College Football playoff rankings are out

[Chip R]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11780604/college-football-playoff-rankings-mississippi-state-bulldogs-florida-state-seminoles-top

[RedTeamGo!]

Ole Miss and Oregon ahead of ND is a joke.

ND took the defending champs down to the wire on the road.
Ole Miss looked like garbage and lost against a mediocre LSU
Oregon lost at home to Arizona.

Whatever, first ranking doesn't matter

[dabvu2498]

Ole Miss and Oregon ahead of ND is a joke.

ND took the defending champs down to the wire on the road.
Ole Miss looked like garbage and lost against a mediocre LSU
Oregon lost at home to Arizona.

Whatever, first ranking doesn't matter

Notre Dame really doesn't have an impressive win yet. Stanford is a nice win, just barely, but it doesn't compare to beating Alabama or Michigan St. If you're strictly comparing losses, Notre Dame has the "best" loss. But that's not the whole picture.

[dabvu2498]

If you really want to make your head hurt, check out the computer rankings:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/09/15/college-football-computer-composite-ranking-week-3/15666409/

[BuckeyeRed27]

Notre Dame really doesn't have an impressive win yet. Stanford is a nice win, just barely, but it doesn't compare to beating Alabama or Michigan St. If you're strictly comparing losses, Notre Dame has the "best" loss. But that's not the whole picture.

Exactly. Not a bad loss but they are hurt by Michigan being a dumpster fire and Stanford being just ok so far.

[KronoRed]

Bring back the bcs rankings.

[cumberlandreds]

I thought the rankings were about right. If Notre Dame wins out they will be in the playoff. They just don't have really good wins yet. Lots of games left and these standings will change a lot. They will definitely change after this weekend. Auburn plays Ole Miss, so one of those two will drop down and basically be out of it.
I was glad to see Ole Miss ranked ahead of Alabama. I was glad they took head to head games seriously.

[Assembly Hall]

Lots of football to be played yet.

[traderumor]

Until the traditional top teams in the power conferences start playing each other on a regular basis in season, it is always going to be a crap shoot and perception is going to be worth more than reality.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Miss St certainly has a better loss but at this point they don't have any good wins. It would be close if they both win out, but I agree enough else will happen that I'm not sure it will matter.

[traderumor]

With 4 teams in the mix, one thing has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, is that the SEC dominating the rankings is a self fulfilling prophecy, they are the best conference, so the best teams in the conference play each other, the winner is now the best team in the country. Miss. St. was "the best team in the country," now the team that beat them is the best team in the country.

[dabvu2498]

With 4 teams in the mix, one thing has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, is that the SEC dominating the rankings is a self fulfilling prophecy, they are the best conference, so the best teams in the conference play each other, the winner is now the best team in the country. Miss. St. was "the best team in the country," now the team that beat them is the best team in the country.

So the selection committee has already ranked Bama #1??? How'd I miss that?!?

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think this version will be
Fsu
Oregon
Bama
Baylor
Msu
Tcu
OSU

[traderumor]

The politics of the process will be the only thing preventing it, I'm sure but even the thought by some that Miss St is still top 4 says it all...and the ongoing over ranking of Auburn.

[jojo]

The politics of the process will be the only thing preventing it, I'm sure but even the thought by some that Miss St is still top 4 says it all...and the ongoing over ranking of Auburn.

MSU lost by 5 in Bryant-Denny stadium to a top 5 team and now they are pretenders and the SEC is over rated?

I'm not sure there is a big ten team that would escape the SEC west with fewer than 3 losses.

[RedTeamGo!]

So the selection committee has already ranked Bama #1??? How'd I miss that?!?

Did you know the chairman of the playoff committee is the athletic director of Arkansas?

[dabvu2498]

Did you know the chairman of the playoff committee is the athletic director of Arkansas?

And that Tom Osborne and Barry Alvarez are also members? Yeah. I knew that.

[jojo]

And that Tom Osborne and Barry Alvarez are also members? Yeah. I knew that.

Seriously the obsession certain big ten fanbases have with chasing some conspiracy that apparently is being orchestrated to rob them of their glory isn't even funny anymore. It's sad.

[RedTeamGo!]

Seriously the obsession certain big ten fanbases have with chasing some conspiracy that apparently is being orchestrated to rob them of their glory isn't even funny anymore. It's sad.

I'm not doing that - I don't think Osu deserves to be in the playoff after losing to va tech, but I do think it's weird an sec athletic director is chairman of the committee. I honestly don't understand why they went with a committee at all. Why not just use the bcs system and take the top 4?

[KronoRed]

I'm not doing that - I don't think Osu deserves to be in the playoff after losing to va tech, but I do think it's weird an sec athletic director is chairman of the committee. I honestly don't understand why they went with a committee at all. Why not just use the bcs system and take the top 4?

A nice corrupt committee is much better ;)

[Slyder]

I wish FSU would lose, I really can't stand the fact that the ACC is getting any love. If any other team from that stupid conference were undefeated (and not played FSU yet) they'd be getting shat on like Marshall. The ACC football is a complete joke.

[jojo]

I'm not doing that - I don't think Osu deserves to be in the playoff after losing to va tech, but I do think it's weird an sec athletic director is chairman of the committee. I honestly don't understand why they went with a committee at all. Why not just use the bcs system and take the top 4?

I think they should've used the BCS system and went with 8. It's tough to envision that system leaving out a truly deserving team.

[dabvu2498]

So the selection committee has already ranked Bama #1??? How'd I miss that?!?

Well. Mea culpa.

I'd have the same top 4, I think, but in a different order. I'm surprised MSU's OOC schedule isn't dragging them a little. Baylor's is obviously hurting their ranking.

[traderumor]

Well. Mea culpa.

I'd have the same top 4, I think, but in a different order. I'm surprised MSU's OOC schedule isn't dragging them a little. Baylor's is obviously hurting their ranking.

Gee, I wouldn't know why anyone would think as I do. Its just my Big 10 whiny behind, after all. The SEC self-fulfilling prophecy myth continues. "We are the best, so when we beat each other, we are still the best, just whoever beats who last is the best and whoever got beat last is the nextest bestest. We have to pick two more, but we all know..." A very intelligent, thoughtful system.

[Sea Ray]

Well. Mea culpa.

I'd have the same top 4, I think, but in a different order. I'm surprised MSU's OOC schedule isn't dragging them a little. Baylor's is obviously hurting their ranking.

Looks like all Miss St has to do to make the playoff is to win the Egg Bowl. A win over Ole Miss will trump any win the teams below them can do so I don't see them being leaped if they win that one.

As for the Big Ten, their only hope for respect is if OSU runs the table. If Wisc beats them then the Big Ten will drop from the national conversation

[dabvu2498]

Gee, I wouldn't know why anyone would think as I do. Its just my Big 10 whiny behind, after all. The SEC self-fulfilling prophecy myth continues. "We are the best, so when we beat each other, we are still the best, just whoever beats who last is the best and whoever got beat last is the nextest bestest. We have to pick two more, but we all know..." A very intelligent, thoughtful system.

So what would your 4 be and justify it using thought and intelligence? Thanks

[dabvu2498]

Gee, I wouldn't know why anyone would think as I do. Its just my Big 10 whiny behind, after all. The SEC self-fulfilling prophecy myth continues. "We are the best, so when we beat each other, we are still the best, just whoever beats who last is the best and whoever got beat last is the nextest bestest. We have to pick two more, but we all know..." A very intelligent, thoughtful system.

FWIW, if we're talking "intelligence," the composite computer rankings have 3 of the top 4 teams from the SEC. They beg your pardon for their bias.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

[jojo]

FWIW, if we're talking "intelligence," the composite computer rankings have 3 of the top 4 teams from the SEC. They beg your pardon for their bias.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

But, but, but.....SEC teams cheat because they don't have to play in the snow!

[RedTeamGo!]

But, but, but.....SEC teams cheat because they don't have to play in the snow!

Who said that?

[jojo]

Who said that?

Just about every Big Ten fan in the history of the universe and even spanning before that has said that.

[Assembly Hall]

All I can is that I hope the Buckeyes sneak in there and win the championship!!!!!!!

[Sea Ray]

All I can is that I hope the Buckeyes sneak in there and win the championship!!!!!!!

They should because they sure have an easier road than the SEC teams do. But history tells us that OSU will sneak in and get blown out once there. We'll see how this yr goes

[RedTeamGo!]

Just about every Big Ten fan in the history of the universe and even spanning before that has said that.

Oh, ok, so your imagination. Glad we got that settled.

I have heard Big Ten fans say "It would be interesting to see LSU/Alabama/Georgia, etc play in Columbus/Madison/Ann Arbor in December, but have never heard a fan say the SEC teams are cheating for not doing so.

That would be a first.

[Sea Ray]

Oh, ok, so your imagination. Glad we got that settled.

A common refrain from Big Ten fans on why they don't do better in Bowl games is because the games aren't played in Big Ten Country out in the open air

[RedTeamGo!]

A common refrain from Big Ten fans on why they don't do better in Bowl games is because the games aren't played in Big Ten Country out in the open air

Indeed, but they do not say the SEC teams are cheating for not playing the bowls in the north. That is a new one.

[Sea Ray]

Indeed, but they do not say the SEC teams are cheating for not playing the bowls in the north. That is a new one.

That's because you're new around here. Big Ten folks have indeed shot back after losing the Citrus and Outback Bowls that they're being played in SEC territory

[RedTeamGo!]

That's because you're new around here. Big Ten folks have indeed shot back after losing the Citrus and Outback Bowls that they're being played in SEC territory

Yeah, I get that - but I have never heard a Big Ten fan state the SEC teams are cheating for not playing games in the north.

I would love to watch LSU or Alabama play at Wisconsin or at Ohio State in November, but it will never happen, and not just because of the SEC teams.

You cannot tell me playing in 15 degree weather would not effect players that are used to playing in 60 degree weather. It is not cheating, though.

[Sea Ray]

Yeah, I get that - but I have never heard a Big Ten fan state the SEC teams are cheating for not playing games in the north.

I've given you examples of what I've heard in the past. If you still don't agree with how JJ's comments were worded then so be it. A common refrain from Big Ten fans after getting burned by a much faster SEC team is "OK, but let's play the game in the snow and ice in Big Ten country and see what happens?"

[RedTeamGo!]

I've given you examples of what I've heard in the past. If you still don't agree with how JJ's comments were worded then so be it. A common refrain from Big Ten fans after getting burned by a much faster SEC team is "OK, but let's play the game in the snow and ice in Big Ten country and see what happens?"

I have heard the refrain before, but "cheating" is a strong accusation that I have never heard in this context. It may be semantics, but if one is going to throw that term out there expect to be called out on it.

[Assembly Hall]

They should because they sure have an easier road than the SEC teams do. But history tells us that OSU will sneak in and get blown out once there. We'll see how this yr goes


As long as it aint the Rose Bowl, they will be alright!!!!!! LOL

[RedTeamGo!]

They should because they sure have an easier road than the SEC teams do. But history tells us that OSU will sneak in and get blown out once there. We'll see how this yr goes

Other than the national championship they won in 2003 against one of the best teams in the history of college football, but yeah, lets ignore that.

[Assembly Hall]

I've given you examples of what I've heard in the past. If you still don't agree with how JJ's comments were worded then so be it. A common refrain from Big Ten fans after getting burned by a much faster SEC team is "OK, but let's play the game in the snow and ice in Big Ten country and see what happens?"

As a BIG fan, I have heard this many of times myself. Also as BIG fan, that lives in the heart of BIG country, I am one that always laughs at that notion. Bad weather affects both teams.....yeah we might be use to the cold up here, but a slippery football is a slippery football. Speed is speed. At the college level, speed trumps most other things.

[Sea Ray]

As long as it aint the Rose Bowl, they will be alright!!!!!! LOL

Their blowout losses to SEC teams never occurred at the Rose Bowl

[Sea Ray]

Other than the national championship they won in 2003 against one of the best teams in the history of college football, but yeah, lets ignore that.

Looking at history would you classify that game as an outlier?

[RedTeamGo!]

Looking at history would you classify that game as an outlier?

History says OSU has won 7 national championships, so no, I do not think that game was an outlier.

You can hate all you want, OSU got beaten badly by LSU and Florida, but has a history of being one of the most dominant programs in college football history.

It was two games, it does not define the history of a program.

[jojo]

Oh, ok, so your imagination. Glad we got that settled.

I have heard Big Ten fans say "It would be interesting to see LSU/Alabama/Georgia, etc play in Columbus/Madison/Ann Arbor in December, but have never heard a fan say the SEC teams are cheating for not doing so.

That would be a first.

So rather than iut being imagination, you concede the point.

[gonelong]

The more prestigious bowl games have traditionally been played in areas that are warmer. Out of conference games are mostly scheduled early in the season. It's not some conspiracy, its not cheating, but it's reality. It ain't gonna change anytime soon either.

One could argue about the weight such factors that some teams/conferences occasionally play psudo home games in the larger bowls might play into each teams performance. One could argue about the weight that has those same teams/conferences often playing in the weather they are acclimated to vs. a team that is acclimated to a radically different environment might play in each team's performance.

If one would dismiss either or both of these factors out of hand then clearly they are not being intellectually honest.

I hope they go to an 8 team playoff with conference winners getting the automatic birth. I suspect we will see a much larger number of out-of conference match-ups of significance as a loss in those games would do nothing to affect that teams chance at a National Championship.

GL

[Assembly Hall]

Their blowout losses to SEC teams never occurred at the Rose Bowl


I am just saying that the Bucks never fared well in the Rose Bowl in my lifetime.

[Sea Ray]

History says OSU has won 7 national championships, so no, I do not think that game was an outlier.

You can hate all you want, OSU got beaten badly by LSU and Florida, but has a history of being one of the most dominant programs in college football history.

It was two games, it does not define the history of a program.

I love it...I love seeing how folks like you think. You way you think, one could make a case for how well the Cleveland Browns fare in winning championships. How many of those 7 championships happened in your lifetime? How many before most people had color TVs? Yes, your mention of OSU squeaking out a double OT win over Miami U in controversial fashion is so noted.

