traffic was the game.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/06/this_is_what_happened_to_pornh.html?hootPostID=333 7fe9a52af98d694017d18f5fb8dee

http://imgick.al.com/home/bama-media/width960/img/alphotos/photo/2015/06/23/pornhub-insights-alabama-sugarbowl-hourly-traffic.png

[jojo]

Ole Miss tackle Laremy Tunsil arrested for punching stepfather

I have become a fan.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13159375/ole-miss-tackle-laremy-tunsil-arrested-domestic-violence-punching-stepfather

[Sea Ray]

While this is very funny, knowing Tide fans, this data is being misinterpreted. The story isn't the spike after the game. The story is that the baseline for Tide fans is actually 90 and the only thing that lowered the traffic was the game.



This is the whole state of Alabama. How do you know that folks from Auburn aren't contributing to this?

[jojo]

This is the whole state of Alabama. How do you know that folks from Auburn aren't contributing to this?

Because Auburn has the Creed. But, truthfully, your question belies a complete lack of understanding.

[Boston Red]

I'm fairly certain watching Alabama lose covered Auburn fans' porn quota for that particular evening.

[Sea Ray]

I'm fairly certain watching Alabama lose covered Auburn fans' porn quota for that particular evening.

Did you miss the memo that SEC fans are mandated to root for all SEC teams when playing out of conference? It's a felony to do otherwise...

[jojo]

Did you miss the memo that SEC fans are mandated to root for all SEC teams when playing out of conference? It's a felony to do otherwise...

And again, your question belies a complete lack of understanding.

[Sea Ray]

Because Auburn has the Creed. But, truthfully, your question belies a complete lack of understanding.

Either you're paying me a compliment for understanding the situation or your Auburn education has reared its ugly head. By using the word "belies" you're saying that the truth is contrary to what follows. Thus in this example you're saying that my question "is contrary to" a lack of understanding which of course means that I have a complete understanding. You'd have been better off to say that my question "belies a complete understanding...".

I'll just assume you have a complete grasp of the English language and that you're paying me a compliment.

[jojo]

Either you're paying me a compliment for understanding the situation or your Auburn education has reared its ugly head. By using the word "belies" you're saying that the truth is contrary to what follows. Thus in this example you're saying that my question "is contrary to" a lack of understanding which of course means that I have a complete understanding. You'd have been better off to say that my question "belies a complete understanding...".

I'll just assume you have a complete grasp of the English language and that you're paying me a compliment.

You speak old english apparently but I suppose rather than it belies your age lets just say it betrays it.

[jojo]

I have become a fan.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13159375/ole-miss-tackle-laremy-tunsil-arrested-domestic-violence-punching-stepfather

Well that got stupid ugly really quick....

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/olemisssports/2015/07/06/ole-miss-has-launched-investigation-into-alleged-violations/29777531/?utm_campaign=%5B%22%5B%27usatodaycomcollegefootba ll-topstories%27%5D%22%5D

[RiverRat13]

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/alabama-crimson-tide-auburn-tigers-missouri-nick-saban-gus-malzahn-pinkel-sec-excuses-072315?=_mid=288698&_rid=288698.12305.11841&cmpid=emc:fscom:cfb

[jojo]

SECenis envy.

[Sea Ray]

ESPN has ranked the QBs in the SEC and the Vols' Josh Dobbs gets the nod at #2 behind Prescott of Miss St. Yes, Vandy's QB situation was awarded the bottom rung at #14. Dobbs has sure come a long way in a year. I hope the hype is warranted

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/105065/sec-pre-season-position-rankings-qb

[gonelong]

Jojo - we don't agree on much when it comes to college football, but I thought we might find some common ground in this article. I suspect we will both find this a bit humerous.

Alabama's Defense Looking to Be the Nation's Best in 2015 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2552506-alabamas-defense-will-be-the-best-in-the-nation-in-2015)


On paper it was pretty good last year: No. 12 nationally in total defense having yielded 328.4 yards per game and third in the SEC behind LSU and Arkansas. Only Ole Miss and LSU were better in scoring defense, and Alabama was No. 30 in passing defense.

Just don’t mention that to the Crimson Tide. Not a day has gone by during this calendar year that the players haven’t heard about the end of last season: giving up 537 offensive yards and 42 points to Ohio State (although it had an interception return for a touchdown) and 630 yards and 44 points to Auburn.

“We should have put 60 on them,” Tigers coach Gus Malzahn recently told ESPN’s Chris Low, a statement that will be wallpapered in the Alabama locker room on Thanksgiving week.



GL

[jojo]

Jojo - we don't agree on much when it comes to college football, but I thought we might find some common ground in this article. I suspect we will both find this a bit humerous.

Alabama's Defense Looking to Be the Nation's Best in 2015 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2552506-alabamas-defense-will-be-the-best-in-the-nation-in-2015)


GL

I've got a different opinion on the matter than Gus. The thing that Bama's defense excelled at last season was redszone defense. Their front seven was very good but their secondary was very pedestrian. Once an offense got in side the twenty, the compressed field hid Bama's biggest sin and amplified their strengths.

Auburn torched Bama at will but basically lost the Iron Bowl inside the twenty on offense. Yes, they could've put up 60 but Bama executed better in the redszone so I'm not buying the should've. Though, lets be honest, Auburn's sin was their utter lack of pass rush because they score enough to win.

