2015 Bengals Season Part 3

[puca]

Yes. The Bengals lost because of their fans.

Where did you get this theory, the comment section of a USA Today article?


You are swinging at windmills. Please point out where I said that the fans were responsible for the loss. The game was toxic from the onset. Players from both sides were way over the line. The fans throwing things certainly didn't help matters. As to who instigated that madness, it's hard to say. But all I've seen from Bengals fans on here is pointing the fingers at everyone and anyone while insisting the Bengals were innocent victims of some grand conspiracy.

Today was a good example of a hard fought football game. I saw no baiting from either side. I saw little of the extra curricular crap that permeated the game last week. Both teams wanted to win, neither team went out of the way to endanger the health of their opponents. As one Broncos fan I can tell you, I don't view the Steelers as evil incarnate. I hate them and root against them pretty much every week, but mostly because they always pose problems for us. Yes, I think they are a nasty football team, but there was no evidence of that today. Stuff happened in the week 15 Broncos-Steelers matchup that I wasn't happy about. Thing is stuff happens in pretty much every game that I'm not happy with - that goes along with the bias of being a fan.

I can also tell you there are two players in football I totally do not respect because I think their main goal is to maim: Ndamukong Suh and Vontaze Burfict. The NFL would be better off without them. My opinion wouldn't change even if they payed for the Broncos. It wouldn't cause me to turn in my fan card, but I certainly wouldn't be defending their actions in any way.

And yes, I agree that my Broncos have little chance against New England. But if they lose, I hope the team and their fans do it with a modicum of class.

[puca]

Which they did. Flags were thrown, fines levied, suspensions made, and game was lost. Some Bengals fans even spent time in jail. We all got to watch games this weekend instead of the Bengals being one of the participants. We are saving the virgin sacrifice for preseason though.

The Steelers were fined and got to play today. Where's their culpability?

One of the teams had to advance. But I agree, perhaps neither deserved to after that game.

[puca]

I guess it was lucky for the Broncos that Burfict put both Bell and Brown out for the season. With either of them, I'm not sure the Broncos come out on top.

[traderumor]

You are swinging at windmills. Please point out where I said that the fans were responsible for the loss. The game was toxic from the onset. Players from both sides were way over the line. The fans throwing things certainly didn't help matters. As to who instigated that madness, it's hard to say. But all I've seen from Bengals fans on here is pointing the fingers at everyone and anyone while insisting the Bengals were innocent victims of some grand conspiracy.

Today was a good example of a hard fought football game. I saw no baiting from either side. I saw little of the extra curricular crap that permeated the game last week. Both teams wanted to win, neither team went out of the way to endanger the health of their opponents. As one Broncos fan I can tell you, I don't view the Steelers as evil incarnate. I hate them and root against them pretty much every week, but mostly because they always pose problems for us. Yes, I think they are a nasty football team, but there was no evidence of that today. Stuff happened in the week 15 Broncos-Steelers matchup that I wasn't happy about. Thing is stuff happens in pretty much every game that I'm not happy with - that goes along with the bias of being a fan.

I can also tell you there are two players in football I totally do not respect because I think their main goal is to maim: Ndamukong Suh and Vontaze Burfict. The NFL would be better off without them. My opinion wouldn't change even if they payed for the Broncos. It wouldn't cause me to turn in my fan card, but I certainly wouldn't be defending their actions in any way.

And yes, I agree that my Broncos have little chance against New England. But if they lose, I hope the team and their fans do it with a modicum of class.

This is sanctimonious. If you have been following this discussion since the game last week and came away with "innocent victims" as the general tenor of the outrage, it would not matter what I say thereafter.

[dubc47834]

This is sanctimonious. If you have been following this discussion since the game last week and came away with "innocent victims" as the general tenor of the outrage, it would not matter what I say thereafter.

Bengals fans are playing the victim card alright.

[puca]

This is sanctimonious. If you have been following this discussion since the game last week and came away with "innocent victims" as the general tenor of the outrage, it would not matter what I say thereafter.

I skimmed the discussion of last week. I certainly came away a 'victims of a league-wide conspiracy whose players were justified in their actions because of the villainous opponent' vibe. I'll admit the 'innocent' part was hyperbole, but sanctimonious? Please.

