8.28.15 Reds @ Brewers

[klw]

Big playoff implications on the line as two of the NL Central Favorites* battle it out in the waning dog days of summer.

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*Early 2014 edition

[WrongVerb]

Pena batting 2nd? Price knows he's gone, and he's just trolling us now, isn't he?

[Red Raindog]

Big playoff implications on the line as two of the NL Central Favorites* battle it out in the waning dog days of summer.

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*Early 2014 edition

I sense some snark --- :)

[Far East]

Pena batting 2nd? Price knows he's gone, and he's just trolling us now, isn't he?

Showcasing Shumaker didn't work, so now it's time for Pena to attract a contender in need of a PH or DH, (or back-up catcher in Pena's case).

[50YrRedsFan]

Big playoff implications on the line as two of the NL Central Favorites* battle it out in the waning dog days of summer.

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*Early 2014 edition

The Reds can "jump" over the Brewers for 4th place in the division with a win tonight.

[RedlegJake]

Iglesias is starting so I figure the Reds will lead for 4 or 5 innings if they can score 1 run. Then the third time through the lineup comes to roost...

[757690]

Votto would make a great cricket player.

[faffy42]

Least watchable series of the season... and I haven't watched them in the last two weeks. But this series...ugh can't do it.

[WrongVerb]

Votto would make a great cricket player.

He'd have plenty of centuries. I don't know what that means, other than it's apparently a very good thing for a batsman to do.

[Tom Servo]

Votto and Frazier both with two out singles, but they're left there.

[Ironman92]

Alright Suarez....the word is out.....off speed stuff away and hard stuff high. Time to adjust and quit hitting like a Red

[BCubb2003]

He'd have plenty of centuries. I don't know what that means, other than it's apparently a very good thing for a batsman to do.

Votto's not getting paid to protect the wicket.

[klw]

Is Iglesias getting squeezed?

[Tom Servo]

Walks haunt, particularly when they are uncharacteristic. Leadoff walk to Gennett and he scores on a Lucroy double.

[klw]

Votto's not getting paid to protect the wicket.

Reds would lead the cricket world in being run out.

[Tom Servo]

walk, double, walk. Not a good start.

[WrongVerb]

Is Iglesias getting squeezed?

No. His mechanics are all out of whack and he's having a hard time locating. When he does things perfectly, the movement is incredible but the ball isn't starting over the plate so hitters are taking. The pitch to Lucroy was hung, though.

[50YrRedsFan]

Walks haunt, particularly when they are uncharacteristic. Leadoff walk to Gennett and he scores on a Lucroy double.

Now Braun walks....Iglesias not sharp early.

[757690]

Good learning experience for Iglesias ;)

[Tom Servo]

Another single, 2-0 Milwaukee with jut one out.

[WrongVerb]

An aside: on MLB network earlier, they had Pedro talking about some of the fundamentals of pitching, and what it actually means (and what causes it) when a pitcher flies open. Great stuff, from one of the greatest.

[WrongVerb]

If the Reds were to go out and acquire a left fielder next year, I wouldn't mind seeing them make a run at Khris Davis.

[Ironman92]

An aside: on MLB network earlier, they had Pedro talking about some of the fundamentals of pitching, and what it actually means (and what causes it) when a pitcher flies open. Great stuff, from one of the greatest.

I love MLB Network

[Ironman92]

If the Reds were to go out and acquire a left fielder next year, I wouldn't mind seeing them make a run at Khris Davis.

Khrkhris Davis would hit 37 HR playing in GABP

[Tom Servo]

If Boesch is that hurt why not put him on the DL?

[757690]

If Boesch is that hurt why not put him on the DL?

Louisville doesn't have any more pitchers to call up ;)

[WrongVerb]

Khrkhris Davis would hit 37 HR playing in GABP

That's an oddly specific number, but I agree.

[WrongVerb]

What the heck was Lamarre chewing on? Looked like a piece of plastic.

[Tom Servo]

Thom defending himself vis-a-vis sabermetrics.

Ok pal.

[757690]

I would love to see competition between Ryan LaMarre and Neftali Soto on who could post a lower OPS over a full season.

[Ironman92]

That's an oddly specific number, but I agree.

I'm oddly weird and specific with numbers.

[BluegrassRedleg]

And here we go... :p

[Ironman92]

Thom asked the big saber question and concerning batting average....and it didn't make much sense. Lol

[WrongVerb]

OK, Thom...one more time since you didn't get it the first 9308042081-01kswu09q3ijt233--332 times it's been said: WALKS ARE A RESULT OF YOUR APPROACH TO BATTING. YOU LOOK FOR A PITCH TO DRIVE, FOUL OFF STRIKES THAT YOU CAN'T, AND TAKE THE REST. IF YOU DON'T GET A PITCH TO DRIVE, THEN TAKE THE WALK.

