8/20/2015 - Reds vs. D'Backs

[Tom Servo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM39r45WcAEaM8X.jpg

[klw]

CF followed by SS. Reminds me of the good ol' days of Dusty.


Byrd has been traded so lineup will change.

[klw]

New Lineup:

Jason Bourgeois - CF
Eugenio Suarez - SS
Joey Votto - 1B
Todd Frazier - 3B
Jay Bruce - RF
Ivan De Jesus, Jr. - 2B
Skip Schumaker - LF
Tucker Barnhart - C
John Lamb - P


Schumaker in for Byrd. Dejesus moves up a spot in lineup. I am curious as to why Votto would see a strike ever.

[Razor Shines]

New Lineup:

Jason Bourgeois - CF
Eugenio Suarez - SS
Joey Votto - 1B
Todd Frazier - 3B
Jay Bruce - RF
Ivan De Jesus, Jr. - 2B
Skip Schumaker - LF
Tucker Barnhart - C
John Lamb - P


Schumaker in for Byrd. Dejesus moves up a spot in lineup. I am curious as to why Votto would see a strike ever.

Well Schumaker is in the top 1000 in the world at his profession, that alone has to get Votto some pitches to hit.

[klw]

Well Schumaker is in the top 1000 in the world at his profession, that alone has to get Votto some pitches to hit.

Touche. My comment was not about Skip as much as it was the lineup 4-8 at the moment. Until Frazier and Bruce get going, why would they not walk Votto?

[Ironman92]

The worst lineup of the year.

Can one of you GMs tell me why they don't call someone up for an extended look?

[Tom Servo]

The worst lineup of the year.

Can one of you GMs tell me why they don't call someone up for an extended look?
Yorman is hurt. Duvall has tanked since starting hot. That's about it. I guess they could bring up Juan Duran to hit one long HR for every 10 strikeouts. Adding Winker now would be silly.

That said, I probably would have called up Duvall and put him in LF moving forward. But giving him another week or two in Louisville isn't a big deal.

[Raisor]

The worst lineup of the year.

Can one of you GMs tell me why they don't call someone up for an extended look?

The Louisville Bats are in Georgia and they haven't invented teleportation yet

[redsmetz]

The worst lineup of the year.

Can one of you GMs tell me why they don't call someone up for an extended look?

With the trade coming down so late, they weren't getting someone up from the Atlanta area by game time.

[Tom Servo]

Lamb's got a nice shiner after bunting that ball off his eye the other day.

[Razor Shines]

I was in the other room and haven't rewound it to check yet but did Thom say Goldschmidt is the equivalent to Frazier for the Reds?

[757690]

Lamb's curly blonde locks remind me of Christina Crawford

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[Tom Servo]

I was in the other room and haven't rewound it to check yet but did Thom say Goldschmidt is the equivalent to Frazier for the Reds?
He said Goldschmidt is going through the same struggles as Frazier. Goldschmidt's monthly splits tell me that is not the case, even though he is having a below average August. He's not going anywhere nearly as bad as Frazier is.

[BluegrassRedleg]

PINCH RUNNER!!!11!! :p

[Larkin Fan]

A hit for Bourgeois. How long until Bourgeois figures out how to make an out anyways?

[Banshee]

Nice oppo base hit by Suarez.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Suarez: Great AB at end of last night's game, great AB at start of tonight's game.

[Razor Shines]

He said Goldschmidt is going through the same struggles as Frazier. Goldschmidt's monthly splits tell me that is not the case, even though he is having a below average August. He's not going anywhere nearly as bad as Frazier is.

Ahh.. Ok that at least makes some sense. I thought he was saying they were the same type of hitter or something along those lines.

[Kc61]

I think it was correct to bring up LaMarre. He's not a starting major league player, but he's been good enough to compete for a bench spot eventually.

[Banshee]

Frenchy Jr. asleep at the wheel again at 3B. Probably for the best.

[Kc61]

Bruce and Bourgeois in their traditional spots with bases loaded one out.

Jason, watch for the pop up.

[Chip R]

Frenchy Jr. asleep at the wheel again at 3B. Probably for the best.

Yeah, let's go station to station with him tonight.

[Banshee]

Nice job by Bruuce on the sac fly, Suarez not so good, out at 3rd.

[Tom Servo]

welp

[Kc61]

Nice job by Bruuce on the sac fly, Suarez not so good, out at 3rd.

