SEC Football Discussion #4

[WVRed]

Watching the Kentucky game, you wouldn't think Kentucky was playing a home game.

[jojo]

Watching the Kentucky game, you wouldn't think Kentucky was playing a home game.

Given the suspensions, I don't think much can be read into their game tonight.

[jojo]

Concerning LSU appearing emotionless, they've been emasculated and their D is gassed.

[WVRed]

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/ole-miss-couple-making-out-alabama/

Wonder how many boys that are conceived in the next 40 days will be named Bo?

[KronoRed]

The sec east is hot garbage.

[dabvu2498]

You're being too kind to hot garbage.

Part of the problem is that SEC East coaches all think they have good QBs. And all of them are wrong. Maybe Florida (switching QBs) and UK (running half their plays from the "wildcat") have started to figure it out.

[WVRed]

You're being too kind to hot garbage.

Part of the problem is that SEC East coaches all think they have good QBs. And all of them are wrong. Maybe Florida (switching QBs) and UK (running half their plays from the "wildcat") have started to figure it out.

I think Towles is more of a long term option than anything. If anything he's scratching the surface.

Scary to think Kentucky would be undefeated if not for the non call in Gainesville.

[19braves77]

Lot of pundits say this is the week you want to lose. The hope is your lose is out of memory to the playoff people when they start announcing the 4 teams every week.

[Sea Ray]

Very disappointing performance by my Vols on Saturday. You gotta score more than 9 pts at home. Their lack of a QB is killing them.

[19braves77]

Saban says they may have to alter how they evaluate high schooll prospects:

"I never thought ... that running I-formation and regular defense would be the anomaly in football."

"If we had better players as replacements, we would play them"

I think recruiting 5 9 cbs because they can adjust left and right and tackle is going to have to go. We need height and no more SS covering slot because the LB is confused.

[jojo]

Within the last day and a half, Shaq Roland was kicked off of Georgia's team after being accused of shoplifting $43 worth of stuff while Treon Harris was suspended from all team activities by Florida after being accused of sexual assault. Meanwhile Jameis Winston keeps on keeping on at Florida State.

[Cedric]

Looks like Auburn will have a stud qb in a few years

[jojo]

Looks like Auburn will have a stud qb in a few years

Unfortunately for the flaccid snarkers, auburn has the position mapped out for the next 5 years.

[WMR]

Looks like Auburn will have a stud qb in a few years

Sorry, Jurich and Bobby Moped had him on a plane within 30 minutes.

[RedTeamGo!]

Unfortunately for the flaccid snarkers, auburn has the position mapped out for the next 5 years.

Come on, that was pretty good

[Todd Gack]

Within the last day and a half, Shaq Roland was kicked off of Georgia's team after being accused of shoplifting $43 worth of stuff while Treon Harris was suspended from all team activities by Florida after being accused of sexual assault. Meanwhile Jameis Winston keeps on keeping on at Florida State.

UF players never did serve their suspensions after their first 'game.'

[Chip R]

Saban says they may have to alter how they evaluate high schooll prospects:

"I never thought ... that running I-formation and regular defense would be the anomaly in football."

"If we had better players as replacements, we would play them"

I think recruiting 5 9 cbs because they can adjust left and right and tackle is going to have to go. We need height and no more SS covering slot because the LB is confused.

Cry me a river. This guy is continually in the top 2-3 in recruiting classes and now he needs better players? Boo hoo.

[RedTeamGo!]

Haha, Saban complaining about the talent on his roster.

Wow, what a dbag.

[Todd Gack]

Cry me a river. This guy is continually in the top 2-3 in recruiting classes and now he needs better players? Boo hoo.

He's in the Top 2-3 recruiting classes because a lot of his guys are 'committed' to Alabama. The rankings mean nothing. I don't see him complaining about lack of talent as much as the right TYPE of guy in certain positions. Like any smart and talented coach, he realizes the changing dynamic in college football.

[Chip R]

He's in the Top 2-3 recruiting classes because a lot of his guys are 'committed' to Alabama. The rankings mean nothing. I don't see him complaining about lack of talent as much as the right TYPE of guy in certain positions. Like any smart and talented coach, he realizes the changing dynamic in college football.

Sure. But if he's such a great coach and his staff are such great coaches he can coach those guys to be the type of player he wants. Coach 'em up, as the saying goes. You know what they used to say about Bear Bryant: "He can take his'n and beat your'n and take your'n and beat his'n."

[cumberlandreds]

Cry me a river. This guy is continually in the top 2-3 in recruiting classes and now he needs better players? Boo hoo.

Saban recruited those players. No one to blame but himself. I really doubt he has to settle for anyone because he didn't get who he wanted.

[Chip R]

Saban recruited those players. No one to blame but himself. I really doubt he has to settle for anyone because he didn't get who he wanted.

I think that's what he's saying in a way but blaming the new trends in offense and defense instead of directly blaming himself. But you're right; he is to blame for recruiting those players. But he and his staff should be able to mold those players into the type he wants. Obviously you can't make a short guy tall or a slow guy fast but if Saban took a pass on some of the players he recruited in the past, don't you think that every other team in the nation would have gone after them? Great coaches adjust and don't whine. All these kids are strong, quick and athletic. If he weren't getting kids to come there because he was running the Wishbone or something, that's one thing. But he doesn't have anything on his roster that Auburn or Ole Miss or Florida State have.

[WMR]

Saban recruited those players. No one to blame but himself. I really doubt he has to settle for anyone because he didn't get who he wanted.

I can tell you the name of one big hog mollie that he desperately wanted who chose to stay close to home! :D

[Todd Gack]

Sure. But if he's such a great coach and his staff are such great coaches he can coach those guys to be the type of player he wants. Coach 'em up, as the saying goes. You know what they used to say about Bear Bryant: "He can take his'n and beat your'n and take your'n and beat his'n."

I disagree. Saban has always like the Javier Arenas's of the world because of the way he schematically runs his defense. Again, he basically says they need to change the type of players they're recruiting as far as measureables go. I don't see it as a complaint at all, but all of the people who hate the greatness that is Nick Saban see it a different way.

[Chip R]

I disagree. Saban has always like the Javier Arenas's of the world because of the way he schematically runs his defense. Again, he basically says they need to change the type of players they're recruiting as far as measureables go. I don't see it as a complaint at all, but all of the people who hate the greatness that is Nick Saban see it a different way.

I don't hate Saban but complaining about this makes him seem like a whiner and it looks like it's sour grapes.

Being a coach is more than Xs and Os, recruiting and the "Win it for the Gipper" speech. It's also about making the players you have better.

[WMR]

I don't hate Saban but complaining about this makes him seem like a whiner and it looks like it's sour grapes.

Being a coach is more than Xs and Os, recruiting and the "Win it for the Gipper" speech. It's also about making the players you have better.

Honestly, it reminds me of when he was trying to get the rules changed to prevent no huddle offenses because of "injury risks." :lol:

[Chip R]

Honestly, it reminds me of when he was trying to get the rules changed to prevent no huddle offenses because of "injury risks." :lol:

That's a great comparison.

[dabvu2498]

Vandy may have dodged a bullet on Lloyd Tubman.

Allegedly, Franklin had pulled some strings to get Tubman admitted. That would have been at least two very bad character judgments on Franklin's part.

[jojo]

OMG.....


Gurley suspended indefinitely.

http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/100914aad.html

[jojo]

Urban Myer is kind of sleazy in general and his comments are beyond a stretch anyway but after what he, Mullen and Thamel attempted to do with Cam, Urban probably shouldn't name drop Cam as a protege.

http://collegespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state/urban-meyer-says-he-counts-cam-newton-as-a-product-of-his-offense-when-recruiting-players

[RedTeamGo!]

Urban Myer is kind of sleazy in general and his comments are beyond a stretch anyway but after what he, Mullen and Thamel attempted to do with Cam, Urban probably shouldn't name drop Cam as a protege.

http://collegespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state/urban-meyer-says-he-counts-cam-newton-as-a-product-of-his-offense-when-recruiting-players

What did the attempt to do with cam? I honestly don't know.

[RiverRat13]

What did the attempt to do with cam? I honestly don't know.

I think he tried to fence Newton's stolen laptop and didn't get much out of it. Either that or the papers Meyer bought for Newton were too high of quality and that's what got Cam nailed three times for academic fraud.

I feel bad for Gurley. It is a pretty stupid rule at this point. Ol' Johnny Football has to be laughing his rear off about the whole deal.

[jojo]

I think he tried to fence Newton's stolen laptop and didn't get much out of it. Either that or the papers Meyer bought for Newton were too high of quality and that's what got Cam nailed three times for academic fraud.

I feel bad for Gurley. It is a pretty stupid rule at this point. Ol' Johnny Football has to be laughing his rear off about the whole deal.

Both Mullen and Meyer tried to anonymously assassinate Cam's character through their buddy Thamel. They don't now get to name drop to help their recruiting. It was sleazy behavior from those two and really motivated out of selfishness. And it's shenanigans anyway for Meyer to claim he put Cam into the nfl.

