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cumberlandreds
06-29-2015, 01:31 PM
Onward we trudge through this long and winding season. Phillips out, I assume, with hand problems.


https://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/6-29.jpg

TheBigLebowski
06-29-2015, 01:47 PM
Onward we trudge through this long and winding season. Phillips out, I assume, with hand problems.


https://mlblogsramsey.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/6-29.jpg

Lineups will post late today. Price gave them to Suarez to run up there and he bobbled the exchange then handed the card to a hot dog vendor.

ScotlandRed
06-29-2015, 02:59 PM
De Jesus in the 2 hole kills me so much.

_Sir_Charles_
06-29-2015, 03:23 PM
De Jesus in the 2 hole kills me so much.

So you're saying you'll be fine with it in 3 days?

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:04 PM
Good old stat of the day:

SportsNation ‏@SportsNation
Every July 1 from 2011-2035, Bobby Bonilla will collect a $1.1M check from the Mets.

Bonilla hasn't played for the Mets since 2000.

That's a lot of cheddar.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 07:11 PM
Man it breaks my heart to see what's happened to Joe Mauer, at his peak he was future HOFer good.

NebraskaRed
06-29-2015, 07:14 PM
Tune in a few minutes late and the top of the inning was already over. Wow

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 07:16 PM
Good old stat of the day:

SportsNation ‏@SportsNation
Every July 1 from 2011-2035, Bobby Bonilla will collect a $1.1M check from the Mets.

Bonilla hasn't played for the Mets since 2000.

That's a lot of cheddar.

And a great retirement account.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:16 PM
Bunt Billy Bunt! Drag single.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 07:17 PM
That'll do, Billy. That'll do.

ScotlandRed
06-29-2015, 07:18 PM
I knew DeJesus in the two hole was a great idea!!

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 07:21 PM
Good old stat of the day:

SportsNation ‏@SportsNation
Every July 1 from 2011-2035, Bobby Bonilla will collect a $1.1M check from the Mets.

Bonilla hasn't played for the Mets since 2000.

That's a lot of cheddar.

If Bonilla were to pass on prior to 2035, would his next of kin receive the payment?

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:22 PM
DeJesus bloop single, BH to 3rd, Vottomatic BB. Juiced none down for Frazier.

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 07:22 PM
The new video board looks like the monolith from "2001" but we'll probably get used to it.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:23 PM
Frazier single, 1 rbi, 1-0 redlegs!

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 07:23 PM
Frazier is p. good

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:26 PM
Sac fly Bruuce, nice job, 2-0 reds.

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 07:26 PM
Did Thom just have Bruce "steriles"-ing something?

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:27 PM
Did Thom just have Bruce "steriles"-ing something?

Followed by the reds just didn't decide to hit in NY. Had nothing to do w/ the crazy pitching the Mets have. Twit.

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 07:28 PM
Votto is such a selfish player, taking a walk when he could have driven in a run with a groundout. (Is that how this works?)

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 07:29 PM
Tucker delivers the single, 3-0 Redlegs

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:30 PM
Tucker single through the 5.5 hole, rbi, 3-0 redlegs! Amazing how much better these guys look against mere mortal pitching and fastballs topping out at 92 instead of 98. Must be trying harder tonight.

villain612
06-29-2015, 07:32 PM
I hear Chuckie is at the game.

Anyone else want to see Chuckie-rage on tv?

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 07:33 PM
I hear Chuckie is at the game.

Anyone else want to see Chuckie-rage on tv?
He's the one holding the "Votto's knee was an inside job" sign.

50YrRedsFan
06-29-2015, 07:33 PM
If Barnhart keeps hitting, Mesoraco may not get his job back.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 07:34 PM
The new video board looks like the monolith from "2001" but we'll probably get used to it.

http://2001.a-false-flag-odyssey.com/full_frontal_monolith.jpg

villain612
06-29-2015, 07:35 PM
http://2001.a-false-flag-odyssey.com/full_frontal_monolith.jpg

Kubrick rules.

JaxRed
06-29-2015, 07:35 PM
Who was that to the left of Phillips when shown on TV?

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 07:36 PM
I feel like this "Brandon and Jim Day are very close" thing has to be a prolonged comedy bit.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 07:38 PM
Kubrick rules.

My personal favorite is Paths of Glory.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91ql8gVcDDL._SL1500_.jpg

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 07:39 PM
Outs are more important than a run, but an offense will give away an out for a mere base.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 07:39 PM
I feel like this "Brandon and Jim Day are very close" thing has to be a prolonged comedy bit.

As with every bit he does, Thom has beaten it into the ground.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 07:39 PM
Leake not sharp so far.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:40 PM
My personal favorite is Paths of Glory.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91ql8gVcDDL._SL1500_.jpg

Never seen it, will have to put it on my list. Loved Kubrick as well.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 07:49 PM
Billy was a dead duck at third but kicked the ball right out of Plouffe's glove. Nice.

4-1 Redlegs on a De Jesus chopper over the drawn-in infield.

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 07:49 PM
Another Run Billied In.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 07:51 PM
Never seen it, will have to put it on my list. Loved Kubrick as well.

Kirk Douglas as a colonel in the French Army during World War I who serves as counsel for the defense in a court martial of three soldiers. (In civilian life, his character is the foremost defense attorney in France.)

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 07:53 PM
Billy was a dead duck at third but kicked the ball right out of Plouffe's glove. Nice.

4-1 Redlegs on a De Jesus chopper over the drawn-in infield.

The advantage of sliding feet first.

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 07:54 PM
I personally can't get enough of Full Metal Jacket

9357

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:54 PM
The advantage of sliding feet first.

Not even to mention how many times in the last 2 yrs. that he's hurt his hands/wrists. Have to believe that's affected his hitting as well.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 07:57 PM
I've probably seen FMJ 100 times. Just amazing.

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 08:00 PM
I've probably seen FMJ 100 times. Just amazing.

