PDA

View Full Version : 7.27.15 Reds @ Cardinals



Pages : [1] 2

klw
07-27-2015, 04:07 PM
Phillips 4
Votto 3
Frazier 5
Bruce 9
Pena 2
Byrd 7
Suarez 6
Iglesias 1
Hamilton 8

vs

Wong 2B,
Carpenter 3B,
Peralta SS,
Heyward RF,
Molina C,
Piscotty LF,
Johnson 1B,
Bourjos CF,
Lynn P.


Apparently Rajai Davis just trolled the Best Fans in Baseball
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/rajai-davis-cardinals-twitter-185443014.html

klw
07-27-2015, 04:54 PM
http://images.intellicast.com/WxImages/RadarLoop/spi_None_anim.gif

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 04:58 PM
http://images.intellicast.com/WxImages/RadarLoop/spi_None_anim.gif
Nice night to be in Lansing, Michigan.

TheBigLebowski
07-27-2015, 05:19 PM
This should be a zesty affair.

The boys left it all on the field yesterday but came up heartbreakingly short in a narrow 10 run defeat.

But spirits are always high when these two teams clash.

Throw their respective records out the window. This is war.

A war we never win.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 05:20 PM
No Grichuk? Youngster has the 2nd fastest average exit velocity only behind Mr. Stanton

Strange looking Cardinals lineup

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 05:22 PM
This should be a zesty affair.

The boys left it all on the field yesterday but came up heartbreakingly short in a narrow 10 run defeat.

But spirits are always high when these two teams clash.

Throw their respective records out the window. This is war.

A war we never win.

Garbage lineup by the Cards....Reds got this one. Bruce 14/28 off of Lynn.

I do look for Votto to begin a bit of a struggle, but sure have enjoyed his post break offense.

TheBigLebowski
07-27-2015, 05:30 PM
Over/under for Matt Carpenter RBI's this series:

Setting it at 5.

Count me in as taking the over.

JaxRed
07-27-2015, 05:48 PM
Interesting scheduling quirk... regular season game for the Cards.....exhibition for the Reds.

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 05:59 PM
No Grichuk? Youngster has the 2nd fastest average exit velocity only behind Mr. Stanton

Strange looking Cardinals lineup

I think they are mocking the Reds

villain612
07-27-2015, 06:01 PM
Central time zone sucks.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 06:08 PM
Over/under for Matt Carpenter RBI's this series:

Setting it at 5.

Count me in as taking the over.

He's been average since getting hit in the hand....struggled a good bit and even dropped to 7th in the order. I will set him though at 22.5 pitches seen per game

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 07:34 PM
I think they are mocking the Reds

Cardinals are not mocking birds. Unlike mynas or parakeets.

The Cardinal song is a loud string of clear down-slurred or two-parted whistles, often speeding up and ending in a slow trill. The songs typically last 2 to 3 seconds. Syllables can sound like the bird is singing cheer, cheer, cheer or birdie, birdie, birdie. Males in particular may sing throughout the year, though the peak of singing is in spring and early summer.

ornithologically yours,
Roy

villain612
07-27-2015, 08:02 PM
At least no Thom tonight.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 08:15 PM
http://i.imgur.com/zMwGAxO.png

"How does the (expletive) does this question benefit the Reds?"

villain612
07-27-2015, 08:20 PM
Another no longer elite XBH for Votto.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 08:20 PM
That Votto is so hot right now

ground rule double

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 08:20 PM
That Votto is so hot right now

ground rule double

keep speaking the truth!

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 08:22 PM
Cardinals are not mocking birds. Unlike mynas or parakeets.

The Cardinal song is a loud string of clear down-slurred or two-parted whistles, often speeding up and ending in a slow trill. The songs typically last 2 to 3 seconds. Syllables can sound like the bird is singing cheer, cheer, cheer or birdie, birdie, birdie. Males in particular may sing throughout the year, though the peak of singing is in spring and early summer.

ornithologically yours,
Roy

and are the most likely birds to kill themselves on my house windows.....

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 08:23 PM
Lynn wanted NOTHING to do with Bruce. A shame...but smart.

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 08:26 PM
At least no Thom tonight.

I cannot express my disappointment strongly enough that THom is not manning the mic.

Is he being held out because a trade is in the works? (We can only hope.) Maybe we can get the "Boom goes the dynamite" guy.

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 08:26 PM
2 stranded. :(

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 08:27 PM
and are the most likely birds to kill themselves on my house windows.....

For us, it's doves that brain themselves with a great crash.

Surprised Pena has 0 home runs.

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 08:28 PM
I like Pena -- but that's a pretty empty .280 he's put up this year --- 232 AB -- 14 runs scored -- 11 RBI -- 8 extra base hits -- at least he's added 22 walks

villain612
07-27-2015, 08:30 PM
I like Pena -- but that's a pretty empty .280 he's put up this year --- 232 AB -- 14 runs scored -- 11 RBI -- 8 extra base hits -- at least he's added 22 walks

Good ole batting average.

Hitting .280......but only has a .660 OPS.

villain612
07-27-2015, 08:31 PM
I cannot express my disappointment strongly enough that THom is not manning the mic.

Is he being held out because a trade is in the works? (We can only hope.) Maybe we can get the "Boom goes the dynamite" guy.

I have no idea. I have the basic mlb.tv package, so I only get the home team broadcast. Don't get a choice.

