8/19/2015 Royals at Reds

[cumberlandreds]

Ah....Schumaker in LF. What a great day to alive.


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[klw]

Interesting lineup. I was wondering a few days ago if they should put Phillips in the 4 spot and move Frazier to another spot. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

[Tom Servo]

BP hitting cleanup is the Reds consistently fallback plan for mediocrity.

[klw]

Weather looks like it could be dicey.

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[Chip R]

BP hitting cleanup is the Reds consistently fallback plan for mediocrity.

Right now I'd settle for mediocrity.

[Banshee]

I think that weather front hitting might be their best bet tonight.

[WVRedsFan]

Schumaker?? Why?

[klw]

If I had to guess I would say the start is delayed until around 8:35 but that they get the game in after that.

[Razor Shines]

Schumaker?? Why?

Sampson hasn't had enough adversity yet.

[Tom Servo]

John Fay ‏@johnfayman 2m2 minutes ago
#Reds say game will start at 8:45 — p.m. hopefully.

[Ironman92]

BP batting 4th I hate berry berry much. He a swinga fora too many touchdowns.

[Ironman92]

Skip gonna show the Royals how to play OF. He was working with Cain before the game. Also rumored that he raced Dyson before the game and it was pretty tight through the first .50 meters.

[Tom Servo]

Walk and a double down the line that looked foul but apparently wasn't and it's already 1-0 Royals.

[Ironman92]

Walk and a double down the line that looked foul but apparently wasn't and it's already 1-0 Royals.

It's hard to even argue those plays as the camera is always so far away. Reds got two nice breaks on replay last night.

[Tom Servo]

2-0 Royals on the Hosmer single

[Banshee]

Another run. I've got a baaad feeling about this one.

[Chip R]

This could be a long night.

[Tom Servo]

Sampson gives up 3 hits and a walk but limits the damage as it were to 2 runs. Took a lotta pitches.

[klw]

AB of the year by Beourgeous leads to a single. 11 pitches

[Tom Servo]

"Why"


agreed Chris

[Chip R]

SMH

[BluegrassRedleg]

Such a waste of a great AB.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom heaping praise on Votto and OBP. Credit where it's due...

[BluegrassRedleg]

Boom. HR #22 for Votto

2-1 game.

[Tom Servo]

Votto! :jump:

2-1 game

[Banshee]

Mr. No XBH Votto goes deep, HR!

[Chip R]

Rally killer.

[Ironman92]

I don't get the "why"....why did he have to "why" in the background? He got picked off big deal. I've watched Votto and Bruce do terrible terrible things on the bases...it's ok. It happens. Not like he was the tying run in the 8th.

Similar to when he harped about Iglesias not sprinting to first when he never said a word when Cueto did it twice a game. Same damn thing....doesn't matter who.

[Tom Servo]

DatDude! :jump:

tie game!

[BluegrassRedleg]

BP follows with HR. BACK TO BACK JACKS.

[Ironman92]

TOUCHDOWN Phillips!

[Banshee]

BP HR, 2-2, this could be fun! Here's to a 11-10 type of game.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Talk about a hanger... Wow.

[Tom Servo]

I don't get the "why"....why did he have to "why" in the background? He got picked off big deal. I've watched Votto and Bruce do terrible terrible things on the bases...it's ok. It happens. Not like he was the tying run in the 8th.

Similar to when he harped about Iglesias not sprinting to first when he never said a word when Cueto did it twice a game. Same damn thing....doesn't matter who.
Why

[Ironman92]

BP HR, 2-2, this could be fun! Here's to a 11-10 type of game.

Can we win this one please?

[Banshee]

I missed it, Frenchy get picked off I suppose?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Almost 3 in a row. Bruce flies out to warning track in CF.

[Tom Servo]

I missed it, Frenchy get picked off I suppose?
Yup. Great at-bat, 11 pitches, singles up the middle. And then gets picked off.

[Raisor]

I missed it, Frenchy get picked off I suppose?



J'ai mapelle Claude

[Ironman92]

I missed it, Frenchy get picked off I suppose?

I can't have that. Frenchy is Jeff Francoeur.

[Raisor]

Can we win this one please?

I always win

[Banshee]

Yup. Great at-bat, 11 pitches, singles up the middle. And then gets picked off.