Why did OSU beat Bama? The big reason is that OSU scored alot from outside the 20 if my memory serves. Also, by the middle of the third, Bama's linebacking core was depleted. If Rueben Foster/Rashaan Evans are getting alot of snaps in the 4th quarter of a playoff game last year, it's either a blow out or an impending loss. Foster is an utter moron. I can't imagine having the fate of my team resting on whether Foster is going to make his assignment or not. Plus OSU just out executed Bama IMHO. Bama left alot of points on the field with bad QB play. There were receivers running open when the ball was thrown in bad places instead, alot. OSU pretty hit their opportunities.

But I'm also not buying that Bama is going to be a top ten defense this season. They actually have a tough schedule for once in a blue moon. They are going to lose some games.

Auburn's offense is going to torch them like kindling this year. And this isn't me being a fanboy. Barring injuries, Aubie is going be on jet fuel.

[gonelong]

Why did OSU beat Bama? The big reason is that OSU scored alot from outside the 20 if my memory serves.


From memory, they did. Early in the game OSU was inside the 5 twice and came away with FGs both times, though a fumble by QB Jones derailed one of them. I felt pretty queasy to have OSU come out of that with 6 points. OSU did score twice from inside the 20 in the first half, a short run by Elliot and the WR pass play right before the 1/2.

In the 2nd half OSUs score were all deep with a 40+ pass, a 30+ INT return, and an 85 yd run.

I think their safety Collins hurting his shoulder was key as well. He couldn't support stopping the run like he would normally. Last I heard Foster was in the mix to be a starting LB this year.

GL

[jojo]

Last I heard Foster was in the mix to be a starting LB this year.

GL

Yep. Best defense in the nation my tiger paw....

[bucksfan2]

From memory, they did. Early in the game OSU was inside the 5 twice and came away with FGs both times, though a fumble by QB Jones derailed one of them. I felt pretty queasy to have OSU come out of that with 6 points. OSU did score twice from inside the 20 in the first half, a short run by Elliot and the WR pass play right before the 1/2.

In the 2nd half OSUs score were all deep with a 40+ pass, a 30+ INT return, and an 85 yd run.

I think their safety Collins hurting his shoulder was key as well. He couldn't support stopping the run like he would normally. Last I heard Foster was in the mix to be a starting LB this year.

GL

OSU did kick two early FG's when it was goal to go, one was caused by a Jones fumble of the snap resulting in a 5 or so yard loss. Zeke did score inside the 5 on in the first and then the double reverse pass was from around the twenty.

OSU won the game in the 2nd half because of big plays, the Devin Smith TD, the INT returned for TD, then the 85 yard run through the heart of the south by Zeke. OSU's line got physical and started to control the game late in the 2nd quarter. Alabama also struggled to contain Cardale on 3rd down and when he got loose. What may have been Bama's saving grace in that game was their inside 20 defense. Had OSU converted early in the game who knows what would have happened.

[19braves77]

Sorta getting into the college football mode while looking for Alabama vs Arkansas tickets.

I kinda hope Coker doesn't win the job and it goes to someone that will the the starter for a couple of years. I would be happy with Alec Morris.

[jojo]

PAROLE TIDE!


Auburn Trounces Alabama in Iron Bowl—of Grammar
Out of the top-25 college football teams, Alabama fans make the most grammatical errors, while Auburn fans make the fewest

http://www.wsj.com/articles/auburn-trounces-alabama-in-iron-bowlof-grammar-1441063399

[Chip R]

Saban not happy at Bama?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/nick-saban-said-to-be-%E2%80%98frustrated%E2%80%99-and-unhappy-at-alabama/ar-AAdR3bv

[Sea Ray]

Saban not happy at Bama?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/nick-saban-said-to-be-%E2%80%98frustrated%E2%80%99-and-unhappy-at-alabama/ar-AAdR3bv

After winning like he has at Alabama, things generally do get stale. The pressure to continue such success builds. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he decides to try a new challenge sometime soon

[RedTeamGo!]

I don't really know where he would go. The U maybe? Oklahoma? Notre Dame?

[Sea Ray]

I don't really know where he would go. The U maybe? Oklahoma? Notre Dame?

He's got all kinds of choices. The NFL; ESPN; Or wait for another college job to open up.

[Chip R]

He's got all kinds of choices. The NFL; ESPN; Or wait for another college job to open up.

I'd say the NFL. I think any other college job would be a step down. The NFL is one place where he hasn't had success and that has to eat at a guy. But he's been around the block long enough to know that the NFL brings its own set of problems. Besides, he gets paid like an NFL coach at Bama so why leave?

[19braves77]

I would like to see Saban go to a school that is hard to recruit at just to see how good he is really. Some school like Texas Tech or Wyoming.

[jojo]

I would like to see Saban go to a school that is hard to recruit at just to see how good he is really. Some school like Texas Tech or Wyoming.

His time at Michigan State probably provides insight into how he'd do.

[IslandRed]

I would like to see Saban go to a school that is hard to recruit at just to see how good he is really. Some school like Texas Tech or Wyoming.

On the flip side, the next Alabama coach might prove just how good Saban is. It's easier to recruit at Alabama than most places, but they went through 25 years' worth of post-Bear guys with only Stallings accomplishing anything much. Texas, Florida, Michigan etc. have also proven lately that being a school where it's supposedly easy to win big doesn't mean they will. Even the biggest programs need the right coach.

