Reds vs. Bad Guys 4/10/15

[NebraskaRed]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCPxbhpW0AAzepX.jpg

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Love this lineup...except for the 9-hole hitter.

[cumberlandreds]

If the Reds keep winning and Price keeps the same lineup then Redszone isn't going to have anything to complain about.

[reds44]

You guys hate Marquis so much I find myself massively rooting for him.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

You guys hate Marquis so much I find myself massively rooting for him.

I'm hoping it's reverse psychology on Jason. :D

[reds44]

There's no way he's going to be Simon, but if he could post an ERA in the low 4's I'll make fun of everybody all season haha

[NebraskaRed]

You guys hate Marquis so much I find myself massively rooting for him.

No hate here. I don't like that he is on this team due to his poor performance the past few years, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

[villain612]

We've seen so many guys go to the Cardinals and turn into studs.

It's about time that gets reversed for a change.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

There's no way he's going to be Simon, but if he could post an ERA in the low 4's I'll make fun of everybody all season haha

If that's the case, I'll gladly field insults left and right and feast on a crow buffet.

[cumberlandreds]

You guys hate Marquis so much I find myself massively rooting for him.

I never root against anyone on my team. I may not have much faith in them at times but am happy when they prove me wrong. I do think there are some that root against that player they don't like or feel they should not be on the team just prove themselves right.

[cumberlandreds]

Bad guys lineup:


Cardinals


1. Matt Carpenter (L) 3B
2. Jason Heyward (L) RF
3. Matt Holliday (R) LF
4. Matt Adams (L) 1B
5. Jhonny Peralta (R) SS
6. Yadier Molina (R) C
7. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
8. Randal Grichuk (R) CF
9. John Lackey (R) P

[villain612]

If the Reds are still in it halfway through, this is the type of game where we could see Cingrani for 2 or 3 innings I think.

[Tom Servo]

I played this game on MLB: The Show last night. Marquis pitched 7 innings of 1 run ball and Mesoraco hit a grand slam. Reds won 5-2.


So it is written, so it shall be done.

[NeilHamburger]

Marquis might be an even better hitter than Leake. So if he lasts long enough to get an at bat there is that.

[swaisuc]

Too bad we never get rain delays around here to negate the starting pitcher

[villain612]

I played this game on MLB: The Show last night. Marquis pitched 7 innings of 1 run ball and Mesoraco hit a grand slam. Reds won 5-2.


So it is written, so it shall be done.

A positive Tom post concerning Marquis.

I was gonna be in the game thread tonight just to watch your head explode.

[Tom Servo]

A positive Tom post concerning Marquis.

I was gonna be in the game thread tonight just to watch your head explode.
Like cumberlandreds said, I never root against a Red. I hope Marquis wins 20 games and the Cy Young, and that Kevin Gregg leads Reds relievers in appearances with effective outings each time out.


I just don't like the chances of either one of them doing anything except hurting us overall.

[Larry Schuler]

I usually roll my eyes at people who do this but I predict a loss. Law of averages meets Jason Marquis meets several new Cardinals who are inevitably going to make their great first impressions against the Reds.

[villain612]

Offense is gonna have to put up a 5 or 6 spot tonight to win IMO.

Let's go Reds!

#thehuntfor162-0

[Beltway]

Marquis had a season where his OPS+ was over 100. Unfortunately that was in 2005 and his bat won't good enough to make up for his arm.

[reds44]

My God, I've never read a more chest thumping piece in my life.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-louis-cardinals-sabermetrics-analysis/2015/4/10/8381669/jason-marquis-carlos-martinez-and-the-cardinal-way-vs-the-jocketty-way


As two 23-year-olds came to the finish line in the St. Louis Cardinals' fifth-starter competition last month the Cincinnati Reds were awarding a starting job to a 35-year-old non-roster invitee coming off Tommy John surgery. The organization's respective approaches to filling out their starting rotations is a distillation of Mozeliakism and Jockettyism. It's homegrown talent vs. scrap-heap retread.