Danka. Saw the AB/hit, went to the kitchen, made a sandwich, came back to see Votto launch, and saw only one run...Ugh. Still, back in the ballgame, and some excitement.

[GADawg]

This could be a long night.

at least we're not getting teased tonight....i can go on to bed whenever

[Tom Servo]

TIL Jim Day is equipped.

[Raisor]

I think I might get a job offer for a job I'm not applying for. If they offer it to me I'm going to demand an outrageous amount of money and see what happens.

#interesting times

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I think I might get a job offer for a job I'm not applying for. If they offer it to me I'm going to demand an outrageous amount of money and see what happens.

#interesting times

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Jim Day is equipped.

Family board

[Ironman92]

You are very gritty tonight Raisor

[Raisor]

You are very gritty tonight Raisor

I'm the Rated-R superstar

[GADawg]

TOUCHDOWN Phillips!

trade him

[Tom Servo]

Looking like this will be a short night for Sampson.

[Chuckie]

Nice work out of Zobrist there.

[Ironman92]

Zobrist with the two shortest doubles in MLB this season

[Raisor]

Looking like this will be a short night for Sampson.

Family board

[GADawg]

Adam Rosales DFA'd....I love him, bring him back!

[Tom Servo]

4-2 Royals

ugh

[Chuckie]

4-2 Royals.

#DraftPickEnhancement

[Ironman92]

Only Stanton has hit a ball up the middle harder that that.

[Larkin Fan]

This is gonna be a long game...

[GADawg]

4-2 Royals.

#DraftPickEnhancement

you're like a dog, er I mean dawg, with a bone!

[Ironman92]

Adam Rosales DFA'd....I love him, bring him back!

I was at the Reds game on his 2nd or 3rd career HR and he runs around the bases like his hair is on fire.

He's had a way longer career than I expected. He'll maybe get one last chance.

[Chuckie]

Servo is going to be so mad when we get a franchise player with the No. 3 pick next year and he'll have to admit I was right.

[Ironman92]

This is gonna be a long game...

9 innings will do it

[Ironman92]

Servo is going to be so mad when we get a franchise player with the No. 3 pick next year and he'll have to admit I was right.

And the pick 4 spots back will be better than Mike Trout

[Ironman92]

Man, I mean MAN...Thom can tell a GREAT story and not AT ALL drag it out. MAN

[Ironman92]

Skip whiffs on 2 pitches

[WVRedsFan]

Skip is a total waste of time. Bryan doesn't believe us, though.

[Chuckie]

And the pick 4 spots back will be better than Mike Trout

The Mike Trout example is always hilarious because most people who use it have no clue the only reason he "slipped" was signability.

[Tom Servo]

Servo is going to be so mad when we get a franchise player with the No. 3 pick next year and he'll have to admit I was right.
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[Chuckie]

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Damn man, THAT happened to you? Sorry to hear that.

[WVRedsFan]

I hate Missouri. I hate Thom talking about the opposition so much.

[Tom Servo]

I hate Missouri. I hate Thom talking about the opposition so much.
Also Rex Hudler is a dummy.

[757690]

Geno has stopped with the big, obvious errors, but it seems almost evey game, he's a little late getting to a bag, or with a tag, or with a throw. He's got a nice bat, but I'm not convinced he can handle being an everyday SS.

[Ironman92]

The Mike Trout example is always hilarious because most people who use it have no clue the only reason he "slipped" was signability.

Ok....so that can't happen again? If you can stop laughing.

[Ironman92]

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How did the guy that kicked him in not go in too?

[GADawg]

Geno has stopped with the big, obvious errors, but it seems almost evey game, he's a little late getting to a bag, or with a tag, or with a throw. He's got a nice bat, but I'm not convinced he can handle being an everyday SS.

sacrilege

[Ironman92]

Thom is just terrible. Just flipping talk.

[Chuckie]

How did the guy that kicked him in not go in too?

That was quite ninja of him.

[Ironman92]

Riveting....I mean RIVITING story.

[Tom Servo]

Leadoff walk to Bourgeois. On the plus side, Guthrie is still garbage.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Leadoff walk for Jason B. If he gets picked off again...I vote Chuckie leads off. I was going to suggest Phil, but I don't think his ego could handle not hitting cleanup.

[Ironman92]

I hope Bourgeuoiuos gets picked off again.

[Ironman92]

Leadoff walk for Jason B. If he gets picked off again...I vote Chuckie leads off.

