8/12/2015 Reds at Friars Day Game

[cumberlandreds]

Day game today at 3:40 pm.. Phillips is off today.


1. Billy Hamilton (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) CF
2. Eugenio Suarez (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) SS
3. Joey Votto (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 1B
4. Todd Frazier (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 3B
5. Jay Bruce (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) RF
6. Marlon Byrd (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) LF
7. Brayan Pena (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) C
8. Ivan De Jesus (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 2B
9. Raisel Iglesias (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) P


1. Yangervis Solarte (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (S) 3B
2. Yonder Alonso (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) 1B
3. Matt Kemp (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) RF
4. Justin Upton (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) LF
5. Jedd Gyorko (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) 2B
6. Derek Norris (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) C
7. Will Venable (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) CF
8. James Shields (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (R) P
9. Alexi Amarista (http://www.baseballpress.com/lineups#) (L) SS

[cumberlandreds]

This is Wayback Wednesday for the Padres. They will be wearing their old pinstripe uniforms of the 80's today.

[Ironman92]

I will not be around for today's game thread so someone else will have to do a couple reverse jinxes (reversies I call them)....sarcastically compliment Skip (gritty is a must use descriptor) and maybe a trivia question.

[Rantly]

I will not be around for today's game thread so someone else will have to do a couple reverse jinxes (reversies I call them)....sarcastically compliment Skip (gritty is a must use descriptor) and maybe a trivia question.
I'll take the first one. I feel a bad outing coming today for Iglesias.

[Big Klu]

This is Wayback Wednesday for the Padres. They will be wearing their old pinstripe uniforms of the 80's today.

Better than what they have now, but my favorite Padres uniform is the ones from around 1979 to '84 (the ones they wore in the World Series vs. the Tigers).

[757690]

In my opinion, the Padres have the ugliest history of uniforms. They keep changing them, trying different and funky fonts and colors and none of them have ever worked, in my opinion.

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Hamilton gets an extra chance to make an out today. Hooray

[Big Klu]

In my opinion, the Padres have the ugliest history of uniforms. They keep changing them, trying different and funky fonts and colors and none of them have ever worked, in my opinion.

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Hamilton gets an extra chance to make an out today. Hooray

The Padres need to stick with brown and gold, with a little orange trim.

http://content.sportslogos.net/news/2013/12/San-Diego-Padres-1984.jpg

[Tom Servo]

Maybe it's just because they were from before I was born so I can't appreciate them, but I think those brown and yellow Padres uniforms as well the Astros rainbow uniforms that people like were both ugly as sin.

I like the look they are sporting today.

[reds44]

I've seen it mentioned a few times, but is Hamilton going to drop hitting left handed in the offseason?

[Big Klu]

Maybe it's just because they were from before I was born so I can't appreciate them, but I think those brown and yellow Padres uniforms as well the Astros rainbow uniforms that people like were both ugly as sin.

I like the look they are sporting today.

Today's uniforms are their second-best look.

http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/files/2014/06/Tony-Gwynn-1987-Getty-Images.jpg



Here's a look at the corresponding road uniform, modeled by former Reds manager Jack McKeon.

http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img/photos/2015/06/15/AP8908040481_r620x413.jpg?67d6da46cf1438ad26b8015f 732435a7128f8cdd

[Tom Servo]

Votto single score Billy

1-0 Redlegs

[757690]

Scoreboard having fun on way back Wednesday

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[ScotlandRed]

Not one ball in the zone to Frazier according to Gameday. Still uselessly hacking away up there.

[Tom Servo]

Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce just misses a 3 run HR, settles for the two run triple.

3-0 Redlegs

[Big Klu]

Bruce two-run triple scores Suarez and Votto!

3-0 Redlegs!

[757690]

Whatch u taking about Marlon?

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[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Lol at Wayback Marlon on the scoreboard. What you talkin about Byrd man?

Not so lol on the strikeout.

[ScotlandRed]

With the amount he has played this season and the order in the line up. It seems incredible Pena only has 13 RBI

[Tom Servo]

Pena just misses extra bases, I thought for a second he had finally hit his first HR.

[Chip R]

Not one ball in the zone to Frazier according to Gameday. Still uselessly hacking away up there.

That's just Todd being Todd. Difference is he connected with more of those in the 1st half of the season than he has in the 2nd.

[ScotlandRed]

That's just Todd being Todd. Difference is he connected with more of those in the 1st half of the season than he has in the 2nd.