[RedTeamGo!]

Both Mullen and Meyer tried to anonymously assassinate Cam's character through their buddy Thamel. They don't now get to name drop to help their recruiting. It was sleazy behavior from those two and really motivated out of selfishness. And it's shenanigans anyway for Meyer to claim he put Cam into the nfl.

Source?

I am not calling BS, I have just never heard of this. \

Didn't Cam assassinate his own character when he committed theft and academic fraud (three times)?

I am a Panthers fan and like Cam, but he is no saint.

[jojo]

Source?

I am not calling BS, I have just never heard of this. \

Didn't Cam assassinate his own character when he committed theft and academic fraud (three times)?

I am a Panthers fan and like Cam, but he is no saint.

Simple googling can give you all the facts you need. But if you're too lazy, just ask where has Thamel been given all access priviledges the last several days.

That you can even bring up potential academic issues proves the point by the way. BTW, no one is arguing that Cam is a saint. The simple point that Mullen, Meyer and Thamel did something very sleazy for their own self interests is being made and because of that they have alot of gall to now use Cam as a recruiting ploy.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ah, the anonymous source on the academic fraud?

Meh, Cam cheated, don't shoot the messenger.

[jojo]

Ah, the anonymous source on the academic fraud?

Meh, Cam cheated, don't shoot the messenger.

Neither guy had a reason to disclose anything other than trying to shoot the student athlete. They don't now get to act like they mentored him to the nfl.

[RedTeamGo!]

Neither guy had a reason to disclose anything other than trying to shoot the student athlete. They don't now get to act like they mentored him to the nfl.

Sure they can, it's not a violation or illegal.

Cheating on your schoolwork is an academic violation

Stealing a computer is illegal

Who did those things?

[jojo]

Sure they can, it's not a violation or illegal.

Cheating on your schoolwork is an academic violation

Stealing a computer is illegal

Who did those things?

Actually it is against the law to discuss a student's academic record without the student's consent. The computer issue was acient history. Mullen and Meyer were using Thamel togrind an axe. Now they want to use Cam to recruit? It's sleazy.

[dabvu2498]

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How had I never seen this picture before. Too much awesomeness.

[redrum]

Simple googling can give you all the facts you need. But if you're too lazy, just ask where has Thamel been given all access priviledges the last several days.

That you can even bring up potential academic issues proves the point by the way. BTW, no one is arguing that Cam is a saint. The simple point that Mullen, Meyer and Thamel did something very sleazy for their own self interests is being made and because of that they have alot of gall to now use Cam as a recruiting ploy.

I guess we have a different idea of what constitutes fact. Thamel and Meyer clearly have a relationship. I'm sure Thamel has a relationship with many college football insiders. What I found from google searches could only be at best categorized as hearsay. I found some claims that Urban was the source and just as many that claims that he was not. Unfortunately hits from a google search do not discriminate reliable sources from unreliable ones so it is pretty hard to figure out which to believe.

In either case I don't understand why Urban would claim some sort of responsibility for Cam. That is just strange.

[jojo]

I guess we have a different idea of what constitutes fact. Thamel and Meyer clearly have a relationship. I'm sure Thamel has a relationship with many college football insiders. What I found from google searches could only be at best categorized as hearsay. I found some claims that Urban was the source and just as many that claims that he was not. Unfortunately hits from a google search do not discriminate reliable sources from unreliable ones so it is pretty hard to figure out which to believe.

In either case I don't understand why Urban would claim some sort of responsibility for Cam. That is just strange.

Mullen was the OC when Cam was recruited to Florida. Meyer and Thamel are the best of buds and that is how Thamel and Mullen became best of buds. Mullen considered it ordained that Cam would follow him to MSU and would be his ticket out of Starkville probably as Meyer's successor at Florida. The Cam issue was an MSU issue between an MSU booster and an MSU handler. Mullen flipped a gasket when Cam overrode Cecil's influence and went elsewhere. MSU was knee deep in poop which is why Mullen didn't report anything until many months after he was obligated to report things. He chose instead to use Thamel to hurt the student athlete and to finally report the MSU shenanigans when he could use Thamel to deflect and at a time why he could try to maximally damage Auburn for out recruiting him.

There's a reason the NCAA decided the Cam issue like it did. First there was an utter lack of evidence to support the notion Auburn's recruitment of Cam was somehow dirty. But second, it was an MSU issue and MSU was knee deep in poop and basically acted in a way that would have unfairly damaged Auburn.

If Mullen would have acted ethically and professionally, Cam would've never have played a down because Auburn would've known to hold Cam out even before spring practice and very likely the NCAA would've ruled him ineligible instead of the compromise they reached in November. Maybe in his heart of hearts, mullen believed Auburn cheated and he was going have the ultimate gotcha moment. But mullen was wrong and his approach was sleazy. Seriously, if Mullen handled things properly, Cam would be bagging groceries.

And here we are with Mullen still stuck in Starkville. Maybe today he can earn his ticket out of there the right way.

[jojo]

What a special day for Missisippi state fans. I hope Auburn ruins it but this is the atmosphere that makes college sports so special.

[19braves77]

Wow at Mississippi State

[jojo]

Wow at Mississippi State

The second half might get nuts even for Bellview's standards.

[jojo]

Hats off to MSU. They made more plays.

[RedTeamGo!]

What's wrong with bama?

[jojo]

What's wrong with bama?

Arky is better than most realize but Bama doesn't have a QB and Howard hasn't stepped up. Plus Lane is a Putz.

[RedTeamGo!]

This bama/Arkansas game isn't good defense, it's just bad football. This is excruciating.

[KronoRed]

What a special day for Missisippi state fans. I hope Auburn ruins it but this is the atmosphere that makes college sports so special.

Nothing involving cowbells makes a good atmosphere.

[dabvu2498]

What if the Egg Bowl is 11-0 vs 11-0? I literally can't fathom it.

Oh, yes, also... Derek Mason should probably be out of a job.

[KronoRed]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Kronosb/55225814_zpsc5eddfff.jpg

[WVRed]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/Kronosb/55225814_zpsc5eddfff.jpg

Karma karma karma karma chameleon!

[Revering4Blue]

Karma karma karma karma chameleon!

You come and go! You come and go!

So long, Muschamp.

Hello, Dan Mullen?

[KronoRed]

Karma karma karma karma chameleon!

Must stink to be 0-4 to a bad coach. :D

Also, you didn't lose because of the refs, you lost because you failed to cover the only receiver getting thrown too all game.

[WVRed]

Must stink to be 0-4 to a bad coach. :D

Also, you didn't lose because of the refs, you lost because you failed to cover the only receiver getting thrown too all game.

So how do you explain Tennessee?

Muschamp was given gifts in those two games and shot his mouth off both times.

[KronoRed]

So how do you explain Tennessee?

Muschamp was given gifts in those two games and shot his mouth off both times.

Tennessee is awful and started playing for running the clock when they were up 3-0?

What about the uncalled spearing/ejection by the KY linebacker? gift?

[WVRed]

Tennessee is awful and started playing for running the clock when they were up 3-0?

What about the uncalled spearing/ejection by the KY linebacker? gift?

That was what I was referring to with Muschamp. The refs practically giftwrapped the game, what more do you want?

[KronoRed]

I'm still not sure what your on about, what did the refs have to do with last night?

[19braves77]

Alabama's young, hurt, and might fall out of contention. Everything's fine with me Saban and Kiffin let Sims finish the season because of the message it sends.

[jojo]

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/2014/10/13/missisiippi-state-auburn-football-fan/17187339/

This is why college football will always trump the Pros. Well this and the fact you can actually take your kids to a college football game.


"... he sat there calm and loyal to his Auburn Tigers. He never responded to the guys in front of him shaking their cow bells in his direction. He just smiled when the guy next to him offered him his cow bell so he could have something to cheer about as we entered the second quarter. Just a part of the game, right? Just for the record, no one was hateful, used inappropriate language, or went 'over the top.' But, the ribbing continued as we rolled right into the second half.

"The momentum began to make a turn. He would simply clap for his team - no yelling, no fist pumping, nothing but a clap. It was during that third quarter when many State fans began to wonder if this game would end in our favor. On one of those big plays for Auburn as the stadium went silent, you could hear his clap, and the roar of a "Go Auburn!" Except the roar was coming from little Julia! Really it was a sweet, innocent, multi-syllable (as only little Southern girls can say it) kind of cheer. She quickly received a rebuke as any good State parent would do! 'Julia, we root for the Bulldogs and not Auburn.' She put her head down and was crushed. Something just didn't seem right. We asked her why she had screamed that phrase. She said, 'That man is all alone. It makes me sad.'