Why?

[GADawg]

i'm starting margarita #3 so don't start any shortstop crap tonight Eugenio Servo!

[Chuckie]

In addition to the better draft pick, I don't want scrubs like Holmberg, Sampson, et al to have lucky finishes and trick the front office into thinking they are actually a part of the solution.

[Tom Servo]

i'm starting margarita #3 so don't start any shortstop crap tonight Eugenio Servo!
I'm one Blue Moon deep, I can take ya.

[Larkin Fan]

How many times will Bourgeois get himself picked off tonight?

[Chuckie]

i'm starting margarita #3 so don't start any shortstop crap tonight Eugenio Servo!

A few beers in here.

["A few" = at least 10]

4-3. Suarez style.

[Tom Servo]

Suarez RBI double!

4-3 game

[_Sir_Charles_]

2 bagger for Suarez. 4-3 blue-guys.

[WVRedsFan]

The French guy scores. I still think he's fodder.

[Ironman92]

In addition to the better draft pick, I don't want scrubs like Holmberg, Sampson, et al to have lucky finishes and trick the front office into thinking they are actually a part of the solution.

I can definitely jump on board with that one.

[Raisor]

Leadoff walk for Jason B. If he gets picked off again...I vote Chuckie leads off. I was going to suggest Phil, but I don't think his ego could handle not hitting cleanup.

My ego is small compared to other parts of me

[Tom Servo]

Thom beating the drum for Suarez in LF.


I hate you, Thom.

[Larkin Fan]

Moving Suarez to another position to accommodate Cozart would be a huge mistake.

[Ironman92]

My ego is small compared to other parts of me

[emoji206]?

[Ironman92]

Pretty good arm by the Skip wannabe

[_Sir_Charles_]

My ego is small compared to other parts of me

Your god complex? :O)

[Chip R]

Not a fan of Suarez tagging up there. He can score just as easy from 2nd on a hit as he can from 3rd.

[Tom Servo]

We can't possibly trade our career .245/.284/.375 Shortstop!!!!!!!!1

[Raisor]

Moving Suarez to another position to accommodate Cozart would be a huge mistake.


Suarez has to be the SS moving forward.

[Ironman92]

Not a fan of Suarez tagging up there. He can score just as easy from 2nd on a hit as he can from 3rd.

Uh what?

[Raisor]

Your god complex? :O)

My stomach

[GADawg]

the only other place Suarez would be as valuable would be 2b imo....probably not gonna happen for another year or two

[_Sir_Charles_]

Not a fan of Suarez tagging up there. He can score just as easy from 2nd on a hit as he can from 3rd.

Put pressure on the defense to make the play. He can score alot easier on a passed ball though. Or a half dozen other things. (okay, not really...but I don't have a problem with the Reds forcing the action)

[Ironman92]

We can't possibly trade our career .245/.284/.375 Shortstop!!!!!!!!1

But he's a good guy...I don't mean good in the sense of the term but I mean he's the best. What a guy! Wow man not many like him. What a guy.

[Tom Servo]

How....we don't move anybody off of their positions?

[Ironman92]

Phillips with a Heisey

[Raisor]

Thom beating the drum for Suarez in LF.


I hate you, Thom.

Tom hates Thom who really hates Thhom

[GADawg]

We can't possibly trade our career .245/.284/.375 Shortstop!!!!!!!!1

D-Fence!! D-Fence!!

[_Sir_Charles_]

the only other place Suarez would be as valuable would be 2b imo....probably not gonna happen for another year or two

Personally, I think Blandino is the 2b moving forward. Guessing where Suarez will be is pointless IMO until we know if anybody gets dealt. Brandon or Zack go anywhere and we know our answer. If not, we'll see a rotation of all 3 at the 2 slots I think. But it's just guessing at this point.

[Raisor]

How....we don't move anybody off of their positions?

Just like in the political forum

[Ironman92]

My stomach

Sorry I said you had a big butt.

[WVRedsFan]

Moving Suarez to another position to accommodate Cozart would be a huge mistake.
If Bryan thinks Cozart is a better answer at short before seeing how he will play after injury, that's just one more reason to hope Walt has enough sense to do the right thing.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Sorry I said you had a big butt.

I like those. I cannot lie.

[Raisor]

Sorry I said you had a big butt.



