6/14/2015 Reds at Cubs

[cumberlandreds]

Sunday night special on ESPN. Let's see if the Reds can split with the Cubbies tonight.

1. Brandon Phillips (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 2B
2. Joey Votto (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 1B
3. Todd Frazier (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 3B
4. Jay Bruce (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) RF
5. Brayan Pena (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) C
6. Eugenio Suarez (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) SS
7. Kristopher Negron (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) LF
8. Anthony DeSclafani (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) P
9. Billy Hamilton (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) CF

[UPRedsFan]

Sunday night special on ESPN. Let's see if the Reds can split with the Cubbies tonight.

1. Brandon Phillips (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 2B
2. Joey Votto (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 1B
3. Todd Frazier (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 3B
4. Jay Bruce (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) RF
5. Brayan Pena (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) C
6. Eugenio Suarez (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) SS
7. Kristopher Negron (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) LF
8. Anthony DeSclafani (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) P
9. Billy Hamilton (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) CF







So I guess Dejesus is hurt, right? right?

[UPRedsFan]

I mean, I appreciated Negon's defense at 2b yesterday. There was some merit to that. But cmon, Negron starting in left field tonight? Do you want left field defense or a bat in the lineup with some pop and which has been hot the last week?

[Old school 1983]

Negron couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

[757690]

I know Boesch sucks. But isn't it worth trying him over Negron? He hits lefties as well as righties. And he's a real OF with strong defense. I keep saying it. If Boesch isn't trusted to make a start in LF, then he should be released. Find someone who they do trust.

[villain612]

Votto back in the two hole.

2 HR's tonight.

[indy_dave00]

Whet happened to Ivan DeJesus Jr he played lf in Cincy,

[RedlegJake]

You don't understand. You play the guys who aren't hitting to get them going. The ones who are hitting don't need to play. Price World.

Really, though, except for Negron this isn't a bad lineup

[RedlegJake]

Well, can already tell this is going to be "Cubs are great yada yada yada" broadcast and the Reds will hardly be mentioned

[villain612]

I've been waiting on the Tom Servo/Cubs rage from this broadcast.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

Well, can already tell this is going to be "Cubs are great yada yada yada" broadcast and the Reds will hardly be mentioned

Joe Maddon is managing a game on ....that....network. It'll be like listening to Penthouse Forums in audio book form.

[Kc61]

I've seen this before with managers, including Price.

Negron got two hits yesterday. A lefty is pitching. The theory is that Negron's due a correction upward, his numbers are terrible, he got two hits yesterday, give him another shot today.

[villain612]

Votto loved that low strike call lol.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

Um, Bruce...WTH?

[Chuckie]

Don't hurt yourself or anything Jay!

[villain612]

http://36.media.tumblr.com/c47b711c6e20511f9d53c46e6a627554/tumblr_njm3mllke01r1wuipo1_400.jpg

[Tracy Jones]

I've seen this before with managers, including Price.

Negron got two hits yesterday. A lefty is pitching. The theory is that Negron's due a correction upward, his numbers are terrible, he got two hits yesterday, give him another shot today.

Bet we don't see that same theory used with Tony Cingrani tonight

[RedlegJake]

Disco getting hit hard....lucky with the first 2 and the worst hit ball is a double. Baseball.

[Tracy Jones]

http://36.media.tumblr.com/c47b711c6e20511f9d53c46e6a627554/tumblr_njm3mllke01r1wuipo1_400.jpg

lol that's awful

[Chuckie]

Come after him. Coghlan looks afraid of the ball.

[villain612]

lol that's awful

Thank you, thank you.

[Chuckie]

http://36.media.tumblr.com/c47b711c6e20511f9d53c46e6a627554/tumblr_njm3mllke01r1wuipo1_400.jpg

LMAO

[Tom Servo]

This inning went south fast.

[Chuckie]

Good thing Jay didn't go after that ball harder. No issue there.

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Disco hitting 95 with the fastball.

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Another lucky break for the 1908ers. Geez.

[Larkin Fan]

Reds are gonna cub.

[Big Klu]

E5? That's a do or die play.

[Chuckie]

Wow, they actually charged Frazier with an error there? The Cubs have a real official scorer and not a Little League mom?

[androosh]

Gonna be a bullpen game, isn't it? :(

Edit: wow, that's an error? Maybe that's why Castro commits so many...

[Slippin'Jimmy]

Running a clinic on defense so far

[RedlegJake]

Wow, they actually charged Frazier with an error there? The Cubs have a real official scorer and not a Little League mom?

Money says if it was Bryant there was no error

[Tracy Jones]

Hey ESPN announce team and Cubs....get a freaking room

[Chuckie]

Same pitch that was a strike to Votto on his first pitch ... not a strike for Cubs' batters.