[757690]

Thom defending himself vis-a-vis sabermetrics.

Ok pal.

According to Thom there are many kinds of baseball metrics out there... Saber, and, you know, other kinds.

[50YrRedsFan]

If Boesch is that hurt why not put him on the DL?

It's the Reds way.

[BluegrassRedleg]

THOM :laugh:

[757690]

Thom doesn't understand that you can't walk on an 0-1 count.

[Tom Servo]

Raisel is back, and he's pissed. Quick inning with 2 Ks.

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Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who has no idea what the hell Thom is going on about.

[757690]

Thom kinda has a point... that hits are more valuable than walks, but he is too clueless to know how to make it.

[WrongVerb]

Chris had it right: the name of the game is not making outs. If you are at bat, then you can score. If you make 3 outs, then you can no longer score. Getting on base is the only way to not make an out. Thus getting on base 44% of the time is better than getting on base 35% of the time.

Rocket surgery for some people, apparently.

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Raisel is back, and he's pissed. Quick inning with 2 Ks.

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Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who has no idea what the hell Thom is going on about.

At least he's trying. Which is better than what's come before this point.

[Banshee]

Thom kinda has a point... that hits are more valuable than walks, but he is too clueless to know how to make it.

I think he's surrounded and circled it to now get on about hits=more rbis, the platinum standard that I believe he'll now get to.

[BluegrassRedleg]

You didn't just see it, Thom. It's a 2-0 game.

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Thom doesn't understand that you can't walk on an 0-1 count.

That was absolutely priceless.

[Banshee]

tHommy and Price agreeing on ridiculousness of walking Votto... Meanwhile, despite being the best hitter by a mile since the AS break, Votto's not been able to help win very many games. Yup, that strategy is soooo ridiculous.

Both these pinheads need to go for general stupidity.

[Red Raindog]

You didn't just see it, Thom. It's a 2-0 game.

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That was absolutely priceless.

almost wish I had the sound on

[BluegrassRedleg]

tHommy and Price agreeing on ridiculousness of walking Votto... Meanwhile, despite being the best hitter by a mile since the AS break, Votto's not been able to help win very many games. Yup, that strategy is soooo ridiculous.

Both these pinheads need to go for general stupidity.

I do agree that it's kinda stupid if you're a team with a large lead against the Reds and maybe an out or two on the board. Goes against spirit of competition. If I was a pitcher, I'd wanna go after him and see if I can get him out.

[Ironman92]

Hey Chris Welsh....good idea with the experienced pitcher to talk to the young guys during the game. Reds have people who could do that.

A lot of us call him Cowboy

[Crumbley]

I do agree that it's kinda stupid if you're a team with a large lead against the Reds and maybe an out or two on the board. Goes against spirit of competition. If I was a pitcher, I'd wanna go after him and see if I can get him out.

Reds never win. Ever. Hard to knock the strategy.

[WrongVerb]

Is nightlife in Milwaukee that exciting that these guys are just trying to get the game over with or what?

[Tom Servo]

Thom thinks the Brewers mascot is in charge of the retractable roof situation.

[The Operator]

Iggy has settled down quite nicely after the 1st.

5 K's

[The Operator]

6 K's

[757690]

I think he's surrounded and circled it to now get on about hits=more rbis, the platinum standard that I believe he'll now get to.

Sabermetrics admits that hits lead to more runs than walks. Singles are valued at .89 runs each, walks at .69 runs each, when figuring out wOBA. Thom is correct that there is some point where a higher batting average is better than a higher OBP, but the example he used is not that point.

Pretty much every saber fan would admit that a hit driven OBP would lead to more runs than a walk driven OBP. He's fighting windmills.

[Tom Servo]

Jungmann is a weird case of being a top pick who didn't domuch in the minors but looking like a complete pitcher in the majors at least so far. Fangraphs has a pretty good article about it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/jungmann-theres-no-need-to-feel-down/

[The Operator]

BP even had to chuckle on that curveball.

[Ironman92]

I GOTTA ask (Thom voice)...would you rather have the guy who is 35/40 in SB or the guy who is 14/15?

[The Operator]

BP with a single

[Ironman92]

CarGo with his 31st HR and it seems like the last 10 have all been just silly distance no doubters.

