Sat 7/18/2015. Indians @ Reds

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[KittyDuran]

I'm here and it's HOT! Whew... Also had to fight to get a parking space close. Luke Bryan is playing tonight @ PBS.

[Banshee]

Time for some Disco!

[Tom Servo]

Oh boy, bouncing chopper up the middle and BP and Suarez can't decide who's ball it is, so neither gets it. Two on, nobody out.

[Red Raindog]

ugh - what a start -- base hit & then confusion on who takes the bouncer up the middle & it's now two on

and then the bomb ---- might have to drop this game quickly

[Banshee]

That's not exactly a good start, 3-0 bad guys on Brantley's HR.

[Tom Servo]

aaaand Brantley continues his Bonds impression with a 3 run HR

[Red Raindog]

Time for some Disco!

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[WrongVerb]

7 pitches
3 runs

At least Disco is being efficient today

[Tom Servo]

BP single
Votto double

[Tom Servo]

Frazier grounded out to pitcher, Bruce sac fly scores BP but Votto thrown out at third

3-1 after 1

[Red Raindog]

Joey is slow

on replay -- Joey is slow and got an embarassing joke of a break on the tag up

[Tom Servo]

omg a FarmersOnly commercial, haven't seen one of those in years

[WrongVerb]

Joey with a TOOTBLAN making the 3rd out at 3rd base with the team's hottest hitter coming to the plate. Bad move, Joey.

[Red Raindog]

and E Suarez boots one

['69]

Joey is slow

on replay -- Joey is slow and got an embarassing joke of a break on the tag up

Sure seemed like it, and Suarez kicks the ball around, lol. Bad plays sandwich a nice play by Billy.

['69]

omg a FarmersOnly commercial, haven't seen one of those in years

Lol, you don't have to be lonely, Tom

[Tom Servo]

Nice bounceback inning from Disco.

[Tony Cloninger]

This teams is Inconsistent to bad with RISP because they swing at bad pitches trying to do too much. Even the SF was a way outside ball but at least Jay got it in the air.

How could Joey get a such a bad jump when the play is in front of him?

The RF made a bad play throwing the ball home to begin with and Joey is still out. It must be the shoes.

[Tom Servo]

I wonder who hits a HR in 2015 first - Nick Markakis or Brayan Pena

[Kc61]

This teams is Inconsistent to bad with RISP because they swing at bad pitches trying to do too much. Even the SF was a way outside ball but at least Jay got it in the air.

How could Joey get a such a bad jump when the play is in front of him?

The RF made a bad play throwing the ball home to begin with and Joey is still out. It must be the shoes.

When and if the Reds have more consistent contact hitters their RISP percentage will be much better. It's pitch recognition, it's contact ability, it's approach. They have had opportunities to change this style -- as in the LF opening this off-season -- but they went with power instead.

[Tom Servo]

I feel like all of these years the Indians always have these heavy left-handed lineups that kill our righties.

[Tom Servo]

Eugenio, it's your birthday. Why the glove of stone tonight?

[Tom Servo]

Welp, that was a horrible pitch. It's Disco demolition night by the lefties.

6-1 Injuns

[WrongVerb]

Eugenio, it's your birthday. Why the glove of stone tonight?

He's good as long as he has a beat to take a deep breath and swallow his anxiety, but when he's got to make that quick play his mental game fails him.

Moss with the HR. Fart.

[WVRedsFan]

Well, nothing to see here. Disco just very bad tonight. And it will get worse.

[RedlegJake]

Disco has the stuff to get guys out but not throwing it dead center over the plate. Sheesh, he might as well have set it on a tee. He does this way too often. Especially inexcusable on an 0-2 pitch.

[RedsBrick]

Professional hitters will crush meat pitches. Even if they're Indians.

[757690]

http://youtu.be/I1CP1751wJA

[Tom Servo]

Disco has the stuff to get guys out but not throwing it dead center over the plate. Sheesh, he might as well have set it on a tee. He does this way too often. Especially inexcusable on an 0-2 pitch.
Yeah I get this his game is pounding the strike zone, but pounding it with an 0-2 count is downright silly.