Sometimes the baserunner goes to third to try and make sure the runner scores. Draw the throw to third and the runner scores easily.

That time, though, Suarez seemed to run late. And the play at home wasn't close. Not a good base running play.

[Razor Shines]

Classic Bruce. Bases loaded, gets the ball in the air but still manages to hit into a double play.

[Tom Servo]

The black eye looks pretty cool though. Gives him more character.

[Chuckie]

Atta boy Lamb Chop.

[Banshee]

Lamb looks like he really has a good feel for changing speed/locations. It's early, but really impressed w/ the level of "pitcher" he is already.

[Tom Servo]

I want to be sarcastic but that was nice hustle by Skippy.

[757690]

Grittiness earns an extra base.

[WrongVerb]

Grit

[Tom Servo]

No wonder Frazier is struggling, he's hanging out with nerds like Sean Marshall and Brennan Boesch in the dugout.

[WrongVerb]

I want to be sarcastic but that was nice hustle by Skippy.

Oh, go on, snark away. It isn't as if his previous sins haven't made him worthy.

[Tom Servo]

Barnhart singles in Skippy

2-0 Redlegs

[Banshee]

Tucker rbi single, and he can throw a bit too! 2-0 redlegs!

[Larkin Fan]

LOL at the mental error by Goldschmidt.

[WrongVerb]

Atta boy Lamb Chop.

Instead of the big red string of "K"s in the left field bleachers, there should be big pictures of lamb chops and every time Lamb gets a strikeout, you could say "Lamb chops another one down."

[Tom Servo]

Uh oh, bunt situation. Lamb better protect his other eye.

[Chip R]

Thom should either stop talking about the Cubs or quit and do their games.

[Tom Servo]

Bourgeois with an RBI triple!

3-0 Redlegs

[Banshee]

Frenchy Jr. triple, rbi, 3-0 redlegs! Now stay there.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Classic Bruce. Bases loaded, gets the ball in the air but still manages to hit into a double play.

:p

[WrongVerb]

Nice!

[Tom Servo]

Suarez RBI single

4-0 Redlegs

[Razor Shines]

Nice hit by the Future LFer.

[WrongVerb]

"So is Suarez going to play LF next year?"

[Banshee]

"So is Suarez going to play LF next year?"

Price reaffirms that Cozart is the starting SS next season every time someone asks. Uncle Walt today nixed that though, said they have no plans for him in LF at this time. I bet WJ gets his way.

[Tom Servo]

That Votto is so hot right now, double down the line


But Suarez gunned down at home plate

[WrongVerb]

If there were a league full of Vottos there wouldn't be Cy Young Award winners? WTF was that statement?

[Larkin Fan]

I think he might be safe. Wow.

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"So is Suarez going to play LF next year?"

Now come on dude, you know that the Byrd deal just set that in stone.

[WrongVerb]

Suarez acted like he touched the plate. Replay is very close. No tag was made though.

[Razor Shines]

Has to be still an out right? You can't tell if he touched the plate

[Tom Servo]

I think he might be safe. Wow.

Not sure he touched the plate.

[757690]

If there were a league full of Vottos there wouldn't be Cy Young Award winners? WTF was that statement?

Votto has a career BA above .300 against CY Young winners.

[Larkin Fan]

Price reaffirms that Cozart is the starting SS next season every time someone asks. Uncle Walt today nixed that though, said they have no plans for him in LF at this time. I bet WJ gets his way.

Maybe Walt has plans that deviate from his managers because said manager won't be manager next year?

[WrongVerb]

I think he might be safe. Wow.

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Now come on dude, you know that the Byrd deal just set that in stone.

Good lord I hope not. I'm hoping the Reds pick up a young major league hitter for Chapman, a la Puig or (as part of a larger deal) Yelich or maybe even Pollack.

[757690]

Looks like a good call by the Ump. Called him out right when the tag was made on the second attempt.

[Larkin Fan]

Not sure he touched the plate.

Yeah, you may be right.

[WrongVerb]

Votto has a career BA above .300 against CY Young winners.

I know. Was just pointing out another of Thom's idiotic statements.

[Razor Shines]

The Reds really should start paying Thom if he's gonna have to stay the whole game through all these loooong replays. Mercy.

[Tom Servo]

All of these hits by Arizona so far are bloops and bleeders.

[Tom Servo]

What did Jim Day say about having a three-way at 3 am?

