2015 NFL Draft (from the Windy City)

[Kingspoint]

Chargers are making a strong push towards resigning Rivers.

That leaves the #2 pick a two-horse race between the Eagles and Browns.

[Slyder]

Chargers are making a strong push towards resigning Rivers.

That leaves the #2 pick a two-horse race between the Eagles and Browns.

I still don't think either does it. As schitzo as Cleveland's FO is though it would not surprise me at all if they went through it. I just hope its with Oakland at 4 and they throw a first next year in for good measure so Oakland can have another top 5 pick next year.

In this era of NFL you MUST have a qb and except for Drew Brees every qb since Brad Johnson was drafted by their team that won.

[RedTeamGo!]

Browns have already offered picks 12 and 19 to the Titans. I think they will get it done.

[Kingspoint]

Browns have already offered picks 12 and 19 to the Titans. I think they will get it done.

Proposal by the Eagles could be....Mariota to the Eagles for elite and young players Brandon Boykin (#19 Cover CB out of 108 qualifiers per PFF), Mychal Kendricks (#6 ILB per PFF), Fletcher Cox (#5 3-4 DE per PFF), the #20, #52 from this season, and a 1st round pick next season. Cleveland can't come close to matching that, nor will they. Tennessee has more holes than almost any team in the NFL. To get three young pro bowlers and three high picks is the best deal. The only thing better would be Rivers, but he's not available.

[bucksfan2]

IMO its the Eagles for #2 or nobody. I think Kelly wants Mariotta in an irrational way and he will get the deal done.

[Slyder]

and if Ken Whisenhunt wants Sam Bradford to lead that Titans team over Marcus Mariotta.... He should go ahead resign and save Tennessee the trouble of firing him after they finish yet again in the top 5.

[Kingspoint]

and if Ken Whisenhunt wants Sam Bradford to lead that Titans team over Marcus Mariotta.... He should go ahead resign and save Tennessee the trouble of firing him after they finish yet again in the top 5.

They have one of, if not the, worst G.M.'s in the NFL. The player personnel isn't Whisenhut's fault.

[Kingspoint]

My Final Mock...

1. Tampa Bay....Winston
2. Philadelphia (via Tennessee)....Mariota
3. Tennessee (via Jacksonville via Philadelphia)....Cooper
4. Oakland....Williams
5. Atlanta (via Washington)....Fowler
6. NYJ....Beasley
7. Chicago....White
8. Jacksonville (via Atlanta via Washington via Philadelphia)....Gurley
9. NYG....Scherff
10. St. Louis....Parker
11. Minnesota....Waynes
12. Washington (via Cleveland via Philadelphia)....Peat
13. New Orleans....Flowers
14. Miami....Byron Jones
15. San Francisco....Gregory
16. Houston....Ray
17. San Diego....Fisher
18. Kansas City....Agholor
19. Cleveland....Shelton
20. Tennessee (via Philadelphia)....DuPree
21. Cincinnati....Malcolm Brown
22. Pittsburgh....Kevin Johnson
23. Detroit....Clemmings
24. Arizona....Kendricks
25. Carolina....Erving
26. Baltimore....Perriman
27. Dallas....Rowe
28. Denver....Randall
29. Indy....Humphries
30. Green Bay....Phillips
31. New Orleans....Shaq Thompson
32. New England....Jalen Collins

[Kingspoint]

And, here it comes....(btw, nobody gets news on the NFL and gets it more accurately than LaCanfora).

Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports the Eagles have made the Titans a "very substantial offer" for the No. 2 overall pick.

Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter


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Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora ·

Been reporting for several weeks that a Mariota trade could still happen after TEN takes him. Chip Kelly's offer wouldn't go away

[Kingspoint]

Now that Winston has been taken, the draft can begin.

[Kingspoint]

Tennessee isn't keeping Mariota.

[Kingspoint]

So far...

1. Tampa Bay, QB Jameis Winston
2. Tennessee, QB Marcus Mariota (no rumored trade to be made, yet)
3. Jacksonville, EDGE Dante Fowler, Jr.
4. Oakland, WR Amari Cooper
5. Washington, OT Scherff
6. NYJets, DT Leonard Williams

[Kingspoint]

That's crazy about the Jets. They already have two of the three best DT's in the NFL and now they get Williams. There's no Offensive Line that can block these guys.

[The DARK]

Seems like people are going to reach for O-Linemen. I have to imagine we go DT here instead.

[Kingspoint]

Seems like people are going to reach for O-Linemen. I have to imagine we go DT here instead.

It's playing out that we get DT Malcom Brown.

[The DARK]

I sure hope so. He was one of my favorite DTs in the draft after looking at the tape, and Geno has needed a real partner in crime for the longest time.

[WrongVerb]

I sure hope so. He was one of my favorite DTs in the draft after looking at the tape, and Geno has needed a real partner in crime for the longest time.

I'm a fan too.

[WVRed]

I'm hoping for Bud Dupree. Looks like either may happen.

[The DARK]

We've got a fantastic set of options here, all of them at positions of need. I feel good as long as we don't reach.

