Aug 18 2015 KC I wish I was Royals vs Reds

[klw]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMtrB94XAAQwHVG.jpg:large

Looks like the Reds have a visitor:
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[Elam]

Once Gordon comes back for the Royals and they slide Zobrist into 2B that line up is going to be pretty scary

[Tom Servo]

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[Tom Servo]

Ned Yost is the winningest manager in Royals history. He's 4 games under .500.

[Tom Servo]

Lorenzo Cain knows what he did.

[Tom Servo]

Iggy escapes danger after what looked like would be an easy inning. Two quick outs but a HBP of Cain, a single by Hosmer, and a 3-0 count on Salvador Perez and Iglesias wiggles out with help from Byrd in left with a running grab.

[Gallen5862]

Suarez HR.

[Tom Servo]

Suarez! :jump:

1-0 Redlegs

[Chuckie]

See, I can't help it. Iggy pitching well (so far), Suarez going deep ... I love it.

I even have Volquez on one of my fantasy teams.

Can't help but rooting for the Reds when I'm watching them play. Especially big keys to the future like Iggy and Geno.

[Razor Shines]

Home Runs always improve your BABIP.

[Chuckie]

Home Runs always improve your BABIP.

Chicks dig the long ball. (And high BABIPs.)

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Ned Yost is the winningest manager in Royals history. He's 4 games under .500.

:laugh:

[Tom Servo]

Volquez threw about a million pitches in the first, brings back memories.

[Tom Servo]

Yesiree!

[Banshee]

Uh, wasn't Bruuce out on the replay? Thanks KC for not reviewing that one.

[Larkin Fan]

Volquez threw about a million pitches in the first, brings back memories.

Not fond ones, for sure.

[Razor Shines]

The machine

[Chip R]

Ned Yost is the winningest manager in Royals history. He's 4 games under .500.

Whitey Herzog, Jack McKeon, Hal McRae, John Wathen, Jim Frey and Dick Howser would all like a word with you.

[mbgrayson]

After two innings, Reds 1, Royals 0.

Iglesias at 29 pitches, 18 strikes.
Volquez at 41 pitches, 25 strikes.

[Razor Shines]

We've got Raisor on the daily Bruce OPS update, is there anyway Kc61 could get us a daily countdown on Bruce to 200 hits?

[Tom Servo]

Whitey Herzog, Jack McKeon, Hal McRae, John Wathen, Jim Frey and Dick Howser would all like a word with you.
I'm just repeating what Thom told us at the start of the broadcast.

[Banshee]

Nice inning by Iggy, Royals not hitting the ball w/ authority at all.

[757690]

Whitey Herzog, Jack McKeon, Hal McRae, John Wathen, Jim Frey and Dick Howser would all like a word with you.

Most wins. He's been Royals manager for six seasons. Herzog and Howser have better records, but in fewer years.

[Razor Shines]

On your left is when he was with the Reds....The one where he's wearing a Reds uniform.

[Tom Servo]

I love hearing pitchers like Welsh and Brantley break down mechanics and the art of pitching. I recently saw a Mariners game with Jamie Moyer in the announcers booth talking about pitching and it was tremendous.

[Razor Shines]

I love hearing pitchers like Welsh and Brantley break down mechanics and the art of pitching. I recently saw a Mariners game with Jamie Moyer in the announcers booth talking about pitching and it was tremendous.

Did he break down how differently he pitched to Babe Ruth and Mike Trout?

[Tom Servo]

Nice play to get the speedy Cain by the error prone Suarez.


Also Hosmer and whoever else sound like nice people but that story was super boring and I was trying to watch the game, Jim Day.

[Donder]

Most wins. He's been Royals manager for six seasons. Herzog and Howser have better records, but in fewer years.

Come on get with it. Judging performance by wins and losses is so not in fashion anymore.
:)

[Razor Shines]

Jay Bruce wanna be...or who we want Jay Bruce to be? Can't remember which....grounds out to second.

[Tom Servo]

Ooo, Votto didn't miss that one by a whole lot.

[mbgrayson]

After four innings, Reds 1, Royals 0.

Iglesias at 56 pitches, 34 strikes.
Volquez at 73 pitches, 46 strikes.

[Razor Shines]

the machine

[Tom Servo]

Nice inning from Iggy.

[Razor Shines]

I'd be totally cool with Lamb not being asked to bunt at all this season.

[Fil3232]

Iglesias is really good.

