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Tom Servo
06-18-2015, 03:08 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHzgl-YUkAA750O.jpg

But Joseph is back. :dunno:

CySeymour
06-18-2015, 03:09 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHzgl-YUkAA750O.jpg

Not sure why Price wants to sit both Bruce and Frazier in the same game.

ScotlandRed
06-18-2015, 03:14 PM
I cant even

ScotlandRed
06-18-2015, 03:15 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHzgl-YUkAA750O.jpg

Not sure why Price wants to sit both Bruce or Frazier .

Fixed that.

Rantly
06-18-2015, 03:18 PM
So Todd coming off back-to-back 2 HR games and Jay a 5 hit game, Price is giving them a day off? Assuming no injuries, this might be the single most stupid decision Price has made all year IMO.

ScotlandRed
06-18-2015, 03:20 PM
They play 13 so what? Bruce went 5-6 and Todd 2HR with walk off slam? That doesn't make you tired, that makes you desperate to go out the next day and continue, BP plays 13 goes 1-7 so we will put him in clean up. That is horrible.

CySeymour
06-18-2015, 03:29 PM
Fixed that.

lol thanks.

I understand giving one a night off, that's fine. But why give both a day off during the same game when the team is so thin?

WVRedsFan
06-18-2015, 03:41 PM
Insanity. I got in trouble for using that world last night, but it's like giving the team no chance to win. Verlander is pitching. Bruce is hot again as is Todd. So we march out Dejesus and Dominguez? <smh>

CySeymour
06-18-2015, 03:43 PM
Insanity. I got in trouble for using that world last night, but it's like giving the team no chance to win. Verlander is pitching. Bruce is hot again as is Todd. So we march out Dejesus and Dominguez? <smh>

My other beef is why didn't one sit in Detroit for a game? Let the Reds fans see them play, not the Tigers fans.

villain612
06-18-2015, 03:56 PM
http://baseball.realgm.com/images/mlb/4.2/wiretap/photos/Pryce_Bryan_cin_140424.jpg

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140805031103/walkingdead/images/4/44/Dumb.gif

Rantly
06-18-2015, 03:58 PM
My other beef is why didn't one sit in Detroit for a game? Let the Reds fans see them play, not the Tigers fans.

Yep and he also sat Votto at home

Chip R
06-18-2015, 04:23 PM
So if, as most everyone says, the Reds are out of it and have no chance of getting to the playoffs, why so upset about resting some regulars?

CySeymour
06-18-2015, 04:27 PM
So if, as most everyone says, the Reds are out of it and have no chance of getting to the playoffs, why so upset about resting some regulars?

Why rest 2 of your actual hitters on the same night? I understand they need days off from time to time, but why both on the same night?

villain612
06-18-2015, 04:30 PM
So if, as most everyone says, the Reds are out of it and have no chance of getting to the playoffs, why so upset about resting some regulars?

Well, if they just need someone to manage the team to lose, they can hire me to do that. I'd be more entertaining than "get off my lawn" Price.

Chip R
06-18-2015, 04:32 PM
Why rest 2 of your actual hitters on the same night? I understand they need days off from time to time, but why both on the same night?

But why does it matter if they are out if it?

CySeymour
06-18-2015, 04:34 PM
But why does it matter if they are out if it?

So they shouldn't try to win games at all?


They're playing at home, and their fans are still paying to come see their star players. So why give them both the game off at home?

malcontent
06-18-2015, 04:34 PM
Only a fool sits a guy with four HR in his last two games.

villain612
06-18-2015, 04:36 PM
But why does it matter if they are out if it?

This is fun to watch...

https://redlegnation.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/frazier_hr_0ayne3vh_pyw2r5l2-1.gif

indy_dave00
06-18-2015, 04:37 PM
Bruce has 7 hits in last 10 at bats--- Frazier 4 home runs in last 2 game WTF??

westofyou
06-18-2015, 04:39 PM
Only a fool sits a guy with four HR in his last two games.

Mal, I suppose you are now officially puling your endorsement?