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 08:31 PM
That's a bs hbp. Move your damn foot.

westofyou
07-27-2015, 08:31 PM
Good ole batting average.

Hitting .280......but only has a .660 OPS.

Magic

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 08:31 PM
For us, it's doves that brain themselves with a great crash.

Surprised Pena has 0 home runs.

oddly -- my doves are far smarter than the cardinals -- I bet 80% of the bird crashes are red in color

villain612
07-27-2015, 08:32 PM
Ahh, Iglesias threw that in the Wong place.

Kc61
07-27-2015, 08:32 PM
Good ole batting average.

Hitting .280......but only has a .660 OPS.

Good ole OBP. Has a .345 OBP, fourth best on the team .... but only has a .660 OPS.

villain612
07-27-2015, 08:35 PM
Good ole OBP. Has a .345 OBP, fourth best on the team .... but only has a .660 OPS.

They should bat him leadoff. Seriously.

Tony Cloninger
07-27-2015, 08:35 PM
Why is Pena still hitting higher than Suarez? That I don't get other than too scared to move him up and jinx it.

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 08:36 PM
Magic

http://walkwithalimp.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/boogie3.jpg

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 08:36 PM
Anyone else have an incredible picture on the tv? Almost too bright to watch.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 08:37 PM
That ball was hammered by Heyward....nice catch by Phillips. Had to slo mo it to see how he even caught it. I thought it was on a bad hop but was snagged in the air

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 08:37 PM
Anyone else have an incredible picture on the tv? Almost too bright to watch.

lay off the purple microdot

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 08:38 PM
I forgot about Kelch and am sure he'll irritate me by Wednesday....but I welcome him.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 08:39 PM
lay off the purple microdot

Please explain your joke

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 08:39 PM
LSD eh?

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 08:39 PM
Something that 1B'ers do now is not always tag the runner on a throw over. Votto hardly ever outs down a tag.

I remember Steve Garvey laid a big tag on each throw over BAM BAM BAM and wear out (or piss off) the runner. Garvey was also known for other kinds of big tags.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 08:41 PM
Suarez should be batting 5th.

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 08:42 PM
LSD eh?

not that I would know a thing about that ---- :cool:

- - - Updated - - -

dogging it cost an out there

The Operator
07-27-2015, 08:43 PM
Chris just tore Iggy a new one for not running that one out.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 08:43 PM
Chris just tore Iggy a new one for not running that one out.
he mad

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 08:43 PM
Chris Welsh dogging Iglesias for doing double Cueto speed to 1st.

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 08:44 PM
I don't know why Chris is ripping Iglesias right now. He probably learned how to do that from watching Cueto.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 08:44 PM
I forgot about Kelch and am sure he'll irritate me by Wednesday....but I welcome him.

Can we call him Milquetoast?

Gandalf the Red
07-27-2015, 08:45 PM
Chris Welsh for manager.

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 08:46 PM
not that I would know a thing about that ---- :cool:



To get back to the warning that I received. You may take it with however many grains of salt that you wish. That the brown acid that is circulating around us isn't too good. It is suggested that you stay away from that. Of course it's your own trip. So be my guest, but please be advised that there is a warning on that one, ok?

The Operator
07-27-2015, 08:47 PM
Neck tats K's

cumberlandreds
07-27-2015, 08:48 PM
I cannot express my disappointment strongly enough that THom is not manning the mic.

Is he being held out because a trade is in the works? (We can only hope.) Maybe we can get the "Boom goes the dynamite" guy.

I would trade him for an announcer to be named later.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 08:49 PM
Raisel's stuff is ridiculous. If he can gain durability, we're really cooking. If not, we've got a hell of a reliever.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 08:49 PM
Chris is sort of right: this team doesn't have an edge this year. They're not playing with the attitude that they're not going to let you beat them tonight. They're very business-like, and individuals are having productive seasons, but it's not clicking. I'm not even talking about chemistry (which most will tell you is overrated) but rather an attitude.

The Operator
07-27-2015, 08:52 PM
Iggy K's the side

kbrake
07-27-2015, 08:52 PM
Iglesias looks great for a guy that is destined to end up a reliever like every other young arm the Reds have.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 08:56 PM
Can we call him Milquetoast?

Ok....2 jokes I don't get, fun.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 08:56 PM
Iglesias looks great for a guy that is destined to end up a reliever like every other young arm the Reds have.



I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+
Pitch 1-25 8 46 41 3 8 3 0 0 0 0 5 10 2.00 .195 .283 .268 .551 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 .258 40
Pitch 26-50 8 41 40 1 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 13 .200 .200 .225 .425 9 0 0 1 0 0 0 .296 7
Pitch 51-75 6 39 31 6 16 5 0 1 0 0 6 7 1.17 .516 .605 .774 1.379 24 2 1 1 0 0 0 .652 244
Pitch 76-100 6 27 27 9 9 1 1 2 0 0 0 5 .333 .333 .667 1.000 18 0 0 0 0 0 1 .350 144
Pitch 101+ 3 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0.00 .000 .600 .000 .600 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 .000 67


He's got the stuff. But it falls apart after about 50-70 pitches. That might be coaching, might be mental, might be physical. I'm sure they'll work to improve it, whatever it is. But whether it can be fixed remains to be seen.

TheBigLebowski
07-27-2015, 08:57 PM
Iglesias looks great for a guy that is destined to end up a reliever like every other young arm the Reds have.