To me, Apocalypse Now! is the gold standard for Vietnam War films, but FMJ has to be a close 2nd.

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:01 PM
Leake strikes out the side.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:02 PM
Leake strikes out the side.
Now he's sharp.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 08:04 PM
Now he's sharp.

As is Bruuce, nice double!

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:04 PM
To me, Apocalypse Now! is the gold standard for Vietnam War films, but FMJ has to be a close 2nd.

Apocalypse Now, a.k.a. Joseph Conrad Goes to Southeast Asia.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:05 PM
To me, Apocalypse Now! is the gold standard for Vietnam War films, but FMJ has to be a close 2nd.

Red rum....red rum... my favorite kubrick : )

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:06 PM
I love pretty much all of Kubrick's work....but I'm a horror guy, so The Shining is my fave...

https://media0.giphy.com/media/YJDKRQN76wdt6/200_s.gif

Banshee
06-29-2015, 08:07 PM
Red rum....red rum... my favorite kubrick : )

Love that as well, but Spartacus has to be the champion film to me.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:07 PM
I do think the losses to the Mets were just a hiccup. They could have easily won the series. Looks like they might get the results today that gives them a win.


BTW....why is Mike Leake trade fodder? Isn't he the perfect player to be a RED for one more contract? He's not going to cost in the Top-50 of MLB pitching contracts, yet he'll give the REDS 200 solid innings while helping out at the plate. He's not likely to be injured (see Homer Bailey) as his pitches don't tend to put that type of stress on the arm. Seems like a perfect pitcher to be a solid part of the REDS' organization. He's not going to command enough in return for what he gives the REDS.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:08 PM
Now he's sharp.

Leake didn't want to get the Servo kiss of death.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:08 PM
That Tucker is so hot right now.

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:08 PM
Is that Tucker Barnhart or George Brett? Very effective hitting to left tonight.

NebraskaRed
06-29-2015, 08:08 PM
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt
Jay Bruce is now batting .395/.438/.721 with 5-2B, 3 HR, and 10 RBI over last 14 days.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:09 PM
Holy crap...what team is this?

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:09 PM
Manos de Piedra follows with a 2 RBI double. Nice!

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:09 PM
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt
Jay Bruce is now batting .395/.438/.721 with 5-2B, 3 HR, and 10 RBI over last 14 days.

What's he done over his last two PA's?

Banshee
06-29-2015, 08:09 PM
Suarez may not be hot w/ the glove, but that bat will work! 2 rbi double, reds running Pelfrey out of the building. 7-1

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:10 PM
That's why you let Suarez play through his struggles.

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 08:10 PM
What is this black magic??? Runs in an interleague game. For the Reds. Whaaaaaaaaat?

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:10 PM
lol dis offense

http://cdn.meme.am/images/1259583.jpg

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:10 PM
I love pretty much all of Kubrick's work....but I'm a horror guy, so The Shining is my fave...

https://media0.giphy.com/media/YJDKRQN76wdt6/200_s.gif

Ironically, Stephen King hated Stanley Kubrick's version of The Shining.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:10 PM
This REDS team is fun to watch (over the last 22 games).

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:11 PM
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt
Jay Bruce is now batting .395/.438/.721 with 5-2B, 3 HR, and 10 RBI over last 14 days.
He really looked fine in the Mets series as well even if the results weren't there, only 1 strikeout and a lot of hard hit balls.

Stray
06-29-2015, 08:11 PM
Keep pouring it on

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 08:11 PM
Stop the trade talks -- there's still hope!

Chip R
06-29-2015, 08:11 PM
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt
Jay Bruce is now batting .395/.438/.721 with 5-2B, 3 HR, and 10 RBI over last 14 days.

Can't understand that since he had last Monday off.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:12 PM
Ironically, Stephen King hated Stanley Kubrick's version of The Shining.

Yeah...I've read pretty much every article ever written about that film. Haha

I love Stephen King but he should stick to writing books. Film is a completely different kind of medium. That remake he produced was garbage.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:12 PM
Coaching visit to the mound...

"This Leake guy can hit, so be careful with him. We don't need to be down by more than six."

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:13 PM
Manos de Piedra follows with a 2 RBI double. Nice!

Roberto Duran plays for the Reds?

http://panama-tourism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Roberto-Duran-joven-300dpi.jpg

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:14 PM
Roberto Duran was awesome. Good memories of my youth watching him fight.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:14 PM
I'm not really shocked by this, Mike Pelfrey has always been pretty lousy.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 08:15 PM
BB to Billy. Run Billy Run?

NebraskaRed
06-29-2015, 08:15 PM
Yeah...I've read pretty much every article ever written about that film. Haha

I love Stephen King but he should stick to writing books. Film is a completely different kind of medium. That remake he produced was garbage.

He did his own mini-series version of The Shining and it was horrible

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:16 PM
He did his own mini-series version of The Shining and it was horrible

Yeah that's what I was referring to.

Never watching that one again.

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 08:17 PM
Did someone mention Duran?

9358

NebraskaRed
06-29-2015, 08:18 PM
I'd like to see Billy steal third here

Chip R
06-29-2015, 08:18 PM
That's why you let Suarez play through his struggles.

I don't think there's any doubt you let him play through his struggles - it's not like they have much of a choice. But I think the voices calling for him to replace Cozart have been muted somewhat by Suarez' performance - or lack thereof - and also by Cozart hitting well.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 08:18 PM
Reds putting a bit of the ole' ultra violence on the twinkies tonight.

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 08:18 PM
Stealing with a six-run lead is acceptable if you have the Reds bullpen.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:18 PM
Billy would steal a million bases a year if he could get on base at a really good clip.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:20 PM
Reds putting a bit of the ole' ultra violence on the twinkies tonight.

2nd favorite kube

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 08:21 PM
Suarez, DeJesus and Pena are the start of a very nice bench in 2016. The Reds really need a LH "professional hitter" type that can play the OF and probably YRod to round out that bench. Mez in LF and Tucker behind the plate isn't a bad solution. I'm bullish on this team in 2016 provided the Reds get an ace type (Daniel Norris) and a bullpen pitcher to use in high leverage situations for Cueto.