He looked more plate-smart up there in the first half. He would still swing at stuff outside the zone, but he looked more disciplined. That seems to have disappeared this past month.

[Tom Servo]

Yonder Alonso has made it his life's mission to crush the Reds whenever he plays them, while being sub-par or worse against every other team in the league.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Hmmm. That didn't take long.

[757690]

Kemp has been back to his old self the second half of the season.

[Tom Servo]

I knew that lead off HBP to Solarte would haunt, but jeez.

[ScotlandRed]

Good god almighty.

[androosh]

That was a fun lead.

Oh wait....'So that could have gone better'.

[Chip R]

He looked more plate-smart up there in the first half. He would still swing at stuff outside the zone, but he looked more disciplined. That seems to have disappeared this past month.

I'll bet you he's swinging at stuff outside the strike zone at about the same rate as he did in the first half of the season.

I'm not so sure getting someone like Todd to be more disciplined would be productive. I think if these guys were more patient, it would be counter-productive.

[Tom Servo]

Iglesias' stuff looks fine, but his body language strikes me as being off, even before the HR.

[ScotlandRed]

I'll bet you he's swinging at stuff outside the strike zone at about the same rate as he did in the first half of the season.

I'm not so sure getting someone like Todd to be more disciplined would be productive. I think if these guys were more patient, it would be counter-productive.

I'm not sure how to figure that out so maybe one of the stat guys can help out, but I think forcing pitches to throw more strikes to Frazier would be productive. Yes, he's one of the best bad ball hitters in the game, but he can mash stuff in the zone too.

[ScotlandRed]

Seems like Iggy getting squeezed low in the zone according to gameday.

[RedTeamGo!]

Iglesias and Lorenzen are soooo both going to end up in the bullpen.

[Tom Servo]

Padres give away an out on the basepaths, but the inning continues with a Norris double. This is v. depressing.

[Big Klu]

With DeJesus at 2B and Suarez at SS, it's likely that they yelled for Iglesias to step off in Spanish.

[Tom Servo]

Iglesias and Lorenzen are soooo both going to end up in the bullpen.
nope.jpg

[ScotlandRed]

Iglesias and Lorenzen are soooo both going to end up in the bullpen.

I think there in more chance with Lorenzen, but Iglesias off speed stuff has given me hope he can be a solid MOR starter.

[RedTeamGo!]

nope.jpg

It's not like I am alone in this, most scouts and rival execs believe this IIRC.

[ScotlandRed]

Billy Hamilton reminds me of chicken little.

[Tom Servo]

It's not like I am alone in this, most scouts and rival execs believe this IIRC.
I factor those reports in, but 'most say' doesn't mean a whole lot, plus I also go by my eyes and the numbers. Iglesias and Lorenzen are both weird cases, neither one is like a Keyvius Sampson who has spent the last 6 years as a starting pitcher (with a brief stop in the bullpen) in the minors. Lorenzen can throw, obviously, but isn't a pitcher yet. Iglesias is essentially fresh off the boat, he's rail thin, and is still striking out batters at a great clip. They are not finished products or anything close to it. If you want to put them in the bullpen to grow further, I guess I can see that. But a "Nah, they suck, just stick em in the bullpen" mindset is silly.

[Tom Servo]

Votto 2-2, but I can't remember if we pay him to hit singles or not.

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Frazier doubles, Votto goes to third. Frazier ain't dead yet.

[ScotlandRed]

I knew swinging freely would see Todd out his slump

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Whoops. Shields fakes to third, which is apparently a balk. 4-3 Reds.

[Tom Servo]

lol Shields forgot faking a throw to third was a balk now

4-3 Reds

http://i.imgur.com/CTzT2wG.jpg?1

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Jay "Wheels" Bruce with the swipe of second.

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And Byrd again can't lay off the offspeed stuff. 2 down.

[Tom Servo]

C'mon Byrd man, what are you swinging at.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Pena walks to load em up. Here comes the Jesus.

[Chip R]

I'm not sure how to figure that out so maybe one of the stat guys can help out, but I think forcing pitches to throw more strikes to Frazier would be productive. Yes, he's one of the best bad ball hitters in the game, but he can mash stuff in the zone too.

Lord knows there are no shortage of stat guys around here. ;) Tell you what, we'll make a friendly bet: If Todd is swinging at significantly more pitches outside the strikezone in the 2nd half of the season, the next time I'm in Edinburgh or you're in Cincinnati, I'll buy you a beer and if he isn't you buy me one.