[WrongVerb]

What did Jim Day say about having a three-way at 3 am?

Family board!

[WrongVerb]

Thom hasn't yet dropped any man-love on anyone tonight. Quite surprising. I'm guessing this portends an extended monologue on the greatness of Kyle Schwarber.

[Banshee]

All of these hits by Arizona so far are bloops and bleeders.

Not many hard hit balls against him in either of his starts so far. Kid looks cool as a cucumber on the bump, awesome job against Goldy there.

[Larkin Fan]

What did Jim Day say about having a three-way at 3 am?

Good Gawd.

[Raisor]

Thom hasn't yet dropped any man-love on anyone tonight.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Banshee]

Thom hasn't yet dropped any man-love on anyone tonight. Quite surprising. I'm guessing this portends an extended monologue on the greatness of Kyle Schwarber.

Did you miss the love-fest for Cubs mgr. Maddon on his new strategy of show up 1 hr. before the game and dress/play/no BP/infielding practice? The man must be a genius.

[Razor Shines]

I think Bruce can take this Coal miner dude.

[Raisor]

I think Bruce can take this Coal miner dude.

I was born a coal miner's daughter

[Razor Shines]

I was born a coal miner's daughter

And I'll always love you like a daughter.

[WrongVerb]

Did you miss the love-fest for Cubs mgr. Maddon on his new strategy of show up 1 hr. before the game and dress/play/no BP/infielding practice? The man must be a genius.

Yeah, but even that was kinda muted. Still think we're on the verge of a Schwarb-fest soon.

[Razor Shines]

Hot sandwich, Jay. You're making me look like a doofus.

[WrongVerb]

And I'll always love you like a daughter.

I'll always love him like a coal miner's daughter.

[Tom Servo]

Remember that time Collmenter threw a complete game shutout against the Reds?

[Raisor]

No need to fight over me guys

[WrongVerb]

Wonder if Jim Day has one of those T-shirts, considering how close he and BP are.

[Larkin Fan]

I'm liking this Lamb kid.

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Remember that time Collmenter threw a complete game shutout against the Reds?

Don't remind me.

[Razor Shines]

Remember that time Collmenter threw a complete game shutout against the Reds?

Nope!

[WrongVerb]

I'm liking this Lamb kid.

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Don't remind me.

He's showing what it means when someone says a guy is a pitcher as opposed to a thrower.

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Mo Sanford reference? Yikes!

[Tom Servo]

Lamb man!

[WrongVerb]

No need to fight over me guys

Enough of you to go around, eh?

[klw]

I'll always love him like a coal miner's daughter.
Don't call me daughter.

[Razor Shines]

Enough of you to go around, eh?

Don't be crass.

[BCubb2003]

He's showing what it means when someone says a guy is a pitcher as opposed to a thrower.

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Mo Sanford reference? Yikes!

He should conduct workshops for the other young pitchers.

[WrongVerb]

Don't call me daughter.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88Ry4

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Don't be crass.

It's against my religion to be anything else. :D

[Raisor]

My name is sue. How do you do? Now you are going to die.

[klw]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/A9IA2Oy3temSk/200.gif

[Razor Shines]

My name is sue. How do you do? Now you are going to die.

My goodness, seems to me that's the kind of rage you should take out on your father.

[Banshee]

My name is sue. How do you do? Now you are going to die.

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[Razor Shines]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/A9IA2Oy3temSk/200.gif

My son wants to see that, I've read it's pretty good.

[Tom Servo]

4-1 on an Owings solo HR

[Razor Shines]

9704

Is that from the prequel to Homeland?

[Tom Servo]

That 2-2 on Ahmed looked awfully good.

[50YrRedsFan]

Maybe Walt has plans that deviate from his managers because said manager won't be manager next year?

We can hope.

[Razor Shines]

BHam would have run out and touched the CF wall before he caught that.

[Tom Servo]

Had Inciarte down 0-2 and a breaking ball hangs for a double down the line. Gotta bear down and get Pollock here.

[Razor Shines]

He's kinda all over the place to Pollock here

[Tom Servo]

Crap. Pollock RBI single. 4-2 game. Goldschmidt up.

[757690]

Third time through the lineup. Same issue as his first start.

[Tom Servo]

Third time through the lineup. Same issue as his first start.
Is this the narrative by fans for the Reds year? That's a problem for most pitchers, let alone rookies.

