6/30/2015 Twins at Reds

[cumberlandreds]

Why change a good thing? Lineup is the same as last night except the pitcher.


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[NebraskaRed]

Barnhart has been on fire lately, so I have no problem with using him. Just makes me wonder if something is wrong with Pena.

[cumberlandreds]

Barnhart has been on fire lately, so I have no problem with using him. Just makes me wonder if something is wrong with Pena.

I was a little surprised to see Barnhart in there today. But I'm glad he is. Go with the hot hand or bat in this case.

[villain612]

Same lineup as yesterday.

20 more hits, 11 more runs.

Take it to the bank!

[Tom Servo]

John Fay ‏@johnfayman 1m1 minute ago
#Reds say the game will not start on time. Will update when I hear more.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Quick question...when do the Cardinals come back to earth? I mean good grief. They are NOT a nearly .700 ballclub, are they?

[Reds Fanatic]

Next update is due in minutes. Not raining currently but apparently they are waiting on some heavy rain coming in from the west

[Reds Fanatic]

Now the next update is due at 9

[androosh]

How many rain delays will we have this year when it's not actually raining? I'll start the over/under at 17.

[Tom Servo]

Brandon Phillips ‏@DatDudeBP 6m6 minutes ago
#RealTalk... This has to be one of the dumbest rain delays I've ever seen SMDH!!! Let's get ready for Midnight Baseball!!! #KillingMeSmalls

[androosh]

Brandon Phillips ‏@DatDudeBP 6m6 minutes ago
#RealTalk... This has to be one of the dumbest rain delays I've ever seen SMDH!!! Let's get ready for Midnight Baseball!!! #KillingMeSmallsThe man speaks the truth.

[Banshee]

Tarp off, 9:10 tentative start.

[PXShaman]

The man speaks the truth.

I don't see the problem, he doesn't speak the truth. Yes this past week has been terrible for the Reds, but baseball has to be played.

[TheBigLebowski]

I don't see the problem, he doesn't speak the truth. Yes this past week has been terrible for the Reds, but baseball has to be played.

Someone else wanna take this one??

[PXShaman]

This is their job, umps can't control the weather, but Reds are really pushing their make up games. And another double header is not needed.

[TheBigLebowski]

Quick question...when do the Cardinals come back to earth? I mean good grief. They are NOT a nearly .700 ballclub, are they?

Seems like forever ago, but I still laugh (and cry) when I think back to our first series of the season with them. We were all high and mighty, cocks of the collective walk & what not. They took 2 out of 3, because Cardinals, but a lot of our fans came out of that weekend thinking they were a poor club and we had a lot to be excited about.

Look back at the last game thread if you don't believe me.

[androosh]

I don't see the problem, he doesn't speak the truth. Yes this past week has been terrible for the Reds, but baseball has to be played.If it's not raining, a game shouldn't be in a rain delay. Period. They may think it's easier on the starting pitchers to delay it, but they play every 5 days. Think of how much harder it is for an every day player to be playing well after midnight when the game should be over by 10pm simply because it might rain.

[NebraskaRed]

Is Brandon Phillips not at GABP?

He keeps tweeting pictures that indicate otherwise. Or else these were pictures from earlier today?

[androosh]

This is their job, umps can't control the weather, but Reds are really pushing their make up games. And another double header is not needed.I'm not saying it shouldn't be played, I'm saying it shouldn't have been delayed without it actually pouring or lightning.

[androosh]

K for Disco to start the game!

[Tadasimha]

Big Fly solo for Hunter - blasted that one

[Tom Servo]

booooooo

[androosh]

Big Fly solo for Hunter - blasted that oneHe either hit it REALLY high, or the wind is really carrying tonight. Seemed to take forever to get out even though it sounded like a no-doubter off the bat.

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Another K!

[NebraskaRed]

Everyone can relax now. Phillips is in the dugout.

[androosh]

Is Brandon Phillips not at GABP?

He keeps tweeting pictures that indicate otherwise. Or else these were pictures from earlier today?He's in the dugout, but not playing. I must have missed what happened, sounded like an injury issue.

[Roy Tucker]

Drop and give me 20, Billy.

[Tadasimha]

Disco needs to get zoned in quickly.

[Tom Servo]

Bad defense.

[Tadasimha]

Votto tries to get the runner at home and throws wide.