[Banshee]

John Fay ‏@johnfayman 2m2 minutes ago
Volquez was 20-23 with a 4.90 ERA in the first 2 years after the #Reds traded him. He’s 24-14 with a 3.14 the last two years.

[Tom Servo]

I'd be totally cool with Lamb not being asked to bunt at all this season.
Looked like the textbook "bunt the ball into your eye socket" play to me.

[Tom Servo]

oooo those tricky runnin Reds

[Razor Shines]

Looked like the textbook "bunt the ball into your eye socket" play to me.

You ask me, it was intentional. He's a talented guy and look at him...sloppy hair, tattoos, general countenance of a slacker...he just wanted to get out of BP.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Was that 3-0 pitch not inside?

[Tom Servo]

Bat on the ball is an amazing thing...

[Raisor]

Just saw that Matt Latos has been moved to the bullpen for the Trolly Dodgers.

[mbgrayson]

After five innings, Reds 1, Royals 0.

Iglesias at 66 pitches, 44 strikes.
Volquez at 89 pitches, 54 strikes.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Just saw that Matt Latos has been moved to the bullpen for the Trolly Dodgers.

Wow. That's a bit surprising, although their middle relief is a mess.

[Banshee]

Iggy is pretty good.

[Tom Servo]

Yesiree!

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

Iggy Iggy Iggy, can't you see... Sometimes your pitches hypnotize me.

And most of the Royals too.

[Razor Shines]

We're keeping track of home hitting streaks?

[BluegrassRedleg]

The Demon's Head has been consistently getting better each time out. Really like what he's doing of late.

[Raisor]

We're keeping track of home hitting streaks?

What do you mean "we're"?

[Razor Shines]

What do you mean "we're"?

Thom said it, I assume that means we have to do it. I don't know who's going to do it, as far as I know you and Kc61 are the only ones with the technical skills and equipment capable of this type of thing but you both already have more important...well I don't want to get ahead of myself...other jobs.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Dang. That sucks.

[Banshee]

Byrdman's due one of his bi-monthly walks!

[Razor Shines]

situational hitting right there, hit the ball on ground behind the runner.

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The Machine

[BluegrassRedleg]

Wow, Volquez offered up an awfully good pitch for strike 1 to Byrd. Just missed it.

[Tom Servo]

bleh

[mbgrayson]

After six innings, Reds 1, Royals 0.

Iglesias at 77 pitches, 52 strikes.
Volquez at 112 pitches, 66 strikes.

[Tracy Jones]

Does anybody still believe (if they ever did) Iglesias is best suited for the bullpen?

[757690]

Just saw that Matt Latos has been moved to the bullpen for the Trolly Dodgers.

They will rue the day they didn't trade Seager and Urias for Cueto ;)

[BluegrassRedleg]

Does anybody still believe (if they ever did) Iglesias is best suited for the bullpen?

Time to erase those doubts about another guy... ;)

[Tom Servo]

Does anybody still believe (if they ever did) Iglesias is best suited for the bullpen?
That and the "He can't get batters out a third time" narrative seem to have died a quiet death.

[Banshee]

Get the pen ready Price, no more "teaching moments" for Iggy, he's learned enough tonight. First sign of trouble, bring in the fresh arm please.

[Tracy Jones]

That and the "He can't get batters out a third time" narrative seem to have died a quiet death.

I love this guy. Best of the lot of younguns we've seen this year by far IMO. I think he can be a TOR type starter as early as next year.

[_Sir_Charles_]

90 pitches through 7. Not too damned shabby Iggy. Yes, I'm going with Iggy. Deal with it.

I'd be tempted to let him start the 8th, but if someone reaches, he's out. Pen warms up before the inning even begins IMO.

[Razor Shines]

Who was the guy that was the Ace earlier this year?

[Tracy Jones]

Get the pen ready Price, no more "teaching moments" for Iggy, he's learned enough tonight. First sign of trouble, bring in the fresh arm please.

I agree. He's out.

[mbgrayson]

Ryan Madson owes the Reds a few gopher balls....

[paulrichjr]

Does anybody still believe (if they ever did) Iglesias is best suited for the bullpen?

I think games like this show why Redszone posters aren't GMs.


How is it that all the other teams that saw him thought he was bound for the bullpen but the Reds brass did not. Kudos to Walt whose recent record doesn't look that great but in the past few months has really made some incredible moves including signing and sticking Iggy into the starting rotation.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ryan Madson owes the Reds a few gopher balls....

