Bengals-Steelers 2016 Playoff Thread Part 2

[kaldaniels]

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[dubc47834]

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Nice...I needed more entertainment today! THANKS!!!

:beerme:

[kaldaniels]

From the outside looking in on this. In years past the Steelers have had a rep as being dirty with James Harrison, and to a lesser extent Hines Ward. Although Ward wasn't necessarily thought of as dirty, but pushing the boundaries of clean/dirty.

Unreal.

Before you respond, realize you can be both within the rules AND extremely dirty.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2009/11/04/dirty

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/24/hines-ward-has-no-plans-to-comply-with-the-rule-named-for-him/


In the offseason, the league outlawed Ward’s trademark maneuver, which often occurs away from the play.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2009/03/24/NFL-approves-Hines-Ward-rule/stories/200903240116

But in short...yes. He was thought of as dirty. Please stop the fact-spinning.

[wolfboy]

Posted this in the other thread, but it probably belongs here - more classless behavior by the "thug" Bengals: https://vine.co/v/ihl7uPF2vWP. Bear in mind, the Steelers thought Burfict celebrated when their running back was injured.

[Redhook]

Hines Ward was extremely dirty. Second dirtiest player I've ever seen (Suh #1). There's actually a Rule named after Hines Ward. I detest Hines Ward. I wish Burfict was around when he played so he could've ended Ward's career earlier. Ward should be in jail for the crap he did on the field.

[wolfboy]

Oh and to whoever said Bengals fans just hate Brown because he's a great athlete, well maybe there's something to that... http://cdn.nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/yyy.gif

[Bob Sheed]

Or the Bengals could be just a little more introspective about the thing and ask themselves, "since this thing clearly hasn't worked for like 25 years, what could we do differently than what we're doing that might result in winning a playoff game or two?"

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what was set in motion.

If the Steelers come in dirty to PBS next season, and the refs pull the same no-call bias, what do you speculate will happen?

I'll save you the smart-alec response and tell you again:

Dirty will be repaid dirty dirty.

Good. It's about time too, because you're right. 25 years is quite enough of the present narrative.

[dubc47834]

Unreal.

Before you respond, realize you can be both within the rules AND extremely dirty.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2009/11/04/dirty

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/24/hines-ward-has-no-plans-to-comply-with-the-rule-named-for-him/



http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2009/03/24/NFL-approves-Hines-Ward-rule/stories/200903240116

But in short...yes. He was thought of as dirty. Please stop the fact-spinning.

This is completely true. That's why rules are made and adjusted, just like you stated. Im not trying to say Ward is a choir boy. Just stating what I have noticed people saying about Ward from the outside looking in. I get it, Bengals fans have a different view on this as the Steelers are a rival and seen Ward on the field 2 sometimes 3 times a year.

[WrongVerb]

I posted this in the other thread:

It's weird how a day after concussion protocol Antonio Brown is being declared good to go for the Denver game (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/10/Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-s-shoulder-is-sore-after-sack-by-Bengals-Burfict/stories/201601100231):


Also, All-Pro receiver Antonio Brown, who was put in concussion protocol after a hit to the helmet by Burfict following an incomplete pass, is said to be fine and should be able to play against the Broncos.

This after supposedly being knocked cold by Burfict. Pacman says AB was acting. Guess we'll never know.

[wolfboy]

Ward being dirty isn't some fantasy narrative created by jaded Bengals fans: http://www.si.com/nfl/2009/11/04/dirty

[Dom Heffner]

Hines Ward was extremely dirty. Second dirtiest player I've ever seen (Suh #1). There's actually a Rule named after Hines Ward. I detest Hines Ward. I wish Burfict was around when he played so he could've ended Ward's career earlier. Ward should be in jail for the crap he did on the field.

But no, let's put him in a Batman movie and on NBC because he has a nice shiny head and a perfect smile.

Whoever said Hines Ward isn't dirty forgets that he was voted most dirty by the players.

[Bob Sheed]

I posted this in the other thread:

It's weird how a day after concussion protocol Antonio Brown is being declared good to go for the Denver game (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/10/Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-s-shoulder-is-sore-after-sack-by-Bengals-Burfict/stories/201601100231):



This after supposedly being knocked cold by Burfict. Pacman says AB was acting. Guess we'll never know.

If he is cleared to play on Saturday we'll know.

[Dom Heffner]

I posted this in the other thread:

It's weird how a day after concussion protocol Antonio Brown is being declared good to go for the Denver game (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/10/Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-s-shoulder-is-sore-after-sack-by-Bengals-Burfict/stories/201601100231):



This after supposedly being knocked cold by Burfict. Pacman says AB was acting. Guess we'll never know.