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Nice work Disco! Was a bit outside, but we'll take it!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nice wiggle, Disco. :thumbup:

[Tracy Jones]

Same pitch that was a strike to Votto on his first pitch ... not a strike for Cubs' batters.

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Nice work Disco! Was a bit outside, but we'll take it!

Yeah he made up for it

[RedlegJake]

Disco makes a perfect pitch there but he's only going 5 at best tonight at this rate

[Larkin Fan]

That's a tough error for Frazier.

[Chuckie]

Money says if it was Bryant there was no error

But Lester is pitching and they wouldn't want to make his stats even crappier than they are. Tough call.

I'd like to think the Cubs have an official scorer who makes his decision based on the merits of the play (unlike most MLB official scorers) but who knows. I do know the Reds' official scorer isn't the worst in MLB, but isn't very good at all. Many times there are plays high school players would have made that are ruled hits, not errors. The "Little League Mom" syndrome as I call it.

"But Jimmy tried real hard. And the ball was hit real hard."

[Chuckie]

Nice AB there Bruce.

Man he continues to regress in every way possible. He's even overweight now and obviously slower/less athletic.

[RedlegJake]

That was an unimpressive inning for the Reds "hitters"

[Tracy Jones]

As irritating as T-Hom can be at times, I'm longing to hear him call this game.

ESPN is atrocious.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

This is like watching a Cubs intrasquad game.

[Chip R]

They changed that to a hit.

[villain612]

John Kruk hates scoreboards.

Why you hate math bro?

[Tracy Jones]

John Kruk hates scoreboards.

Why you hate math bro?

My eyes and ears hate John Kruk

[Big Klu]

As irritating as T-Hom can be at times, I'm longing to hear him call this game.

ESPN is atrocious.

I'm glad Joe Morgan is in the Reds organization now, but I miss the duo of Jon Miller and Joe Morgan on ESPN telecasts.

[villain612]

If the Cubs are ESPNs wife, then the mistress is definitely the Red Sox.

[Tracy Jones]

I'm glad Joe Morgan is in the Reds organization now, but I miss the duo of Jon Miller and Joe Morgan on ESPN telecasts.

They were far better than this crew. Schilling and Kruk both are just awful. I know that they're just largely regurgitating what they're being told to say/promote, but I can't watch a game on ESPN anymore.

[RedlegJake]

Disco really settled down

[faffy42]

Hey ESPN announce team and Cubs....get a freaking room

Its the CUBS Sunday night special on ESPN!

[villain612]

Its the CUBS Sunday night commercial on ESPN!

FIFY

[RedlegJake]

If the Cubs are ESPNs wife, then the mistress is definitely the Red Sox.

Bosox, Cubs, Yanks, Dodgers, Cards and sometimes Orioles. Everyone else has been eliminated under the ESPN contraction rule

[Big Klu]

They were far better than this crew. Schilling and Kruk both are just awful. I know that they're just largely regurgitating what they're being told to say/promote, but I can't watch a game on ESPN anymore.

It was even worse when Orel Hershiser and Bobby Valentine were on the ESPN crew.

[Tracy Jones]

If the Cubs are ESPNs wife, then the mistress is definitely the Red Sox.

Definitely.

New York, Boston, Chicago. The rest of the country is largely irrelevant to ESPN, as is baseball itself.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

If the Cubs are ESPNs wife, then the mistress is definitely the Red Sox.

Then Dook is their booty call.

[Banshee]

Its the CUBS Sunday night special on ESPN!

It's like an informercial. Good bounce back inning for Tony D., might help if the reds actually make Lester throw more than 10'ish pitches/inning. They nearly always shrink in the national spotlight. Need to spoil this narrative tonight.

[Tracy Jones]

It was even worse when Orel Hershiser and Bobby Valentine was on the ESPN crew.

lol I forgot about that crew.

[RedlegJake]

I didn't mind Hershiser if the Dodgers weren't playing. Valentine was brutal

[Tracy Jones]

Schilling is such an idiot

[villain612]

Schilling is such an idiot

And we haven't brought up his non-baseball opinions.

[BluegrassRedleg]

rBr

[Larkin Fan]

LOL I like watching Billy run wild on a defenseless Lester.

[villain612]

Team Lester giving plenty of advice.

[RedlegJake]

If Billy got on 4X with the bases ahead open, facing Lester, he could set a game record for steals

[Big Klu]

I didn't mind Hershiser if the Dodgers weren't playing. Valentine was brutal

I thought Hershiser was the worst of the lot, present crew included. Maybe the worst announcer ever (not named Hawk Harrelson).

