08162015 Reds @ Dodgers

[Razor Shines]

I don't know if it will make any change but I figured it's time for me to start posting game threads again....but I'm not playing for Gene Hackman, ya'll forget he punched a kid?

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[Ironman92]

For no reason....we'll wear out Greinke, he stands little chance.

[Banshee]

Predicted game length w/ Grienke: 2:20 total.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Tough to swallow being down 2-1 in the series and not having faced ZG or CK yet. :(

[Banshee]

No-no, perfecto gone, Votto doubles. Baby steps.

[Tom Servo]

That Votto is so hot right now.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Votto: "Greinke: Pfffffft."

[Banshee]

Frazier: "Greinke: Where the *(#$ did that slider go?"

[Tom Servo]

Rollins is just wearing our pitchers out.

[Banshee]

Nice play by Suarez and turn by BP.

[Tom Servo]

Yesiree!


You mean "a terrific start to that double play by *the error prone* Eugenio Suarez", Jim.

[Razor Shines]

Bruce the machine

[Razor Shines]

Tough to swallow being down 2-1 in the series and not having faced ZG or CK yet. :(

I get all my underwear from CKZG.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Pretty weak crowd there today.

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I get all my underwear from CKZG.

Underwear's for suckers. I'm out there, Jerry, and I'm lovin' it!!!

[Tom Servo]

Puig with an infield single, he should have been rung up on what was called ball 2.

[Razor Shines]

That was a better run down.

Almost as good as this Rundown

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[Kc61]

Bruce the machine

Yeah, just automatic.

[Razor Shines]

Yeah, just automatic.

He's closing in on 200 hits now, right?

[Ironman92]

Predicted game length w/ Grienke: 2:20 total.

3:34

[Ironman92]

Pretty weak crowd there today.

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Underwear's for suckers. I'm out there, Jerry, and I'm lovin' it!!!

It's 99 degrees in the blistering sun

[Kc61]

He's closing in on 200 hits now, right?

Gradually, yeah.

[Tom Servo]

96 mph on the fastball from Disco to get Pederson swinging(!)

[BluegrassRedleg]

It's 99 degrees in the blistering sun

In Cincinnati, that's called "August."

Lightweights.

[Razor Shines]

In Cincinnati, that's called "August."

Lightweights.

In Texas that's called 8 am.

[Kc61]

I think the Reds have 2/5 of next year's rotation in place. Disco and Iglesias. Both look like solid guys for the next few years.

Will be interesting to see how they fill out the rotation next season.

I'd like to see Stephenson with one spot and Finnegan with another. Maybe Lamb to fill it out.

Nice catch by Byrd. Scully says "wow".

[BluegrassRedleg]

Fox On the Run > Bird On The Run

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In Texas that's called 8 am.

:D

[Razor Shines]

Greinke's on today, he even K'd the machine.

[Razor Shines]

Huge K of Eithier. Great pitch.

[Tom Servo]

Awesome pitching by Disco to strikeout Ethier and Puig to end the threat and inning.

[Red Raindog]

Major league pitch to get Puig

[Razor Shines]

Bang bang back to back Ks. That was impressive.

[Red Raindog]

youtube highlight reel stuff for the ball boy

[BCubb2003]

In Texas that's called 8 am.

In Syracuse we have no word for that.

[Tom Servo]

The announcers mentioned how DeSclafani always looks unflappable on the mound and never shows emotion. I found this Twitter bit from the offseason funny, fellow young guns Noah Syndegaard and Archie Bradley busting on Disco for always looking so srs

http://i.imgur.com/vmEHI97.png

[Tom Servo]

1-0 Redlegs on a sac fly from Billy

[Razor Shines]

1-0 Redlegs on a sac fly from Billy

Votto wouldn't have done that, therefore Billy > Votto.

[Tom Servo]

Knew Chris Welsh was jinxing it with his 'pitching a gem' line

1-1 tie on a Pederson HR

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well crap

Greinke homers. 2-1 Dodgers.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I don't know if it will make any change but I figured it's time for me to start posting game threads again....but I'm not playing for Gene Hackman, ya'll forget he punched a kid?

Nice Hoosiers quote.

:( Back to back. Pederson and Zack.

[Red Raindog]

less than major league pitches those last two ====

[Banshee]

Pow, Pow! Ugh.

[BluegrassRedleg]

So ridiculous. So predictable.

[OnBaseMachine]

Fastballs right down the middle don't work out too well. Disco has had terrible fastball command today.