Besides, if there's one thing I've learned over the years from watching coaches jump from lesser programs to bigger ones, it's this: the ability to do more with less does not always translate to doing more with more. Coaching at a name-brand school proffers a lot of advantages but it also comes with its own set of issues.

[19braves77]

Poor Vanderbilt and shame on the one SEC team that loses to them this year.

[Boston Red]

Poor Vanderbilt and shame on the one SEC team that loses to them this year.

Vandy covered the spread last night. Unfortunately.

[dabvu2498]

Poor Vanderbilt and shame on the one SEC team that loses to them this year.

I don't see it happening. And God forbid they sustain more injuries. In 20+ years of being a Vandy fan, I thought I'd seen every way to screw up a sure win as were possible. Last night proved me wrong.

Just wait til they lose to MTSU.

[jojo]

Franklin left that place worse than the Pirates organization before the saberheads were hired. Literally Vandy's program was scorched earth. It would take years to rebuild. I say Saban should go to Nashville if he truly wants a challenge.

[BluegrassRedleg]

South Carolina didn't look too hot, either. Escaped with a win, but don't think the Ol Ball Coach was too thrilled.

[dabvu2498]

South Carolina didn't look too hot, either. Escaped with a win, but don't think the Ol Ball Coach was too thrilled.

Agreed. I think we saw two schools who will have search committees come December.

[Revering4Blue]

I don't see it happening. And God forbid they sustain more injuries. In 20+ years of being a Vandy fan, I thought I'd seen every way to screw up a sure win as were possible. Last night proved me wrong.

Just wait til they lose to MTSU.

The bright side.

A purported potent offense - it was potent last year - was held to 14 points. With a break here or there, the Dores would have won outright.

[Revering4Blue]

Agreed. I think we saw two schools who will have search committees come December.

If the Ol' Ball coach leaves, it's going to be via his own accord, As for UNC, overall Fedora has done a decent job and hiring Chizk as DC was a sound move, but his in-game coaching last night - passing up a short FG to cut the lead to 1 late, for example - left a lot to be desired.

[dabvu2498]

If the Ol' Ball coach leaves, it's going to be via his own accord, As for UNC, overall Fedora has done a decent job and hiring Chizk as DC was a sound move, but his in-game coaching last night - passing up a short FG to cut the lead to 1 late, for example - left a lot to be desired.

I mean VU and USC. :)

[dabvu2498]

If the Ol' Ball coach leaves, it's going to be via his own accord, As for UNC, overall Fedora has done a decent job and hiring Chizk as DC was a sound move, but his in-game coaching last night - passing up a short FG to cut the lead to 1 late, for example - left a lot to be desired.

And WKU receivers had the drops for most of the first half. They played every bit as poorly on O as Vandy did. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever seen two teams play worse in the same game. VU just played worser.

[Revering4Blue]

I mean VU and USC. :)

Gotcha.

As for Mason, considering the state of the program when Franklin left, as Jojo pointed out, I doubt Mason will be dumped so soon. My concern with Mason when he was hired from Stanford was that he would insist on a Pro-Style / smash-mouth offense with a traditional dropback QB, which rarely works at schools out-maned talent-wise.

We may be mirroring the Widenhofer days, in a sense, in that the foundation for solid defense is there, but offense may be a problem, but I like McCrary's athleticism at Qb and it was/is a good idea to build around him, but he needs to make better decisions. That, IMO, will come in time.

[dabvu2498]

Gotcha.

As for Mason, considering the state of the program when Franklin left, as Jojo pointed out, I doubt Mason will be dumped so soon. My concern with Mason when he was hired from Stanford was that he would insist on a Pro-Style / smash-mouth offense with a traditional dropback QB, which rarely works at schools out-maned talent-wise.

We may be mirroring the Widenhofer days, in a sense, in that the foundation for solid defense is there, but offense may be a problem, but I like McCrary's athleticism at Qb and it was/is a good idea to build around him, but he needs to make better decisions. That, IMO, will come in time.

I liked most of what I saw from Ludwig's playcalling last night. Of course, anything is going to be an improvement over Karl Dorrell. McCrary really should have played every down last year, with maybe a bit of Robinette mixed in. Any offensive hopes for this season were largely dashed with the Jelks and Duncan injuries.

I lived through the Woody era. There was NFL-caliber talent on some of those teams (Chavous, Duncan, Vinson, Jordan). I just don't see it with this bunch.

And let's be honest... Franklin was largely successful at VU because he had #87 lined up wide.

[WMR]

Vandy has been Jokered.

[IslandRed]

Vandy has been Jokered.

If true, that's kind of hilarious (unless you're a Vandy fan), because he took over a Jokered program -- consecutive 2-10 seasons and they looked terrible doing it. How does a guy take a team from terrible to "awesome, considering" and then leave it terrible, all in the space of three seasons? I'm not sure I've seen anything like it.

[RedTeamGo!]

I've been watching football for 20-22 years and I have never seen a coach use a timeout in the situation Petrini did at the end of the Auburn/Louisville game. Auburn would have likely won anyways, but it's rare for the head coach to single handedly blow it for the team. So strange, to quote the TV announcer: "Inexplicable."