Don't think he would have got him even with a good throw.

[WrongVerb]

That's two errors for Votto in a week. He sucks! Get him out of there!

[Roy Tucker]

Joey double-clutches and then airmails a throw over Barnhart. 2-zip Twinkies.

[Banshee]

Bad defense.

Turrrible.

[Tom Servo]

This is awful.

[Big Klu]

That's two errors for Votto in a week. He sucks! Get him out of there!

No error on Votto. Correctly scored a fielder's choice.

[Roy Tucker]

Someone tell the Reds the game started.

[Chip R]

The Bad News Bears have replaced the Reds.

[WrongVerb]

You know, if BP's tweet earlier was the general sentiment around the clubhouse, that attitude could be affecting the play on the field. Kinda ticked off at waiting for seemingly no reason, that would have a bearing on your play, I think.

And IF that's the case (we have no way of knowing) I lay that at the feet of the manager.

[Tom Servo]

Nice job stranding that runner, horrible everything else.

[lnn6574]

Two hundred million dollar arm.

[NebraskaRed]

Two hundred million dollar arm.

lol

[Chip R]

Nice job stranding that runner, horrible everything else.

That's how you work past defensive lapses.

[Roy Tucker]

Frazier waited on that pitch nicely.

[Rantly]

What a hanger, surprised Frazier didn't hit that 430 ft.

[kbrake]

Two hundred million dollar arm.

I was actually annoyed with Votto after that throw, then I see comments like this and I remember why I give him a pass for everything.

[Roy Tucker]

Lotsa fly balls.

[KronoRed]

That's two errors for Votto in a week. He sucks! Get him out of there!

DFA

[treetops]

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P Hughes 71
K Gibson 64
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Leake 62
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[Tadasimha]

Nice DP there

[Roy Tucker]

Suarez and DeJesus turned that 6-4-3 in a tidy fashion.

There is hope yet.

[Banshee]

Suarez HR, on the board~!

[Roy Tucker]

There's a fly ball.

[Tom Servo]

Suarez! :jump:

[Tadasimha]

Big E delivers in a big way!

[OnBaseMachine]

Suarez can hit.

[RedTeamGo!]

Suarez sucks!

We should say that when Suarez does something good. Like "Primus sucks!"

[Tom Servo]

Solid base hit by Billy, I like it.

[OnBaseMachine]

Suarez looks like he has enough pop to hit 15 HR a season in the majors.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I get Rico Suave in my head every time Suarez does something...

[Roy Tucker]

I think Suarez has more of a future at 2B.

[OnBaseMachine]

Lots of ground balls finding holes for the Twins

[Roy Tucker]

Twins' ground balls have eyes.

[Tadasimha]

Come on, Tony

[Roy Tucker]

Barnhart can't backhand that. He's got to be more agile.

[WrongVerb]

Disco keeping the ball on the ground. This game won't get out of hand. Hughes tossing up line drives and foul balls. Only a matter of time.

[WrongVerb]

Suarez messes up another routine ground ball. Oh, wait, no he didn't. Well done, Rico Suarez!

[Roy Tucker]

Suarez messes up another routine ground ball. Oh, wait, no he didn't. Well done, Rico Suarez!

I held my breath. But he played it well.

[Tom Servo]

BABIP laughing in Disco's face tonight.

[Tadasimha]

here we go again

[Roy Tucker]

So, I'm an idiot. I didn't know Paul Molitor was manager of the Twins.

[WVRedsFan]

Anyone have the score?

[Roy Tucker]

3-1 Twins. Bottom of the 5th.

A Sean Marshall sighting.

[Tadasimha]

Tucker zoned in

[RedTeamGo!]

3-1 Twins. Bottom of the 5th.

A Sean Marshall sighting.

Like he is in the stands watching the game? Are you at a bar and he is at the table next to you?

[Tadasimha]

Like he is in the stands watching the game? Are you at a bar and he is at the table next to you?

Sitting in the dugout.

If he was in the bar, he'd better be buying!

[Stray]

The Phillips and Jim Day friendship is an interesting one. I'd like to hear more about it.

[OnBaseMachine]

That was ruled a hit. Wow.

[Tom Servo]

That was strike 3, ump.

[Banshee]

Ump squeezing Disco a bit. Still not a bad night despite the balls all finding holes, kid's going to be good imho.

