5/22/15 Reds @ Native Americans

[NebraskaRed]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFoTjH6WYAAxO_F.jpg:large

So, Mesoraco isn't the DH? That makes sense.

[Tony Cloninger]

If Mez is not going to DH and obviously not catch.....then I don't know what to say.

Put Votto back at 2 and drop Cozart back to 7th at least. The hot Cozart run is probably over. Let us not prolong it and make it any worse.

[androosh]

Something has to be wrong about this lineup. We have no center fielder!

Edit: It also says 'vs Indians' and not '@ Indians' in the bottom-left. Me thinks someone posted this to social media before they were supposed to.

[androosh]

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Updated lineup - still confuses the crap out of me, though.

[dsmith421]

This manager is beyond parody. Carry a hobbled Mesoraco for months because of his bat and start Pena and Stubblegrit as your D"H"s.

What is the Reds' cumulative DH OPS over the last five years?

[757690]

It's the old baseball axiom, you can't start a DH the day after a day off ;)

[villain612]

The May 22nd lineup in the May 21st game thread.

Price is good.

[Raisor]

That's why Rocco isn't playing, the 21st was his off day

[Strikes Out Looking]

That's why Rocco isn't playing, the 21st was his off day

Maybe his hip hurts? If that's the case, he should have had the surgery six weeks ago.

[reds44]

Mez isn't playing because of Pena's success against whoever is pitching for the Indians, per Price.

[757690]

Mez isn't playing because of Pena's success against whoever is pitching for the Indians, per Price.

Why can't Pena catch? It's not like Tucker had such a great game on Wed.

[Rantly]

Mez isn't playing because of Pena's success against whoever is pitching for the Indians, per Price.

Well than let Pena catch and Mez DH right?

[klw]

Most of the Reds have had success vs Carrasco
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/batvspitch/_/id/28968/carlos-carrasco


BATTER AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS
Jay Bruce 5 2 0 0 2 2 0 0 .400 .400 1.600 2.000
Marlon Byrd 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000
Zack Cozart 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .500 .500 .500 1.000
Todd Frazier 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .500 .500 .500 1.000
Billy Hamilton 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .500 .500 .500 1.000
Kris Negron 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000
Brayan Pena 6 3 1 0 0 1 1 1 .500 .571 .667 1.238
Brandon Phil 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 .000 .333 .000 .333
Eugenio Suarez 7 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 .286 .286 .286 .571
Joey Votto 3 2 1 0 1 2 0 1 .667 .667 2.000 2.667
Totals 33 14 2 0 3 6 3 8 .424 .472 .758 1.230

[cumberlandreds]

I fixed the date.

If Mez can't DH then he should be on the DL. The way they have handled him and this injury is beyond belief.

[Raisor]

I fixed the date.

If Mez can't DH then he should be on the DL. The way they have handled him and this injury is beyond belief.


It looks like it's a match up thing, I guess.

Word on the streets is that he's getting close to being able to catch, so we'll see.

[Chuckie]

If Mesoraco isn't hurt (and I mean beyond what we already know) this is managerial malpractice on the part of Bryan Price once again. If he wants to have Pena in the lineup, then catch Pena and DH Mesoraco.

It's mind-numbing rooting for a team this dumb.

[Raisor]

It's mind-numbing rooting for a team this dumb.

You could always go root for the Cardinals, I'm sure you'd be happier.

[Red Raindog]

You could always go root for the Cardinals, I'm sure you'd be happier.

I'd rather give up baseball ----

[tomnuetten]

votto with a single but thats it for the reds in the first inning

[Razor Shines]

That's why Rocco isn't playing, the 21st was his off day

On the 21st of every month Mes parties like it's his 21st birthday, it's in his contract and just something you have to deal with.

[tomnuetten]

nice double play from votto and cozart

[Gallen5862]

Ty. Thanks for any PBP that anyone gives.

[tomnuetten]

double bruce...

hitting the ball hard is not a bad thing

pena walked

=> runners on third and second with 1 out

[texasdave]

Did Marty just say that was Bruce's SECOND double of the season? Unbelievable.

[Stray]

Hasn't thrown Billy a strike and it's 2-2

[tomnuetten]

groundout rbi for billy...

1-0 reds

4-3 groundout barnhart

[Chip R]

groundout rbi for billy...

1-0 reds

Too bad that decreased the RISP % for the Reds.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks Tomnuetten. Go Reds.

[tomnuetten]

Too bad that decreased the RISP % for the Reds.

hey I´ll take the groundout in this ab. billy had some terrible swings...

leake missed the bag should have been an out..

[Stray]

Good play by Votto, was a tough play for leake

[tomnuetten]

Good play by Votto, was a tough play for leake

this time Votto had a little problem to get the ball out of his gloves, could have been a double play...

and now a walk => 1st and 2nd with 1 out

and another walk => bases loaded

[Stray]

Walking some dudes with really low averages

[Stray]

Get it together, leake.

[tomnuetten]

leake can´t find the strike zone...