[jimbo]

A common refrain from Big Ten fans on why they don't do better in Bowl games is because the games aren't played in Big Ten Country out in the open air

Big10 fans aren't clinically obsessed with conference affiliation like SEC fans. As a Buckeyes fan, I really pay little attention to what other Big10 teams are doing. Every time I hear SEC fans talking smack about other conferences, all I can picture is all of their mascots holding hands in a big circle singing Kumbaya. It really is starting to kill my interest in college football. I wish the SEC would just break off by themselves from the rest of college football and do their own thing. Nobody else is worthy anyways, right?

[Sea Ray]

Big10 fans aren't clinically obsessed with conference affiliation like SEC fans. As a Buckeyes fan, I really pay little attention to what other Big10 teams are doing. Every time I hear SEC fans talking smack about other conferences, all I can picture is all of their mascots holding hands in a big circle singing Kumbaya. It really is starting to kill my interest in college football. I wish the SEC would just break off by themselves from the rest of college football and do their own thing. Nobody else is worthy anyways, right?

I've attended schools in both the conferences and there's a lot of truth to what you say where football is concerned. But how do SEC fans affect your ability to enjoy Ohio State beating Mich St?

[RedTeamGo!]

So rather than iut being imagination, you concede the point.

No, I did no such thing. You said they accused SEC teams of cheating. I said they did not accuse the SEC of "cheating."

[jimbo]

I've attended schools in both the conferences and there's a lot of truth to what you say where football is concerned. But how do SEC fans affect your ability to enjoy Ohio State beating Mich St?

Because when OSU beats Michigan St., every sports channel and message board in the world of college athletics has SEC homers diminishing the win. When they win a national championship, all I hear is fans like yourself diminishing it as you just did a few posts back. SEC obsession and arrogance is on full display everywhere you go. No Buckeye or Big10 win is legitimate in the eyes of SEC homers. I'm a Reds fan, but I don't get satisfaction when the Cardinals win the ws. I'm a Browns fan, but I don't get satisfaction when the Steelers win the sb. I just don't get the obsession.

[jojo]

Because when OSU beats Michigan St., every sports channel and message board in the world of college athletics has SEC homers diminishing the win. When they win a national championship, all I hear is fans like yourself diminishing it as you just did a few posts back. SEC obsession and arrogance is on full display everywhere you go. No Buckeye or Big10 win is legitimate in the eyes of SEC homers. I'm a Reds fan, but I don't get satisfaction when the Cardinals win the ws. I'm a Browns fan, but I don't get satisfaction when the Steelers win the sb. I just don't get the obsession.

Yes. More than anything else, OSU fans are known for their humility and lack of a sense of entitlement.

[Assembly Hall]

Yes. More than anything else, OSU fans are known for their humility and lack of a sense of entitlement.

LMAO......the Michigan fans will tell you that!!!!!!!!!

[Kingspoint]

As a BIG fan, I have heard this many of times myself. Also as BIG fan, that lives in the heart of BIG country, I am one that always laughs at that notion. Bad weather affects both teams.....yeah we might be use to the cold up here, but a slippery football is a slippery football. Speed is speed. At the college level, speed trumps most other things.
SEC teams are plodders...slow-footed sloths, compared to University of Oregon teams. They play in terrible weather conditions in Eugene. I do like how Big-10 and Pac-12 schools regularly schedule pre-season games against each other. It would be nice if tge SEC schools had the guts to schedule something other than Pop Warner schools on their non-conference schedules. That they get home games for Bowl games is a huge advantage.

Money talks. When it speaks loud enough to play games up North, only then will it change. Even if the money was great, nobody wants to go to Seattle, Chicago, Columbus, New York or anywhere else up North in January when tgey can go to LA or Miami. But, it still doesn't explain tge desire for Texas or Phoenix.

[top6]

Because when OSU beats Michigan St., every sports channel and message board in the world of college athletics has SEC homers diminishing the win. When they win a national championship, all I hear is fans like yourself diminishing it as you just did a few posts back. SEC obsession and arrogance is on full display everywhere you go. No Buckeye or Big10 win is legitimate in the eyes of SEC homers. I'm a Reds fan, but I don't get satisfaction when the Cardinals win the ws. I'm a Browns fan, but I don't get satisfaction when the Steelers win the sb. I just don't get the obsession.

I agree with you to a point. It is so confusing.

I can understand JoJo's posts. He is a Reds fan likely surrounded by Ohio State fans (at least on the internet) and roots for a team that has been very successful and certainly more successful than the Buckeyes in recent years. I get where his trash talk comes from.

But Sea Ray roots for a college football team that hasn't had any significant success for more than a decade. By any measure--even after having a coach fired and a season suspended--the Buckeyes' football program has been vastly superior to the Volunteers' program for the entire life of this message board. And yet Sea Ray seems comfortable constantly pointing out Ohio State's failings because ... other teams in the SEC are good? I honestly don't get it at all.

As you said, it would be like me going to an Atlanta Braves board and talking trash because our division is better in a year where the Cardinals win. Actually, that metaphor doesn't really work because the Reds--unlike the Volunteers--have been moderately successful over the last few years. I guess it would be more like a Cubs fans talking trash to a Braves fan based on the Cardinals' success.

I am not criticizing Sea Ray, just using him as an example. He is CERTAINLY not the only fan of an SEC team that seems to fell this way. I am barely a college football fan anymore; just root for the Buckeyes and watch a few games each year. But I find the whole "fan of the SEC" thing to be fascinatingly weird.

[gonelong]

Yes, your mention of OSU squeaking out a double OT win over Miami U in controversial fashion is so noted.

That game was over in regulation when OSU caught the ball for a first down and could then run out the clock. Problem was the refs blew the call and OSU had to punt. With instant replay that game never gets to overtime.

GL

[jojo]

SEC teams are plodders...slow-footed sloths, compared to University of Oregon teams. They play in terrible weather conditions in Eugene. I do like how Big-10 and Pac-12 schools regularly schedule pre-season games against each other. It would be nice if tge SEC schools had the guts to schedule something other than Pop Warner schools on their non-conference schedules. That they get home games for Bowl games is a huge advantage.

Money talks. When it speaks loud enough to play games up North, only then will it change. Even if the money was great, nobody wants to go to Seattle, Chicago, Columbus, New York or anywhere else up North in January when tgey can go to LA or Miami. But, it still doesn't explain tge desire for Texas or Phoenix.

Oregon really doesn't outclass top SEC teams from a speed stand point.

[RedTeamGo!]

I love it...I love seeing how folks like you think. You way you think, one could make a case for how well the Cleveland Browns fare in winning championships. How many of those 7 championships happened in your lifetime? How many before most people had color TVs? Yes, your mention of OSU squeaking out a double OT win over Miami U in controversial fashion is so noted.

They won one national championship in my lifetime against one of the best teams in the history of college football. Period. End of story.

[jojo]

That game was over in regulation when OSU caught the ball for a first down and could then run out the clock. Problem was the refs blew the call and OSU had to punt. With instant replay that game never gets to overtime.

GL

And it was a great game to boot. Not sure I see a perjorative with it.

[Kingspoint]

Oregon really doesn't outclass top SEC teams from a speed stand point.

Ask Nick Saban.

[traderumor]

So what would your 4 be and justify it using thought and intelligence? ThanksSays the guy who was so indignant about my pure speculation to predict Alabama's ranking? I think I'll move on, thanks!

[RedTeamGo!]

Says the guy who was so indignant about my pure speculation to predict Alabama's ranking? I think I'll move on, thanks!

Nonsense. You must show respect to the SEC and SEC fans. They are better than you and you must fall in line.

Resistance is futile.

[gonelong]

And it was a great game to boot. Not sure I see a perjorative with it.

Just adding information and context.

GL

[Redsfaithful]

That they get home games for Bowl games is a huge advantage.

This never gets talked about. It's not the weather, it's that most of the bowl games are in the south.

Ohio State had to play LSU in New Orleans, and I honestly can't remember anyone even mentioning it.

[jojo]

This never gets talked about. It's not the weather, it's that most of the bowl games are in the south.

Ohio State had to play LSU in New Orleans, and I honestly can't remember anyone even mentioning it.

Most of the really good ones aren't anywhere near what could be called a homegame.

[Roy Tucker]

On the topic of rankings, I think they have the top 4 right. And I'm an OSU fan.

Where it will get interesting is that one of Alabama/Mississippi St. won't make the SEC championship game and how the CFP factors that in. Conference champions is supposed to be on of their major criteria.

[dabvu2498]

Says the guy who was so indignant about my pure speculation to predict Alabama's ranking? I think I'll move on, thanks!

Hey, when my opinion was proven faulty, I admit it. When I ask you to expand on your "self-fulfilling prophecy" opinion by ranking your top 4, you're taking your ball and going home. By all means...

[dabvu2498]

This never gets talked about. It's not the weather, it's that most of the bowl games are in the south.

Ohio State had to play LSU in New Orleans, and I honestly can't remember anyone even mentioning it.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?102860-SEC-Football-discussion-thread-2&p=3014041&viewfull=1#post3014041

It's gets talked about quite a bit around here. Sometimes it's true, sometimes it's not necessarily. LSU getting to play in the Sugar Bowl is a pretty extreme example, I grant you.

[traderumor]

Hey, when my opinion was proven faulty, I admit it. When I ask you to expand on your "self-fulfilling prophecy" opinion by ranking your top 4, you're taking your ball and going home. By all means...
I would call it not dignifying your bait with a response.

[dabvu2498]

I would call it not dignifying your bait with a response.

I'm hardly baiting. I'm curious to know who you think deserves to be in the playoff at this point in time.

[Boston Red]

I'm hardly baiting. I'm curious to know who you think deserves to be in the playoff at this point in time.

I'd go with
1) Florida State
2) Alabama
3) Oregon
4) TCU
5) Mississippi State
6) Baylor
7) Marshall
8) Ohio State

Ok, now that's bait. :)

[*BaseClogger*]

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?102860-SEC-Football-discussion-thread-2&p=3014041&viewfull=1#post3014041

It's gets talked about quite a bit around here. Sometimes it's true, sometimes it's not necessarily. LSU getting to play in the Sugar Bowl is a pretty extreme example, I grant you.

And I graciously ceded you the point :) From a macro perspective, the SEC didn't have any sort of location advantage last year. Where we are coming from, as B1G football fans, is that we *never* get to play so close to home.

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When my dad (an OSU grad) got to his seat in the Superdome in 2008 it was already occupied with an LSU rally towel...

[dabvu2498]

And I graciously ceded you the point :) From a macro perspective, the SEC didn't have any sort of location advantage last year. Where we are coming from, as B1G football fans, is that we *never* get to play so close to home.

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When my dad (an OSU grad) got to his seat in the Superdome in 2008 it was already occupied with an LSU rally towel...

C'mon, man... Accept that Motor City Bowl bid!!! :)

[RedFanAlways1966]

C'mon, man... Accept that Motor City Bowl bid!!! :)

That is what the FIRST OHIO COLLEGE wants. THE Ohio University Bobcats.

[jojo]

I would call it not dignifying your bait with a response.

I would call characterizing that question as baiting a case of textbook avoidance.

[Chip R]

The more prestigious bowl games have traditionally been played in areas that are warmer. Out of conference games are mostly scheduled early in the season. It's not some conspiracy, its not cheating, but it's reality. It ain't gonna change anytime soon either.

I hope they go to an 8 team playoff with conference winners getting the automatic birth. I suspect we will see a much larger number of out-of conference match-ups of significance as a loss in those games would do nothing to affect that teams chance at a National Championship.

GL

Good points. It's not the same but there are games in cold weather that are played in Fayetteville, Lexington, Nashville and Knoxville. Obviously they aren't usually Snow Bowls or Ice Bowls but it can get chilly. And even if they scheduled November/December games in Columbus or State College or East Lansing there is no guarantee the conditions will be cold and/or snowy. I wouldn't mind seeing an SEC team play a Big 10 team in those kind of conditions but right now it isn't feasible.

I too would like to see an expanded playoff. I'd like to see 16 teams with all FBS conference champs getting an automatic bid.

What I also think is that SEC/B10 regular season games in November may become a reality down the road. I think the days of the BCS schools playing FCS or non BCS schools are going to become a thing of the past. So, unless they want to pare back the schedule they are going to have to play each other for strength of schedule purposes. Those games may end up in Wisconsin or Michigan or Ohio in November and December. The BCS schools are going to be a de facto NFL and the conferences will be de facto divisions.

[dabvu2498]

It would be nice if tge SEC schools had the guts to schedule something other than Pop Warner schools on their non-conference schedules.
In the last three years:
Alabama: WVU, Va Tech, Michigan
Auburn: K-State, Washington St., Clemson
Georgia: Clemson x2, Ga Tech x3
Tennessee: NC St, Oregon, Oklahoma
LSU: Wisconsin, TCU, Washington
MS St: Okie St.
Florida: Florida St x3
Ole Miss: Boise St., Texas x2
Mizzou: UCF x2, Az. St.
Kentucky: Louisville x3
Vandy: Northwestern, Wake Forest x2
USCEast: Clemson x3, UNC, UCF, ECU
Arky: Texas Tech, Rutgers x2

A/M has not upped their OOC games yet, but they have: Az. St in 2015 and UCLA in 2016

Speaking of future schedules:
Alabama: Wisconsin, USC
Auburn: Louisville, Clemson
Ole Miss: FSU
LSU: Wisconsin
Tennessee: Oklahoma, Va Tech
Plus all the traditional in-state rivalries.

Those are just the ones I'm aware of.

I'll agree with you, however, that very few teams play as challenging an OOC schedule as Oregon.

[GAC]

Yes. More than anything else, OSU fans are known for their humility and lack of a sense of entitlement.

I don't know too many college football fans who are. A vast majority, especially from the elite (and successful) programs, aren't.