I sure would've liked to have seen what could have been that year. :(

[paulrichjr]

I sure would've liked to have seen what could have been that year. :(

And the year after and the one after and .....

Chapman in the rotation....

[Tom Servo]

Never doubted Hoover for a second there.

[_Sir_Charles_]

And the year after and the one after and .....

Chapman in the rotation....

Exactly my point. Madson was the placeholder to keep Aroldis in the rotation.

[WVRedsFan]

Hate to say this, but offensively, Billy has been an albatross around the neck of the Reds. Doesn't get on and unless he does, only his defense is exemplary.

[757690]

I'll keep posting it every time he pitches.

Hoover should be traded before the end of the month. His value will never be higher, and who knows if he will ever be this good again.

[Tracy Jones]

I think games like this show why Redszone posters aren't GMs.


How is it that all the other teams that saw him thought he was bound for the bullpen but the Reds brass did not. Kudos to Walt whose recent record doesn't look that great but in the past few months has really made some incredible moves including signing and sticking Iggy into the starting rotation.

I think Finnegan will turn out well too. If Stephenson is the real deal, the Reds are going to have an excellent rotation again in 2-3 years.

[mbgrayson]

I sure would've liked to have seen what could have been that year. :(

That year (2012) that the Reds paid Madson $6 million, and he pitched zero games for us, we ended up making Chapman our closer. If Madson hadn't gotten hurt, it's entirely possible that Chapman might have been moved to the rotation, dramatically changing Reds history....

[Banshee]

Hoover will need to have the rest of this season and good till next season's AS break for me to actually begin to trust him. Too much emotional damage inflicted.

[_Sir_Charles_]

That year (2012) that the Reds paid Madson $6 million, and he pitched zero games for us, we ended up making Chapman our closer. If Madson hadn't gotten hurt, it's entirely possible that Chapman might have been moved to the rotation, dramatically changing Reds history....

Chapman WAS in the rotation if not for the injury. He was starting all spring and was DOMINATING. Showing off his slider that most had but rarely seen and his changeup. It kills me a little everytime I think about what could have been.

2-0 with 17 ip (4 starts) 17 hits, 2 walks, 18 k's, 1.12 whip and 2.12 era.

[Kc61]

Pena's throwing isn't his best attribute.

[WVRedsFan]

Hoover

[50YrRedsFan]

I have a bad feeling about this.

[Tom Servo]

hoover y u do dis

[Banshee]

Pena's throwing isn't his best attribute.

Nor is his speed. Or his power. Or slugging. A very nice backup catcher though and doing a serviceable job.

[Larkin Fan]

Ugh. Are the Reds about to be Hoovered?

[WVRedsFan]

Bad night for Hoover. I predict three runs. Or not. Good job, JJ

[50YrRedsFan]

Hoover does what Hoovers do......you know what it is.

[Tom Servo]

Yesiree!

[_Sir_Charles_]

yessirree! 6-4-3! A thing of beauty!

[Kc61]

Nice play by Suarez on the DP.

[Chuckie]

Hell of a defensive play by Suarez there. Boom!

[Tracy Jones]

Bandwagon Royals fans smh. If this series was played 2 years ago, they'd have 5 fans at GABP.

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Bad night for Hoover. I predict three runs

Good call

[50YrRedsFan]

Hoover was lucky.

[Chip R]

Fine play by Suarez.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Ugh. Are the Reds about to be Hoovered?


Bad night for Hoover. I predict three runs.


Hoover does what Hoovers do......you know what it is.

JJ scoffs at your skepticism. :O)

[Tom Servo]

Fine play by the error prone Suarez.

[paulrichjr]

I think Finnegan will turn out well too. If Stephenson is the real deal, the Reds are going to have an excellent rotation again in 2-3 years.

It ain't going to be half bad in 1

[Tom Servo]

Now of course the problem is that Chapman hasn't pitched in about 7 years.

[Larkin Fan]

JJ scoffs at your skepticism. :O)

Hey now, I only asked the question. ;)

[Tracy Jones]

It ain't going to be half bad in 1

No you're right. It should be better than decent next year. 2017 though? Could be dominant.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Now of course the problem is that Chapman hasn't pitched in about 7 years.

*cough* Starter! *cough*

[Larkin Fan]

Now of course the problem is that Chapman hasn't pitched in about 7 years.

Is he even still on the team?

[paulrichjr]

Hell of a defensive play by Suarez there. Boom!

Awesome play. I know you already mentioned it but ain't it hard to root for a loss when Iggy pitches like he did? I can tell you aren't....