I like big butts and I cannot lie

[WVRedsFan]

Phillips with a Heisey
That name bring chills. Do not repeat.

[Chip R]

Put pressure on the defense to make the play. He can score alot easier on a passed ball though. Or a half dozen other things. (okay, not really...but I don't have a problem with the Reds forcing the action)

I understand that but Cain has a great arm and the Reds need baserunners and not guys getting thrown out on the bases.

I'm sure you would have been OK if he got thrown out, right?

[Ironman92]

I like big butts and I cannot lie

Thought you always won?

[Tom Servo]

Sampson has nothing tonight.

[Ironman92]

I understand that but Cain has a great arm and the Reds need baserunners and not guys getting thrown out on the bases.

I'm sure you would have been OK if he got thrown out, right?

We just would've said "why" 27x

[Raisor]

Thought you always won?

I do. I'm a winner.

Chip is the anti-me

[Banshee]

91 pitches 3+ for Sampson. Efficient..

[Ironman92]

That name bring chills. Do not repeat.

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[Tom Servo]

'Everyday' Pedro Villarreal

[_Sir_Charles_]

I understand that but Cain has a great arm and the Reds need baserunners and not guys getting thrown out on the bases.

I'm sure you would have been OK if he got thrown out, right?

If the defense makes a perfect play, you tip your cap IMO. But that's what it would've taken. Suarez isn't slow and it was deep enough. It's not like we're in a pennant race. Play hard and push the action. Playing cautiously...what the heck for?

[Banshee]

Maybe Sampson should try the middle of the mound next time.

[Ironman92]

If the defense makes a perfect play, you tip your cap IMO. But that's what it would've taken. Suarez isn't slow and it was deep enough. It's not like we're in a pennant race. Play hard and push the action. Playing cautiously...what the heck for?

Yeah...that and the Royals tag on that every time.

[Ironman92]

Carry on my way....

[_Sir_Charles_]

Why not let Sampson throw the intentional walk? I hate bringing a guy in and immediately asking him to throw outside the zone.

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Carry on my way....

ward son?

[Larkin Fan]

I fear this is about to get Villareally bad.

[WVRedsFan]

What a disaster.

[Ironman92]

Why not let Sampson throw the intentional walk? I hate bringing a guy in and immediately asking him to throw outside the zone.

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ward son?

57x a game

[Chuckie]

Here we go Draft Pick, here we go! [clap, clap]

[Larkin Fan]

He did Villareally good!

[_Sir_Charles_]

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[Raisor]

I fear this is about to get Villareally bad.

I've always hated you

[WVRedsFan]

Maybe V has learned how to pitch?

[Larkin Fan]

I've always hated you

I love you too, Phil.

[WVRedsFan]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/19/2aca9a2c6a1f0ef86aeb8f6089f6616f.jpgexcuse me while I barf.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Thus far this isn't QUITE a pitching duel, is it?

[Ironman92]

excuse me while I barf.

I know your wife thinks he's hot.

[Ironman92]

Thus far this isn't QUITE a pitching duel, is it?

Not quite yet my fine-feathered friend

[_Sir_Charles_]

I know your wife thinks he's hot.

Yeah, but that's only by comparison. :O)

[GADawg]

Frazier walked?

Why?

[WVRedsFan]

Skippy up to do nothing. Bet they'll resign him for two years.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Passed ball. Productive at bat for Skip. Well...as productive as we should expect.

[Ironman92]

Frazier should've stayed at 1st...just as easy to score on a double

[Chuckie]

Skippy up to do nothing. Bet they'll resign him for two years.

With an option/buyout for the third year, of course.

[Chip R]

Skippy up to do nothing. Bet they'll resign him for two years.

Skip can grit him to 3rd.

[Ironman92]

Frazier walked?

Why?

Lazy

[Raisor]

I love you too, Phil.

"But I do know Larkin Fan'ssister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Larkin Fan being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

[Ironman92]

Skip can grit him to 3rd.

Hopefully we can grit him off the roster

[WVRedsFan]

Thus far this isn't QUITE a pitching duel, is it?
Nah. She thinks McDreamy is hot, though. Wouldn't know Heisey from Lively. :)

[_Sir_Charles_]

Boesch? When did he come back?

[Ironman92]

Boesch? When did he come back?

Rode side-saddle with Yosemite Sam

[Tom Servo]

Boesch? When did he come back?
Today. Along with your boy LeCure.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Today. Along with your boy LeCure.