[SteelSD]

I skimmed the discussion of last week. I certainly came away a 'victims of a league-wide conspiracy whose players were justified in their actions because of the villainous opponent' vibe. I'll admit the 'innocent' part was hyperbole, but sanctimonious? Please.

I'm expecting someone to accuse you of working for the NFL.

And whatever you do, don't go to the bathroom. OH MY GOD. ;)

[traderumor]

I skimmed the discussion of last week. I certainly came away a 'victims of a league-wide conspiracy whose players were justified in their actions because of the villainous opponent' vibe. I'll admit the 'innocent' part was hyperbole, but sanctimonious? Please.Perhaps you should read closer before pointing your own fingers?

[puca]

I'm expecting someone to accuse you of working for the NFL.

And whatever you do, don't go to the bathroom. OH MY GOD. ;)

Actually I'm NFL puppet master, but don't tell anyone. If the Broncos win next week though, I'm afraid my cover will be blown.

[puca]

Perhaps you should read closer before pointing your own fingers?

I didn't have to get any farther than this nugget.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?110497-Cincinnati-Bengals-Pittsburgh-Steelers-2016-Playoff-Thread&p=3407384&viewfull=1#post3407384

[traderumor]

You guys are right. Some of us kooky Bengals fans think that the NFL would engage in unfair practices and that maybe they preferred that Cincy did not play New England. Its as if they've had domestic violence and other coverups by their CEO, bounty hunting teams, murderers and rapist players, coaches who blatantly cheat in games and then are given shush fines. Where do these kooky fans dream these things up? The Bungles and their fans deserve each other.

But don't stop believin' hold onto that feeling.

[traderumor]

I didn't have to get any farther than this nugget.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?110497-Cincinnati-Bengals-Pittsburgh-Steelers-2016-Playoff-Thread&p=3407384&viewfull=1#post3407384

Yep, I think there is a chance that game's outcome was predetermined. At best, the officiating and representatives did not hide their bias. Conspiracy? More like "do all you can to make it happen." But things like that are impossible, I know, crazy huh?

[traderumor]

dup post

[puca]

You guys are right. Some of us kooky Bengals fans think that the NFL would engage in unfair practices and that maybe they preferred that Cincy did not play New England. Its as if they've had domestic violence and other coverups by their CEO, bounty hunting teams, murderers and rapist players, coaches who blatantly cheat in games and then are given shush fines. Where do these kooky fans dream these things up? The Bungles and their fans deserve each other.

But don't stop believin' hold onto that feeling.

I think the last thing the NFL wants is the Patriots in the Super Bowl again.

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Yep, I think there is a chance that game's outcome was predetermined. At best, the officiating and representatives did not hide their bias. Conspiracy? More like "do all you can to make it happen." But things like that are impossible, I know, crazy huh?

And the defense rests.

[Fil3232]

Bengals fans are playing the victim card alright.

I keep hoping you're actually going to do this:


I'm just gonna bow out now!!!

[traderumor]

I think the last thing the NFL wants is the Patriots in the Super Bowl again.

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And the defense rests.
The NFL loves the Patriots. Guaranteed good ratings from fans and haters. Lots of publicity for the league.

Look, if I had not been able to predict that the Steelers would bait the Bengals and steal the game, I might not be so skeptical about the legitimacy of that contest, and I honestly understand why I am being mocked. If it were a matter of real consequence, I might care, but its just professional sports, so I take my opinion for what its worth.

[Dom Heffner]

Bengals fans are playing the victim card alright.

Baiting!

[puca]

The NFL loves the Patriots. Guaranteed good ratings from fans and haters. Lots of publicity for the league.

Look, if I had not been able to predict that the Steelers would bait the Bengals and steal the game, I might not be so skeptical about the legitimacy of that contest, and I honestly understand why I am being mocked. If it were a matter of real consequence, I might care, but its just professional sports, so I take my opinion for what its worth.

If you're convinced it's rigged why emotionally invest in a team you believe will never be allowed to win?

[Redsfaithful]

And the defense rests.

Man, you've actually gotten me to hope the Patriots win next week. Enjoy your blowout loss.

The funny thing is the Broncos are perennially one of the dirtiest teams in the NFL just like the Steelers. The Bengals just don't see it as often since we don't play every year.