[Banshee]

Now of course the problem is that Chapman hasn't pitched in about 7 years.

So he should be well rested and invincible. A shame the most devastating pitcher in baseball pitches so little, despite the reds playing in sooooo many 1 run games...

[Tom Servo]

I remember being envious back in the day of the Jake Peavy/Chris Young combo the Padres had in the mid 00s. Along with a young Adrian Gonzalez, those teams should have been better than they were.

[Razor Shines]

That Votto is so walk right now.

[Tom Servo]

Not so hot night for Frazier again.

[Tracy Jones]

I hope Frazier retires his HR Derby career.

[Razor Shines]

Not so hot night for Frazier again.

Aren't you on mlb.tv? How are you so ahead of me? It's 2-2 still. I've had zero lag, perfect picture. So infuriating.

[WVRedsFan]

Gotta hope Chappy is "on" tonight. These guys don't lose often.

[mbgrayson]

Salvador Perez is due up 4th in the 9th.

Has Chapman faced Perez since Perez lined one into Chapman's face in spring training last year?

[Tom Servo]

Aren't you on mlb.tv? How are you so ahead of me? It's 2-2 still.
I am indeed on MLB.TV. My speed alternates on what device I'm watching it on.

[_Sir_Charles_]

My concern....rust.

Apparently my concerns were well founded. Dinger Zobrist.

[Razor Shines]

Well why don't you take a break and pause for 3-4 minutes.

Frazier K's everybody. Spoiler alert.

[Tom Servo]

My concern....rust.
'Just' 97 mph so far.

[50YrRedsFan]

Not so hot night for Frazier again.

Should have traded him b4 the deadline.

[Tom Servo]

Zobrist. Gone. Tie game.

[Tracy Jones]

Should have left Hoover in

[Larkin Fan]

And this is why Chapman needs to pitch regularly.

[Banshee]

Maybe make it 8 days till his next appearance..

[Tom Servo]

So...might have been a good idea to get Chapman in for an inning or two out west, eh Bryan?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Greeted rather rudely from Reds-imposed vacation.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Should have traded him b4 the deadline.

I was actually FOR that idea. I don't see any way we should extend him and his value was at it's all time peak.

[R_Webb18]

not throwing as hard

[50YrRedsFan]

The 2015 Reds...always finding the way.

[WVRedsFan]

Just sad for Iglasias.

[Razor Shines]

At least Bruce will get a chance to improve his OPS even more.

[_Sir_Charles_]

And this is why Chapman needs to pitch regularly.

Yep. Every FIVE DAYS!

Okay, I'm done. :O)

[BluegrassRedleg]

Wasn't it the Royals the team Chapman took the line drive off the face against?

[Larkin Fan]

I guess the Reds got Chapmaned tonight instead.

[757690]

It amazes me that a former pitching coach could be so poor at managing a bullpen.

[corkedbat]

Who didn't see that one coming? Seems like Aroldis always has issues when he goes too long between chances (many closers do).

[Tom Servo]

not throwing as hard
It'll get there. Seen this before from him, starts high 90s and then works into the 100s. But Zobrist took advantage.

[757690]

Wasn't it the Royals the team Chapman took the line drive off the face against?

I believe it was their catcher Perez that hit it.

[Tom Servo]

I know they're not a rival or anything, but the plethora of Royals fans at GABP is embarrassing.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I believe it was their catcher Perez that hit it.

It was. This is their first meeting since then.

[Kc61]

It amazes me that a former pitching coach could be so poor at managing a bullpen.

I doubt Price's current concern is keeping Chapman sharp. Doesn't seem like the major priority right now.

Frankly, I hope Chapman pitches about once a week from here on in. I don't care if he pitches at all as the season winds down. Save his arm, avoid injuries, then trade him this winter.

[Tom Servo]

Ugh.

[Banshee]

Jeebus, pretty ugly.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom = Redass

[Tracy Jones]

Yep. Every FIVE DAYS!

Okay, I'm done. :O)

You're seeing one of the multiple reasons why Chapman would have failed as a starter. Unless he's throwing 100+ he's not particularly effective. You're seeing another, his total inability to hold runners on.

[Tom Servo]

WHAT

[Banshee]

Only this team, this year.

[_Sir_Charles_]

OMG. Are you kidding me?!? Safe on a run-down?!? :(

[corkedbat]

Should have traded him b4 the deadline.

Shoulda converted him to the rotation three years ago. :)

[WVRedsFan]

Bad News Bears.