Whoa! Really? Cool. Our power went out today for about 3-4 hours so I missed some stuff.

Oh, crap. Billy's hurt too? :(

[Ironman92]

Alice Cooper and Motley Crüe playing right beside GABP. If Phillips makes a behind the back toss or Kyle Schwarber hits a HR those concert go-ers are going to be ticked cause they won't be able to hear Motley because of Thom.

[Ironman92]

Whoa! Really? Cool. Our power went out today for about 3-4 hours so I missed some stuff.

Yep

[Ironman92]

It's already the 5th inning.... This game is hauling [emoji206]

[Tom Servo]

I'm tired and a little drunk and I just want Thom to stop talking.

[_Sir_Charles_]

It's already the 5th inning.... This game is hauling [emoji206]

It's hauling a horses head? It must be some new slang the kids are using these days. I can never keep up.

[Chip R]

I'm tired and a little drunk and I just want Thom to stop talking.

The mute button is your friend.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm tired and a little drunk and I just want Thom to stop talking.

Keep drinking. Pretty soon he'll sound exactly like Vin Scully.

[Chip R]

Keep drinking. Pretty soon he'll sound exactly like Vin Scully.

Not enough beer in the keg.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Not enough beer in the keg.

Beer? Tequila. Too much beer and he'll simply sound like a louder and angrier Thom. Tequila is the grown-up version of Calvin's transmogrifier.

[Chip R]

Frenchy: On base machine.

[BluegrassRedleg]

C'mon, Joseph. Big knock here.

[Tom Servo]

jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus

[_Sir_Charles_]

Dang. Thought that was gone off the bat. Heckuva play by Dyson.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Damn. Thought Votto had a 3-run oppo HR. Great catch by Dyson up against the fence.

[Ironman92]

Dyson is a decent athlete

[Banshee]

Votto: warning track power.

[Tom Servo]

I can't believe Dyson got that far up and caught it.

[_Sir_Charles_]

What in the world could they be looking for?

Maybe the umps just were amazed and wanted to see it again for fun.

[757690]

Frenchy: On base machine.

He's nothing special, but I think time has revealed that he and DeJesus should have made the team over Boesch and Dominguez.

[Tom Servo]

He's nothing special, but I think time has revealed the the and DeJesus should have made the team over Boesch and Dominguez.
Bourgeois was on the DL.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Looks like a good catch. Reds challenging.

[Tom Servo]

It KINDA looked like it might have hit the wall, but no real way to tell.

[757690]

Bourgeois was on the DL.

Thanks for the correction. That injury late in camp proved to be more meaningful than originally thought. Still, it did seem like he was headed to AAA before he got injured.

[Tom Servo]

Seriously though, how lucky was Guthrie on that Votto drive?

[Tom Servo]

Guthrie almost lucky again on a line shot by BP, but can't make a play. Bases loaded, one out for Bruce.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Seriously though, how lucky was Guthrie on that Votto drive?

Extremely. Joey was dialed in on him tonight.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Extremely. Joey was dialed in on him tonight.

So was Suarez IMO. He really smoked the ball.

[Banshee]

LOL!

[Tom Servo]

LOL

[BluegrassRedleg]

Bourgeous = Baserunning Clinic

[Razor Shines]

Ha

[757690]

That's on Riggleman as much as it's on Jason.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Un. Real. :(

I'm out, gotta get up at 4am. Nite fellas.

[BluegrassRedleg]

But, to be fair, just CLASSIC Jay Bruce AB.

[Ironman92]

Now...NOW bring on the why's

[WVRedsFan]

The French guy is fodder and yet he starts. Total ignorance. Wake up, "brain trust."

[Ironman92]

That's on Riggleman as much as it's on Jason.

I'd scream at my 12 year old for that....learn some rules

[Banshee]

LOL

Jinx.

[TheBigLebowski]

There's simply no reason NOT to root for the best draft pick possible.

These guys are hilarious.

[Razor Shines]

But, to be fair, just CLASSIC Jay Bruce AB.

He's always hitting into those bases loaded infield fly rule double plays.

[Banshee]

In defense of Frenchy Jr.(better?), he's only 33.

[Tom Servo]

Zobrist cannot be stopped.

[757690]

I'd scream at my 12 year old for that....learn some rules

It's the 3B coach's job to go over that with every runner that reaches 3B. He also should have been yelling at him to get back.