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:22 PM
Even Danny Graves might be able to hold onto this lead.

Nah.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:22 PM
This fun...its been awhile.

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 08:22 PM
Votto was trying to hit a sac fly but failed.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:22 PM
How did De Jesus not get to third on that? Should have been a nice double for Joey's .SLG.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:23 PM
Did someone mention Duran?

9358

http://coolinthe80s.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/duran_duran_1.jpg

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:23 PM
This game so far....

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1328373_o.gif

I like this offense.

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 08:23 PM
Amazing what happens when every single player in the first 3 spots in the lineup get on base, isn't it? Nine runs and no home runs (yet).

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:24 PM
Jeez, ump really giving the kid some breaks this frame.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:24 PM
Did someone mention Duran?

9358

He looks hungry, like the wolf

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 08:24 PM
This game so far....

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1328373_o.gif

I like this offense.

That's a movie that I've seen once, really enjoyed it, and I'm glad I never have to watch it again. Very difficult to watch as a sane, sober person.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:25 PM
Frazier's human.

NebraskaRed
06-29-2015, 08:26 PM
Guys, we're still in the third inning.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:28 PM
9 runs in the first 3 innings.

Bryan Price is a genius.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 08:28 PM
That's a movie that I've seen once, really enjoyed it, and I'm glad I never have to watch it again. Very difficult to watch as a sane, sober person.

Easy to watch as an insane, non-sober person. In college me and me droogies watched it like the Zapruder film. :evil:

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:28 PM
I hope we score another 12 runs tonight and get to as many of the Twins' Relievers as they're willing to put in.

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 08:30 PM
@jluckhaupt
#Reds have 5 left on base through 3 innings.

Chip R
06-29-2015, 08:30 PM
I love pretty much all of Kubrick's work....but I'm a horror guy, so The Shining is my fave..

Gotta say mine is Dr. Strangelove.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:32 PM
leake y u do dis

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:32 PM
Eyes Wide Shut is a very underrated movie.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:33 PM
This game so far....

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1328373_o.gif

I like this offense.

I had not cut into any of Dim's main cables and so, with the help of a clean tashtook, the red, red krovvy soon stopped, and it did not take long to quieten the two wounded soldiers, down in the snug of the Duke of New York. Now they knew who was Master and Leader. Sheep, thought I, but a real leader knows always when like to give and show generous to his unders.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:35 PM
Alright Leake....get it together dude.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:36 PM
Gotta say mine is Dr. Strangelove.

https://d12vb6dvkz909q.cloudfront.net/uploads/galleries/32686/dr_strangelove_1.jpg

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:36 PM
leake y u do dis

I'll take his 3.88 ERA and 200 Innings pitched all day, every day. He's the only Starter who hasn't been hurt or released on this team.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:37 PM
Eyes Wide Shut is a very underrated movie.

I'm afraid I can't show any scenes from that one. ;)

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:39 PM
jesus christ

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:40 PM
I hope we score another 12 runs tonight and get to as many of the Twins' Relievers as they're willing to put in.

We may need another 12... geez leake what do you want???

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:40 PM
There are no laughers.
:(

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 08:41 PM
Barry Lyndon shows up on a lot of critics' favorites lists. I've never seen it myself.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:41 PM
Leake's just letting the Twins think that they have a chance so that they'll burn more Relievers trying to keep the game close.

He's setting up the rest of the series.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:42 PM
Eyes Wide Shut is a very underrated movie.

Agreed...the mood and soundtrack is perfect.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:43 PM
Barry Lyndon shows up on a lot of critics' favorites lists. I've never seen it myself.

Just a really fun goofball period piece.

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 08:43 PM
Leake's just letting the Twins think that they have a chance so that they'll burn more Relievers trying to keep the game close.

He's setting up the rest of the series.

I was hoping for position players pitching.

NebraskaRed
06-29-2015, 08:43 PM
Barry Lyndon shows up on a lot of critics' favorites lists. I've never seen it myself.

I've tried watching it twice, and couldn't make it all the way through.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:43 PM
This is why you don't pay a pitcher like Mike Leake 10 mill + a year.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:44 PM
Barry Lyndon shows up on a lot of critics' favorites lists. I've never seen it myself.

Good one...quite long though.

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 08:44 PM
Not locating. Get the ball down, Mike.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:44 PM
Barry Lyndon shows up on a lot of critics' favorites lists. I've never seen it myself.

That's the one Kubrick film I still need to see.

You ever read about his Napoleon film project that never materialized? It was going to be a war epic about the main man himself. I can't recall what the issue was with the studio that derailed it, I think maybe budgetary concerns...so he did Barry Lyndon instead.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:44 PM
Did someone mention Duran?

9358

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article8560031.ece/alternates/w620/durand-rex.jpg

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:45 PM
Pure awful.

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 08:45 PM
Jesus...

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:45 PM
Lol leake...you suck

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:45 PM
This is why you don't pay a pitcher like Mike Leake 10 mill + a year.

And, what are the chances of him losing this game or having our bullpen work more than necessary.

Nada. You're over-reacting.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:46 PM
Agreed...the mood and soundtrack is perfect.

I can't bring myself to watch Tom Cruise in anything anymore.

KYRedsFan
06-29-2015, 08:46 PM
Awful. Get him out of here

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:46 PM
http://jerryjonestownmassacre.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/20140226-105217.jpg

NebraskaRed
06-29-2015, 08:46 PM
What the...

Red Raindog
06-29-2015, 08:46 PM
better kick another field goal and quick

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:46 PM
This is so 2015 reds though...its not unsual unfortunately

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:46 PM
Leake is a solid #3 pitcher who at the end of the year can be counted on 200 innings and an above-average performance.

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 08:47 PM
Awful. Get him out of here

It's too late to trade him.