[Red Raindog]

tonight's musical interlude ----

Death By Disco


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkc1IwxQ1jk

[Larry Schuler]

Is that umpire J Kellogg in the original post's photo or our very own Doug "Mesoraco's Secrets Will Be Buried With Me" Dirt????

[WVRedsFan]

Yeah I get this his game is pounding the strike zone, but pounding it with an 0-2 count is downright silly.
He's just learning. Something to get. Used to for the foreseeable future if they re-tool as everyone wants.

[RedlegJake]

Billy Hamilton is a bad hitter. Wave goodbye Billy

[Red Raindog]

Billy Hamilton is a bad hitter. Wave goodbye Billy

agree -- sadly I don't see any progress

[WVRedsFan]

None

[RedlegJake]

Yeah, I was hoping by now there wuld be a glimmer of hope - bunting, more grounders, anything. But I see nothing.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah, I was hoping by now there wuld be a glimmer of hope - bunting, more grounders, anything. But I see nothing.
And some posters here mocked me for suggesting he could use an AAA stint. :dunno:

[RedlegJake]

I suggested YRod in CF with Billy as the 4th OFer pinch runner. Got mocked too.

[WVRedsFan]

Yeah, I was hoping by now there wuld be a glimmer of hope - bunting, more grounders, anything. But I see nothing.
Only thing has right now is speed and defense, but no tools to get on base to use that speed. He is not the future of this team.

[RedlegJake]

Only thing has right now is speed and defense, but no tools to get on base to use that speed. He is not the future of this team.

I think he's very valuable as the 4th OFer with his defense, and the ability to then pinch run in critical late situations, but I am almost certain now he'll never be a solid starting player from the offense side anyway. Maybe for a team without any other holes offensively - then his defense would play up

[WVRedsFan]

I think he's very valuable as the 4th OFer with his defense, and the ability to then pinch run in critical late situations, but I am almost certain now he'll never be a solid starting player from the offense side anyway. Maybe for a team without any other holes offensively - then his defense would play up
I agree, but to play him everyday and see him not get on base is brutal. Of course, what other choice is better?

[WrongVerb]

I've been suggesting for a couple days that Hamilton would look great roaming CF for the Astros.

[757690]

Yeah, easy to come to that conclusion that Hamilton sucks, off of one AB against the reigning Cy Young winner :rolleyes:

[Red Raindog]

getting dumped on with big storms up here in Northern Indiana -- looks like the line runs all the way to Cincinnati ---- and gets there soon

[Kc61]

I'd stick it out with Hamilton. Unless he's part of a great trade, then ok, but otherwise, I'd stick it out.

Hamilton doesn't have to be much of a hitter to be effective. If he can get his OBP into the .300 range, not much higher, he can score a ton of runs and add to the offense. Along with premium defense in CF.

It's annoying to watch all the outs, but he's still very young. Has rare abilities.

Tonight isn't a great situation for him, Kluber is a fabulous pitcher, so Billy is overmatched. But I'd give it another year for sure, maybe a light goes on.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah, easy to come to that conclusion that Hamilton sucks, off of one AB against the reigning Cy Young winner :rolleyes:
.221/.268/.286

But yes, it's about one at-bat

[Red Raindog]

Yeah, easy to come to that conclusion that Hamilton sucks, off of one AB against the reigning Cy Young winner :rolleyes:

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[RedlegJake]

Yeah, easy to come to that conclusion that Hamilton sucks, off of one AB against the reigning Cy Young winner :rolleyes:

If you think it's off that one at bat then you haven't been watching all season. Come on

[WrongVerb]

It seems too often that this front office becomes so enamored with certain players that it pushes them to make bad decisions like sticking with the players too long when its shown they can't produce significantly in the majors (Hamilton) or signing players to contracts that they shouldn't be signing them to (Phillips, almost certainly Frazier). This club would do well to remove emotion from their decision making as much as possible.