[Tom Servo]

BP with a single
and a stolen base

[Ironman92]

Terrible pitch calling to Phillips

[Ironman92]

OMG Pena HOMERED!!!!!















Just kiddin

[Tom Servo]

CarGo with his 31st HR and it seems like the last 10 have all been just silly distance no doubters.
I liked the idea of the Reds buying low on him, too bad the Rockies likely weren't looking to sell low. He's been out of this world the last two months or so.

[Cooper]

When teams aren't hittting they look as if they are going thru the motions --but they sure look like they are going thru the motions.

[Red Raindog]

OMG Pena HOMERED!!!!!















Just kiddin

you could have posted he got an RBI --- about as likely ---

[BCubb2003]

When teams aren't hittting they look as if they are going thru the motions --but they sure look like they are going thru the motions.

They're just not going through the right motions.

[Chuckie]

Love me some Iggy. What a stud.

El Duque with better stuff.

[WrongVerb]

Nice to hear some kind words about writers from my home town of Dayton

[Chuckie]

Nice to hear some kind words about writers from my home town of Dayton

Birthplace of aviation ... and a hell of a lot of good baseball writers.

[Ironman92]

I'm sorry but up 2-0 with no outs in the 6th...it's asinine to walk Votto that easily

[Tom Servo]

Votto swipes 2nd

[klw]

So Frazier has seen the pitcher through 5 straight balls and lets him off the hook by swinging. Did he at least come close to putting it out?

[Tom Servo]

So Frazier has seen the pitcher through 5 straight balls and lets him off the hook by swinging. Did he at least come close to putting it out?
Ehh. It was one to hit, but he just popped it up.

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Votto swipes 2nd
He does not swipe 3rd.

[BluegrassRedleg]

"It's OK. It was only the 2nd out of the inning." -- Dumb Baseball Cliche Guy

[WrongVerb]

Votto TOOTBLANs thinking he's Frazier

[Chuckie]

I love Votto, but that was incredibly stupid.

[Slyder]

what the heck was that trying to steal third? I expect that of almost everyone before Votto. I hope he didn't tweak something on that boneheaded call.

[Ironman92]

No Welsh no....year his ass, that was abysmal. Had that been a young player/non star you wouldn't stop.

[Ironman92]

what the heck was that trying to steal third? I expect that of almost everyone before Votto. I hope he didn't tweak something on that boneheaded call.

After rubbing the back of his upper hamstring area after the SB of 2nd

[Ironman92]

Worst base running superstar ever?

[klw]

No century for Votto as the bowler catches him trying for the extra run before the over was done. Votto run out

[WrongVerb]

I love Votto, but that was incredibly stupid.

I kinda like the idea of Votto running, as long as he's comfortable doing it. If they're going to put him on first, then why not swipe a base or two? Might make them think twice about so easily walking him in the future. Chess, not checkers.

[50YrRedsFan]

what the heck was that trying to steal third? I expect that of almost everyone before Votto. I hope he didn't tweak something on that boneheaded call.

When you're going bad, stuff like this happens. Nothing surprises me anymore with this team.

[klw]

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Night all

[Ironman92]

Remember back in yesteryear that one time the Reds scored a run?

[Tom Servo]

Remember back in yesteryear that one time the Reds scored a run?
no

[BCubb2003]

Lucroy's illegal stepping out is maddening but it's not helping him much.

[Tom Servo]

What Welsh described about Iglesias' arm slot is what I think the big flaw (besides walking everyone and his brother) currently for Michael Lorenzen is, there's no deception. He's got a big fastball, but hitters know when he is throwing it.

[Chuckie]

Who dat, who dat? I-G-G-Y!

[Tom Servo]

Iglesias doesn't strike out either of the last two batters, slacker.

[Ironman92]

What Welsh described about Iglesias' arm slot is what I think the big flaw (besides walking everyone and his brother) currently for Michael Lorenzen is, there's no deception. He's got a big fastball, but MLB hitters know when he is throwing it.

FIFY

[Chuckie]

"Shake it off" Jay.

"Hatas gonna hate" Jay.

"Playas gonna play" Jay.

[Ironman92]

Thom hates Washington as much as he loves the Dbacks

[Kc61]

I kinda like the idea of Votto running, as long as he's comfortable doing it. If they're going to put him on first, then why not swipe a base or two? Might make them think twice about so easily walking him in the future. Chess, not checkers.

Chess would be acquiring several good hitters to support Votto.

[Ironman92]

"Shake it off" Jay.

"Hatas gonna hate" Jay.

"Playas gonna play" Jay.