[PuffyPig]

That's a hard play to watch.

I wonder why Jason wasn't on third base after the Votto fly ball? If it's a HR, it doesn't matter. If it's off the wall, he'd likely score form 2nd anyway. With no outs, you'd think he'd make sure he got to third? Presumably he was going about half way.

[Kc61]

I have to give Castellini credit. Not for his stewardship of the current club. But for his incredible patience.

If I were the owner, about now, I would start dismissing people. I wouldn't be able to stand having my name affiliated with this product.

This season is just a disaster and without some very bold moves this team is years away from success.

[savafan]

These last couple games have shown a good comparison between what is a good baseball team, and what the Reds are.

[Ironman92]

It's the 3B coach's job to go over that with every runner that reaches 3B. He also should have been yelling at him to get back.

Does he also need to tell him to breathe?

[50YrRedsFan]

That's a hard play to watch.

I wonder why Jason wasn't on third base after the Votto fly ball? If it's a HR, it doesn't matter. If it's off the wall, he'd likely score form 2nd anyway. With no outs, you'd think he'd make sure he got to third? Presumably he was going about half way.

I Q tests anyone?

[Ironman92]

For every Jason gaffe on the bases I hereby take a vowel from his name.

Jsn Boureouiogeious

[Ironman92]

Just a little FYI I just messaged Thom and let him know that Schwarber hit another HR tonight....might want to turn the volume down....or off.

[50YrRedsFan]

Frazier in free fall.

[BluegrassRedleg]

For every Jason gaffe on the bases I hereby take a vowel from his name.

Jsn Boureouiogeious

Take the "r" out instead since his baserunning guarantees he'll never score.

[WVRedsFan]

I have to give Castellini credit. Not for his stewardship of the current club. But for his incredible patience.

If I were the owner, about now, I would start dismissing people. I wouldn't be able to stand having my name affiliated with this product.

This season is just a disaster and without some very bold moves this team is years away from success.i agree, but you can bet they will bring the manager back, sign Skippy to an extension, continue to not address the offensive philosophy of the team, and refuse to trade for offensive while stockpiling pitchers, none of them good and mostly from the dumpster division.

[WVRedsFan]

Skip = Pitiful. And yet he starts.

[757690]

Does he also need to tell him to breathe?

Like I said, it's on Riggleman as much as it's on Jason. If Riggleman does his job, Jason doesn't leave 3B.

[50YrRedsFan]

Schumaker's average hovering just above the Mendoza line at .203

[Chip R]

Just a little FYI I just messaged Thom and let him know that Schwarber hit another HR tonight....might want to turn the volume down....or off.

I hope there's a splash guard in the booth.

[757690]

I have to give Castellini credit. Not for his stewardship of the current club. But for his incredible patience.

If I were the owner, about now, I would start dismissing people. I wouldn't be able to stand having my name affiliated with this product.

This season is just a disaster and without some very bold moves this team is years away from success.

#accountability

Teams with decent managers don't produce such disasterous games, night after night.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Sam LeCure sighting! :eek:

[Ironman92]

Like I said, it's on Riggleman as much as it's on Jason. If Riggleman does his job, Jason doesn't leave 3B.

Well, you are still wrong but ok.

[Kc61]

Skip = Pitiful. And yet he starts.

I don't like picking on the bench guys. They don't play that much, they aren't highly paid. If they were better, they'd play more.

My problem is with some of the "mainstays."

[WVRedsFan]

Phillips hurt or is Bryan just trying to make a genius move?

[BluegrassRedleg]

I don't like picking on the bench guys. They don't play that much, they aren't highly paid. If they were better, they'd play more.

My problem is with some of the "mainstays."

That's why I'm more miffed with Bruce in that situation. Emblematic of the issue that has plagued the Reds for years.

[Kc61]

#accountability

Teams with decent managers don't produce such disasterous games, night after night.

Teams with better GMs play better. Teams with better managers play better. Teams with better coaches play better. Teams with better players play better.

[757690]

Well, you are still wrong but ok.

I've actually been a 3rd base coach at the college level.

I'm commonly wrong. Not on this.

[cincrazy]

But, to be fair, just CLASSIC Jay Bruce AB.

I didn't think it was a bad AB. He battled him. He didn't strike out swinging at a ball in the dirt. Hochevar was throwing gas, and I'm sure Bruce isn't that familiar with him.