[757690]

If you think it's off that one at bat then you haven't been watching all season. Come on

You posted it directly after his one AB where he looked bad, and everyone jumped all over themselves to agree. It was a classic knee jerk game thread over reaction. See it all the time. Feel free to try to justify it as something else, but that is exactly what it was.

Edit: btw, I make knee jerk game thread over reaction posts all the time. Nothing wrong with them, it's what game threads are for.

[Kc61]

Billy has 42 runs scored. Votto has 43.

Votto has 375 PAs and a .392 OBP coming into tonight. Billy has 320 PAs and .269 OBP coming into tonight.

Hamilton can contribute with lesser hitting numbers. They need to improve, I'm not saying this is adequate, but the necessary improvement should be achievable.

[WrongVerb]

Billy has 42 runs scored. Votto has 43.

Votto has 375 PAs and a .392 OBP coming into tonight. Billy has 320 PAs and .269 OBP coming into tonight.

Hamilton can contribute with lesser hitting numbers. They need to improve, I'm not saying this is adequate, but the necessary improvement should be achievable.

The problem is, it's been nearly 2 years since he came up and that improvement is nowhere to be found. Not to mention that 42 runs scored isn't exactly helping the team win in the greater scheme of things. I like what BHam brings to the table, but at some point you've got to wonder if he's ever going to get it.

(I post this as as BHam skies out to right)

[Kc61]

It seems too often that this front office becomes so enamored with certain players that it pushes them to make bad decisions like sticking with the players too long when its shown they can't produce significantly in the majors (Hamilton) or signing players to contracts that they shouldn't be signing them to (Phillips, almost certainly Frazier). This club would do well to remove emotion from their decision making as much as possible.

In Hamilton's case, Dan, I would argue the fans are too rigid in evaluating him. They need to look beyond the usual statistics and see what his contributions are.

He scores runs, he is a brilliant defender, he causes havoc when on base.

He's still very young, he's younger than some of the prospects we admire in baseball.

[Tom Servo]

Bright side: Those 2 scoreless frames helped Disco keep his ERA just a tick under 4 assuming you don't round up: 3.99

[WrongVerb]

In Hamilton's case, Dan, I would argue the fans are too rigid in evaluating him. They need to look beyond the usual statistics and see what his contributions are.

He scores runs, he is a brilliant defender, he causes havoc when on base.

He's still very young, he's younger than many of the prospects we admire and consider the future.

Right, and it's not like Billy doesn't know what his weaknesses are. It isn't like he's got coaches helping him and it's not like he's working on a daily basis to try to get better. In fact, I'm almost sure that all those things are true. But the trend towards a slap hitter who is an expert at bunting, which is what Billy needs to be, just isn't there. He's not getting better. It sucks because he offers a lot, and would be an awesome weapon if he could figure it out.

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Joey bare-handed that one.

[Tom Servo]

He's still very young, he's younger than some of the prospects we admire in baseball.
Not many prospects going age 25 in a few weeks are admired in baseball.

[Kc61]

Right, and it's not like Billy doesn't know what his weaknesses are. It isn't like he's got coaches helping him and it's not like he's working on a daily basis to try to get better. In fact, I'm almost sure that all those things are true. But the trend towards a slap hitter who is an expert at bunting, which is what Billy needs to be, just isn't there. He's not getting better. It sucks because he offers a lot, and would be an awesome weapon if he could figure it out.

Just keep in mind that Hamilton at .240 BA and .300 OBP would be an effective offensive player because of the baserunning.

The baserunning has improved dramatically this year. Maybe the hitting improves next year.

Again, he doesn't have to be .280/.350/.380 to be effective. He can get by with much less. It's unusual, I know, but the bottom line is helping the club win.

Give it more time.

[Red Raindog]

Just keep in mind that Hamilton at .240 BA and .300 OBP would be an effective offensive player because of the baserunning.

The baserunning has improved dramatically this year. Maybe the hitting improves next year.

Again, he doesn't have to be .280/.350/.380 to be effective. He can get by with much less. It's unusual, I know, but the bottom line is helping the club win.