Lamb's issue tonight was too many wasted pitches.

[50YrRedsFan]

I hope this isn't another normal Reds offensive game...score early and die.

[Ironman92]

I still really like Lamb.

Jeff Piecoro gives him a "D"

[klw]

My son wants to see that, I've read it's pretty good.
We all enjoyed it. Fun series too.

[Razor Shines]

I hope this isn't another normal Reds offensive game...score early and die.

Probably: Score Early and Die Hard

[Banshee]

I still really like Lamb.

Jeff Piecoro gives him a "D"

Saw that "score" he gave him after his last outing. I give Pic a great big F, for multiple reasons, on that assessment.

[Ironman92]

I think Suarez was definitely safe at 3rd as I got a good replay on my DVR....play at home you couldn't change but with better cameras I wouldn't be surprised it he touched the edge. Was he being waved on the play at home? I thought he was.

[Tom Servo]

lol Collmenter is doing it again

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Was he being waved on the play at home? I thought he was.
Yes.

[Razor Shines]

Hey Tom, remember when Collmenter no hit the Reds the last 7 innings of that game in August of 2015?

[Ironman92]

Probably: Score Early and Die Hard

John McClane is awesome

[WrongVerb]

I really wish they'd stop reminding me that the Reds gave starts to Mo Sanford.

[Ironman92]

66 mph to 94 mph

Nice range by goofy Bo Duke

[757690]

If John Lamb can strikeout 7 hitters this inning, he'll break the Reds record for most strikeouts for a rookie in his first two starts.

[Banshee]

Lamb just abused Castillo

[Ironman92]

Another 66 mph...this guy can pitch

[Ironman92]

Crappy pitch call by someone...Hill looked lost on 66 and 74....hit 92 mph

[Ironman92]

Last batter for Lamb if I'm in charge of the world

[Ironman92]

Lamb is NOT lucky

[Tom Servo]

ugh

[50YrRedsFan]

Crappy pitch call by someone...Hill looked lost on 66 and 74....hit 92 mph

Everything that goes wrong is Price's fault.;)

[Tom Servo]

So...leaving Lamb in at 110 pitches to face the guy who has owned him seems like a bad idea.

[Ironman92]

Being that we are terrible and Lamb is tired and this batter has hit him twice....it's foolish but I want to see him pitch in this situation and note it for next season.

[Razor Shines]

What garbage.

[Ironman92]

So...leaving Lamb in at 110 pitches to face the guy who has owned him seems like a bad idea.

It terrible if in a pennant race or in playoffs....but I like it

[Tom Servo]

So that was predictable.

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It terrible if in a pennant race or in playoffs....but I like it
It's not so much about winning or losing the game, I just think the idea that it teaches the pitcher a lesson is dumb. The only lesson is that your manager won't take you out of a game when almost any other manager will.

[Razor Shines]

Billy could have run from the dugout and caught that

[50YrRedsFan]

"I think you can go get him now"

[Banshee]

3 dinks/dunks/fisted pitches for hits against Lamb that inning. Still impressed as can be about this kid.

[Ironman92]

Whoever is calling the pitches needs to go

Two batters that inning had no prayer at all and not even close....0-2 to both batters......you throw a high unhurt able fastball and then come back with ol 66 mph and neither stands a chance.

The batters looked ridiculous on those change ups.....set it up and throw another. Terrible by someone.

[Tom Servo]

Gotta figure the stuff will eventually match up with the ERA with Lamb.

[50YrRedsFan]

Mattheus = Current white flag

[BluegrassRedleg]

Oh lord, not this guy.

[Chip R]

God, not Mattheus.

[Ironman92]

So that was predictable.

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It's not so much about winning or losing the game, I just think the idea that it teaches the pitcher a lesson is dumb. The only lesson is that your manager won't take you out of a game when almost any other manager will.

I don't think it teaches the pitcher anything....but I learned that if the right pitches are called he can get out of it....also learned that when he's tired he can't get his fastball in enough for the K and he misses over the plate with it.

I already know what Mattheus can do.

[Banshee]

Super Mattheus!

[Kc61]

So that was predictable.

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It's not so much about winning or losing the game, I just think the idea that it teaches the pitcher a lesson is dumb. The only lesson is that your manager won't take you out of a game when almost any other manager will.

It's not a matter of teaching a lesson. It's that some of these pitchers need to get used to pitching deeper in games.