You would think having him swing less at stuff outside the zone would be productive but I'm not so sure. It would probably help most people out - especially when they are in the minors - but if they are still doing it once they get to the Show and they are productive like Todd, having them change may mess them up. Say a guy like Vlad Guerrero. His strike zone was pretty much the whole area code but he still hit well. If he were more patient, maybe he would have hit better (although I'm not sure how much he could improve on what he did) but maybe it would get him thinking too much up there and he'd be thinking more about what pitches to swing at than just making hard contact. Of course there's no way of knowing if that could happen and there's no real way to measure it but I just don't think the same hitting style works for everyone.

Now when Sosa was hitting all those HRs back in the late 90s, he became quite a bit more patient cause he used to swing at everything but some of that was because he was getting pitched around a bunch.

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Ivan strikes out swinging.

But it's an RBI (Run Balked In) for the Redlegs. 4-3 going to the bottom of the 3rd.

[ScotlandRed]

Lord knows there are no shortage of stat guys around here. ;) Tell you what, we'll make a friendly bet: If Todd is swinging at significantly more pitches outside the strikezone in the 2nd half of the season, the next time I'm in Edinburgh or you're in Cincinnati, I'll buy you a beer and if he isn't you buy me one.

You would think having him swing less at stuff outside the zone would be productive but I'm not so sure. It would probably help most people out - especially when they are in the minors - but if they are still doing it once they get to the Show and they are productive like Todd, having them change may mess them up. Say a guy like Vlad Guerrero. His strike zone was pretty much the whole area code but he still hit well. If he were more patient, maybe he would have hit better (although I'm not sure how much he could improve on what he did) but maybe it would get him thinking too much up there and he'd be thinking more about what pitches to swing at than just making hard contact. Of course there's no way of knowing if that could happen and there's no real way to measure it but I just don't think the same hitting style works for everyone.

Now when Sosa was hitting all those HRs back in the late 90s, he became quite a bit more patient cause he used to swing at everything but some of that was because he was getting pitched around a bunch.

Sounds like you got yourself a deal;)

I agree when you have a unique player/swing like Frazier it may be dangerous to tamper with what has brought success., however when in an elongated slump like Todd it may have been useful to try a slightly different approach.

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Our guys haven't looked to smart against Shields off speed stuff tonight.

[NebraskaRed]

Blue Jays have signed Heisey.

The band isn't getting back together.

[Tom Servo]

Blue Jays have signed Heisey.

The band isn't getting back together.
But we can still get Stubby.

[50YrRedsFan]

Blue Jays have signed Heisey.

The band isn't getting back together.

Thank you Toronto

[klw]

Blue Jays have signed Heisey.

The band isn't getting back together.

Stubbs just DFA'd so it could have been 2011 all over again
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/drew-stubbs-designated-rockies.html

[Chip R]

Blue Jays have signed Heisey.

The band isn't getting back together.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQpX--WRz0#action=share

[50YrRedsFan]

But we can still get Stubby.

If the Reds were to acquire Stubbs, I would seriously look elsewhere for a team to root for.

[NebraskaRed]

Nice inning by Iglesias

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Nice inning by Iglesias

Indeed - striking out Alonso, Kemp and Upton in order.

[Tom Servo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQpX--WRz0#action=share
My favorite commercial ever, for the following reasons:

Welsh's lone tear
Bronson's spastic head movements
Beef Hooooooagie
The stare at the end

[Chip R]

My favorite commercial ever, for the following reasons:

Welsh's lone tear
Bronson's spastic head movements
Beef Hooooooagie
The stare at the end

As a singer, Bronson's a pretty good pitcher.

[Tom Servo]

If the Reds were to acquire Stubbs, I would seriously look elsewhere for a team to root for.
Billy Hamilton: .223/.268/.282
Drew Stubbs: .216/.286/.431

:dunno:

[50YrRedsFan]

Indeed - striking out Alonso, Kemp and Upton in order.

Iglesias has the stuff.....just needs experience and to spot pitches better. Of the current pitchers on the roster, I think Iggy has the best chance to be a near TOR starter.

[50YrRedsFan]

Billy Hamilton: .223/.268/.282
Drew Stubbs: .216/.286/.431

:dunno:
Hamilton is 23, so there's hope............Stubbs is 30-31?, no hope. And Billy is the best fielding CF in MLB. Stubbs so-so

[Chip R]

Iglesias has the stuff.....just needs experience and to spot pitches better. Of the current pitchers on the roster, I think Iggy has the best chance to be a near TOR starter.

