8/27/2015 - Reds vs. Dodgers

[cumberlandreds]

The only good thing about todays game is that we get the beating over with early in the day as opposed to the evening. So glad Schumaker is getting all of these starts lately. I was really needing to see him play more in regards to him helping out in 2016.

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[Tom Servo]

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12:35 start

[PuffyPig]

Having Schu playing (and leading off to boot) is disheartening to say the least.

I even rather see Bourgeois leading off, as it increaes the chance of seeing him make some outrageous mistake on the basepaths, followed by that incredulous look on his face.

[Rantly]

Weird lineup
I guess they've reached that "shake the lineup up and see what happens" stage

[cumberlandreds]

This is the MLBTV free game of the day. Will anyone still watch?

[cumberlandreds]

This Titanic struggle is underway. Rollins K's looking.

[cumberlandreds]

Utley K's. Disco is on a roll.

[Tom Servo]

Utley has a lot of gray hair.

[cumberlandreds]

Gonzalez grounds out to Votto to end the Dodger first.

[Tom Servo]

Very nice first for Disco.

[cumberlandreds]

Utley has a lot of gray hair.

Happens when you get old or it falls out or both.

[Tom Servo]

Greinke is 6-0 with a 1.45 ERA in day games :help:

[cumberlandreds]

The Schu K's.

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Frazier lines out to LF.

[PuffyPig]

Greinke is 6-0 with a 1.45 ERA in day games :help:

What is he, 10-0, 1.35 in night games?

[cumberlandreds]

Votto grounds out sharply to the SS. No score after one.

[Tom Servo]

The Schu K's.


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[cumberlandreds]

Greinke is 6-0 with a 1.45 ERA in day games :help:

He has a great year. My fantasy team loves him.

Apparently he's a free agent after this season. I'm guessing the Reds won't be signing him.

[cumberlandreds]

Mad Dog Turner singles into lf to get the 2nd started.

[cumberlandreds]

Another line drive single and the Dodgers are in business in the 2nd.

[BluegrassRedleg]

This is the MLBTV free game of the day. Will anyone still watch?

My device is telling me I'm blacked out. How can you be blacked out from a game that's not on anywhere? Thought that only applied if someone else had it.

[cumberlandreds]

Puig joins in the fun and singles. Bases loaded and the fun is really starting now. Call your friends.

[Tom Servo]

Slow death by singles

[cumberlandreds]

4-6-3 double play. Run scores and its 1-0 Dodgers.

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My device is telling me I'm blacked out. How can you be blacked out from a game that's not on anywhere? Thought that only applied if someone else had it.

In MLB's convoluted TV world you are blacked out in your hometown even if no one else is covering the game.

[Tom Servo]

Gotta be careful with Pederson.

[cumberlandreds]

Joc "Don't call me Jacque" Pederson grounds out to end the inning. Nice job by Disco to get out of that with only one run.

[WrongVerb]

I can't believe the Reds had the bases loaded and nobody out and could only score one run.

Oh, wait, that was the Dodgers? Other teams do that too? :eek:

[cumberlandreds]

Phillips bounces out to third.

[cumberlandreds]

Suarez flies out for the 2nd out.

[cumberlandreds]

Turn your radios off in the 5th inning. The happy lady from Cincinnati.com will be on with Marty, I'll be leaving then.

Bruce gounds out to end the inning.

[cumberlandreds]

Greinke K's.

[cumberlandreds]

With Rollins and Utley who knew there would be a 2008 Phillie reunion in LA this season?

Rollins walks.

[cumberlandreds]

I have always wondered if Chase Utley is related to George Utley?

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The Chase version of the Utley's just got an infield single.

[Tom Servo]

ugh

[WrongVerb]

I wouldn't normally point this out on this family board, but Charlie Steiner just said Chase Utley beat that little squibber to wind up on 1st base.

[cumberlandreds]

Gonzalez K's.

[cumberlandreds]

Mad Dog lines out to Bruce to end the inning. 1-0 Dodgers in the third.

[cumberlandreds]

Booger grounds out to SS.

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Barnhart singles. Let there be joy in Mudville.

[cumberlandreds]

Disco K's trying to bunt. Marty rants.............

[cumberlandreds]

The Schu singles.......Miracles never cease.

[WrongVerb]

The Schu singles.......Miracles never cease.

Blind squirrel finds nut.
Dart hits bullseye.
Dan finds the loving comfort of a woman.