4 pitch walk with the bases loaded to tie the game 1-1 :bang:

[Red Raindog]

Walking some dudes with really low averages

or trying to walk everyone

[Red Raindog]

Rogers Hornsby drives in a run with his 2nd hit of the game

[tomnuetten]

single to cf

2-1 indians still bases loaded 1out

[Red Raindog]

good strong throw by Joey to get a force at home

[tomnuetten]

votto with a good play to get the force out at home...

2outs bases loaded


edit: red raindog is faster... I have to go to bed soon anyway..

at least only 2 runs scored in this bad inning for leake

[Red Raindog]

Leake dodges a huge one there -- Brantley ground to Cozart

[Chip R]

I think its nice we're seeing Second Half Leake this soon.

[tomnuetten]

I think it is nice to see someone getting on base to leadoff an inning

[Stray]

Just read where price wouldn't say for sure if marquis would make his next start. So hey, there's some good news.

[757690]

Just read where price wouldn't say for sure if marquis would make his next start. So hey, there's some good news.

Considering his previous statements, that's as damning a statement I would expect from Price about Jason. I'm guessing Marquis threw his last pitch for the Reds.

[Red Raindog]

I think it is nice to see someone getting on base to leadoff an inning

as long as you don't expect them to cross home plate ---- :help:

OK -- I was off

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[Chip R]

hey I´ll take the groundout in this ab. billy had some terrible swings...


Me too but it shows how flawed that stat is. You can make an out and score a run even though it decreases your BARISP. Conversly, you can get a hit with RISP and not score a run.

[Red Raindog]

Considering his previous statements, that's as damning a statement I would expect from Price about Jason. I'm guessing Marquis threw his last pitch for the Reds.

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[tomnuetten]

a hit with RISP?

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[757690]

How I wish Thom was announcing tonight. I would love to hear his reaction to a hit with a runner in scoring position.

[Red Raindog]

How I wish Thom was announcing tonight. I would love to hear his reaction to a hit with a runner in scoring position.

masochist

[TheBigLebowski]

Here comes the wanker to give it right back.

[Red Raindog]

well Skip -- you told me throw strikes!

[RedTeamGo!]

Leake falling apart early in the season this year to kill his trade value.

Home run Brandon Moss. On the bright side he is on my fantasy team.

[Tracy Jones]

Leake stinks.

Anybody who gives him a $100 million contract is a fool.

[757690]

Good thing Leake has his personal catcher helping him perform at his peak tonight.

[BCubb2003]

Time to sign Leake to an extension.

[TheBigLebowski]

Here comes the wanker to give it right back.

Dang I'm good.

[Tracy Jones]

10 HR's allowed now in 57 innings.

[Tracy Jones]

That's awful

[SlimJim11]

Took 6 balls for the ump to give the walk to Bruce.

[Stray]

Frank Drebin behind the plate

[Tracy Jones]

Took 6 balls for the ump to give the walk to Bruce.

Strike 2 was atrocious

[ukredleg]

Oh lawd, Billy

[757690]

Gotta love FSO camera work.

[757690]

Glad to see Billy with the push bunt down the firstbase line. Just bad luck there. If he keeps attempting those, he'll get a bunch of hits.

[RedTeamGo!]

At what point do you demote Billy to AAA?

[Tracy Jones]

At what point do you demote Billy to AAA?

Why? For who?

[Tracy Jones]

Here goes the game...

[RedTeamGo!]

Why? For who?

Because he is failing miserably and I think he needs to work on hitting/getting on base at a level he is not completely overmatched. I don't care who it's for. Not about the present, it's about the future.

[Tracy Jones]

Because he is failing miserably and I think he needs to work on hitting/getting on base at a level he is not completely overmatched. I don't care who it's for. Not about the present, it's about the future.

If it's about the future, the best way for him to get better is to see MLB pitching as much as possible. Sending him to AAA does nothing.

[KronoRed]

At what point do you demote Billy to AAA?

When there is a replacement who is at least replacement level.

[Tracy Jones]

Leake is turrrrible

[757690]

At what point do you demote Billy to AAA?

Billy had too nice AB's tonight. A groundball to score a run, and a nice bunt attempt that unfortunately hit him in fair territory. What has he done tonight to make you convinced he's overmatched?

[ukredleg]

Those damned drummers that stop and start during an Indians rally. I thought it was my pulse at first.

[KronoRed]

Start beaning Moss.

[757690]

At what point do you demote Billy to AAA?

Billy is currently the 9th most productive CF in MLB according to fWAR.
This past week, he has had this line: .292/.280/.500/.780

[Red Raindog]

Start beaning Moss.

Leake would miss tonight

[TheBigLebowski]

Please trade this batting tee for a pitching machine.

[CrackerJack]

Billy is currently the 9th most productive CF in MLB according to fWAR.
This past week, he has had this line: .292/.280/.500/.780

Yes, the entire starting OF is now hitting over .200 as well, good times.