I got a buddy who is from WV, has resided in Columbus for almost 25 years, yet he continually rails about the fanaticism of the fans here and how it sickens him. Really? You're living in the "heartland" of Buckeye country! What do you expect? And if one traveled to Morgantown, Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, or Palo Alto you wouldn't find the same fanaticism and dedication to those programs from their fans?

I find no difference with fans in that aspect. They are the same everywhere. They're all nutcases! LOL

And rivalry/competition between the fans of the various conferences is a good thing IMO. I, personally, take it all in good fun ... unlike some in this discussion. What I roll my eyes at is when that dedication/loyalty to a particular team/conference... as well as that hatred/opposition for .... forces people to discard any sense of fairness and objectivity in their assessments/opinions. In other words, it's not rooted too much in facts. And I address that to fans of any conference (LOL).

[puca]

I think the rankings are reasonable, it's probably as good a guess as to the top 4 teams as any, however that doesn't mean it is a good thing to have a committee chairman with a vested interest. I assume the more SEC teams in the championship playoff, the more money in the pockets of each SEC school. It is hard to remain objective when there is a lot of cash on the line.

[Sea Ray]

Because when OSU beats Michigan St., every sports channel and message board in the world of college athletics has SEC homers diminishing the win. When they win a national championship, all I hear is fans like yourself diminishing it as you just did a few posts back. SEC obsession and arrogance is on full display everywhere you go. No Buckeye or Big10 win is legitimate in the eyes of SEC homers. I'm a Reds fan, but I don't get satisfaction when the Cardinals win the ws. I'm a Browns fan, but I don't get satisfaction when the Steelers win the sb. I just don't get the obsession.

OSU beating Miami has nothing to do with the SEC. If I stated that they won in 2 OTs in controversial fashion, I'm merely stating facts and those facts have nothing to do with the SEC. OSU won the NC that year. That's also a fact. The reason I brought the margin of victory into the discussion is because the context of the discussion was margin of victories , ie blowouts.

I didn't see any SEC chatter after OSU beat MSU soundly but I don't follow chatter much.

[Sea Ray]

I agree with you to a point. It is so confusing.

I can understand JoJo's posts. He is a Reds fan likely surrounded by Ohio State fans (at least on the internet) and roots for a team that has been very successful and certainly more successful than the Buckeyes in recent years. I get where his trash talk comes from.

But Sea Ray roots for a college football team that hasn't had any significant success for more than a decade. By any measure--even after having a coach fired and a season suspended--the Buckeyes' football program has been vastly superior to the Volunteers' program for the entire life of this message board. And yet Sea Ray seems comfortable constantly pointing out Ohio State's failings because ... other teams in the SEC are good? I honestly don't get it at all.

As you said, it would be like me going to an Atlanta Braves board and talking trash because our division is better in a year where the Cardinals win. Actually, that metaphor doesn't really work because the Reds--unlike the Volunteers--have been moderately successful over the last few years. I guess it would be more like a Cubs fans talking trash to a Braves fan based on the Cardinals' success.

I am not criticizing Sea Ray, just using him as an example. He is CERTAINLY not the only fan of an SEC team that seems to fell this way. I am barely a college football fan anymore; just root for the Buckeyes and watch a few games each year. But I find the whole "fan of the SEC" thing to be fascinatingly weird.

I have a unique perspective on college football in the SEC and Big Ten. I attended schools in both conferences and I grew up on the "border" which is Cincinnati. It is a fact that OSU has generally been better than UT, although UT did beat the Buckeyes in their only meeting, the 1995 Citrus Bowl. If you think the fact that I attended a school that has fallen on hard times recently means that I cannot opine that the SEC is far superior to the Big Ten then I'm puzzled by such an opinion. That'd leave only a few schools who could voice opinions. For the most part we don't even know who went to what school around here. I don't know if JJ went to Auburn. I don't know if KingsPoint went to college at all, nor does it matter. They're all free to give their opinions

[Assembly Hall]

Well I must admit I am a Big 10 fan. However, I am half Tennessean. My Mom grew up just north of Knoxville. I still have family there. And to be honest, I probably have more orange than crimson when it comes to the clothing line. But I am gonna call it the way I see it.......the SEC schools are just more passionate about their football than the Big 10 schools are. If you throw out Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St.(which came in the early 90's) what traditions are there? One could argue that Wisconsin is football crazy, but that has just been in recent years. Then I look at the SEC........Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Ole Miss, and LSU. Geez, talk about traditions! Not to mention Arkansas and Texas A&M.

It is kinda of ironic that I see basketball just the opposite!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sea Ray]

I'm hardly baiting. I'm curious to know who you think deserves to be in the playoff at this point in time.

They won't talk to you...afterall you went to Vanderbilt, hardly a football power

What I don't get is the inferiority complex of OSU fans. OSU is the exception in the Big Ten. OSU has been great. It's the rest of the conference that hasn't kept up their end of the bargain

[RedTeamGo!]

They won't talk to you...afterall you went to Vanderbilt, hardly a football power

What I don't get is the inferiority complex of OSU fans. OSU is the exception in the Big Ten. OSU has been great. It's the rest of the conference that hasn't kept up their end of the bargain

There is no inferiority complex and myself and others have said OSU doesn't deserve to be in the final four yet.

I would personally say:

SEC Champion
Pac 12 Champion
FSU if they go undefeated
Last spot either Baylor, TCU or OSU. I would right now give the nod to Baylor. They lost a tough game at WVU in a tough environment and beat TCU. OSU will have a decent resume if they beat Wisconsin in the B1G championship.

[RedFanAlways1966]

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/103462/ohio-state-deserves-to-be-in-top-four


And since that loss to Virginia Tech, Ohio State has been nearly flawless. The Buckeyes are 8-0 and have won by an average of 28 points -- the top scoring margin for any Power 5 team during that span. Its opponents’ winning percentage during that time is better than that of Oregon, Florida State, Mississippi State and TCU -- teams all ranked ahead of Ohio State. It has toppled two ranked teams in Michigan State and Minnesota. It has scored 49 points or more six times.

If the goal is to put the best teams into the playoff, Ohio State’s case is sound. In fact, there may not be a team in the country playing better football right now than the Buckeyes. Barrett has gone from a deer in headlights to a Heisman candidate. The offensive line has allowed just 10 sacks in the last eight games. The defense is light-years ahead of Oregon by virtually every metric.

[Assembly Hall]

I cant argue with a thing in that write-up. The Bucks just need to take care of business and see how everything else plays out. They are squarely in the hunt at this point in time.

[Sea Ray]

There is no inferiority complex and myself and others have said OSU doesn't deserve to be in the final four yet.

I would personally say:

SEC Champion
Pac 12 Champion
FSU if they go undefeated
Last spot either Baylor, TCU or OSU. I would right now give the nod to Baylor. They lost a tough game at WVU in a tough environment and beat TCU. OSU will have a decent resume if they beat Wisconsin in the B1G championship.

Fair enough. Why not Miss St? All they've done is lose a close one to Alabama? Does any other one loss team have a "better loss"?

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http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/103462/ohio-state-deserves-to-be-in-top-four

No one is playing better than OSU right now

[RedTeamGo!]

Fair enough. Why not Miss St? All they've done is lose a close one to Alabama? Does any other one loss team have a "better loss"?

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No one is playing better than OSU right now

Miss St will likely not even play in their conference championship, in my opinion that should be a dis-qualifier.

[traderumor]

They won't talk to you...afterall you went to Vanderbilt, hardly a football power

What I don't get is the inferiority complex of OSU fans. OSU is the exception in the Big Ten. OSU has been great. It's the rest of the conference that hasn't kept up their end of the bargainSo, pointing out perceived bias is diagnosed as "inferiority complex." I just can't seem to operate here on the other side of the looking glass.

[Sea Ray]

Miss St will likely not even play in their conference championship, in my opinion that should be a dis-qualifier.

I disagree. Just because the #1 team in the country is in their division, they should not be penalized

[Sea Ray]

So, pointing out perceived bias is diagnosed as "inferiority complex." I just can't seem to operate here on the other side of the looking glass.

It's more than that. OSU fans come across as much more insecure than fans of a program as good as theirs should

[BuckeyeRed27]

I disagree. Just because the #1 team in the country is in their division, they should not be penalized

I don't think not playing in the championship game should disqualify for them for that reason.
Miss St. vs. OSU gets into a best loss vs. best win argument. Miss St. is going to be hurt by not getting to play one more big game and if they beat Ole Miss they won't have a win against a team with less than 3 losses. Auburn getting blown out by Georgia hurt them quite a bit. It will be close between those two, depending on how they look the rest of the way and honestly I can see it go either way.

[RiverRat13]

I disagree. Just because the #1 team in the country is in their division, they should not be penalized

I look at this the other way... why should the #1 team have to beat someone again who they already beat in the regular season and finished higher than within the conference? If we get to eight teams in a playoff I could see it, but with only four it seems unfair to the team that actually won that division.

[RedTeamGo!]

I disagree. Just because the #1 team in the country is in their division, they should not be penalized

Let's be honest here: Miss St indeed plays in the tough SEC West, but their best wins are 3 loss Auburn and 3 loss LSU and the best out of conference opponent they beat was Southern Miss.

[Sea Ray]

I look at this the other way... why should the #1 team have to beat someone again who they already beat in the regular season and finished higher than within the conference? If we get to eight teams in a playoff I could see it, but with only four it seems unfair to the team that actually won that division.

You're speaking to the choir on this one. In 2001 Tennessee was all set to go to the NC game but had to beat LSU again to do it. Donte Stallworth fumbled away their chance to do exactly that. Other conferences including the Big Ten at the time, had no championship game.

[Sea Ray]

Let's be honest here: Miss St indeed plays in the tough SEC West, but their best wins are 3 loss Auburn and 3 loss LSU and the best out of conference opponent they beat was Southern Miss.

If you want to argue it on strength of schedule that's fine...but don't say because they lost to Alabama and leave it at that.

[RedTeamGo!]

If you want to argue it on strength of schedule that's fine...but don't say because they lost to Alabama and leave it at that.

I also do not think they deserve to go for the reason of not playing in their conference championship.

[Assembly Hall]

You're speaking to the choir on this one. In 2001 Tennessee was all set to go to the NC game but had to beat LSU again to do it. Donte Stallworth fumbled away their chance to do exactly that. Other conferences including the Big Ten at the time, had no championship game.

Just had to bring it up didn't you? Now I wanna break something all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sea Ray]

Just had to bring it up didn't you? Now I wanna break something all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know what you mean. I thought that scan had healed too...

I keep telling myself that UT would have lost in the NC game anyway but that's just my coping mechanism

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I also do not think they deserve to go for the reason of not playing in their conference championship.

That's your weakest argument IMO

[Assembly Hall]

Let's be honest here: Miss St indeed plays in the tough SEC West, but their best wins are 3 loss Auburn and 3 loss LSU and the best out of conference opponent they beat was Southern Miss.

Well to be honest let's call it for what it is. The SEC is the toughest conference in the land. If the Buckeyes had beaten Auburn and LSU they would be hanging their hat on that regardless of those teams having 3 losses.

[Assembly Hall]

I know what you mean. I thought that scan had healed too...

I keep telling myself that UT would have lost in the NC game anyway but that's just my coping mechanism

That game still pisses me off. I lost a good TV that day!!!!!!!!!!!!

[traderumor]

It's more than that. OSU fans come across as much more insecure than fans of a program as good as theirs should
Okey doke no idea what that means.

[Kingspoint]

In the last three years:
Alabama: WVU, Va Tech, Michigan
Auburn: K-State, Washington St., Clemson
Georgia: Clemson x2, Ga Tech x3
Tennessee: NC St, Oregon, Oklahoma
LSU: Wisconsin, TCU, Washington
MS St: Okie St.
Florida: Florida St x3
Ole Miss: Boise St., Texas x2
Mizzou: UCF x2, Az. St.
Kentucky: Louisville x3
Vandy: Northwestern, Wake Forest x2
USCEast: Clemson x3, UNC, UCF, ECU
Arky: Texas Tech, Rutgers x2

A/M has not upped their OOC games yet, but they have: Az. St in 2015 and UCLA in 2016

Speaking of future schedules:
Alabama: Wisconsin, USC
Auburn: Louisville, Clemson
Ole Miss: FSU
LSU: Wisconsin
Tennessee: Oklahoma, Va Tech
Plus all the traditional in-state rivalries.

Those are just the ones I'm aware of.

I'll agree with you, however, that very few teams play as challenging an OOC schedule as Oregon.

That's more representative of what I was hoping they would be doing. In the past this wasn't the case. I'm not nitpicking here, but have they also included road games? I know in the past they refused to play anyone on the road that could possibly challenge them. I assume that road games are a part of that as many of those opponents will only do home-and-home deals.

[Sea Ray]

Okey doke no idea what that means.

Here's a good example from the OSU thread. I think you know its author:



They lost that game because the Offensive gameplan was to abandon the run, until late second half, when they started moving the ball because someone believed the hype that "you can't run against VT." FWIW, my take on that sore thumb of a loss.

Of course, if Ohio St. was undefeated, they would still be hearing the same "weak schedule" argument, because they do not play in the SEC.

This is totally unprovoked. There's no need to throw in that last sentence unless you're very defensive about your Buckeyes. There's nothing to be defensive about. Meyer has arguably improved his team more than any other in the country since Sept. Just keep winning and see what happens. If the Bucks miss out on the 4 team playoff, blame the rest of the Big Ten for not being stronger. Like I said, OSU has held up its end of the bargain. It's teams like Michigan that are hurting your strength of schedule

[Assembly Hall]

Here's a good example from the OSU thread. I think you know its author:




This is totally unprovoked. There's no need to throw in that last sentence unless you're very defensive about your Buckeyes. There's nothing to be defensive about. Meyer has arguably improved his team more than any other in the country since Sept. Just keep winning and see what happens. If the Bucks miss out on the 4 team playoff, blame the rest of the Big Ten for not being stronger. Like I said, OSU has held up its end of the bargain. It's teams like Michigan that are hurting your strength of schedule


That they have.