Well, with Raisel, it seems like he gets tatooed the 2/3rd time thru each lineup.

Not that I want him there, but I do get where the bullpen guys are coming from on this one.

- - - Updated - - -


Ok....2 jokes I don't get, fun.

Boring. Simple. White bread.

The Operator
07-27-2015, 08:57 PM
Payback for Wong getting hit or an accident?

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 08:57 PM
14 straight games where Votto has reached base...at least TWICE!!! Record is 15 by Pete.

villain612
07-27-2015, 08:57 PM
That was a great pitch to end the inning.

klw
07-27-2015, 08:58 PM
Iglesias didn't pitch last year and was a reliever before that. let him build stamina and innings. Cueto never used to do much past 7 iirc.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 08:59 PM
Ok...I want the announcers to just call the effing game. Iglesias isn't different than 90% of the pitchers that would've done that and Phillips isn't Lou Gehrig.

The Operator
07-27-2015, 08:59 PM
Bases loaded, nobody out. Bruce up.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 08:59 PM
Bases juiced for Bruce.

klw
07-27-2015, 08:59 PM
Following on Gameday, where was Votto hit?

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 09:00 PM
Derek Lilliquist used to be a beanpole.

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:00 PM
That's got to be just the Reds record, right? 15 consecutive games reaching base twice by Rose.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:00 PM
Following on Gameday, where was Votto hit?
Elbow.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:00 PM
14 straight games where Votto has reached base...at least TWICE!!! Record is 15 by Pete.

Yeah, but lazy Adam Dunn did it 13x

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:00 PM
Following on Gameday, where was Votto hit?

Elbow

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:00 PM
I forgot about Kelch and am sure he'll irritate me by Wednesday....but I welcome him.

Personally, I like Kelch. He's vanilla, but I like vanilla. I don't need rocky road all the time.

kbrake
07-27-2015, 09:01 PM
I was being sarcastic on the Iglesias thing. I think given a chance to get stretched out and build his innings he can be a very good starter.

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:02 PM
Bases jacked for Bruce. Full count.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:02 PM
Ball 4 moron

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:02 PM
Bruce fouled off Ball 4 there.

BluegrassRedleg
07-27-2015, 09:02 PM
Solid Bruce AB there. :thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:03 PM
Sac fly. 1-0

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 09:03 PM
Welch is playing the part of Thom tonight, ie cranky get off my lawn guy.

Gandalf the Red
07-27-2015, 09:03 PM
Derek Lilliquist used to be a beanpole.

Back in the days when my brother and I were playing Contra on NES before watching "America's Team" on TBS (because the Reds were televised maybe twice a week back then).

The Operator
07-27-2015, 09:03 PM
1-0 Reds on a Bruce sac fly

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:03 PM
Damn. 6-4-3 to end the threat.

Pena not exactly helping right now. I'd like to see Barnhart MUCH more often. Better defender and he's swinging a very solid bat.

BluegrassRedleg
07-27-2015, 09:03 PM
God bless. That's pretty much CIN-STL in a nutshell.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:03 PM
Bruce may earn himself the Marty B award tonight, foul off ball 4 and hit a sac fly instead.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:04 PM
Personally, I like Kelch. He's vanilla, but I like vanilla.

If it were ever Kelch and Grande it would be vanilla with sprinkles.....and I fear somewhere Cowboy is getting mighty hungry

The Operator
07-27-2015, 09:04 PM
Boy that inning turned out to be wildly disappointing.

/2015Reds

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:04 PM
Suarez should be batting 5th.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 09:05 PM
Reds do what many teams do every night but it only ever seems like our team because we only watch our team on a regular basis: load the bases and get minimal runs out of it.

villain612
07-27-2015, 09:05 PM
Pena batting 5th is dumb.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:05 PM
Bruce may earn himself the Marty B award tonight, foul off ball 4 and hit a sac fly instead.

Well he got the same number of RBI...he just made 1 more meaningless out. Doubtful Suarez would've done anything....

klw
07-27-2015, 09:05 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/forester1/Junk/moran.jpg~original
Ball 4 moron

CarolinaRedleg
07-27-2015, 09:05 PM
God bless. That's pretty much CIN-STL in a nutshell.

Reds gonna Red

TheBigLebowski
07-27-2015, 09:07 PM
Pena may be the first batter in the history of MLB to hit .275+ over the course of a season and drive in no runs. I've never seen anything like him. Guy that size making that much contact should have been able to fart his way to 25 RBI by now.

BluegrassRedleg
07-27-2015, 09:08 PM
Pitch was close enough to fight it off. Had some late action on it. You are being a little tough on JB. I was surprised he made it that deep into the count at all. Was expecting K or 4-6-3.

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:08 PM
Damn. 6-4-3 to end the threat.

Pena not exactly helping right now. I'd like to see Barnhart MUCH more often. Better defender and he's swinging a very solid bat.

I don't see it. I've been disappointed with Barnhart this year. (And I didn't have exceptionally high expections to begin with.)

I've been especially disappointed with his defense.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:08 PM
Swinging at that was the Wong idea.

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:08 PM
KKKK

Chip R
07-27-2015, 09:09 PM
Bruce may earn himself the Marty B award tonight, foul off ball 4 and hit a sac fly instead.

He disqualified himself with a walk in the 1st.