[Kc61]

Billy is currently the 9th most productive CF in MLB according to fWAR.
This past week, he has had this line: .292/.280/.500/.780

As reflected in my Stats thread for 40 games, Hamilton has the second best UZR defensive rating of any position player in the National League. Only Dee Gordon is higher, by a touch.

By holding onto Leake, the Reds may be allowing his trade value to diminish. The last two appearances were uninspiring. They might indeed make the QO and take the draft choice if this continues.

Hopefully Cueto continues to pitch well. If he's going to be traded, I'd like it to be at his peak performance to bring the best yield.

[RedTeamGo!]

Billy had too nice AB's tonight. A groundball to score a run, and a nice bunt attempt that unfortunately hit him in fair territory. What has he done tonight to make you convinced he's overmatched?

It's not about tonight, it's about the season. I was just thinking about it and decided to mention it in the game thread. And let's not pretend like Hamilton is playing well. Dude is one of the worst offensive every day players in the bigs.

[RedTeamGo!]

Billy is currently the 9th most productive CF in MLB according to fWAR.
This past week, he has had this line: .292/.280/.500/.780

His fwar is significantly effected by his superior defense. He is a terrible hitter.

[Red Raindog]

His fwar is significantly effected by his superior defense. He is a terrible hitter.

and he's part of a mediocre at best team ---- I will be drinking a whole bunch this summer

[Tom Servo]

http://i.imgur.com/XnjGmAj.png

Byrd y u do dis

[Tom Servo]

Not sure why the umpire is calling strikes from Badenhop as balls to the last two batters.

[Roy Tucker]

and he's part of a mediocre at best team ---- I will be drinking a whole bunch this summer

I wasn't very hopeful for this season so, wheras I'm not particularly happy, I'm not terribly surprised either.

So enjoy the summer season and maybe in a few years, we'll have something to root for. I'm afraid times are going to be a little rough for Reds fans.

[Ironman92]

Leake can't get out lefties and Indians had 8 of them. Nibbles like Glavine used to but

[Red Raindog]

I wasn't very hopeful for this season so, wheras I'm not particularly happy, I'm not terribly surprised either.

So enjoy the summer season and maybe in a few years, we'll have something to root for. I'm afraid times are going to be a little rough for Reds fans.

I predicted 78 wins I think -- did not expect much but combined with my plummeting faith in Price this has become tough to watch without strong adult drink

[Red Raindog]

It appears that all that time Jumbo spent in the minors was for a legitimate reason

[TheBigLebowski]

This. Team. Is. AWFUL.

[Kc61]

Reds are getting clobbered. Leake has allowed 10 homers, he cannot succeed with that number. He's a ground ball pitcher and when he gets the ball up he has bad years. It's happened before.

The Reds' pitching has collapsed and the W-L record with it. And without Bailey, it's a very ordinary staff. That injury was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Hopefully somebody in this organization will take charge and provide some different direction. But they are so, so cautious. I don't blame Price, but even if they resort to the routine act of changing managers it would at least show they are paying attention.

Perhaps it was predictable, some national publications predicted it, but it sure is a disappointing situation.

[Tony Cloninger]

Offense cannot do anything except for the last SF game anyways......in the famous words of Johnny Cueto "The offense needs to do their job." :evil:

[Tony Cloninger]

It appears that all that time Jumbo spent in the minors was for a legitimate reason

That is why by the end of this month both he and Negron will probably be in the minors so the next round of tryouts continues to find someone who can sustain their success a little more. I am hoping anyways.

[Cedric]

The Reds are terrible now and with little hope for improvement in the near future.

Back to the 00's and fast. Joy joy!

[Gainesville Red]

George says "looping" and "loops" a lot.

[KronoRed]

This Reds car is close to heading over the cliff.

[Gainesville Red]

This Reds car is close to heading over the cliff.

George would say it's close to looping over the cliff.

[Tom Servo]

We're still bad.

[CrackerJack]

Reds are getting clobbered. Leake has allowed 10 homers, he cannot succeed with that number. He's a ground ball pitcher and when he gets the ball up he has bad years. It's happened before.



I seem to recall bad stretches or a few bad starts in a row throughout a season, but not many, if any "bad years" for a 4th-5th starter (who's probably got a realistic ceiling of being a decent #3 type). Yeah he's a #2 here though, now, and it's much harder to endure his bad stretches as a result. But I'm not for getting rid of him, just finding better guys to put in front of him, these bad stretches are never fun with him, but he was great until his last two starts...that's why he's not top-of-the-rotation guy, right?

[texasdave]

The way the season has gone for Leake so far, Kate Moss could take him deep. I realize that is a completely random statement, but I couldn't bear to see the game thread fail to reach 100 comments this early in the season.

[villain612]

I forgot what winning feels like.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

Kate Moss could take him deep.

:shocked:

[redssince75]

The way the season has gone for Leake so far, Kate Moss could take him deep. I realize that is a completely random statement, but I couldn't bear to see the game thread fail to reach 100 comments this early in the season.

I'd take Kate Moss de.......nah, that'd probably get moderated.