[NebraskaRed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_QiydPs25o

[757690]

My God, I've never read a more chest thumping piece in my life.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-louis-cardinals-sabermetrics-analysis/2015/4/10/8381669/jason-marquis-carlos-martinez-and-the-cardinal-way-vs-the-jocketty-way

Best fans in baseball.

[Larry Schuler]

My God, I've never read a more chest thumping piece in my life.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-louis-cardinals-sabermetrics-analysis/2015/4/10/8381669/jason-marquis-carlos-martinez-and-the-cardinal-way-vs-the-jocketty-way

The Cardinal way.

[RichRed]

My God, I've never read a more chest thumping piece in my life.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-louis-cardinals-sabermetrics-analysis/2015/4/10/8381669/jason-marquis-carlos-martinez-and-the-cardinal-way-vs-the-jocketty-way

That settles it. I'm definitely rooting for the Reds tonight.

[Tom Servo]

My God, I've never read a more chest thumping piece in my life.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-louis-cardinals-sabermetrics-analysis/2015/4/10/8381669/jason-marquis-carlos-martinez-and-the-cardinal-way-vs-the-jocketty-way
Jocketty is the one who hired Mozeliak and started their whole stupid 20 year or whatever it's been run of dominance, and they still have to take shots.

[ac084c]

My God, I've never read a more chest thumping piece in my life.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-louis-cardinals-sabermetrics-analysis/2015/4/10/8381669/jason-marquis-carlos-martinez-and-the-cardinal-way-vs-the-jocketty-way

You seem genuinely surprised that a piece posted on a fanblog for the other team would do some chest thumping.

[ac084c]

Jocketty is the one who hired Mozeliak and started their whole stupid 20 year or whatever it's been run of dominance, and they still have to take shots.

Technically they were hired at the same time. They came over from Colorado together.

[RedsfaninMT]

Seems the "author" is pointing out the amazing Cards development system versus the bankrupt Reds one. By my count the Reds will start 6 players who came up through the Reds system. The Cards will start 5. Neither pitcher came from their teams farm system. Seems pretty ridiculous to me.

[ac084c]

Seems the "author" is pointing out the amazing Cards development system versus the bankrupt Reds one. By my count the Reds will start 6 players who came up through the Reds system. The Cards will start 5. Neither pitcher came from their teams farm system. Seems pretty ridiculous to me.

I believe he is more focused on the trend Jocketty had while in St. Louis and agree that the analysis of his time and roster in Cincinnati is incredibly superficial (i.e. drawing conclusions based wholly on Marquis).

[GADawg]

You guys hate Marquis so much I find myself massively rooting for him.

Well said.....same for me with Cozart

[GADawg]

Bad guys lineup:


Cardinals


1. Matt Carpenter (L) 3B
2. Jason Heyward (L) RF
3. Matt Holliday (R) LF
4. Matt Adams (L) 1B
5. Jhonny Peralta (R) SS
6. Yadier Molina (R) C
7. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
8. Randal Grichuk (R) CF
9. John Lackey (R) P


Sweet no Jon jay reds killer

Also Lackey isn't as hate worthy as Chris Carpenter but at least he tries to be

[villain612]

I read somewhere that the Reds are the first team since the 1975 Reds to win the first three games of the season in their last at bat (counting taking the lead in the bottom of the 8th).

I'm not predicting anything....but yeah, we're totally winning 108 games this year.

[Tom Servo]

Technically they were hired at the same time. They came over from Colorado together.
Yeah but Jocketty was the GM while Moz was working in scouting. So I don't think the Cards said "Well we got Jocketty as GM and we really need this Mozeliak guy in scouting", it wasn't some package deal. Jocketty brought Moz with him to St. Louis.

[Raisor]

I hate the cardinals and their stupid fans.

#HateTheCardinalsAndTheirStupidFans

[Magdal]

You guys hate Marquis so much I find myself massively rooting for him.He may be the best hitter in the Reds' lineup tonight.

[dubc47834]

The word "Hero" get's thrown around losely, but Laren Hill is the definition of hero in my opinion.

Nice moment of silence for Taveras also...classy move!!!