Early this season, Iglesias hit the wall early. Now he's capable of pitching seven solid innings. Reds pushed him and he can now handle it.

Lamb obviously has trouble going beyond four-five innings and Price is trying to push him. No problem with it.

[Razor Shines]

3 dinks/dunks/fisted pitches for hits against Lamb that inning. Still impressed as can be about this kid.

Family board! I just happened to be teaching my son to read with your post.

[Banshee]

Family board! I just happened to be teaching my son to read with your post.

My goal is to above all else be a teacher for our youth, especially ones on the internet!

[Tom Servo]

It's not a matter of teaching a lesson. It's that some of these pitchers need to get used to pitching deeper in games.

Early this season, Iglesias hit the wall early. Now he's capable of pitching seven solid innings.

Lamb obviously has trouble going beyond four-five innings and Price is trying to push him. No problem with it.
Iglesias has become more efficient. He's thrown less than 100 pitches in each of his last 3 outings where he went 6, 6, and 7 innings. I don't think having him stay in a game with runners on base over 100 pitches is what got him there.

[Rantly]

Once again Thom knows WAY to much about the D-backs...nobody cares Thom

[WVRedsFan]

I'm in Bristol, so I can't watch, but the current situation tonight just proves the point I've said all along. It also proves that Price is here to stay since it apparently doesn't matter what the record is and that is inexcusable. Sorry, but my competitive nature makes this foreign to me.

[50YrRedsFan]

DeJesus with the 1st hit since the 2nd inning.

[Razor Shines]

Just came back in the room. I see there's a lefty specialist, one out with DeJesus on. I assume Bruce hit a homer but was called out for missing home plate. Terrible luck.

[Big Klu]

Just came back in the room. I see there's a lefty specialist, one out with DeJesus on. I assume Bruce hit a homer but was called out for missing home plate. Terrible luck.

A lefty pitcher, but not a lefty specialist (LOOGY). THom and Chris said that he is second in the NL in relief innings pitched.

[50YrRedsFan]

Skip grits and K's to end the 6th.

[Razor Shines]

A lefty pitcher, but not a lefty specialist (LOOGY). THom and Chris said that he is second in the NL in relief innings pitched.

Not really my point, but noted. I'll be sure to make the corrections for future ridiculous joke posts.

[Tom Servo]

Family board! I just happened to be teaching my son to read with your post.
Somebody legitimately once pulled that card, that they had a child with them and was extremely offended when I posted this picture. There were so many things about being mad at me for it that I didn't understand.

http://www.baconsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/whitesox2.jpg

[Banshee]

Oh Gritty Skippy, not so good.

[Razor Shines]

Somebody legitimately once pulled that card, that they had a child with them and was extremely offended when I posted this picture. There were so many things about being mad at me for it that I didn't understand.

http://www.baconsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/whitesox2.jpg

I want to know in what context someone had difficulty with their child seeing that photo.

"Do you understand what that means!?"

"What? No, father."

"Well let me explain it. Some jokester is insinuating that Konerko lays with a lot of women...Biblically. Now let's go to UrbanDictionary so you know why it means that."

[Banshee]

Nice job by Mattheus for a change.

[Ironman92]

No inning belongs to Ryan Mattheus. He's a meaty oker bullpen guy with a tough guy act

[Razor Shines]

Boesch is back.

[Kc61]

Iglesias has become more efficient. He's thrown less than 100 pitches in each of his last 3 outings where he went 6, 6, and 7 innings. I don't think having him stay in a game with runners on base over 100 pitches is what got him there.

Price has uniformly pushed these young pitchers. He obviously believes in starters who can pitch 8 innings or so.

I'm not sure what the problem is. This kid Lamb both times out faded in the middle innings. Give him a chance to pitch out of trouble and get through 6. Nothing to lose really. So Mattheus and Villareal will get slghtly fewer innings.

[Banshee]

Boesch just missed that one.
Total distance: 3"

[WrongVerb]

Price has uniformly pushed these young pitchers. He obviously believes in starters who can pitch 8 innings or so.

I'm not sure what the problem is. This kid Lamb both times out faded in the middle innings. Give him a chance to pitch out of trouble and get through 6. Nothing to lose really. So Mattheus and Villareal will get slghtly fewer innings.

Price wants pitchers who can go 8 innings and still wants 8 guys in the 'pen so he feels safe.