[Dom Heffner]

We've got a fantastic set of options here, all of them at positions of need. I feel good as long as we don't reach.

A lot of teams reached, good lord the Falcons should have traded down.

[Dom Heffner]

What?

[WrongVerb]

What?

I like the player, but not above a DT or other OTs on the board (Clemmings, Humphries)

[Dom Heffner]

Is Walt Jocketty drafting?

[wolfboy]

Is Walt Jocketty drafting?

The clock would have expired.

[The DARK]

Cedric Ogbuehi- Texas A&M OT. Injured this past year, but not having to play right away makes him a better pick than he might seem at first. Upper first round upside.

Doesn't seem like maximum value, but grooming a replacement for Whit/Smith is a disciplined move, and he's a good fit.

[WVRed]

And Bud Dupree goes to the Steelers. I feel like I could throw up.

[wolfboy]

Cedric Ogbuehi- Texas A&M OT. Injured this past year, but not having to play right away makes him a better pick than he might seem at first. Upper first round upside.

Doesn't seem like maximum value, but grooming a replacement for Whit/Smith is a disciplined move, and he's a good fit.

With the injury it's a bigger risk than I'd want for a first rounder. It's a surprising pick, but it ain't Sean Brewer.

[Dom Heffner]

Last in sacks, you get a defensive player...

What a freaking waste of a pick.

As usual, the Steelers take who we should have.

[wolfboy]

Last in sacks, you get a defensive player...

What a freaking waste of a pick.

As usual, the Steelers take who we should have.

He was a consensus top 10 pick without the injury and it's unquestionably a position of need. Let's wait a few years until we call it a waste of a pick.

[WVRed]

He was a consensus top 10 pick without the injury and it's unquestionably a position of need. Let's wait a few years until we call it a waste of a pick.

It's basically punting away a pick, and I was high on Dupree.

Even less happy we get to face him twice a year in a retooling Steeler defense.

[Stray]

Last in sacks, you get a defensive player...

What a freaking waste of a pick.

As usual, the Steelers take who we should have.

I think Bud Dupree will be great for the Steelers, but I don't think he'd have fit in very well with what we do here.

[WVRed]

Ravens get better too. Perriman is the perfect replacement for Torrey Smith.

[Stray]

With the injury it's a bigger risk than I'd want for a first rounder. It's a surprising pick, but it ain't Sean Brewer.

Eh I'm sure they looked into it, and ACL injuries aren't that big of a deal anymore. Guys come back just as good as ever regularly.

[Dom Heffner]

It's basically punting away a pick, and I was high on Dupree.

Even less happy we get to face him twice a year in a retooling Steeler defense.

Yep. You take the freak and you get the most value for your slot.

[WrongVerb]

People get way too emotionally invested in this stuff.

It's. Just. A. Game.

[wolfboy]

Eh I'm sure they looked into it, and ACL injuries aren't that big of a deal anymore. Guys come back just as good as ever regularly.

You're right. But hard to argue that it's not a gamble on their part. I'd feel better about the pick if they snagged him in the 2nd round, but I'm not that upset. They have one of the best OL coaches around who hasn't gotten it wrong many times.

[wolfboy]

I'll also add that an ACL injury might not be that big of a deal overall these days. But for an offensive lineman trying to lead the run game in the trenches of the AFC North in December or January, it might be a big deal.

[Dom Heffner]

I think Bud Dupree will be great for the Steelers, but I don't think he'd have fit in very well with what we do here.

They made a pick for year after next, burning one year of a contract...I'm not a fan of the stash.

[Stray]

They made a pick for year after next, burning one year of a contract...I'm not a fan of the stash.

Pick was based heavily on the future, which btw I have no problems with, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't play this year...somewhere on the line.

With Whitworth getting older and Andre Smith being injury prone/last year of deal, the Bengals went and drafted their favorite OT in this draft. With their recent track record, I'll trust that they evaluated him well and had good reason for having him as their guy all along.

[Stray]

Bengals also have 6 picks in this first 4 rounds, and there's a lot of talent in this year's draft. There's still plenty of chances for exciting picks.

[wolfboy]

Pick was based heavily on the future, which btw I have no problems with, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't play this year...somewhere on the line.

With Whitworth getting older and Andre Smith being injury prone/last year of deal, the Bengals went and drafted their favorite OT in this draft. With their recent track record, I'll trust that they evaluated him well and had good reason for having him as their guy all along.

My questions don't relate to his injury as much as the system he played in, and whether that fits well in the AFC North type of football. But I'm just some dolt on a couch; and, as you mentioned, these guys have given me enough of a reason to trust them (did I just say that about the Bengals?).

[Kingspoint]

Eh I'm sure they looked into it, and ACL injuries aren't that big of a deal anymore. Guys come back just as good as ever regularly.
It has nothing to do with the ACL injury. 3% of all players with ACL injuries have 2nd ones. It's almost a minor issue. Chronic back issues in a 22-year old that are bad enough that he couldn't practice all year between games is a major issue. The Bengals' medical team has proven to be incompetent and it was purely on their recommendation that this pick was made.