[Boston Red]

He's right that Ohio State would be hearing the weak schedule argument if they were undefeated because....their schedule is weak. Just like FSU is hearing that argument because...their schedule is weak. Granted, that argument is multiplied when it comes to FSU because they seem to fall behind at halftime every week. But at least they haven't actually lost to any sad sack ACC teams at home like....I don't know, you pick the example that is relevant here.

[dabvu2498]

Let's be honest here: Miss St indeed plays in the tough SEC West, but their best wins are 3 loss Auburn and 3 loss LSU and the best out of conference opponent they beat was Southern Miss.

Which is the better win? A win over Wisconsin or a win over LSU (who beat Wisconsin)?

I don't disagree that playing a 13th game (an winning it) probably pushes OSU past MSU and OSU should get credit for at least scheduling a big-5 conference opponent in the OOC, but I think you're undervaluing wins over LSU, Auburn (and possibly Ole Miss) strictly because they have 3 losses.

[Boston Red]

Let's be honest here: Miss St indeed plays in the tough SEC West, but their best wins are 3 loss Auburn and 3 loss LSU and the best out of conference opponent they beat was Southern Miss.

To make sure a VERY important point gets addressed...UAB is far, far superior to Southern Miss. South Alabama is also likely better than USM.

[Slyder]

There is no inferiority complex and myself and others have said OSU doesn't deserve to be in the final four yet.

I would personally say:

SEC Champion
Pac 12 Champion
FSU if they go undefeated
Last spot either Baylor, TCU or OSU. I would right now give the nod to Baylor. They lost a tough game at WVU in a tough environment and beat TCU. OSU will have a decent resume if they beat Wisconsin in the B1G championship.

I can't argue with this thought process. No Miss State for me because, like a couple years ago, Alabama/MSU already played and Alabama won. Therefore you add to the value of the regular season by moving them to the back of the line of 1 lose teams.

[traderumor]

Here's a good example from the OSU thread. I think you know its author:




This is totally unprovoked. There's no need to throw in that last sentence unless you're very defensive about your Buckeyes. There's nothing to be defensive about. Meyer has arguably improved his team more than any other in the country since Sept. Just keep winning and see what happens. If the Bucks miss out on the 4 team playoff, blame the rest of the Big Ten for not being stronger. Like I said, OSU has held up its end of the bargain. It's teams like Michigan that are hurting your strength of schedule
I'm still missing the insecurity angle. It is more complaining about the circular logic used to arrive at strength of schedule discussions. So label it as you wish it is a circular reasoned system that will put the perceived strongest league on top as currently constructed.

[Kingspoint]

At least there's a four-team playoff system now instead of two-team. As the money gets counted, the greed for four more playoff bowl games will lead to an 8-team playoff system, and then maybe, just maybe, the discussion can be over with (not likely, of course).

[RedFanAlways1966]

The only problem I have with RTG!'s answer is PAC-12 champion. Why? My problem is with the feelings that the PAC-12 is much/any better than the BIG-10 that their champion gets the automatic spot. SEC Champ? Well of course. FLA ST if undefeated? No question. Don't forget in 2011-12 ALABAMA-LSU met in the regular season and then met in the Nat'l title game. So do not count MISS. ST. out as far as the lost to BAMA. Of course that was generated with multiple factors to get the BCS ranking. The human factor may decide like you stated. I just hope they do not factor the four teams that will get the NCAA the most advertising dollars into their equation.

[Assembly Hall]

Which is the better win? A win over Wisconsin or a win over LSU (who beat Wisconsin)?

I don't disagree that playing a 13th game (an winning it) probably pushes OSU past MSU and OSU should get credit for at least scheduling a big-5 conference opponent in the OOC, but I think you're undervaluing wins over LSU, Auburn (and possibly Ole Miss) strictly because they have 3 losses.

When looking at this stuff I think back to when Notre Dame was a force. They normally had at least 4 B1G schools on their schedule. Usually Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue and an alternating one(heck they played IU when the Hoosiers were good). I always used that as a barometer. Anymore, that barometer doesn't exist. Schools across the land don't play the OOC schedule they used to. We measure stuff by that first poll that comes out. A lot of times it is set in stone come conference time what schools have the toughest schedule, but in football it is based upon what the "perceived" best conference is. It makes the polls sort of a joke. I say we go to a 16 team play-off..........go more the basketball route.

[jojo]

Well to be honest let's call it for what it is. The SEC is the toughest conference in the land. If the Buckeyes had beaten Auburn and LSU they would be hanging their hat on that regardless of those teams having 3 losses.

That three loss Auburn team would walk all over OSU's schedule.

[BuckeyeRed27]

That three loss Auburn team would walk all over OSU's schedule.

How would Texas A&M and Georgia do with it?

[jojo]

How would Texas A&M and Georgia do with it?

Probably something like Va Tech would.

[Kingspoint]

The Pac-12 South is stronger than the SEC East and any other Conference/Division that exists. The SEC East is stronger than the Pac-12 North. The SEC West is in a class all by themselves.

The Big-10 needs to be split up into two divisions...an East and a West.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Probably something like Va Tech would.

I didn't know you held the ACC in such high esteem.

[GAC]

But I am gonna call it the way I see it.......the SEC schools are just more passionate about their football than the Big 10 schools are. If you throw out Ohio St., Michigan, and Penn St.(which came in the early 90's) what traditions are there? One could argue that Wisconsin is football crazy, but that has just been in recent years. Then I look at the SEC........Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Ole Miss, and LSU. Geez, talk about traditions! Not to mention Arkansas and Texas A&M.

You just nailed it! :thumbup:

I lived in the South for a few years (S.C.), have many relation located there, so I've spent some time there. And one thing I learned, and I found it quite amazing, is that the people of the South are very passionate about their college football. And IMO, there is still that aspect of the "rural" South vs the "industrialized" North. For the longest time vs the North, it was quite difficult to establish pro teams in the South, and marketability had a lot to do with it too. Could they get the support? And while there are some examples in the past, it wasn't until the mid-60s when solid inroads were made with the movement of the Braves to Atlanta, and then the Miami Dolphins. It use to be, in the day, that the only baseball the state of Florida had were the pro teams Spring Training camps (LOL). But even now, in the entire South, you have three MLB teams... one in Georgia, and two in Florida. The NFL has done better with seven franchises.

But still ... college football, which is a deep, deep, tradition, still reigns king.

And it's not that fans in the North aren't passionate about their college sports - but we have other "distractions", other options, readily available to us, pulling at us, that aren't so readily available in many parts of the South. Take Ohio for instance. We look forward to each new season... OK, it's baseball season (Reds, Indians)... baseball's over, now it's football (Bengals, Browns, and collegiate - OSU, etc). Again, in the South (sans Florida), and as far as MLB goes, all you got is the Atlanta Braves... and that's a fur piece for many to travel to see a ballgame. ;)

Their options are somewhat more open when it comes to the NFL.... but ....college sports, especially football, is more localized, and thus carries a far deeper tradition, holds their allegiance.

And of course, then there's NASCAR (but that's a different story - LOL).

[GAC]

OSU fans come across as much more insecure than fans of a program as good as theirs should

Thank you for that deep, psychological analysis Dr Phil! LOL

Just because you can sight an example of an OSU fan throwing out his position (or excuse) as to why the Buckeyes lost a game, didn't play well, or whatever, doesn't mean it's rooted in insecurity.

My God! Every fan does this with their respective team. On Monday morning, every fan turns into a head coach, or offensive/defensive coordinator, critiquing, examining, and (if needed) shredding to pieces, the game-plan of their respective team .... what they did right or wrong, what they didn't do, what they (the fans) think they should have done, screaming "WTF!" at their TV, whining, crying, whatever.

I did a lot of it this past weekend watching both the OSU-Minnesota game, as well as the Browns. It's also why my wife won't even enter the bedroom during game-time! LOL

Do you actually believe that if you went on any other team's discussion forum, whether it was the SEC, PAC-12, whoever, you wouldn't see this by their fans? Do you think that when Alabama lost to Ole Miss .. or Mississippi State lost to Alabama ... or whoever (take your pick) ... that their respective fans weren't doing that same type of Monday morning QB'ing/critiquing, even excuse-making, as to why they lost when they possibly could have/should have won? Does that make them insecure?

NO. It's what makes them fans, and it's why these various discussion forums exist. They're an outlet for fans to either take pride in and congratulate your team's performance..... or vent, and pull your hair out, in frustration (LOL).

So why should it be any different when you spend so much time on a thread dedicated to discussion of OSU? Anyone can go on a thread and cherry-pick something someone said. It certainly shouldn't be used to make sweeping generalizations, which you seem to have the habit of doing when it comes to OSU fans.

It's far more rooted in fan fanaticism and loyalty... and yes, that, at times, is even misguided ... but it's not insecurity. And we're all guilty.

[jojo]

I didn't know you held the ACC in such high esteem.

I'm not which is one reason why the point is salient and youre's isn't.

[RedTeamGo!]

The Big-10 needs to be split up into two divisions...an East and a West.

It did years ago.

[RiverRat13]

http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/espns-rankings-show-hurts-work-college-football-playoff-committee.html

[Assembly Hall]

The Pac-12 South is stronger than the SEC East and any other Conference/Division that exists. The SEC East is stronger than the Pac-12 North. The SEC West is in a class all by themselves.

The Big-10 needs to be split up into two divisions...an East and a West.


Oh really? Check the standings.

It has been talked about before in here somewhere. The problem with the B1G at this point in time is we got schools that are slacking. By that, they just don't have the luster they once did. IMO only tOSU, Michigan St., and Wisconsin have carried the weight the past few seasons. Where in the heck is Michigan, Penn St., and Nebraska? Dang, I thought they were football schools? Michigan hasn't been Michigan in a few years, Penn St. went through a sex scandal, and the Huskers weren't right even before joining the conference. Add to it that schools like Purdue and Iowa seemed to have disappeared. Northwestern is nowhere where it was 10 years ago. And to top it off somebody came up with the bright idea to allow Maryland and Rutgers to join. Nothing like adding a Big East school and an ACC school to inject some football life into a conference that has been out of the limelight for awhile now.

[Slyder]

Its a demographics issue for Big 10. Outside of Ohio most of the states covered by them in recruiting aren't producing the D1 players like they use to. Maryland and Rutgers were about getting tvs for the B1G 10 network and nothing more.

Get use to the words "Sleeping Giant" and Rutgers... We heard it every year for about a decade in the Big East.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm not which is one reason why the point is salient and youre's isn't.

Cool story bro.

I love comments like this. "Team X wouldn't be able to handle Team Y's schedule" or "If only my favorite team got to play in your crappy conference we would have won the last 15 national championships". There is no basis for the argument and it is all pure speculation with absolutely no way to prove it. Yet the person making the argument is always convinced they are correct or in this case making a very salient point. I get why as college football fans we have to talk about scheules and conferneces and all that, I just find this particular argument very humerous.

[jojo]

Cool story bro.

I love comments like this. "Team X wouldn't be able to handle Team Y's schedule" or "If only my favorite team got to play in your crappy conference we would have won the last 15 national championships". There is no basis for the argument and it is all pure speculation with absolutely no way to prove it. Yet the person making the argument is always convinced they are correct or in this case making a very salient point. I get why as college football fans we have to talk about scheules and conferneces and all that, I just find this particular argument very humerous.

I think you're missing some key context, like the whole discussion about OSU's perceived weak schedule. Listen, your guys dropped the ball against Va Tech. I know whooping on some mediocre teams has the fanbase thinking there's been great improvement with the passing weeks, and maybe so (maybe not so to), but really, humorous is suggesting OSU would be showing improvement and would likely be in a bowl hunt if the played KS,LSU, MSU, SC, A&M, Georgia, and Bama almost back to back with the best opponents on that list being road games. It's a VERY reasonable thing to suggest, given that stretch, OSU would be expected to fumble again.

I'd trade Auburn's schedule for OSU this year in a heart beat. Actually humorous is acting like Auburn and OSU should be compared apples to apples based upon W-L record, at least Jeff Sagarin just spewed coffee all over his computer and is choking on a bagle as he laughs about hearing that notion.

[Sea Ray]

Thank you for that deep, psychological analysis Dr Phil! LOL

Just because you can sight an example of an OSU fan throwing out his position (or excuse) as to why the Buckeyes lost a game, didn't play well, or whatever, doesn't mean it's rooted in insecurity.

My God! Every fan does this with their respective team. On Monday morning, every fan turns into a head coach, or offensive/defensive coordinator, critiquing, examining, and (if needed) shredding to pieces, the game-plan of their respective team .... what they did right or wrong, what they didn't do, what they (the fans) think they should have done, screaming "WTF!" at their TV, whining, crying, whatever.

I did a lot of it this past weekend watching both the OSU-Minnesota game, as well as the Browns. It's also why my wife won't even enter the bedroom during game-time! LOL

Do you actually believe that if you went on any other team's discussion forum, whether it was the SEC, PAC-12, whoever, you wouldn't see this by their fans? Do you think that when Alabama lost to Ole Miss .. or Mississippi State lost to Alabama ... or whoever (take your pick) ... that their respective fans weren't doing that same type of Monday morning QB'ing/critiquing, even excuse-making, as to why they lost when they possibly could have/should have won? Does that make them insecure?

NO. It's what makes them fans, and it's why these various discussion forums exist. They're an outlet for fans to either take pride in and congratulate your team's performance..... or vent, and pull your hair out, in frustration (LOL).

So why should it be any different when you spend so much time on a thread dedicated to discussion of OSU? Anyone can go on a thread and cherry-pick something someone said. It certainly shouldn't be used to make sweeping generalizations, which you seem to have the habit of doing when it comes to OSU fans.

It's far more rooted in fan fanaticism and loyalty... and yes, that, at times, is even misguided ... but it's not insecurity. And we're all guilty.

Every fan does it? Did you see my example? It was this:


Of course, if Ohio St. was undefeated, they would still be hearing the same "weak schedule" argument, because they do not play in the SEC.