Miracle, indeed

[cumberlandreds]

Frazier K's and leave a pair on the bases. 1-0 Dodgers. Why do I get the feeling the Dodgers do not have to score again to win this game?

[cumberlandreds]

Eithier singles into RF.

[BCubb2003]

Barnhart and Schumaker are doing their part.

[cumberlandreds]

Puig K's. That's five of those for Disco.

[cumberlandreds]

Grandal hits into double play to end the Dodger 4th.

[Tom Servo]

Votto had a 3-2 pitch that he might have been able to drive but only got it out to center for a flyout

[WrongVerb]

Dodgers broadcasters singing the praises of Votto's great eye and outstanding OBP.

I'm confused.

[Tom Servo]

DatDude gets one a little further but with the same result on the first pitch in the at-bat

[WrongVerb]

BTW, you guys know this is the free game of the day streaming on MLB.tv, don't you?

[Tom Servo]

Suarez goes 3-2 for the second time today but K's swinging.

1-0 L.A. thru 4.

[cumberlandreds]

The infomercial has started. So I'm taking a long bathroom break.

[Tom Servo]

Disco punches out Pederson for K #6

Greinke grounds out to short

Rollins fouls out to third

[BluegrassRedleg]

Some woman on with Marty needs a refresher course on the term "literally."

[Tom Servo]

Joc Pederson has a crazy August. Going into today he's batting .122/.413/.293 for the month. That OBP is due to 20 walks in the month so far. He has just 5 hits, 2 of which are HRs and 1 of which was a double. 17 strikeouts.

[cumberlandreds]

Didn't stay long enough. She's still on. Good lord this is crazy.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Joc Pederson has a crazy August. Going into today he's batting .122/.413/.293 for the month. That OBP is due to 20 walks in the month so far. He has just 5 hits, 2 of which are HRs and 1 of which was a double. 17 strikeouts.

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a confused mixture.

[Tom Servo]

Bruce walks(!!!!!!)


and swipes 2nd.

[cumberlandreds]

Bruce walks. No idea how many pitches it took but Marty did that get in .

Someone lit a fire under Bruce and he steals 2nd.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Didn't stay long enough. She's still on. Good lord this is crazy.

:laugh:

[Danny Serafini]

Didn't stay long enough. She's still on. Good lord this is crazy.

I so hate it whenever she's on. You have no chance whatsoever of actually hearing about the game.

[BluegrassRedleg]

She must be hot for Marty to put up with this for this long. She's giving shout-outs to her mom and dad now. :p

[cumberlandreds]

Infomercial is over.

Cincinnati could have been bombed with Turkeys and no one would ever known that.

Booger K's.

[cumberlandreds]

Barnhart singles. Bruce holds at third. Should have went may not get another chance to score today.

[Banshee]

Why attempt the bunt w/ Bruuce on 3rd and one out? If Disco could get lucky and hit a flyball it's a run, if he K's, no big deal.

[cumberlandreds]

Disco K's again trying to get a bunt down.

[cumberlandreds]

Why attempt the bunt w/ Bruuce on 3rd and one out? If Disco could get lucky and hit a flyball it's a run, if he K's, no big deal.

Then Marty couldn't have anything to rant about. You wouldn't want spoil his fun would you?

[cumberlandreds]

And the Mighty Schu has struck out. 1-0 Dodgers after five.

[cumberlandreds]

HBP to start the 6th.

Andy Van Slyke's youngin' pops out for the first out.

[cumberlandreds]

5-4-3 DP. Third DP of the game for the Reds. 1-0 Dodgers in the 6th.

[westofyou]

So was Phillips ticked at Votto? Because the Dodger radio guys are going on about that

[cumberlandreds]

So was Phillips ticked at Votto? Because the Dodger radio guys are going on about that

Marty was too busy with his infomercial to say anything about the game.

[westofyou]

Marty was too busy with his infomercial to say anything about the game.

I switched when she sat down

[cumberlandreds]

Votto walks with one out.

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I switched when she sat down

I sat down too. In another room. :)

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Fly out to Puig who nearly dropped it.

[cumberlandreds]

Suarez K's to end the inning. 1-0 Dodgers after 6.

[Banshee]

Ethier hates the reds and continues to just kill them, 3-3 today.

[cumberlandreds]

Puig hits into a force play.

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4-6-3 double play. Grandal has the market on those. That's three for him today.