Using first round picks on medical risks and character risks is a recipe for disaster for a franchise that refuses to use free agency to obtain good players.

This pick was an "F-" and pisses me off. I would rather have any of the next 50 players than this pick. We'll get to watch a hundred players taken after him have better careers.

[Kingspoint]

Bengals also have 6 picks in this first 4 rounds, and there's a lot of talent in this year's draft. There's still plenty of chances for exciting picks.
But, not to get a DT like Malcom Brown, or a Safety as good as Randall, or a MLB as good as Kendricks, or a WR as good as Perriman, or an OT as good and RELIABLE as Fisher, or four dozen other players who will be more productive during their rookie contracts.

[Kingspoint]

People get way too emotionally invested in this stuff.

It's. Just. A. Game.
Never disparage other people's passions. It's arrogant to suggest you know more than someone else about what's important enough to care about. If we went that route, then one could argue that every post you've made here could have been time spent helping the poor. Nobody should tell someone what is important and what isn't.

[cincrazy]

I'm not crazy about that pick, but to be honest Marvin Lewis and Co. have a pretty good track record when it comes to the draft, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. A lot of people are upset Bud Dupree wasn't picked, but I feel that has more to do with the fact that he's a UK player. Physically he seems fantastic, but I'm not sure he was consistent enough in college for my tastes. Malcolm Brown would've been nice, but I'm sure they'll get a tackle a bit later on, and if they truly think Cedric is a top 10 pick without the knee injury, then they made the right decision in drafting him.

[cinredsfan2000]

Scratching my head trying to figure the Colts logic in selecting another W.R. in Phillip Dorsett they need O.l. help or perhaps another R.B. as a change of pace for gore .Seems another W.R. is an unneeded luxury.

[Stray]

It has nothing to do with the ACL injury. 3% of all players with ACL injuries have 2nd ones. It's almost a minor issue. Chronic back issues in a 22-year old that are bad enough that he couldn't practice all year between games is a major issue. The Bengals' medical team has proven to be incompetent and it was purely on their recommendation that this pick was made.

Using first round picks on medical risks and character risks is a recipe for disaster for a franchise that refuses to use free agency to obtain good players.

This pick was an "F-" and pisses me off. I would rather have any of the next 50 players than this pick. We'll get to watch a hundred players taken after him have better careers.

I guess I'm to the point now where I trust Marvin Lewis' ability to draft players. We're not immune to terrible picks by any means, but he hasn't missed often. When they say this is the guy they wanted all along, I'm happy we were able to get him. Grading the pick one way or the other seems silly until at least a couple of years have passed and we see what we have in him. The Bengals were absolutely gushing about the guy. We don't need an OT right away, but we all know that we are going to need an OT in the near future.

And ML has shown the ability to consistently get impact players after the first round. With as much talent that's left, and all of the picks we have left, I think we're in a great spot.

[WVRed]

I'm not crazy about that pick, but to be honest Marvin Lewis and Co. have a pretty good track record when it comes to the draft, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. A lot of people are upset Bud Dupree wasn't picked, but I feel that has more to do with the fact that he's a UK player. Physically he seems fantastic, but I'm not sure he was consistent enough in college for my tastes. Malcolm Brown would've been nice, but I'm sure they'll get a tackle a bit later on, and if they truly think Cedric is a top 10 pick without the knee injury, then they made the right decision in drafting him.

Playing for UK is a bonus, but I'd feel the same way if he played for Ohio State.

He's a physical freak who plays at a position the Bengals needed help at just as much.

I agree with Dom. The Bengals aren't in a luxury where they can do a draft and stash. They need someone who can come in and make an impact THIS year and they failed.

[KoryMac5]

I would have liked the Wide Out at this pick. I hate the idea of a stash pick but with our injury history this kid may play. Not really concerned about the back, the only site I saw any concerns about the back were on Rotoworld. Plus he did pass his draft physical which is pretty intense. Personally I would have taken Green Beckham or the kid from ASU Strong however Bengals could get these guys in round 2. I will see how things play out tonight.

[Beltway]

It amuses me that so many people predicted that Shane Ray's marijuana citation would drop him to the third or fourth round, yet he still goes comfortably in the first round. If he was caught with meth I could understand, but pot? Drug moralizers are out of touch with reality.

[wolfboy]

Never disparage other people's passions. It's arrogant to suggest you know more than someone else about what's important enough to care about. If we went that route, then one could argue that every post you've made here could have been time spent helping the poor. Nobody should tell someone what is important and what isn't.

It's. Just. A. Game.

[Stray]

Playing for UK is a bonus, but I'd feel the same way if he played for Ohio State.

He's a physical freak who plays at a position the Bengals needed help at just as much.

I agree with Dom. The Bengals aren't in a luxury where they can do a draft and stash. They need someone who can come in and make an impact THIS year and they failed.

What position does Dupree play that he's an immediate impact player for the Bengals?

DE and he's behind Dunlap and Johnson. Also pretty small to play DE in the AFCN
OLB? Not great in coverage.