[dubc47834]

Baiting!

Naaaahhhhh...just replying to another poster

[RedTeamGo!]

If the league is rigged why did the panthers just beat the Seahawks and Cardinals beat the Packers?

Both of those outcomes are bad for ratings.

[puca]

Man, you've actually gotten me to hope the Patriots win next week. Enjoy your blowout loss.

The funny thing is the Broncos are perennially one of the dirtiest teams in the NFL just like the Steelers. The Bengals just don't see it as often since we don't play every year.

I'm simply crushed that you will be rooting for the Patriots. I'm sure it will make a big difference in the game. No fear, I will enjoy the game no matter what happens. My life is not defined by whether the Broncos win or lose. I will not blame the officials, the broadcasting crew or the NFL even if I disagree with some of the calls. I will not cry bias, nor will I accuse the Patriots of cheating.

I do find it curious that two of the dirtiest teams in all of football played such an incident free game. It was probably all a ruse to make the Bengals look bad. I'm sure both teams, the officiating crew, the broadcasters and the NFL were all in on it. Personally I'd rather play the Steelers 100 times than any team that employs a loose cannon like Burfict. I'm sorry to break it to you, but that man is a disease.

[puca]

If the league is rigged why did the panthers just beat the Seahawks and Cardinals beat the Packers?

Both of those outcomes are bad for ratings.

Cam Newton...duh!

As for the Cardinals, I have no idea. You'd think they would have rigged the coin flip in the Packers favor. Someone must have screwed up. Surely Packers/Panthers would have been a more tantalizing media friendly game.

I must say I'm really happy they didn't decide that a Steelers/Patriots would be more compelling match up than the Patriots/Broncos.

[Redsfaithful]

I do find it curious that two of the dirtiest teams in all of football played such an incident free game. It was probably all a ruse to make the Bengals look bad. I'm sure both teams, the officiating crew, the broadcasters and the NFL were all in on it. Personally I'd rather play the Steelers 100 times than any team that employs a loose cannon like Burfict. I'm sorry to break it to you, but that man is a disease.

yes, yes the Steelers and Broncos are both very clean teams that play incident free games https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWs4xPUUEAAiRZf.mp4

Nobody in this thread's life is defined by a football game, so that's a non sequitur. And a stupid argument people make whenever they want to position themselves above the fray. Hooray dude, you won internet points because you think you care less about football than other people posting. Please post some more in the Cincinnati Bengals season thread on a Cincinnati message board about your Broncos and how clean the Steelers are and how Burfict is a monster.

I'm glad you'll enjoy the game even if the Broncos get blown out - even if that is one of the more bizarre things I've ever read.

The amount of trolling in these Bengals threads has been absolutely ridiculous.

[Redsfaithful]

If the league is rigged why did the panthers just beat the Seahawks and Cardinals beat the Packers?

Both of those outcomes are bad for ratings.

The league doesn't have to be rigged for officials to give the benefit of the doubt to certain players and teams. I think it is more likely than not that happens because it's human nature. It's like certain pitchers having bigger strikezones in baseball.

[RiverRat13]

yes, yes the Steelers and Broncos are both very clean teams that play incident free games https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWs4xPUUEAAiRZf.mp4

Nobody in this thread's life is defined by a football game, so that's a non sequitur. And a stupid argument people make whenever they want to position themselves above the fray. Hooray dude, you won internet points because you think you care less about football than other people posting. Please post some more in the Cincinnati Bengals season thread on a Cincinnati message board about your Broncos and how clean the Steelers are and how Burfict is a monster.

I'm glad you'll enjoy the game even if the Broncos get blown out - even if that is one of the more bizarre things I've ever read.

The amount of trolling in these Bengals threads has been absolutely ridiculous.

What's even more curious is that the Bengals and Broncos just played a few weeks ago without any problems whatsoever. Then the Steelers Cody Wallace had perhaps the dirtiest hit of the season on one of his team's players, yet he feels it necessary to lecture Bengal fans on this thread.

Weird.

[RiverRat13]

Supposedly Lapham thinks Iloka is gone. That surprises me as I thought he would be one they would use all that cap space on. I'm guessing that means they make Marvin Jones a priority.