[Ironman92]

Thom sucks

[Ironman92]

Frazier....know sooner lol

[Banshee]

Price wants pitchers who can go 8 innings and still wants 8 guys in the 'pen so he feels safe.

I think this is the disconnect: all the top teams have starting pitchers go 6+ innings, bring in the army of fireballers and bridge the game to the closer. Price seems to think old school in that he's toughening up his pitchers, trying to force them to try and go 120+ pitches to save the pen regardlessly of the quality/restedness of said pen. And it's just one of several reasons that Price won't be managing in MLB for very much longer, even if the reds do decide to let him finish his contract next season.

[Ironman92]

Danger Danger

[Raisor]

I'm in Bristol, so I can't watch, but the current situation tonight just proves the point I've said all along. It also proves that Price is here to stay since it apparently doesn't matter what the record is and that is inexcusable. Sorry, but my competitive nature makes this foreign to me.

Though loyal and able and brave, Pea had never displayed the slightest ability to learn from his experience, though his experience was considerable. Time and again he would walk up on the wrong side of a horse that was known to kick, and then look surprised when he got kicked.
Larry McMurtry, Lonesome Dove

[Rantly]

You had to been saving that quote for just the right time

[Raisor]

You had to been saving that quote for just the right time

I was actually looking for another Lonesome Dove quote, but found that one instead

[Rantly]

Price wants pitchers who can go 8 innings and still wants 8 guys in the 'pen so he feels safe.

Even with the 8 man BP, nobody warming in a one run game?

[WrongVerb]

Absolutely spot on about not using Chapman in this situation.

[WVRedsFan]

Though loyal and able and brave, Pea had never displayed the slightest ability to learn from his experience, though his experience was considerable. Time and again he would walk up on the wrong side of a horse that was known to kick, and then look surprised when he got kicked.
Larry McMurtry, Lonesome DoveImpressive. Know any other quotes? :)

[Razor Shines]

Absolutely spot on about not using Chapman in this situation.

Don't you worry. He's saving Chapman for when the going really gets tough.

[Larkin Fan]

Badenhop is the human white flag.

[Chip R]

Price is the definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[Banshee]

The only man in all of MLB that doesn't believe in L/L matchups, genius!

[Larkin Fan]

The Price is wrong. As usual.

[Chuckie]

#DraftPickEnhancement

[westofyou]

Losing with his worst, shooting for that #1 pick #tankingforchuckie

[WVRedsFan]

Price is the definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.Maybe Phil has a quote for you, too?

:)

[Ironman92]

If Chapman is available...this is Bryan Price's worst managed game ever.

[Ironman92]

Eugenio Suarez can flat out rake.

[Larkin Fan]

If Chapman is available...this is Bryan Price's worst managed game ever.

He's not available because Price is now considering working him out in LF.

[Kc61]

Either Hoover or Chapman is likely not available because Badenhop usually doesn't pitch the 8th inning. The TV guys feel that way too.

Hate to detract from the Price insults, but he may have a short bullpen tonight. I'm sure we'll find out.

PS, Hoover is up throwing, so it's possible Chapman is unavailable for some reason.

[Banshee]

If Chapman is available...this is Bryan Price's worst managed game ever.

And Parra? Maybe the talking heads are right, and it's just Price being secretive/sneaky.

[Big Klu]

Seriously, I have been patient. But what is Price thinking? I'm not even upset with Badenhop there. Price has Hoover, Chapman, and even Parra available in the bullpen, all of whom would have been better options in that scenario. But instead he stays with an obviously laboring Badenhop.

If you aren't even going to try to win (looking at you, Price), then why the hell are we rooting for you?!

[Raisor]

Impressive. Know any other quotes? :)

Grant knew two songs. One was "Dixie". The other wasn't.

[Razor Shines]

Look all you Questioning Quincys...the point is if Reds manage to tie it, Chapman will be available for extra innings.

[Kc61]

Seriously, I have been patient. But what is Price thinking? I'm not even upset with Badenhop there. Price has Hoover, Chapman, and even Parra available in the bullpen, all of whom would have been better options in that scenario. But instead he stays with an obviously laboring Badenhop.

If you aren't even going to try to win (looking at you, Price), then why the hell are we rooting for you?!

What if all those pitchers are not available?

He needs someone for the ninth.

[Raisor]

Price is the definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat,

Jesse the Body Ventura

[WrongVerb]

Look all you Questioning Quincys...the point is if Reds manage to tie it, Chapman will be available for extra innings.