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?103636-Official-Reds-Manager-News-Thread-(Price-confirms-interest)&p=2988294&viewfull=1#post2988294

Larkin Fan
06-18-2015, 04:40 PM
Only a fool sits a guy with four HR in his last two games.

Yeah, talk about a fast way to end a hot streak.

Chip R
06-18-2015, 04:41 PM
So they shouldn't try to win games at all?


They're playing at home, and their fans are still paying to come see their star players. So why give them both the game off at home?

Who says they aren't trying to win? The fans are coming out to see the Cincinnati Reds and the Detroit Tigers. Nowhere on the ticket are you guaranteed to see a specific player.

CySeymour
06-18-2015, 04:42 PM
Who says they aren't trying to win? The fans are coming out to see the Cincinnati Reds and the Detroit Tigers. Nowhere on the ticket are you guaranteed to see a specific player.

Of course not. And if one of them needs a game off, then fine. I'm not saying don't sit either of them, I'm just questioning sitting both of them at the same time.

Rantly
06-18-2015, 04:43 PM
So if, as most everyone says, the Reds are out of it and have no chance of getting to the playoffs, why so upset about resting some regulars?
Bad Argument

Chip R
06-18-2015, 04:51 PM
Bad Argument

OK, how about this: The game didn't get over last night until about 1:30 a.m. They didn't just turn off the TV and go to bed like you and I did. They had to shower, get dressed, get something to eat, talk to the media and go home. I'd be surprised if they got home by 3 a.m. They haven't had a day off since the 28th and they have been playing in 80 degree weather for the last few days. They could have been dragging today. I know I am and I went to bed right after the game was over. No more greenies to pep you up anymore. Even if they came in bright eyed and bushy tailed, maybe this was planned in advance. Votto sat last night. I see a pattern here. Maybe Brandon's sitting tomorrow. Like I said, the Reds are out of it anyway so why does sitting both of them 1 game matter?

westofyou
06-18-2015, 04:52 PM
OK, how about this: The game didn't get over last night until about 1:30 a.m. They didn't just turn off the TV and go to bed like you and I did. They had to shower, get dressed, get something to eat, talk to the media and go home. I'd be surprised if they got home by 3 a.m. They haven't had a day off since the 28th and they have been playing in 80 degree weather for the last few days. They could have been dragging today. I know I am and I went to bed right after the game was over. No more greenies to pep you up anymore. Even if they came in bright eyed and bushy tailed, maybe this was planned in advance. Votto sat last night. I see a pattern here. Maybe Brandon's sitting tomorrow. Like I said, the Reds are out of it anyway so why does sitting both of them 1 game matter?

Baseball is an easy game, see ball hit ball, shoot some beaver.... pound that Budweiser.

Childs play

Tom Servo
06-18-2015, 04:54 PM
Mal, I suppose you are now officially puling your endorsement?

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?103636-Official-Reds-Manager-News-Thread-(Price-confirms-interest)&p=2988294&viewfull=1#post2988294
Hoisted by his own petard.

Rantly
06-18-2015, 05:01 PM
OK, how about this: The game didn't get over last night until about 1:30 a.m. They didn't just turn off the TV and go to bed like you and I did. They had to shower, get dressed, get something to eat, talk to the media and go home. I'd be surprised if they got home by 3 a.m. They haven't had a day off since the 28th and they have been playing in 80 degree weather for the last few days. They could have been dragging today. I know I am and I went to bed right after the game was over. No more greenies to pep you up anymore. Even if they came in bright eyed and bushy tailed, maybe this was planned in advance. Votto sat last night. I see a pattern here. Maybe Brandon's sitting tomorrow. Like I said, the Reds are out of it anyway so why does sitting both of them 1 game matter?
All true but no....you just can't rest Frazier, whether it was planned or not, after hitting 4 in 2.

malcontent
06-18-2015, 05:03 PM
Mal, I suppose you are now officially puling your endorsement?

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?103636-Official-Reds-Manager-News-Thread-(Price-confirms-interest)&p=2988294&viewfull=1#post2988294
Not at all. I hopped off that train about half-way through 2014.

Hey, I've admitted several times that I was 100% wrong on him.