[puca]

What's even more curious is that the Bengals and Broncos just played a few weeks ago without any problems whatsoever. Then the Steelers Cody Wallace had perhaps the dirtiest hit of the season on one of his team's players, yet he feels it necessary to lecture Bengal fans on this thread.

Weird.

Certainly no fan of Wallace. He's a dirty player. Never said otherwise. Burfict is a habitual offender. The NFL agrees.

[Redsfaithful]

Hey look it's Martavis Bryant shoving Wade Phillips (I think, they didn't really go into it on the broadcast, weird) down on the Broncos sideline.

https://vine.co/v/iOF7LaHPxiF

Such a clean game it was.

[puca]

yes, yes the Steelers and Broncos are both very clean teams that play incident free games https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWs4xPUUEAAiRZf.mp4

Nobody in this thread's life is defined by a football game, so that's a non sequitur. And a stupid argument people make whenever they want to position themselves above the fray. Hooray dude, you won internet points because you think you care less about football than other people posting. Please post some more in the Cincinnati Bengals season thread on a Cincinnati message board about your Broncos and how clean the Steelers are and how Burfict is a monster.

I'm glad you'll enjoy the game even if the Broncos get blown out - even if that is one of the more bizarre things I've ever read.

I care deeply about football and the Broncos, I'm not ashamed about that. If the Patriots blow out the Broncos next week, well so be it. There is nothing I can do to change the outcome. All I can do is sit down, pop a couple beers and watch the game.

I never said the Broncos or the Steelers are clean. I'd never say any team was clean. It's football. I do think the Steelers are dirtier than the Broncos, but I'm willing to admit that I'm biased. Outside of Burfict, I have little problem with the Bengals. Burfict plays to maim. I have a problem with that.



The amount of trolling in these Bengals threads has been absolutely ridiculous.

It was never my intention to troll, and I don't think I have. I only wanted to point out that there were two teams to blame for what went on in that wildcard game. From my point of view neither side has a high horse to ride on. It was beyond shameful for both teams.

[puca]

Hey look it's Martavis Bryant shoving Wade Phillips (I think, they didn't really go into it on the broadcast, weird) down on the Broncos sideline.

https://vine.co/v/iOF7LaHPxiF

Such a clean game it was.

And yet it never became a farce.

[Redsfaithful]

And yet it never became a farce.

Yes, the two games were completely equal in all aspects and the Steelers and Broncos have higher moral character so it was a nice clean game, unlike the game with the heathen Bengals thank you for your super intelligent insights they are helpful

[puca]

Yes, the two games were completely equal in all aspects and the Steelers and Broncos have higher moral character so it was a nice clean game, unlike the game with the heathen Bengals thank you for your super intelligent insights they are helpful

Not what I believe, not what I said. Never have I said the Bengals are solely or even primarily to blame for what happened. The 'us against the world' approach has worked well for other organizations, but it can also spin dangerously out of control.

Anyway, I'm obviously unwelcome in this discussion. The fact that I don't buy that the Bengals are/were discriminated against intentionally or otherwise appears to be a nonstarter. Good luck storming the castle.

[dubc47834]

Its kinda weird how everyone in these threads are trolls...except Bengal fans...hmmmmm

[Dom Heffner]

Its kinda weird how everyone in these threads are trolls...except Bengal fans...hmmmmm

I felt that way at one point when I was critical of the Bengals I know what you are feeling.

But you're discounting an entire portion of a football game. You can't do that. You can't say it doesn't count. And that's what you are doing if you don't see the point we are making.

For me, I don't think a fix was on I just think the referees did a crappy job. I can see where, year after, the crappy job seems to favor one team over the other...

As for the Bengals fans, they ae good fans unless they are provoked. That;s everyone on the planet.

You come in pulling hair, hitting questionably, you're going to get push back.

That Bryant TD was not a TD. Joey Porter should have been flagged.

Those are things that you don't "overcome." Because if you take that position, what I'm going to throw back at you would be well could they have overcome 3 bad TD calls?

How many can you take?

This game has become impossible to officiate, mainly, because it seems like nobody knows the rules. And it's frustrating when you come out on the short end of the stick, especially when one team instigates the crap and you get penalized for hitting back.