[villain612]

Colorado beating the Cubbies 5-1 in the 8th.

[Magdal]

Sweet no Jon jay reds killer

Also Lackey isn't as hate worthy as Chris Carpenter but at least he tries to beBut he IS quite annoying at times: "Thank the lord for this" and "Thank the lord for that".....I can't stand it when athletes say stuff like that!

[Tom Servo]

But he IS quite annoying at times: "Thank the lord for this" and "Thank the lord for that".....I can't stand it when athletes say stuff like that!
Isn't Lackey also the dude who divorced his wife who had breast cancer?

[Tom Servo]

http://i.imgur.com/P8Gln5V.png

:alcohol::alcohol::alcohol:

[villain612]

Matheny is from Ohio and decided to go to Michigan for college.

Another reason to hate the Cardinals.

[Larkin Fan]

Awesome 4 pitch walk. Help us please.

[Tom Servo]

lol

[JMO]

Not a good start..

[Larkin Fan]

Now a wild pitch. Woohoo.

[villain612]

lol

I was holding off

[757690]

I wonder who will have a better debut with their new team: Marquis or Latos? Looks like it may be a close one.

[Chuckie]

No one could have predicted this. Completely unexpected.

[JMO]

Awful. WP and passed ball

[Chuckie]

Mesoraco is bad at catching strikeouts

[Gandalf the Red]

Marveling at Marquis' brilliant execution of Price's strategy to lull the Cards into a false sense of security.

[villain612]

Get Cingrani up in the pen.

[Chuckie]

Too early to get Cingrani loose?

[The Operator]

Wow. 2nd walk in 3 batters.

If you can't throw hard you should at least be able to throw strikes.

[Tom Servo]

You know, it's almost like Marquis is the same pitcher he always was and didn't magically become Cy Young during Spring Training 2015.

[JMO]

Uh oh

[757690]

Gregg looked better on opening day.

[Chuckie]

Get Cingrani up in the pen.

LMAO

[JMO]

You know, it's almost like Marquis is the same pitcher he always was and didn't magically become Cy Young during Spring Training 2015.

Yep

[Tom Servo]

4.60 ERA = Great years in St. Louis

[villain612]

Mesoraco is bad at catching strikeouts


To be fair, Mesoraco is in a state of shock that he's catching pitches from Jason Marquis.

[The Operator]

I knew we wouldn't make it past the first inning without a mention of how awesomely super fantastic great Dave Duncan was as a pitching coach.

[wheels]

I'm getting a 2004 vibe watching this. Imminent Death Syndrome.

[Larkin Fan]

Are we being punk'd?

[The Operator]

Pitch misses by a mile. Thom: "JUST off the corner."

[The Operator]

SIGH. 1-0 already.

[Chuckie]

Yep, Marquis is awful.

[gilpdawg]

Lucky Peralta didn't go yard there. Pitch FX had it hanging right down the middle.

[757690]

SIGH. 1-0 already.

If the inning ends 1-0, I'd be super happy

[Gandalf the Red]

Yikes. I'm afraid that prominent promo behind home plate for the Todd Frazier Bobblehead giveaway *tomorrow* is going to quickly become salt in the wound for the people who showed up tonight.

[The Operator]

Molina leads the league in several offensive categories, including neck tattoos.

[villain612]

The bat boy should've hit that Cardinals fan in the face with the chair.

I need a beer.

[NebraskaRed]

http://media.giphy.com/media/mnJRjgXZ2ooh2/giphy.gif

[RedsLvr]

Still better than Latos. :)

[villain612]

1-0 is a moral victory.

[faffy42]

Well...I guess that could of gone worse. He's got to find the strike zone though. And I think Mez needs a day off.

[wheels]

Not unexpected.

[foxfire123]

*sigh* The way he's pitching, they're going to have to score 40 runs to even sniff a win tonight...

WTH was Jocketty thinking this this washed up piece of crap?

[villain612]

Still better than Latos. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8MO7fkZc5o

- - - Updated - - -


Well...I guess that could of gone worse. He's got to find the strike zone though. And I think Mez needs a day off.