[Roy Tucker]

Like he is in the stands watching the game? Are you at a bar and he is at the table next to you?

Eh? He asked the score. I thought I gave an ok answer.

[RedTeamGo!]

Eh? He asked the score. I thought I gave an ok answer.

I was making a joke about the Sean Marshall sighting.

[WVRedsFan]

Eh? He asked the score. I thought I gave an ok answer.Might fine, Roy. Thanks. Have audio on At Bat now--about a 40 second delay.

[Roy Tucker]

I was making a joke about the Sean Marshall sighting.

Ahhhhh, gotcha. It's late. I'm old and slow.

[Tadasimha]

Wounding? Pronounced "wown-ding", Thom? I think you mean "winding".

[Roy Tucker]

Wounding? Pronounced "wown-ding", Thom? I think you mean "winding".

Better than the history of Anderson and Nagel schools.

[Roy Tucker]

Not a good night for blue. Frazier got screwed.

[OnBaseMachine]

So a pitch down the middle is a ball on Phil Hughes but four inches inside to Frazier is a strike?

[Tom Servo]

This ump pretty much sucks.

[WVRedsFan]

That K to Frazier on GamdDay was way inside...

[PXShaman]

So does this ump just hate the reds?

[WrongVerb]

Several bad calls from this umpire tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

DeSclafani with 103 pitches through 6. Price sends him back out for 7th. Double.

[Roy Tucker]

I think Desclafani is about to go postal on the home plate ump.

[WVRedsFan]

Sometimes Price amazes me.

[CWRed]

I'm about to go postal on Price.

[Roy Tucker]

Rain coming on radar.

[malcontent]

DeSclafani with 103 pitches through 6. Price sends him back out for 7th. Double.
Can't dip into that 8-man pen. It's only the 7th.

[CWRed]

Can't dip into that 8-man pen. It's only the 7th.

:bang:

[Banshee]

Maybe he'll let him throw 150 pitches..

[Roy Tucker]

C'mon Bryan. The kid is done. Don't blow up his ERA.

[Tom Servo]

Hmmm, it's almost like pitchers aren't as good as they were earlier in the game once they are over 100 pitches..

[malcontent]

Price said he "feels more comfortable" with an 8-man pen.

He didn't say he feels comfortable using it.

[OnBaseMachine]

Nice job by Price digging the Reds into a deeper hole.

[CWRed]

I mean. What is going on here?

[Big Klu]

Pet peeve:

Is it necessary for Thom (or any broadcaster, for that matter) to say, "Fielded by DeJesus Jr." Can't they just say, "Fielded by DeJesus"? It's not like DeJesus Sr. is on the team.

[WVRedsFan]

Now, it's probably out of range. Kid has thrown 120+ pitches.

[Banshee]

Just in time Mr. Price.

[Tom Servo]

Brilliant managing, Price.

[CWRed]

I swear Price tries to lose games. Either that or he's just senile.

[OnBaseMachine]

Excellent managing.

[Big Klu]

Price said he "feels more comfortable" with an 8-man pen.

He didn't say he feels comfortable using it.

If only we had a 9-man bullpen.

[malcontent]

A new poll on Price would be nice.

[Tom Servo]

Johnny Cueto threw 120+ pitches only once last year. But obviously it was important to have a rookie do it on a night where he's already given up a ton of base hits and the Reds are already losing.

[SirFelixCat]

Wow. Just no reason to send him back out there for the 7th. Sigh

[WVRedsFan]

I swear Price tries to lose games. Either that or he's just senile.Neither. He has a lack of judgment when it comes to managing a game. We've seen it over and over and still there are those who see no purpose in letting him go...

[Chip R]

Gotta say I'm scratching my head about Disco throwing 120 plus pitches.

[Roy Tucker]

My guess is that Price is making it a teaching moment and stretching Desclafani out.

[Tom Servo]

Hooray, some additional damage to the kid's ERA to boot.

[CWRed]

Neither. He has a lack of judgment when it comes to managing a game. We've seen it over and over and still there are those who see no purpose in letting him go...

It's just striking that someone can be this bad of a manager in almost every instance. Even Dusty wasn't this bad. Wow.

[Chip R]

Cutoff man?

[OnBaseMachine]

DeSclafani deserved better. Charged with six runs. Three earned for Price.

[WVRedsFan]

Nice job Bryan. Game over.