Probably the major reason why he gets on my nerves so much; I used to have more confidence in my physiognomy readings.

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 05:04 PM
LOL Price! Benches the hottest player in MLB.

Of course he does. Of course.

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Dominguez batting 5th. I'm calling the golden sombrero right now for him.

Wait, maybe there's a method to Price's madness. Todd had a pretty demonstrative bat flip last night. Keep him from getting plunked tonight?

Nah, probably just Price being an idiot/overthinking things. You don't bench a guy that's on fire like Frazier. You just don't do it. Find a time when he's not coming off back-to-back 2-HR games to give him a night off.

And no, I don't have tix for tonight's game. ;)

LexRedsFan
06-18-2015, 05:06 PM
This is the stupidest lineup I've ever seen.

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 05:08 PM
This is the stupidest lineup I've ever seen.

All that's missing is Negron and it would be a runaway choice.

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Verlander probably thought someone was playing a joke on him when he saw this lineup. Was probably like, "Seriously, what's their real lineup?"

Raisor
06-18-2015, 05:11 PM
Frazier said he was wasted after the game.

Fwiw

Raisor
06-18-2015, 05:13 PM
Based on 7 day splits, Bruce is hotter than Frazier

Rantly
06-18-2015, 05:15 PM
Based on 7 day splits, Bruce is hotter than Frazier
Just as stupid sitting him

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 05:15 PM
Frazier said he was wasted after the game.

Fwiw

Is he more of a beer or hard liquor guy?

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 05:17 PM
Surprised Miguel Cabrera, Kinsler and Cespedes don't need a night off. How do those guys do it? It's like they're robotic.

Raisor
06-18-2015, 05:20 PM
Question:

If the season is over anyway, what does it matter?

Keep the guys fresh, keep them healthy, shine them up to trade?

villain612
06-18-2015, 05:36 PM
Question:

If the season is over anyway, what does it matter?

Keep the guys fresh, keep them healthy, shine them up to trade?

Wait...they're trading Frazier after all?

Raisor
06-18-2015, 05:38 PM
Look at it this way, they now have the best bench in baseball

westofyou
06-18-2015, 05:40 PM
New drinking game, take a shot every time someone types "stupid" or "idiot"

You'll be wasted 2 hours before the game starts

Raisor
06-18-2015, 05:43 PM
New drinking game, take a shot every time someone types "stupid" or "idiot"

You'll be wasted 2 hours before the game starts

What a stupid idea, idiot.

;)

Kc61
06-18-2015, 05:44 PM
Maybe wait until Price explains why both Frazier and Bruce are out tonight?

ScotlandRed
06-18-2015, 05:55 PM
We've been asking for a strong bench all season now we have one everyone is complaining, Price can't win.

cumberlandreds
06-18-2015, 05:58 PM
So I guess we will be satisfied with a split.............walks away shaking head...........

villain612
06-18-2015, 06:00 PM
Look at it this way, they now have the best bench in baseball

That's brilliant.

Let's move Johnny to the pen too.

malcontent
06-18-2015, 06:00 PM
Hoisted by his own petard.
You're a sly one.

Chip R
06-18-2015, 06:00 PM
All true but no....you just can't rest Frazier, whether it was planned or not, after hitting 4 in 2.

So, if he has a day off he's going to slump? If he's so good a day off won't matter.

Raisor
06-18-2015, 06:11 PM
We have competing game threads.

I think this one is better. Less Chip.

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 06:12 PM
Good to see 2 separate threads for tonight's game in order to accommodate all of the anger.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRx4R_4sVWohwJJdtvPgkUXINxaEh1mG 32fjuYr9hKihb0cSXKI

BCubb2003
06-18-2015, 06:13 PM
Maybe it's better to rest both at once instead of weakening the lineup for two games.

Tom Servo
06-18-2015, 06:14 PM
We have competing game threads.

I think this one is better. Less Chip.
The other game thread is the B Squad Game Thread.

villain612
06-18-2015, 06:15 PM
The other game thread is the B Squad Game Thread.

http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/cm-43589-150ec6b2620564.jpeg

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 06:16 PM
Maybe wait until Price explains why both Frazier and Bruce are out tonight?