[Tracy Jones]

Team Lester giving plenty of advice.

http://www.cubbytees.com/ShirtPieces/I_Love_Chicago_Cubs_Hand_Heart--ZM--RB.jpg

[Big Klu]

If Billy got on 4X with the bases ahead open, facing Lester, he could set a game record for steals

I would like to see a straight steal of home some time.

[Tracy Jones]

Kruk would have Rizzo's baby

[757690]

I thought Hershiser was the worst or the lot, present crew included. Maybe the worst announcer ever (not named Hawk Harrelson).

What amazed me was how little Hershiser knew about pitching. I guess he just looked smart.

[androosh]

Is it me, or does the width of the strike zone seem to consistently change depending on the team at the plate?

[faffy42]

Honestly though...if the reds want to be talked about more, then need to be relevant...so its their own doing. Win more, and they get the attention. The cubs are doing well...so it makes sense really that they get the majority of coversation.

[Tracy Jones]

Honestly though...if the reds want to be talked about more, then need to be relevant...so its their own doing. Win more, and they get the attention. The cubs are doing well...so it makes sense really that they get the majority of coversation.

You mean win like the Cubs?

[villain612]

Leadoff-Votto innings are like finding that extra beer in the vegetable drawer in the fridge.

[Big Klu]

What amazed me was how little Hershiser knew about pitching. I guess he just looked smart.

He only looked smart because of the glasses. Once he started talking you realized how much of a moron he was. One time he explained (in a very matter-of-fact way) to Schulman and Valentine that the curveball breaks because gravity pulls on it more than it does on a fastball.

I guess ol' Orel skipped physics class at BGSU.

[villain612]

Game update: Jon Kruk still hates math.

[Big Klu]

Leadoff-Votto innings are like finding that extra beer in the vegetable drawer in the fridge.

Well, that particular inning was like finding a six-year-old Natty Light.

[Tracy Jones]

He only looked smart because of the glasses. Once he started talking you realized how much of a moron he was. One time he explained (in a very matter-of-fact way) to Schulman and Valentine that the curveball breaks because gravity pulls on it more than it does on a fastball.

I guess ol' Orel skipped physics class at BGSU.

Glasses are a sure fire way of fooling people into believing that you're the smartest guy in the room.

http://www.chicagonow.com/world-series-dreaming/files/2014/10/MaddonCubHat.jpg

[RedlegJake]

Honestly though...if the reds want to be talked about more, then need to be relevant...so its their own doing. Win more, and they get the attention. The cubs are doing well...so it makes sense really that they get the majority of coversation.

I understand what you're saying but ESPN doesn't. I watched the Royals and Yanks in May and all the talk was Yankee this, this and this, even though the Royals won, had a better record and went to the WS last year. ESPN loves the major markets and don't care fig for the rest of the teams

[villain612]

Longest interview ever.

Get him a seat in the booth.

[Big Klu]

Glasses are a sure fire way of fooling people into believing that you're the smartest guy in the room.

http://www.chicagonow.com/world-series-dreaming/files/2014/10/MaddonCubHat.jpg

It doesn't always work, though.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/harry_caray.jpg?4cf118

[Tracy Jones]

Longest interview ever.

Get him a seat in the booth.

All three of them would volunteer their faces.

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It doesn't always work, though.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/harry_caray.jpg?4cf118

lol good point.

[Banshee]

Lots of quality location on his pitches all night by Disco, seriously hitting his spots.

[villain612]

Why are we celebrating the fact that the outfield wall at Wrigley is brick under that ivy?

It's like celebrating cars that don't have seat belts.

[RedlegJake]

Boy, Disco has really impressed the way he has come back from that first

[Tracy Jones]

Is Desclafani suddenly dominating?

I would say yes but the announcers have yet to verify,

[villain612]

I think I have Cubs-rage.

[Big Klu]

Why are we celebrating the fact that the outfield wall at Wrigley is brick under that ivy?

It's like celebrating cars that don't have seat belts.

Wrigley Field: the Ford Pinto of baseball fields.

[Chuckie]

My Negron!

[villain612]

DeSclafini getting some Cueto-esque run support tonight.

[Tracy Jones]

If a normal hitter was up in the 8 spot in this situation he's be walked John.

Idiot

[Chuckie]

Nice throw there D-Ross.

BTW: This is precisely why you don't want the pitcher to bat 8th.

[Big Klu]

I've seen this before with managers, including Price.

Negron got two hits yesterday. A lefty is pitching. The theory is that Negron's due a correction upward, his numbers are terrible, he got two hits yesterday, give him another shot today.

And Negrón doubles off Lester.

[Chuckie]

If a normal hitter was up in the 8 spot in this situation he's be walked John.