I like your "style"

[Red Raindog]

Remember back in yesteryear that one time the Reds scored a run?

what decade was it? just a clue please ---

[The Operator]

Lamarre GIDP.

At least we get to see another inning of Iglesias.

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Thom hates Washington as much as he loves the DbacksThom hates the government. Therefore the Nats are guilty by association since they play in DC.

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God I hope Joey is OK. His body language is awful.

[Ironman92]

what decade was it? just a clue please ---

The 80's....but won't say which century

[Tom Servo]

Something is wrong with Votto.

just kill me bruh.

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Domingo Santana HR. 3-0 Brewers.

[The Operator]

Well, that sucked. 3-0 Brewers.

Shake it off, Iggy.

[50YrRedsFan]

I have seen enough of the LaMarre experiment.

[Chuckie]

Welp.

And why is Ryan LaMarre even on the team? I'd rather see pretty much anyone but him.

[The Operator]

Something is wrong with Votto.

just kill me bruh.
I'd be just fine with a "Don't run... ever!" rule when it comes to Votto.


I don't ever want to relive 2014's nonsense.

[Ironman92]

Joey has enough PA's to win the OB% and OPS titles.

[WrongVerb]

Domingo Santana. Damn I was really hoping the Reds would swing a trade with HOU and pick him up. Ah, well.

[Ironman92]

Santana is a big ol dude

[Chuckie]

Well, that sucked. 3-0 Brewers.

Shake it off, Iggy.

The fakers gonna fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.

Shake it off!

[Ironman92]

This game is leaving a blank space with me.....or maybe it's just bad blood

[WrongVerb]

Iggy getting tired.

[Ironman92]

Iggy getting tired.

I think he's fine...giving credit to Santana

[Chuckie]

If Votto is hurt, I don't want to see ANYONE blaming Kremchek. That includes you, Servo.

Joey trying to steal third there was ... uh ... maybe the dumbest thing I've seen on a baseball field since Moscot when he got hurt.

[Tom Servo]

Jesse Winker has 2 doubles and a walk tonight, btw.

[Chuckie]

Another great outing from Iggy. 10 Ks.

[Tom Servo]

7 innings, 96 pitches for Iglesias, could be it. Nice start.

[Chuckie]

Jesse Winker has 2 doubles and a walk tonight, btw.

This = qualifies as the best news of the evening. Other than the fact I've got a bottle of Jameson.

[Crumbley]

This game is leaving a blank space with me.....or maybe it's just bad blood

Used to be mad love.

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[Ironman92]

I [emoji173]️ Raisel

[WrongVerb]

I think he's fine...giving credit to Santana

I wasn't just looking at that. Mowed through the middle innings. Started to give up solid contact in the 6th. After the home run, was starting to have issues with his mechanics again and gave up solid contact to Shafer. I don't think he couldn't go one more inning, but he's definitely starting to feel fatigue.

[50YrRedsFan]

The Reds aren't scoring with Votto in the lineup. Might as well give him some time off.

[WrongVerb]

This = qualifies as the best news of the evening. Other than the fact I've got a bottle of Jameson.

Margaritas to share with the little woman, and a Cohiba all to myself tonight.

[Chuckie]

The Reds aren't scoring with Votto in the lineup. Might as well give him some time off.

Not even going to mention this would help our quest in getting the best draft pick possible. (Whoops.)

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Margaritas to share with the little woman, and a Cohiba all to myself tonight.

Prediction: You'll have more fun with the "little woman" than we're having watching the Reds tonight.

;)

[Ironman92]

I wasn't just looking at that. Mowed through the middle innings. Started to give up solid contact in the 6th. After the home run, was starting to have issues with his mechanics again and gave up solid contact to Shafer. I don't think he couldn't go one more inning, but he's definitely starting to feel fatigue.

Yeah definitely but Bruce had to come in 10 steps to catch that ball. He wasn't as sharp in the 6th and 7th but I could pee myself in jubilation of not watching Villareal and Mattheus pitch the 5th-7th innings

[Ironman92]

Will Smith in to pitch for the Brewers but my mom and dad don't understand why...

[Tom Servo]

*checks to see if Kc61 is around

http://i.imgur.com/QilpO5g.png?1

[WrongVerb]

Not even going to mention this would help our quest in getting the best draft pick possible. (Whoops.)

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Prediction: You'll have more fun with the "little woman" than we're having watching the Reds tonight.

;)

Your prediction will most likely be correct :D :beerme:

[Ironman92]

Brandon trying to hit one over the slide like that one time

[The Operator]

7 innings, 96 pitches for Iglesias, could be it. Nice start.And 10 K's

He gonna be goooood.