[50YrRedsFan]

DeSclafani throwing a nice game.......but the offense hasn't shown up.

[WrongVerb]

Dodgers announcers now complimenting Suarez on his defense? How can that be?

[cumberlandreds]

Bruce grounds out on the first pitch.

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Booger with an infield single.

[cumberlandreds]

Barnhart flies out. Pena to PH for Disco. Nice game from Disco. No support for him though.

[Tom Servo]

Great start by Disco

[BluegrassRedleg]

DeSclafani throwing a nice game.......but the offense hasn't shown up.

What offense? ;)

[androosh]

The Reds better score a run or the bullpen better give up a few more, because a starting pitcher never deserves to lose 1-0 when they pitch 7 innings.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I set the O/U at 5 runs for this series after the Reds plated 12 vs Detroit. Right on the money so far.

[50YrRedsFan]

I remember when Carl Crawford was a good ballplayer...now he's just bench fodder.

[cumberlandreds]

Crawford hit for Greinke. So the Reds have that going for them. But Hoover is about to Hoover.

[Tom Servo]

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[cumberlandreds]

HBP and bases are loaded.

[Tom Servo]

Oh boy, we're going full Hoover.

[Banshee]

I remember when Carl Crawford was a good ballplayer...now he's just bench fodder.

21 million+ $/yr. through 2017 bench fodder, guaranteed.

Danger Hoover has shown back up.

[50YrRedsFan]

Hoover puts his motor into high.....hits Utley, now bases loaded and the Dodgers haven't hit the ball yet.

[757690]

Yeah, let's wait until the bases are loaded before warming somebody up to replace Hoover. It's only a one run game, afterall.

[Banshee]

Wow, 5 DP's, including 3 by Grandal, have kept the reds in this one, 1-0 still after 7.

[cumberlandreds]

5-4-3 double play. Number five of the day. 1-0 Dodgers in the 7th. Time to go. Try to get a run or two RZ.

[Kc61]

Hoover's ability to get that ground ball is his improvement over past years.

[westofyou]

Yeah, let's wait until the bases are loaded before warming somebody up to replace Hoover. It's only a one run game, afterall.

Dodger announcers are perplexed by Price's passive approach

[Kc61]

Yeah, let's wait until the bases are loaded before warming somebody up to replace Hoover. It's only a one run game, afterall.

Relentless.

[Tom Servo]

If the Reds are scoring, gotta be in the 8th. Kenlsey Jansen in the 9th has allowed just 2 hits (both singles) to the Reds and struck out 22 in his career against us.

[50YrRedsFan]

5-4-3 double play. Number five of the day. 1-0 Dodgers in the 7th. Time to go. Try to get a run or two RZ.

5 dp's, has to be near a record.

[Kc61]

5 dp's, has to be near a record.

Record is 7 for one team.

[Tom Servo]

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[BluegrassRedleg]

Remember that Todd Frazier 50 HRs topic? :p

[Banshee]

Yeah, let's wait until the bases are loaded before warming somebody up to replace Hoover. It's only a one run game, afterall.

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[50YrRedsFan]

Skip 3 for 4.....K's that is.

[Tom Servo]

Frazier just misses tying it up. Sigh.

[Kc61]

Didn't Skip get the go ahead hit when the Reds won the other night?

[Tom Servo]

Didn't Skip get the go ahead hit when the Reds won the other night?
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[Kc61]

I don't think Skip can still hit.

But always annoys me when the blame goes to the bench guy.

Some big money guys haven't been exactly lighting things up.

[Tom Servo]

I don't think Skip can still hit.

But always annoys me when the blame goes to the bench guy.

Some big money guys haven't been exactly lighting things up.
Bruce is garbage this month and Frazier has been garbage-ish for the last two. Skippy has been garbage for 2 years.

[50YrRedsFan]

I don't think Skip can still hit.

But always annoys me when the blame goes to the bench guy.

Some big money guys haven't been exactly lighting things up.

The lack of offense has definitely been a team effort.....

[50YrRedsFan]

Chapman in for his once a week performance.

[androosh]

Chapman in for his once a week performance.But it's not a save situation.

THE SKY IS FALLING!

[Tom Servo]

Chappy sitting 'only' at 95-96 so far. And now 94 to walk Turner.


Not looking good.

[Kc61]

Bruce is garbage this month and Frazier has been garbage-ish for the last two. Skippy has been garbage for 2 years.