Bengals fans don't hate JJ Watt. They aren't sore losers about losing to him and the Texans. This has nothing to do with being a sore loser.

What is frustrating is that the Steelers put everyone in this position by the crap they pull, then their (and your) response is get over it, man up, it was a week ago, wow you are mad...

Letting it go is the worst thing to do because it just encourages the behavior: We can walk over the Bengals because in a week nobody will care.

So for me, I'm not letting it go. And I hope that yesterday the Steelers learned a lesson and got a dose of their own medicine while they couldn't beat the awful Broncos because they were short handed. They can know how it feels.

As a product, they put out Hines Ward, Joey Porter, James Harrison...year after year they do it on purpose. It's their style. When they do it, the narrative is hard and tough. When the Bengals push back against that, it;s dirty.

If you aren't a fan, you aren't going to see it. You haven't lived it. You have zero clue. I mean, you are lost. And it's okay, because I would be lost with the Colts rivalries. I still think like Mel Kiper, Jr does that the Colts suck year after year because of their front office. They've been better than I giver them credit for. Because I don't follow them.

You don't follow the Bengals. When you said Hines Ward wasn't dirty...I mean that may be the most naive statement in the thread (other than going to the bathroom).

I had a guy at my office come up and talk to me about the game and I just had to stop him. If you don't follow these two teams' history of playing each other, you have no idea.

[dubc47834]

I felt that way at one point when I was critical of the Bengals I know what you are feeling.

But you're discounting an entire portion of a football game. You can't do that. You can't say it doesn't count. And that's what you are doing if you don't see the point we are making.

For me, I don't think a fix was on I just think the referees did a crappy job. I can see where, year after, the crappy job seems to favor one team over the other...

As for the Bengals fans, they ae good fans unless they are provoked. That;s everyone on the planet.

You come in pulling hair, hitting questionably, you're going to get push back.

That Bryant TD was not a TD. Joey Porter should have been flagged.

Those are things that you don't "overcome." Because if you take that position, what I'm going to throw back at you would be well could they have overcome 3 bad TD calls?

How many can you take?

This game has become impossible to officiate, mainly, because it seems like nobody knows the rules. And it's frustrating when you come out on the short end of the stick, especially when one team instigates the crap and you get penalized for hitting back.

Bengals fans don't hate JJ Watt. They aren't sore losers about losing to him and the Texans. This has nothing to do with being a sore loser.

What is frustrating is that the Steelers put everyone in this position by the crap they pull, then their (and your) response is get over it, man up, it was a week ago, wow you are mad...

Letting it go is the worst thing to do because it just encourages the behavior: We can walk over the Bengals because in a week nobody will care.

So for me, I'm not letting it go. And I hope that yesterday the Steelers learned a lesson and got a dose of their own medicine while they couldn't beat the awful Broncos because they were short handed. They can know how it feels.

As a product, they put out Hines Ward, Joey Porter, James Harrison...year after year they do it on purpose. It's their style. When they do it, the narrative is hard and tough. When the Bengals push back against that, it;s dirty.

If you aren't a fan, you aren't going to see it. You haven't lived it. You have zero clue. I mean, you are lost. And it's okay, because I would be lost with the Colts rivalries. I still think like Mel Kiper, Jr does that the Colts suck year after year because of their front office. They've been better than I giver them credit for. Because I don't follow them.

You don't follow the Bengals. When you said Hines Ward wasn't dirty...I mean that may be the most naive statement in the thread (other than going to the bathroom).

I had a guy at my office come up and talk to me about the game and I just had to stop him. If you don't follow these two teams' history of playing each other, you have no idea.

All good, let's stop with the bickering back and forth...:beerme:

[traderumor]

If you're convinced it's rigged why emotionally invest in a team you believe will never be allowed to win?I have already gone on record that I'm not sure that I will continue to follow the NFL after that game. But of course, you assume that I have a lot of emotional investment in my team. With the Bengals, I have a modest emotional committment. I try to be balanced in my life and not let my rooting interests be my top priority. I watch them if the opportunity presents itself. So, if your theory involves "emotional fan homerism," your presumption should be adjusted.

BTW, you are somewhat putting words in my mouth with "it's rigged." All I have said is that I am skeptical about that game. Now, I have made some snide remarks about it extending to setting up who New England plays, but that is more being ornery than having a strong belief there.