[dabvu2498]

Vandy has been Jokered.

Penn St. may have been as well.

[WMR]

I've been watching football for 20-22 years and I have never seen a coach use a timeout in the situation Petrini did at the end of the Auburn/Louisville game. Auburn would have likely won anyways, but it's rare for the head coach to single handedly blow it for the team. So strange, to quote the TV announcer: "Inexplicable."

Bobby is a genius.

[Boston Red]

Bobby is a genius.

He's certainly smart enough to get to 6-0 against Kentucky as Louisville ' s coach this year. Not that it's a particularly impressive feat.

[Tom Servo]

Bobby is a genius.
http://mit.zenfs.com/214/2012/04/Petrino_neck.jpg

[jojo]

Longtime Badger fan, first time caller. Thanks for taking my call.

[19braves77]

Well Roll Tide. Alabama beats Wisconsin. Jake Coker had a great game I thought. I know it's early but I will just go ahead and say it. Derrick Henry for Heisman. Need to work on the penalties. Richard Mulaney keeps the momentum he's bringing from Oregon state then he'll be a strong contender for the Biletnikoff Award in his only year at Alabama
Not sure that Wisconsin is as good as they were last year, since Melvin Gordon departed. But it was good to see Bama get back to a strong running game.

[Sea Ray]

I don't see it happening. And God forbid they sustain more injuries. In 20+ years of being a Vandy fan, I thought I'd seen every way to screw up a sure win as were possible. Last night proved me wrong.

Just wait til they lose to MTSU.

Good to see Vandy getting back to normal. This takes care of its putz fans talking trash

[dabvu2498]

Good to see Vandy getting back to normal. This takes care of its putz fans talking trash

No. Not really.

9786

[Sea Ray]

No. Not really.



Such photoshopping must really be a turn on with Vandy fans. You keep working on those. Us UT folks are going to watch football

[Sea Ray]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the SEC just set a record with 10 teams in the top 25:


The Southeastern Conference has a record 10 teams ranked in the first Associated Press college football poll of the regular season.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13609106/southeastern-conference-sets-record-10-teams-ranked-ap-top-25

It's going to be awfully tough for any of those teams to navigate its way into the playoffs, especially when they play tough non conference games like Tennessee is this weekend

The conference was 12-1 last week and beat some very highly regarded schools

[RedTeamGo!]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the SEC just set a record with 10 teams in the top 25:



http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13609106/southeastern-conference-sets-record-10-teams-ranked-ap-top-25

It's going to be awfully tough for any of those teams to navigate its way into the playoffs, especially when they play tough non conference games like Tennessee is this weekend

The conference was 12-1 last week and beat some very highly regarded schools

Not saying some SEC teams didn't play good teams, but Tennesee did not. BGSU scoring 30 against the Vols isn't something to be proud of.

Actually, now that I look at it, which highly regarded teams are you referring to?

Alabama beat a Wisconsin team in transition (Lost to graduation/NFL most of their offensive line and star running back)

Texas A&M beat a very hyped and highly regarded Arizona St team (could be fool's gold)

Auburn squeaked by Louisville with a weird QB situation and head scratching inducing Head Coach

Georgia beat Louisiana Monroe

Ole Miss beat Tennessee Martin

Arkansas beat UTEP

Missouri beat Southeast Missouri State (I honestly have never heard of this school)

Tennessee beat BGSU and gave up 30 points in the process

Miss St beat Southern Miss

Vanderbilt lost to Western Kentucky

South Carolina gave up a ton of yards and somehow squeaked by North Carolina

Florida beat something called NMSU (New Mexico State?)

The SEC is probably the best conference this year, but let's not pretend that they played a bunch of tough teams the first week, no one really did. Texas A&M probably has the best win from the first week and it was over an overhyped Arizona St team.

[dabvu2498]

Such photoshopping must really be a turn on with Vandy fans. You keep working on those. Us UT folks are going to watch football

Sometimes photoshop isn't necessary...

9790

PS: I think Lulu and Junior was a UF creation.

[Sea Ray]

Not saying some SEC teams didn't play good teams, but Tennesee did not. BGSU scoring 30 against the Vols isn't something to be proud of.

Actually, now that I look at it, which highly regarded teams are you referring to?

Alabama beat a Wisconsin team in transition (Lost to graduation/NFL most of their offensive line and star running back)

Texas A&M beat a very hyped and highly regarded Arizona St team (could be fool's gold)

Auburn squeaked by Louisville with a weird QB situation and head scratching inducing Head Coach

Georgia beat Louisiana Monroe

Ole Miss beat Tennessee Martin

Arkansas beat UTEP

Missouri beat Southeast Missouri State (I honestly have never heard of this school)

Tennessee beat BGSU and gave up 30 points in the process

Miss St beat Southern Miss

Vanderbilt lost to Western Kentucky

South Carolina gave up a ton of yards and somehow squeaked by North Carolina

Florida beat something called NMSU (New Mexico State?)

The SEC is probably the best conference this year, but let's not pretend that they played a bunch of tough teams the first week, no one really did. Texas A&M probably has the best win from the first week and it was over an overhyped Arizona St team.

You are correct that Bowling Green is not that tough. Oklahoma is another story.

Let's look at the teams the conference beat:

Wisconsin, Ar St, North Carolina and Louisville. Care to name another conference that beat any better four teams?