He can make an immediate impact as a pass rushing OLB for the Steelers because of their defense. He'd have been out of place on the Bengals.

[Tom Servo]

Wonder if the Eagles are going to try and grab Hundley today.

[WrongVerb]

It amuses me that so many people predicted that Shane Ray's marijuana citation would drop him to the third or fourth round, yet he still goes comfortably in the first round. If he was caught with meth I could understand, but pot? Drug moralizers are out of touch with reality.

And Denver traded up to get him. AND he gets to go to one of two states where he won't have to worry about the law. (Of course he'll still be subject to NFL drug policy)

[Hillsdale87]

Wonder if the Eagles are going to try and grab Hundley today.

I hadn't thought of that, but that would certainly be a great spot for him. It's a good system for him, and what he really needs is reps, and the Eagles get their backups more reps than any team in the league.

Could he beat out Tebow? :)

[Hillsdale87]

I didn't love the pick last night, but I don't think it was a bad one. I think he'll probably be a very good player. However, if I was the Bengals, I would have approached this draft with a much higher risk tolerance instead of taking a reasoned, long term approach, even though that has a much higher chance of being successful.

The Bengals seem to be stuck in a place where they're pretty good, but Dalton surrounded by a really good cast isn't enough to get it done. And they don't really have any glaring holes. There are no positions on the roster that absolutely must be upgraded. They need to catch lightning in a bottle, and get some dynamic playmakers. But based on where they draft, they need to take risks. I would have liked to see them take Shane Ray, and I hope they're at least looking at DGB if he's there in round 2 (I'm a little more hesitant about DGB based on the DV accusation, but I haven't followed it too closely). I think they need to be willing to completely strike out in the hopes of getting a potential star, especially because the guy they ended up getting was more a luxury than a specific need. If he ends up being a whiff, there are already 2 solid guys ahead of him.

[RiverRat13]

The Bengals seem to be stuck in a place where they're pretty good, but Dalton surrounded by a really good cast isn't enough to get it done. And they don't really have any glaring holes. There are no positions on the roster that absolutely must be upgraded. .

I would argue LB is a glaring hole but I get that there wasn't anyone at #21 worth taking. The entire defense ranked #23rd and had 20 total sacks, so I would say pass rusher is a glaring hole. Johnson back should help, but he's still only had one double-digit sack season so I don't think he alone is anywhere near a solution.

[Benihana]

I didn't love the pick last night, but I don't think it was a bad one. I think he'll probably be a very good player. However, if I was the Bengals, I would have approached this draft with a much higher risk tolerance instead of taking a reasoned, long term approach, even though that has a much higher chance of being successful.

The Bengals seem to be stuck in a place where they're pretty good, but Dalton surrounded by a really good cast isn't enough to get it done. And they don't really have any glaring holes. There are no positions on the roster that absolutely must be upgraded. They need to catch lightning in a bottle, and get some dynamic playmakers. But based on where they draft, they need to take risks. I would have liked to see them take Shane Ray, and I hope they're at least looking at DGB if he's there in round 2 (I'm a little more hesitant about DGB based on the DV accusation, but I haven't followed it too closely). I think they need to be willing to completely strike out in the hopes of getting a potential star, especially because the guy they ended up getting was more a luxury than a specific need. If he ends up being a whiff, there are already 2 solid guys ahead of him.

Totally agree. They need to go for upside not "depth replacements". Otherwise, they'll never get to the next level- it will just be more of the same.

[Stray]

I didn't love the pick last night, but I don't think it was a bad one. I think he'll probably be a very good player. However, if I was the Bengals, I would have approached this draft with a much higher risk tolerance instead of taking a reasoned, long term approach, even though that has a much higher chance of being successful.

The Bengals seem to be stuck in a place where they're pretty good, but Dalton surrounded by a really good cast isn't enough to get it done. And they don't really have any glaring holes. There are no positions on the roster that absolutely must be upgraded. They need to catch lightning in a bottle, and get some dynamic playmakers. But based on where they draft, they need to take risks. I would have liked to see them take Shane Ray, and I hope they're at least looking at DGB if he's there in round 2 (I'm a little more hesitant about DGB based on the DV accusation, but I haven't followed it too closely). I think they need to be willing to completely strike out in the hopes of getting a potential star, especially because the guy they ended up getting was more a luxury than a specific need. If he ends up being a whiff, there are already 2 solid guys ahead of him.

The addition of Jeremy Hill last year was huge, but unfortunately half the team was hurt by the end of the year.

Without Jones and Eifert for the entire year, Green for some of it, Gresham by the end of it and then missing all we were on defense, we were a gutted team last year. That we even made the playoffs says a lot about Marvin's ability to coach and build depth in the organization.

I agree we don't have any glaring holes that need to be filled. The one way to make this team a lot better is to find an elite QB somewhere, but that isn't gonna happen. I'm just hoping that we can make it through this upcoming season relatively healthy so we have a better chance to beat good teams when it matters.

Jeremy Hill made us a lot better. I want to see how good we are with him and a healthy receiving group. Especially Eifert and Jones.