[Cursh14]

What a joke.

[Tom Servo]

Frazier couldn't have missed that tag, right?

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He got him, idiot.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Chris... The word didn't come quick from the video room, the word came because the game is on the line.

[Kc61]

Tagged him. Shouldn't be a problem.

[Chuckie]

Out

[westofyou]

Yay draft choice!

Right guys?

[WVRedsFan]

They will call him safe. And we lose. I didn't see a tag there. Maybe I'm as blind as a bat

Apparently I am.

[BluegrassRedleg]

How is this even in question???

[Razor Shines]

Oh, this is too much suspense, someone just tell me what the call was.

[Chip R]

It shouldn't have been that close. Even if they get the out they screwed up the rundown.

[Banshee]

Pretty sure w/ Price's luck the umps will award the Royals 2 runs instead of one.

[Tracy Jones]

Yay draft choice!

Right guys?

Hooray for pie in the sky!

[BluegrassRedleg]

The number on the back of the jersey moved. How hard is this???

[Razor Shines]

I don't think it will be overturned.

[_Sir_Charles_]

You're seeing one of the multiple reasons why Chapman would have failed as a starter. Unless he's throwing 100+ he's not particularly effective. You're seeing another, his total inability to hold runners on.

Totally disagree. Today is rust. Plain and simple. He's not able to locate his FB tonight. So he's behind in the count. His slider isn't breaking as sharply and he's not locating it either. His ability to hold runners would increase exponentially as he throws more innings. When he's pitching one inning only and nobody ever reaches first base but once a month...it's kinda hard to practice that stuff. Don't get me wrong, ignoring Cain was totally on Aroldis there. But throwing 95-98 with his stride and movement, his slider thrown more often and his changeup worked into the equation too...sorry, disagree completely.

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Overturned.

[Tom Servo]

Got it right. Thanks home plate ump for being a jamoke.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Extra points for music guy at GABP for Rufus & Chaka Kahn's "Tell Me Something Good." :)

[757690]

I doubt Price's current concern is keeping Chapman sharp. Doesn't seem like the major priority right now.

Frankly, I hope Chapman pitches about once a week from here on in. I don't care if he pitches at all as the season winds down. Save his arm, avoid injuries, then trade him this winter.

Not giving Chapman steady work lowers his trade value. Best way to keep his trade value up, is to make sure he gets regular work.

That said, might as well fold up for the winter if they don't play their best players. Gotta play to win, even at this stage.

[westofyou]

Hooray for pie in the sky!

Mmm pie

[BluegrassRedleg]

That breaks some kind of home saves streak by Chapman, does it not?

[Tom Servo]

That was strike 3.

[Razor Shines]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/18/595680ddc4c94161953b3612af9290be.jpg

That was as bad as this rundown

[Fil3232]

If Price uses Chapman in a mop up situation last week people would complain he's needlessly putting him in harm's way in a meaningless game. To those who want Price gone, he can't win. They'll find error in any action.

[mbgrayson]

Frazier almost blew that play. He was busy showing the ump that he had the ball in his glove and arguing, when he could have tagged the runner (again) before the runner touched home plate.

[Tom Servo]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/18/595680ddc4c94161953b3612af9290be.jpg

That was as bad as this rundown
That movie was p. good :/

[Tracy Jones]

Totally disagree. Today is rust. Plain and simple. He's not able to locate his FB tonight. So he's behind in the count. His slider isn't breaking as sharply and he's not locating it either. His ability to hold runners would increase exponentially as he throws more innings. When he's pitching one inning only and nobody ever reaches first base but once a month...it's kinda hard to practice that stuff. Don't get me wrong, ignoring Cain was totally on Aroldis there. But throwing 95-98 with his stride and movement, his slider thrown more often and his changeup worked into the equation too...sorry, disagree completely.

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Overturned.

If he were able to throw his slider for a strike consistently, then he'd be a no-brainer starter. He could still dominate with less than a 100 mph fastball. The problem is and always has been though, he doesn't throw it for a strike consistently.

[Kc61]

Not giving Chapman steady work lowers his trade value. Best way to keep his trade value up, is to make sure he gets regular work.

That said, might as well fold up for the winter if they don't play their best players. Gotta play to win, even at this stage.

I seldom disagree twice, but I do here.

1. There is no need to have Chapman prove himself to keep up his trade value. The entire baseball world knows Chapman's work. Just keep him healthy.