ScotlandRed
06-29-2015, 08:47 PM
If this guy wasn't named Mike Leake we would be calling for this guy to be cut. He's been pretty terrible this season.

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 08:47 PM
Apparently, Price thinks the third out is just going to occur magically.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 08:47 PM
I can't bring myself to watch Tom Cruise in anything anymore.

Not even the MI's??

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:47 PM
This would be the most classic Cincinnati Reds 2015 loss of them all. Let's not go there.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:47 PM
Awful. Get him out of here

Let him keep pitching.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:47 PM
I'm gonna ignore this Mike Leake implosion and keep talking Kubrick.

Donder
06-29-2015, 08:47 PM
Leake doesn't want to be traded.

WrongVerb
06-29-2015, 08:48 PM
This is where the team misses a Lecure type in the pen. Not that Lecure would be good this year, but in the past you'd bring him in and he'd toss 3 effective innings to shut down the opposition. Cingrani could do it but obviously he's out. There's no one else in the pen that could do it right now.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 08:48 PM
Leake is a solid #3 pitcher who at the end of the year can be counted on 200 innings and an above-average performance.
I don't know about the #3 thing, I don't put much stock into those things, but I agree with your second part. He's still not worth $10+ million annually though.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:49 PM
If this guy wasn't named Mike Leake we would be calling for this guy to be cut. He's been pretty terrible this season.

He had a 3.88 ERA coming into the game. He just beat a pitcher of a team who was 11-2 and were 2nd in our Division last week.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:49 PM
http://cdn2.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/tumblr_mas91k5FbX1r9iyl8o1_40011.gif

Gandalf the Red
06-29-2015, 08:49 PM
Leake doesn't want to be traded.

He's obviously decided he can't live without LaRosa's.

(I'm not completely unsympathetic.)

OnBaseMachine
06-29-2015, 08:50 PM
The decision by De Jesus to hold at second to keep from pouring it on is looking even more puzzling now.

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 08:50 PM
I don't know about the #3 thing, I don't put much stock into those things, but I agree with your second part. He's still not worth $10+ million annually though.

Not for us. Maybe for some other clubs (I hope).

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:51 PM
I don't know about the #3 thing, I don't put much stock into those things, but I agree with your second part. He's still not worth $10+ million annually though.

#3 would mean, that with 30 teams in the league, there might be 60 Starters better who are #1 and #2 (some team's #3 and some teams #1) on average.

He's the 75th to 60th best Starter on average every season and will continue to be for the next five seasons. That's a solid #3.

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:51 PM
I'm lost on the need for the second video board.

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 08:52 PM
For those who haven't seen this dog-n-pony show before, this is the part where the Reds stop doing anything offensively and the Twins win something along the lines of 12-9.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:53 PM
This is where the team misses a Lecure type in the pen. Not that Lecure would be good this year, but in the past you'd bring him in and he'd toss 3 effective innings to shut down the opposition. Cingrani could do it but obviously he's out. There's no one else in the pen that could do it right now.

We should see Cingrani after the All-Star break, so some help is on the way....in a few weeks.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 08:53 PM
Make it stop, Leake doesn't have it tonight.

9360

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 08:53 PM
I'm lost on the need for the second video board.

I hate it. Takes away from the only worthwhile view the stadium featured. So jealous of places like SF and PIT.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:53 PM
For those who haven't seen this dog-n-pony show before, this is the part where the Reds stop doing anything offensively and the Twins win something along the lines of 12-9.

14-11 REDS.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:53 PM
I am glad my emotional investment into this season evaporated a while ago or else I'd probably be having Chuckie-rage right now.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 08:55 PM
Not even the MI's??

The only movies I can tolerate:

Taps
Risky Business
All the Right Moves
Top Gun
Cocktail (Elisabeth Shue...ahhh....)
Mission Impossible (the first one)
Rock of Ages (only because of the music)

Almost all of them are movies from before Tom Cruise went crazy.

Kc61
06-29-2015, 08:56 PM
This is where the team misses a Lecure type in the pen. Not that Lecure would be good this year, but in the past you'd bring him in and he'd toss 3 effective innings to shut down the opposition. Cingrani could do it but obviously he's out. There's no one else in the pen that could do it right now.

Sam Lecure hasn't been a three inning pitcher in quite a few years.

ScotlandRed
06-29-2015, 08:56 PM
Leake forgot how to hit this season first.

KronoRed
06-29-2015, 08:57 PM
Not even the MI's??

Those movies are garbage before he even enters the discussion.

NebraskaRed
06-29-2015, 08:57 PM
Leake is out, Ad**** is in

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:58 PM
I am glad my emotional investment into this season evaporated a while ago or else I'd probably be having Chuckie-rage right now.

Mine evaporated before the season began, so this unexpected good play the last month has been fun to watch.

KronoRed
06-29-2015, 08:58 PM
The only movies I can tolerate:

Taps
Risky Business
All the Right Moves
Top Gun
Cocktail (Elisabeth Shue...ahhh....)
Mission Impossible (the first one)
Rock of Ages (only because of the music)

Almost all of them are movies from before Tom Cruise went crazy.
Valkyrie isn't bad, get to see him shot ;)

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:58 PM
The only movies I can tolerate:

Taps
Risky Business
All the Right Moves
Top Gun
Cocktail (Elisabeth Shue...ahhh....)
Mission Impossible (the first one)
Rock of Ages (only because of the music)

Almost all of them are movies from before Tom Cruise went crazy.

Ahhh c'mon, .everyone loves this one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWSx0bBiNIs

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 08:59 PM
Does anyone think 9 runs is enough?

Banshee
06-29-2015, 08:59 PM
Sam Lecure hasn't been a three inning pitcher in quite a few years.

Pregame radio today Ted Power said Sam's velocity is finally back and that he's just a step or 2 from being all the way back. Hope he's correct, the reds sure could use an arrival from L'ville that could make a difference.

villain612
06-29-2015, 08:59 PM
Does anyone think 9 runs is enough?