Would have been nice if he took that pitch to walk in a run. If Pena hit that same ball it's only 2 outs and it's 2-0.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:09 PM
Not a good 0-2 pitch to Matt Carpenter.

Chris disagrees, I must be the jamoke.

Kc61
07-27-2015, 09:10 PM
Pena may be the first batter in the history of MLB to hit .275+ over the course of a season and drive in no runs. I've never seen anything like him. Guy that size making that much contact should have been able to fart his way to 25 RBI by now.

I'm seeing 11 RBIs for Pena as of today. No?

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:10 PM
I don't see it. I've been disappointed with Barnhart this year. (And I didn't have exceptionally high expections to begin with.)

His defense has been surprisingly disappointing I'd agree. But he's still extremely gifted with the leather. Regarding his bat, you might want to look at his stats again. Just solid.

Pena in 231 ab's .281/.345/.316/.661 0.5 WAR (.308 babip)
Tucker in 112 ab's .277/.354/.384/.738 0.5 WAR (.308 babip)

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:11 PM
Chris was mad enough to tweet about Iglesias....and then I did my part.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/27/23b57c3503601e37f079a2100b86a38f.jpg

Gandalf the Red
07-27-2015, 09:12 PM
I'm seeing 11 RBIs for Pena as of today. No?

It'd be a lot higher if only he'd eat more cabbage.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:13 PM
Barnhart is what he is, a defense first backup catcher. Not really sure why anybody expects much more or less. Good player to have around, but that's about it.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:15 PM
Good news on Sean Marshall: He might appear on a big league mound sometime around 2020.

The Operator
07-27-2015, 09:15 PM
Did you guys just hear what I heard?

Sean Marshall is on his way back!!!

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:16 PM
His defense has been surprisingly disappointing I'd agree. But he's still extremely gifted with the leather. Regarding his bat, you might want to look at his stats again. Just solid.

Pena in 231 ab's .281/.345/.316/.661 0.5 WAR
Tucker in 112 ab's .277/.354/.384/.738 0.5 WAR

He's hitting better than I expected, but he doesn't have enough offense to be a poor defensive catcher. If he doesn't get things squared away with the glove, then I don't want him in the picture.

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 09:17 PM
Barnhart is what he is, a defense first backup catcher. Not really sure why anybody expects much more or less. Good player to have around, but that's about it.

If he's a defense first guy, he better start playing better defense. Too many balls where he's given it the backhand wave rather than shifting his whole body over and blocking it. Yesterday's David Ross imitation wasn't so great either.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:17 PM
If you put Suarez on steroids, he looks like Jhonny Peralta. And I didn't intend that as a PED joke/shot, but hey, it works.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:18 PM
If it makes anyone feel better the Rockies are no-hitting the Cubs in Wrigley and CarGo is 2/2 with a HR

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:19 PM
If you put Suarez on steroids, he looks like Jhonny Peralta. And I didn't intend that as a PED joke/shot, but hey, it works.

I called that (though not quite in that way) a while back. I said that Suarez reminded me of Peralta back when Jhonny was playing for the Tribe.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:19 PM
Did you guys just hear what I heard?

Sean Marshall is on his way back!!!

That's great! He always sprints to 1st

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:20 PM
He's hitting better than I expected, but he doesn't have enough offense to be a poor defensive catcher. If he doesn't get things squared away with the glove, then I don't want him in the picture.

I agree...but he's NOT a poor defensive catcher. He's nearly an elite one. But even good defenders have bad games. He's had a few. 1 error and 2 passed balls. 14 wild pitches though, but you never know how many of those are on him or the pitcher.

Gandalf the Red
07-27-2015, 09:21 PM
If it makes anyone feel better the Rockies are no-hitting the Cubs in Wrigley and CarGo is 2/2 with a HR

So you're telling us Schwarber has the night off?

TheBigLebowski
07-27-2015, 09:21 PM
I know Pena has 11 rbis. I was trying (and failing) to be funny.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:21 PM
Wow that was a terrible pitch to Molina

OldXOhio
07-27-2015, 09:22 PM
If it makes anyone feel better the Rockies are no-hitting the Cubs in Wrigley and CarGo is 2/2 with a HR

Reminds me of this dominating #1 the Reds once had who used to make CarGo, Tulo and the rest of the Rockos look el stupido.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:23 PM
So you're telling us Schwarber has the night off?

No idea who that is...never heard the name before. LeMahieu did make a play that I'm not sure any other 2nd baseman could make but that shan't be mentioned.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:23 PM
Molina leadoff double. Think he had a big double against Iggy back in April.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:24 PM
I went to Red Lobster the other day and had the Piscotty

Kc61
07-27-2015, 09:24 PM
His defense has been surprisingly disappointing I'd agree. But he's still extremely gifted with the leather. Regarding his bat, you might want to look at his stats again. Just solid.

Pena in 231 ab's .281/.345/.316/.661 0.5 WAR (.308 babip)
Tucker in 112 ab's .277/.354/.384/.738 0.5 WAR (.308 babip)

Pena has had trouble throwing out runners stealing this season. Barnhart has been better, although not top of the line in that department.

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:25 PM
I agree...but he's NOT a poor defensive catcher. He's nearly an elite one. But even good defenders have bad games. He's had a few. 1 error and 2 passed balls. 14 wild pitches though, but you never know how many of those are on him or the pitcher.