Idiot

Well, the Reds wouldn't ... as they have proven this year.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

not a strike

[RedlegJake]

I understand the pitcher batting 8th and I actually like it. But, yes, this situation is the drawback. Like anything it has it's pluses and minuses. With Billy, I think the plusses outweigh the negatives.

[Chuckie]

I can't believe this Tony LaRussa nonsense of batting the pitcher 8th has actually caught on. Even fans are defending it now. It's incredibly stupid. You want your best hitters to get as many ABs as possible. Most games, it might not batter when you're talking about the 8th/9th hitters. But some games -- like tonight -- suddenly you have a runner in scoring position and the 8th batter is up. Doesn't that just suck.

And if a position player isn't a better hitter than a pitcher like Disco, said hitter should not be in MLB.

[RedlegJake]

LOL....thanks Chuckie. I never considered myself stupid until you informed me you are so much more intelligent than me.

[Chuckie]

More sloppy D from Frazier. Jeezus.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

What in the world is Schilling talking about? "we took his glove and had fun with it?"

Gross.

[RedlegJake]

Shoot, stuck in his glove just enough to lose the play

[WVRedsFan]

Frazier having a rough night.

[Tracy Jones]

I understand the pitcher batting 8th and I actually like it. But, yes, this situation is the drawback. Like anything it has it's pluses and minuses. With Billy, I think the plusses outweigh the negatives.

Billy hitting 8th completely wastes his best asset because the pitcher is just going to try and bunt him over anyway.

And in the situation last inning, the 8 hole hitter just gets walked to get to Desclafani anyway

[Chuckie]

LOL....thanks Chuckie. I never considered myself stupid until you informed me you are so much more intelligent than me.

That wasn't in response to you. We posted at the same time. You thought that was in response to you? I would quote you if I was responding to you.

[mth123]

Not getting this. If the pitcher was hitting 9th, Negron would be hitting 8th and if he doubled, the situation would be exactly the same.

[Chuckie]

Frazier needs to work on his D. He's been extremely sloppy all season (for his high standards).

[RedlegJake]

I wasn't offended. That's why I included the LOL. But I am a fan, and I do defend it - my argument for is exactly what TJ just posted. With Billy in the lineup it does make sense

[Chip R]

Hey, guys, did you know Kruk loved hitting in Wrigley Field?

[Ironman92]

Need to score to have a chance to pull this out

[Tracy Jones]

What a catch. Kruk cries

[WVRedsFan]

Nice play, Jay!!!

[RedlegJake]

Bruce may have loafed in the first but he made a web gem there

[Chuckie]

Wow! Great play Bruce. I've been critical of his D, but that was fantastic. Way to go. That's the Bruce I remember.

[villain612]

Jay Bruce in RF.

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

You catch that one but give up on the blooper in the first? Gotcha.

[Larkin Fan]

Anyone see Bruce say "what's up Chuckie" after that play?

[Chuckie]

I can't believe how bad Schilling and Kruk are (especially Schilling).

Clown show, bro.

[mth123]

I can't believe this Tony LaRussa nonsense of batting the pitcher 8th has actually caught on. Even fans are defending it now. It's incredibly stupid. You want your best hitters to get as many ABs as possible. Most games, it might not batter when you're talking about the 8th/9th hitters. But some games -- like tonight -- suddenly you have a runner in scoring position and the 8th batter is up. Doesn't that just suck.

And if a position player isn't a better hitter than a pitcher like Disco, said hitter should not be in MLB.

But the Reds worst hitter is getting 150 or so fewer PAs and all the better hitters are getting 18 to 20 more with te basic order still intact. Hamilton is still hitting in front of Phillips and Votto, just not in the first inning. Those fewer PAs for Hamilton coupled with 18 to 20 more each for Votto and Frazier are well worth the pitcher spot coming up 18 to 20 more.

[Chuckie]

Anyone see Bruce say "what's up Chuckie" after that play?

I saw it. Was flattered.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

The ad exec that created that Mt. Dew commercial where the guy just screams into the cooler needs to be fired. Perhaps tarred and feathered.

[Chuckie]

But the Reds worst hitter is getting 150 or so fewer PAs and all the better hitters are getting 18 to 20 more with te basic order still intact. Hamilton is still hitting in front of Phillips and Votto, just not in the first inning. Those fewer PAs for Hamilton coupled with 18 to 20 more each for Votto and Frazier are well worth the pitcher spot coming up 18 to 20 more.

Oh, I'm not saying bat Billy leadoff. I'm saying bat him 8th. He's a better hitter than any of our pitchers ... and we have some good hitting pitchers.

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Double for Billy!

[Todd Gack]

For only being a leadoff double in the 5th inning of a June 14th game, Marty had a great call for Hamilton there.