Give it more time.

not sure there is a better option --- but seeing some signs of him getting it with the bat would be nice -- I do agree he's made progress with his base running

[Tom Servo]

That Votto is so hot right now.

[Red Raindog]

That Votto is so hot right now.

sure -- you say that after he gets another hit --- :p

[WVRedsFan]

No, I wouldn't give up on him, but like others here, the progress isn't there. I would hope the orgazation is not counting on Billy to roam CF for a long time and let better hitters rot on the bench.

[WrongVerb]

Just keep in mind that Hamilton at .240 BA and .300 OBP would be an effective offensive player because of the baserunning.

The baserunning has improved dramatically this year. Maybe the hitting improves next year.

Again, he doesn't have to be .280/.350/.380 to be effective. He can get by with much less. It's unusual, I know, but the bottom line is helping the club win.

Give it more time.

You're right, and what I'm getting at is the trend toward him being the slap-hitter/bunter that he needs to be (a la Brett Butler) isn't there. It isn't like one day a switch is going to flip and he's suddenly going to be that guy. It's something that takes time and work, but whatever he's been working on all this time (2 years) it isn't translating to his game play. He's got a K and fly out to right this game. Neither of those come close to slapping the ball to the left side or bunting to get on base. This has gone on all season. At some point you have to realize that the player's game isnt' going to get better and cut bait.

[Kc61]

not sure there is a better option --- but seeing some signs of him getting it with the bat would be nice -- I do agree he's made progress with his base running

LOL, it used to be that age 25 was the key year in becoming a major leaguer. Hamilton will be 25 in September and play at age 25 most of next season.

This has not been a good hitting year for Billy. He was better before last year's ASB, in 2014. He needs to work on this. Let's hope he improves.

Meanwhile, this failing with RISP is just continuous with this team. Maybe Bruce will do something here but it seems never to end.

[Tom Servo]

What is the biggest deficit the Reds have come back down from this season? Just wondering if I should even bother wondering if they can do it here.

[Red Raindog]

and Bruce K's --- get me the booze


maybe Byrd can bring me the bottle -- he K's too

[klw]

Before we give up on Hamilton.


2012 24 .228 .280 .281 .561 56
2013 25 .234 .314 .298 .612 75
2014 26 .289 .326 .378 .704 99
2015 27 .338 .359 .413 .772 114

[WrongVerb]

I'll contrast BHam with Bruce and Frazier.

Frazier 3 years ago couldn't lay off the slider moving off the plate. He worked on it and it really shows. It didn't happen overnight but it happened, and his hard work was rewarded by being the HR derby champion, the starting 3b for the NL in the All Star game, and being the toast of baseball for awhile.

Bruce has been given fits since they started defending him with the shift. For awhile he tried going the other way, and that didn't work. Then he tried going up the middle, but that made him a punch-and-judy hitter. Finally he went to just trying to pull it through the shift and has been on fire for the last few months.

It's work, practice, adjustments made by very, very talented players at the top of their game. (To a lesser extent Suarez has adjusted his defense since the meltdown a few weeks ago.)

But every night I see the same things from BHam. Maybe he doesn't have confidence in the approach he needs to take. Maybe he doesn't have the refined skills it takes. It doesn't matter. He's the same player now that he's always been. And that's not good for him or for the club.

[Tom Servo]

Before we give up on Hamilton.


2012 24 .228 .280 .281 .561 56
2013 25 .234 .314 .298 .612 75
2014 26 .289 .326 .378 .704 99
2015 27 .338 .359 .413 .772 114
Gordon was a better hitter in the minors than Billy, and far better at AAA. Billy hasn't figured out how to hit above AA pitching.

I'm not throwing in the towel on Billy, but all options should be on the table.

[WrongVerb]

Before we give up on Hamilton.


2012 24 .228 .280 .281 .561 56
2013 25 .234 .314 .298 .612 75
2014 26 .289 .326 .378 .704 99
2015 27 .338 .359 .413 .772 114

I never project the success or failure of one player based on the success or failure of another.

[Tony Cloninger]

I'll contrast BHam with Bruce and Frazier.