I imagine Rocco gets tomorrow off with Cueto on the mound.

[757690]

4.60 ERA = Great years in St. Louis

I'm guessing that was league average those days. Not great, but I'll take it from a guy starting 30+ games a year, every year.

[Gandalf the Red]

Still better than Latos. :)

I think my grandma could clear that bar.

[dubc47834]

Run billy run

[757690]

I hope Pete has the over tonight

[Rijo's Ghost]

Well...I guess that could of gone worse. He's got to find the strike zone though. And I think Mez needs a day off.

I don't know what Mesoraco is having trouble with. Marquis throws an 87 mph 2 seamer and a crappy slider. That's it.

[dubc47834]

That was funny

[The Operator]

LOL Billy is going to lead the league in drawing balks this year.

[757690]

Lol Lackey

[NebraskaRed]

Walk and a balk

[villain612]

lol

Did you see the look on Votto's face?

[The Operator]

Votto!

2-1 reds!!!!

[wheels]

CLUTCH.

[Tom Servo]

Votto! :jump:

[Larkin Fan]

Joey Votto says hi to his haters.

[Gandalf the Red]

Welcome back, Joey. We've missed you, pal.

[NebraskaRed]

man, I gotta slow down on the whiskey. I thought Votto homred again right there.

[faffy42]

Suck on that one!!!! VOTTO@@@@@!

[TheBurn]

JV Power :clap:

[BluegrassRedleg]

Vintage Votto. :beerme:

[Larkin Fan]

Votto for MVP

[villain612]

I am concerned about Votto's XBH this year. He's skipping doubles.

[NebraskaRed]

Walk, balk, homer.

[The Operator]

Marty: "See, all Votto needed to was stop looking for walks up there. I am SO SMART!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcGQpjCztgA

[mbgrayson]

Once again, Votto failed to walk....

[dubc47834]

That ball didn't look like it was hit that hard. Where the Votto haters at????

[SweetLou1990]

I am a teenage girl in love. Sigh

[757690]

Hamivotto.

I'm getting to like the Reds' top of the order.

[Larkin Fan]

Now time for Marquis to put us down again. Woohoo.

[villain612]

I hope Pete has the over tonight

Winning comment so far.

[Larry Schuler]

If Marquis can outperform his stuff and only allow 1 run per inning, we could win this!

[Larkin Fan]

I hope that some can put their fears about Joey's power to rest.

[dubc47834]

IF the top of the lineup can keep this up, my prediction of 85 wins is gonna be waaaay short

[wheels]

We know who the haters are, and we know they are weeping.

[cincrazy]

I do believe the Reds have the most pain in the ass top of the lineup combination in baseball. Hamilton's speed coupled with Votto's patience and power is going to leave many a pitcher shaking their head this year.

[dubc47834]

waiting...waiting....waiting........

[wheels]

This thread is going to be a face melter.

[757690]

Going out on a limb and say that 2-1 will not be the final score of this game.

[Ironman92]

I know this site is metricville...but IMO what BHam does to a pitcher once he reaches base is immeasurable.

[The Operator]

LOL that didn't take long.

[dubc47834]

If Marquis can outperform his stuff and only allow 1 run per inning, we could win this!

FAIL...LOL

[villain612]

lol

[757690]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 3-2 will not be the final score of the game tonight.

[wheels]

Jason Marquis is like Dark Matter. Anything that shines, suddenly....doesn't.

[Red Raindog]

OK -- Gregg AND you know who --- there's the door....

[Gandalf the Red]

I'm imagining Marquis reading this thread between innings and his reaction is exactly like that SNL skit where John Malkovich keeps exclaiming "You mock me!" at everyone.

[Larkin Fan]

LOL that didn't take long.
You can't possibly be shocked? ;)

[faffy42]

Oh my goodness... Jason is not a marquee pitcher.

[Stray]

Marquis just teeing it up for em.

[cincrazy]

I wish there was a simulation button I could push to get through these Marquis innings quicker.

[Cyclone792]

Get used to this, Reds fans. This is Jason Marquis being Jason Marquis.