[Big Klu]

Disco didn't have his best stuff tonight, but he battled, and he deserved better than this.

[JaxRed]

Just can't imagine why people are still in the stands.... this is brutal

[Roy Tucker]

Yeah. Disco didn't deserve the pitching line he got tonight.

Badenhop mystifies me. I thought he was pretty good and a good signing. Maybe it's a JJ Hoover thing where he alternated good years and bad years.

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Just can't imagine why people are still in the stands.... this is brutal

Beer sales are still going.

[Tom Servo]

My guess is that Price is making it a teaching moment and stretching Desclafani out.
I remember Dusty stretching Homer out in August/September of 2009, he took some heat but I think it was the beginning of Homer's turnaround at the major league level after his pretty brutal start.

The decision tonight to have Disco go 120+ when we still have two weeks to go to the All-Star Break (after which you are expecting him to make another 15 starts) and on a night where he was hardly dominating is just asinine to me.

[malcontent]

"You play the cards that you're dealt. If we play with a three-man healthy bench or a six-man bullpen or a two-man bullpen or whatever it is, then we'll make the most with what we have to work with on any given day."

http://m.reds.mlb.com/news/article/133815852/reds-have-plan-when-playing-with-short-bench

Maybe he thinks it's a two-man pen.

[Tom Servo]

Also if you just need one out, why bring in your most hittable relief pitcher with runners on base?

[Big Klu]

Thom, I bet you can get to the Reds' batting cage with a 12-gauge. They might call the SWAT team on you, but you can probably get there.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom: "You can't get within the Reds' batting cage with a 12 gauge."

With good reason.

[WVRedsFan]

Just can't imagine why people are still in the stands.... this is brutalI don't know either. Maybe they "love" how this team is managed. Price gives that blind stare as he sees a youngster who has nothing get hit time after time. Just so obvious to me that even if it's blown up, he's not the guy to lead this team.

Worthless, old washed up Byrd homers.

[Big Klu]

Thom: "You can't get within the Reds' batting cage with a 12 gauge."

With good reason.

What a dope.

[Banshee]

Thom, I bet you can get to the Reds' batting cage with a 12-gauge. They might call the SWAT team on you, but you can probably get there.

If only we could be so lucky.

[Roy Tucker]

Thom: "You can't get within the Reds' batting cage with a 12 gauge."

With good reason.

I really couldn't figure that one out. I think we're hearing the unfiltered thoughts of one Thom Brennaman.

[Roy Tucker]

So is Barnhart getting an in-season tryout? Pena has disappeared.

[Big Klu]

I don't know either. Maybe they "love" how this team is managed. Price gives that blind stare as he sees a youngster who has nothing get hit time after time. Just so obvious to me that even if it's blown up, he's not the guy to lead this team.

Worthless, old washed up Byrd homers.

If I had gone to this game (and I had considered it), I would still be there. But that's because I'm the type who never leaves a game early.

A bad day at the ball park is better than a good day at work.

[Kc61]

I remember Dusty stretching Homer out in August/September of 2009, he took some heat but I think it was the beginning of Homer's turnaround at the major league level after his pretty brutal start.

The decision tonight to have Disco go 120+ when we still have two weeks to go to the All-Star Break (after which you are expecting him to make another 15 starts) and on a night where he was hardly dominating is just asinine to me.

Simply preserving the bullpen. Behind 3-1 after six, the objective is to avoid using three relievers.

At the same time, he's trying to get DeSclafani stretched for longer outings, which is debatable.

It didn't work, but that's the objective. The Reds have used the pen heavily the last week, two thirteen inning games, and have a game at 12:30PM tomorrow.

[Banshee]

Please tHommy, continue..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-BDc5VbKJ0

[Big Klu]

So is Barnhart getting an in-season tryout? Pena has disappeared.

I think it's more about trying to keep Peña fresh, while at the same time getting Barnhart into the flow of more regular PT. I think Peña got overexposed last year, and needs occasional time off to stay fresh.

[WVRedsFan]

Simply preserving the bullpen. Behind 3-1 after six, the objective is to avoid using three relievers.

At the same time, he's trying to get DeSclafani stretched for longer outings, which is debatable.

It didn't work, but that's the objective. The Reds have used the pen heavily the last week, two thirteen inning games, and have a game at 12:30PM tomorrow.But he has 6 relievers out in that bullpen and maybe more. If they're that fragile, I do not know what to say.