[WVRedsFan]

first Ross and now the left fielder fall down throwing...

[Larkin Fan]

Billy is going to be on third soon.

[Chuckie]

Why is Billy not stealing here?

[Chuckie]

Yips won't throw over.

There we go! Swiped third.

[RedlegJake]

Oh, I'm not saying bat Billy leadoff. I'm saying bat him 8th. He's a better hitter than any of our pitchers ... and we have some good hitting pitchers.

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You're missing the point I think is important (or you don't think so) which is after the first you have Billy leading off essentially in front of BP and Votto but still limiting his ABs and increasing theirs

[villain612]

Lol at the size of that lead

[RedlegJake]

That's why you bat Billy 9th

[Chuckie]

You're missing the point I think is important (or you don't think so) which is after the first you have Billy leading off essentially in front of BP and Votto but still limiting his ABs and increasing theirs

I get that. But I'd rather hide the pitcher as much as possible. It might not be much difference, but 9th is hiding him more than 8th.

1-0 Redlegs!

[WVRedsFan]

Billy created that run

[faffy42]

I understand what you're saying but ESPN doesn't. I watched the Royals and Yanks in May and all the talk was Yankee this, this and this, even though the Royals won, had a better record and went to the WS last year. ESPN loves the major markets and don't care fig for the rest of the teams

True enough. Big markets equal big money equal biggest viewing audience equals espn Biggest like

[Slippin'Jimmy]

Cubs: 0
Non Cubs:1

[villain612]

DatDudeRBI

[Chuckie]

That's why you bat Billy 9th

LOL. Listen to you.

[Todd Gack]

Phillips is now hitting .307 w/RISP that's his 21st RBI (out of 26 total) with RISP.

[BCubb2003]

a Run Billied In.

[Chuckie]

I could steal a bag off Lester ... and I'm 6-3, 220 and out of shape.

[faffy42]

Nice! Cmon reds! ....ruin the ESPN CUBs Sunday night special!!!

[Chuckie]

a Run Billied In.

I like.

[RedlegJake]

True enough. Big markets equal big money equal biggest viewing audience equals espn Biggest like

That's true, too and I completely understand their view from the business standpoint. As a fan I hate it though

[villain612]

Haha, sorry Kruk. Phillips isn't a "great runner".

[kaldaniels]

I don't think Lester's teammates are amused by his yips.

[Chuckie]

Boom! 2-0 Reds on the Votto double.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

Cubs: 0

Non Cubs: 2


...maybe not. Looks out to me on the replay. Never ever know what NY is gonna say.

[WVRedsFan]

Vottomatic

[faffy42]

YES!!!!!!! Cmon non cubs!!

[RedlegJake]

VOTTO! And BP can still slide like a pro

Here comes the Maddon challenge

[Tracy Jones]

safe

[Tom Servo]

Of course, NOW Ross hold onto a ball at home plate, not when he was with the Reds.

[Chuckie]

Crap, this will be overturned. Stupid to send him there with no outs. And BP is hurt. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

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Of course, NOW Ross hold onto a ball at home plate, not when he was with the Reds.

Ha, wow that's true.

He's out. Riggleman fail.

[RedlegJake]

The announcers are killing me - conclusive and clear that was not. Should be upheld.

[faffy42]

Uh oh...could be out

[Tracy Jones]

lol Kruk is REALLY hoping this gets overturned

[RedlegJake]

Boy they must have different camera angles. Didn;t look clear to me

[Tom Servo]

Awful. We need robot umpires.

[Chuckie]

The Curse of Steve Smith

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Boy they must have different camera angles. Didn;t look clear to me

Definitely out bro.

[Larkin Fan]

Man, there was not enough evidence to overturn that IMO. It's likely that he was out, but it was not clear from replay.

[757690]

I have seen over a dozen reviews that were far more clear and convincing that were not overturned.

I still like replay overall, but it still sucks.

[Chuckie]

No outs, an old player with a groin injury running, Frazier coming up ... "Let's send him!"

#SteveSmithSchoolOfBaseball

[BCubb2003]

It wouldn't cost that much to have three high-def cameras trained on each base.

[faffy42]

Credit goes to castro..nice quick accurate relay. Bastards.

[Chuckie]

Awful to only get 1 out of that. Even our third base coach sucks (again).

[RedlegJake]

No outs, an old player with a groin injury running, Frazier coming up ... "Let's send him!"

#SteveSmithSchoolOfBaseball

Riggleman threw up the hold sign - that was on Brandon

[kaldaniels]

Man, there was not enough evidence to overturn that IMO. It's likely that he was out, but it was not clear from replay.