[Falcon7]

He's getting way too many RBI for my liking...

But he may need to hit a couple more 2 run jobs to keep us in this one.

[malcontent]

Has Maholm signed anywhere?

[NebraskaRed]

http://media.giphy.com/media/mnJRjgXZ2ooh2/giphy.gif

[gilpdawg]

I know this site is metricville...but IMO what BHam does to a pitcher once he reaches base is immeasurable.

Thing is, that's measurable if someone wants to comb through game logs.

[Chuckie]

I don't know what's more depressing: Marquis being in the Reds' rotation. Or Holmberg being the Bats' opening day starter (e.g. the guy the Reds think is the next-best option to join the rotation).

[Tom Servo]

I loathe the Jason Marquis signing.

[Gandalf the Red]

Has Maholm signed anywhere?

Heck, I'm sitting here wondering what Scott Scudder is up to these days.

[gilpdawg]

Thing is, that's measurable if someone wants to comb through game logs.

And I may do just that on a rainy day.

[villain612]

Anyone up in the pen?

[cincrazy]

I loathe the Jason Marquis signing.

The signing itself was bad enough. The decision to bring him north because "his stuff looked great" is incomprehensible.

[Red Raindog]

47 pitches thru 2 ---- :help:

[Larry Schuler]

If you take away the hard hits and runs, Marquis has gotten 6 outs. Not bad!

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Yikes. How embarrassing for Heyward.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I loathe the Jason Marquis signing.

If you ever saw the series "Damages" ...

8894

[Chuckie]

At least Jason Heyward appears to really suck (just like he did with the Braves). He has somehow now struck out twice against Marquis in this game, accounting for 33.3 percent of the Cards' outs.

Cardinals could end up really regretting that Shelby Miller trade. Heyward has never been good (and never will be IMO).

[The Operator]

You can't possibly be shocked? ;)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPVI8EbMi0Y

[wheels]

Jason Marquis isn't really to blame for this. I think I read somewhere that he's allergic to pitching well.

My heart goes out to him.

[faffy42]

Well...on the brightside. This is marquis only start, Bailey back next start. Wishful thinking?

[SunDeck]

"I don't think the heavy stuffs going to come down for quite a while."

[cincrazy]

Jason Marquis is out to prove that it's possible to post an ERA over 6.00 in the middle of the steroid era AND a decade later in the new "deadball" era. Way to go Jason!

[villain612]

47 pitches thru 2 ---- :help:


I consider this a good thing.

He'll be gone sooner.

[foxfire123]

Not real impressed with this Byrd signing either....

[NebraskaRed]

There's no way Marquis can pitch so badly that Rob Manfred steps in and rules that the first 3 wins are invalid, right?

[The Operator]

I didn't get to watch any of the spring games. Is this the same stuff from Marquis that Price was raving about?

Because if topping out at 88 mph and throwing straight fastballs is great, I may have to re-think my opinion of him as a great evaluator of pitchers.

[gilpdawg]

At least Jason Heyward appears to really suck (just like he did with the Braves). He has somehow now struck out twice against Marquis in this game, accounting for 33.3 percent of the Cards' outs.

Cardinals could end up really regretting that Shelby Miller trade. Heyward has never been good (and never will be IMO).

I don't quite understand why you would think that?

[Chuckie]

Thing is, Holmberg wouldn't do any better than Marquis. I bet he'd do worse. (And yes, that is sad.)

[Chip R]

Hey, Marquis got Fat Adams out which is more than most Reds pitchers did.

[BluegrassRedleg]

BP has hit the ball hard into several outs so far this season.

[Tom Servo]

I didn't get to watch any of the spring games. Is this the same stuff from Marquis that Price was raving about?

Because if topping out at 88 mph and throwing straight fastballs is great, I may have to re-think my opinion of him as a great evaluator of pitchers.
Yes. Same for Gregg. "Great stuff".

[gilpdawg]

Well...on the brightside. This is marquis only start, Bailey back next start. Wishful thinking?

Iglesias will be out.

[RedsLvr]

Not real impressed with this Byrd signing either....

Game 4.