2. At this point, Chapman's main role is trade bait IMO. They don't have to sit every player. Everyone isn't prime trade bait. Chapman's next big outing will be the Winter Meetings. Use him lightly.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Not giving Chapman steady work lowers his trade value. Best way to keep his trade value up, is to make sure he gets regular work.

That said, might as well fold up for the winter if they don't play their best players. Gotta play to win, even at this stage.

Either that, or coach little league softball.

[Razor Shines]

That movie was p. good :/




I'm just using it every run down good or bad. The Rundown = good Reds rundown. Welcome to the Jungle = Bad Reds rundown.

[Chip R]

Price didn't give up that home run. Even if he had pitched a couple of more times on the coast who says he still wouldn't gave up the home run?

[Tracy Jones]

Mmm pie

You ever had sky pie?

Tastes like chicken.

[WVRedsFan]

If you play, you play to win. Period. This whole theory to not play this player or that or just go through the motions to get a draft pick or make a trade goes all over me as a competitor.

[_Sir_Charles_]

If he were able to throw his slider for a strike consistently, then he'd be a no-brainer starter. He could still dominate with less than a 100 mph fastball. The problem is and always has been though, he doesn't throw it for a strike consistently.

A good slider doesn't have to be a strike. Ask Brad Lidge. Because it'll be a SWINGING strike.

[Banshee]

Dear tHom B.: Let. It. Go.
Chappy blew one, he's now 57 of 58 in home save opportunities. Life goes on in this season of nightmares.

[757690]

Price didn't give up that home run. Even if he had pitched a couple of more times on the coast who says he still wouldn't gave up the home run?

Why even have a manager, if he doesn't affect the game?

[Tracy Jones]

A good slider doesn't have to be a strike. Ask Brad Lidge. Because it'll be a SWINGING strike.

For a starter seeing the same guys 3-4 times per game, it does.

[Chip R]

Frazier almost blew that play. He was busy showing the ump that he had the ball in his glove and arguing, when he could have tagged the runner (again) before the runner touched home plate.

Yeah. But not tagging him again may sell the ump that he got him the first time. Shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dombrowski to the Red Sox. Cherrington out.

[Kc61]

If you play, you play to win. Period. This whole theory to not play this player or that or just go through the motions to get a draft pick or make a trade goes all over me as a competitor.

Maybe. But there are a few facts we all know.

If your trade bait gets hurt, he's not worth much.

If your record is worse you get a higher draft choice.

If you sit veterans, you can use kids who need the work and exposure.

I'd like to see the Reds win now, but I'm much more concerned with loading the team up with talent for a future pennant run. And developing that talent.

[BluegrassRedleg]

If Price uses Chapman in a mop up situation last week people would complain he's needlessly putting him in harm's way in a meaningless game.

Words no sane person would ever say for $800, Alex.

Pitchers gotta pitch.

[corkedbat]

Frazier almost blew that play. He was busy showing the ump that he had the ball in his glove and arguing, when he could have tagged the runner (again) before the runner touched home plate.


Works two ways. If Frazier knows he made the tag and then goes lunging at the runner for a 2nd tag, the ump (and possibly replay officials) might see that as you admiting you missed him.

[_Sir_Charles_]

For a starter seeing the same guys 3-4 times per game, it does.

My point was he'd use it (and the changeup) more often. More regular work with those pitches and they'll get sharper. It'll also offset any loss in MPH on the fastball.

No point in arguing about it as it'll never friggin happen. :(

[Tracy Jones]

Maybe. But there are a few facts we all know.

If your trade bait gets hurt, he's not worth much.

If your record is worse you get a higher draft choice.

If you sit veterans, you can use kids who need the work and exposure.

I'd like to see the Reds win now, but I'm much more concerned with loading the team up with talent for a future pennant run. And developing that talent.

Are you saying the Reds haven't been playing kids? If not, who should be getting MLB exposure at this point in time?

[westofyou]

You ever had sky pie?

Tastes like chicken.

I eat more chicken, than any man ever seen

[corkedbat]

Why even have a manager, if he doesn't affect the game?

Price affects my last good nerve. I've seen way too much of him, but expect him back. <sigh>

[BluegrassRedleg]

Why even have a manager, if he doesn't affect the game?

I've actually heard people make that argument before, especially when it comes to paying one a fortune.

[Kc61]

Are you saying the Reds haven't been playing kids? If not, who should be getting MLB exposure at this point in time?

I'm saying that sometimes you have to manage the team primarily for the future.