[Razor Shines]

Oh come on. "S" it Greinke.

[Raisor]

So ridiculous. So predictable.

If you predicted Grienke would go yard there I'm impressed

[OnBaseMachine]

His slider has been nasty today though.

[Razor Shines]

Nice Hoosiers quote.

:( Back to back. Pederson and Zack.

Being a Hoosier, I thought it was applicable.

[Tom Servo]

I'm not too mad at Disco. A fastball down the middle to the opposing pitcher makes some sense, but obviously there are times you get burned on it. That was one of them.

[Ironman92]

Joc surprised him with a long one then he let his guard down and Greinke burned him. Greinke smelled a W....his to lose now

[BluegrassRedleg]

If you predicted Grienke would go yard there I'm impressed

That was in reference to him giving up the lead as soon as he got it. But, yeah, you should be impressed.

[Razor Shines]

Joc surprised him with a long one then he let his guard down and Greinke burned him. Greinke smelled a W....his to lose now

I've always said "that Greinke has a hell of a nose."

[Tom Servo]

That Votto is so hot right now.


Imagine how good this guy could be if he wasn't so selfish?

[BluegrassRedleg]

I'm not too mad at Disco. A fastball down the middle to the opposing pitcher makes some sense, but obviously there are times you get burned on it. That was one of them.

Can't throw that to anyone in a game against the top ERA in the league. He has to pitch everyone like they're dangerous.

[Fil3232]

Votto hitting .379 in his career against pitchers with a Cy Young? Is that right? That's decent.

[Ironman92]

Votto winning the BABIP game today.

[Ironman92]

Votto hitting .379 in his career against pitchers with a Cy Young? Is that right? That's decent.

I feel confident I could hit Sandy Koufax right now

[WrongVerb]

Disco getting the ball up the last 2 innings. Got burned on HRs. Three fly balls since those, too.

[Razor Shines]

I feel confident I could hit Sandy Koufax right now

Me too. I'd even taunt him walking to the plate . "Let's go old balls, I dare you to try to remember where the strike zone is."

[Tom Servo]

Can't throw that to anyone in a game against the top ERA in the league. He has to pitch everyone like they're dangerous.
You can't worry about who is on the mound against you. Just throw your game. The majority of the time, the pitcher stares at the 94 mph fastball down the middle or fouls it back.

[Tom Servo]

Byrd man doubles!

[Banshee]

Byrd double off the wall.

[Banshee]

WoooooTheReds ‏@WoooooTheReds 7m7 minutes ago
Marty talking about Ted Williams and how he was wronged by the media and fans earlier in his career. Irony exists. You now have proof.

[Razor Shines]

Tucker B Hart = Joey Votto today..

[Tom Servo]

Think I'd rather have The Jesus pinch-hitting instead of Skippy.

[Razor Shines]

Oh everybody shut up, my favorite player is up.

[Tom Servo]

That went about how I expected.

[BluegrassRedleg]

You can't worry about who is on the mound against you. Just throw your game. The majority of the time, the pitcher stares at the 94 mph fastball down the middle or fouls it back.

I'll respectfully disagree with that. You don't *worry* but you know, and your plan of attack adjusts for it.

[Banshee]

15 minutes for 2 AB's by the reds and Dodgers for my time prediction to come true. Doable, but they need to hustle.

*Edit* Game started at 4:10, so actually they're almost shoe-ins, have till 6:30, so 22 more minutes. Nearly a done deal.

[BluegrassRedleg]

WoooooTheReds ‏@WoooooTheReds 7m7 minutes ago
Marty talking about Ted Williams and how he was wronged by the media and fans earlier in his career. Irony exists. You now have proof.

Context failure by Wooooo.

[Banshee]

Context failure by Wooooo.

You don't see any correlation between how Marty and son have dailey run down Votto since his knee injury?

[Tom Servo]

Nice work from Handy Manny.

[BluegrassRedleg]

You don't see any correlation between how Marty and son have dailey run down Votto since his knee injury?

(A) They haven't daily run down Votto. Marty has actually been quite complimentary of Votto this season. The man had an opinion on his approach with RISP, and even if it was debatable, it was just an opinion, not a personal attack. Many people here are still getting red-ass about it months later. Both sides of that equation are silly.