[Hillsdale87]

I would argue LB is a glaring hole but I get that there wasn't anyone at #21 worth taking. The entire defense ranked #23rd and had 20 total sacks, so I would say pass rusher is a glaring hole. Johnson back should help, but he's still only had one double-digit sack season so I don't think he alone is anywhere near a solution.

Pass rusher is a hole, but Michael Johnson is almost certain to start over anybody that would get drafted at #21. It will be interesting to see what Margus Hunt can do this year as well, but he shouldn't keep the Bengals from drafting anybody. It should be interesting to see who they go after today

[RiverRat13]

Jeremy Hill made us a lot better. I want to see how good we are with him and a healthy receiving group. Especially Eifert and Jones.

I suspect the Bengals will be better but will take a step back in the W/L department thanks to trading the AFC/NFC South for the AFC/NFC West on the schedule.

[Stray]

I suspect the Bengals will be better but will take a step back in the W/L department thanks to trading the AFC/NFC South for the AFC/NFC West on the schedule.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if 10 wins takes the division outright this year.

[Hillsdale87]

If Jake Fisher is still there when the Bengals pick at 53, yesterday's selection will be very frustrating... I don't think anybody expected Fisher to fall this far, but it would have been great to get a DE or LB in Round 1 and a solid lineman in Round 2

[WVRed]

If Jake Fisher is still there when the Bengals pick at 53, yesterday's selection will be very frustrating... I don't think anybody expected Fisher to fall this far, but it would have been great to get a DE or LB in Round 1 and a solid lineman in Round 2

If Ifs and buts were candy and nuts....

[Hillsdale87]

If Ifs and buts were candy and nuts....

True. Hindsight is 20/20.

[wolfboy]

If Jake Fisher is still there when the Bengals pick at 53, yesterday's selection will be very frustrating... I don't think anybody expected Fisher to fall this far, but it would have been great to get a DE or LB in Round 1 and a solid lineman in Round 2

Well.

[Hillsdale87]

Well.

Yea. Very interesting...

[KoryMac5]

We may have 2 new starting tackles come 2016. I thought it would be Lockett. BTW Ickey Woods is still awesome!

[Tony Cloninger]

I wanted Brown from Texas yesterday. Who knew this guy would fall that far though.

[Hillsdale87]

At this point I'm expecting the Bengals to pick up La'el Collins in a few rounds. Apparently can't have enough talent at Tackle!

[Stray]

Stockpiling offensive linemen ay.

[KoryMac5]

The Steelers having a nice draft so far, restocking at positions of need.

[Revering4Blue]

Scratching my head trying to figure the Colts logic in selecting another W.R. in Phillip Dorsett they need O.l. help or perhaps another R.B. as a change of pace for gore .Seems another W.R. is an unneeded luxury.
Apparently, Dorsett will be groomed as Hilton's -he's a free agent after this year - eventual replacement. Personally, and not just because I'm an IU fan, I'd have gone with Tevin Coleman there, as Gore isn't getting any younger. That said, value wise, Dorsett is a great pick, but, IMO, his opportunities, other than returning kicks, to contribute this year will be limited. A RB or OL, as you stated, would provide more immediate help.

[WVRed]

Tyler Kroft, TE from Rutgers with the first pick in the third round.

Interesting.

[Sea Ray]

The Steelers having a nice draft so far, restocking at positions of need.

They can draft 5'8" corners all day long if they want. How is he going to cover our big WRs and TEs? Specifically how would he cover a 6'5" TE like Kroft?

[RedTeamGo!]

Did I read correctly that Kroft did not catch one touchdown in college? How does that happen?

[Hillsdale87]

Did I read correctly that Kroft did not catch one touchdown in college? How does that happen?

It happens when you play for Rutgers... He played hurt this year as well and has always had bad QB play.

He looks to be pretty fast and athletic. I saw his NFL comparison listed as Travis Kelce, and if he could be anything close to that it would be great

[GAC]

It amuses me that so many people predicted that Shane Ray's marijuana citation would drop him to the third or fourth round, yet he still goes comfortably in the first round. If he was caught with meth I could understand, but pot? Drug moralizers are out of touch with reality.

Josh Gordon says "Hi" :wave: ..... or "high" (whichever one prefers)

[Stray]

Bengals got an A+ draft grade from this guy.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488925/article/2015-nfl-draft-final-quicksnap-grades-for-afc-north-teams

[redsfanmia]

Bengals got an A+ draft grade from this guy.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488925/article/2015-nfl-draft-final-quicksnap-grades-for-afc-north-teams
I'm sure it's been done but it would be interesting to see the reality of draft grades 3 years later.

[RedTeamGo!]

It amuses me that so many people predicted that Shane Ray's marijuana citation would drop him to the third or fourth round, yet he still goes comfortably in the first round. If he was caught with meth I could understand, but pot? Drug moralizers are out of touch with reality.

It has nothing to do with morals. The penalties for failing marijuana drug tests in the NFL are very severe. As a result, players that fail drug tests or get pulled over with bags of weed are expected to fall in the draft. It is 100% business oriented.