Is that when they start stretching him out to start next year? :D

But seriously, maybe Chapman's been traded. Stranger things have happened.

[Raisor]

Eugenio Suarez can flat out rake.

That's good golfing etiquette

[Ironman92]

WVfan is currently drafting his dissertation on this clusterflobber.

[Razor Shines]

There it is Matt Kemp is the MVP

[Ironman92]

That's good golfing etiquette

Yeah,but then the inconsiderate ass leaves the rake just beyond the bunker before the green completely negating his goodness.

[Big Klu]

Either Hoover or Chapman is likely not available because Badenhop usually doesn't pitch the 8th inning. The TV guys feel that way too.

Hate to detract from the Price insults, but he may have a short bullpen tonight. I'm sure we'll find out.

PS, Hoover is up throwing, so it's possible Chapman is unavailable for some reason.

How can you have a short bullpen when you have eight guys down there?

[Razor Shines]

WVfan is currently drafting his dissertation on this clusterflobber.

Oh no. When are those due?

[WVRedsFan]

WVfan is currently drafting his dissertation on this clusterflobber.For my Doctorate.

[Ironman92]

Bruce's OPS is now below Dee Gordon's

[WrongVerb]

But Jocketty was very specific about one thing Thursday: Todd Frazier is not going to be traded.

"No, I wouldn't trade him," he said. "I think all that talk is coming from the New York media."

[Big Klu]

What if all those pitchers are not available?

He needs someone for the ninth.

Well, what we do know is that the guy who was out there didn't have it tonight, and there was plenty of time to get somebody else ready. But Price chose not to.

[Razor Shines]

Bruce's OPS is now below Dee Gordon's

Go eat a biscuit.

[757690]

Price clearly was trying to teach Badenhop a lesson ;)

[Ironman92]

How can you have a short bullpen when you have eight guys down there?

They are all like Daniel Ray?

[Raisor]

For my Doctorate.

I assume you will specialize in proctology.

[Kc61]

How can you have a short bullpen when you have eight guys down there?

You must not be familiar with the Reds pen, LOL.

[Raisor]

They are all like Daniel Ray?

Ok that was funny.

Not "ha ha" funny exactly, but funny

[Ironman92]

I assume you will specialize in proctology.

While going to school at Pitt

[Raisor]

Bruce's OPS is now below Dee Gordon's

It's not official until I post it in the morning

[Rantly]

Jay hitting .239, and I know BA doesn't matter anymore, but never expected that in the prime of his career.

[Ironman92]

Lol...all 7 pitches out of the strike zone and Bruce strikes out. That's fantastic.

Somehow we are going to win this.

[WVRedsFan]

I assume you will specialize in proctology.History, actually. The history of a failed brain trust

[Ironman92]

Jay hitting .239, and I know BA doesn't matter anymore, but never expected that in the prime of his career.

Maybe .238 now

More concerned with his .762 OPS

[BluegrassRedleg]

Not gonna pile on. Is what it is.

[Raisor]

Jay hitting .239, and I know BA doesn't matter anymore, but never expected that in the prime of his career.

It's been a horrible ten days

[Ironman92]

He tagged him

[WVRedsFan]

While going to school at Pitt

I wouldn't spit on Pitt

[Ironman92]

Nice angle by the ump

[Ironman92]

He gone

[Raisor]

I wouldn't spit on Pitt

William Pitt would do it for you

[Rantly]

Maybe .238 now

More concerned with his .762 OPS

Didn't show the OPS on screen..sorry

[Ironman92]

Didn't show the OPS on screen..sorry

No worries

[Kc61]

Maybe .238 now

More concerned with his .762 OPS

The .238 BA is a big reason why he has a .762 OPS.

[Rantly]

It's been a horrible ten days

a year and 10 days

[Raisor]

I see Chip is reading this thread.

Hi Chip!

[Ironman92]

Lost in all that was a great play at SS

[Ironman92]

I see Chip is reading this thread.

Hi Chip!

CHIP....come play

[WrongVerb]

Jay hitting .239, and I know BA doesn't matter anymore, but never expected that in the prime of his career.

I once said Bruce's career arc would be similar to Geoff Jenkins who used to play for the Brewers. Through their age 28 seasons, Jenkins had an OPS of .865 and OPS+ 122. Bruce has .788 and 111.