One camera shot was not enough, but it was one where you can piece it together in your mind and determine he was out.

[Tracy Jones]

No outs, an old player with a groin injury running, Frazier coming up ... "Let's send him!"

#SteveSmithSchoolOfBaseball

Steve Smith was fired after last season

[Chuckie]

What are you guys watching that the replay wasn't conclusive? He was definitely out.

[Ironman92]

Lack of a secondary lead was the difference in the safe/out call.

[Chuckie]

Steve Smith was fired after last season

Derp. I know this. Riggleman is taking on the role of Smith is my point. Following in his footsteps.

[RedlegJake]

Derp. I know this. Riggleman is taking on the role of Smith is my point. Following in his footsteps.

Again, Riggleman tried to stop him. Had the hold sign on

[faffy42]

After the play...I think shoulda held em. : ) But really I don't mind they sent phillips there...Had to be really well executed to get him out...and cubs did just that.

[Chuckie]

Riggleman threw up the hold sign - that was on Brandon

Ahh, didn't realize this. Nice work there, BP. Incredibly dumb.

[Kc61]

Riggleman threw up the hold sign - that was on Brandon

Riggleman has been fine coaching third, but with BP's groin injury he should have held him.

He did try to stop him, but it was too late, Brandon was on his way.

Rather upsetting play.

[Chuckie]

Disco Funk!

[Tracy Jones]

Derp. I know this. Riggleman is taking on the role of Smith is my point. Following in his footsteps.

Except Riggleman held him. Phillips went on his own.

I know it's hard to imagine, but players actually do make mistakes without a coach or manager being involved

[Kc61]

Except Riggleman held him. Phillips went on his own.

I know it's hard to imagine, but players actually do make mistakes without a coach or manager being involved

Looked to me like Riggleman sent BP initially, then tried to hold him. I didn't get a great view of it, that's what it looked like to me.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

He was out but I'm starting to think that replay call may have gone to the ESPN booth.

[Chuckie]

Wheeewwww. Nice that was foul.

[757690]

One camera shot was not enough, but it was one where you can piece it together in your mind and determine he was out.

I agree. But the way the replay rules are set up currently, the replay official is not allowed to do that. They must be able to see the overturning evidence together, all in one shot.

I think they got it right, but they violated the replay rules in order to do it.

That said, I think they should change the replay rules so they can piece together the evidence from different shots. They can do that in the NFL.

For me, the problem with replay isn't so much that they are getting plays wrong, it's that they are very inconsistent in how they rule.

[Chuckie]

I went super-slow-mo on the big screen. Barely foul.

Oh, EFF THAT. No way that was conclusive. What a farce.

[Tracy Jones]

lol Kruk is absolutely in love with the Cubs.

"Definitely hit chalk there"

[757690]

No way that's conclusive. So, of course, it will be overturned.

[villain612]

They were all personally offended that it was called foul.

[Tracy Jones]

That is absolute crap. There is no chance that was "conclusive"

[Tom Servo]

This is getting silly.

[757690]

That may or may not have been chalk. It may have been a shadow. Man, replay sucks.

[androosh]

First one rightfully overturned, that one was absolutely ridiculous.

[Ironman92]

The zoom in showed it clearly on my tv.

Losing the game of inches

[Slippin'Jimmy]

No chalk.

[BCubb2003]

That may or may not have been chalk. It may have been a shadow. Man, replay sucks.

Looked like a shadow to me.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds are getting screwed.

[kaldaniels]

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I agree. But the way the replay rules are set up currently, the replay official is not allowed to do that. They must be able to see the overturning evidence together, all in one shot.

I think they got it right, but they violated the replay rules in order to do it.

That said, I think they should change the replay rules so they can piece together the evidence from different shots. They can do that in the NFL.

For me, the problem with replay isn't so much that they are getting plays wrong, it's that they are very inconsistent in how they rule.

http://m.mlb.com/official_rules/replay_review

I'm mobile and skimmed through this...is this where the one-shot rule is listed?

[Chuckie]

Baseball has replay on that, but won't let computers call balls and strikes as they should.

[Slippin'Jimmy]

I think Maddon is going to challenge Castro's pop out. That was actually a HR.

[villain612]

I guess this is how Rocky felt when he faught Drago in Part IV.

[Chuckie]

I don't think the Cubs fan who is working at the MLB offices tonight in New York understands what the word "conclusive" means.

[757690]

"Looks like we got a call that is being challenged."
"Let's look at the replay, what does it look like?"
"Hard to tell."
"The ESPN crew says it clearly is fair."
"And it must be fair. overturn it."

[Chuckie]

I think Maddon is going to challenge Castro's pop out. That was actually a HR.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

*Crap, did I just say that?*

[villain612]

RBI's dude.