'Our hearts melted. She was oblivious to the score on the scoreboard. She just knew he wasn't cheering that much. She was keenly aware of the score that mattered. We took her down to his seat and told him what had happened. He agreed to a photo. The rest of the evening Julia kept a watchful eye on her new friend. For him, and with absolutely no disrespect, we say, 'War Eagle!' Once again, our children have taught us much. Julia, thank you for reminding Daddy that all people are special and loved by our heavenly Father and, thus, should be loved by us."

[Boston Red]

Who's going to be the new Slive?

[dabvu2498]

Who's going to be the new Slive?

Vanderbilt's chancellor is heading the search committee, so I'm hoping... Maybe... Derek Mason???
:)

[dabvu2498]

A/M may have been slightly over-rated.

[19braves77]

Coker is going to come in and stink this game up for Alabama.

[19braves77]

It might not be pretty but Vols are going to win this game.

[jojo]

It might not be pretty but Vols are going to win this game.

The Vols lost to Florida. 'nuff said.

[19braves77]

I think the only thing saving Muschamp right now is too savage a recruiting class. Cant fire a coach this weekend with recruits taking tours tommorow.

[jojo]

It didn't go unnoticed that Ritter's crew got demoted to the Furman game.

[KronoRed]

I think the only thing saving Muschamp right now is too savage a recruiting class. Cant fire a coach this weekend with recruits taking tours tommorow.

Recruiting will take care of itself, the only reason he won't be fired is because the AD has apparently gone into semi retirement.

[dabvu2498]

Didn't watch much of the Mizzou-UF game, but it sounds like Will M. has a full blown mutiny.

[dabvu2498]

Also, point to ponder... The last QB to beat Florida State?

Jeff Driskel.

[KronoRed]

Also, point to ponder... The last QB to beat Florida State?

Jeff Driskel.

:laugh:

[dabvu2498]

At least the East isn't going winless against the West this year.

[RedTeamGo!]

The sec is really doing a number on itself. I think with how well nd played fsu yesterday if those teams win out they will both go to the playoff, which leaves only 2 spots for the sec, b1g, big12 and pac12.

Looks like only one team is coming out of the sec, wonder who it will be.

[jojo]

The sec is really doing a number on itself. I think with how well nd played fsu yesterday if those teams win out they will both go to the playoff, which leaves only 2 spots for the sec, b1g, big12 and pac12.

Looks like only one team is coming out of the sec, wonder who it will be.

The winner of the SEC championship has probably got a golden ticket...now if the west upsets the east...all bets are off.

[Sea Ray]

The winner of the SEC championship has probably got a golden ticket...now if the west upsets the east...all bets are off.

Why would the west beating the east be considered an upset? I'm not following you here

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The sec is really doing a number on itself. I think with how well nd played fsu yesterday if those teams win out they will both go to the playoff, which leaves only 2 spots for the sec, b1g, big12 and pac12.

Looks like only one team is coming out of the sec, wonder who it will be.

ND still has some tough games left. I'm not penciling them in as running the table yet

[RedTeamGo!]

ND still has some tough games left. I'm not penciling them in as running the table yet

Completely agree, BUT if they do win it out they will have a very impressive resume.

[jojo]

Why would the west beating the east be considered an upset? I'm not following you here

Clearly it was a typo.

[Puffy]

ND still has some tough games left. I'm not penciling them in as running the table yet

Navy (ND should win that one easily), Northwestern (playing better but at ND so ND should win), @Arizona State (50/50? ASU playing really well) and @USC (50/50?)

As ND fan I think they probably split the ASU and USC games so they end with another loss.

[Puffy]

I forgot Louisville - - that one is at ND so I think, even with Louisville's real, real good defense that ND wins at home

[Sea Ray]

If ND runs that table then they deserve to work their way back into the picture. It sure beats the competition of say another one loss team, Ohio State

[RedTeamGo!]

I think if ND runs the table they won't be in the picture, they will be a lock. After looking at the SEC schedules I really think only one team is coming out of the conference.

If Oregon runs the table

If FSU runs the table

You will have:

SEC Champ
FSU
Oregon
ND

The only chance the B1G has of getting a team in is Michigan St.

If they run the table they will only have one loss against a top 10 team on the road and will have a major conference championship.

OSU can win out and they still will not make it unless everyone else has 2 losses. Va Tech at home is just too bad of a loss.

[19braves77]

Good article here:

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/phil-steele-grades-alabamas-59-0-win-college-footballs-best-performance-years/

[dabvu2498]

SEC on SEC crime will not be tolerated.

http://fanvsfan.com/articles/gif-tennessee-coach-tries-to-trip-ole-miss-db-senquez-golson?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[KronoRed]

Guy should be fired.

[RedTeamGo!]

Guy should be fired.

Wow. Tennessee is a joke.

[jojo]

SEC on SEC crime will not be tolerated.

http://fanvsfan.com/articles/gif-tennessee-coach-tries-to-trip-ole-miss-db-senquez-golson?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I thought it was building one brick at a time not one kick at a time......

[Chip R]

Bo Pelini thinks the relationship between the SEC and ESPN is not healthy for college football.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/bo-pelini-doesn-t-think-the-sec-s-relationship-with-espn-is-good-for-college-football-130328556.html

[Sea Ray]

Bo Pelini thinks the relationship between the SEC and ESPN is not healthy for college football.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/bo-pelini-doesn-t-think-the-sec-s-relationship-with-espn-is-good-for-college-football-130328556.html

Do you agree with him?

[Chip R]

Do you agree with him?

A little bit but, as the article stated, the Big 10 is in bed with Fox and Texas is in bed with ESPN with the Longhorn Network. I think it's dumb to complain about things like that. Bo should be worried about his next game rather than something he can't control and something his own conference is guilty of as well. I doubt he'd be complaining if the Big 10 had several teams in the top 10 instead of the SEC.

[jojo]

Playing at Jordan-Hare is intimidating..


As a former head coach at Florida and Illinois and now a special teams coach with the Green Bay Packers, Ron Zook has coached at venues throughout the SEC, the Big Ten and the NFL. It is Jordan-Hare that sticks with him more than any other.

“I’ve been to Michigan,” Zook said. “There’s a lot of people but it’s not real loud. It’s big, but it’s not intimidating. You play at Jordan-Hare, it’s intimidating.”

In 1993, Florida led 10-0 and was threatening to make it worse when Auburn cornerback Calvin Jackson intercepted a Danny Wuerffel pass and returned it 95 yards for a touchdown. Auburn went on to win 38-35.

“We are getting ready to go up 17-0 and really kind of put a fork on them,” Zook said. “He goes 95 yards for a touchdown and we ended up losing. That was about as loud a place as I can ever remember being, including Seattle.”

http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/You-play-at-Jordan-Hare-its-intimidating-32241904

[Chip R]

An oral history of the night Lane Kiffin left Tennessee for USC.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/story/the-night-lane-kiffin-bolted-tennessee-an-oral-history-072914

[RedTeamGo!]

Fun article to read - thanks for the link.

[dabvu2498]

Almost out the door, Knoxville-bound as we speak. Tomorrow night should be pretty exciting. I was also at Pitino's return game in Lexington. Blood was thick in the air that afternoon too.

[Assembly Hall]

An oral history of the night Lane Kiffin left Tennessee for USC.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/story/the-night-lane-kiffin-bolted-tennessee-an-oral-history-072914

Fantastic read.

[KronoRed]

Playing at Jordan-Hare is intimidating..



http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/You-play-at-Jordan-Hare-its-intimidating-32241904
Sorry Ron, Florida lost that game not because of the crowd but because of your mediocre defense, part of why you were demoted at the end of the year.

[jojo]

Sorry Ron, Florida lost that game not because of the crowd but because of your mediocre defense, part of why you were demoted at the end of the year.

Ya, but they were scared too. I said WAR Eagle to Coach Zook a couple of months ago and he about pooped his pants as his face got white as a ghost.

[dabvu2498]

Finally have to give up on the Vandy-Mizzou game and head inside. You'll only hear me say this on the 3rd (4th!?!?) Saturday in October... Roll Tide. :barf:

[jojo]

Finally have to give up on the Vandy-Mizzou game and head inside. You'll only hear me say this on the 3rd (4th!?!?) Saturday in October... Roll Tide. :barf:

I just reported this post for profanity.

[Sea Ray]

I guess it took an injury for Butch Jones to see that he's playing the wrong guy at QB. His only defense for this might be that he was trying to redshirt Dobbs. Too late for that now. Time to see what he can do at QB

[dabvu2498]

I guess it took an injury for Butch Jones to see that he's playing the wrong guy at QB. His only defense for this might be that he was trying to redshirt Dobbs. Too late for that now. Time to see what he can do at QB

I've heard from a good source that Dobbs did ask for a redshirt, but was willing to go in for a worst case scenario.

I'm not sure it matters a ton with they way they pass block.

[Sea Ray]

I've heard from a good source that Dobbs did ask for a redshirt, but was willing to go in for a worst case scenario.

I'm not sure it matters a ton with they way they pass block.

With the way they pass block it's imperative to have a QB who's more like Dobbs than Worley. In fact in today's college football, I'd argue that it's pretty much imperative that your QB be able to run.