So using Chapman less is ok with me.

Even if it means he was rusty tonight.

Try to win, but within the confines of a future-oriented approach.

[Tracy Jones]

My point was he'd use it (and the changeup) more often. More regular work with those pitches and they'll get sharper. It'll also offset any loss in MPH on the fastball.

No point in arguing about it as it'll never friggin happen. :(

I agree with that point, I just don't think he has the natural command for it to succeed. I think we'd see a lot of 5 inning, 100 pitch games before being shipped back to bullpen.

[Tracy Jones]

I'm saying that sometimes you have to manage the team primarily for the future.

So using Chapman less is ok with me.

Even if it means he was rusty tonight.

Try to win, but within the confines of a future-oriented approach.

I think a starting rotation of 5 rookies is definitely future oriented. Not sure what else they could do at this point. Y-Rod in LF maybe? There aren't exactly a lot of position players on the cusp.

[Roy Tucker]

Badenhop doesn't fool anyone.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Aaaaaaoooooooooooooooooooooooow. :evil:

[_Sir_Charles_]

I agree with that point, I just don't think he has the natural command for it to succeed. I think we'd see a lot of 5 inning, 100 pitch games before being shipped back to bullpen.

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/7/2/0/88064720/chapman_slider_twitter_p069oey5.gif


Despite all of this, Chapman's slider was even better. As calculated by Fangraphs, Chapman's slider was 3.10 runs above average per 100 pitches compared to his fastball which was 1.73.
At 87-89 mph, that can be just as deadly a weapon as the fastball IMO. We'll have to agree to disagree I think.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I eat more chicken, than any man ever seen

I'm a backdoor slider man.

[WVRedsFan]

With all due respect, Kc, and I've mentioned this before, you don't play to win it develops a cancer on a team where losing is the norm. But we will agree to disagree because none of us might have a future anyway and no one, the fans in the stands, the players, and the front office wants to lose. If they do, it doesn't matter what prospects you get. The disease is growing.

[Roy Tucker]

Ned Yost strikes quite the casual pose in the dugout.

[Chip R]

Why even have a manager, if he doesn't affect the game?

It's not always the manager's fault. Players should be held accountable when they make mistakes. When Hoover gives up a HR,is it Price's fault or Hoover's for throwing a bad pitch? I know fans don't like blaming their favorite players but they do make mistakes and it's nobody's fault but their own.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Badenhop doesn't fool anyone.

Not even Walt? :O)

[BluegrassRedleg]

That was, ummmm, odd.

[Mutaman]

I eat more chicken, than any man ever seen

With all due respect to the great Jimmy, in Wolf's original song, he sang: "I eats mo' chicken any man seen".

[757690]

It's not always the manager's fault. Players should be held accountable when they make mistakes. When Hoover gives up a HR,is it Price's fault or Hoover's for throwing a bad pitch? I know fans don't like blaming their favorite players but they do make mistakes and it's nobody's fault but their own.

I agree.

But many posters, Welsh, and I am sure others pointed out, before the HR, that Chapman would be rusty, and less effective due to his long layoff. The long layoff is on Price, and as expected Chapman was rusty and less effective. This is an easy one to put on the manager.

[_Sir_Charles_]

With all due respect, Kc, and I've mentioned this before, you don't play to win it develops a cancer on a team where losing is the norm. But we will agree to disagree because none of us might have a future anyway and no one, the fans in the stands, the players, and the front office wants to lose. If they do, it doesn't matter what prospects you get. The disease is growing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN-aCYVVtyo

[Roy Tucker]

Bourgeois with a great AB.

[westofyou]

With all due respect to the great Jimmy, in Wolf's original song, he sang: "I eats mo' chicken any man seen".

Lowell George to Howlin... "Howlin sign my guitar."

Howlin.... F.....

[Tracy Jones]

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/7/2/0/88064720/chapman_slider_twitter_p069oey5.gif


At 87-89 mph, that can be just as deadly a weapon as the fastball IMO. We'll have to agree to disagree I think.

For one inning, yes.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Billy the on-base-machine Hamilton. Run Billy, run!

[westofyou]

Time to Royal the Royals

[Chip R]

I agree.

But many posters, Welsh, and I am sure others pointed out, before the HR, that Chapman would be rusty, and less effective due to his long layoff. The long layoff is on Price, and as expected Chapman was rusty and less effective. This is an easy one to put on the manager.

Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's true. Maybe Price should have pitched him more but that's no guarantee he wouldn't have blown that save anyway.