Obviously if the bases are loaded with less than 2 outs and you don't get at least the guy on third home, it's not a good AB. But you win some and you lose some. I didn't think his approach at the plate was that terrible. He just got beat. It happens. It was compounded by Jason's ignorant mistake.

[Chip R]

Sam just dropped a deuce on Butera.

[757690]

Teams with better GMs play better. Teams with better managers play better. Teams with better coaches play better. Teams with better players play better.

It's not about playing better. It's about not embarrassing yourself and your fans. That doesn't happen on teams with decent managers.

[Kc61]

It's not about playing better. It's about not embarrassing yourself and your fans. That doesn't happen on teams with decent managers.

Casey Stengel was a legendary manager, a WS manager, but the '62 Mets were laughable.

The players play the game. Others have responsibility too, yes. But ultimately if you have very good players this does not happen.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I didn't think it was a bad AB. He battled him. He didn't strike out swinging at a ball in the dirt. Hochevar was throwing gas, and I'm sure Bruce isn't that familiar with him.

Obviously if the bases are loaded with less than 2 outs and you don't get at least the guy on third home, it's not a good AB. But you win some and you lose some. I didn't think his approach at the plate was that terrible. He just got beat. It happens. It was compounded by Jason's ignorant mistake.

It happens a lot with Bruce in similar situations. Just can't be counted on to deliver a hard-hit ball when it matters most.

[cincrazy]

It's not about playing better. It's about not embarrassing yourself and your fans. That doesn't happen on teams with decent managers.

We've battled back and forth on this for much of the season, and I'm starting to see it more from your side of things. I can no longer give Price the benefit of the doubt. The poor roster construction and injuries are certainly a factor, but don't tell the whole story. He's been absolutely atrocious. These mistakes don't happen on a club managed by Buck Showalter, or Tony LaRussa, or Joe Maddon. Of course, every team occasionally has a brain fart. But it happens ALL THE TIME to this particular club. Just a complete lack of preparedness. Totally embarrassing.

[757690]

Casey Stengel was a legendary manager, a WS manager, but the '62 Mets were laughable.

The players play the game. Others have responsibility too, yes. But ultimately if you have very good players this does not happen.

This team ain't the 62 Mets. Pretty much the same players didn't embarrass themselves in 2013 and earlier.

[50YrRedsFan]

#accountability

Teams with decent managers don't produce such disasterous games, night after night.

This team has (or had) some of the best players in MLB this year. Votto, Cueto, Chapman, Frazier, and some very good players (Phillips, Bruce etc) They shouldn't be this bad. Why are they?

[cincrazy]

It happens a lot with Bruce in similar situations. Just can't be counted on to deliver a hard-hit ball when it matters most.

I understand your frustration. Generally I agree with you. He tries to do too much and gets himself out a lot. Just saying I don't think he did that in that particular instance. Regardless, he didn't get the run home and he certainly failed in that given AB. This team is maddening.

[757690]

Sam just dropped a deuce on Butera.

Are you implying that Sam is German?

[Kc61]

It happens a lot with Bruce in similar situations. Just can't be counted on to deliver a hard-hit ball when it matters most.

Bruce is just not my preferred type of hitter. He has a decent share of extra base hits, and he's walked this year.

But he only has 100 hits playing every day beyond mid-August. He just hits too many fly balls and not enough singles.

Ironically, his typical fly ball would have tied this game there.

I can see Jay's value, some fans love his skill set. I recognize his contribution, which has been considerable. I just prefer a bit less power and more consistency.

[PuffyPig]

It happens a lot with Bruce in similar situations. Just can't be counted on to deliver a hard-hit ball when it matters most.

Over the last 4 years, Bruce has hit betters with runners on base, RISP, and bases loaded, than in other situations.

[cincrazy]

This team has (or had) some of the best players in MLB this year. Votto, Cueto, Chapman, Frazier, and some very good players (Phillips, Bruce etc) They shouldn't be this bad. Why are they?

They've also had some of the worst players. Teams like the Cards and Pirates are steamrolling along because of their depth, not because of just a few superstars. The same applies to the Nationals. A lot of star power, but they're a top heavy team and it shows. The Reds have some top-end talent, but there's a huge dispartity between their best players, and the rest of the roster. And some of their best players (notably Frazier) were playing a bit over their head early in the season. His crash back to earth was likely inevitable, but frustrating. Couple that with their ignorance and lack of baseball IQ, and it isn't pretty.