[Sea Ray]

Sometimes photoshop isn't necessary...



You keep posting pictures and I'll keep talking football

[Boston Red]

Care to name another conference that beat any better four teams?

The Big Ten managed losses to Temple, Marshall and BYU as well as a thrilling 48-47 win over Southern Illinois. So they've got that going for them, which is nice.

[RedTeamGo!]

You are correct that Bowling Green is not that tough. Oklahoma is another story.

Let's look at the teams the conference beat:

Wisconsin, Ar St, North Carolina and Louisville. Care to name another conference that beat any better four teams?

I think you misunderstood my point. I was responding to your statement that the sec beat a bunch of highly regarded teams. They didn't. Has nothing to do with what other conferences played.

[Boston Red]

I'd say that North Carolina, Louisville, Wisconsin and Arizona State beat out the quality wins from the rest of the other conferences combined.

[jojo]

Not saying some SEC teams didn't play good teams, but Tennesee did not. BGSU scoring 30 against the Vols isn't something to be proud of.

Actually, now that I look at it, which highly regarded teams are you referring to?

Alabama beat a Wisconsin team in transition (Lost to graduation/NFL most of their offensive line and star running back)

Texas A&M beat a very hyped and highly regarded Arizona St team (could be fool's gold)

Auburn squeaked by Louisville with a weird QB situation and head scratching inducing Head Coach

Georgia beat Louisiana Monroe

Ole Miss beat Tennessee Martin

Arkansas beat UTEP

Missouri beat Southeast Missouri State (I honestly have never heard of this school)

Tennessee beat BGSU and gave up 30 points in the process

Miss St beat Southern Miss

Vanderbilt lost to Western Kentucky

South Carolina gave up a ton of yards and somehow squeaked by North Carolina

Florida beat something called NMSU (New Mexico State?)

The SEC is probably the best conference this year, but let's not pretend that they played a bunch of tough teams the first week, no one really did. Texas A&M probably has the best win from the first week and it was over an overhyped Arizona St team.

Couldn't someone who is playing the caveat game say that OSU was headed for an embarrassing loss to an inferior team until the Hoakies lost their only passable QB?

[RedTeamGo!]

The Big Ten managed losses to Temple, Marshall and BYU as well as a thrilling 48-47 win over Southern Illinois. So they've got that going for them, which is nice.

I agree much of the b1g sucks this year, but why are you bringing the b1g up? I'm talking about the sec in the sec thread.

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Couldn't someone who is playing the caveat game say that OSU was headed for an embarrassing loss to an inferior team until the Hoakies lost their only passable QB?

Lol, keep dreaming.

I don't get it, I am talking about the sec in the sec thread and you guys always shift the convo to the b1g.

[Boston Red]

I'm far from an SEC fan by the way, but I would also note that the wins over Louisville, Wisky, UNC and Arizona State were all at neutral (or at least neutral-ish) sites.

[jojo]

I agree much of the b1g sucks this year, but why are you bringing the b1g up? I'm talking about the sec in the sec thread.

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Lol, keep dreaming.

So the answer is a resounding yes and you kind sir can take your circular logic elsewhere.

[jojo]

I'm far from an SEC fan by the way, but I would also note that the wins over Louisville, Wisky, UNC and Arizona State were all at neutral (or at least neutral-ish) sites.

I was impressed with how well Louisville traveled.

[Boston Red]

I was impressed with how well Louisville traveled.

We had a great time. Game was disappointing, but the Auburn fans were almost universally great. We did have a group give us the "S-E-C, S-E-C" chant, but they laughed and stopped when we told them, "You realize to us the SEC is Kentucky, right?"

[dabvu2498]

You keep posting pictures and I'll keep talking football

I was talking football. Then you stepped in.

[RedTeamGo!]

I'd say that North Carolina, Louisville, Wisconsin and Arizona State beat out the quality wins from the rest of the other conferences combined.

I think northwestern over stanford, BYU over Nebraska, Boise st over Washington, and va tech are comparable to those 4. TCU at Minnesota too, Minnesota has a good D.

[Sea Ray]

I think you misunderstood my point. I was responding to your statement that the sec beat a bunch of highly regarded teams. They didn't. Has nothing to do with what other conferences played.

I guess we disagree on highly regarded. AZ ST and Wisconsin were in the preseason top 20 and Louisville was ranked 32. Even Western KY got a vote in the AP poll. I'd say that qualifies as highly regarded. If you disagree then I think your standards are unrealistic and you just want to knock down the SEC

[Boston Red]

I'll give you Northwestern, BYU and Ohio State. MAYBE TCU. Washington is pretty bad, but for argument's sake let's give Boise State credit for a home win over Washington.

That's still four different conferences/independents, and I still don't think it collectively adds up to the teams the SEC beat.

[Sea Ray]

I was talking football. Then you stepped in.
So my stepping in caused you to look like a fool and post stupid pictures?

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I think northwestern over stanford, BYU over Nebraska, Boise st over Washington, and va tech are comparable to those 4. TCU at Minnesota too, Minnesota has a good D.

What's your point? That the SEC played as many quality opponents as all the other conferences combined?

[Boston Red]

Broken down further, I think it's really just the SEC West that is particularly good. Maybe Georgia emerges from the East, but it's weird having all those teams down at the same time.