[RedTeamGo!]

Price should be fired for making Disco go 122 when he was pretty clearly done. Should be fired on the spot after the game.

[Kc61]

I think it's more about trying to keep Peña fresh, while at the same time getting Barnhart into the flow of more regular PT. I think Peña got overexposed last year, and needs occasional time off to stay fresh.

Pena relieved Barnhart at 1pm on Sunday, first game. He came in as a hitter for Parra and stayed in, caught the rest of game 1.

He then caught the complete second game on that day.

Tomorrow is an early day game after a night game.

So Pena rests tonight and plays tomorrow.

[Roy Tucker]

That's what Billy needs to do more. Put the ball in play and run your ass off.

[Kc61]

But he has 6 relievers out in that bullpen and maybe more. If they're that fragile, I do not know what to say.

If he uses his main relievers they are out tomorrow afternoon probably.

If he uses his backup relievers he might as well stick with Disco.

He took a shot at one more inning for Disco to save the pen. It didn't work. So we'll get them in game 7 of the World Series instead of Game 6.

[Big Klu]

That's what Billy needs to do more. Put the ball in play and run your ass off.

I would have scored that a hit, because I don't think he throws Billy out even if he fields it cleanly.

[WVRedsFan]

If he uses his main relievers they are out tomorrow afternoon probably.

If he uses his backup relievers he might as well stick with Disco.

He took a shot at one more inning for Disco to save the pen. It didn't work. So we'll get them in game 7 of the World Series instead of Game 6.:)

Judgment

[WVRedsFan]

Interesting. Now 7-4. Wonder how BP feels about his decision now as he blindly stares out toward the infield?

[Roy Tucker]

Reds making it interesting.

[Banshee]

Wow, bad D is in the water, reds score a couple now on 2 E's by the twinkies, 7-5. Cmon' Frazier!

[WVRedsFan]

7-5.

[JaxRed]

Can't believe they called that Votto ball a hit....

[Big Klu]

Pena relieved Barnhart at 1pm on Sunday, first game. He came in as a hitter for Parra and stayed in, caught the rest of game 1.

He then caught the complete second game on that day.

Tomorrow is an early day game after a night game.

So Pena rests tonight and plays tomorrow.

Day game after a night game. Peña will only play one, and Cueto pitches tomorrow.

[Banshee]

Can't believe they called that Votto ball a hit....

Home cooking.

[Kc61]

:)

Judgment

Every Reds reliever pitched a two inning stint, at least, on Sunday or Monday -- except for Badenhop (who threw 1.1) and Chapman (who threw 1).

That's why Disco came out for the seventh.

[Big Klu]

Can't believe they called that Votto ball a hit....

But Hamilton's ball was an error....

[WVRedsFan]

Every Reds reliever pitched a two inning stint, at least, on Sunday or Monday -- except for Badenhop (who threw 1.1) and Chapman (who threw 1).

That's why Disco came out for the seventh.Regardless, I disagree with the decision as most would

[RedTeamGo!]

Whoa, 7-5! Don't call it a comeback.

[Big Klu]

Every Reds reliever pitched a two inning stint, at least, on Sunday or Monday -- except for Badenhop (who threw 1.1) and Chapman (who threw 1).

That's why Disco came out for the seventh.

If only we had a 9-man bullpen...or an actual long reliever who can go more than two innings.

[Roy Tucker]

Nice AB by Frazier.

[Kc61]

Regardless, I disagree with the decision as most would

Maybe not if "most" would look at the logs for the last two games. Hoover threw 27 pitches, for example. Matthew a 27 pitch stint. Contreras a whopping 45 pitches. Villarreal 51.

Sorry, hate to confuse things with such details.

[Big Klu]

Too bad he didn't fall down.

[Kc61]

Frazier looked like he was over swinging last night and tonight.

[Big Klu]

Don't sing to her, Thom!

[Big Klu]

Vargas, a.k.a. Hijo de Papi.

[WVRedsFan]

Frazier looked like he was over swinging last night and tonight.Maybe I'm wrong, but I see Frazier doing that when he is pressing, trying to hit the long ball. Relax and they will come.

[Roy Tucker]

I was going to say, Vargas looked like a large man. 290 lbs.