I'm fine with Dobbs losing his redshirt. This still gives him two more yrs and if UT can't come up with someone better than him in the next recruiting classes then they've screwed up royally

[dabvu2498]

With the way they pass block it's imperative to have a QB who's more like Dobbs than Worley. In fact in today's college football, I'd argue that it's pretty much imperative that your QB be able to run.

I'm fine with Dobbs losing his redshirt. This still gives him two more yrs and if UT can't come up with someone better than him in the next recruiting classes then they've screwed up royally

Apparently, Dobbs asked for a redshirt year when he was being recruited because he's majoring in some smart-guy stuff and wanted to have a year to focus (mostly) on academics.

I admire him for giving up that chance to help the team. By all accounts, he's a great kid.

[19braves77]

Re watched the highlights of the the Ole Miss and LSU game. If LSU scores instead of that fumble on 1, that whole game changes Freeze's approach to the game. It seems once OleMiss got that TD, the goal was to get this game to the 4th quarter instead of letting Bo go full throttle.

[jojo]

How many of the teams in the initial College Football Playoff selection committee's Top 25 have nonconference road wins over other ranked teams?

The answer? One-Auburn.

[BuckeyeRed27]

How many of the teams in the initial College Football Playoff selection committee's Top 25 have nonconference road wins over other ranked teams?

The answer? One-Auburn.

Good accomplishment but is probably more of a commentary about how crappy nonconference scheduling has become.

[jojo]

8065

[RedTeamGo!]

I will say the same thing I said to my brother before the LSU game - ole miss is going to lose because Bo Wallace sucks.

[jojo]

I will say the same thing I said to my brother before the LSU game - ole miss is going to lose because Bo Wallace sucks.

Put pressure on him and he makes ALOT of bad decisions as do alot of quarterback but he can make some catastrophic ones.

Anyway, it's supposed to be windy and in the middle 30's by game time. Might not bode favorably for a team that struggles to run the ball and who is coming off of a tough loss banged up at multiple positions. We'll see if Auburn can put pressure on Wallace.

[dabvu2498]

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2014/10/31/ut-never-disclosed-rape-allegations-athletes/18267043/

[jojo]

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2014/10/31/ut-never-disclosed-rape-allegations-athletes/18267043/

Yikes. That's despicable and completely pollutes any thing Butch Jones and the current AD might accomplish at Knoxville. Is UT becoming Rape U?

[RedTeamGo!]

That's a fumble. Auburn is insanely lucky.

[dabvu2498]

Even more insanely lucky to not get a targeting call. That was plain as day.

[jojo]

That's a fumble. Auburn is insanely lucky.

I hate how the game ended.

The defense made plays when it had too. But I HATE that Treadwell got hurt. Auburn was on him as a HS player. He is a gamer.

[jojo]

Auburn out gained Ole Miss while gaining 254 through the air and 248 on the ground, scored TDs on 5 of 6 trips into the redszone, won the turnover battle and won time of possession.

That is how you beat the #4 team in the country on the road.

[RedTeamGo!]

Also by a fluke injury to a WR on the 1 foot line going into the end zone.

[dabvu2498]

Also by a fluke injury to a WR on the 1 foot line going into the end zone.

Compound leg fracture. Yuck.

[jojo]

Also by a fluke injury to a WR on the 1 foot line going into the end zone.

It was a forced fumble that happened to also cause an injury.

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Compound leg fracture. Yuck.

That absolutely sucks.

[RedTeamGo!]

Looked like he dropped it because he was injured, but it doesn't matter. I don't really think ole miss is that good.

I'm not sold on ole miss being a good team. I think auburn has an excellent offense, defense is kind of weak.

[dabvu2498]

Looked like he dropped it because he was injured, but it doesn't matter. I don't really think ole miss is that good.

I'm not sold on ole miss being a good team. I think auburn has an excellent offense, defense is kind of weak.

13 penalties for 135 yards... Plus two more that should have been called:

12 men on the field:
http://thebiglead.com/2014/11/01/auburn-got-away-with-12-men-on-the-field-against-ole-miss/

Targeting on the Treadwell play:
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/11/ole_miss_laquon_treadwell_suff.html

[jojo]

13 penalties for 135 yards... Plus two more that should have been called:

12 men on the field:
http://thebiglead.com/2014/11/01/auburn-got-away-with-12-men-on-the-field-against-ole-miss/

Targeting on the Treadwell play:
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/11/ole_miss_laquon_treadwell_suff.html

That's not targeting.

The officiating was horrific all night long. Are you actually trying to argue that Auburn won because of the officiating? If so, that's an unattractive position to have to defend. Why not talk about the mythical holding penalty against Uzomah? Ole Miss had guys illegal guys blocking down field on pass plays several times. The officials kinda had an off night.

[dabvu2498]

How many SEC East schools will be looking for new coaches? Florida? UGa? Spurrier has probably earned coach-for-life status at USC, but they're a bit of a shambles.

It's not like anyone else in the East looks good, either. Just bad football.

[jojo]

How many SEC East schools will be looking for new coaches? Florida? UGa? Spurrier has probably earned coach-for-life status at USC, but they're a bit of a shambles.

It's not like anyone else in the East looks good, either. Just bad football.

Spurrier made it sound like last week was his last trip to Auburn. That suggests that next year at most might be his last season.

[kaldaniels]

How many of the teams in the initial College Football Playoff selection committee's Top 25 have nonconference road wins over other ranked teams?

The answer? One-Auburn.

And give Auburn it's due for that.

But that leads me to ask a question I was wondering today.

What are the 25 most important out-of-conference games from the 2014 season that we can use to "rank" the strength of conferences?

I mean we all know Auburn-KSU, MSU-Oregon, Clemson-UGA, OSU-VaTech, ND-FSU, etc....probably 15-20 marquee games have been played.

But after that...it is slim pickens.

Is that enough of a sample size, for the 2014 season, to really be able to determine the strength of conferences?

Every game should be weighted equally...so for your impressive AU-KSU game, you have to fairly counter it with a Mizzou-IU game.

I'm not really posing this question at you jojo...you just brought the question back into my mind.

[jojo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbOtWeAEnY

[kaldaniels]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbOtWeAEnY

I have no dog in the fight, but I'd love to see them run the table the rest of the season and really have some momentum coming into 2015. I can't get over how far they have fell.

[jojo]

I have no dog in the fight, but I'd love to see them run the table the rest of the season and really have some momentum coming into 2015. I can't get over how far they have fell.

It would be nice if Tennessee was actually a bowl quality team at least once every 5 years so Bama wouldn't get to treat them like a homecoming opponent every year.

[KronoRed]

How many SEC East schools will be looking for new coaches? Florida? UGa? Spurrier has probably earned coach-for-life status at USC, but they're a bit of a shambles.

It's not like anyone else in the East looks good, either. Just bad football.

Spurrier might call it quits but neither Muschamp or Richt are in any danger.

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Oh yeah...to hell with Georgia.

[Sea Ray]

It would be nice if Tennessee was actually a bowl quality team at least once every 5 years so Bama wouldn't get to treat them like a homecoming opponent every year.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think Tennessee just beat an SEC school last night...in exciting fashion I might add. That means all they have to do is win 2 out of the next 3 vs Missou, Kentucky and Vandy to get your wish of being Bowl eligible.

[dabvu2498]

Maybe I'm wrong but I think Tennessee just beat an SEC school last night...in exciting fashion I might add. That means all they have to do is win 2 out of the next 3 vs Missou, Kentucky and Vandy to get your wish of being Bowl eligible.

Their first win over an FBS team since September 6!!!

[jojo]

Their first win over an FBS team since September 6!!!

Yep, a magical season for sure!

[Todd Gack]

Maybe I'm wrong but I think Tennessee just beat an SEC school last night...in exciting fashion I might add. That means all they have to do is win 2 out of the next 3 vs Missou, Kentucky and Vandy to get your wish of being Bowl eligible.

That's still a tough road for them. As you know, none of those games are automatic wins. With that said, those are probably the 3 teams you would want to play for this to happen.

[jojo]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/11/1/7144563/gus-malzahn-gif-go-go-go-go

[WMR]

8065

little brother syndrome

[gonelong]

Yesterday I was listening to ESPN radio on the way to Columbus for a day/evening of tailgating and football. They were discussing the supposed "SEC bias" ESPN has. They were thickly laying on the mockery of anyone claiming the ESPN/SEC bias and then ended the segment by asking ... Would Georgia win the Big10? Every single one of the panelist said stuff like, "without question", "no doubt", "easily", etc.

Reminder: Georgia's last 3 bowl opponents were Big10 teams and they lost 2 of the 3 games. So, obviously they would dominate the Big10, no question.

Georgia then got house by Florida. Nice work fellas.

GL

[dabvu2498]

Yesterday I was listening to ESPN radio on the way to Columbus for a day/evening of tailgating and football. They were discussing the supposed "SEC bias" ESPN has. They were thickly laying on the mockery of anyone claiming the ESPN/SEC bias and then ended the segment by asking ... Would Georgia win the Big10? Every single one of the panelist said stuff like, "without question", "no doubt", "easily", etc.