[50YrRedsFan]

It happens a lot with Bruce in similar situations. Just can't be counted on to deliver a hard-hit ball when it matters most.

Fact

[Kc61]

Maybe because of the longevity of some of these players, they are overrated by their fans. Some of these star players have big holes in their game.

Not Votto, he's superb. But some of the others.

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Over the last 4 years, Bruce has hit betters with runners on base, RISP, and bases loaded, than in other situations.

How about the last two years.

[Chip R]

Here comes the SchwarberLove.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Bruce is just not my preferred type of hitter. He has a decent share of extra base hits, and he's walked this year.

But he only has 100 hits playing every day beyond mid-August. He just hits too many fly balls and not enough singles.

Ironically, his typical fly ball would have tied this game there.

I can see Jay's value, some fans love his skill set. I recognize his contribution, which has been considerable. I just prefer a bit less power and more consistency.

Agree. I've been a fan, too. I just think he's a guy that does enough good things (and typically finishes with solid totals on the back of his baseball card) but can't be counted on. I wish they had dealt him to a contender at the July deadline.

[Ironman92]

I've actually been a 3rd base coach at the college level.

I'm commonly wrong. Not on this.

....we'll he's been a major league manager and is a major league 3rd base coach you know he didn't tell him before every pitch to check out the position of the fielders and beware of a line drive DP or to watch out for the IF fly rule. Do we know he fist say to him as soon as he got there....hey in the air to the OF tag up and in the IF gotta watch for the IF fly?

I coached the bases for 20 years including in the regional finals and have been district coach of the year if we are going to humble brag back and forth. I say those things every time to every player and even the very best sometimes ignore or get caught in the moment and don't do. I've seen 3rd base coaches with both hands up and 1/2 way down the line jumping up and down and have seen Brandon Phillips (and many many others throughout the game) run right through it and get out.

Maybe Riggleman said nothing at any time to him and did nothing to help or coach Bourgeois....even then it's still not just as much his fault.....but neither of us have a clue of whether he said anything during that AB or not and we both know players don't always listen be it intentional like running thru a sign or unintentional getting caught up in the moment. I don't care if you've lead Vanderbilt to 4 National Championships or live and die by the Steve Smith book of coaching .....you're wrong.

[Kc61]

It may just be that Bruce's game fell off when injured last year and he hasn't come all the way back. He's had some very impressive seasons in the past.

But, you know, these current games are now.

[Razor Shines]

It happens a lot with Bruce in similar situations. Just can't be counted on to deliver a hard-hit ball when it matters most.

He's OPSing .758 with men on base this season, not great but above average. Frazier's OPS is .743 with men on base. Less than a season is a small sample sizesfor both but I wouldn't say "they can't be counted on."

[BCubb2003]

It may just be that Bruce's game fell off when injured last year and he hasn't come all the way back. He's had some very impressive seasons in the past.

But, you know, these current games are now.

Yes, some sample sizes are too big.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nice couple of innings by The Cure.

[50YrRedsFan]

The Reds are down 1 run, but it seems like a dozen. Just like last night. It just seems like they will never score.

[BluegrassRedleg]

He's OPSing .758 with men on base this season, not great but above average. Frazier's OPS is .743 with men on base. Less than a season is a small sample sizes for both but I wouldn't say "they can't be counted on."

FWIW, I don't count on Frazier for a great AB in that situation, either. I think it's almost a team-wide thing, with the exception of Votto, the last 4-5 years.

I don't really mind if they make an out there. Just hit the ball hard somewhere.

[Kc61]

FWIW, I don't count on Frazier for a great AB in that situation, either. I think it's almost a team-wide thing, with the exception of Votto, the last 4-5 years.

I don't really mind if they make an out there. Just hit the ball hard somewhere.

The Reds have become too focused on power and not enough on OBP/BA. Jocketty said as much at the end of the 2014 season, but the emphasis didn't change on the big league club.

They need to change this ASAP.

[50YrRedsFan]

The new bat didn't help Joey.

[Kc61]

I'm calling a home run for Bruce, who is on deck, by the way. Right now, he'll win this game with a dinger.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Head Can o' Corn.

[Kc61]

Guess not. Fly ball out.