No.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 08:59 PM
Valkyrie isn't bad, get to see him shot ;)

I can't stand Tom Cruise's acting. Never could stomach it. But, Valkyrie was pretty good.

KronoRed
06-29-2015, 08:59 PM
Does anyone think 9 runs is enough?

Nope.

Chip R
06-29-2015, 09:00 PM
I hate it. Takes away from the only worthwhile view the stadium featured. So jealous of places like SF and PIT.

Agreed. But people who sit in LF will like it.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 09:01 PM
I am glad my emotional investment into this season evaporated a while ago or else I'd probably be having Chuckie-rage right now.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/ChuckyDoll.jpg

KYRedsFan
06-29-2015, 09:01 PM
I'm lost on the need for the second video board.

Kinda tough to see the main one from left field seats

Eric from NC
06-29-2015, 09:02 PM
I hate it. Takes away from the only worthwhile view the stadium featured. So jealous of places like SF and PIT.

I agree I can hardly see any of the river, which was a cool view when going to the park. I guess that is the way things are going. My local paper picked up an article by a Chicago area architect who hates the video board at Wrigley because it completely dwarfs the centerfield scoreboard that was the focal point to the park with teams flags ect.

The tyranny of the ADD millennials continues.

villain612
06-29-2015, 09:02 PM
I like the Mission: Impossible movies, except for Part 2 - that one was garbage.

I think Part 3 was the best. Philip Seymour Hoffman was a terrifying villain. Plus that bridge scene - whoa.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:02 PM
If you're at the stadium, this is a 5-beer game. (Someone else driving, or you took public transportation, of course).

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 09:02 PM
Valkyrie isn't bad, get to see him shot ;)

I'll have to check it out. ;)

faffy42
06-29-2015, 09:02 PM
The only movies I can tolerate:

Taps
Risky Business
All the Right Moves
Top Gun
Cocktail (Elisabeth Shue...ahhh....)
Mission Impossible (the first one)
Rock of Ages (only because of the music)

Almost all of them are movies from before Tom Cruise went crazy.

Uhm...are you saying you do or don't like tom cruise movies : )

Gandalf the Red
06-29-2015, 09:02 PM
Pregame radio today Ted Power said Sam's velocity is finally back and that he's just a step or 2 from being all the way back. Hope he's correct, the reds sure could use an arrival from L'ville that could make a difference.

It'd be a cooler story if Sam said Ted's velocity was finally back and that he's just a step or 2 from being all the way back.

KronoRed
06-29-2015, 09:03 PM
I'm lost on the need for the second video board.

Keeping up with the neighbors type thing, other stadiums have it so the Reds have to have one.

villain612
06-29-2015, 09:04 PM
The tyranny of the ADD millennials continues.

It's Bob's stadium.

Blame Baby Boomer greed.

Kc61
06-29-2015, 09:05 PM
Pregame radio today Ted Power said Sam's velocity is finally back and that he's just a step or 2 from being all the way back. Hope he's correct, the reds sure could use an arrival from L'ville that could make a difference.

Sure, Sam will fix this.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 09:05 PM
Who the hell wants Thom Brennaman's autograph?

villain612
06-29-2015, 09:06 PM
Who the hell wants Thom Brennaman's autograph?

Thom Brennaman

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:07 PM
#3 would mean, that with 30 teams in the league, there might be 60 Starters better who are #1 and #2 (some team's #3 and some teams #1) on average.

He's the 75th to 60th best Starter on average every season and will continue to be for the next five seasons. That's a solid #3.

He's a career 99 ERA+ pitcher with mediocre stuff who has thrown 200+ innings exactly once in 5 years. Poor man's Arroyo.

He's back of rotation filler. His one positive is durability.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 09:07 PM
Nice rifle from Tucker.

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 09:08 PM
Not the best tag by MdP.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:08 PM
Thom Brennaman

Amy Brennaman?

villain612
06-29-2015, 09:08 PM
He's a career 99 ERA+ pitcher with mediocre stuff who has thrown 200+ innings exactly once in 5 years. Poor man's Arroyo.

He's back of rotation filler. His one positive is durability.

Pretty much this.

marcshoe
06-29-2015, 09:09 PM
The only movies I can tolerate:

Taps
Risky Business
All the Right Moves
Top Gun
Cocktail (Elisabeth Shue...ahhh....)
Mission Impossible (the first one)
Rock of Ages (only because of the music)

Almost all of them are movies from before Tom Cruise went crazy.

Well, technically he went crazy in Taps.

I liked The Outsiders, but Cruise's character was unlikable, so there's that. I'd also add A Few Good Men.

Honestly, as annoying as Tom Cruise is, I like quite a few of his movies.

Hoosier Red
06-29-2015, 09:09 PM
I hate it when people say certain performances are "unacceptable" because it's not like the guys trying to suck.
But that's just brutal from Leake. On a day when the manager really needed innings out of the starter, and the offense staked him to a 9-1 lead.....

The only word I can think of is, well unacceptable.

marcshoe
06-29-2015, 09:09 PM
Who the hell wants Thom Brennaman's autograph?

Joe Buck.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:09 PM
He's a career 99 ERA+ pitcher with mediocre stuff who has thrown 200+ innings exactly once in 5 years. Poor man's Arroyo.

He's back of rotation filler. His one positive is durability.

Back of the rotation stuff are players who are up and down from the minors to the majors or who can't stay with a team for more than one or two years.

He's above average. There are not 75 pitchers better than Leake right now who have the stats to prove it.

Hoosier Red
06-29-2015, 09:10 PM
Has anyone successfully stolen a bag off him yet? Criminy, you'd think word would've gotten around.

KYRedsFan
06-29-2015, 09:10 PM
Taking their time. Video didn't show much

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:11 PM
Pretty much this.

Would you say he was a successful draft pick? Considering he was drafted 8th overall?