Reminder: Georgia's last 3 bowl opponents were Big10 teams and they lost 2 of the 3 games. So, obviously they would dominate the Big10, no question.

Georgia then got house by Florida. Nice work fellas.

GL

Anyone "promoting" the SEC East in any way is a fool.

[dabvu2498]

little brother syndrome

Should I give this back, you think?

8069

I'm definitely sending this back.

8070

[jojo]

little brother syndrome

Actually, its bragging rights.

[jojo]

The difference between the SEC West and the SEC East? In the first playoff poll, the West had four teams ranked in the nation’s top six. Missouri, the clear frontrunner in the East, has lost at home to Indiana and been blown out 34-0 at home by Georgia which just got pollaxed by a team whose coach had been written off as a dead man walking.

Whether ESPN has a bias or not, the most interesting thing that happened in the Big Ten yesterday was that Maryland didn't want to shake hands with Penn State.

[gonelong]

Anyone "promoting" the SEC East in any way is a fool.

They had a number of fools in their echo chamber, that's for sure.

GL

[dabvu2498]

They had a number of fools in their echo chamber, that's for sure.

GL

Gotcha... So they're like every other media outlet?

Funny part is, they were "hyping" a team playing on an opposing network.

[jojo]

Worley sucks at football but maybe there is still hope that he has some game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WdjwK-qP07c

[dabvu2498]

Stay classy, Auburn newspaper.

8071

[dabvu2498]

Also, awesome... Halftime of tonight's basketball game on the SEC Network and what do we get??? Football highlights from almost 24 hours ago.

[jojo]

Stay classy, Auburn newspaper.

8071

They are getting all kinds of grief for that.

[gonelong]

Gotcha... So they're like every other media outlet?

Funny part is, they were "hyping" a team playing on an opposing network.

Sort of, but this was a bit more than usual. I was having a hart time telling if they were shticking it or if they were serious.

[jojo]

Sort of, but this was a bit more than usual. I was having a hart time telling if they were shticking it or if they were serious.

I think trolling is the new sports journalism. Its becoming more brain damaging than entertaining/enlightening.

[dabvu2498]

Sort of, but this was a bit more than usual. I was having a hart time telling if they were shticking it or if they were serious.

Sounds like all of ESPN!!! :)

But seriously, I think people are taking this SEC-bias notion a bit too far. Are they trying to "funnel" a few more people to watching their SEC Network games? Yeah, sure. But let's not forget that CBS still gets first pick on conference games and has at least three weekends where they do an SEC doubleheader. A few of the lesser non-conference games involving SEC teams are still on Fox South. Quite a few of the games that are on the SEC Network would have been on ESPNU anyway. Most of the others would've been available on ESPN3 or Plus, etc. One game a week got taken from the "LF Network" and maybe another from Fox South or CSS.

What network gets first pick on Big 10 games? ACC games?

I think a lot of this is people hearing what they want to hear. It's kinda like the "political programming" that's been going on the last month or so. It's confirmation bias at it's finest.

[19braves77]

I have a feeling Blake Sims establishes his one year legacy with some big boy heroics tomorrow.

Also, I wonder if a lot of these teams in the Top 10 wishes they would have bought out some of these cupcake games. I hope the committee punishes these teams by verbally stating how unimpressed they were with Top 10 teams playing late season weak competition.

[Roy Tucker]

Golly. Auburn dominates the 4th quarter but 2 crazy fumbles by Auburn. Stunning ballgame.

[Todd Gack]

https://twitter.com/Ranger222/status/531241626250002432/photo/1

[Todd Gack]

http://imgur.com/khYQjuM

[19braves77]

Auburns luck finally ran out.

[RedTeamGo!]

Auburn just lost to a team at home that starts 11 freshman including the qb that just squeaked by Louisana monroe. Wow.

[dabvu2498]

http://imgur.com/khYQjuM

We actually had two nominees for worst snap of the century today.

https://vine.co/v/OeVneYlQx0u

[Todd Gack]

We actually had two nominees for worst snap of the century today.

https://vine.co/v/OeVneYlQx0u

That doesn't look like the center's fault because everyone else expected him to snap it. I think that's on the QB or the receiver for the timing.

[dabvu2498]

Auburn just lost to a team at home that starts 11 freshman including the qb that just squeaked by Louisana monroe. Wow.

11 freshman??? Try 4.

http://www.12thman.com/fls/27300/pdfs/2014-15/football/2014-fbdepth.pdf?SPSID=632660&SPID=93232&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=27300

[RedTeamGo!]

11 freshman??? Try 4.

http://www.12thman.com/fls/27300/pdfs/2014-15/football/2014-fbdepth.pdf?SPSID=632660&SPID=93232&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=27300

They said during the game 11 freshman were playing, may have been because of injuries.

Any way you cut it - terrible loss by auburn.

[dabvu2498]

I may be forgetting somebody good, but why is it that Alabama (under Saban) always has crummy kickers?

Amari Cooper on the other hand...

[jojo]

Auburns luck finally ran out.

The luck meme is BS.

[jojo]

Auburn just lost to a team at home that starts 11 freshman including the qb that just squeaked by Louisana monroe. Wow.

Not true.

[RedTeamGo!]

Not true.

Yeah I misunderstood what the commentator was saying. That was definitely a true freshman qb though.

That was a bad loss, though. Auburn is securely outside of the playoff picture. Maybe we will see a Osu vs auburn bowl game.

[19braves77]

Sims will be remember for that drive fourty years from now regardless of what happens the rest of the season. It will probably be a Daniel Moore painting

[dabvu2498]

Sorta OT... The Stoops brother's teams gaveup 111 points yesterday.

[cumberlandreds]

I may be forgetting somebody good, but why is it that Alabama (under Saban) always has crummy kickers?

.

Too cheap to spend money to get a good kicker is my guess. ;)

[19braves77]

Take that Les Miles


http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/h9HEWNaz9CRrGvBeLEbFDZvWk80=/600x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2443820/xtZW2I.0.gif

[jojo]

Sims will be remember for that drive fourty years from now regardless of what happens the rest of the season. It will probably be a Daniel Moore painting

Honestly, it will be surprising if that game is remembered for it's quarterback play.

[RedTeamGo!]

Anyone else realize a Missouri team that joined the SEC 3 years ago and earlier this year lost to Indiana at home is likely to play in the SEC Championship for the 2nd time in 3 years?

[Boston Red]

The SEC East is atrocious. Those are words I never thought I'd say/type.

[RedTeamGo!]

The SEC is overrated

Fixed that for ya

[Boston Red]

Compared to what? There aren't any better or really even close to equal leagues out there.

[bucksfan2]

The SEC refs always come under fire but in filliping back between games last Sat night I saw a horrible call by a ref that could have drastically changed the outcome of the LSU Bama game. Late in the game when LSU had the ball inside the Bama 5 with a chance to kick a FG to take the lead or ice the game with a TD there was a scrum around the 5 yard line on a 1st down play. I thought to myself a penality is going to get called but it seemed like cooler heads would have prevailed. The refs got the players out of the pile but late in the scrum an Alabama player took a flop and an official who did not have the best angle threw a killer 15 yard penalty flag on LSU.

It didn't give Alabama a tie, but it gave them a fighting chance. It gave them an extra time out as well as knowing that they were going to get the ball back down 3 instead of 7. LSU screwed up that game good with a kick OB and then allowing Bama to drive down the field and kick a tying FG. But it does fit the conspiracy theorist SEC mantra of them making sure the favorites make it through.

[jojo]

The SEC refs always come under fire but in filliping back between games last Sat night I saw a horrible call by a ref that could have drastically changed the outcome of the LSU Bama game. Late in the game when LSU had the ball inside the Bama 5 with a chance to kick a FG to take the lead or ice the game with a TD there was a scrum around the 5 yard line on a 1st down play. I thought to myself a penality is going to get called but it seemed like cooler heads would have prevailed. The refs got the players out of the pile but late in the scrum an Alabama player took a flop and an official who did not have the best angle threw a killer 15 yard penalty flag on LSU.

It didn't give Alabama a tie, but it gave them a fighting chance. It gave them an extra time out as well as knowing that they were going to get the ball back down 3 instead of 7. LSU screwed up that game good with a kick OB and then allowing Bama to drive down the field and kick a tying FG. But it does fit the conspiracy theorist SEC mantra of them making sure the favorites make it through.

The SEC refs have been particularly bad this season for some reason. The biggest complaint really is the utter lack of consistency from crew to crew. One week, you couldn't get a holding call if a lineman was strip searching a defensive tackle. The next week and it's pass interference the second a defense decides to play man to man.

[RedTeamGo!]

Compared to what? There aren't any better or really even close to equal leagues out there.

Compared to how hyped up the league is by the media.