[WVRedsFan]

Hoover dealing. Two out, two by the K

[Stray]

I've given up on trying to read Frazier's swings. He can look hilarious and amazing in the same at bat. If he reads it and is on balance he covers the entire plate and then some, and the ball is crushed somewhere. If not, he looks silly.

I don't know that he can ever overswing. His swing it was it is. Sometimes he's fooled and adjusts, and it kinda looks like he shortened up.

[Roy Tucker]

Twins ground balls have had eyes all night.

[WVRedsFan]

Sigh. JJ finally give up a run with two out. Double by Hunter and Bauer singles him home. 8-5 as we go to the bottom of the 8th

[Roy Tucker]

And Bruce didn't play Hunters double all that great.

[Kc61]

I've given up on trying to read Frazier's swings. He can look hilarious and amazing in the same at bat. If he reads it and is on balance he covers the entire plate and then some, and the ball is crushed somewhere. If not, he looks silly.

I don't know that he can ever overswing. His swing it was it is. Sometimes he's fooled and adjusts, and it kinda looks like he shortened up.

With all the hype about the All Star vote and his great season, Frazier may be trying to do too much. I think he can overswing -- which of course is completely unnecessary since his normal swing generates so much power.

[OnBaseMachine]

I thought Bruce should have caught that.

[Roy Tucker]

Battery is about dead. Bring this one home, boys.

[WVRedsFan]

Battery is about dead. Bring this one home, boys.My phone is at 38%, so yeah. Hurry boys and win this.

[WVRedsFan]

Bruce grounds out and Byrd flies out. Tucker gets on base on an error. Suarez singles. Now Pena now bats for Hoover.

[Tony Cloninger]

If he uses his main relievers they are out tomorrow afternoon probably.

If he uses his backup relievers he might as well stick with Disco.

He took a shot at one more inning for Disco to save the pen. It didn't work. So we'll get them in game 7 of the World Series instead of Game 6.

Better Badenhop who can actually go 2 since he needs to to throw for his sinker to be effective then a tired arm.....who you need beyond this year.

[WVRedsFan]

Pena grounds out. 8-5 as the game heads to the 9th

[Kc61]

Better Badenhop who can actually go 2 since he needs to to throw for his sinker to be effective then a tired arm.....who you need beyond this year.

So Badenhop over another inning of Disco. I view that as a quibble.

I mean, if the alternative in the seventh was Badenhop, who came in and had nothing, then it's hardly worth debating.

[WVRedsFan]

Disco's ERA goes up 20 points and Hoover's up likewise.

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So Badenhop over another inning of Disco. I view that as a quibble.

I mean, if the alternative in the seventh was Badenhop, who came in and had nothing, then it's hardly worth debating.So, in summary, Price made the right decision?

[villain612]

Crowd is still pretty loud for being down 3 runs in the 9th at 12:14 AM.

[Big Klu]

So Badenhop over another inning of Disco. I view that as a quibble.

I mean, if the alternative in the seventh was Badenhop, who came in and had nothing, then it's hardly worth debating.

Oh, if only we had a 9-man bullpen!

[WVRedsFan]

Oh, if only we had a 9-man bullpen!Gotta save for tomorrow.

[Tony Cloninger]

So Badenhop over another inning of Disco. I view that as a quibble.

I mean, if the alternative in the seventh was Badenhop, who came in and had nothing, then it's hardly worth debating.


Only for the need to preserve Disco for another year.....like I was hoping it would back in 1981.

If he was at less than 100 pitches and not laboring for most of the game I would agree....and I am one who does not mind pitchers throwing 110-120 pitches from time to time, or going up to about 110 on most of their starts.

My Kingdom for a reliever on this team who can go 2 innings every other game or 2. I also blame the offense for not doing much as well....so everything has been covered.

[Kc61]

Oh, if only we had a 9-man bullpen!

Well that was my original point. if you look at the usage and pitch counts the last couple of days, we see why Disco pitched the seventh.

Price trying to save the pen.

He eventually used Badenhop who had been more lightly used, and it didn't work out.

I'm sure Price's thought was to try and avoid using primary relievers tonight.

Hopefully it pays off tomorrow and they can participate in a winning effort.

[Kc61]

C'mon Reds, walk off time.

[Big Klu]

Well that was my original point. if you look at the usage and pitch counts the last couple of days, we see why Disco pitched the seventh.