RedTeamGo!
06-29-2015, 09:11 PM
Well, technically he went crazy in Taps. I'd also add A Few Good Men.

I liked The Outsiders, but Cruise's character was unlikable, so there's that.

A Few Good Men is excellent, watched it last night.

I also enjoy Minority Report, Vanilla Sky, and Edge of Tomorrow. I'm sure there are more, he has made a lot of entertaining movies.

Chip R
06-29-2015, 09:12 PM
I thought there was supposed to be a time limit on replays. Obviously not.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 09:12 PM
Uhm...are you saying you do or don't like tom cruise movies : )

No... :)

Taps: Sean Penn, George C. Scott
Risky Business: Rebecca DeMornay
ATRM: high school football, Craig T. Nelson
Top Gun: Well, OK
Cocktail: Elisabeth Shue (ahhh....)
Mission Impossible: Ving Rhames, Jean Reno
ROA: music

KYRedsFan
06-29-2015, 09:12 PM
Bush

RedTeamGo!
06-29-2015, 09:13 PM
Would you say he was a successful draft pick? Considering he was drafted 8th overall?

Absolutely. Many 1st round picks don't even make it to the majors, not to mention stick like Leake has.

Tom Servo
06-29-2015, 09:13 PM
Would you say he was a successful draft pick? Considering he was drafted 8th overall?
Yes. We got a lot out of him. He's still not worth paying $10+ million annually for the Reds.

villain612
06-29-2015, 09:13 PM
Tom Cruise flicks I dig that haven't been listed yet:

The Last Samurai
Jerry McGuire
Minority Report
War of the Worlds
Interview With the Vampire
The Firm
Born On the 4th of July

Dude has had a solid career. I don't really care if he's nuts.

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 09:13 PM
I hate it. Takes away from the only worthwhile view the stadium featured. So jealous of places like SF and PIT.

Kentucky needs more skyscrapers.

Chip R
06-29-2015, 09:13 PM
Has anyone successfully stolen a bag off him yet? Criminy, you'd think word would've gotten around.

Now they have. Get rid of Adcock. He's hot garbage.

RedTeamGo!
06-29-2015, 09:14 PM
No...

Taps: Sean Penn, George C. Scott
ATRM: high school football, Craig T. Nelson
Top Gun: Well, OK
Cocktail: Elisabeth Shue (ahhh....)
Mission Impossible: Ving Rhames, Jean Reno
ROA: music


You're honestly going to pretend you like Mission Impossible because of Ving Rhames (lol!) and Jean Reno only? Come on na.

757690
06-29-2015, 09:14 PM
This season the umps have been very inconsistent on what is considered "clear and convincing evidence."

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:16 PM
Back of the rotation stuff are players who are up and down from the minors to the majors or who can't stay with a team for more than one or two years.

He's above average. There are not 75 pitchers better than Leake right now who have the stats to prove it.

If your 3rd best starter is Mike Leake quality, then you don't have a very good starting staff. He was great when he was the Reds #4 and #5, because yes, he was better than most #4 and #5 starters in the league.

But a #3? No way. Not if you're serious about winning pennants.

Chip R
06-29-2015, 09:16 PM
Suzuki got himself out on that pitch.

villain612
06-29-2015, 09:17 PM
Would you say he was a successful draft pick? Considering he was drafted 8th overall?

I have to agree with what the others said.

Successful pick. Wouldn't pay him after this season.

Banshee
06-29-2015, 09:17 PM
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 9m9 minutes ago
Mike Leake is only #Reds pitcher since 2010 to pitch a complete inning AND give up 6+ runs in the inning. He's now done it 3 times.
Joel Luckhaupt ‏@jluckhaupt 7m7 minutes ago
I don't know what that means, but the previous pitcher to do it (Complete inning & 6+ runs) for the #Reds was Paul Janish in 2009.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:17 PM
Leake is currently 28th in MLB in ERA+.

Leake was 31st in MLB in ERA+ in 2014.

Leake was 22nd in MLB in ERA+ in 2013.

Leake was 37th in MLB in ERA+ in 2012 (#5 on the REDS).

Leake was 30th in MLB in ERA+ in 2011 (#1 on the REDS).



Got any other stats on Leake, Mr. Jones, you want to toss out there?

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:17 PM
Yes. We got a lot out of him. He's still not worth paying $10+ million annually for the Reds.

Agreed. And $10 mil per would be my limit.

If they went 3/30 or something similar for him, I wouldn't be upset.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 09:19 PM
A Few Good Men is excellent, watched it last night.

I also enjoy Minority Report, Vanilla Sky, and Edge of Tomorrow. I'm sure there are more, he has made a lot of entertaining movies.

True story: I've never seen A Few Good Men.

I did see Minority Report on TV. It was OK, but I like Max von Sydow.

I saw saw MI2 once, but I can't remember anything about it except that Thandie Newton (ahhh...) was in it. I successfully purged everything else from my memory.

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:19 PM
Leake is currently 28th in MLB in ERA+.

Leake was 31st in MLB in ERA+ in 2014.

Leake was 22nd in MLB in ERA+ in 2013.

Leake was 37th in MLB in ERA+ in 2012 (#5 on the REDS).

Leake was 30th in MLB in ERA+ in 2011 (#1 on the REDS).



Got any other stats on Leake, Mr. Jones, you want to toss out there?

He's a career below league average pitcher who despite never landing on the DL (that I can remember) has only managed 200 innings once. Those are the only stats that matter Mr. Point.

Filler.

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 09:20 PM
I agree I can hardly see any of the river, which was a cool view when going to the park. I guess that is the way things are going. My local paper picked up an article by a Chicago area architect who hates the video board at Wrigley because it completely dwarfs the centerfield scoreboard that was the focal point to the park with teams flags ect.

The tyranny of the ADD millennials continues.

Totally agree with that. Last game I watched at Wrigley, it totally detracts from the old, classic CF scoreboard.

- - - Updated - - -




The tyranny of the ADD millennials continues.