Frazier 3 years ago couldn't lay off the slider moving off the plate. He worked on it and it really shows. It didn't happen overnight but it happened, and his hard work was rewarded by being the HR derby champion, the starting 3b for the NL in the All Star game, and being the toast of baseball for awhile.

Bruce has been given fits since they started defending him with the shift. For awhile he tried going the other way, and that didn't work. Then he tried going up the middle, but that made him a punch-and-judy hitter. Finally he went to just trying to pull it through the shift and has been on fire for the last few months.

It's work, practice, adjustments made by very, very talented players at the top of their game. (To a lesser extent Suarez has adjusted his defense since the meltdown a few weeks ago.)

But every night I see the same things from BHam. Maybe he doesn't have confidence in the approach he needs to take. Maybe he doesn't have the refined skills it takes. It doesn't matter. He's the same player now that he's always been. And that's not good for him or for the club.


Giving up the LH hitting, which again....... What was the pint? He is already fast. It is not helping him to hit LH so he can run to first faster when he cannot hit LH. I mean at All he cannot hit batting LH.

He looks better and is or has looked more comfortable from the RH side.

[50YrRedsFan]

and Bruce K's --- get me the booze


maybe Byrd can bring me the bottle -- he K's too

The story of the Reds with RISP.....2 on, no out. #'s 3,4, and 5 in the order can't get anything done.

[WrongVerb]

Giving up the LH hitting, which again....... What was the pint? He is already fast. It is not helping him to hit LH so he can run to first faster when he cannot hit LH. I mean at All he cannot hit batting LH.

He looks better and is or has looked more comfortable from the RH side.

If that helps him see success at the major league level, I'm all for it.

[Tony Cloninger]

LOL, it used to be that age 25 was the key year in becoming a major leaguer. Hamilton will be 25 in September and play at age 25 most of next season.

This has not been a good hitting year for Billy. He was better before last year's ASB, in 2014. He needs to work on this. Let's hope he improves.

Meanwhile, this failing with RISP is just continuous with this team. Maybe Bruce will do something here but it seems never to end.


Frazier did a good job going with the pitch and I know their 1B is not Keith Hernandez with the range there.....but he was able to play off the bag and get to that ball. Or else it is a hit.

Bruce does what he does with runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. I have not seen a quieter #4 in OPS in all of baseball in the last month than Bruce..... but I still am happy for the improvement he has shown and last year that AB would have lasted 3-4 pitches. He battled Kluber and his Burt Wonderstone pitches that are there one minute and then not the next within the same AB.

Byrd is just regressing from the 4 for 4 from last night.

[WrongVerb]

Carlos Santana smoothly walks for the 2nd time this game.

[Tom Servo]

So Adcock can't throw 3 strikes before 4 balls, he can't strike guys out, and he can't hold runners on.

But besides that Mrs. Lincoln...



And now he gives up a monster HR to turn this one into a laugher

[WrongVerb]

Adcock regressing from being a good pitcher.

[50YrRedsFan]

If this one wasn't over yet, it is now. 9-1 Tribe

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Adcock regressing from being a good pitcher.

I don't know if he could regress from where he was.

[Tom Servo]

I've seen enough of Nate Adcock

[WrongVerb]

Good thing I've got a tall glass of Jack & Coke in front of me tonight.

[50YrRedsFan]

Another AAA pitcher on the Reds needs to go.

[Tony Cloninger]

I am glad Price brought him out for a 2nd inning. He hardly threw any pitches the last one. Too many pitchers are one and done in the bullpen.

Can't stand that part of the game and 13 man pitching staffs because of it. Too bad no one told Adcock he had to go another inning and tuned out for his 2nd inning.

[WVRedsFan]

I hope to all that's holy they didn't give Adcock one of Walt's patented multi-year deals...

[WrongVerb]

If this one wasn't over yet, it is now. 9-1 Tribe

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I don't know if he could regress from where he was.

Apparently he can.