[Chuckie]

Cozart with a weak flyout, swinging at the first pitch.

[KronoRed]

ALmost thankful that inning ended so fast, Thom was about to go on a diatribe about something.

[Tom Servo]

Thing is, Holmberg wouldn't do any better than Marquis. I bet he'd do worse. (And yes, that is sad.)
I doubt Holmberg gets the call if they pull the plug on Marquis, either Cingrani gets put back into the rotation or a Moscot/Lorenzen get the call.

[Chuckie]

Not real impressed with this Byrd signing either....

Yep, I was excited about him. He's looked borderline awful.

[wheels]

I'd get a guy stretching in the pen. There is no way I'd give these guys three cracks each at him.

[faffy42]

Iglesias will be out.

Hmmm...decisions been made already?

[Tom Servo]

Are we REALLY writing Byrd off after 3 games?

[Chuckie]

Did they say Marquis knew he needed Tommy John, but didn't tell his team 2 years ago at first (but told his entire family so they could see him pitch one last time), and then he told the team after the start? Did I hear that right?

And Doc Hollywood performed the surgery. So, I blame him for Marquis being bad. (Nevermind that Marquis was always bad. Just go with it.)

[villain612]

I'd get a guy stretching in the pen. There is no way I'd give these guys three cracks each at him.

I agree. It's still a 1 run game.

[Red Raindog]

Are we REALLY writing Byrd off after 4 games?

I'm not -- game 5 is my deadline ---

[wheels]

Adams should have killed that slop.

[KronoRed]

Are we REALLY writing Byrd off after 3 games?

Some of us wrote him off when he was a Phillie ;)

[cincrazy]

From what I'm seeing Marquis is topping out at 88 and bottoming out at about 80. That 8 mph difference in offerings is pretty terrible. He's not going to fool anyone.

[foxfire123]

Game 4.

Hey, I pray I'm wrong! PROVE me wrong Byrd! Please! :pray:

[Gandalf the Red]

Not sure Marquis is really proof positive of Dr. Kremcheck's magical surgical skills.

[wheels]

Did they say Marquis knew he needed Tommy John, but didn't tell his team 2 years ago at first (but told his entire family so they could see him pitch one last time), and then he told the team after the start? Did I hear that right?

And Doc Hollywood performed the surgery. So, I blame him for Marquis being bad. (Nevermind that Marquis was always bad. Just go with it.)

They love that feel good tripe.

[Tom Servo]

Thom: "2006 was a while ago now"

The year I registered on Redszone. :cry:

[gilpdawg]

Hmmm...decisions been made already?

That's what they are saying but I guess it could change.

[Red Raindog]

Great trick by the Reds -- sneaking someone into Marquis' jersey and running him out in the 3rd ----

[Larkin Fan]

A perfect frame for Marquis? Whoa.

[Magdal]

Isn't Lackey also the dude who divorced his wife who had breast cancer?That's what my friends at the Red Sox forum told me after the trade for Adam Craig.....they said he was a 1st class A-hole.

[NebraskaRed]

Hey, that wasn't awful. Marquis should try to do that again.

[wheels]

Thom: "2006 was a while ago now"

The year I registered on Redszone. :cry:

Quiet, youngin.

[Donder]

Are we REALLY writing Byrd off after 3 games?

Well we're writing off Marquis after 3 innings, so...

[Chuckie]

They love that feel good tripe.

No, I mean that would have been pretty shady on Marquis' part. Hide a serious injury from his team just so his family could see him pitch in case he could never pitch again? Then tell the team AFTER the game, "Hey, BTW, I think I need Tommy John surgery. And I knew it before the game."

[Chuckie]

Are we REALLY writing Byrd off after 3 games?

I'm definitely not writing him off. Just disappointed during this very small sample size.

[Red Raindog]

That's why Marquis is in the line up --- take that Leake!

[Tom Servo]

Can Marquis play shortstop?

[Chuckie]

OK, so now I see what the Reds saw in Marquis. Needed to add some offensive punch at the bottom of the lineup.

You guys just overlook these things.