(B) Marty said Ted Williams hitting HR in his final AB was perhaps his favorite broadcast moment, and noted how he went to his final farewell with the Sox refusing to tip his cap to the fans. He said he thought Ted was wrong to feel that way, that he held onto that grudge from the 30s for almost two decades. That's not irony. Wooooo was Alannis Morrisette on that one.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Joey...time to insert a new powercell. We need a Vottomatic dinger right about now.

[Razor Shines]

Speaking of Alannis Morrisette today is free Grammy day at the ball park. First 100 fans through the door to write a song, get it nominated and win a Grammy got a free Grammy today.

[Tom Servo]

(A) They haven't daily run down Votto. Marty has actually been quite complimentary of Votto this season. The man had an opinion on his approach with RISP, and even if it was debatable, it was just an opinion, not a personal attack. Many people here are still getting red-ass about it months later. Both sides of that equation are silly.

Guess you missed "He is simply not one of the elite players in baseball" the other month.

And yes, Redszone actually expects opinions, more accurately 'hot takes' when Marty gives them, to be backed up by facts.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Joey...time to insert a new powercell. We need a Vottomatic dinger right about now.

I'll second that. I'm still holding onto 70s rivalry feelings. So sick of losing to these people.

[_Sir_Charles_]

(A) They haven't daily run down Votto. Marty has actually been quite complimentary of Votto this season. The man had an opinion on his approach with RISP, and even if it was debatable, it was just an opinion, not a personal attack. Many people here are still getting red-ass about it months later. Both sides of that equation are silly.

(B) Marty said Ted Williams hitting HR in his final AB was perhaps his favorite broadcast moment, and noted how he went to his final farewell with the Sox refusing to tip his cap to the fans. He said he thought Ted was wrong to feel that way, that he held onto that grudge from the 30s for almost two decades. That's not irony. Wooooo was Alannis Morrisette on that one.

FWIW, I agree with you regarding Marty...but Banshee did mention Marty and SON. Most of the complaints I've heard from fans about this issue have mentioned Thom as the culprit. I tend to listen to Marty instead of subjecting myself to Thom so I couldn't say one way or the other.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Guess you missed "He is simply not one of the elite players in baseball" the other month.

And yes, Redszone actually expects opinions, more accurately 'hot takes' when Marty gives them, to be backed up by facts.

I didn't miss that. And at the time he said it, it was accurate, if not foolhearty for discounting the remainder of the season. Votto was completely AWOL for two separate month-long stretches of this season. Didn't piss a drop. But the season is 162 games, and it's great to see him turn things around and be an elite threat at the plate again. I think Marty would be the first to credit him for that, and like I said, he's been very complimentary of him lately.

[WrongVerb]

Why is Bryan Price lifting a guy who was bringing it at 99 just to get the lefty lefty matchup?

Oh, wait, that's not Price doing that. Weird.

[BluegrassRedleg]

FWIW, I agree with you regarding Marty...but Banshee did mention Marty and SON. Most of the complaints I've heard from fans about this issue have mentioned Thom as the culprit. I tend to listen to Marty instead of subjecting myself to Thom so I couldn't say one way or the other.

True. Thom is a different matter. I'm definitely sick of his act.

[BluegrassRedleg]

C'mon Frazier. Time for one of those league-leading XBHs.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Jansen on to get 4 outs for Dodgers.

Meanwhile, Chapman sits in bullpen with 1 IP to his credit the last 8 days.

[Tom Servo]

Votto was completely AWOL for two separate month-long stretches of this season.

http://i.imgur.com/q7rEw9e.png

[_Sir_Charles_]

http://i.imgur.com/q7rEw9e.png

Where's January and February? Hmmmm? :O)

May was a down month. So was the second half of June and the beginning of July. He's not wrong.

[Tom Servo]

Hook Line and Winker ‏@wahoosblog 1m
Not a home run, but Jesse Winker walks on seven pitches. Bases loaded for Marquez Smith. 0-0 T1


That kind of plate approach with RISP won't endear him to Marty. :nono:

[Tom Servo]

Great inning from Hoover, probably one of his best of the year.

[BluegrassRedleg]

http://i.imgur.com/q7rEw9e.png

Look at June 10 through July 12.

That's why I used the term "month-long stretches" and not "months."

Terrible in May and terrible from June 10 through the All-Star break. He was not elite then.

[757690]

Reds should trade Hoover by the end of the month. He's hot right now, and there's no telling how he will perform near season. Get some value for him while you can.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Look at June 10 through July 12.

That's why I used the term "month-long stretches" and not "months."