Price trying to save the pen.

He eventually used Badenhop who had been more lightly used, and it didn't work out.

I'm sure Price's thought was to try and avoid using primary relievers tonight.

Hopefully it pays off tomorrow and they can participate in a winning effort.

The only problem was that it was apparent that Disco was dead. (Pun intended.)

[Kc61]

My Kingdom for a reliever on this team who can go 2 innings every other game or 2. I also blame the offense for not doing much as well....so everything has been covered.

All they need is Scott Sullivan and Rob Murphy.

Pretty fair relievers.

[Kc61]

The only problem was that it was apparent that Disco was dead. (Pun intended.)

I don't disagree, and i was surprised Disco came back out there.

All I'm saying is that it wasn't as unreasonable a decision as some indicate. Price had his reasons. Hopefully pays off tomorrow with a more rested pen.

[WVRedsFan]

Well that was my original point. if you look at the usage and pitch counts the last couple of days, we see why Disco pitched the seventh.

Price trying to save the pen.

He eventually used Badenhop who had been more lightly used, and it didn't work out.

I'm sure Price's thought was to try and avoid using primary relievers tonight.

Hopefully it pays off tomorrow and they can participate in a winning effort.Kc, I have tremendous respect for you, but this kind os thinking is alright if you are contending, but foolish when you are trying to get your head above water. I leave it at that.

[WVRedsFan]

Game over. Reds lose 8-5

[Big Klu]

Tonight's "Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game" is Eugenio Suarez, who was 2-for-4 with a HR.


(Giving it to one of our guys tonight, because the Twins leave town tomorrow afternoon and won't return for another 3 to 6 years, and I'm not giving out Montgomery Inn gift certificates that aren't going to be redeemed.)

[WVRedsFan]

Hope for the best tomorrow.

[Tony Cloninger]

All they need is Scott Sullivan and Rob Murphy.

Pretty fair relievers.


I have been saying that baseball organizations need to start developing multiple inning type relievers and not just LOOGYS and now ROOGYS. It has turned into a joke that it has come to everyone wanting to emulate what LaRussa did as if it is the only way to run a bullpen.

[Kingspoint]

I remember Dusty stretching Homer out in August/September of 2009, he took some heat but I think it was the beginning of Homer's turnaround at the major league level after his pretty brutal start.

The decision tonight to have Disco go 120+ when we still have two weeks to go to the All-Star Break (after which you are expecting him to make another 15 starts) and on a night where he was hardly dominating is just asinine to me.
We've seen it before where a pitcher is used to this extent that either a three or four game slump occurs (because of suspected overuse in a single game) or an injury occurs or both. It's only speculative to imply it's because of the 120+ pitched game, but we've seen it several times. When it's done with young talent that's expected to be part of the future rotation in a meaningless game, asinine is the only word that ca be used to describe it. It would be like a UPS driver slamming his vehicle into a couple dozen parked UPS trucks. There's no excuse for abusing company assets like that.

[redsmetz]

Brandon Phillips ‏@DatDudeBP 6m6 minutes ago
#RealTalk... This has to be one of the dumbest rain delays I've ever seen SMDH!!! Let's get ready for Midnight Baseball!!! #KillingMeSmalls

So did that second cell of rain ever show up? My wife and I knew we wouldn't be staying if there was a long delay. At 8:00 p.m. when they said it would be another hour due to this expected heavy cell of rain coming, we decided there was no sense waiting that out and only getting to see a couple of innings and maybe have to leave in the run. They easily could have gotten a few innings in before that rain came. The odd thing is that when they made the announcement they said something about the pitchers, so I'm guessing they didn't want to start, stop and then have to go to the bullpen if there was another long delay.

It's frustrating to have those tickets go to waste, although I see there were 11 strikeouts, so we do get two free pizzas.

[cumberlandreds]

To wait around for it to rain for two hours is just crazy IMO. It does a real disservice to the fans. On a work night you can't wait around all night waiting on a game to start and I would think it would really be frustarting if its not raining at all. I can understand the teams point of getting a pitcher ready and then the rains come. The Nationals were really upset over the weekend because they had to burn a pitcher when a game was called after just one inning in Philadelphia. Unless the rain is really bearing down on the ballpark, though, I would get it started. The weather can do some crazy things and more often than you don't get the expect precipitation in those cases.