Does every fan moan about their team being underappreciated like that? I don't see that in the SEC.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think you're missing some key context, like the whole discussion about OSU's perceived weak schedule. Listen, your guys dropped the ball against Va Tech. I know whooping on some mediocre teams has the fanbase thinking there's been great improvement with the passing weeks, and maybe so (maybe not so to), but really, humorous is suggesting OSU would be showing improvement and would likely be in a bowl hunt if the played KS,LSU, MSU, SC, A&M, Georgia, and Bama almost back to back with the best opponents on that list being road games. It's a VERY reasonable thing to suggest, given that stretch, OSU would be expected to fumble again.

I'd trade Auburn's schedule for OSU this year in a heart beat. Actually humorous is acting like Auburn and OSU should be compared apples to apples based upon W-L record, at least Jeff Sagarin just spewed coffee all over his computer and is choking on a bagle as he laughs about hearing that notion.

To be clear it is your assertion that OSU would be a below .500 team had they played Auburn's schedule? I really hope that is your point because than we can stop this conversation.

[Assembly Hall]

Its a demographics issue for Big 10. Outside of Ohio most of the states covered by them in recruiting aren't producing the D1 players like they use to. Maryland and Rutgers were about getting tvs for the B1G 10 network and nothing more.

Get use to the words "Sleeping Giant" and Rutgers... We heard it every year for about a decade in the Big East.

I can appreciate that. I can also say that a lot of the talent leaves the area. At least in my state.

I understand the B1G wanting more tv revenue.

As far as Rutgers.........I hope the sleeping Giant wakes up!

[jojo]

To be clear it is your assertion that OSU would be a below .500 team had they played Auburn's schedule? I really hope that is your point because than we can stop this conversation.

To be clear, I'm starting to doubt your reading comprehension.

[BuckeyeRed27]

To be clear, I'm starting to doubt your reading comprehension.

I know whooping on some mediocre teams has the fanbase thinking there's been great improvement with the passing weeks, and maybe so (maybe not so to), but really, humorous is suggesting OSU would be showing improvement and would likely be in a bowl hunt if the played KS,LSU, MSU, SC, A&M, Georgia, and Bama almost back to back with the best opponents on that list being road games.

I haven't taken the SAT for a while, but my reading comprehension of that line is that you felt that OSU would be struggling to be a .500 team. Now perhaps you meant in the playoff hunt, which is why I asked for the clarification.

[GAC]

Every fan does it? Did you see my example?

Yeah I saw it - but you then made a generalization, from that lone statement, that OSU fans are insecure.



Does every fan moan about their team being underappreciated like that?

You said they were insecure, not under-appreciated. Big difference. I think the correct word would be "disrespected" in some quarters .. not all ...when, in many Buckeye fan's view, it's not only not justified or deserved, but over-the-top. Especially when it comes to certain ESPN commentators (paging Mark May as one example). So the issue is not about not being able to criticize or critique OSU or it's program... but is in reference to those who possess a burning, seething, hatred of anything Ohio State (or even B10), and throw any sense of fairness or balance out the window in favor of such hatred.

That, IMO, is what the poster was sighting that you quoted.... If OSU went undefeated, these haters would find someway, anything they could, to twist it into something negative ... "well gee, they have such a weak schedule." It just doesn't matter what OSU does - they could run the table this year - they'll find someway to diminish it because (simply put) THEY HATE OHIO STATE.

And that's fine. Ain't asking anyone to love us. LOL

[Sea Ray]

Yeah I saw it - but you then made a generalization, from that lone statement, that OSU fans are insecure.


You are incorrect in saying that I made a generalization based on that one statement. It's based on many, many statements. That was merely one example. Learn the difference




You said they were insecure, not under-appreciated. Big difference. I think the correct word would be "disrespected" in some quarters .. not all ...when, in many Buckeye fan's view, it's not only not justified or deserved, but over-the-top. Especially when it comes to certain ESPN commentators (paging Mark May as one example). So the issue is not about not being able to criticize or critique OSU or it's program... but is in reference to those who possess a burning, seething, hatred of anything Ohio State (or even B10), and throw any sense of fairness or balance out the window in favor of such hatred.

That, IMO, is what the poster was sighting that you quoted.... If OSU went undefeated, these haters would find someway, anything they could, to twist it into something negative ... "well gee, they have such a weak schedule." It just doesn't matter what OSU does - they could run the table this year - they'll find someway to diminish it because (simply put) THEY HATE OHIO STATE.

And that's fine. Ain't asking anyone to love us. LOL

Insecure, underappreciated...call it what you may. I think you're insecure with your obsession of as you put it:


(simply put) THEY HATE OHIO STATE.

You don't think there are just as many fans who hate Alabama? Year in and year out Ohio State has played a weak schedule due mostly to the weakness of the Big Ten. People can say that and not be haters.

[Assembly Hall]

It has been an interesting discussion, to say the least gentlemen, this past week. The fact of the matter is, that the SEC is the best conference in the land when it comes to football. Us B1G fans can haggle about the media, the hype, schedules and what not all we want. It doesn't change the fact that the SEC has dominated the college football landscape for quite some time. How many champs have they had since the BCS was instituted? Once again, I am just thankful that a B1G school(tOSU) is in the mix this year.

[*BaseClogger*]

C'mon, man... Accept that Motor City Bowl bid!!! :)

I'll always associate that as a MAC bowl game--I saw some very talented Marshall teams light up the scoreboard in that game too many times as a kid growing up near the Silverdome...

[Assembly Hall]

I'll always associate that as a MAC bowl game--I saw some very talented Marshall teams light up the scoreboard in that game too many times as a kid growing up near the Silverdome...


Hey, nothing wrong with some MAC football!!!!!!!!!

[jojo]

I know whooping on some mediocre teams has the fanbase thinking there's been great improvement with the passing weeks, and maybe so (maybe not so to), but really, humorous is suggesting OSU would be showing improvement and would likely be in a bowl hunt if the played KS,LSU, MSU, SC, A&M, Georgia, and Bama almost back to back with the best opponents on that list being road games.

I haven't taken the SAT for a while, but my reading comprehension of that line is that you felt that OSU would be struggling to be a .500 team. Now perhaps you meant in the playoff hunt, which is why I asked for the clarification.

Clearly the discussion is in regards to the playoffs.

[*BaseClogger*]

Hey, nothing wrong with some MAC football!!!!!!!!!

I went to Miami, and there were plenty of things wrong with *that* football hahaha...

[BuckeyeRed27]

Clearly the discussion is in regards to the playoffs.

I know it's hard for you to admit you were wrong, but that is about as close as it gets with you so fine.

I said in the Ohio State thread a few months back when someone was asking about switching Ohio State's and Kentucky's schedule that I would do that because I think the order of the opponents would have helped. Ohio State lost early on because the team was very young and had a lot to learn, but picked it up pretty quickly. I think Auburn's schedule would have allowed that too and OSU could have navagitated it pretty successfully, but who knows. I don't hold teams like LSU and Texas A&M in nearly as him esteem as you do, particulary when they came up on Auburn's schedule.

[jojo]

I know it's hard for you to admit you were wrong, but that is about as close as it gets with you so fine.

I said in the Ohio State thread a few months back when someone was asking about switching Ohio State's and Kentucky's schedule that I would do that because I think the order of the opponents would have helped. Ohio State lost early on because the team was very young and had a lot to learn, but picked it up pretty quickly. I think Auburn's schedule would have allowed that too and OSU could have navagitated it pretty successfully, but who knows. I don't hold teams like LSU and Texas A&M in nearly as him esteem as you do, particulary when they came up on Auburn's schedule.

If you're going to call me biased, first admit you're biased. But you can't even admit that Auburn's schedule is a dramatically different beast than OSU's.

[BuckeyeRed27]

If you're going to call me biased, first admit you're biased. But you can't even admit that Auburn's schedule is a dramatically different beast than OSU's.

Do we really need to establish that we came from biased positions? I think I do a little bit better job at coming at these things objectively, but you have your moments.

Auburn's schedule is more difficult than Ohio State's schedule. I also think Ohio State is a better team than Auburn and could have navigated it more successfully. I think Auburn would have a better record if they played Ohio State's schedule, but I think they would have lost at Michigan State.

[Assembly Hall]

I went to Miami, and there were plenty of things wrong with *that* football hahaha...


One of my high school buds went to Ball State on a football scholarship. Loved the quality of play!!!!!!!!!

[Roy Tucker]

He that is not biased in this thread, cast the first stone.

[Assembly Hall]

He that is not biased in this thread, cast the first stone.

I will cast the first stone!!!!!!!!!!!

[jojo]

Do we really need to establish that we came from biased positions? I think I do a little bit better job at coming at these things objectively, but you have your moments.

Auburn's schedule is more difficult than Ohio State's schedule. I also think Ohio State is a better team than Auburn and could have navigated it more successfully. I think Auburn would have a better record if they played Ohio State's schedule, but I think they would have lost at Michigan State.

I think having a dangerous even if flawed team to beat every week while playing legit playoff contenders on the road is a little different than waiting 6 weeks to play a potentially dangerous team and then getting another month to worry about another potentially dangerous team. Auburn's grind was not that different than an nfl grind, a league where 4 loses means you're a super bowl contender. OSU's schedule is set up to forgive the sin of being physically beat up or mentally flat. I think you're a little too smitten with the OSU koolaid when daydreaming about what OSU might do with one of the toughest schedules in college football this year.

[GAC]

You are incorrect in saying that I made a generalization based on that one statement. It's based on many, many statements. That was merely one example. Learn the difference

No, to be honest, in your original post, where you made the statement (generalization) of OSU fans being insecure, you didn't justify that statement with any example(s) at all. You just threw it out there - right after you also said OSU fans have an inferiority complex (LOL). It wasn't until you were pressed on it later, by that same poster whom you were having a back-and-forth with, that you went and found one example (statement) by him.

To now comeback and say it was based on many, many statements proves nothing. Anyone can throw a subjective statement like that out there knowing they don't have to back it up.


I think you're insecure with your obsession of as you put it:

See. Here you go again. You just can't stop can you? LOL

To quote another poster....
This is totally unprovoked. There's no need to throw in that last sentence

Not that it bothers me, but let me get this straight ... you, and SEC guy, make a couple sweeping generalizations (insults actually) that OSU fans are insecure and have an inferiority complex. And of course you do a terrible job of backing that up. Yet somehow you also feel you should be able to make such insulting statements - and you've also done so on the B10 and OSU discussion threads - with some sort of immunity, that OSU fans shouldn't get upset, offer disagreement, or even get defensive over it. You're like that guy who keeps poking someone in the forehead with their finger, and then asks "That's not annoying you is it?" What world are you living in? LOL

There's an SEC thread on here. I don't participate, and it's not because I have anything against the SEC either. I don't. They are by far the superior conference in NCAAF, and have been for quite some time. And while there are a few B10 fans participating on there, I don't see them behaving in the same provoking manner, making insulting remarks about their fan's emotional state or their teams, as you seem to have the OBSESSION in doing here, and on the other threads. Because if they did, then those respective fans would have every right to get defensive, on their "home turf", when being insulted and respond back. And when they did, I certainly wouldn't keep trying to pile it on by then saying they were insecure or have some sort of complex because they can't handle your insults.


You don't think there are just as many fans who hate Alabama?

Not the issue, and you know it. Of course there are fans that hate the competition. I hate Michigan, the Steelers, and Cardinals. But I don't take that level of hate to an obsession where I lose any sense of balance or objectivity. And that "hate" certainly doesn't drive me to make insulting statements about their fanbase, attempting to provoke their ire in response.


Year in and year out Ohio State has played a weak schedule due mostly to the weakness of the Big Ten. People can say that and not be haters.

There's nothing wrong with pointing it out. I've said the same myself. But it's the manner in which it is used by some, including you, at every turn, to continually bring it up, to throw it in the face of their fans, in a purposeful effort to take a swipe at and degrade the program. It's not OSU's fault that the B10 is weakened right now. They have no control over that. Two top 10 teams that have a weaker SoS is FSU and Baylor.

But here's another thing that makes me laugh. We all know the SEC is the best and strongest conference in NCCAF. Their SoS is what it is because, mainly, they play each other. Anyone who denies that is in denial. But then I hear many SEC fans claim the bad (weak) teams in the SEC (Tenn, KY, Vanderbilt, Arkansas) would beat the best of the B10. That's simply being boisterous, over-the-top, and there's no way of proving it unless they actually play. Missouri could very well be in the SEC Championship game and they lost to Indiana.

While I don't discount SoS, I look more at match-ups, and how well those two teams (offensive/defensive scheme) stack up against each other. Take for instance OSU's blowout loss to Florida in the NC game several years back. That was a good OSU team that year; but I said going into that game the match-up... Florida's defensive front/LBers (speed) .... was not good for OSU, and we'd lose big time. I wasn't surprised. And there have been some blow-outs in those national championship games, and again, IMO, due to poor matches ... USC and Oklahoma, Alabama and Notre Dame.

It's my subjective opinion, but I think FSU would lose to any of the other teams in the top 10. And, IF, OSU were to get into the final game, depending on who they are matched up against, I think, because of their offense, they'd put up a fight vs Alabama, Mississippi State, or Ole Miss. I don't think OSU would get blown out. I think they'd be good games because those three SEC teams, while not offensive slouches, win more with very good defenses. That would be the challenge for OSU.

Oregon and TCU, IMO, would be a bad mis-match for OSU because of their QBs and very high-powered offenses/passing attack. Again, my opinion, but I think it would be a shoot-out, and we'd get shredded because our defensive secondary is average.

[traderumor]

GAC,

My son with anger issues does a similar stunt, when he is told something he doesn't like, he responds by saying "why are you so grumpy?" to my wife and I, as if that is supposed to end the discussion.

As far as matchups and Ohio State's secondary, I think they have cleaned up the mess finally from last season and early in this season. Since the Cincinnati game, they have been pretty solid. Of course, pass protection is a team effort, and when the line gets pressure, our Dbacks have been stepping up and covering better and better. The D's current biggest issue is tackling. Jim Heacock's D's never had trouble tackling, Fickell's and Fickell's/Ash's is another story. But I am not as fearful of the passing game as I was a year ago or early in the season. When Devin Gardner shreds your D....I don't think that is going to happen this year.