The notion that Jay Bruce has had a one-month problem shows the exact issue I'm raising. This is a guy whose earned well over $20MM over the last two years, has had a couple of good months altogether, yet his issues are dramatically understated.

Skip Schumaker is a minor player on this team. That he gets so much criticism shows how Reds fans can't let go of their beloved "stars".

[Tom Servo]

Skip Schumaker is a minor player on this team. That he gets so much criticism shows how Reds fans can't let go of these "stars."
I've disagreed with this notion in the past and I still disagree with it. I understand expecting more out of the bigger/better paid stars. I don't understand trying to blunt criticism of guys like Schumaker or Kevin Gregg or Jason Marquis because "he's not the biggest problem". A bad player is a bad player.

[Tom Servo]

The notion that Jay Bruce has had a one-month problem shows the exact issue I'm raising. This is a guy whose earned well over $20MM over the last two years, has had a couple of good months altogether, yet his issues are dramatically understated.

His issues are that he had a miserable 2014, predominantly caused by injury, and was having a very good year until turning into garbage in the month of August. It's pretty simple, and not dramatically understated. He (and Frazier as well) has been very lousy.

[Kc61]

I've disagreed with this notion in the past and I still disagree with it. I understand expecting more out of the bigger/better paid stars. I don't understand trying to blunt criticism of guys like Schumaker or Kevin Gregg or Jason Marquis because "he's not the biggest problem". A bad player is a bad player.

Criticism should be proportionate to expectations and role. Around here I don't think it always is.

[50YrRedsFan]

Getting messy now.

[Tom Servo]

Criticism should be proportionate to expectations and role. Around here I don't think it always is.
Reds fans have been hammering Bruce since 2008. On Redszone it's about split. The gist if what I'm getting from this debate is that you want more 'Bruce sucks' posts.

[757690]

Skip is a decent backup, but he should be the 25th man on the roster. The problem is how often he's used. He should almost never start.

[757690]

Btw, this is why you need to pitch Chapman more often. Rust is just as bad as worn out.

[Kc61]

Reds fans have been hammering Bruce since 2008. On Redszone it's about split. The gist if what I'm getting from this debate is that you want more 'Bruce sucks' posts.

The bashing of Schumaker began on post #3 of this thread. He's a player of no consequence to this team's future. It's easy to pick on him and the criticism doesn't stop.

I find that disproportionate. As for Bruce, he gets much more balanced treatment because fans cannot let go of the big name Reds players who came up through the system.

[50YrRedsFan]

Grandal with a forgetful day.

[Tom Servo]

As for Bruce, he gets much more balanced treatment because fans cannot let go of the big name Reds players who came up through the system.
I don't think this is right as well. Bruce gets much more balanced treatment because some fans can recognize that he has real value despite flaws and others think his flaws define him and wanted to start Brennan Boesch over him three weeks into the season.

I know where you stand on Bruce, you want him gone. I'm okay with trading him, but I don't want him gone just for the sake of turning the page.

[50YrRedsFan]

Chapman escapes a bases loaded, no out jam.

[Tom Servo]

and one last thought:

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[Banshee]

Baseball Reference ‏@baseball_ref 4m4 minutes ago
Greinke is up to 18 starts w/1 or 0 ER. Since 1980, the Rocket has the most in a season w/21

The guy's going to get a big raise from the paltry 25 MM this season, 26 '16, 25 '17, and 25 for '18 he's due w/ the opt out.

[Kc61]

I don't think this is right as well. Bruce gets much more balanced treatment because some fans can recognize that he has real value despite flaws and others think his flaws define him and wanted to start Brennan Boesch over him three weeks into the season.

I know where you stand on Bruce, you want him gone. I'm okay with trading him, but I don't want him gone just for the sake of turning the page.

I'm not sure if it was you, but at least one poster on the Bruce thread said he was having a great year. Sure he gets critiqued but there's analysis, discussion, give and take, the fans give the guy every chance. Letting him go is like pulling teeth.

I just object, and always have, to the constant berating of the guys at the end of the bench. Because indirectly it's blaming the little guy when the real problem is with some of the big guys.

[malcontent]

Is Bruce still chasing excellence?

[Tom Servo]

I'm not sure if it was you, but at least one poster on the Bruce thread said he was having a great year. Sure he gets critiqued but there's analysis, discussion, give and take, the fans give the guy every chance. Letting him go is like pulling teeth.