[gilpdawg]

No, I mean that would have been pretty shady on Marquis' part. Hide a serious injury from his team just so his family could see him pitch in case he could never pitch again? Then tell the team AFTER the game, "Hey, BTW, I think I need Tommy John surgery. And I knew it before the game."

I thought they said he was pitching with the UCL tear for 2 years and it got to a point where he was done. In that timeframe I'm sure the team would have known.

[wheels]

No, I mean that would have been pretty shady on Marquis' part. Hide a serious injury from his team just so his family could see him pitch in case he could never pitch again? Then tell the team AFTER the game, "Hey, BTW, I think I need Tommy John surgery. And I knew it before the game."

Good point.

You have a great mind for conspiracy. I mean that as a compliment.

[Gandalf the Red]

A perfect frame for Marquis? Whoa.

Quick--send a hypnotist to the dugout to tell Marquis he's Tom Browning.

[Chuckie]

Votto again!

[Ironman92]

Thing is, that's measurable if someone wants to comb through game logs.

You can tally balks, wild pitches, rushed throws and the additional bases taken because of.....but the missed locations by the pitcher pitching and the number of more hittable pitches to try to keep him from stealing so easily.....just because Votto hits a HR or hits a line drive doesn't necessarily mean it was because BHam was making the pitcher nervous and also if Votto hits a 1-0 centered fastball into a double play on the flip side of things.

[villain612]

Haha.

I love Joey Votto.

[TheBurn]

Joey... u kiddin'? :clap:

[The Operator]

JOEY VOTTO!! This guy is good at baseball.

4-3 good guys!

[cincrazy]

Joey votto is all that is man. I just hope his power comes back

[Red Raindog]

where have all the walks gone? :cry:

[wheels]

Joey Votto is unreal.

[Larkin Fan]

Hey where is Captain Ron these days anyways?

[NebraskaRed]

This is the craziest game.

[RBA]

HE'S BACK!

[Chuckie]

Marquis > Lackey.

[Tom Servo]

Votto!!!!! :jump:

[dubc47834]

You think BP is still talkin...LOL

[villain612]

Joey Votto: angry mutterer to himself, and home run hitter

[wheels]

I am so giddy.

[Magdal]

Marquis might be an even better hitter than Leake. So if he lasts long enough to get an at bat there is that.In case some of you folks don't know it: he's a gifted athlete in the mold of Jackie Robinson and Bob Gibson. Plays all sports and picked baseball. He's generally regarded as the best athlete on every team he's been on.....by his team mates!


OH! Votto!!! :thumbup:

[dubc47834]

Hey where is Captain Ron these days anyways?

BANNED????

[KronoRed]

Rally killer.

[wheels]

Rocco needs to relax. He's grinding too hard.

[Larkin Fan]

BANNED????

no doubt. But I had to say it anyways.

[gilpdawg]

You can tally balks, wild pitches, rushed throws and the additional bases taken because of.....but the missed locations by the pitcher pitching and the number of more hittable pitches to try to keep him from stealing so easily.....just because Votto hits a HR or hits a line drive doesn't necessarily mean it was because BHam was making the pitcher nervous and also if Votto hits a 1-0 centered fastball into a double play on the flip side of things.

You could take the OPS or wRC+ of plate appearances with Hamilton on first and compare it with the league average with runners on first. With a large enough sample that would be useful data.

[The Operator]

Hey where is Captain Ron these days anyways?I have it on good authority he has left the building. And won't be coming back.

[Chip R]

Can Marquis play shortstop?

Or left field?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Well, this is fun. :thumbup:

[villain612]

Let's not waste a Votto multi homer game.

If Marquis keeps giving up runs, yank him.

[Ironman92]

Funny....as Votto is walking to the plate and they replay his oppo fence scraper she says "what are the odds he can do that again?"......I say if he gets that pitch he can because his legs are healthy......CRACK LOL.


I made her take it back.

[Gandalf the Red]

Cool. Now we just need two innings a piece from Cingrani, Diaz, and Chapman.