[RedTeamGo!]

And there it is - Auburn's schedule was compared to an NFL schedule.

[Assembly Hall]

Missouri could very well be in the SEC Championship game and they lost to Indiana.


Wouldn't that be something if the SEC champ got beat by Indiana? And I do believe the game was at Mizzou.

[jojo]

And there it is - Auburn's schedule was compared to an NFL schedule.

And there it is....Big Ten fan unable and unwilling to entertain the actual argument if the conclusion isn't "Go Buckeyes!".

There are grinds and then there are schedules with lots of opportunities to relax. Which one characterizes the buckeyes' schedule?

[traderumor]

Wouldn't that be something if the SEC champ got beat by Indiana? And I do believe the game was at Mizzou.Certainly would be a great textbook example of irony.

[jimbo]

And there it is - Auburn's schedule was compared to an NFL schedule.

The question is, could Auburn beat the Oakland Raiders?

[Assembly Hall]

Certainly would be a great textbook example of irony.


At it's finest!!!!!!!!!

[Assembly Hall]

The question is, could Auburn beat the Oakland Raiders?

Now that is funny!

[BuckeyeRed27]

And there it is....Big Ten fan unable and unwilling to entertain the actual argument if the conclusion isn't "Go Buckeyes!".

There are grinds and then there are schedules with lots of opportunities to relax. Which one characterizes the buckeyes' schedule?

There isn't any conference that gives you an opportunity to relax and if you do you'll lose. Ohio St has had some issues with Purdue in recent years because of that mentality.

Once again you have a much higher opinion of teams like LSU and Texas A&M and I'm guessing a pretty low opinion of teams like Maryland and Minnesota even though those are pretty comparable this year. No one here is arguing that Auburn didn't have a tougher road this year but making the NFL grind argument isn't going to get you anywhere.

[GAC]

GAC,

My son with anger issues does a similar stunt, when he is told something he doesn't like, he responds by saying "why are you so grumpy?" to my wife and I, as if that is supposed to end the discussion.

As far as matchups and Ohio State's secondary, I think they have cleaned up the mess finally from last season and early in this season. Since the Cincinnati game, they have been pretty solid. Of course, pass protection is a team effort, and when the line gets pressure, our Dbacks have been stepping up and covering better and better. The D's current biggest issue is tackling. Jim Heacock's D's never had trouble tackling, Fickell's and Fickell's/Ash's is another story. But I am not as fearful of the passing game as I was a year ago or early in the season. When Devin Gardner shreds your D....I don't think that is going to happen this year.

I agree with you. Last year our secondary was dreadful. And I have seen some improvement this year as the sesaon has progreeesd. And then too, there's the issue of youth/inexperience at play. This is a young, and talented, OSU team IMO.

But even having said the above...... TCU and Oregon's offensive juggernauts scare the dickens out of me. LOL

[Assembly Hall]

There isn't any conference that gives you an opportunity to relax and if you do you'll lose. Ohio St has had some issues with Purdue in recent years because of that mentality.

Once again you have a much higher opinion of teams like LSU and Texas A&M and I'm guessing a pretty low opinion of teams like Maryland and Minnesota even though those are pretty comparable this year. No one here is arguing that Auburn didn't have a tougher road this year but making the NFL grind argument isn't going to get you anywhere.

Yeah, they are gonna have a tough one on their hands today. Can anybody tell me what Samford's nickname is? Is it the "Cardinal"? I got to admit, I am impressed they are playing a PAC-12 school this close to the end of the season!!!!!!

[Sea Ray]

Not that it bothers me, but let me get this straight ... you, and SEC guy, make a couple sweeping generalizations (insults actually) that OSU fans are insecure and have an inferiority complex. And of course you do a terrible job of backing that up. Yet somehow you also feel you should be able to make such insulting statements - and you've also done so on the B10 and OSU discussion threads - with some sort of immunity, that OSU fans shouldn't get upset, offer disagreement, or even get defensive over it. You're like that guy who keeps poking someone in the forehead with their finger, and then asks "That's not annoying you is it?" What world are you living in? LOL



I doubt that either one of us wants to get into a pissing war over this but your statement above includes fewer examples than my "one" that you've chided as being too few. In the OSU thread I have posted infrequently and when I did it was either to predict an OSU win (such as over MSU and UC), to chide a fellow SEC fan of baiting and to agree with another OSU who commented on the scarcity of "tough games". If you feel that that qualifies as making insulting statements then I'll show you someone who has an inferiority complex.

GAC, you've got a great team with a great coach. Enjoy the season. Don't let Sea Ray on a RZ forum bother you to the point that you sit down and type out a 1000 word post to talk about him. I'm not worth it. I don't even hate Ohio State. I wouldn't enjoy the living I have without that diploma from OSU on my wall

[jojo]

There isn't any conference that gives you an opportunity to relax and if you do you'll lose. Ohio St has had some issues with Purdue in recent years because of that mentality.

Once again you have a much higher opinion of teams like LSU and Texas A&M and I'm guessing a pretty low opinion of teams like Maryland and Minnesota even though those are pretty comparable this year. No one here is arguing that Auburn didn't have a tougher road this year but making the NFL grind argument isn't going to get you anywhere.

OSU's schedule is basically long pauses to catch your breath. And the nfl grind is a perfect analogy.

[jojo]

Yeah, they are gonna have a tough one on their hands today. Can anybody tell me what Samford's nickname is? Is it the "Cardinal"? I got to admit, I am impressed they are playing a PAC-12 school this close to the end of the season!!!!!!

That meme needs a massive dose of viagra.

[RedTeamGo!]

And there it is....Big Ten fan unable and unwilling to entertain the actual argument if the conclusion isn't "Go Buckeyes!".

There are grinds and then there are schedules with lots of opportunities to relax. Which one characterizes the buckeyes' schedule?

In the NFL schedule grind comparison what team does Samford represent?

[jojo]

In the NFL schedule grind comparison what team does Samford represent?

Yes, one of the toughest schedules in the NCAA this year is defined by Samford. That's blunt example of intellectual honesty.....NOT.

[RedTeamGo!]

Yes, one of the toughest schedules in the NCAA this year is defined by Samford. That's blunt example of intellectual honesty.....NOT.

Haha, I'm not the one that just compared Auburn's schedule to an NFL schedule. This is friggin hilarious.

[RedTeamGo!]

NFL teams don't play Canadian Football League teams late in the season

[Assembly Hall]

In the NFL schedule grind comparison what team does Samford represent?

Well this year it would represent the Oakland Raiders.

[jojo]

Haha, I'm not the one that just compared Auburn's schedule to an NFL schedule. This is friggin hilarious.

Right, I'm the one that made that apt comparison. Youre the one ignoring the argument.

- - - Updated - - -


NFL teams don't play Canadian Football League teams late in the season

No. They have open dates and then play against practice squads during the final two weeks.

[Hillsdale87]

Haha, I'm not the one that just compared Auburn's schedule to an NFL schedule. This is friggin hilarious.

I'm an OSU fan who generally disagrees with Jojo, but he's not wrong comparing Auburn's schedule to an NFL schedule. He wasn't saying that they're playing the equivalent of NFL teams, just that Auburn plays tough teams nearly every week (with a few games against the likes of Jacksonville and Oakland thrown in). I'm not sure any OSU fan would claim that they play good teams even half the time. My biggest complaint as an OSU fan is that the college football season has been boring the last few years. Outside of a few games, I expect OSU to win by 20. Auburn fans get to see their team play at least decent competition on a consistent basis. I think that what hurts the SEC during the regular season is what helps them in the bowl games. By the time they get to a bowl they've played 8-9 quality opponents, while OSU has played 3 or 4. So while teams beat each other up during the regular season, the team that comes out is the best prepared for the bowl game.

I don't think that Auburn is a better team than OSU, and I think that OSU is good enough to be a top team in the SEC this year. But their schedule is undoubtedly more difficult. This is where the 4 team playoff becomes really difficult. Most people agree that OSU looks like a very good team, and probably one of the top 4 teams in the country. The VT loss was horrible, but they're obviously not the same team that they were at the time, so I don't think the selection committee will penalize them too much for that. The problem is that there's really no great way to distinguish between OSU, Baylor, TCU, and Oregon. If OSU beats Wisconsin (which would look a lot better is UW hadn't choked against LSU!!) in the B10 Championship game, they will have as impressive wins as any of the other teams. But I can't really make a great argument that they should be above any of the other teams. Similarly I'm not sure a great argument could be made that the others are more deserving than OSU. 8 teams would make this so much easier... :)

[Assembly Hall]

I don't think anybody here can argue Auburn's schedule. But I also don't think anybody here can argue tOSU's schedule either. It aint their fault the Big 10 is weak. Their OOC schedule wasn't spectacular.........but it wasn't too shabby either. Most years Va Tech would be a Top 25 team. This year they aint. Auburn can hang their hat on their side of the SEC. But that stuff goes in cycles.....it wasn't that long ago where the SEC West sucked and Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia ruled the roost.

With that being said lest not forget that there is a chance that the SEC champ has a loss to one of the worst teams in B1G.

[Slyder]

Well this year it would represent the Oakland Raiders.

Ask KC how that went.

[top6]

Certainly would be a great textbook example of irony.

We could be about to get a better example, lol.

[Assembly Hall]

Ask KC how that went.

Don't you mean the Auburn Chiefs!!!!!!!!

[RedTeamGo!]

OSU deserves to drop in the rankings after that stinker vs Indiana.

[traderumor]

We could be about to get a better example, lol.had it all the way.

[traderumor]

OSU deserves to drop in the rankings after that stinker vs Indiana.Hey, since the game is played, the rules should be close call vs. Indiana, who defeated SEC potential champion is greater than nearly losing to Kansas, if TCU is still in the mix on that day.

[GAC]

Their OOC schedule wasn't spectacular.........but it wasn't too shabby either. Most years Va Tech would be a Top 25 team. This year they aint.

I'll be the first to complain - and have in the past - that I hate programs, whether it's OSU or whoever, who put all these "cupcake" games on their schedule. Why do they do it? Primarily, IMO, it's like having a pre-season where programs, against far inferior competition, are able to work out some kinks, decide a few position battles and, for the most part, start the season off with a win. And of course the incentive for that inferior competition is not only national exposure, but by allowing themselves to be basically humiliated, they receive huge paydays (boosting their Athletic Departments). So in that aspect, both sides are happy and receive something. The only ones who aren't too pleased are the fans.

It's pretty much my habit every new college football season, and I'm not afraid to admit it one bit, that when it comes to OSU, B10, and college football in general, I don't watch too many games because I could care less, have better things to do (especially if the weather is nice) then to watch these teams blow out cupcakes.

But when it comes to OOC games and the SoS ranking, I read this article before the new season started ....... http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/2/26/5401692/2014-college-football-out-of-conference-schedules-best-worst

Now granted, and I readily admit it, as well as the author of the article, that -
The drawback of going this route is that we're looking at what teams were, and not necessarily what they will be. Admittedly, this is not perfect

And most scheduling is done a few years in advance, so there's no way of knowing how well that team(s) are going to perform. Look at OSU's first three opponent's for instance....

2012... Kent State went 11-3, won the MAC East, and went to a Bowl. Last year, not so good (4-8). 2012/2013 - Navy went 8-5 and 9-4 (Bowls both years)). VT, over the last two years went 7-6 and 8-5, with Bowl appearances both years.

2014? Not so good at all. Navy is the only team at .500.

But getting back to that pre-season article, it lists the 10 best and 10 worst non-conference schedules...


Best

Texas: North Texas, BYU, UCLA
Iowa State: North Dakota State, at Iowa, Toledo
West Virginia: Alabama, Towson, at Maryland
USC: Fresno State, at Boston College, Notre Dame
Missouri: South Dakota State, at Toledo, UCF, Indiana
Oklahoma State: Florida State, Missouri State, UTSA
Florida State: Oklahoma State, The Citadel, Notre Dame, Florida
North Carolina: Liberty, San Diego State, at East Carolina, at Notre Dame
Minnesota: Eastern Illinois, Middle Tennessee, at TCU, San Jose State
Ohio State: Navy, Virginia Tech, Kent State, Cincinnati

Worst

NC State: Old Dominion, Georgia Southern, USF, Presbyterian
Vanderbilt: Temple, UMass, Charleston Southern, Old Dominion
Mississippi State: Southern Miss, UAB, at South Alabama, UT-Martin
Alabama: West Virginia, Florida Atlantic, Southern Miss, Western Carolina
Florida: Idaho, Eastern Michigan, Eastern Kentucky, at Florida State
Arizona State: Weber State, at New Mexico, Notre Dame
Duke: Elon, at Troy, Kansas, Tulane
Pittsburgh: Delaware, at Florida International, Iowa, Akron
Texas Tech: Central Arkansas, at UTEP, Arkansas
Colorado: Colorado State, at UMass, Hawaii

Teamrankings has a current non-conference SoS .... http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/non-conference-sos-by-other

[LoganBuck]

I would say if you didn't think OSU was in the top 4, yesterday confirmed that in your mind. If you thought Ohio State was in the playoff,you point to Indiana beating Missouri, and that the young Hoosier 5th string QB was rounding into shape. Throw in some bad luck and there you go. No one else in the Top 7 did anything else to change their status either.

[Assembly Hall]

Good stuff GAC. Your first comments made me think about Digger Phelps and the Irish basketball team "back in the day". 20 wins would get you into the tournament. He scheduled to get those 20 wins. We got Notre Dame here that is playing the likes of UCLA, Marquette, Indiana, and Kentucky.....but yet seemed more often than not they were playing the likes of Lafayette, Fairfield, Hofstra, and Manhattan.

In college football, you don't have that many games to play with. And you sure as heck aren't getting into a 32, 42, 48, or 64 team play-off set-up. Every game is important. I think schools schedule as such as to what their aspirations are.