There have been at least three wild pitches with him behind the plate that should have been scored passed balls (and I'm pretty lenient in the catcher's favor when it comes to scoring PB's). Also, IMO his effort in blocking balls in the dirt has left something to be desired.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:25 PM
SMH...he knocked the piscotty out of that hanger

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:26 PM
Reminds me of this dominating #1 the Reds once had who used to make CarGo, Tulo and the rest of the Rockos look el stupido.

Yep....Ondrusek

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:28 PM
Bourjos knows what he did.

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:29 PM
There have been at least three wild pitches with him behind the plate that should have been scored passed balls (and I'm pretty lenient in the catcher's favor when it comes to scoring PB's). Also, IMO his effort in blocking balls in the dirt has left something to be desired.

I'm certainly not going to argue as I haven't gotten to see him much this year (limited video access). I'd have to guess that his lack of reps should be taken into account as his limited time working with several unfamiliar pitchers. But when I do get to see him, his footwork is better than any Reds backstop I've ever seen. As is his pop/release. His arm is top notch as well. But I agree that the passed balls/wild pitches are a surprise.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 09:29 PM
Barnhart is what he is, a defense first backup catcher. Not really sure why anybody expects much more or less. Good player to have around, but that's about it.

If they find a RH platoon partner (Sanchez?) that could be a very effective offensive position. Barnhart is OPSing over .700 as a LH hitter. I think there's some promise there.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:30 PM
Reminds me of this dominating #1 the Reds once had who used to make CarGo, Tulo and the rest of the Rockos look el stupido.

CarGo is a career .950 OPS vs Cueto

Tulo at .820

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:31 PM
Danger danger

_Sir_Charles_
07-27-2015, 09:33 PM
*sigh* Granny

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:33 PM
welp, and that's why a walk isn't the worst thing in the world


grand slam

Gandalf the Red
07-27-2015, 09:34 PM
Clearly the wong pitch.

The Operator
07-27-2015, 09:34 PM
Of course

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:34 PM
Jim and Chris were speechless.

BluegrassRedleg
07-27-2015, 09:34 PM
/click

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 09:34 PM
sigh

villain612
07-27-2015, 09:34 PM
I hate the Cardinals.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:35 PM
Cardinals won't even allow any Cincinnati moral victories. They step on the Reds neck and cut the throat every single time.

Kc61
07-27-2015, 09:35 PM
welp, and that's why a walk isn't the worst thing in the world


grand slam

Exactly. With all the pitching coaches on this team, it's disappointing that Iggy would groove one there, obviously to avoid the possible walk.

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:35 PM
I'm certainly not going to argue as I haven't gotten to see him much this year (limited video access). I'd have to guess that his lack of reps should be taken into account as his limited time working with several unfamiliar pitchers. But when I do get to see him, his footwork is better than any Reds backstop I've ever seen. As is his pop/release. His arm is top notch as well. But I agree that the passed balls/wild pitches are a surprise.

Fair enough. :)

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:36 PM
Seriously....just said to my wife. Don't miss in with a bad pitch because his short arms and quick swing will drive it right out of here

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 09:36 PM
I hate the Cardinals.

I've hated them longer

The Operator
07-27-2015, 09:36 PM
Chris crediting The Cards' fans for being so abuzz now after the slam.

Sorry, but if you need a grand slam to get excited when your team has the best record in baseball then you suck. You're the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:37 PM
Jim and Chris were speechless.

Chris was probably tweeting

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 09:38 PM
C'est la vie.

Iglesias had been playing with fire. And Redbirds hitters all have an idea of what they're doing at the plate.

Kc61
07-27-2015, 09:38 PM
It's so depressing to watch the Reds play. I think Walt should immediately make a trade. I need the distraction.

This fear of the walk, the grooving of pitches with men on base, is such a terrible way to pitch. Unbelievable.

Gandalf the Red
07-27-2015, 09:38 PM
Cardinals won't even allow any Cincinnati moral victories. They step on the Reds neck and cut the throat every single time.

This is why we need to sign Chuck Norris in the offseason.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:38 PM
At some point in my lifetime the Cardinals will go through a down period of losing seasons. And some will say "Oh, I hate seeing a classic franchise like the Cardinals struggle." And I will say "You have not seen the things I have seen."

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:39 PM
Steal
Go
Run
1st pitch
Now

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:40 PM
RUN

BLEEDS
07-27-2015, 09:40 PM
Chris crediting The Cards' fans for being so abuzz now after the slam.

Sorry, but if you need a grand slam to get excited when your team has the best record in baseball then you suck. You're the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Lolol!

PEACE

-BLEEDS

Falls City Beer
07-27-2015, 09:40 PM
Just think, the Reds will trot out a rookie or newbie 4 out of every five starts next season until Bailey gets back. Huzzah.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:40 PM
Go Billy!

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:40 PM
Iglesias hits the wall hard the third time through the lineup. That doesn't project well as a starting pitcher.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:40 PM
If you want to feel good about something, anything, Alex Blandino went 3-4 with 2 doubles tonight for Daytona, one day after his return from the DL where he had two hits and a HR. Would not be shocked to see him in a Reds uniform by the end of 2016.

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 09:41 PM
Not sure I want Billy running with no outs.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:41 PM
Billy can't run because Phillips has swung 3x at 2 pitches.

0-2 Billy....RUN, going to be a curve in the dirt.