And what do they care about a scoreboard, anyway? They're all looking down at smartphones. :p

KronoRed
06-29-2015, 09:20 PM
True story: I've never seen A Few Good Men.


:eek:

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:21 PM
If your 3rd best starter is Mike Leake quality, then you don't have a very good starting staff. He was great when he was the Reds #4 and #5, because yes, he was better than most #4 and #5 starters in the league.

But a #3? No way. Not if you're serious about winning pennants.

A #3 is going to be a #4 or #5 when you have a great pitching staff, and he's going to be your #1 or #2 when you have a bad pitching staff. You can count on Leake to deliver 200 solid innings when every other Starter is either too young to be counted on, too expensive (2015 version of Cueto), or too hurt (pick your year of Bailey, Cueto, Latos, etc.) to be counted on.

Leake is highly undervalued by REDS' fans, but I guarantee you that he's loved by the Managers and Coaches.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:22 PM
He's a career below league average pitcher who despite never landing on the DL (that I can remember) has only managed 200 innings once. Those are the only stats that matter Mr. Point.

Filler.

What are the only stats that matter? You didn't post any. Or, am I supposed to just imagine some that you were thinking?

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:22 PM
I have to agree with what the others said.

Successful pick. Wouldn't pay him after this season.

Yep.

Although like I said, I wouldn't be upset with a 3/30 deal for him, considering his age, performance, and the going rate for veteran starters.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:23 PM
Yes. We got a lot out of him. He's still not worth paying $10+ million annually for the Reds.

An outing like today may have dropped his price.

jojo
06-29-2015, 09:24 PM
The only movies I can tolerate:

Taps
Risky Business
All the Right Moves
Top Gun
Cocktail (Elisabeth Shue...ahhh....)
Mission Impossible (the first one)
Rock of Ages (only because of the music)

Almost all of them are movies from before Tom Cruise went crazy.

You don't like "A Few Good Men"?

faffy42
06-29-2015, 09:24 PM
No...

Taps: Sean Penn, George C. Scott
Risky Business: Rebecca DeMornay
ATRM: high school football, Craig T. Nelson
Top Gun: Well, OK
Cocktail: Elisabeth Shue (ahhh....)
Mission Impossible: Ving Rhames, Jean Reno
ROA: music

Okay...How about top gun: tom skeritt...to make it complete cruiseless.

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:24 PM
A #3 is going to be a #4 or #5 when you have a great pitching staff, and he's going to be your #1 or #2 when you have a bad pitching staff. You can count on Leake to deliver 200 solid innings when every other Starter is either too young to be counted on, too expensive (2015 version of Cueto), or too hurt (pick your year of Bailey, Cueto, Latos, etc.) to be counted on.

Leake is highly undervalued by REDS' fans, but I guarantee you that he's loved by the Managers and Coaches.

He's a career 99 ERA+ pitcher who has thrown 200 innings once in 5 years

No stats?

Gandalf the Red
06-29-2015, 09:25 PM
True story: I've never seen A Few Good Men.

We may not be able to handle that truth.

jojo
06-29-2015, 09:25 PM
Would you say he was a successful draft pick? Considering he was drafted 8th overall?

Leake was a wildly successful pick.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 09:26 PM
You're honestly going to pretend you like Mission Impossible because of Ving Rhames (lol!) and Jean Reno only? Come on na.

Hey! What does Marcellus Wallace look like? :cool:

BluegrassRedleg
06-29-2015, 09:26 PM
Tori Hunter, professional ball player.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 09:28 PM
Okay...How about top gun: tom skeritt...to make it complete cruiseless.

Good one! ;)

Also Michael Ironside and Val Kilmer.

Chip R
06-29-2015, 09:28 PM
If Billy played in the 19th century, he might never make an out since a ball that initially lands fair is fair even if it goes foul.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 09:28 PM
You don't like "A Few Good Men"?

I've never seen it. (See above)

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:29 PM
He's a career 99 ERA+ pitcher who has thrown 200 innings once in 5 years

No stats?

And you are using ERA+ as an example, so I responded that his ERA+ was 22nd in MLB to 37th in MLB every year (I'll do the math for you. There are 30 teams, so that makes him better in that stat than all but 8 #1 pitchers and better than every #2 pitcher but 7 teams in ERA+ every season). Like I said,....do you have any stats that support your stating that he's not at least an above average #3 pitcher? The one you posted doesn't do it.

BCubb2003
06-29-2015, 09:30 PM
If Billy played in the 19th century, he might never make an out since a ball that initially lands fair is fair even if it goes foul.

The fielders might have to deploy a cricket-style defense.

Chip R
06-29-2015, 09:32 PM
The fielders might have to deploy a cricket-style defense.

They would have to play in fair territory.

villain612
06-29-2015, 09:33 PM
A #3 is going to be a #4 or #5 when you have a great pitching staff, and he's going to be your #1 or #2 when you have a bad pitching staff. You can count on Leake to deliver 200 solid innings when every other Starter is either too young to be counted on, too expensive (2015 version of Cueto), or too hurt (pick your year of Bailey, Cueto, Latos, etc.) to be counted on.

Leake is highly undervalued by REDS' fans, but I guarantee you that he's loved by the Managers and Coaches.



A career ERA+ of 99 would put him right around league average wouldn't it? ERA+ is also influenced by team defense, which the Reds have been stellar in for Leake's entire career.

If you look at FIP from all qualified starters 2010-2015, Mike Leake ranks 138th. Right around where a 4th starter is.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 09:33 PM
They would have to play in fair territory.

That's not cricket...

jojo
06-29-2015, 09:34 PM
I've never seen it. (See above)

I had assumed that you were lying.

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:35 PM
And you are using ERA+ as an example, so I responded that his ERA+ was 22nd in MLB to 37th in MLB every year (I'll do the math for you. There are 30 teams, so that makes him better in that stat than all but 8 #1 pitchers and better than every #2 pitcher but 7 teams in ERA+ every season). Like I said,....do you have any stats that support your stating that he's not at least an above average #3 pitcher? The one you posted doesn't do it.