[Roy Tucker]

I would say if you didn't think OSU was in the top 4, yesterday confirmed that in your mind. If you thought Ohio State was in the playoff,you point to Indiana beating Missouri, and that the young Hoosier 5th string QB was rounding into shape. Throw in some bad luck and there you go. No one else in the Top 7 did anything else to change their status either.

Yep. My other thought is that if FSU loses, they solidified that they will fall pretty far. Like the bottom of the top 10. They continue to do a tightrope act.

[Assembly Hall]

Yep. My other thought is that if FSU loses, they solidified that they will fall pretty far. Like the bottom of the top 10. They continue to do a tightrope act.

Yes sir.......FSU is scraping by, by the skin of their teeth.

[Sea Ray]

Good stuff GAC. Your first comments made me think about Digger Phelps and the Irish basketball team "back in the day". 20 wins would get you into the tournament. He scheduled to get those 20 wins. We got Notre Dame here that is playing the likes of UCLA, Marquette, Indiana, and Kentucky.....but yet seemed more often than not they were playing the likes of Lafayette, Fairfield, Hofstra, and Manhattan.

In college football, you don't have that many games to play with. And you sure as heck aren't getting into a 32, 42, 48, or 64 team play-off set-up. Every game is important. I think schools schedule as such as to what their aspirations are.

The problem with OSU's schedule is not the out of conference games. It's the Big Ten. As I've said many times, the problem isn't with OSU but with the rest of the Big Ten. This goes back to recruiting. On signing day, OSU is typically right there in the top five but the rest of the conference tends to lag far behind. It's a conference problem

[jojo]

OSU's strength of schedule is ranked 55th in the nation by Sagarin. FSU's? Well, FSU's schedule is ranked 49th.

[RedTeamGo!]

OSU's strength of schedule is ranked 55th in the nation by Sagarin. FSU's? Well, FSU's schedule is ranked 49th.

Right now that is true, but (I assume) that will not be true after the conference championships.

I am not saying OSU deserves to be in the playoff over FSU btw, if FSU wins out they absolutely deserve to go, especially over OSU.

I think the problem people have with FSU are the following:

- They barely beat crap teams, their best win is against 7-4 Notre Dame at home, and if it wasn't for the refs stepping in and calling something they had let by earlier in the game - they wouldn't have even won that.

- Jameis Winston is about as shady as shade gets

- Rumors of point shaving

- Stories about players committing criminal acts and the Tallahassee Police covering up for them

[BuckeyeRed27]

It's now time for the self fulfilling prophecy of strengh of schedule part of the argument. About 2 weeks late this year...come on guys you are losing your edge.

[Boston Red]

their best win is against 7-4 Notre Dame at home



How is that better than a win on the road against an 8-3 team that beat Notre Dame in South Bend?

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It's now time for the self fulfilling prophecy of strengh of schedule part of the argument. About 2 weeks late this year...come on guys you are losing your edge.

You don't think strength of schedule is important? You must be a huge advocate for Marshall in the playoffs then.

[RedTeamGo!]

How is that better than a win on the road against an 8-3 team that beat Notre Dame in South Bend?

Oh yeah, I forgot about Louisville - good point. I was thinking last week.

What happened to Notre Dame?

[jojo]

How is that better than a win on the road against an 8-3 team that beat Notre Dame in South Bend?

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You don't think strength of schedule is important? You must be a huge advocate for Marshall in the playoffs then.

And suggesting that SOS wasn't a serious topic of discussion since week one is disingenuous too...self fulfilling prophecy, my foot.

[Assembly Hall]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Louisville - good point. I was thinking last week.

What happened to Notre Dame?

Pretty simple to explain the Irish. They got a bad case of "turnoveritis"!

[Assembly Hall]

OSU's strength of schedule is ranked 55th in the nation by Sagarin. FSU's? Well, FSU's schedule is ranked 49th.

Out of curiosity tell me who FSU has beat that is currently in the Top 25, then I want to see the same results for tOSU.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I didn't say SOS wasn't important, I said it was a self fulfilling prophecy and it is.

Sea Ray had a comment that OSU's problem is the Big 10, yet last week the Big 10 had 5 teams ranked by the committee and by the time the season is over will have played 3 of them. Someone will bring up that they didn't play anybody, or they lost to so and so, or the SEC had better wins, or whatever to prove that the schedule wasn't tough.

And I'd like to thank Jojo for making my point for me that we were discussing SOS from Week 1, which by definition is impossible since no games have been played and it is all based on expectation and bias.

[traderumor]

I didn't say SOS wasn't important, I said it was a self fulfilling prophecy and it is.

Sea Ray had a comment that OSU's problem is the Big 10, yet last week the Big 10 had 5 teams ranked by the committee and by the time the season is over will have played 3 of them. Someone will bring up that they didn't play anybody, or they lost to so and so, or the SEC had better wins, or whatever to prove that the schedule wasn't tough.

And I'd like to thank Jojo for making my point for me that we were discussing SOS from Week 1, which by definition is impossible since no games have been played and it is all based on expectation and bias.
You left out that it is "only 3," because when you are not playing a stacked schedule, as SEC teams are forced to do, it is easier to get pumped up and play really, really, really good in just a few games a year. I got this down.

[jojo]

I didn't say SOS wasn't important, I said it was a self fulfilling prophecy and it is.

Sea Ray had a comment that OSU's problem is the Big 10, yet last week the Big 10 had 5 teams ranked by the committee and by the time the season is over will have played 3 of them. Someone will bring up that they didn't play anybody, or they lost to so and so, or the SEC had better wins, or whatever to prove that the schedule wasn't tough.

And I'd like to thank Jojo for making my point for me that we were discussing SOS from Week 1, which by definition is impossible since no games have been played and it is all based on expectation and bias.

Your point seemed to be snark meant to be dismissive of the notion that SOS is a real, viable and compelling argument against OSU and this has been a major point largely because it is an issue that is a continuation of non-biased assessment of conference schedules over multiple recent year. Other than that, ya, I made your point for you.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Your point seemed to be snark meant to be dismissive of the notion that SOS is a real, viable and compelling argument against OSU and this has been a major point largely because it is an issue that is a continuation of non-biased assessment of conference schedules over multiple recent year. Other than that, ya, I made your point for you.

You made the point that people started to talk about SOS in Week 1, when it is silly and impossible to do so. In Week 1 we thought that Texas A&M was a great team becasue they blew out another great team in South Carolina. Now 2 months later, we know that wasn't the case. Conversely in Week 2 TCU got very little or no credit for beating Minnesota. Now it is a major argument for their inclusion in the playoffs. Stuff like that is why it is silly to talk about SOS until late in the season when most if not all the games have been played.

To your point about Ohio State I don't feel that SOS is a real, viable and compelling argument against them this year because their isn't a team in the conversation that has a massively better or worse schedule that is under consideration. Those teams have either lost too many games or haven't lost any.

[Boston Red]

Most noteworthy thing about this week's rankings? Poor Marshall.

[dabvu2498]

Most noteworthy thing about this week's rankings? Poor Marshall.

A 2-loss SEC team is not the top-ranked 2-loss team. 3-loss Minnesota is ranked ahead of 3-loss Auburn. The only 4-loss ranked team is not an SEC team.

Bias.

[Roy Tucker]

A 2-loss SEC team is not the top-ranked 2-loss team. 3-loss Minnesota is ranked ahead of 3-loss Auburn. The only 4-loss ranked team is not an SEC team.

Bias.

Heresy.

[reds1869]

Most noteworthy thing about this week's rankings? Poor Marshall.

As a Herd fan I'm pretty irritated. Marshall's schedule is undoubtedly terrible--really terrible--but Boise isn't exactly running the gauntlet. Nor are they destroying opponents the way MU has with the exception of this week. Having watched both teams extensively I think Marshall would run BSU off the field. Marshall has this odd unit called a defense that keeps the other team from scoring. In the end the committee seems convinced a "quality loss" is better than a win over a weak opponent.

[GAC]

I'm as big an OSU fan as anyone. And while I hate to admit it - because it shows my age - I've been following them for almost 50 years. But I have a couple of co-workers, both live in Columbus, and they are as fanatical Buckeye fans as one can get. And there is nothing wrong with that ... until... that loyalty forces you to lose any sense of objectivity, fairness, and some sense of balance. In other words.... everything, in their little world, revolves around the Buckeyes ... they're the greatest college program on the face of the earth.... they can do no wrong .... you never criticize or say anything negative about them. And if you do, then you're no "true" fan.

One of them I can tolerate. You can pull him back into the "real world", to some degree, with facts and a sound argument. But it's begrudgingly, like pulling teeth The other guy is an A-hole fan, and I refuse to talk any type of sports with him because of it. He's the same way with the Browns. And when I use to talk to him about either OSU or the Browns, by the time the conversation was over I HATED OSU AND THE BROWNS! (lol)

And every program has these types of fans.

Anyway.... the discussion over the last few weeks, and especially yesterday, was about the college play-offs and who should be in right now. And I said I had no problem with the four that are currently ranked. OSU and/or TCU, IMO, still have an outside chance that could change this weekend (or next). But, as it is right now, they are long-shots. And we all know the scenarios that have to play out for either of them to get in there (but still possible).

So it was IMMEDIATELY thrown at me, by these two, that FSU, even though they are undefeated, doesn't belong there because of the weak ACC, and their weak schedule - "They don't play anyone!".

My response? ...

Remember over the past decade when OSU went undefeated, appeared to be heading for the NC game, and their "critics" were echoing the same sentiment? We all, as Buckeye fans, cast those aspersions aside and staunchly defended that they deserved to be there. And I think they did deserve to be there. It's irrelevant, IMO, that they ended up getting blown out in two of those three games - other teams suffered blow-outs too in those games - they ALL still earned the right, and deserved to be there.

So why are you now changing the "rules", your position, when it comes to FSU, who is in a similar position? What's different now? And if you think FSU shouldn't be in that top four, then who? If your response is OSU, then based on what criteria? OSU's SoS is nothing to brag about either. And while FSU is undefeated, OSU has suffered a loss to a really bad VT team.

The A-hole fan mumbled something at me - probably accusing me, once again, of not being a true OSU fan - and walked away (LOL).

I'm probably with everyone else, and believe, that FSU is probably the weakest link of all those ranked teams currently slated for the four team play-offs. In fact, again my opinion, they probably wouldn't survive against a majority of the teams ranked in the top 10. But if things don't change, they go undefeated, IMO, they deserve to be there.

The play-offs will/will not expose them right?

[Boston Red]

OSU is 0-1 (at home no less) against ACC teams and this guy wants to claim OSU should be ahead of an undefeated ACC team? I'm sure being inside that guy's head and understanding his thought process is fascinating (and scary).

[paintmered]

UC fans are currently in an awkward position of not knowing whether to root for or against OSU. If the Buckeyes make it into the playoff, then it's more likely TCU will not leaving the Big 12 without a spot in the playoff. This might be enough to get the Big 12 to pull the trigger on expansion. And while we'd prefer to head east to the ACC, any life raft will do if it means rescue from the AAC.

On the other hand, rooting for OSU is like living in District 12 and rooting for the Capitol.

[RedTeamGo!]

On the other hand, rooting for OSU is like living in District 12 and rooting for the Capitol.

HAHAHA - it is rare I spit coffee/liquid out of my mouth, but congrats, you just did it.

[Assembly Hall]

OSU is 0-1 (at home no less) against ACC teams and this guy wants to claim OSU should be ahead of an undefeated ACC team? I'm sure being inside that guy's head and understanding his thought process is fascinating (and scary).

I think a lot times people just look at how teams are playing in the "here and now". But this aint "March Madness". They don't let a bunch of teams in to the tournament. In the realm of college football, being undefeated and doing it in a power conference says something. It is just how it works, and rightfully so.

[Roy Tucker]

I consider Alabama, FSU, and Oregon to be locks if they win out.

The quartet of Miss. St. , TCU, OSU, and Baylor is where it's going to be very interesting.

[Kingspoint]

It's Rival Week.

Anything can happen. Records can be pretty much thrown out the window this week.

It's what makes College Football better than NFL Football. Emotions can really motivate a team.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Hard for me to say this... GO WAR EAGLE! :D

[jojo]

Hard for me to say this... GO WAR EAGLE! :D

You should learn to say it right and besides, if Auburn wins, theyd have a stronger case than OSU.

[BuckeyeRed27]

You should learn to say it right and besides, if Auburn wins, theyd have a stronger case than OSU.

That's adorable. Never change.

[RedFanAlways1966]

I don't talk southern, y'all. Three losses speaks louder than SOS unfortunately. Not my doing, but just how the NCAA football bounces. And I will bet money that an Auburn win this weekend will not put them ahead of OSU if they beat Michigan (regardless of the final score in either game).

[jojo]

I don't talk southern, y'all. Three losses speaks louder than SOS unfortunately. Not my doing, but just how the NCAA football bounces. And I will bet money that an Auburn win this weekend will not put them ahead of OSU if they beat Michigan (regardless of the final score in either game).

It has nothing to do with speaking southern. It has everything to do with speaking correctly. What speaks even louder is strength of wins. And that is how the ball bounces-Auburn would have a much more compelling case. Sorry, and there is nothing adorable about suggesting OSU needs to beat someone.

[Boston Red]

Auburn could take their very compelling case to the Eat Mor Chiken Bowl with a win this weekend.

[jojo]

Auburn could take their very compelling case to the Eat Mor Chiken Bowl with a win this weekend.

The world realizes that the IB is the superbowl of college football.

Anyway, concerning whatever buckeye fan fantasizes about (and from everything their AD has done with their football program recently it seems like they fantasize about being an SEC member), after the generous gift of Buckeye chokeage given last year, it would be impolite of Auburn to not beat Bama this year.

[Boston Red]

If the world is defined as Alabama, then you have no argument.

[jojo]

If the world is defined as Alabama, then you have no argument.

No, as in the world as defined by all habitable continents including those which merely house scientific outposts. I'm even comfortable including all bodies that have had man in someway influence them, so Mars and beyond as well.