Stop it. This kind of stuff is not permitted.

Raisor
06-18-2015, 06:18 PM
Stop it. This kind of stuff is not permitted.

I don't like you all of the time, but when I do like you I like you a lot.

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 06:22 PM
I don't like you all of the time, but when I do like you I like you a lot.

My latest audit has me liking you 73.8% of the time...down from 74.1% prior to the above post.

villain612
06-18-2015, 06:25 PM
My latest audit has me liking you 73.8% of the time...down from 74.1% prior to the above post.

We're gonna need you to do a daily update on your Raisor approval metric.

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 06:27 PM
We're gonna need you to do a daily update on your Raisor approval metric.

Daily?

I was planning on a continuous post by post update.

kbrake
06-18-2015, 06:32 PM
Frazier said he was wasted after the game.

Fwiw

So was I and I'm still here ready to go tonight.

redsmetz
06-18-2015, 06:33 PM
How many times did Dusty put up a line up like this and everyone bellyaches? Then that squad pounded the day lights out of the opposing team.

powersackers
06-18-2015, 06:39 PM
Price is just showing us what a replacement lineup looks like so when we talk about WAR we have a frame of reference.

Eric from NC
06-18-2015, 07:04 PM
Of course not. And if one of them needs a game off, then fine. I'm not saying don't sit either of them, I'm just questioning sitting both of them at the same time.

Resting Votto and Bruce on alternate nights actually makes sense. According to the Fox article today, Bruce is only +1 in Wins Against Replacement. You have to give Frazier a day off sometime. I guess you would have to decide whether to do it today or wait for a daygame later in the week.

redsmetz
06-18-2015, 07:06 PM
Someone going to merge the two threads?

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 07:07 PM
Uh, why is there a delay? Weather.com says it's clear in Cincinnati and will be until 9 p.m. Then from 9-11 there is a very good chance of storms. Then clear from 11 p.m. on.

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 07:09 PM
If Weather.com (Weather Channel) is right and the Reds are wrong, this will look incredibly dense. Reds are saying they expect it to start storming at 7:30 and then last for an hour or more. Weather Channel is saying no rain until 9.

Who you got? Weather.com or the Reds' in-house meteorologist?

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 07:11 PM
I yearn for the days when there needed to be rain for there to be a rain delay.

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 07:13 PM
Looking at the radar, I think the Reds actually made the right call. However, Weather.com is still saying 10 percent rain this hour; only 5 percent from 8-9. Interesting.

faffy42
06-18-2015, 07:20 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...gee whiz beev. Not another rain delay.

Boston Red
06-18-2015, 07:23 PM
Baseball today looks...unlikely.

Raisor
06-18-2015, 07:25 PM
Daily?

I was planning on a continuous post by post update.

I like the cut of your jib

Raisor
06-18-2015, 07:26 PM
Now we know why Frazier and Votto aren't in the lineup. The brass didn't think they'd be playing a game at all. Frazier and Votto might not even be at the ballpark

Red Raindog
06-18-2015, 07:28 PM
I yearn for the days when there needed to be rain for there to be a rain delay.

I believe the the team is in charge until the game starts --- so they can delay as much as they want in this case

androosh
06-18-2015, 07:30 PM
Now we know why Frazier and Votto aren't in the lineup. The brass didn't think they'd be playing a game at all. Frazier and Votto might not even be at the ballparkVotto's batting third; I sure hope he's there :p

westofyou
06-18-2015, 07:31 PM
I believe the the team is in charge until the game starts --- so they can delay as much as they want in this case

Yep, once it starts it's in the Umps court

androosh
06-18-2015, 07:31 PM
I yearn for the days when there needed to be rain for there to be a rain delay.Yeah, I hate this preemptive stuff. Although maybe everyone just wanted a couple extra hours of sleep after last night.

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 07:34 PM
I like the cut of your jib


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtH02InlKP4

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 07:35 PM
I believe the the team is in charge until the game starts --- so they can delay as much as they want in this case

Right, the Reds are in charge until the game starts (whenever that is) and then it's the umpires' call after that. Is even raining yet in Cincinnati? If not, the Reds might have made the wrong choice.