Thing is, I'm willing to live with this type of performance in the 2nd half if the team gets some young, exciting players for Cueto/Leake/et al. I'm still bullish on this team in 2016. But if this team stands pat at the deadline like last year, well, I'm checking out until Spring.

[Red Raindog]

tonight's version of Good Night Irene --- the great Dr. John


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krP828y_jqw

[Tom Servo]

He's had his struggles, and I doubt I'd bring him back next year, but you gotta give Badenhop credit for having a rubber arm this season.

[Red Raindog]

Hell On Wheels is back on ---

[Tony Cloninger]

Apparently he can.

Thing is, I'm willing to live with this type of performance in the 2nd half if the team gets some young, exciting players for Cueto/Leake/et al. I'm still bullish on this team in 2016. But if this team stands pat at the deadline like last year, well, I'm checking out until Spring.


Unless all injured players are back healthy and can contribute like Votto and Bruce have come back from theirs.....and no one gets injured next year like Frazier or Name whatever other player has not on this team.....then I am with you that I can get excited provided trades are made and money is allocated to shore up the holes.

[WrongVerb]

He's had his struggles, and I doubt I'd bring him back next year, but you gotta give Badenhop credit for having a rubber arm this season.



Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
April/March 9 39 35 12 16 1 0 2 1 0 3 4 1.33 .457 .500 .657 1.157 23 2 0 1 0 1 1 .483 241 227
May 8 42 37 2 7 1 0 0 2 0 4 3 0.75 .189 .262 .216 .478 8 0 0 0 1 1 0 .200 43 38
June 11 48 47 4 11 2 0 0 0 0 1 8 8.00 .234 .250 .277 .527 13 0 0 0 0 0 1 .282 56 49
July 6 23 21 1 4 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0.00 .190 .261 .286 .547 6 1 0 0 0 1 0 .190 62 56


I'm all for bringing him back next season. In fact he's penciled in in my hypothetical 25-man next year in the pen.

[Tony Cloninger]

He's had his struggles, and I doubt I'd bring him back next year, but you gotta give Badenhop credit for having a rubber arm this season.

You were correct earlier this year when you said he struggled early but then got better as the year wore on. It shows true again this year.

I think they should use him as a multiple inning guy. He pitches better.....when used more.

[Tom Servo]

Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
April/March 9 39 35 12 16 1 0 2 1 0 3 4 1.33 .457 .500 .657 1.157 23 2 0 1 0 1 1 .483 241 227
May 8 42 37 2 7 1 0 0 2 0 4 3 0.75 .189 .262 .216 .478 8 0 0 0 1 1 0 .200 43 38
June 11 48 47 4 11 2 0 0 0 0 1 8 8.00 .234 .250 .277 .527 13 0 0 0 0 0 1 .282 56 49
July 6 23 21 1 4 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0.00 .190 .261 .286 .547 6 1 0 0 0 1 0 .190 62 56

Pretty, pretty good.

Still, it's $4M to bring him back vs. $1.5M to buy him out.

[WrongVerb]

Unless all injured players are back healthy and can contribute like Votto and Bruce have come back from theirs.....and no one gets injured next year like Frazier or Name whatever other player has not on this team.....then I am with you that I can get excited provided trades are made and money is allocated to shore up the holes.

I'm really hoping that Walt moves out of the GM chair after the season and before FA acquisitions start. He's great at getting value for trades but sucks when it comes to shoring up holes with allocated money.

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Pretty, pretty good.

Still, it's $4M to bring him back vs. $1.5M to buy him out.

So about 2.5% of the payroll for a reliable 4% of the roster? I'll take that bet.

[WVRedsFan]

Jumbo returns!

[Tom Servo]

So about 2.5% of the payroll for a reliable 4% of the roster? I'll take that bet.
I could go either way. Right about now, I'm thinking I'd rather try and invest that money in a reliever who can get some strikeouts. But if BB keeps rolling the way he has thru September, I could be convinced.

Jumbo is back.

[WrongVerb]

Jumbo in.

Considering my own svelte, athletic body resembles his, I have a certain affinity for the guy.