[dabvu2498]

ND totally taking Texas apart was pretty impressive as well.

[RedTeamGo!]

So my stepping in caused you to look like a fool and post stupid pictures?

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What's your point? That the SEC played as many quality opponents as all the other conferences combined?

My original point was disagreeing with this comment:


The conference was 12-1 last week and beat some very highly regarded schools

The above post about non conference opponents was in response to Boston Red's statement.

[Sea Ray]

My original point was disagreeing with this comment:



The above post about non conference opponents was in response to Boston Red's statement.

I get that. My question still stands. So what was your point?

[RedTeamGo!]

Broken down further, I think it's really just the SEC West that is particularly good. Maybe Georgia emerges from the East, but it's weird having all those teams down at the same time.

After the whippin' the SEC West took in bowl games last year, idk. It will be another season of sec west teams beating up on each other and everyone in the media saying how incredible they all are.

[dabvu2498]

So my stepping in caused you to look like a fool and post stupid pictures?



I wonder why you got that reaction...


Good to see Vandy getting back to normal. This takes care of its putz fans talking trash

Talking trash about talking trash... UT logic!!!

[RedTeamGo!]

I get that. My question still stands. So what was your point?

I already said in the breakdown of the SEC's first week. I see one, maybe two highly regarded teams. Arizona St may prove to be fool's gold and Wisconsin is rebuilding. I'm not ripping on the sec for this, any team that takes on a major conference opponent in the first week should be commended. Just arguing semantics, I suppose.

[RedTeamGo!]

ND totally taking Texas apart was pretty impressive as well.

This is a good point, although ND played Texas at their absolute lowest point. Texas looks like a dumpster fire. Malik Zaire did look impressive, though.

[RedTeamGo!]

dp

[Boston Red]

After the whippin' the SEC West took in bowl games last year, idk.

The SEC West by itself had 3 of the 4 or 5 best wins of any teams in the country this past weekend. None of them at home. So far, the SEC West is earning its keep where it matters: on the field.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The football is just a week old, but the conference mudslinging is in mid season form. Congrats everyone.

[RedTeamGo!]

The SEC West by itself had 3 of the 4 or 5 best wins of any teams in the country this past weekend. None of them at home. So far, the SEC West is earning its keep where it matters: on the field.

Just out of curiosity, are you counting the South Carolina game as a neutral environment? It really wasn't, I lived in Charlotte, that is a USC city. They had an overwhelming amount of the crowd at BoA Stadium last Thursday.

[RedTeamGo!]

Dp, again.

[RedTeamGo!]

The football is just a week old, but the conference mudslinging is in mid season form. Congrats everyone.

I wasn't mudslinging, honestly. I was just disagreeing with Sea Ray's statement. Didn't expect people to immediately bring up OSU and other conferences.

SEC fans seem very defensive this year.

[Boston Red]

Just out of curiosity, are you counting the South Carolina game as a neutral environment? It really wasn't, I lived in Charlotte, that is a USC city. They had an overwhelming amount of the crowd at BoA Stadium last Thursday.

I called those games neutral-ish. I mean, that game was played in the state of North Carolina. It didn't look like a particularly hostile environment for anyone based on all the empty seats.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I wasn't mudslinging, honestly. I was just disagreeing with Sea Ray's statement. Didn't expect people to immediately bring up OSU and other conferences.

SEC fans seem very defensive this year.

I'm pretty sure a thread about ISIS could devolve into a SEC vs. Big 10 argument on this board.

[Sea Ray]

I wasn't mudslinging, honestly. I was just disagreeing with Sea Ray's statement. Didn't expect people to immediately bring up OSU and other conferences.

SEC fans seem very defensive this year.

The SEC just set a record with 10 teams in the top 25. That's quite an accomplishment...one that you haven't been able to squash

Incidentally, UT's defense does concern me. Let's see what week 2 shows us...UT vs Oklahoma and Bowling Green vs Maryland. I think UT is probably still a yr away but I think they can still have an awfully good season

[RedTeamGo!]

I called those games neutral-ish. I mean, that game was played in the state of North Carolina. It didn't look like a particularly hostile environment for anyone based on all the empty seats.

The announcer in the first quarter commented on how pro-SC the crowd was. I understand it's in North Carolina, but it's actually less than 10 miles from the South Carolina border and closer to Columbia than Chapel Hill. Also, North Carolina fans don't care about football.

[Sea Ray]

I'm pretty sure a thread about ISIS could devolve into a SEC vs. Big 10 argument on this board.

Let the record show who's defensive here. I posted a fact about today's polls and a Big Ten fan comes in trying to lessen it.

[Boston Red]

I've lived in Charlotte (and graduated from Chapel Hill), so I know the lay of the land. Even with a pro-USC crowd, that's a lot less hostile environment for Carolina than having to play in Columbia. Also, their fans screwed them.

[RedTeamGo!]

Let the record show who's defensive here. I posted a fact about today's polls and a Big Ten fan comes in trying to lessen it.

I wasn't being defensive, I was just being skeptical towards a statement you made. We all know rankings at this point of the season mean very little. At this point it's really just a popularity contest. What are they really basing the rankings on?

[Revering4Blue]

The announcer in the first quarter commented on how pro-SC the crowd was. I understand it's in North Carolina, but it's actually less than 10 miles from the South Carolina border and closer to Columbia than Chapel Hill. Also, North Carolina fans don't care about football.