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 09:41 PM
At some point in my lifetime the Cardinals will go through a down period of losing seasons. And some will say "Oh, I hate seeing a classic franchise like the Cardinals struggle." And I will say "You have not seen the things I have seen."

The Cardinals are the only reason I entertain the idea of an evil deity's existence --- there just might have been a deal made.

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 09:42 PM
Ok, now run.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:42 PM
Not sure I want Billy running with no outs.

Lynn is slow and Molina can't throw out Billy.....and Billy isn't allowed to run when Joey is up.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:43 PM
Ok....slump is on for Votto.

Get on Twitter Chris

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 09:43 PM
This is an amazing stat by none other than the immortal Hall of Fame pitcher Jim Palmer:



I Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+
RISP 540 3440 2959 937 630 103 14 49 36 18 344 574 1.67 .213 .290 .307 .597 908 69 11 42 84 37 31 .240 89
--- 556 9735 8922 193 2065 319 62 193 0 0 793 1246 1.57 .231 .295 .346 .641 3087 0 17 0 0 0 81 .250 102
Men On 555 6382 5626 1115 1284 193 26 110 265 164 518 966 1.86 .228 .292 .330 .622 1859 273 21 133 84 37 70 .253 96
1-- 548 2942 2667 178 654 90 12 61 229 146 174 392 2.25 .245 .294 .357 .651 951 204 10 91 0 0 39 .268 105
-2- 443 1272 1101 203 229 36 8 15 9 2 150 230 1.53 .208 .306 .296 .602 326 0 5 16 0 10 8 .250 91
--3 242 415 335 136 80 17 1 7 1 0 52 58 1.12 .239 .320 .358 .679 120 0 1 0 27 1 2 .246 114
12- 415 913 817 204 169 30 2 16 9 5 68 140 2.06 .207 .270 .307 .577 251 36 3 25 0 0 8 .231 82
1-3 265 401 345 178 83 10 1 8 17 11 25 58 2.32 .241 .273 .345 .617 119 21 1 1 29 1 2 .244 94
-23 165 226 177 105 33 5 1 3 0 0 36 48 1.33 .186 .310 .277 .587 49 0 1 0 12 25 3 .217 87
123 133 213 184 111 36 5 1 0 0 0 13 40 3.08 .196 .230 .234 .464 43 12 0 0 16 0 8 .225 47


In his career he never allowed a grand slam. He walked 13. Seems to me if it was good enough for a HoF pitcher...

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:43 PM
Iglesias hits the wall hard the third time through the lineup. That doesn't project well as a starting pitcher.
This one and the first one against the Cardinals are the only times I honestly think he's hit the wall 'hard'. I remember the Marlins kind of killed him with paper cuts and the games against the Cubs and Nationals were Price leaving him in over 100+ pitches for god knows what reason to help blow up his line.

'69
07-27-2015, 09:43 PM
Reds batters trying to tie the game with one swing in 3..2...1...

They just got the wind knocked out of them for what, the 100th time this year?

Need to go back and see if there were comments regarding Iglesias lolly gagging...Chris was actually hot!

klw
07-27-2015, 09:44 PM
Did Votto really bunt?

villain612
07-27-2015, 09:44 PM
The terrorists have won.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:44 PM
Chris Welsh on Votto bunting down 3 runs and being the hottest hitter on the planet "I don't have a problem one bit with him trying to bunt there"

Kc61
07-27-2015, 09:44 PM
Did Votto just bunt?

Why?

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:45 PM
I know I should stop watching this, yet I keep watching.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 09:45 PM
Iglesias hits the wall hard the third time through the lineup. That doesn't project well as a starting pitcher.

Best to let that play out. Coaches and trainers aren't oblivious.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:45 PM
Shut the #%€{?*~ up Welsh. This is unbelievable.

It was terrible.....just move on. Quit saying how you agree with it.

Kc61
07-27-2015, 09:46 PM
I know I should stop watching this, yet I keep watching.

I just did. I'll check the score later in case it's close.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:46 PM
Did Votto just bunt?

Why?

Chris Welsh completely agrees with him

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 09:46 PM
The left side was wide open. It was just a lousy bunt.

Having said that, I don't ever ever ever want to see Votto bunt. Never ever. Particularly when he's hitting the snot out of the ball.

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 09:47 PM
LOL... I'm watching a Cards feed and the Cards announcers were basically aghast at Votto's bunting "That can't be what Price really wanted was it?"

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 09:48 PM
I'm in season 3 of House of Cards. I may depart here soon. This game has the stench of death about it.

TheBigLebowski
07-27-2015, 09:48 PM
Well, with Raisel, it seems like he gets tatooed the 2/3rd time thru each lineup.

Not that I want him there, but I do get where the bullpen guys are coming from on this one.

- - - Updated - - -



Boring. Simple. White bread.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 09:48 PM
OK, and WHY is Iggy out there again?

androosh
07-27-2015, 09:49 PM
I am so confused about how the top of the fifth played out. But I guess it does go to explain our season.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 09:49 PM
I'm in season 3 of House of Cards. I may depart here soon. This game has the stench of death about it.

Oh man, for 2.5 seasons that was the best show on the planet.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:49 PM
The left side was wide open. It was just a lousy bunt.

Having said that, I don't ever ever ever want to see Votto bunt. Never ever. Particularly when he's hitting the snot out of the ball.

But the pitcher's mound was covered.