[BluegrassRedleg]

RBR... Pretty please?

[_Sir_Charles_]

RBR... Pretty please?

Yeah, I don't get that. He didn't even look like he was even thinking about it.

[757690]

Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's true. Maybe Price should have pitched him more but that's no guarantee he wouldn't have blown that save anyway.

No guarantees on anything.

But a reliever should never sit for a week or longer. Especially not your closer. That's just bad bullpen management, no matter the outcome.

[_Sir_Charles_]

#54. Should've gone with Phillips up though. The line-out probably would've sent him to third.

[Tracy Jones]

J.D. Martinez has 31 HR's? Wow.

[Razor Shines]

Yeah, I don't get that. He didn't even look like he was even thinking about it.

Cause everyone knows how mad Phillips gets when someone tries to steal while he's up to bat.

[WVRedsFan]

I don't understand. Don't run with one out, why run with two out? Maybe he got the stay put sign

[_Sir_Charles_]

I don't understand. Don't run with one out, why run with two out? Maybe he got the stay put sign

Only thing I could think of was he was having a hard time reading Herrera.

[Mutaman]

Saw Wolf right before he passed in the mid 70s. they wheeled him out in a wheel chair. Still had more sexual potency than most.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom, butt hurt once again.

[WVRedsFan]

Rookie at-bat. On to the 11th

[BluegrassRedleg]

J.D. Martinez has 31 HR's? Wow.

Guy goes from Houston (hitters park) to Detroit (not so much) and sees his power explode.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Guy goes from Houston (hitters park) to Detroit (not so much) and sees his power explode.

Yeah, I was thoroughly UN-impressed with JD in Houston. If somebody says they could predict he was going to go nuts like this, they're full of it.

[Mutaman]

https://youtu.be/XQLdztuMd1g

That Sumlin fellow's not bad either.

[Tracy Jones]

Guy goes from Houston (hitters park) to Detroit (not so much) and sees his power explode.

I know. I had no idea he had 31 HR's this year. Doubtful any of the "projectors" had him doing that.

[Razor Shines]

Thom, butt hurt once again.

At least he has a microphone and an audience to vent his frustrations as a fan, otherwise I'm afraid he'd be at home screaming at his kids when someone K's looking. So it's rough on us but it could be worse.

[Tracy Jones]

At least he has a microphone and an audience to vent his frustrations as a fan, otherwise I'm afraid he'd be at home screaming at his kids when someone K's looking. So it's rough on us but it could be worse.

He could be tackling his son in the shower

[corkedbat]

https://youtu.be/XQLdztuMd1g

That Sumlin fellow's not bad either.

9685

Never Forget! Blind Melon Chitlin

[Tracy Jones]

Billy!

[_Sir_Charles_]

If Billy doesn't win the Gold Glove this season there's something terribly wrong.

Probably overturned...but a fantastic play by Billy regardless.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Awesome play by Hamilton there. Some of the Royals' own medicine. :)

['69]

Billy! Wow

[WVRedsFan]

The albatross proves his worth. Unbelievable.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Safe. Suarez missed the tag.

[Larkin Fan]

Billy showing exactly why he's on the team.

[757690]

I think he was safe. Not the first missed tag by Geno. He's a bit lazy on the fundamentals.

[Razor Shines]

Crap. Safe

[WVRedsFan]

Might be safe

[Tracy Jones]

Good lord Suarez....

[_Sir_Charles_]

I think he was safe. Not the first missed tag by Geno. He's a bit lazy on the fundamentals.


Good lord Suarez....

You get rookie mistakes by position players too. Suarez will be fine in the long run.

WOW. They upheld the call. Horrible IMO.

[Banshee]

Throw Billy throw!

[Tracy Jones]

Wow. Fortunate

[WVRedsFan]

If he's safe, stick a fork in this game. It's done.

Fortunately, he was out.

Yost history.

[757690]

Geno out of position on that tag. He needed to be straddling the bag. He was way on the outfield side.

[Razor Shines]

How?

[757690]

Replay has been incredibly inconsistent this year.

[androosh]

At least they did what they were supposed to. Definitely looked safe, but no angle showed the tag was made or missed, so it had to be upheld because of the initial call. Ohhhh Bill-ay Bill-ay Bill-ay!

[WVRedsFan]

Yost was big buddies with Dale Earnhardt, Sr. They have a lot of the same temperment

[Tracy Jones]

How?

Inconclusive I guess, so they upheld the OC.