I just object, and always have, to the constant berating of the guys at the end of the bench. Because indirectly it's blaming the little guy when the real problem is with some of the big guys.I did indeed say he was having a great year. He was. A month later, he's having an okay year for most but a below average year for Bruce. Needs a big September.

Letting go of one of the only offensive producers on a below average offensive team SHOULD be like pulling teeth.

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We're bad again, swept at home by the Dodgers.

[50YrRedsFan]

Ballgame

[Kc61]

I did indeed say he was having a great year. He was. A month later, he's having an okay year for most but a below average year for Bruce. Needs a big September.

Letting go of one of the only offensive producers on a below average offensive team SHOULD be like pulling teeth.

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We're bad again, swept at home by the Dodgers.

Except we're talking about letting go of a hitting star from 2013. It's no longer 2013. And this is not an okay year for a $12MM player.

[dsmith421]

The bashing of Schumaker began on post #3 of this thread. He's a player of no consequence to this team's future. It's easy to pick on him and the criticism doesn't stop.

I find that disproportionate. As for Bruce, he gets much more balanced treatment because fans cannot let go of the big name Reds players who came up through the system.

Bruce is a Red who produced one of the greatest moments in this club's modern history, Schumaker is an obnoxious talentless "gritty" Cardinal reject who has been the baseball equivalent of a White Castle fart in a hot car since coming to Cincinnati, an arrival that coincided with the Reds transforming from contender to this current shambles. Skip can go jump in a lake.

[HokieRed]

I've been as big a Jay Bruce fan as anybody in RZ ever since his drafting, but I can only say now that I look forward to his being traded. There are only two guys on this team I hope to see in the 2017 starting lineup: Votto and Suarez.

[CarolinaRedleg]

The offense serves up a Johnny Cueto special.

[BluegrassRedleg]

May not be completely fair, but Bruce feels like the embodiment of this franchise's issues right now. Should have been dealt in July.

[Tom Servo]

Except we're talking about letting go of a hitting star from 2013. It's no longer 2013.
The trade we know of was Bruce for Wheeler. We are flush with pitching and Wheeler is coming off of Tommy John. If the Mets were offering Michael Conforto straight up or the Blue Jays were offering one of their pitchers who could slide into the rotation in AAA or the big league club right now, sure, I'd have traded Bruce. But I wouldn't have been looking to move him just for the sake of moving him, or the fear that a slump was around the corner.

[Kc61]

The trade we know of was Bruce for Wheeler. We are flush with pitching and Wheeler is coming off of Tommy John. If the Mets were offering Michael Conforto straight up or the Blue Jays were offering one of their pitchers who could slide into the rotation in AAA or the big league club right now, sure, I'd have traded Bruce. But I wouldn't have been looking to move him just for the sake of moving him, or the fear that a slump was around the corner.

The problem with keeping Bruce much longer is $12 plus million. The Reds have a limited payroll. They can't get better without money. They can't sign Int'l prospects without money. There's no point in spending that much money to retain the status quo.

We don't know all the possible trades from the deadline. But, even if Wheeler, even a pitcher has value either as a Red or for future trades. I'm neutral on that deal, but at some point they need to move some expensive veterans.

I've said it was not practical to make three or four major trades at the deadline. I'm not disappointed. But despite Bruce's heralded past as a mainstay of this club, I see him as trade bait now for this reason. His play doesn't warrant tying up that much money given the current state and apparent budget of the ball club.

[Chuckie]

Games like this just assist the Reds' efforts in finding a better version of Jay Bruce within the first 3 picks of the 2016 draft. I hope we go heavy on college OFs through the first few rounds.

[RedTeamGo!]

For those scoring at home, the 3 Reds to get hits today were Skip Schumaker (1), Jason Bougeois (1), and Tucker Barnhart (2).

And that concludes today's game of "How Depressing Can Reds Baseball 2015 Possibly Get?!"

We'll see you tomorrow night for the next edition of this excruciating new game when the Reds face some guy named Jungmann and the Milkwaukee Brewers. Until then, you stay socially awkward, Redszone!

[Chip R]

For those scoring at home, the 3 Reds to get hits today were Skip Schumaker (1), Jason Bougeois (1), and Tucker Barnhart (2).


Isn't that 4?

[RedTeamGo!]

Isn't that 4?

3 Reds got 4 hits