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 09:49 PM
I'm in season 3 of House of Cards. I may depart here soon. This game has the stench of death about it.

The Reds would also like to depart the House of Cards.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:50 PM
OK, and WHY is Iggy out there again?
I'm okay with it. Reasonable pitch count. His problem is durability, let him work on it.

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 09:50 PM
Iglesias - 3rd time thru lineup - OPS against 1.284 and higher now with that slam

despite that I agree with Tom - the only way he gets better is to let him within a reasonable count

'69
07-27-2015, 09:50 PM
Put that huge medallion away

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 09:51 PM
1-2-3

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 09:51 PM
Iglesias - 3rd time thru lineup - OPS against 1.284 and higher now with that slam
He's said some dumb things tonight, but I'm with Chris, still a small sample in my mind. Something to keep an eye on, but not definitive proof.

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 09:57 PM
He's said some dumb things tonight, but I'm with Chris, still a small sample in my mind. Something to keep an eye on, but not definitive proof.

combined with the eye test I think the ss is still significant - he loses some sharpness and stuff too soon. Which is actually understandable given his history - reliever in Cuba, sporadic play after defecting, limited chance to log innings in the minors

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 09:58 PM
Nobody has gotten drilled, but 4 hbp is starting to get in the area of someone is going to retaliate soon.

WVRedsFan
07-27-2015, 10:00 PM
Had a town government meeting and got in just in time to see the slam. I couldn't figure out what was happening--all you hear was the sound of the crowd with no commentary from Kelch or Welsh. It's not fun anymore

Roy Tucker
07-27-2015, 10:01 PM
That's enough for me.

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 10:03 PM
It's sad but the Reds came into tonight only 3.5 games from the 2nd worst record in baseball - only the Phils are definitely going to end up worse. 1.5 games from the 4th worst record. It's depressing and it's likely they get worse before they get better.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 10:03 PM
Good, eat it Bourjos.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:05 PM
Tonight's in game trivia...

Arod just hit a HR on this his 40th birthday.....he joins 3 other players in MLB history that hit HR as teenagers and then as a 40 year old.

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 10:06 PM
Well, Iggy pitched 5 good innings. Unfortunately there were 6 of them.

Screw it, I'll take it as a positive.

WVRedsFan
07-27-2015, 10:06 PM
Junior?

Tony Cloninger
07-27-2015, 10:06 PM
I know Pena has 11 rbis. I was trying (and failing) to be funny.

YOu did not fail with me. I LOL! Willie McGee in 1993 had the softest .300 you will ever see....but back then....BA still mattered.

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 10:06 PM
Top of head guess - Mel Ott, Willie Mays and Junior

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 10:07 PM
OK, and WHY is Iggy out there again?

o_O

villain612
07-27-2015, 10:08 PM
Well, Iggy pitched 5 good innings. Unfortunately there were 6 of them.

Screw it, I'll take it as a positive.

My ex was faithful for about 5 years of our relationship. Unfortunately we were together for 6.

Fil3232
07-27-2015, 10:11 PM
I really like Iglesias. His stuff is impressive. With some leg strength and experience I don't see how he can't be a very effective starter. I remember when Cueto and Bailey regularly lost otherwise really quality starts because of one inning or even one batter.

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 10:11 PM
I was thinking Al Kaline.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 10:11 PM
Junior is one.

Ott retired in his mid-30s
I think Mays and Aaron both only played at or after age 20

Robinson?

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:11 PM
Junior?

Nope

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 10:12 PM
Jimmie Foxx?

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:12 PM
Junior is one.

Ott retired in his mid-30s
I think Mays and Aaron both only played at or after age 20

Robinson?

Nope nope nope nope

Tony Cloninger
07-27-2015, 10:12 PM
OK, and WHY is Iggy out there again?


I have a feeling that if Price had the Nasty Boys or the 1999 bullpen....he would still try to squeeze 7 innings out of Scott Scudder or Jason Bere no matter what.

I like starters who can go 7+ plus but when they clearly cannot and struggle to get through 6......and are on innings counts anyways.... I mean is this guy a pitching coach or Not?

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 10:12 PM
Cobb

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:12 PM
Jimmie Foxx?

Nope

'69
07-27-2015, 10:12 PM
Chipper hit one on his 40th, doubt as a teen though..

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:13 PM
Cobb

Cobb YES

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 10:13 PM
Cobb and Junior but I don't know the 3rd

Rusty Staub...I guessed, then cheated and looked him up

I remember when he came up they made a big deal that he hit some homers at 19 for the Colt 45's. I didn't realize he had played til he was 40 though until I looked

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 10:13 PM
My guesses (no looking)

Frank Robinson
Jimmie Foxx
Carl Yazstremski (sp?)

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:13 PM
Chipper hit one on his 40th, doubt as a teen though..

I think he was 22

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:14 PM
My guesses (no looking)

Frank Robinson
Jimmie Foxx
Carl Yazstremski (sp?)

No no no

Mike Honcho
07-27-2015, 10:14 PM
Musial

WVRedsFan
07-27-2015, 10:14 PM
Bunt, Joey. Not

Tony Cloninger
07-27-2015, 10:15 PM
Tonight's in game trivia...

Arod just hit a HR on this his 40th birthday.....he joins 3 other players in MLB history that hit HR as teenagers and then as a 40 year old.