Rey was originally supposed to be a top 10 pick (some even said top 5) and ended up dropping to late first round.

Randy Gregory who was originally mocked as a top 5 pick dropped to mid 2nd round for failing a drug test during the combine. NFL teams do not care about morality. They want you to do two things - play well and stay on the field.

[Joseph]

I like my Raider's choice of Cooper. Carr needs someone to throw to and it could be quite a tandem.

[Slyder]

I like my Raider's choice of Cooper. Carr needs someone to throw to and it could be quite a tandem.

It wasn't a question for me what position. It was whether you wanted potential or polish. With Cooper you get a guy Day 1 ready to compete for that main spot. The pick that is going to ultimately decide this draft's fate is going to be what happened Day 2. Clive Walford and Mario Edwards, JR. A pass catching TE is a young QBs best friend, now Oakland has 2 (Rivera and Walford).

Edwards seems to be a real polarizing athlete. Either he was an absolute steal or a reach for an athlete. If he's the former the Raiders have their base DE for the next decade, if he's the later this is probably McKenzie's last draft as Oakland GM.

[GAC]

I don't have any huge issues with the Brown's draft. It definitely wasn't a flashy draft, but it was definitely all Ray Framer (no owner interference) whose plan was to bolster the offensive and defensive lines (especially improve our run D). I like the picks of Shelton and Erving.

Not much on the offensive side (RB, a couple TEs, and a WR), but I like the selection of WR Mayle. Most scouting reports I read said they were surprised he went so far down in the draft. With a huge question mark at QB, it's obvious this team is going to, once again, emphasize defense and clock management (running the ball), and more controlled/intermediate passing.

[Sea Ray]

It has nothing to do with morals. The penalties for failing marijuana drug tests in the NFL are very severe. As a result, players that fail drug tests or get pulled over with bags of weed are expected to fall in the draft. It is 100% business oriented.

Rey was originally supposed to be a top 10 pick (some even said top 5) and ended up dropping to late first round.

Randy Gregory who was originally mocked as a top 5 pick dropped to mid 2nd round for failing a drug test during the combine. NFL teams do not care about morality. They want you to do two things - play well and stay on the field.

It was more than weed that dropped Randy Gregory. It was his being 90 mins late for a meeting at the combine. If you're 90 mins late to a job interview, it'll hurt you

[RedTeamGo!]

It was more than weed that dropped Randy Gregory. It was his being 90 mins late for a meeting at the combine. If you're 90 mins late to a job interview, it'll hurt you

Agreed, it was the total untrustworthy package. The point remains - the NFL wants you to do two things - play well and stay on the field.

[GAC]

It was more than weed that dropped Randy Gregory. It was his being 90 mins late for a meeting at the combine. If you're 90 mins late to a job interview, it'll hurt you

He was in the Windy City.... he had a hard time keeping the bowl lit. :evil:

[Kingspoint]

I don't have any huge issues with the Brown's draft. It definitely wasn't a flashy draft, but it was definitely all Ray Framer (no owner interference) whose plan was to bolster the offensive and defensive lines (especially improve our run D). I like the picks of Shelton and Erving.

Not much on the offensive side (RB, a couple TEs, and a WR), but I like the selection of WR Mayle. Most scouting reports I read said they were surprised he went so far down in the draft. With a huge question mark at QB, it's obvious this team is going to, once again, emphasize defense and clock management (running the ball), and more controlled/intermediate passing.

They got a steal in Ifo Ekpre-Olomu at CB in the 7th Round.

[Kingspoint]

I guess I'm to the point now where I trust Marvin Lewis' ability to draft players. We're not immune to terrible picks by any means, but he hasn't missed often. When they say this is the guy they wanted all along, I'm happy we were able to get him. Grading the pick one way or the other seems silly until at least a couple of years have passed and we see what we have in him. The Bengals were absolutely gushing about the guy. We don't need an OT right away, but we all know that we are going to need an OT in the near future.

And ML has shown the ability to consistently get impact players after the first round. With as much talent that's left, and all of the picks we have left, I think we're in a great spot.

I don't think Marvin Lewis has anything at all to do with who we select and who we don't. I do think he had a lot of influence before Tobin was made head of the scouting department about six years ago and Tobin's staff was doubled from 2 to 4 scouts (still....any by a large number....the smallest scouting department in the NFL). Marvin proved before this happened that he was clueless on evaluating draftable players and identifying who can help his team and who can't.

Tobin and his staff are as good as it gets. When Marvin was removed from the equation, that's when the Bengals began having great drafts.

[Kingspoint]

No better time to assess a past draft than when getting ready for a new one.


So Stanley Wilson was naked again in someone's house he didn't know.

Whitworth wants to sign with a franchise that can win playoff games.

Bengals willing to waste another 1st Rd pick (Ogbuehi was a waste. Dre was a waste.) letting Zeitler go as he fulfills his potential. If your Center is average or worse, both Guards need to be above average. Boling regressed last year after signing a new contract. They picked the wrong one. But go ahead and waste money year after year on Peko, Dre, Hunt, Maualuga and MJ.