The UNC fans living in the Triangle and Triad most definitely do. Other than that, I agree with your post.

[jojo]

Take home from week one.... The SEC did what it was expected to do. No other power 5 conference really can say that.

[RedTeamGo!]

Take home from week one.... The SEC did what it was expected to do. No other power 5 conference really can say that.

I agree with this statement, although, I will say the conferenceless ND did as well.

[dabvu2498]

The announcer in the first quarter commented on how pro-SC the crowd was. I understand it's in North Carolina, but it's actually less than 10 miles from the South Carolina border and closer to Columbia than Chapel Hill. Also, North Carolina fans don't care about football.

Texas A/M vs. Arizona St. in Houston wasn't perfectly neutral, either.

[Sea Ray]

I wasn't being defensive, I was just being skeptical towards a statement you made. We all know rankings at this point of the season mean very little. At this point it's really just a popularity contest. What are they really basing the rankings on?

By that standard, no one is playing "well thought of" teams. You're on record as not being impressed with the SEC's performance in week one. We'll revisit this in December and let's see how many Bowl teams the SEC defeated. I wouldn't be surprised if by that measure it turns out to be the best week of the regular season for any conference. Regardless, it'll stack up as a very good week, hence the 10 teams in the top 25

[Sea Ray]

Take home from week one.... The SEC did what it was expected to do. No other power 5 conference really can say that.

No, the Big Ten did what it was expected to do. OSU was expected to win. Minny and Mich were expected to lose

[RedTeamGo!]

No, the Big Ten did what it was expected to do. OSU was expected to win. Minny and Mich were expected to lose

I don't think Minnesota was expected to play the #2 team in the country as well as they did. I also do not think Northwestern was expected to beat Stanford.

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By that standard, no one is playing "well thought of" teams. You're on record as not being impressed with the SEC's performance in week one. We'll revisit this in December and let's see how many Bowl teams the SEC defeated. I wouldn't be surprised if by that measure it turns out to be the best week of the regular season for any conference. Regardless, it'll stack up as a very good week, hence the 10 teams in the top 25

I simply said it was not as "highly regarded" as you said. They did what they were expected to do. Rankings don't matter until the playoff rankings come out.

[Sea Ray]

I don't think Minnesota was expected to play the #2 team in the country as well as they did. I also do not think Northwestern was expected to beat Stanford.

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I simply said it was not as "highly regarded" as you said. They did what they were expected to do. Rankings don't matter until the playoff rankings come out.

Nebraska wasn't supposed to lose at home to BYU. What's your point? In sum total, the Big Ten did what it was supposed to.

I stand by that the SEC beat a lot of highly regarded teams and as the season plays out, you'll see why

[jojo]

We had a great time. Game was disappointing, but the Auburn fans were almost universally great. We did have a group give us the "S-E-C, S-E-C" chant, but they laughed and stopped when we told them, "You realize to us the SEC is Kentucky, right?"

Literally, a fan of a visiting team has no need to buy food or drink on game day if they care to be a little social and that's true for even Bama and Georgia fans.

[RedTeamGo!]

Nebraska wasn't supposed to lose at home to BYU. What's your point? In sum total, the Big Ten did what it was supposed to.

I stand by that the SEC beat a lot of highly regarded teams and as the season plays out, you'll see why

As in North Carolina and Louisville are going to set the world on fire? I guess.

[Sea Ray]

As in North Carolina and Louisville are going to set the world on fire? I guess.

They're formidable first week opponents just like Va Tech

[Tom Servo]

So Auburn is trailing 10-6 at the half...against Jacksonville State...in Auburn.

[RedTeamGo!]

@BarrettSallee: HALFTIME: Jacksonville State 10, No. 6 Auburn 6.

How is this even possible? Wow.

[KronoRed]

That's Muschamp football, don't listen to him Gus.

[Stray]

Bad Andy thinks Jeremy Johnson needs to get it together.

[dabvu2498]

Holy crap this is terrific.

[Stray]

Wow Jacksonville TD and they're up 7 late in the 4th.

[Tom Servo]

I didn't even realize Jacksonville State was in Alabama.

[Kilgore_Trout]

How is this even possible? Wow.

It shouldn't be. Not for an actual top 10 team, that is.

[Stray]

I didn't even realize Jacksonville State was in Alabama.

I didn't know that till reading this post haha. Just assumed Florida.

[JaxRed]

I didn't even realize Jacksonville State was in Alabama.

Jax State = Alabama
Jax University=Florida

[Stray]

This would be one of the biggest upsets in the history of college football. Bigger than App State over Michigan.

[JaxRed]

Did Jax just have a 15 yard punt or was there a big return?

[Stray]

Did Jax just have a 15 yard punt or was there a big return?

Punter shanked it

[JaxRed]

Collar must have been tight

[JaxRed]

Well overtime. I assume that seals Jacksonville's fate,.

[KronoRed]

Well overtime. I assume that seals Jacksonville's fate,.

They had time and a TO to try and win, play not to lose.

[JaxRed]

They had time and a TO to try and win, play not to lose.

Gutless....

[jojo]

WAR (gulp) EAGLE!!!!!

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Hats off to Jack State. They outworked the Tigers and deserved a better fate.

[RedTeamGo!]