[Boston Red]

I'm gonna have to call BS. I don't think the inhabitants of New Caledonia give one rat's ass about the Iron Bowl.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Actually Jojo I would like you to lay it out for me in all seriousness. If Auburn beats Alabama and Ohio State beats Michigan and either Wisconsin or Minnesota to win the Big10, I would like to hear your argument why Auburn is a more worthy candidate than Ohio State.

[traderumor]

OSU is 0-1 (at home no less) against ACC teams and this guy wants to claim OSU should be ahead of an undefeated ACC team? I'm sure being inside that guy's head and understanding his thought process is fascinating (and scary).I think your logic is a bit off for justifying why an undefeated team should be ahead of a one loss team. It isn't like the ACC team is a good team in a tough conference that has relegated them to mediocrity. A mediocre team met a bad opposing game plan on the right night. So........mocking the other guy is a fascinating thought process as well.

[jojo]

I think your logic is a bit off for justifying why an undefeated team should be ahead of a one loss team. It isn't like the ACC team is a good team in a tough conference that has relegated them to mediocrity. A mediocre team met a bad opposing game plan on the right night. So........mocking the other guy is a fascinating thought process as well.

A loss to a mediocre team in a lousy conference seems especially damning.

[traderumor]

A loss to a mediocre team in a lousy conference seems especially damning.So is an undefeated team in a lousy conference. I get why the undefeated team is still in the mix, but it is not because anyone really believes that they are one of the top 4 teams. Is barely winning games in a lousy conference any less damning? Yet there they are, in the top 4 for reasons other than on field performance. BTW, the one loss team, the loss in week 2, has clearly performed better than the undefeated team that has pulled games out in very unimpressive fashion over the course of an ENTIRE season. It's like giving a kid a failing grade because he flunked a homework assignment but aced the midterm and final exams. I know that is the system, but logic is clearly not a part of it. The process is political and easily swayed by a pop culture mentality. To diss others for actually looking at the true merits of the team and not debating based on political and popularity forces is ridiculous.

The ONLY reason that FSU is in the top 4 is because they have to be, not because they deserve it.

[GAC]

On the other hand, rooting for OSU is like living in District 12 and rooting for the Capitol.

But I'd root for UC, and have. We Ohioans gotta stick together buddy - because our opportunities are rare when it comes to Ohia teams! :p

[GAC]

What speaks even louder is strength of wins. And that is how the ball bounces

That's true - strength of wins is a variable. But not to the exclusion of other factors. There's no denying that Auburn's schedule was the toughest. But what speaks even louder, irregardless of the quality of the opponent, or one's SoS, is the glaring fact that Auburn suffered three losses. That is what has hurt Auburn, will bite them you-know-where when it's all said and done, and why they have no compelling case as far as one of those four coveted play-off spots. Even if they manage to beat Alabama.

They can beat Alabama and still can't make the SEC championship game. All they can do this weekend is possibly play spoiler by beating Alabama and muddying the picture even further. But they won't even get close enough to sniff the play-offs. And the strength of wins argument ain't gonna wash in this particular case.

[Boston Red]

I think your logic is a bit off for justifying why an undefeated team should be ahead of a one loss team. It isn't like the ACC team is a good team in a tough conference that has relegated them to mediocrity. A mediocre team met a bad opposing game plan on the right night. So........mocking the other guy is a fascinating thought process as well.

Florida State is undefeated in the ACC. That is a feat Ohio State is clearly not capable of pulling off. Ohio State has zero legs to stand on here. Particularly when the Big Ten is only slightly less awful than the ACC.

[Boston Red]

By the way, the ratings that I trust the most (Sagarin), have neither Ohio State nor Florida State in the top 10.

[jojo]

Actually Jojo I would like you to lay it out for me in all seriousness. If Auburn beats Alabama and Ohio State beats Michigan and either Wisconsin or Minnesota to win the Big10, I would like to hear your argument why Auburn is a more worthy candidate than Ohio State.

Auburn would have road victories against KSate, Ole Miss (before they had the serious injury issues) and Bama. OSU would have one win that they could seriously brag about-beating a two loss MSU team (assuming they don't trip up against PSU) and your resume building home stretch articulated above would essentially be beating a non bowl eligible team and either a 3 loss or 4 loss Big Ten team (both of whom lost to OOC foes from power 5 conferences). As pole vaulting goes, that is maybe good enough to win the little people's olympics.

Seriously, your argument would hinge upon saying Auburn lost three games while playing one of the toughest schedules in America while OSU only lost one playing a weaker schedule than FSU while having a track record that indicates OSU wouldn't even have been undefeated in the ACC.

Do I seriously think Auburn would become a playoff team by beating Bama? No. But they'd certainly deserve it more than OSU because a three loss Auburn team actually wouldve had a better regular season.

[jojo]

By the way, the ratings that I trust the most (Sagarin), have neither Ohio State nor Florida State in the top 10.

Sagarin is clearly biased though because 4 of the top 7 teams in his top ten are ones Auburn had to play on the road. BTW, 8 of Sagarin's top 18 teams are on Auburn's schedule.

Counting Wins and losses is a myopathy if context is thrown out the window.

[Boston Red]

I'm just glad Louisville has Auburn on the schedule next year so that if the Cards go undefeated I don't have to worry about arguing with jojo about whether they're more worthy than Auburn. :)

[jojo]

I'm just glad Louisville has Auburn on the schedule next year so that if the Cards go undefeated I don't have to worry about arguing with jojo about whether they're more worthy than Auburn. :)

Word on the street is that Louisville has already conceded.

[Assembly Hall]

jojo is just passionate about his school and the conference they play in. Out of curiosity does anyone know how many Big 10 vs. SEC games there were this year?

[jimbo]

Actually Jojo I would like you to lay it out for me in all seriousness. If Auburn beats Alabama and Ohio State beats Michigan and either Wisconsin or Minnesota to win the Big10, I would like to hear your argument why Auburn is a more worthy candidate than Ohio State.

SEC dude!!

[GAC]

Florida State is undefeated in the ACC. That is a feat Ohio State is clearly not capable of pulling off.

Respectfully Boston, I don't understand what this is suppose to prove, and it's kind of a silly analogy.

There's no denying that that early season loss to VT hurt OSU. It was in fact an embarrassment looking at how poorly VT has done this season. But even if OSU was undefeated, I don't believe they'd be in the top 4. They and TCU would be reversed.


Ohio State has zero legs to stand on here.

All I can say is "Thank God you and jojo don't get to make that decision!" (LOL)

You're a voice, and I respect that. But It doesn't matter what rating you trust the most (Sagarin). As much as I respect Sagarin, it's not the lone voice in determining who does/does not make the cut. You, and jojo, are being very selective - and even incomplete - in the source/criteria you want to use, when the criteria (process) that Selection Committee uses is far more exhaustive.... http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-faqs

And according to that SC, teams like OSU, TCU, and maybe a couple others, do have a leg to stand on, and are very much in that hunt. If that wasn't so, and they only utilized the criteria you and jojo want to specify, then they wouldn't be at the ranking # they currently are at now .... and neither would Auburn.

When all is said and done, I still see two SEC teams in the play-offs. But one of them won't be Auburn - even if they beat 'Bama. ;)

[GAC]

SEC dude!!

You got that right buddy! :thumbup:

We're all SEC fans this weekend ..... especially Auburn, Ole Miss, and Florida! LOL

[traderumor]

Florida State is undefeated in the ACC. That is a feat Ohio State is clearly not capable of pulling off. Ohio State has zero legs to stand on here. Particularly when the Big Ten is only slightly less awful than the ACC.Yes, its that simple, duh me.

[Roy Tucker]

Almost every year, the end game of the college season throws all kinds of twists and turns at the ratings. This year should be no different.

[paintmered]

How many "good" losses equals one "bad" loss in the eyes of the committee?

[Boston Red]

Yes, its that simple

Pretty much. Well, add in that the Big Ten stinks and you've pretty much got the full picture.

[kaldaniels]

By the way, the ratings that I trust the most (Sagarin), have neither Ohio State nor Florida State in the top 10.

Those are interesting rankings to say the least. 10 SEC teams in the top 20.

Here's my question, which I asked to some degree earlier, but never got an answer.

What 10 inter-conference games this year, are the games most influencing the computers propping up the SEC teams? I understand they "cannibalize each other". But off the top of my head, there are probably 5 games (inter-conference) involving the SEC that were great wins for the conference. But top that off with the "baddest loss" any conference contender has had (Mizzou/IU). I just don't get the pathway you take to proclaim say Florida, a top-20 team.

As much as they cannibalize each other, their good rankings do prop up the losses that they suffer. It's like the chicken and the egg. Granted they had some nice wins (and an ugly loss) but is that all it takes to prop up a conference top to bottom with the computers?

And the Michigan State over OSU ranking...despite the VaTech loss, I find a hard pathway to that one.

[RedFanAlways1966]

And the Michigan State over OSU ranking...despite the VaTech loss, I find a hard pathway to that one.

Because Sagarin is just another self-professed expert (blow-hard). There are lots of them. I had a friend, an Auburn nut of all things, that questioned Sagarin on his rankings via e-mail. This was about 4 years ago and the e-mail was shown to me. It was well written and in no way derogatory/mean. Just asking him to explain how this team could be ranked lower than this team. Sagarin replied. More or less called my friend an idiot that does not know as much as himself... while giving no reasoning or answer to the question asked. True story.

[Boston Red]

Marshall has this odd unit called a defense that keeps the other team from scoring.

You were saying? Ouch.

[Assembly Hall]

Those are interesting rankings to say the least. 10 SEC teams in the top 20.

Here's my question, which I asked to some degree earlier, but never got an answer.

What 10 inter-conference games this year, are the games most influencing the computers propping up the SEC teams? I understand they "cannibalize each other". But off the top of my head, there are probably 5 games (inter-conference) involving the SEC that were great wins for the conference. But top that off with the "baddest loss" any conference contender has had (Mizzou/IU). I just don't get the pathway you take to proclaim say Florida, a top-20 team.

As much as they cannibalize each other, their good rankings do prop up the losses that they suffer. It's like the chicken and the egg. Granted they had some nice wins (and an ugly loss) but is that all it takes to prop up a conference top to bottom with the computers?

And the Michigan State over OSU ranking...despite the VaTech loss, I find a hard pathway to that one.

I will take a stab at this from a Hoosier point of view.

The preseason rankings are critical. To me, much of what the computer spits out , is based a lot on polls before the teams even take the fields. Many of those SEC teams were held in high regards early and remain so. The Big 10 schools, even as B1G fan, were not in the beginning and rightfully so.

I would surmise that MSU being over OSU has something to do with who your opponents opponents were. I would say that the Spartans playing Oregon has a lot to do with that. Sparty has two losses, to two highly touted teams. While the Buckeyes got beat, at home, by a so-so one. I don't necessarily agree with the theory, but I understand the logic behind it.

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You were saying? Ouch.

LMAO

[traderumor]

I will take a stab at this from a Hoosier point of view.

The preseason rankings are critical. To me, much of what the computer spits out , is based a lot on polls before the teams even take the fields. Many of those SEC teams were held in high regards early and remain so. The Big 10 schools, even as B1G fan, were not in the beginning and rightfully so.

I would surmise that MSU being over OSU has something to do with who your opponents opponents were. I would say that the Spartans playing Oregon has a lot to do with that. Sparty has two losses, to two highly touted teams. While the Buckeyes got beat, at home, by a so-so one. I don't necessarily agree with the theory, but I understand the logic behind it.

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LMAO

You are going to have to fill me in on the logic that would have MSU ahead of a team with fewer losses which they lost to at home? Is that Common Core math?

There are some very interesting equations and logical thought sequences in this here playoff rankings discussion, head spinningly so.

[kaldaniels]

I will take a stab at this from a Hoosier point of view.

The preseason rankings are critical. To me, much of what the computer spits out , is based a lot on polls before the teams even take the fields. Many of those SEC teams were held in high regards early and remain so. The Big 10 schools, even as B1G fan, were not in the beginning and rightfully so.

I would surmise that MSU being over OSU has something to do with who your opponents opponents were. I would say that the Spartans playing Oregon has a lot to do with that. Sparty has two losses, to two highly touted teams. While the Buckeyes got beat, at home, by a so-so one. I don't necessarily agree with the theory, but I understand the logic behind it.

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LMAO

I guess I had just assumed computers were independent of the polls.

If "much" of what the computers say is based on preseason polls, that's all I need to know.

[Boston Red]

Sagarin has nothing to do with preseason polls. It's entirely based on this season's results.

[jojo]

Sagarin has nothing to do with preseason polls. It's entirely based on this season's results.

See, biased!

[RedFanAlways1966]

You are going to have to fill me in on the logic that would have MSU ahead of a team with fewer losses which they lost to at home?

End of argument. End of using Sagarin or relying on his model. Perhaps Sagarin thinks Michigan State's QB or water boy is cuter than Ohio State's. Although I welcome anyone (not named Jud Heathcote or Tom Izzo) trying to explain with a straight face. WARNING... cuteness factors will not be taken seriously.

[Assembly Hall]

You are going to have to fill me in on the logic that would have MSU ahead of a team with fewer losses which they lost to at home? Is that Common Core math?

There are some very interesting equations and logical thought sequences in this here playoff rankings discussion, head spinningly so.

It sure as heck aint on my end. Common sense(throw Math out of it) tells me that Ohio State went to East Lansing and kicked the vaunted Spartan's defense butts.

But a computer only spits out what you put into it!!!!!!

[Assembly Hall]

Sagarin has nothing to do with preseason polls. It's entirely based on this season's results.

No he doesn't. But where does a SOS come from? The polls.

[jojo]

No he doesn't. But where does a SOS come from? The polls.

Do you know how Sagarin works?

[Assembly Hall]

Do you know how Sagarin works?


To be honest, no I don't. I gave up on him years ago with his basketball stuff. And when I say years ago........I mean years ago.

[Boston Red]

No he doesn't. But where does a SOS come from? The polls.

SOS comes from current year performance of opponents.