How'd that in-house O.C. promotion work out? Can't believe they are sticking with the Marvin/Zampese duo again.

6-10 again.

[WrongVerb]

Letting Zeitler go will be the worst decision this team has made in a long time.

[WVRed]

No better time to assess a past draft than when getting ready for a new one.


So Stanley Wilson was naked again in someone's house he didn't know.

Whitworth wants to sign with a franchise that can win playoff games.

Bengals willing to waste another 1st Rd pick (Ogbuehi was a waste. Dre was a waste.) letting Zeitler go as he fulfills his potential. If your Center is average or worse, both Guards need to be above average. Boling regressed last year after signing a new contract. They picked the wrong one. But go ahead and waste money year after year on Peko, Dre, Hunt, Maualuga and MJ.

How'd that in-house O.C. promotion work out? Can't believe they are sticking with the Marvin/Zampese duo again.

6-10 again.

I understand everything else, but what does Stanley Wilson have to do with the price of tea in China?

[WrongVerb]

I understand everything else, but what does Stanley Wilson have to do with the price of tea in China?

Not sure if this is what he meant, but if the Bengals were considering drafting Dalvin Cook (http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017rumors4.php), Wilson's behavior should be a reminder to stay far, far away.


The combine interviews and pre-draft visits are going to be very important for Dalvin Cook. There are some minor off-the-field concerns regarding Cook; not so much with his character, but the company he keeps. Cook is said to have an entourage that has some real thugs. These friends have teams worried that it could be dangerous for Cook to continue hanging around them. Teams are concerned that Cook drinks a heavy amount and could have some challenges with his focus from having multiple kids with multiple women. They think that leaving the state of Florida would be good for Cook's long-term career and could help him to focus on becoming a professional.

However, some team sources are worried the entourage will follow Cook wherever he goes, as that was the case at Florida State. Thus, it would help Cook to go to a team with established leadership in the locker room that can help steer him in the right direction.

[Kingspoint]

I understand everything else, but what does Stanley Wilson have to do with the price of tea in China?

Just a sad story. While waiting trial for other offences, and having been given probation for his last naked-and-high-in-a-stranger's house from last year, he goes and does it again. Should get 72 months in the Oregon State Pen this time with all of the parole violations and new charges.

On another note, this year's free agency class is the weakest I've ever seen (with the exception of a very deep Safety class). Teams will value draft picks highly and the Bengals will have a plethora of them. They could fix a few holes by trading picks for players, but that would require ownership to change it's philosophy. Looks like the Dalton era will come and go without a playoff victory. The McCarron era will have to get it done. By then, Marvin should finally be gone.

[WVRed]

Just a sad story. While waiting trial for other offences, and having been given probation for his last naked-and-high-in-a-stranger's house from last year, he goes and does it again. Should get 72 months in the Oregon State Pen this time with all of the parole violations and new charges.

On another note, this year's free agency class is the weakest I've ever seen. Teams will value draft picks highly and he Bengals will have a plethira of them. They could fix a few holes by trading picks for players, but hat would require ownership to change it's philosophy. Looks like the Dalton era will come and go without a playoff victory. The McCarron era will have to get it done. By then, Marvin should finally be gone.

I meant what did it have to do with the Bengals? Everything else was Bengals related, lol.

[Kingspoint]

I meant what did it have to do with the Bengals? Everything else was Bengals related, lol.Nothing with the current Bengals, but I'm pretty sure Mike Brown feels a pang every time he's reminded of Wilson's no-show at the Super Bowl.

[Kingspoint]

It's sad to think that we'll resign Dre for probably only a few million less per season than Zeitler will get. Letting Dre go doesn't open up a hole, but letting Zeitler go prevents Fisher from playing either tackle position as he'll take that spot, most likely. Ogbuehi became what was expected...a bust. So we have to waste another high pick on an OT while they continue to give Ogbuehi starts he hasn't earned. The O-Line is a mess. Our 1st Rd will generate a great complement to Green, but Dalton will face constant pressure. We have no Runningbacks worth a darn as Gio won't be ready to get back to a healthy version of himself until 2018. Hill won't stop dancing. Burkhead is the #4 FA RB, so Brown won't win that bid. Adam Jones has finally lost the quality in his play. We have a clueless O.C. and even more clueless HC.

Mike Brown wants that 2018 3rd Rd pick for Zeitler over an almost guaranteed player who would likely be the Line's best player over the next five years as several teams should offer Whitworth more than Brown will.

[ScotlandRed]

Just a sad story. While waiting trial for other offences, and having been given probation for his last naked-and-high-in-a-stranger's house from last year, he goes and does it again. Should get 72 months in the Oregon State Pen this time with all of the parole violations and new charges.

On another note, this year's free agency class is the weakest I've ever seen. Teams will value draft picks highly and the Bengals will have a plethora of them. They could fix a few holes by trading picks for players, but that would require ownership to change it's philosophy. Looks like the Dalton era will come and go without a playoff victory. The McCarron era will have to get it done. By then, Marvin should finally be gone.