[Chuckie]

Doesn't matter when ... DISCO IS DEALIN'!

[Tracy Jones]

Reds 1

Cubs/Replay ump/ESPN 0

[BCubb2003]

Don't worry, the bullpen can hold these guys.

[Big Klu]

That is absolute crap. There is no chance that was "conclusive"

Welcome to the wonderful world of replay.

I say 86 the whole thing.

[kaldaniels]

A

http://m.mlb.com/official_rules/replay_review

I'm mobile and skimmed through this...is this where the one-shot rule is listed?

Standard for Changing a Call

To change a reviewable call, the Replay Official must determine that there is clear and convincing evidence to change the original call that was made on the field of play. In other words, the original decision of the Umpire shall stand unchanged unless the evidence obtained by the Replay Official leads him to definitively conclude that the call on the field was incorrect.

- That's all I found. I am only curious as I had never heard the "one-shot" rule.

[Tom Servo]

Great start from Disco. This is what I expect from him, not necessarily the 0 runs allowed, but the 98 pitches thrown with 68 strikes for 5 strikeouts and 1 walk.

[Tracy Jones]

Welcome to the wonderful world of replay.

I say 86 the whole thing.

I agree. I think it sucks. Fair/foul for HR's is ok. The rest is just a flustercuck.

[faffy42]

Cmon...non cubs...let's..play...add...on...NOW.

[kaldaniels]

Great start from Disco. This is what I expect from him, not necessarily the 0 runs allowed, but the 98 pitches thrown with 68 strikes for 5 strikeouts and 1 walk.

Perfect time to pull a young pitcher. Let him leave on a good note...don't push your luck.

Well it is pushing our luck going to the pen...but I'm talking about Disco.

[villain612]

Man, Lightning better win tomorrow.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds have been screwed by replay.

Great start by DeSclafani! I would pull him. He's right around 100 pitches.

[757690]

Standard for Changing a Call

To change a reviewable call, the Replay Official must determine that there is clear and convincing evidence to change the original call that was made on the field of play. In other words, the original decision of the Umpire shall stand unchanged unless the evidence obtained by the Replay Official leads him to definitively conclude that the call on the field was incorrect.

- That's all I found. I am only curious as I had never heard the "one-shot" rule.

I heard it numerous times when it was instituted last year. They used it to draw comparisons between the NFL's and MLB'a replay. I specifically remembering the announcing crew bringing it up on a specific play where using different angles would have reversed the call. Maybe they got it wrong, maybe it's an unwritten rule, maybe it got changed this year, but I know I heard it numerous times last year.

Now, now,mine could argue that "definitive" means seeing it all on one shot. If you have to approximate when something happened on one shot, onto another shot, that may not be considered definitive. You're using assumptions in that case.

[Tracy Jones]

Reds have been screwed by replay.

Great start by DeSclafani! I would pull him. He's right around 100 pitches.

Yes, because I trust the bullpen to hold this 1-0 lead

[Fil3232]

They're gonna have to cobble the 7th inning together if you figure Hoover 8th, Chapman 9th.

That said, I'd give Disco the first hitter and then bring in lefty to face PH.

[villain612]

Bullpen time.

Buckle up.

[Chuckie]

C'mon, hold it down here Disco. Rain is coming.

[Chuckie]

More bad defense from Frazier. Tough hop, but wow he's been bad.

[RedlegJake]

Tod having a bad night - not all his fault on any of them but not all not his fault either

[Chuckie]

Man on third, one down after the bunt.

[757690]

More bad defense from Frazier. Tough hop, but wow he's been bad.

Trade him. Start Negron at 3B.

[kaldaniels]

96 mph on his 111th pitch. I don't like him in there but yikes.

[OnBaseMachine]

Price left a young starter in too long again. Should have pulled him after 6.

[Chuckie]

Great job Disco. Reds should have scored at least 2 runs for him, not just 1.

Oh well, c'mon now Mattheus.

[Tracy Jones]

If that was Lester jogging off the ESPN crew would have given him a standing O

[kaldaniels]

Price left a young starter in too long again. Should have pulled him after 6.

I don't trust rookies after 100 pitches. It's nice to stretch them out but not in a 1-0 game.

[BCubb2003]

This is the true fireman's relief role.

[Fil3232]

I like how Price managed this. It's not like there's a good choice in the pen.

See how Disco responds in a tough spot against a good team. Should be better for it going forward.

[Tracy Jones]

Price left a young starter in too long again. Should have pulled him after 6.

No

[kaldaniels]

I like how Price managed this. It's not like there's a good choice in the pen.

See how Disco responds in a tough spot against a good team. Should be better for it going forward.