[Assembly Hall]

Who dey!!!!!!!!!

[Dom Heffner]

Who dey!!!!!!!!!

You are my favorite. I need to keep you on speed dial when I'm feeling down.

[wolfboy]

Not what I believe, not what I said. Never have I said the Bengals are solely or even primarily to blame for what happened. The 'us against the world' approach has worked well for other organizations, but it can also spin dangerously out of control.

Anyway, I'm obviously unwelcome in this discussion. The fact that I don't buy that the Bengals are/were discriminated against intentionally or otherwise appears to be a nonstarter. Good luck storming the castle.

Guess we'll just have to carry on our Bengals discussion without the benefit of another objective non-Bengals fan.

[dubc47834]

Guess we'll just have to carry on our Bengals discussion without the benefit of another objective non-Bengals fan.

Not exactly sure what you're looking for in this thread. Every time someone with a different opinion comes in, you start with this stuff. I understand the issue you had with me in the other thread, I didn't get off to a good start, but most everyone else you just throw post after post like this their way like poor us...I don't get it man!!!

[Kingspoint]

I disagree with you here. Jackson's positives are that he is solid when it comes to evaluating talent.... he coaches to their strengths, and puts players in a position to play their best. And while he's known as a "player's coach", one coach stated "He's no push-over, but a pusher". He's tough and he won't take any **** from any of the players. That's something I haven't seen in the last few previous Brown HCs.

But we'll see. I think he was one of the better candidates available of what is out there. But he definitely his his work cut out for him. How he handles the Manziel "situation" will be very telling.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25448981/new-browns-coach-hue-jackson-will-evaluate-johnny-manziel-go-from-there



It shouldn't be a problem at all! LOL

I think he is an extremely poor evaluator of talent. I think he fails to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of players. I think the best thing he has going for him is his stubborness, which will help in putting a protective shield between Haslem, the font office and the coaches/players. The Coaches and players will have a chance finally to do their job without interference from management/ownership, something non-existent since Haslem became the Owner.

I am glad Hue Jackson is gone from the Bengals. Thought he did a poor job his two years as OC. Bengals' Offense will be better next year under Zampese.

[Kingspoint]

If you're convinced it's rigged why emotionally invest in a team you believe will never be allowed to win?

Elections have been rigged since the country began, but I still participate in the process.

[traderumor]

Not exactly sure what you're looking for in this thread. Every time someone with a different opinion comes in, you start with this stuff. I understand the issue you had with me in the other thread, I didn't get off to a good start, but most everyone else you just throw post after post like this their way like poor us...I don't get it man!!!

Substance in the opposing arguments perhaps? The Bengals fans bring multiple examples, the non-Bengals fans bring "its about the fumble, stupid" or "the Bungles bungling" and "quit whining." That is not a differing opinion, it is mocking. The non-Bengals fans have done nothing but mock.

[dubc47834]

Substance in the opposing arguments perhaps? The Bengals fans bring multiple examples, the non-Bengals fans bring "its about the fumble, stupid" or "the Bungles bungling" and "quit whining." That is not a differing opinion, it is mocking. The non-Bengals fans have done nothing but mock.

Man, some have brought valid points, some have mocked. Just dismissing the opposing view will not get anyone to understand your views.

[Redsfaithful]

I really don't know why non-Bengals fans are still posting, but whatever.

Ludwig put out there that the Browns want AJ and are offering a third round pick: https://twitter.com/ChickLudwig/status/688390986976899072?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

I would not do that. I don't know what I would do, maybe a 2+3, but definitely not a third only.

[westofyou]

From a Joe Poz tweet

When opposing teams are shooting free throws in Cleveland, they show a photo of Ben Roethlisberger on the video board.

That is all.

[RiverRat13]

I really don't know why non-Bengals fans are still posting, but whatever.

Ludwig put out there that the Browns want AJ and are offering a third round pick: https://twitter.com/ChickLudwig/status/688390986976899072?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

I would not do that. I don't know what I would do, maybe a 2+3, but definitely not a third only.

Not that I have an official tally, but my anecdotal observation from reading the Chickster for a couple of decades is that he is wrong much more often than he is right.