On a good staff? No. He's not. He can survive and make a lot of money because he's not terrible, but you're not winning jack if a below league average pitcher is the 3rd best you have. Sorry.

He's the epitome of mediocre.

Big Klu
06-29-2015, 09:36 PM
I had assumed that you were lying.

I wouldn't lie about that.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 09:36 PM
I can't believe its 9-7....sheesh.

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 09:37 PM
Ugh. Leadoff walk to Sluggin' Shane Robinson.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:39 PM
He's a pitcher who has thrown 200 innings once in 5 years

No stats?

I didn't think I had to explain the 30-inning rule to you, but apparently I do.

Leake came to the REDS as a Reliever from College, so his workload was that of very few innings.

The work that an organization is generally safe to put upon a young pitcher's arm is 30-inning increments each year.

In 2010, he had 138 innings.
In 2011, he had 168 innings. (an increase of 30!)
In 2012, he had 179 innings on our strongest pitching staff of the last 30 years. He would have pitched more, but he was the #5 pitcher that season, but it was still an increase of 11 innings as they continued to stretch him out.
In 2013, he had 192 innings. Notice a trend here? His arm continues to be stretched out by the organization as he moved up from the #5 pitcher to the #4 pitcher on a very good starting staff. He got 31 starts. One more start and he had his 200 innings.
In 2014, he had 214 innings. Another increase, and this of 22 innings as he had 33 starts. He's been a solid 200 inning pitcher the last two years, the first two years his arm was ready to go that far for a season.

So far, he's on pace for another 200 innings.

The stats prove that he's a 200+ inning pitcher at this point of his career, which is the only point of his career that we care about or are talking about. We're talking about what he is, not what he was when he was a rookie reliever out of College.

RedTeamGo!
06-29-2015, 09:39 PM
The Reds are most likely going to lose this game. The sooner you accept it the better. If they pull it out and win it will be a pleasant surprise. I like surprises.

faffy42
06-29-2015, 09:39 PM
This game went from a rare reallly fun game... to back to underacheiving normal in 10 mins.

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:39 PM
A career ERA+ of 99 would put him right around league average wouldn't it? ERA+ is also influenced by team defense, which the Reds have been stellar in for Leake's entire career.

If you look at FIP from all qualified starters 2010-2015, Mike Leake ranks 138th. Right around where a 4th starter is.

I don't blame Leake for "pitching to his defense" with the kind of stuff he has. He has to.

Arroyo with lesser stuff had to do the same thing. It's just that Leake isn't as good at it as he was.

RedTeamGo!
06-29-2015, 09:40 PM
I didn't think I had to explain the 30-inning rule to you, but apparently I do.

Leake came to the REDS as a Reliever from College, so his workload was that of very few innings.

The work that an organization is generally safe to put upon a young pitcher's arm is 30-inning increments each year.

In 2010, he had 138 innings.
In 2011, he had 168 innings. (an increase of 30!)
In 2012, he had 179 innings on our strongest pitching staff of the last 30 years. He would have pitched more, but he was the #5 pitcher that season, but it was still an increase of 11 innings as they continued to stretch him out.
In 2013, he had 192 innings. Notice a trend here? His arm continues to be stretched out by the organization as he moved up from the #5 pitcher to the #4 pitcher on a very good starting staff. He got 31 starts. One more start and he had his 200 innings.
In 2014, he had 214 innings. Another increase, and this of 22 innings as he had 33 starts. He's been a solid 200 inning pitcher the last two years, the first two years his arm was ready to go that far for a season.

So far, he's on pace for another 200 innings.

The stats prove that he's a 200+ inning pitcher at this point of his career, which is the only point of his career that we care about or are talking about. We're talking about what he is, not what he was when he was a rookie reliever out of College.

It's a good post about innings limits, but wasn't Leakr the Friday night starter for Arizona St?

Tracy Jones
06-29-2015, 09:41 PM
The stats prove that he's a 200+ inning pitcher at this point of his career, which is the only point of his career that we care about or are talking about. We're talking about what he is, not what he was when he was a rookie reliever out of College.

And still a 98 ERA+ pitcher.

villain612
06-29-2015, 09:42 PM
I don't blame Leake for "pitching to his defense" with the kind of stuff he has. He has to.

Arroyo with lesser stuff had to do the same thing. It's just that Leake isn't as good at it as he was.

I totally agree. If you have that good defense, you pitch to it if you don't have overpowering stuff.

Leake is about average but he's durable. You need guys like him on your team to eat some innings during the season. But you don't break the bank for them.

RedlegJake
06-29-2015, 09:43 PM
I don't agree with you completely Tracy. But I see your point. Ideally Mike is best as the #4 but I think he's perfectly acceptable at 3 if you have a really good 1-2 punch preceding him. He's not terrible at all, but he isn't a great pitcher either. Basically a dependable league averagish starter, a very valuable piece if he's not expected to be too much as he is on this year's Reds. But I disagree with your posting tone which seems to be he's an easy to replace fungible player. I don't think he is at all. He's just not good enough to carry the role he's being asked to this year. To me, that's not on Mike but partly on circumstance and partly management's failure to add a solid starter instead of trying to make do with someone like Marquis after trading 2 starters away and Bailey being shelved.

Kingspoint
06-29-2015, 09:43 PM
A career ERA+ of 99 would put him right around league average wouldn't it? ERA+ is also influenced by team defense, which the Reds have been stellar in for Leake's entire career.

If you look at FIP from all qualified starters 2010-2015, Mike Leake ranks 138th. Right around where a 4th starter is.

There aren't even close to 100, yet alone 138 pitchers who have pitched at least 960 innings (which is what is needed to be a qualified pitcher for the time period you're posting....one inning per game played.)

Stray
06-29-2015, 09:45 PM
Dat dude Ivan

NC Reds
06-29-2015, 09:45 PM
DeJesus saves