[wheels]

In case some of you folks don't know it: he's a gifted athlete in the mold of Jackie Robinson and Bob Gibson. Plays all sports and picked baseball. He's generally regarded as the best athlete on every team he's been on.....by his team mates!


OH! Votto!!! :thumbup:

"Jack of All Trades, Master of None" - Confuscious or Some Such

[Larkin Fan]

This season is starting better than his MVP season.

[Raisor]

I'm not a doctor but I think Votto's injury last year may have had something to do with how he played last year

[dubc47834]

I have it on good authority he has left the building. And won't be coming back.

He was entertaining...LOL

[NebraskaRed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs

I recorded some footage of Votto right after that home run.

[Rijo's Ghost]

In case some of you folks don't know it: he's a gifted athlete in the mold of Jackie Robinson and Bob Gibson. Plays all sports and picked baseball. He's generally regarded as the best athlete on every team he's been on.....by his team mates!


OH! Votto!!! :thumbup:
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/bust1.gif

[Chuckie]

Man, Molina has really cut down on the PEDs. I mean, er, has really lost a lot of weight.

[villain612]

I'm not a doctor but I think Votto's injury last year may have had something to do with how he played last year

Especially the games where he didn't play.

[dubc47834]

I'm not a doctor but I think Votto's injury last year may have had something to do with how he played last year

Noooooooo, you don't say!!!!

[cincrazy]

I'm not a doctor but I think Votto's injury last year may have had something to do with how he played last year

THANK GOD you're not a doctor. That's a terrifying thought.

[Chuckie]

Marquis finding his groove.

(OK, he's getting lucky. I still like it.)

[757690]

It's like Marquis and Lackey tonight are playing the worst game of "anything you can do, I can do better."

[RBA]

If this keeps up, can RedsZone not crash? JINX it?

[Ironman92]

You could take the OPS or wRC+ of plate appearances with Hamilton on first and compare it with the league average with runners on first. With a large enough sample that would be useful data.

Useful but also when he is on 2nd and no one on 3rd....or also with him on 3rd and the slight possibility of a steal and also a squeeze.

Whatever the number is....it's pivotal IMO

[cincrazy]

It's like Marquis and Lackey tonight are playing the worst game of "anything you can do, I can do better."

I can't believe in the year 2015 this is still a pitching matchup.

[Falls City Beer]

Votto is proving two things at once: the Reds needed his bat. And the Reds needed lefthanded power more than anything last year.

[dubc47834]

Marquis' follow thru reminds me of ol' David Weathers

[RBA]

9 in a row? Who is this guy?

[Red Raindog]

This guy wearing Marquis' uniform the last 2 innings has looked pretty good

[dubc47834]

Votto is proving two things at once: the Reds needed his bat. And the Reds needed lefthanded power more than anything last year.

Make that 3 things at once......

HE IS WORTH EVERY SINGLE PENNY

[Chuckie]

You can't even deal with that 79-MPH slider, son. Sit down.

And that fastball can touch 89. Don't forget about that, junior.

[NebraskaRed]

Derrick Goold ‏@dgoold 7m7 minutes ago
Help me out here -- home runs count as both being on base and an RBI, right? Votto is a mad genius. #Reds #Cardinals

[villain612]

Marquis retires 9 in a row...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nn1b6KANEc

[gilpdawg]

You know, other than the walks in the first and that hanger to Gricuk, Marquis looks not good, but somewhat not horrible either.

[Ironman92]

When Marquis gets in trouble and throws 79 mph he gets grounders/weak flies.....when he throws his fastball it gets hammered because 88 isn't fooling anyone.

[Larkin Fan]

I have it on good authority he has left the building. And won't be coming back.

Now, now. You know you're not supposed to confirm that. ;)

[gilpdawg]

Useful but also when he is on 2nd and no one on 3rd....or also with him on 3rd and the slight possibility of a steal and also a squeeze.

Whatever the number is....it's pivotal IMO

Yeah, but I didn't wanna type all that out. :)

[villain612]

Eat shift and die!

[Larry Schuler]

My Mlb.tv is stuck and keeps replaying Marquis' one non-terrible inning. Anyone else?