Just to make this year even worse.....The Yankees are winning and have no business doing so with that average lineup and rotation. My god.... the equivalent of Juan Castro is playing SS and 2B for them and producing when they need it.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:15 PM
Folks....Griffey never did it. No HR in 2010 his age 40 year. Nov birthday so he was a couple months short

Tony Cloninger
07-27-2015, 10:16 PM
Minnie Minoso could have done it in his 50's if they would have just given him a chance.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:16 PM
Just to make this year even worse.....The Yankees are winning and have no business doing so with that average lineup and rotation. My god.... the equivalent of Juan Castro is playing SS and 2B for them and producing when they need it.

Gregorius has jumped that average up considerable each month

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:17 PM
Musial

Nope

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:18 PM
Cobb
Staub

Need one more

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 10:18 PM
well Junior surprises me. Thought he passed the 40 mark before calling it quits. So we are still missing one.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:19 PM
HINT:

Wrists

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 10:19 PM
Yount?

'69
07-27-2015, 10:19 PM
Pena batting 5th is dumb.

Yep, I don't get it.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 10:20 PM
Junior played in his year 40 season but did not have a home run.

ARod
Cobb
Staub
???

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:20 PM
Yount?

Nope

NoCalRed
07-27-2015, 10:20 PM
Sheffield

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:20 PM
Junior played in his year 40 season but did not have a home run.

ARod
Cobb
Staub
???

Think....wrists

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:21 PM
It is Gary Sheffield

Big Klu
07-27-2015, 10:21 PM
Cobb
Staub

Need one more

Tris Speaker?

Never mind. Didn't see that the answer was given.

RedlegJake
07-27-2015, 10:22 PM
wrists? SHeffield? Tool ate- I see you answered

I didn;t think SHeffield started that young, and I thought Griffey had one after 40. Wrong on both ends

BluegrassRedleg
07-27-2015, 10:22 PM
Tonight's in game trivia...

Arod just hit a HR on this his 40th birthday.....he joins 3 other players in MLB history that hit HR as teenagers and then as a 40 year old.

Junior?
McCovey?
Ted Williams?

Banshee
07-27-2015, 10:23 PM
This ump is seriously messing up, pitches missing by 2+inches and calling 'em strikes... Can't blame Frazier for swinging at everything from his eyes to his toes on that AB, turrrible.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:23 PM
What Frazier (and I said this in April) the Cardinals are too savvy to throw a good to hit fastball to anyone highly regarded with a chance to tie the game....count does not matter. 1-0, 1-2, 3-1....doesn't matter. They know the Reds will refuse walk and be aggressive.

'69
07-27-2015, 10:23 PM
Bizarre stat, pitchers Gaylord Perry and Phil Niekro each had hit home runs after age 40

BluegrassRedleg
07-27-2015, 10:25 PM
This ump is seriously messing up, pitches missing by 2+inches and calling 'em strikes... Can't blame Frazier for swinging at everything from his eyes to his toes on that AB, turrrible.

That's why you see STL's pitcher not throwing anything over the plate and the Reds' pitcher caving in and throwing a meatball.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 10:25 PM
Beardedhop in to pitch

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:25 PM
Thanks for playing guys

Arod joins Cobb, Staub and Sheffield (I might've guessed Pudge or Vizquel)

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 10:26 PM
Think....wrists

This is a family board! :D

BluegrassRedleg
07-27-2015, 10:26 PM
What Frazier (and I said this in April) the Cardinals are too savvy to throw a good to hit fastball to anyone highly regarded with a chance to tie the game....count does not matter. 1-0, 1-2, 3-1....doesn't matter. They know the Reds will refuse walk and be aggressive.

Exactly. They don't give in. Ever. It's like watching the mid-90s Braves staff, albeit not the same talent level. Same mentality.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:27 PM
Pudge Rodriguez fell a couple months almost exactly like Griffey

BluegrassRedleg
07-27-2015, 10:28 PM
Thanks for playing guys

Arod joins Cobb, Staub and Sheffield (I might've guessed Pudge or Vizquel)

Vizquel came to mind orginally. I think he's one of 4-5 guys who hit one in four different decades, IIRC.

That used to be one of my favorite baseball trivia questions. Can't remember exactly who the guys were off the top of my head, but I'm thinking it was Ted Williams, Willie McCovey, Rickey Henderson and Omar Vizquel. That last guy was the one that always drove people nuts trying to get.

Ironman92
07-27-2015, 10:29 PM
Vizquel just turned 22 on his 1st

Tom Servo
07-27-2015, 10:31 PM
I'm coming around a bit on the idea of keeping Badenhop next year.

WrongVerb
07-27-2015, 10:37 PM
Vizquel came to mind orginally. I think he's one of 4-5 guys who hit one in four different decades, IIRC.

That used to be one of my favorite baseball trivia questions. Can't remember exactly who the guys were off the top of my head, but I'm thinking it was Ted Williams, Willie McCovey, Rickey Henderson and Omar Vizquel. That last guy was the one that always drove people nuts trying to get.

Ryan '67-'93
Junior '89-'10
Kaat '59-'83

BluegrassRedleg
07-27-2015, 10:40 PM
Ryan '67-'93
Junior '89-'10
Kaat '59-'83

Junior failed to hit one in 2010. Who was Ryan?

Red Raindog
07-27-2015, 10:40 PM
I'm coming around a bit on the idea of keeping Badenhop next year.

He had a terrible 1st 7 innings to start the year