He had a rough 1st inning in AZ in his last start too but recovered to pitch a gem.

[klw]

Iglesias has now struck out 6 of last 7

[NebraskaRed]

4Ks in a row, 6 of the last 7 batters he has faced.

[Tom Servo]

7 strikeouts so far for Iggy.

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4Ks in a row, 6 of the last 7 batters he has faced.
bullpen or whatever

[NebraskaRed]

Iglesias definitely needs more experience, but I don't know how you look at him and say he's not cut out to be a starter.

[Tom Servo]

Iggy deflects one off his glove but gets to it as he is slightly faster than David Holmberg.

[Big Klu]

Former Padres Cy Young Award winner Randy Jones is Chris and Jim's guest in the booth. Good interview. Very knowledgeable about pitching.

[50YrRedsFan]

Former Padres Cy Young Award winner Randy Jones is Chris and Jim's guest in the booth. Good interview. Very knowledgeable about pitching.

The Kelch & Welch [sic] show. :D

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds gone quickly in the 5th. Shields at 85 pitches thru 5.

[NebraskaRed]

Iglesias has retired 13 in a row. Imagine how great he'd be in the bullpen.

[Big Klu]

Oh Chris. You thought that Star Trek was in black & white?

You just tipped your hand that you didn't have a color TV when you were a kid.

http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/star-trek-original-tv-cast.jpg

[TRF]

The Demon's Head is dealing. Seriously, his pitches MOVE. Left, right. Up down, everything has some wicked movement on it.

He's going to figure out that first inning thing. But man oh man, do I love me some Demon K's.

I love this nickname.

[ScotlandRed]

Byrd looking silly today.

[_Sir_Charles_]

The Demon's Head is dealing. Seriously, his pitches MOVE. Left, right. Up down, everything has some wicked movement on it.

He's going to figure out that first inning thing. But man oh man, do I love me some Demon K's.

I love this nickname.

Lorenzen's the one who needs to figure out the first inning IMO. I'm at the point now where I think they might be better served sending Michael back down.

[Big Klu]

Lorenzen's the one who needs to figure out the first inning IMO. I'm at the point now where I think they might be better served sending Michael back down.

Not including today, Louisville has only 25 games left.

[TRF]

Not including today, Louisville has only 25 games left.

That's 5 starts. Lorenzen could use the break and Lamb has nothing left to prove at AAA

[NebraskaRed]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMPPfb9VAAAIF-L.jpg

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

16 in a row set down by Iggy.

[TRF]

Why vandalize a perfectly good game thread?

[Big Klu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMPPfb9VAAAIF-L.jpg

Somebody has been drinking a few too many Iron City's.

[Big Klu]

DatDudePH single (for Iglesias)
Billy walk
Suarez sac bunt
Joey IBB

[Tom Servo]

World Pee Champs

[Big Klu]

World Pee Champs

Obviously you've never tasted Iron City, or you would realize they are one and the same!

[WVRedsFan]

Gotta wonder why you take the bat out of the hands of two of the team's best hitters?

[Big Klu]

Frazier SF scores DatDudePH, Billy to 3rd.

[WVRedsFan]

DatDudePH?

[TRF]

Gotta wonder why you take the bat out of the hands of two of the team's best hitters?

Agreed. They gave them a free out to move runners that frankly would have scored anyway. Shields was gassed and Votto would likely have come up with 1B open, nobody out or runners at the corners nobody out with a run in.

I sometimes hate "the book".

[Big Klu]

Every time I see an Apollo commercial, I wish Jamie would beat the tar out of THom. (And he could probably could, because one thing I know about plumbers is that they are strong.)

[ScotlandRed]

Called strike 3 to Bruce looked outside

[Big Klu]

DatDudePH?

He pinch hit for Iglesias to lead off the inning.

[WVRedsFan]

They played into the Padres' hands. Two on, nobody out, so they bunt. they walk Votto for the open base. Bring in a righty to pitch to Frazietr and he hits a fly ball and a run scores. Lefty in for Bruce and he looks at strike three. Two of your best hitters get the bats taken out of their hands for one run. The run is good, but it could have been so much more.

[Big Klu]

Agreed. They gave them a free out to move runners that frankly would have scored anyway. Shields was gassed and Votto would likely have come up with 1B open, nobody out or runners at the corners nobody out with a run in.