[Boston Red]

The West deserves that hype. The East? Not so fast!

[19braves77]

Two more insane playoff scenarios :

Assume every team in the playoff spots 5 to 10 have two loses, Georgia wins the SEC East, loses their game against Georgia Tech, and beats the SEC West team in the SEC Championship game giving Georgia three loses yet the SEC Champ. Do you place them in the playoff with three loses ?

What happens if the last playoff spot comes down to a choice between TCU and Baylor who are in the same division with the same record ? Does the head to head matter more or does the SOS of each team ?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Two more insane playoff scenarios :

Assume every team in the playoff spots 5 to 10 have two loses, Georgia wins the SEC East, loses their game against Georgia Tech, and beats the SEC West team in the SEC Championship game giving Georgia three loses yet the SEC Champ. Do you place them in the playoff with three loses ?

What happens if the last playoff spot comes down to a choice between TCU and Baylor who are in the same division with the same record ? Does the head to head matter more or does the SOS of each team ?

I would say no way a three loss SEC team, even if they were the champs, would make the playoff.

For TCU to make it over Baylor, they probably need Minnesota to make the Big 10 Championship game, otherwise the SOS isn't enough.

[Boston Red]

Why not TCU AND Baylor? That would rile some folks up!

[jojo]

Compared to how hyped up the league is by the media.

This is just empty metacommentary.

[Sea Ray]

Two more insane playoff scenarios :

Assume every team in the playoff spots 5 to 10 have two loses, Georgia wins the SEC East, loses their game against Georgia Tech, and beats the SEC West team in the SEC Championship game giving Georgia three loses yet the SEC Champ. Do you place them in the playoff with three loses ?

What happens if the last playoff spot comes down to a choice between TCU and Baylor who are in the same division with the same record ? Does the head to head matter more or does the SOS of each team ?

Under that scenario, no Georgia would not deserve to go and neither would any team from the SEC West. If that happens then the SEC is just plain not very good this year...but it's not going to happen.

As to TCU-Baylor the committee should consider who would win if the game was played on a neutral field

[Sea Ray]

Anyone else realize a Missouri team that joined the SEC 3 years ago and earlier this year lost to Indiana at home is likely to play in the SEC Championship for the 2nd time in 3 years?

So you don't think Tennessee is going to beat Missou? Don't underestimate those Vols!

[Revering4Blue]

Anyone else realize a Missouri team that joined the SEC 3 years ago and earlier this year lost to Indiana at home is likely to play in the SEC Championship for the 2nd time in 3 years?
I'm no SEC honk, but I have to call things as I see them:

IU was/is a totally different team with the now-injured Pro Prospect Nate Sudfeld at QB, so it's not really fair to compare the IU team today with the team that visited Columbia, Missouri on September 20.

[Revering4Blue]

So you don't think Tennessee is going to beat Missou? Don't underestimate those Vols!

Now that Jones has finally inserted a Qb that fits his system, I'm not underestimating them at all. BTW, the win over Utah State looks better and better with each passing week.

[Boston Red]

I'm no SEC honk, but I have to call things as I see them:

IU was/is a totally different team with the now-injured Pro Prospect Nate Sudfeld at QB, so it's not really fair to compare the IU team today with the team that visited Columbia, Missouri on September 20.

Did Sudfeld play on September 13th when IU lost to Bowling Green?

[Revering4Blue]

Did Sudfeld play on September 13th when IU lost to Bowling Green?
He did, indeed. But it wasn't Sudfeld's fault that the defense gave up 45 points, while the offense did it's part by scoring 42.

[Boston Red]

Did the same defense not go to Columbia the next week? While IU was beating Mizzou on 9/20, Wisconsin was busy beating Bowling Green 68-17.

Point being, IU may be worse now, but they were pretty awful back in September, too.

[Revering4Blue]

Did the same defense not go to Columbia the next week? While IU was beating Mizzou on 9/20, Wisconsin was busy beating Bowling Green 68-17.

Point being, IU may be worse now, but they were pretty awful back in September, too.

Wisconsin beats everyone in Madison, usually handily. That's not exactly news.

Sure, IU winning at Mizzou was a big upset, no question, but hardly monumental. I wouldn't equate it with, as a fictional (for lack of a better word) example, this year's Vanderbilt team winning in Lincoln against Nebraska.

[dabvu2498]

Anyone else realize a Missouri team that joined the SEC 3 years ago and earlier this year lost to Indiana at home is likely to play in the SEC Championship for the 2nd time in 3 years?

That's not likely, at all. Mizzou still has to go to Texas A/M, to Tennessee and hosts Arkansas. In fact, given their struggles, I'd say it's more likely that they finish 4-4 in the conference than play in the SECCG.

But I don't blame you for pumping up IU's win over them. Heck, it's probably the Big 10's best OOC win of the season.

[dabvu2498]

Wisconsin beats everyone in Madison, usually handily. That's not exactly news.

Sure, IU winning at Mizzou was a big upset, no question, but hardly monumental. I wouldn't equate it with, as a fictional (for lack of a better word) example, this year's Vanderbilt team winning in Lincoln against Nebraska.

No way is playing Mizzou in Columbia as tough as playing Nebraska in Lincoln. More like a Maryland or an Iowa. (But Vanderbilt ain't beating neither of them, either. :) )

[19braves77]

Crazy to think that Missouri and the majority of its fan base wants to still be part of the Big 10.

[dabvu2498]

Crazy to think that Missouri and the majority of its fan base wants to still be part of the Big 10.

Strangely, they care about basketball in Missouri. Weird, I know. :)

[Revering4Blue]

Crazy to think that Missouri and the majority of its fan base wants to still be part of the Big 10.

From the standpoint of regional rivalries -- Illinois, Nebraska and Iowa -- the B1G makes sense. But, IIRC, the B1G powers-that-be were understandably more concerned with adding TV markets, so Maryland and Rutgers it is.

Sidenote: It wasn't that long ago that certain SEC talking-heads -- No, I'm not talking about Redszone posters at all --were certain that then-newcomers, Mizzou and Texas A&M were ill-equipped to compete in the SEC football-wise right away. Oops.

[RedTeamGo!]

From the standpoint of regional rivalries -- Illinois, Nebraska and Iowa -- the B1G makes sense. But, IIRC, the B1G powers-that-be were understandably more concerned with adding TV markets, so Maryland and Rutgers it is.

Sidenote: It wasn't that long ago that certain SEC talking-heads -- No, I'm not talking about Redszone posters at all --were certain that then-newcomers, Mizzou and Texas A&M were ill-equipped to compete in the SEC football-wise right away. Oops.

Well, you are forgetting that once a team joins the SEC they immediately improve in football just by being amongst the best teams in the nation.

(This was actually said on here by some posters)

[Revering4Blue]

Well, you are forgetting that once a team joins the SEC they immediately improve in football just by being amongst the best teams in the nation.

(This was actually said on here by some posters)


It wouldn't surprise me if some SEC fans/talking heads went that route after first claiming that it will take years for Mizzou/A&M to become SEC caliber. A great number ACC basketball honks acted just like that once Florida State joined the ACC in the early '90s. First it was It's not a basketball school;they'll get killed in this conference. Then, once the Seminoles finished in the top half of the conference and reached the Sweet 16 -- followed by an appearance in the regional finals the next season -- It was See, that's what happens when you join the best conference in the land, as it if wouldn't have happened anyway.

[19braves77]

I bet Missouri isn't in the SEC for 10 years. They will eventually be in Big 10.

[19braves77]

This weeks games:

Alabama vs Miss. St

How sore will the Bama players be ? Can Yeldon play good enough to be effective ? Will Prescott look like he needs a walker ?

I say Bama squeaks this out. Bama 20 Miss ST 13 in OT

Auburn vs Georgia

Does the Georgia QB throw more then eight attempts with Gurley back ? Does Auburn play like they have something to play for ?

Georgia 42 Auburn 38

FSU vs Miami

Please Miami win. I haven't said that ever. Please win.

Miami 31 FSU 30

Only games I really care about

[Revering4Blue]

I bet Missouri isn't in the SEC for 10 years. They will eventually be in Big 10.

If it were up to Paul Finebaum, they'd be gone tomorrow.

[Revering4Blue]

I never thought I'd say this, but props to Lane Kiffin as Bama's OC. Granted, during Nussmeier's tenure as OC, the defense was so good that it payed for the offense to play it close to the vest so that the defense would win the game, but Kiffin has really opened things up and tailored his offense to fit the athleticsm of Blake Sims.

Given the fact that Kiffin essentially ran the athletic Tajh Boyd out of Knoxville for supposedly not fitting his system, I must admit that I fully expected Kiffin to try to turn Sims into a robotic dropback passer. But, no matter what happens to Bama the rest of the year, Kiffin has proven me wrong.

[jojo]

Well, you are forgetting that once a team joins the SEC they immediately improve in football just by being amongst the best teams in the nation.

(This was actually said on here by some posters)

I could buy the argument that it would help with recruiting.