Chuckie
06-18-2015, 07:36 PM
Baseball today looks...unlikely.

Nah, just might be at the park for several hours. Looks clear late this evening (11 p.m. on). With this being the last game between these teams all year, they'll get it in if they can.

EDIT: You might very well be right. Now they're saying rain won't stop until 11:45 p.m. Damn.

Chip R
06-18-2015, 07:36 PM
It is raining in Cincinnati. I blame Raisor.

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 07:37 PM
Right, the Reds are in charge until the game starts (whenever that is) and then it's the umpires' call after that. Is even raining yet in Cincinnati? If not, the Reds might have made the wrong choice.

Rumor has it that Kremcheck's side hobby is meteorology

Edskin
06-18-2015, 07:39 PM
I remember that time when I tuned into a Reds game and it wasn't raining. That was cool.

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 07:41 PM
This is the most that Ken Rosenthal has paid attention to the Reds in like....ever

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/cincinnati-reds-todd-frazier-contract-talks-good-timing-kyle-seager-061815

Edskin
06-18-2015, 07:41 PM
Rain delay activity: best songs with the word "rain" in the title?

We know Raisor will take "It's Raining Men" so that one is probably off the board to start.

Raisor
06-18-2015, 07:43 PM
It is raining in Cincinnati. I blame Raisor.

The whole city cries when I'm not there

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Rain delay activity: best songs with the word "rain" in the title?

We know Raisor will take "It's Raining Men" so that one is probably off the board to start.

Hallelujah!!

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 07:43 PM
Rain delay activity: best songs with the word "rain" in the title?

We know Raisor will take "It's Raining Men" so that one is probably off the board to start.

Kind of fitting...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpBFOJ3R0M4

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 07:48 PM
The only time I can ever justify posting Eddie Rabbitt...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ1GQFtHGxU

_Sir_Charles_
06-18-2015, 07:51 PM
So was I and I'm still here ready to go tonight.

But your OPS makes Negron's look like Mantle's. So you being ready to go isn't really a positive.

redsmetz
06-18-2015, 07:53 PM
The MLB apps on both my phone and my iPad are saying postponed. Is that just what they all it before the gam starts or have they called it already?

Tracy Jones
06-18-2015, 07:55 PM
The MLB apps on both my phone and my iPad are saying postponed. Is that just what they all it before the gam starts or have they called it already?

Nope. Postponed. Crap.

_Sir_Charles_
06-18-2015, 07:55 PM
Yeah, MLB.com says postponed. Clearly, Price had this figured out beforehand.

Ironman92
06-18-2015, 08:15 PM
So if, as most everyone says, the Reds are out of it and have no chance of getting to the playoffs, why so upset about resting some regulars?

Because Reds fans are the most important fan base to the Reds team and he could've rested them in Detroit.

Chip R
06-18-2015, 08:17 PM
The whole city cries when I'm not there


For joy.

WVRedsFan
06-18-2015, 08:19 PM
Clever of the Reds. Missed Verlander and that horrible lineup can be put back in the drawer. Delay it until it rains and then postpone while they had control of it. See, even the club dreaded the lack of offense that was bound to happen...:)

ScotlandRed
06-19-2015, 03:40 AM
Price is a genius.

cumberlandreds
06-19-2015, 07:29 AM
Looks like only three mutual off days for the Reds and Tigers to make this one up. August 3 and 17th or September 17th. Its always been taboo to make up a game just after the All Star game so I don't imagine July 16th will even be considered.

I wonder if Price will give Frazier and Bruce tonight off?

redsmetz
06-19-2015, 09:30 AM
Looks like only three mutual off days for the Reds and Tigers to make this one up. August 3 and 17th or September 17th. Its always been taboo to make up a game just after the All Star game so I don't imagine July 16th will even be considered.

I wonder if Price will give Frazier and Bruce tonight off?

My guess is that it will be the August 3rd date. Detroit plays in Baltimore the day before and then head home for a series. The other games have them coming from further away, although not significantly.