Terrible in May and terrible from June 10 through the All-Star break. He was not elite then.

"Terrible" is a stretch though. Not "elite" though would be accurate.

[50YrRedsFan]

Bruce k's for the 3rd time.

[Ironman92]

Damn thought Byrd tied it

[Tom Servo]

Look at June 10 through July 12.

That's why I used the term "month-long stretches" and not "months."

Terrible in May and terrible from June 10 through the All-Star break. He was not elite then.
.279/.404/.395 between June 10th and June 24th.

.200/.338/.283 between June 25th and July 12th.

More like 'terrible' for a little over two weeks before the All-Star break.

[Larry Schuler]

Votto continuously fails in his efforts to be the first major league baseball player in history to never slump.

[Ironman92]

This is where you need Dan Uggla as a PH but we have Skip and Pena who are a combined 1-2 HR ahead of me

[BluegrassRedleg]

"Terrible" is a stretch though. Not "elite" though would be accurate.

Maybe so. But I'd like to see a ranking of 3 hole hitters across baseball and see where his 6 XBH from that second stretch rank among them. My hunch is that it looks, well, "terrible."

[Razor Shines]

Look at June 10 through July 12.

That's why I used the term "month-long stretches" and not "months."

Terrible in May and terrible from June 10 through the All-Star break. He was not elite then.

Terrible? In May his OBP was .349. Everyone slumps but his slumps are elite compared to other guys' slumps.

[Tom Servo]

We're still bad.


But at least it was better than last night's game.

[Razor Shines]

We're still bad.


But at least it was better than last night's game.

I'll take credit for that.

[50YrRedsFan]

Another game, another loss.

[Big Klu]

Today's "Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game" is Dodgers RHP Zack Greinke, who pitched 7 innings allowing 1 run on 6 hits with 8 K's and only 1 BB, and also snapped a 1-1 tie with a solo HR.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Maybe so. But I'd like to see a ranking of 3 hole hitters across baseball and see where his 6 XBH from that second stretch rank among them. My hunch is that it looks, well, "terrible."

Votto's dry spells are rarely empty though. Even scuffling, he still gets on base.

[Banshee]

Game time: 2:31. Jansen and too many foul ballz fouled up my time table.

[50YrRedsFan]

Only 1.5 games from the cellar.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Terrible? In May his OBP was .349. Everyone slumps but his slumps are elite compared to other guys' slumps.

His OPS dropped 208 points in May. You got any other "elite" guys who had that for a full month? Maybe there are. Curious.

[Tom Servo]

The first guy who comes to mind, Votto's L.A. counterpart Adrian Gonzalez, hit .204/.271/.316 from June 5th to July 3rd. I hope, I really hope, that Vin Scully properly took him to task for no longer being elite during that time.

[Tom Servo]

His OPS dropped 208 points in May. You got any other "elite" guys who had that for a full month? Maybe there are. Curious.
Trout dropped 200 points from April to May (1.039 to .839).

Nelson Cruz dropped nearly 400 points from May to June (1.014 to .630)

Goldschmidt dropped 184 points from May to June, though both were still over 1.000 lol.


I don't know who else you might consider elite.

[BluegrassRedleg]

The first guy who comes to mind, Votto's L.A. counterpart Adrian Gonzalez, hit .204/.271/.316 from June 5th to July 3rd. I hope, I really hope, that Vin Scully properly took him to task for no longer being elite during that time.

* What are the numbers from June 3 to July 3?

* Did he slump a second time for a complete month-long stretch?

* Do you consider AG elite or just really good? I kinda lean toward the latter, but I wouldn't press that too much if someone wanted to call him elite. Just typing out loud here. :p

[BluegrassRedleg]

Trout dropped 200 points from April to May (1.039 to .839).

Nelson Cruz dropped nearly 400 points from May to June (1.014 to .630)

Goldschmidt dropped 184 points from May to June, though both were still over 1.000 lol.


I don't know who else you might consider elite.

I'll accept that, counselor. :thumbup:

[BluegrassRedleg]

Today's "Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game" is Dodgers RHP Zack Greinke, who pitched 7 innings allowing 1 run on 6 hits with 8 K's and only 1 BB, and also snapped a 1-1 tie with a solo HR.

:thumbdown:

[Razor Shines]

Posey started the season OPSing .721 in March and April. Not Elite.

Josh Donaldson OPS'd .720 in June. Not Elite.