[Sea Ray]

Now that Jones has finally inserted a Qb that fits his system, I'm not underestimating them at all. BTW, the win over Utah State looks better and better with each passing week.

Dobbs makes a huge difference. I don't think it's so much Jones' system but the college game in general. Unless you've got an O-line of pro prospects like Alabama has had (and protected AJ McCarron) you really need a QB that can pickup yards. Just about every college is running the read option and that play is worthless if your QB is Justin Worley.

Dobbs ran for over 100 yards vs SC. Without those yds they lose by 2 TDs easy. That shows you the value of a QB

[KronoRed]

Crazy to think that Missouri and the majority of its fan base wants to still be part of the Big 10.

Can't wait till they end up there and not just because they are Muschamp's kryptonite.

[dabvu2498]

Can't wait till they end up there and not just because they are Muschamp's kryptonite.

I wonder about their long-term success as well. If UF gets their heads out of their rear ends, UT improves from the lowest point in their history, and the Spurrier Death March ends, it could be tough sledding. UM has some pretty serious disadvantages. And with their "success" for the first three years in the league, it's still likely that their three year SEC record is 15-9 or 14-10 for that period. It's nice, but nothing fantastic.

And that all comes back to the East being a huge pile of poo.

[jojo]

http://collegespun.com/sec/auburn-sec/recent-texas-am-grad-posts-complimentary-story-about-auburn-staff-helping-him-find-lost-aggie-ring

[Todd Gack]

The luck meme is BS.


Because as we all know, luck is never part of the game

[jojo]

Because as we all know, luck is never part of the game

Ya, that's exactly the premise behind the statement-thanks for trying to characterize the position as accurately as you could.

But as we also always know, the luck meme doesn't actually stand up to even the most honest, cursory scrutiny of actual events.

[Boston Red]

Weird day. Tennessee beats a team with two SEC wins by 5 TDs. Auburn is all of a sudden terrible. Mizzou is an offensive juggernaut in College Station. South Carolina goes on the road to beat a team that recently crushed Georgia. About the only thing true to form was Alabama handling Mississippi State, and even that was weird with the #1 team as a double digit dog.

Forgot to mention Arky thumping LSU, too.

[19braves77]

The Gus bus has three flat tires.

[Sea Ray]

After game 1 of the 2014 season:


Tennessee's performance was very uninspiring. It's gonna be tough for them to get a win in the SEC.

No "shenanigans" and please don't be "obtuse". I don't think a "ba boom" would be appropriate here either but the fact is Tennessee's win over Kentucky yesterday was anything but tough.

So please repeat after me:

"Greetings Redszone. My name is JoJo and I was wrong."

[Sea Ray]

Weird day. Tennessee beats a team with two SEC wins by 5 TDs. Auburn is all of a sudden terrible. Mizzou is an offensive juggernaut in College Station. South Carolina goes on the road to beat a team that recently crushed Georgia. About the only thing true to form was Alabama handling Mississippi State, and even that was weird with the #1 team as a double digit dog.

Forgot to mention Arky thumping LSU, too.

Nothing weird about Tennessee thumping UK in football. It's just a return to the norm

[RedTeamGo!]

Auburn is not good at football this season. Wow, that was a spanking.

[RedTeamGo!]

@ESPNRobertSmith: Don't forget: Auburn over K State is the crowning achievement of the SEC out of conference this year. #counterfeited

[Boston Red]

LSU over Wisconsin? And LSU has 4 SEC losses.

[Boston Red]

The Will Muschamp Era has finally been mercifully put down at Florida.

[KronoRed]

When the other teams coach mocks you with "I really feel sorry for them" you have to make a move.

[dabvu2498]

LSU over Wisconsin? And LSU has 4 SEC losses.

I'll also be waiting for a list of Big 10 wins that are as good as the following:
K-State
Wisconsin
Clemson
West Virginia

[Boston Red]

Miami, Mizzou and Notre Dame are the only three I saw from the Big Howevermany worth talking about.

[jojo]

The Gus bus has three flat tires.

The performance last night was consistent with what a team that's not mentally tough might do. It'll be interesting to see how they bounce back.

[jojo]

After game 1 of the 2014 season:



No "shenanigans" and please don't be "obtuse". I don't think a "ba boom" would be appropriate here either but the fact is Tennessee's win over Kentucky yesterday was anything but tough.

So please repeat after me:

"Greetings Redszone. My name is JoJo and I was wrong."

It's a PUTZ thing to do to try and call someone out when you wouldn't even go on record. And for the record, I wasn't wrong. Tennennesee sucks and theyve had a hard time getting any SEC wins. You weren't wrong because you wouldn't even take a position. Quit being bush league.

[jojo]

@ESPNRobertSmith: Don't forget: Auburn over K State is the crowning achievement of the SEC out of conference this year. #counterfeited

The big ten doesn't even deserve a playoff spot. #counterfeited.

[Sea Ray]

It's a PUTZ thing to do to try and call someone out when you wouldn't even go on record. And for the record, I wasn't wrong. Tennennesee sucks and theyve had a hard time getting any SEC wins. You weren't wrong because you wouldn't even take a position. Quit being bush league.

This isn't about me. You were wrong no matter if I'd ever stepped foot into RZ. And I did take a stand. I told you at the time that you were dead wrong and that I'd remind you of your silly statement later on. Does Tennessee suck? That's up for debate but that's not what you said. You said that they would struggle to win a game in the SEC knowing full well that Kentucky and Vandy were on their schedule. I gave you a shot to put this to bed but now after reaching rock bottom, you've done the predictable for your ilk and proceeded to keep digging.:laugh:

[jojo]

This isn't about me. You were wrong no matter if I'd ever stepped foot into RZ. And I did take a stand. I told you at the time that you were dead wrong and that I'd remind you of your silly statement later on. Does Tennessee suck? That's up for debate but that's not what you said. You said that they would struggle to win a game in the SEC knowing full well that Kentucky and Vandy were on their schedule. I gave you a shot to put this to bed but now after reaching rock bottom, you've done the predictable for your ilk and proceeded to keep digging.:laugh:

It's exactly about you. Admit you were a wussy and are now being a putz and then we can argue about what exactly I said which as you already quoted was "UT will struggle to win an SEC game".

Yay, the vols beat up a team that has ran off of the rail in the last month. You didn't do anything and that's the point. You don't get to act like you were somehow smart and don't talk about ilk when you couldn't locate Mike and Will if Sam was on fire and screaming for you to get them. I celebrated the Vols win last week with a refrain of Rocky Top and now you're acting like your ilk which doesn't ever dig but usually needs to have some dirt piled on it to lower the smell.

[jojo]

Wowsers Florida pulls the trigger.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/muschamp-fired-florida-gators-report-article-1.2012663

[dabvu2498]

So who does Florida get?

Freeze? Mullen? B. Stoops? RichRod? Todd Graham?

[Boston Red]

Strong?

[Roy Tucker]

It's exactly about you. Admit you were a wussy and are now being a putz

Uh oh. Jojo and Sea Ray, after school behind the football stadium. Big rumble.

[jojo]

So who does Florida get?

Freeze? Mullen? B. Stoops? RichRod? Todd Graham?

Mullen would be the immediate generic top candidate except not sure Mullen fits the culture at U of F... the post Meyer era where the state that Meyer left the place left a bitter taste.

- - - Updated - - -


Uh oh. Jojo and Sea Ray, after school behind the football stadium. Big rumble.

I'm guessing one wouldn't show but would later preen around about not losing.

[KronoRed]

Strong?
He's loyal to a fault and was reportedly pissed Muschamp got the job over him, doubt he dumps the cows after one year.

[19braves77]

For three weeks all I heard with co workers and friends is all the scenarios on how Auburn was getting into the playoffs. Today I want to discuss it further and nothing but crickets.

In regards to Florida, Saban want his assistants to stay at least 2 years after signing or being rewarded an extension before they move on... Kiffin won't be going anywhere nor will Smart.

Worst thing about this timing is that Florida is sure to lose a recruit or two to Alabama, FSU, or Georgia.

[19braves77]

double posty

[KronoRed]

In regards to Florida, Saban want his assistants to stay at least 2 years after signing or being rewarded an extension before they move on... Kiffin won't be going anywhere nor will Smart.



That's good, Florida wouldn't want either, Smart is almost an exact clone of the guy just fired and Kiffy has repeatedly been a failure as a head coach.

[Boston Red]

I don't think Troy would want Kiffin, much less Florida.

[jojo]

For three weeks all I heard with co workers and friends is all the scenarios on how Auburn was getting into the playoffs. Today I want to discuss it further and nothing but crickets.

In regards to Florida, Saban want his assistants to stay at least 2 years after signing or being rewarded an extension before they move on... Kiffin won't be going anywhere nor will Smart.

Worst thing about this timing is that Florida is sure to lose a recruit or two to Alabama, FSU, or Georgia.

Someone sounds like they've got bitter brother syndrome.