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Will Smith in to pitch for the Brewers but my mom and dad don't understand why...Reds should send Carlton Banks up to hit against him.

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/4/3/12/anigif_enhanced-buzz-25229-1365006558-21.gif

[WrongVerb]

"Schumaker is a GOOOOOOOOD player.."

No, really, he's not. You just like him a lot.

[Ironman92]

If Votto hits an inside the park HR this next plate appearance I'll give the first person to thank this post $100

[Crumbley]

Is Thom heavily medicated tonight? Dude has been so strange all night. The anecdote about being surprised that there are baseball writers who come from a town 45 minutes from a MLB city was beyond weird.

[Ironman92]

Are they still talking about Skip? Excuse me while I go stab a kitten.

[Banshee]

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[Tom Servo]

Is Thom heavily medicated tonight? Dude has been so strange all night. The anecdote about being surprised that there are baseball writers who come from a town 45 minutes from a MLB city was beyond weird.
I'm still laughing about the thing about the Brewers mascot controlling the retractable roof.

[The Operator]

Votto comes to bat representing the tying run.

[Ironman92]

Go ahead Chris....yell at Phillips for getting a big lead off .....like you do frenchy

[WrongVerb]

If Votto hits an inside the park HR this next plate appearance I'll give the first person to thank this post $100

Thanks!

(does this work pre-emptively)

[50YrRedsFan]

Schumaker K's. Gotta swing at the close ones.

[The Operator]

"How in THE WORLD can you walk Brayan Pena in that situation?"

At least other team's players occasionally feel Thom's wrath.

[Tom Servo]

GIDP. He looks pained.


just kill me bruh

[Ironman92]

If Votto hits an inside the park HR this next plate appearance I'll give the first person to thank this post $100

You guys all suck

[BCubb2003]

Should have walked.

[Ironman92]

Thanks!

(does this work pre-emptively)

No because I had to use my dictionary

[Kc61]

*checks to see if Kc61 is around

http://i.imgur.com/QilpO5g.png?1

It's ok. Free speech.

[Kc61]

Phils and Marlins won tonight.

[WrongVerb]

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Best. Ever.

[Banshee]

John Fay ‏@johnfayman 8m8 minutes ago
Iglesias: 7 ip, 4 hits, 3 runs, 2 walks, 10 strikeouts. 4 ERs in his last three starts, zero wins.


ZERO WINS..?!! "Losing effort" as a certain HOF announcer would say.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Best news of the day...

Los Angeles Dodgers @Dodgers
OFFICIAL: It'll be a very pleasant 2016. Vin Scully to return for his 67th season. pic.twitter.com/i2WrutItRO

[WrongVerb]

No because I had to use my dictionary

#dammitsomuch

[WrongVerb]

John Fay ‏@johnfayman 8m8 minutes ago
Iglesias: 7 ip, 4 hits, 3 runs, 2 walks, 10 strikeouts. 4 ERs in his last three starts, zero wins.


ZERO WINS..?!! "Losing effort" as a certain HOF announcer would say.

This could start to get into his head as he might begin to think he's got to be perfect every night or he's going to lose.

[50YrRedsFan]

Trivia question: When did the Reds last score a run?

[Banshee]

MLB ‏@MLB 3m3 minutes ago
The @Braves call on OF Jonny Gomes from the 'pen, @Yankees promptly homer

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[WrongVerb]

I'm out.

[50YrRedsFan]

I'm out.

So are the Reds

[The Operator]

LeCure with the Le-K.

[Kc61]

Cmon the Reds are just a couple of players away.

Babe Ruth and Sandy Koufax.

[757690]

If LeCure can be the LeCure of old next season, that would be a big help.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds cementing their spot in the standings.

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Cmon the Reds are just a couple of players away.

Babe Ruth and Sandy Koufax.

Better add Cobb and Gehrig.

[Ironman92]

Leake with no hits allowed thru 3 against Cards but likely won't get through the 4th unscathed

[Powder River]

This team is really bad....

[50YrRedsFan]

Leake with no hits allowed thru 3 against Cards but likely won't get through the 4th unscathed

Leake has pitched better than Cueto since being traded.

[Ironman92]

Votto had 2 AB, made 3 outs and raised his OB%

[50YrRedsFan]

Bruce's average now down to .229.

[50YrRedsFan]

over

[HokieRed]

Bruce's average now down to .229.

We may have to continue to pay some of his salary to move him.

[WVRedsFan]

what decade was it? just a clue please ---
2013. You know. The era of the base cloggers

[Gallen5862]