The GREAT Matt Carpenter OPS'd .577 in June.

[Ironman92]

Game time: 2:31. Jansen and too many foul ballz fouled up my time table.

Byrd catches that 9th inning shot a smidge farther and it goes 11 innings to my guessed time

[BluegrassRedleg]

Posey started the season OPSing .721 in March and April. Not Elite.

Josh Donaldson OPS'd .720 in June. Not Elite.

The GREAT Matt Carpenter OPS'd .577 in June.

Starting the season cold isn't all that uncommon, though, even for stars, so I'd throw that out on Posey.

Donaldson and Carpenter both went through a rough patch... but did they experience two? That's part of my point. At the time the "elite" comments came up, Joey had experienced two of those stretches, and certainly was not elite.

But, again, I also noted there's a reason why we count stats for 162 games and not bits and pieces. He's going to come out looking elite if he stays on this trajectory.

[Ironman92]

Speaking of elite....Skip 0- his last 9 as a PH and OPS now under .570 for the season

[Razor Shines]

Speaking of elite....Skip 0- his last 9 as a PH and OPS now under .570 for the season

But he's such a leader for announcing during the Spring that he would accept a reduced role to stay on the team. #LeadershipBrag

[BluegrassRedleg]

#Clubhouse

[Tom Servo]

One of the big problems with this debate, Bluegrass, is that you are giving Marty a huge break. He didn't say "Votto isn't elite this month" or "Right now, he's not playing at an elite level". He said, and I quote:

"I will not categorize it as criticism. I will categorize it as a statement of fact. Joey Votto is no longer one of the elite players in MLB"

That is a man confidently calling his shot, not a man merely suggesting Votto has had a rough go of it lately. He is letting the world know that Franchester Martin 'Marty' Brennaman, the voice of the Reds for over 40 years, can now clearly see that former MVP Joey Votto is no longer an MVP caliber talent.


And he was dead wrong.

[BluegrassRedleg]

One of the big problems with this debate, Bluegrass, is that you are giving Marty a huge break. He didn't say "Votto isn't elite this month" or "Right now, he's not playing at an elite level". He said, and I quote:

"I will not categorize it as criticism. I will categorize it as a statement of fact. Joey Votto is no longer one of the elite players in MLB"

That is a man confidently calling his shot, not a man merely suggesting Votto has had a rough go of it lately. He is letting the world know that Franchester Martin 'Marty' Brennaman, the voice of the Reds for over 40 years, can now clearly see that former MVP Joey Votto is no longer an MVP caliber talent.


And he was dead wrong.

It was over the top, but given that he had watched a poor 2014 season followed by the first four months of 2015 in which Votto did very little for two of them, I don't think it was completely unfair.

That said, he should have gauged Votto for a season's work and not just a couple of months.

And, as I said earlier, he's been very complimentary of Votto here lately so this daily exercise of taking Marty to task every time Votto does well is just as silly as his original comments. It's time for it to end and move on to something else. Like bashing his offspring. ;)

[Razor Shines]

I just don't buy that he was unproductive for 2 of the first 4 months of this season.


Season Monthly BB% K% BB/K AVG OBP SLG OPS ISO BABIP wRC wRAA wOBA wRC+
2015 Mar/Apr 15.5 % 19.6 % 0.79 .317 .423 .646 1.069 .329 .339 21 10.4 .447 187
2015 May 11.9 % 18.3 % 0.65 .253 .349 .358 .707 .105 .301 13 0.6 .318 99
2015 Jun 19.0 % 17.4 % 1.10 .286 .421 .510 .932 .224 .319 22 8.6 .401 155
2015 Jul 23.0 % 14.2 % 1.63 .405 .549 .667 1.215 .262 .453 30 17.7 .509 229

He may have had a week here or there other than May where he sucked but certainly not two months.

[WVRedsFan]

When the game thread is about the paid entertainers and not the players and the brain trust, I'm glad I missed it. It's going to be a long almost two months for Reds fans.

[cumberlandreds]

At least this game was pleasant to watch. Nice, snappy, well pitched game. Always a pleasure too listening to Scully do the game. The road trip went about as well as what I expected. I thought if they won one game in each place it would be "good" trip for them. So this met might extremely low expectations. The trip to LA was a nice vacation for Chapman. He didn't pitch in a game and only warmed up in the 9th yesterday in what, I'm sure, he knew was a game he would never get into. Probably the most under utilized outstanding pitcher in the history of MLB.