[Sea Ray]

Uh oh. Jojo and Sea Ray, after school behind the football stadium. Big rumble.

:laugh:

Oh, there's nothing to settle. Jojo blew it and the facts say so:


Tennessee's performance was very uninspiring. It's gonna be tough for them to get a win in the SEC.




Your prediction about them not getting a win in the SEC will be as prophetic as your one about SC smashing Tex AM ...



I'm glad you're on the record here. We'll re-visit your predictions in December...maybe sooner ...



We'll see if you were right or if you underestimated the Vols in a few months. I think you're underestimating them. We'll revisit your comments indeed...



My opinion is that you're dead wrong about the 2014 Vols. They will not go winless in the SEC...Nice try though. I can see you're already worried about your UT predictions. This is going to be fun! ...


I'm not arguing with you, as much as you try. We'll let the season speak for itself. For the final time: I think you're underestimating the 2014 Vols. Now go bark at the moon...


So to recap, on 5 separate occasions I predicted that Jojo would be dead wrong about his UT prediction after the soundly defeated Utah St. Do I have special predictive powers? Absolutely not. Predicting that Jojo will be wrong is anything but special. All of us can do it often. What's particularly entertaining is seeing him dig his ditch deeper and deeper.

The show's not over yet. We just may have this little diddy to deal with soon:





Your best bet for the Vols going bowling will be at the Strike & Spare on North Broadway.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[jojo]

blah blah blah

The actual recap....SeaRay was given multiple chances to actually predict which SEC games he thought the Vols would win in response to others saying the Vols would struggle in the SEC this year and he precisely named........wait a minute.......wait for it......none.

You don't get to call scoreboard in games you didn't play.

Just admit it, you weenied out despite junking up three football threads (big ten, UK and SEC) with your self congratulatory nonsense.

[Sea Ray]

The actual recap....SeaRay was given multiple chances to actually predict which SEC games he thought the Vols would win in response to others saying the Vols would struggle in the SEC this year and he precisely named........wait a minute.......wait for it......none.

You don't get to call scoreboard in games you didn't play.

Just admit it, you weenied out despite junking up three football threads (big ten, UK and SEC) with your self congratulatory nonsense.

Why would I double down on the mistake you made? I'm not that stupid. In fact your prediction of the Vols going winless in the SEC was unsolicited. You came out with that all on your own. Regardless of what I may or may not have predicted, you were wrong...dead wrong...now one more time: Say to all of Redszone: "I was wrong"

I did say that the Vols would not go winless and on that I was right. Care to admit that too?

[jojo]

But since you're an SEC all-encyclopedian, grace me with the fore-knowledge concerning the wins that the Vols will rack up from below:

Oklahoma
Georgia
Florida
Ole Miss
Bama
Scouth Carolina
Kentucky
Mizzou
Vandy

Your best bet for the Vols going bowling will be at the Strike & Spare on North Broadway. Line play does matter, especially in the SEC.

And by the way, my prediction was:


Tennessee's performance was very uninspiring. It's gonna be tough for them to get a win in the SEC.

Guess, what, that prediction was dead on accurate. They play in a division that is weaker than the Big 10 and they are tied for second to last. And this prediction really nailed it:


In other words, you won't go on record but if the vols do something unlikely, you'll act like you knew it would happen all along.

Concerning this notion that someone actually had a position:


No sense in arguing about them now. I'm not in the Miss Cleo field. Apparently you are. We'll see if you were right or if you underestimated the Vols in a few months. I think you're underestimating them. We'll revisit your comments indeed

Pretty weak sauce especially when a few posts later you were forced to admit that it isn't an impossibility at all that the Vols would struggle to win SEC games.

Yay. The Vols are tied for second to last in a weak sauce division. Guess it's easy to see where all of the weak sauce is coming from.

But when you refuse to actually give any kind of reason whatsoever other than "we'll wait and see", despite being given at least 5 opportunities, don't come in later and try to act smart. You of all people haven't earned it. This actually isn't about me at all. Its about you being obtuse and now you trying to crow.

[Sea Ray]

Guess, what, that prediction was dead on accurate. They play in a division that is weaker than the Big 10 and they are tied for second to last. And this prediction really nailed it:



Concerning this notion that someone actually had a position:



Pretty weak sauce especially when a few posts later you were forced to admit that it isn't an impossibility at all that the Vols would struggle to win SEC games.

Yay. The Vols are tied for second to last in a weak sauce division. Guess it's easy to see where all of the weak sauce is coming from.

But when you refuse to actually give any kind of reason whatsoever other than "we'll wait and see", despite being given at least 5 opportunities, don't come in later and try to act smart. You of all people haven't earned it. This actually isn't about me at all. Its about you being obtuse and now you trying to crow.

Dead on accurate? Did UT struggle to beat UK? Is UK an SEC team? What's great is that you're not disappointing us. Everyone here knows what you predicted and they also knew full well that you'd not admit to being wrong.

Is UT weak sauce? Perhaps but that's not what you predicted in Sept. Winning one game is weak sauce...but you predicted they'd be even worse than that. Winless in the SEC would be historically bad.

Just 'cause I'm a nice guy, I'm going to give you a chance to recant your strikes and spares comment. Still think UT will not go to a Bowl game or has your prediction changed?

[Boston Red]

I'm impressed by both the passion and pointlessness of this argument.

[Sea Ray]

I'm impressed by both the passion and pointlessness of this argument.

As I recall you reminded Jojo at the time of his "prediction" that Tennessee did have UK and Vanderbilt on their schedule. Can't say he wasn't warned...

[Boston Red]

I am willing to go out on a limb and predict that Tennessee will finish 6-6 and go to the whyarewehere.com Bowl in Branson, MO (or somewhere equally as terrible)...and that Vol fans will actually appreciate being there this year.

The bar will be a bit higher next year, though.

[jojo]

Dead on accurate? Did UT struggle to beat UK? Is UK an SEC team? What's great is that you're not disappointing us. Everyone here knows what you predicted and they also knew full well that you'd not admit to being wrong.

You are claiming to be a super intelligent football analyst because the Vols have a .333 winning percentage in the SEC. Is that not the very definition of struggling? It's about the silliest preening ever. But I guess, for Vols fans, that's success.


Just 'cause I'm a nice guy, I'm going to give you a chance to recant your strikes and spares comment. Still think UT will not go to a Bowl game or has your prediction changed?

I still maintain that the Vols are going to struggle to win in the SEC. And you're acting like a turd.

[jojo]

As I recall you reminded Jojo at the time of his "prediction" that Tennessee did have UK and Vanderbilt on their schedule. Can't say he wasn't warned...

You refused to suggest any outcome. Actually, can't say that there is even a debate.

[RedTeamGo!]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/cancel-all-my-meetings.jpg

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee's star LB AJ Johnson has been named in sexual assault case in something that happened on Saturday night. Not good for him or the team. :thumbdown:

[dabvu2498]

Tennessee's star LB AJ Johnson has been named in sexual assault case in something that happened on Saturday night. Not good for him or the team. :thumbdown:

Soph DB Michael Williams as well.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2014/11/17/two-ut-students-accused-rape-sexual-assault/19169563/

[Sea Ray]

Athletes get women easier than anyone...I don't get why they have to resort to violence. As a UT fan...next man up and let's win without 'em!

[RedTeamGo!]

Athletes get women easier than anyone...I don't get why they have to resort to violence.

Because they are ego-maniacs that aren't used to being told "no."

My wife told me a story about how she was at a party when she was an undergrad at OU. She was sitting on a couch in the living waiting for her friend to get out of the bathroom and a big football player was sitting across from her on another couch. He said (without having said one word to her before this), "So. We are going to have sex, right?" and my wife said "Uh...no..." and he immediately became furious that she said no and started turning red. Luckily it was a full house so she was not alone, but that is all it took. That guy probably rarely heard the word "no" and didn't like it. Imagine if they were alone.

We live in society that idolizes star athletes from a young age, and we build them up to a point where they think they can do no wrong. It is kind of disturbing.

[Sea Ray]

Because they are ego-maniacs that aren't used to being told "no."

My wife told me a story about how she was at a party when she was an undergrad at OU. She was sitting on a couch in the living waiting for her friend to get out of the bathroom and a big football player was sitting across from her on another couch. He said (without having said one word to her before this), "So. We are going to have sex, right?" and my wife said "Uh...no..." and he immediately became furious that she said no and started turning red. Luckily it was a full house so she was not alone, but that is all it took. That guy probably rarely heard the word "no" and didn't like it. Imagine if they were alone.

We live in society that idolizes star athletes from a young age, and we build them up to a point where they think they can do no wrong. It is kind of disturbing.

That's not even one of the better pick up lines I've heard. If the guy really thought playing football entitled him to those sorts of perks, he should have gone to a real football school. My guess is he wasn't good enough

[jojo]

Athletes get women easier than anyone...I don't get why they have to resort to violence. As a UT fan...next man up and let's win without 'em!

Well it doesn't help that the University of Tennessee covers assaults up.