[Kingspoint]

Kevin Coyle (who failed miserably as DC for the Dolphins) is back as the Secondary Coach. I'm so-so on that hire. Just have to see what happens. Joseph was better.

Bill Lazor is in as QB Coach. Love this hiring (as long as he never gets promoted to OC). He was obsessed with throwing the ball in Miami even though he was warned repeatedly that to continue to do so would cost him his job. He was excellent as Chip Kelly's QB Coach before getting the job in Miami. He'll add to Dalton's growth and will also help the growth of McCarron, who needs to stay in Cincinnati thoughout the length of his contract.

[dubc47834]

I really don't know why non-Bengals fans are still posting, but whatever.

Ludwig put out there that the Browns want AJ and are offering a third round pick: https://twitter.com/ChickLudwig/status/688390986976899072?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

I would not do that. I don't know what I would do, maybe a 2+3, but definitely not a third only.

LOL...the internet bully!!! Yes sir, ima stop postin in ur thread boss!!!

[Kingspoint]

Yes sir, ima stop postin in ur thread boss!!!

On MLK Day? Seriously? Eric Davis is ashamed.

[WrongVerb]

I really don't know why non-Bengals fans are still posting, but whatever.

Ludwig put out there that the Browns want AJ and are offering a third round pick: https://twitter.com/ChickLudwig/status/688390986976899072?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

I would not do that. I don't know what I would do, maybe a 2+3, but definitely not a third only.

A 2+3 seems reasonable. They get to keep their first rounder (which they'll mess up) and they can trade back up into the third round.

[Boss-Hog]

LOL...the internet bully!!! Yes sir, ima stop postin in ur thread boss!!!

If you have something constructive to add to the Bengals discussions, then by all means, feel free to do so. Otherwise, if you do not, please refrain from continuing to participate in Bengals threads.

[Redhook]

Ludwig put out there that the Browns want AJ. I don't know what I would do, maybe a 2+3, but definitely not a third only.

Just curious, what do you think Dalton is worth?

Personally, I'd need a very handsome return for AJ. A 2+3 would probably be enough. I wonder if the Bengals will explore it.

[Redsfaithful]

Just curious, what do you think Dalton is worth?

Personally, I'd need a very handsome return for AJ. A 2+3 would probably be enough. I wonder if the Bengals will explore it.

Honestly not sure, decent starting QBs move so rarely.

[Boss-Hog]

I doubt the Browns would give up a very high second and third round pick for McCarron, but that's about what it'd take for me to trade a security blanket at the most important position.

[RedTeamGo!]

A 2+3 for AJ seems pretty steep, but it's a qb, so that is probably about right.

I would on to my picks if I were the Browns. AJ seems OK, but it's not like he is an established veteran.

[Bob Sheed]

Trading McCarron to the Browns would haunt the Bengals and the AFC North for a decade.

Alternatively, we could trade McCarron to the Patriots and watch him take the reigns from Tom Brady. Then we still get to keep Chokin' Andy too, so win-win.

[KoryMac5]

I would think the Browns would take there time on evaluating QB prospects in this years draft before making offers on AJ. Especially since many with the Browns were not there last month.

[Dom Heffner]

Trading McCarron to the Browns would haunt the Bengals and the AFC North for a decade.

Alternatively, we could trade McCarron to the Patriots and watch him take the reigns from Tom Brady. Then we still get to keep Chokin' Andy too, so win-win.

Your assumption is he succeeds. I didn't see anything special- I'd pull a Matt Cassell and trade him to the highest bidder, AFC Central or not.

[Sea Ray]

Not exactly what I was getting at. I think Bengals fans should consider that perhaps the Bengals (and their fans) were as equally culpable as the Steelers in the debacle that was last week's game. I'm a Bronco's fan, and I can vouch that there is no love loss between us and the Steelers, yet never has any game come close to disintegrating to the level of last week.

You don't have the history we do with the Steelers. If they rip up Peyton's knee, break the jaw of your MLB and punter then get back with us

[Dom Heffner]

You don't have the history we do with the Steelers. If they rip up Peyton's knee, break the jaw of your MLB and punter then get back with us

We play them twice a year. There's some history there.

[WrongVerb]

Your assumption is he succeeds. I didn't see anything special- I'd pull a Matt Cassell and trade him to the highest bidder, AFC Central or not.