Eh. I think he'd have been better off with 6 IP 0 ER.

A double and a walk doesn't make a pitcher better, other than to teach him it's bad to give up a double and a walk.

[Tom Servo]

Price left a young starter in too long again. Should have pulled him after 6.
And the weird thing is that he yanked him earlier in the year when he was rolling with a bigger lead against Chicago after 97 pitches in favor of putting in Kevin Gregg. Dude almost always does the wrong thing.

[Tracy Jones]

Eh. I think he'd have been better off with 6 IP 0 ER.

A double and a walk doesn't make a pitcher better, other than to teach him it's bad to give up a double and a walk.

There was no evidence that a double and a walk was coming in this inning. He was dominating.

[Tracy Jones]

"Yes! Yes! Yes!" - ESPN

[Chuckie]

Awful. You get up 0-2 and allow a pitch like that? He's lucky it was just a sac fly and not a HR.

Jeez this bullpen sucks.

[Tom Servo]

There was no evidence that a double and a walk was coming in this inning. He was dominating.
Look at how well most pitchers do the third or fourth time through a lineup, along with the effect of having thrown that many pitches.

[RedlegJake]

The fans perspective: the other team always score a man on third, your team never does. I know its false but let me wallow in my anger a while

[BCubb2003]

Remember, the first word in ESPN is Entertainment.

[Chuckie]

Mattheus has some weird ears.

[Fil3232]

Eh. I think he'd have been better off with 6 IP 0 ER.

A double and a walk doesn't make a pitcher better, other than to teach him it's bad to give up a double and a walk.

We need a youth movement but want everything clean and nice. 6IP, 0 ER is shiny. I wanna see what he's got when he's tired against a good team. High leverage reps will absolutely make him better.

[Tracy Jones]

Look at how well most pitchers do the third or fourth time through a lineup, along with the effect of having thrown that many pitches.

93 pitches coming into the 7th. With this pen? I'm riding him another inning and not thinking twice about it. Easy decision.

[Chuckie]

Look at how well most pitchers do the third or fourth time through a lineup, along with the effect of having thrown that many pitches.

If Frazier makes a play on what should have been an out, Disco never gets into trouble.

[Kc61]

Didn't Mattheus pitch two innings yesterday? Wonder why he pitched there, tonight. I might have gone directly to Hoover and hoped for the strikeout.

No huge deal, just second guessing LOL.

[kaldaniels]

93 pitches coming into the 7th. With this pen? I'm riding him another inning and not thinking twice about it. Easy decision.

98. 93, I'd consider it. But it was 98.

[villain612]

I don't hate Disco being left in.

It was a risk no doubt, but with this pen, trying to squeeze out one more inning was a reasonable gamble with how he had been pitching.

[757690]

We need a youth movement but want everything clean and nice. 6IP, 0 ER is shiny. I wanna see what he's got when he's tired against a good team. High leverage reps will absolutely make him better.

It comes down what your goals are. If it's winning the game, then you take them out. It's developing him for the future that you let him pitch.

[Chuckie]

And the weird thing is that he yanked him earlier in the year when he was rolling with a bigger lead against Chicago after 97 pitches in favor of putting in Kevin Gregg. Dude almost always does the wrong thing.

So he's learning from his mistakes. As bad as this bullpen is, I'm cool with leaving a pitcher in the game that is throwing a shutout through 6 innings and has thrown less than 100 pitches.

[Tom Servo]

93 pitches coming into the 7th. With this pen? I'm riding him another inning and not thinking twice about it. Easy decision.
I believe it was 98 pitches, he threw 14 that inning according to MLB.com and finished with 112. As bad as the bullpen may be, I put in a fresh man and let the tiring rookie leave with his head held high.

[kaldaniels]

If Frazier makes a play on what should have been an out, Disco never gets into trouble.


Hard to say a a scorcher with a hop should be an out. High degree of difficulty there, and I wager more often than not, it's a hit.

[Chuckie]

So many tears in Cleveland right now. Warriors starting to run away with it.

[Kc61]

I think it's probably about time now for a call in favor of the Reds to be overturned. Should happen any minute now.

[CySeymour]

Hard to say a a scorcher with a hop should be an out. High degree of difficulty there, and I wager more often than not, it's a hit.

Welcome to Chuckie's world

[Chuckie]

Hard to say a a scorcher with a hop should be an out. High degree of difficulty there, and I wager more often than not, it's a hit.

If you excuse Frazier for the bad hop, I excuse Disco for giving up a "double" due to a bad hop.

[Tracy Jones]

98. 93, I'd consider it. But it was 98.

Whatever. I'm still riding it.

[Chuckie]

Welcome to Chuckie's world

It's way more fun than your world.

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