I sometimes hate "the book".

Price played for one run, and yes, that's all he got. But he evidently felt that getting that one insurance run to go from being up 4-3 to 5-3 was important.

Time will tell whether he was right.

[Big Klu]

Jerko singles off new Reds pitcher Diaz
Norris M's
Venable grounds into a 6-3 yessiree.

[Chip R]

Jerko singles off new Reds pitcher Diaz


The Jerko store called and they are out of him.

[Tom Servo]

The Jerko store called and they are out of him.
Reds.com actually used that in their story last night

http://i.imgur.com/LsfIZjG.png

[Tom Servo]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-woozshJU154/Ul97lMcr_hI/AAAAAAAArhI/EqP2KxeCgLA/s1600/101613s132.jpg

gritty

[Big Klu]

Byrd singles
Peña flies out to RF
Ivan Jr. K's
Skip (PH for Diaz) K's

[ScotlandRed]

Skippy strike 3 swinging on a pitch that almost went over the catch.

Grit

[Big Klu]

J.J. Hoover in to pitch.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I agree with Marty. I'd get Chapman up RIGHT NOW. He hasn't been used in the 8th inning yet all season.

6 straight balls to start the inning. Got a gift pop out for #1.

[Tom Servo]

Hoover walks too many guys.

[_Sir_Charles_]

4-6-3 yessirree!

[ScotlandRed]

Hoover has had a good season, but since the ASB every out seems to be a struggle.

Did well here.

[Big Klu]

PH Wallace walks
Amarista fouls out to 3B
Solarte grounds into a 4-6-3 yessiree

[_Sir_Charles_]

:jump: VOTTO! 7-3 Redlegs. #20 for Joey

[Tom Servo]

Votto! :jump:

[Fil3232]

No matter the Reds record, I'll always have Votto at bats. That was a thing of beauty.

[ScotlandRed]

Frazier's AB was as bad as Votto's was good.

[NebraskaRed]

Padres announcers sure love their "Down goes Frazier" joke

[Big Klu]

RH Billy flies out to the track in LF
Gene, Gene the Dancing Machine singles to LF
Joey V 2-run HR!
Todd K's
Bruce grounds out to SS

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Jay Bruce - 200
10. Barry Larkin - 198
11. Vada Pinson - 186
12. Joey Votto - 183
13. Brandon Phillips - 176
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101
26. Todd Frazier - 101

[Big Klu]

Padres announcers sure love their "Down goes Frazier" joke

Who are the Padres announcers?

[Raisor]

If you took the over on Votto home runs at 19.5 you are a winner

[ScotlandRed]

Filthy slider

[Raisor]

Padres announcers sure love their "Down goes Frazier" joke

When he homers my dad says either "around goes Frazier" or sometimes "downtown goes Frazier"

[Fil3232]

This is the most offspeed stuff I've seen Chapman throw in one outing.

[_Sir_Charles_]

There are days when watching Chapman just disgusts me. We've had him for SIX YEARS...and he's just now reaching 300 ip. Talk about a waste of a precious resource. Arrrrrrgh!

[_Sir_Charles_]

A:roll:dis! And this one belongs to the Reds!

http://i.imgur.com/Adiae.gif

[Big Klu]

Chapman in.

Yonder K's
Kemp K's
JUpton singles to CF, takes 2nd on indifference
Jerko flies out to RF

ATOBTTR!

[Gallen5862]

"And This One Belongs To The Reds."

[Tom Servo]

We're good again! :beerme:

[Big Klu]

Today's "Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game" is Joey Votto, who was 3-for-4 with a HR, 3 RBI's, 3 runs scored, and a BB.

[PuffyPig]

While Chapman is indeed a luxury, I like the fact that in the 8th inning I just hope Hoover can get through it with the lead, because if he can, I know the Reds will win. It never occurs to me that Chappy might actually blow the game.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Today's "Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game" is Joey Votto, who was 3-for-4 with a HR, 3 RBI's, 3 runs scored, and a BB.

That'll work. :beerme:

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nice showing by the Demon's Head, too. He's looking better just about each time out.

[cumberlandreds]

Who are the Padres announcers?

One of them was Mark Davis. I don't know who the PBP guys was. Dick Enberg has been off this week. Atleast we will get Scully the rest of week in LA.

Iglesias is looking better and better. Right now the Reds have two starters going into next season I feel comfortable with,Disco and Iglesias. After that could be problematical.