I agree. I think AJ is along the lines of a Nick Foles. Not great. Not terrible. Definitely worth exploring on the trade market. Can always pick up a capable backup in free agency or draft another, or even consider Wenning.

[gonelong]

http://newsok.com/article/2043883
Gary, who was later whistled for a late hit on Schonert, said at the time that he wasn't trying to hurt Anderson. "He turned toward me and I grabbed him around the neck. Unfortunately, my hand slipped and got his facemask," Gary said.

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The Steelers attempted to decapitate a man on live TV and then brush it off. IMO this was 2nd only to Theisman's broken leg as the closest I came to hurling while watching football. This was horrifying to witness. His hand slipped. Look at that photo and let that sink in. His. Hand. Slipped. MVP level quarterback out for 4 games, 15 yard penalty.

Manziel understands ...
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Somehow this stuff just doesn't stick to the Steelers when it should follow them around with an undeniable stench.

GL

[dubc47834]

On MLK Day? Seriously? Eric Davis is ashamed.

Way to take it there, that wasnt the intent!!!

[WVRed]

I doubt the Browns would give up a very high second and third round pick for McCarron, but that's about what it'd take for me to trade a security blanket at the most important position.

But if I'm the Bengals, do I trade a QB within the division who could come back to haunt them?

It's one thing if we can control where he goes, but I would be sending him outside the division.

[Hoosier Red]

We play them twice a year. There's some history there.

I think Sea Ray and you are on the same side here.

[Dom Heffner]

I think Sea Ray and you are on the same side here.

Absolutely. I'm a harsh critic of the organization, but they did not deserve that terribly officiated game.

I'll be mad about it until I'm 90.

[Kingspoint]

Way to take it there, that wasnt the intent!!!

You can't color it differently after the fact. Blackface has not been OK for decades. While more than half the Europeans don't understand this as their ignorance runs deep (see the Spanish Olympic basketball team from six years ago, the current state of how Jews are treated, and public hate crimes that happen on a daily basis), the United States left public acceptance of racial stereotypes behind in the 60's when names like "Chinese Cherry" and it's associated image was replaced with "Choo-Choo Cherry".

While Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are buffoons, idiots, an embarrassment to their ethnic groups, while setting race relations back 50 years every time they open their mouths, accountability and respect goes both ways. Their poor behaviors do not justify others to lower theirs to an unacceptable level.

[wolfboy]

Absolutely. I'm a harsh critic of the organization, but they did not deserve that terribly officiated game.

I'll be mad about it until I'm 90.

I'll be mad at 190. You hear that Tomlin? I'm sticking around to poltergeist your great, great, great grand kids.

[dubc47834]

You can't color it differently after the fact. Blackface has not been OK for decades. While more than half the Europeans don't understand this as their ignorance runs deep (see the Spanish Olympic basketball team from six years ago, the current state of how Jews are treated, and public hate crimes that happen on a daily basis), the United States left public acceptance of racial stereotypes behind in the 60's when names like "Chinese Cherry" and it's associated image was replaced with "Choo-Choo Cherry".

While Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are buffoons, idiots, an embarrassment to their ethnic groups, while setting race relations back 50 years every time they open their mouths, accountability and respect goes both ways. Their poor behaviors do not justify others to lower theirs to an unacceptable level.

Like I said, that's not where I was going with that. I live in a biracial family and biracial children, so for you to take it there shows me a little about you. Post what you want, I won't see it. You will be the 2nd person on my ignore list...HAVE A GOOD DAY!!!! :beerme:

[WrongVerb]

Can we close this and start a Bengals off season thread? Maybe everyone can take a deep breath and use that as a fresh start.

[Dom Heffner]

Like I said, that's not where I was going with that. I live in a biracial family and biracial children, so for you to take it there shows me a little about you. Post what you want, I won't see it. You will be the 2nd person on my ignore list...HAVE A GOOD DAY!!!! :beerme:

I think he's just saying don't disrespect folks by using the caricature of a slave talking.

My best friend in the world was African American, it wouldn't excuse me if I did something similar.

[WVRed]

Can we close this and start a Bengals off season thread? Maybe everyone can take a deep breath and use that as a fresh start.

I think we reached 1,000 posts a long time ago.