Love the guy but he just cannot keep falling off a cliff like he does. He's got to have some kind of baseline performance to his game instead of living off his streaks.

[WVRedsFan]

Bryan loves him some Badenhop

[Chip R]

CHIP....come play

I feel like I'm watching the same game every night. Just the opposing team changes.

[Ironman92]

I once said Bruce's career arc would be similar to Geoff Jenkins who used to play for the Brewers. Through their age 28 seasons, Jenkins had an OPS of .865 and OPS+ 122. Bruce has .788 and 111.

Love the guy but he just cannot keep falling off a cliff like he does. He's got to have some kind of baseline performance to his game instead of living off his streaks.

Gaoay Bruce

[BCubb2003]

Love the guy but he just cannot keep falling off a cliff like he does. He's got to have some kind of baseline performance to his game instead of living off his streaks.

Maybe platoon him. Play him only during his streaks.

[WVRedsFan]

I feel like I'm watching the same game every night. Just the opposing team changes.Thus my frustration.

[Raisor]

a year and 10 days


Sure, if you take out his 806 ops in the first half of this season

[Razor Shines]

Gaoay Bruce

Easy. It's 2015, you can't call people Gaoay anymore

[Kc61]

Thus my frustration.

We've seen some new pitchers.

Time for some new position players. And I don't mean Schumaker and Bourgeois.

[Raisor]

Thus my frustration.


That and the Allman Brothers Band aren't touring anymore

[757690]

Even if Chapman is hurt, there was no reason to stick with Badenhop last inning. Hoover can pitch a 4 out save. He's a former starter. Parra has been reliable, and could have been used in the 9th, if he had to. Lots of decent options for Price, even if Chapman is hurt.

[WVRedsFan]

We've seen some new pitchers.

Time for some new position players. And I don't mean Schumaker and Bourgeois.Agreed. And a new field general

[Ironman92]

The .238 BA is a big reason why he has a .762 OPS.

Jose Bautista batting .236 with an .859 OPS....Alexei Ramirez batting .237 with a .610 OPS

[WrongVerb]

Easy. It's 2015, you can't call people Gaoay anymore

Yeah, it's Homerbaseball now

[Raisor]

Agreed. And a new field general

Wait, when did you turn on Price? Did I miss something?

;)

[Ironman92]

Bruce is nearly double digits behind Jeff Francouer in OPS+

[Kc61]

Jose Bautista batting .236 with an .859 OPS....Alexei Ramirez batting .237 with a .610 OPS

It is possible, yes.

But do you deny that BA is a part of OPS?

Do you deny that hitting percentage is a part of OBP? And OBP is a big part of OPS?

BA may not be the ultimate performance stat. But it remains a highly relevant stat.

[Ironman92]

I'm feeling mathematical ....if I only read 2 of WV's post does that equal a positive post?

[757690]

Very unique bottom of the 9th for the Reds. Three lefty hitters. Three ground ball outs to 3B.

[Ironman92]

It is possible, yes.

But do you deny that BA is a part of OPS?

Do you deny that hitting percentage is a part of OBP? And OBP is a big part of OPS?

BA may not be the ultimate performance stat. But it remains a highly relevant stat.

Pretty big range there man. I don't deny that HBP is part of OB%

[Razor Shines]

Pretty big range there man. I don't deny that HBP is part of OB%

And I thank you for that.

[Kc61]

Pretty big range there man. I don't deny that HBP is part of OB%

If you think that BA and HBP have the same impact on OPS, I'd suggest you look again.

[WrongVerb]

I'm feeling mathematical ....if I only read 2 of WV's post does that equal a positive post?

You could take the square root of one of them and be able to imagine you never read it in the first place.

[HokieRed]

Hate to say it, but I don't see this team being a contender in 2017 without radical reconstruction of the lineup. I've moved to the trade both Bruce and Frazier as well as Chapman camp, and, of course, fire Price.

[Ironman92]

If you think that BA and HBP have the same impact on OPS, I'd suggest you look again.

If you think I think that then I think that you think batting average is awesome.

[RedTeamGo!]

Good thing we didn't trade Bruce in July when he was on fire. He will now finish the season ice cold and weaken his value.

[WVRedsFan]

Let me just say this: I'm not the only one who is negative, Re-read the thread.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds had 2 hits after the 2nd inning. Can't win with that offensive performance.

[Raisor]

The team with the highest batting average in baseball is 5th in runs scored.