['69]

Hamilton noticeably the last couple of weeks has been hitting more balls on the ground and a few bunts mixed in, as luck would have it, Those particular balls haven't equaled much in the way of hits, in time those hits will come...it just would seem to be disheartening to a guy batting .219. Agreed on him batting from the right side only, the splits don't lie.

[Tom Servo]

CJ Nitkowski is a good announcer.

[WrongVerb]

I could go either way. Right about now, I'm thinking I'd rather try and invest that money in a reliever who can get some strikeouts. But if BB keeps rolling the way he has thru September, I could be convinced.

Jumbo is back.

I'm totally convinced my idea of constructing a bullpen based on pitchers designated to pitch in low, medium, or high leverage situations, I don't necessarily need to see a strikeout pitcher who would mainly pitch in low to medium leverage situations.

That said, Jimbo is not at all penciled in in 2016.

And BHam finally slapped one on the ground to the left side. Joy.

[WrongVerb]

CJ Nitkowski is a good announcer.

Points taken away for mentioning Damon Berryhill, who's signing cost the Reds a 1st round draft pick in 1995. Not that they would have known what to do with it anyway, but still, they could have had Carlos Beltran.

[Stray]

Nice game for Phillips and Votto

[Tom Servo]

Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuce! :jump:

3 run jack

9-4, game is still over, but a nice at-bat

[Kc61]

Big home run for Bruce there, hope the scouts were watching carefully.

[WVRedsFan]

Bruce HR. 9-4

[WVRedsFan]

Big home run for Bruce there, hope the scouts were watching carefully.

Do you really think it's a good idea to shop Bruce?

[WrongVerb]

Bruce increases his trade value.

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Do you really think it's a good idea to shop Bruce?

I don't. I want the Reds to hang on to him going forward. Frazier is the one who should be shopped.

[Tony Cloninger]

2nd great AB tonight for Jay and it paid off this time with a nice easy HR swing for him.

[WVRedsFan]

Bruce increases his trade value.

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I wouldn't shop either one of them. This year.

I don't. I want the Reds to hang on to him going forward. Frazier is the one who should be shopped.i wouldn't shop either, at least not until the winter.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Jay Bruce - 196
11. Vada Pinson - 186
12. Joey Votto - 179
13. Brandon Phillips - 173
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

[Stray]

Even tho I know we need to trade away some dudes, I'll still be sad to see them go. Guys like Leake, Cueto, Chapman or whoever else. Except Bruce. I don't dislike him as a player or anything, but in his time here I've had very little fan to player connection with him. Just a guy who plays for my favorite team.

['69]

Villarreal, mop-up extrordinnaire.

[Tom Servo]

I am going to be ridiculously angry if the Reds trade Bruce for some lottery tickets.

['69]

Even tho I know we need to trade away some dudes, I'll still be sad to see them go. Guys like Leake, Cueto, Chapman or whoever else. Except Bruce. I don't dislike him as a player or anything, but in his time here I've had very little fan to player connection with him. Just a guy who plays for my favorite team.

For me it's just the opposite with Jay's youth camps and Veteran outreach. he's a fine player one of a handful I would be really bummed if he got dealt.

[WrongVerb]

I am going to be ridiculously angry if the Reds trade Bruce for some lottery tickets.

Someone said Hal Morris is in town to scout Bruce for the Angels. Heaney is the only Angels prospect that interests me. But I wouldn't want him traded unless a Cueto deal brings back two of Tucker/Santana/Phillips

['69]

I'm here and it's HOT! Whew... Also had to fight to get a parking space close. Luke Bryan is playing tonight @ PBS.

How we lookin?!

[Tom Servo]

We're bad again.

[WVRedsFan]

Our young starting pitcher gives up 6 runs, and The game was over just like that. Why I didn't go watch a movie or something, I do not know.

[Big Klu]

Tonight's "Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game" is Tribe RHP Corey Kluber, who pitched 7 2/3 innings allowing 3 runs on 7 hits (though two of the runs scored after he left the game).

I have a feeling Joe would have wanted to talk to the AL Cy Young Award winner.