Not that it really matters this early in the season, but I wonder how much auburn will drop in rankings. Pretty clearly not the 6th best team in the country.

[Sea Ray]

Auburn sure did not look like a top ten team. This is an example of where we can't just count wins. In some sports (hockey) this would be something less than a full win. They certainly should drop out of the top ten.

I did get a kick out of Chris Spielman and his comments on this game when Auburn was down late in the 4th qtr. During the Mich broadcast he was saying how this was worse than APP St over UM and how this means the SEC isn't as strong as people say it is, on and on. His "spiel" sure looks silly now. It was clear that he's frustrated that the Big Ten is so weak

[RedTeamGo!]

Auburn sure did not look like a top ten team. This is an example of where we can't just count wins. In some sports (hockey) this would be something less than a full win. They certainly should drop out of the top ten.

I did get a kick out of Chris Spielman and his comments on this game when Auburn was down late in the 4th qtr. During the Mich broadcast he was saying how this was worse than APP St over UM and how this means the SEC isn't as strong as people say it is, on and on. His "spiel" sure looks silly now. It was clear that he's frustrated that the Big Ten is so weak

I don't think it means the SEC is down, but I don't see how that shows he is frustrated about how weak the big ten is, especially considering his alma mater is the reigning national champion and resides in the B1G.

[jojo]

Not that it really matters this early in the season, but I wonder how much auburn will drop in rankings. Pretty clearly not the 6th best team in the country.

Auburn had alot of guys sitting and several more playing sparingly and clearly tey showed absolutely no flavor beyond vanilla on either side of the ball. Jack State is experienced and pretty good. They'd give alot teams a challenge.

Should Auburn fans be jumping up and down and beating their chests? Nah. But this game doesn't really mean as much as you're making it out to mean. Next week is the first serious test where we'll see what the what it.

[RedTeamGo!]

Auburn had alot of guys sitting and several more playing sparingly and clearly tey showed absolutely no flavor beyond vanilla on either side of the ball. Jack State is experienced and pretty good. They'd give alot teams a challenge.

Should Auburn fans be jumping up and down and beating their chests? Nah. But this game doesn't really mean as much as you're making it out to mean. Next week is the first serious test where we'll see what the what it.

Jacksonville St is not a division 1 program, 6th best team in the country should beat them by 40 at the min. I don't care how vanilla the play calling was. Not saying it means their season is over, but I think it shows their ranking is shaky at best.

[Sea Ray]

I don't think it means the SEC is down, but I don't see how that shows he is frustrated about how weak the big ten is, especially considering his alma mater is the reigning national champion and resides in the B1G.

I agree with you that he need not feel so insecure. I can't explain it

[jojo]

Jacksonville St is not a division 1 program, 6th best team in the country should beat them by 40 at the min. I don't care how vanilla the play calling was. Not saying it means their season is over, but I think it shows their ranking is shaky at best.

No ranking means squat right now. I'm just saying you're making proclamations that frankly are just metacommentary.

[jojo]

I agree with you that he need not feel so insecure. I can't explain it

Maybe you explain it because you have no clue what you're talking about? but thanks for telling me how you think I feel. I was very curious how you thought I felt. And now I know. But unfortunately you're wrong so I also know that I can't ask you how I feel if ever I find myself confused and not as self aware as I'd hope.

[RedTeamGo!]

No ranking means squat right now. I'm just saying you're making proclamations that frankly are just metacommentary.

I provided a disclaimer that the rankings don't matter this early in the season.

[RedTeamGo!]

Maybe you explain it because you have no clue what you're talking about? but thanks for telling me how you think I feel. I was very curious how you thought I felt. And now I know. But unfortunately you're wrong so I also know that I can't ask you how I feel if ever I find myself confused and not as self aware as I'd hope.

I think Sea Ray was talking about Chris Spielman.

[jojo]

I think Sea Ray was talking about Chris Spielman.

I don't see how anyone could claim Spielman is insecure.

[Assembly Hall]

What the heck jojo. Geez, do you guys got to make the "chippies" look so good?

[RiverRat13]

Next week is the first serious test where we'll see what the what it.

Word. One of the great things about the playoff system is that "style points" largely don't matter nearly as much as they used to. Had Auburn lost, then it would have been a disaster. But they didn't and if they win the SEC, they'll get in.

[Tom Servo]

Arkansas upset by Toledo, yeesh.

[RedTeamGo!]

GO ROCKETS!!!

Proud of my alma mater!

[RiverRat13]

Perhaps Bert should worry about his own schedule next time.

[jojo]

go rockets!!!

Proud of my alma mater!

sec,sec, sec!!!!

[Assembly Hall]

sec,sec, sec!!!!

over-rated, over-rated, over-rated!!!!!!!!

[Assembly Hall]

Arkansas upset by Toledo, yeesh.

Cant mess around with those MAC schools, ask Maryland.

[dabvu2498]

Perhaps Bert should worry about his own schedule next time.

He really is a horse's patoot.

Ugly game in Nashville. Vanderbilt is horrific on offense. Georgia, really, isn't all that great either.

[dabvu2498]

As in North Carolina and Louisville are going to set the world on fire? I guess.

Louisville lost to Houston today.

That will make me feel slightly better when Houson beats VU later this year.

[dabvu2498]

Arky St. is beating Mizzou at the half, btw.

SEC! SEC!