Don't know about anyone else but I can't see AJ McCarron being the Bengals next playoff QB. I think it's either Dalton or someone not currently on the roster. I think McCarron is traded.

[Kingspoint]

Don't know about anyone else but I can't see AJ McCarron being the Bengals next playoff QB. I think it's either Dalton or someone not currently on the roster. I think McCarron is traded.I think they can get more in trade next season than this one. Probably a 3rd this year, but a 2nd next year. Meanwhile, they have him cheaply for one more season. They can attach a tender to him in 018 while he remains an RFA. As an RFA, the Bengals can either match any offer or trade him and those rights to a team who can/ wants to, or take the tendered pick and let him go. While waiting, he has a chance to earn playing time when Dalton goes down (and he will) and improve his stock, possibly convincing the Bengals to keep him or another team to offer a future 1st Rounder for him. It behooves the Bengals to be patient and wait,...the strength of Mike Brown.

[ScotlandRed]

I think they can get more in trade next season than this one. Probably a 3rd this year, but a 2nd next year. Meanwhile, they have him cheaply for one more season. They can attach a tender to him in 018 while he remains an RFA. As an RFA, the Bengals can either match any offer or trade him and those rights to a team who can/ wants to, or take the tendered pick and let him go. While waiting, he has a chance to earn playing time when Dalton goes down (and he will) and improve his stock, possibly convincing the Bengals to keep him or another team to offer a future 1st Rounder for him. It behooves the Bengals to be patient and wait,...the strength of Mike Brown.

What makes you so certain Dalton will go down? You mean by injury? Has he had any injury issues bar 2016?

[Kingspoint]

What makes you so certain Dalton will go down? You mean by injury? Has he had any injury issues bar 2016?

I'm sure because I think Zeitler and/or Whitworth will be gone. Without those two, pressure will be coming from 7 directions every play and it's a matter of if, not when, Dalton gets clobbered so badly for the umpteenth time that he won't be able to answer the bell.

[Kingspoint]

To get away from the absolutes, could Dalton survive without Whitworth and/or Zeitler? Yes. Because his average time to throw over his career has been about 2.26 seconds, better than any current QB in the game right now, he could try to find success the way Brady has with a makeshift O-Line every year. But, that would also require a change in personnel and Offensive philosophy. Dalton throws the normal route tree. Brady specializes in in-and-out routes, hitches and comebacks. They are deisgned for yards after the catch and perfectly timed throws. Nobody throws those better than Brady. Any yahoo can give him enough time to make those throws. His personnel are designed to run these routes (Welker, Amendola, White, Edelman, James, etc.). Patriots draft quick and elusive Receivers who can all double as Punt Returners. Bengals draft big Receivers. Major philosophy changes would have to take place for Dalton to find success throwing the same routes Brady does. Dalton needs a clean pocket. Ogbuehi can't give him a clean pocket and if Whitworth leaves, they would be best to move Boling over to LT than to let Ogbuehi start there for any games. I guarantee he'll give up pressures on at least a third of his pass-protects that first game he does. Dalton will spend all day in panic mode and that doesn't even account for Bodine's miscues, Boling's (who had a down year after signing his contract in 2016), whoever is at RT, whoever is at RG if Zeitler is gone, and whoever stays back to block in a 12-personnel or whoever Hill is supposed to block.

[JaxRed]

Jaguars are rumored to be all over Zeitler if he comes available.

[Sea Ray]

I think they can get more in trade next season than this one. Probably a 3rd this year, but a 2nd next year. Meanwhile, they have him cheaply for one more season. They can attach a tender to him in 018 while he remains an RFA. As an RFA, the Bengals can either match any offer or trade him and those rights to a team who can/ wants to, or take the tendered pick and let him go. While waiting, he has a chance to earn playing time when Dalton goes down (and he will) and improve his stock, possibly convincing the Bengals to keep him or another team to offer a future 1st Rounder for him. It behooves the Bengals to be patient and wait,...the strength of Mike Brown.

McCarron has no trade value next year. None. As you say, he's a FA. He'll either leave as a FA or he'll start here 'cause we'll be forced to match an offer that's starter money

[Kingspoint]

At this point I'm expecting the Bengals to pick up La'el Collins in a few rounds. Apparently can't have enough talent at Tackle!

If only....

[Hillsdale87]

If only....

Ha. That's a deep find. If only they'd taken him instead of Fisher and Ogbuechi.

But then again if they'd drafted better they'd have probably been a better team and not been in the position to take Burrow. Either way, I hope we get Collins now


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[WVRed]

I think we can take away from this thread that Ogbuehi and Fisher were busts.

[Kingspoint]

I think we can take away from this thread that Ogbuehi and Fisher were busts.

Ironically, because the Bengals handed them so much experience without any evidence to support that they deserved it, they both had NFL jobs even last season. Both are currently lookin for work right now. Fisher probably gets one more look, but I don't know how anyone can add Ogbuehi once again. But, then Bobbie Massie keeps getting work, so it proves you can suck every year and still get a job as a RT in the NFL.