Now the story will be how courageous he is and he'll replay "Whatever it takes to help the team win..."

[Redhook]

This is completely true. That's why rules are made and adjusted, just like you stated. Im not trying to say Ward is a choir boy. Just stating what I have noticed people saying about Ward from the outside looking in. I get it, Bengals fans have a different view on this as the Steelers are a rival and seen Ward on the field 2 sometimes 3 times a year.

You clearly didn't watch the Steelers Vs. Bengals games when Ward played. His entire goal was to cheap shot someone and knock them out of the game. If they went to the hospital, he did his job better.

[kaldaniels]

This is completely true. That's why rules are made and adjusted, just like you stated. Im not trying to say Ward is a choir boy. Just stating what I have noticed people saying about Ward from the outside looking in. I get it, Bengals fans have a different view on this as the Steelers are a rival and seen Ward on the field 2 sometimes 3 times a year.

No sir. You said something to the effect of Ward was not thought of as dirty.

False.

/Pretend I have a pic of Dwight Schrute here.

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh and to whoever said Bengals fans just hate Brown because he's a great athlete, well maybe there's something to that... http://cdn.nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/yyy.gif

I didn't say that. I asked why he is hated.

[wolfboy]

I posted this in the other thread:

It's weird how a day after concussion protocol Antonio Brown is being declared good to go for the Denver game (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/10/Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-s-shoulder-is-sore-after-sack-by-Bengals-Burfict/stories/201601100231):



This after supposedly being almost killed by Burfict. Pacman says AB was acting. Guess we'll never know.

FTFY to be consistent with the anti-Burfict narrative.

[Dom Heffner]

This is completely true. That's why rules are made and adjusted, just like you stated. Im not trying to say Ward is a choir boy. Just stating what I have noticed people saying about Ward from the outside looking in. I get it, Bengals fans have a different view on this as the Steelers are a rival and seen Ward on the field 2 sometimes 3 times a year.

This statement shows you absolutely 100% do not get it.

And not getting that will not allow you to see Saturday night's game in a any kind of light that is relatable to Bengal fans.

If you don't see Hines Ward as one of the dirtiest players to ever step foot on a football field, then you don't get it. And I can see where you are coming from now. Explains everything.

We aren't imagining this because we played him for years.

[wolfboy]

I didn't say that. I asked why he is hated.

Sorry, it was tongue in cheek. I have no problem with Brown. He's an incredible talent.

[Dom Heffner]

You guys all got on me because I did not want this matchup- and this is precisely why.

Not because we aren't better. But because we know how they play, we know the league reacts to it, and this is the result.

The Broncos were complaining about them. Everyone complains. This isn't some sort of league secret.

[wolfboy]

You guys all got on me because I did not want this matchup- and this is precisely why.

Not because we aren't better. But because we know how they play, we know the league reacts to it, and this is the result.

The Broncos were complaining about them. Everyone complains. This isn't some sort of league secret.

I didn't post anything about it but I felt the same way. I knew somebody would end up getting hurt in a battle of showmanship on who could be the dirtiest. I hope Gio is okay.

[dubc47834]

No sir. You said something to the effect of Ward was not thought of as dirty.

False.

/Pretend I have a pic of Dwight Schrute here.

HOLY COW!!! Trying to have a decent debate and give you a point you're making, and you just twist what Im saying by throwing the "You said something to the effect of Ward was not thought of as dirty." I said he's no choir boy...JHFC!!!

[WrongVerb]

Now there's a meme going around that Burfict intentionally kneed Ben's shoulder when he tackled him, and that is what caused the injury. Here's a vine of it. (https://vine.co/v/iMuO9BaxgQT)

Personally I think that's highly doubtful because those shoulder pads (even the small ones QBs wear) are designed to take a lot more force than can be generated by a knee like that. I'd venture to guess Burfict was trying to strip the ball away and using that to jar the ball loose.

[The Operator]

Ward being dirty isn't some fantasy narrative created by jaded Bengals fans: http://www.si.com/nfl/2009/11/04/dirty

This is my favorite part:

Ward, 33, has a long history of physical play. Last October, he was fined $15,000 for hits in back-to-back weeks that weren't penalized during the game. Later that month, Ward broke the jaw of Bengals rookie linebacker Keith Rivers with a surprise downfield block. The hit, which ended Rivers' season, did not draw a flag. "That's what he's known for," Bengals safety Chinedum Ndukwe said. "He's a blind-side guy."

The league fines Steelers players after the fact to make it look like they give a crap but yet season after season, no flags ever get thrown. Hmmm, maybe there's something to that?

[The Operator]

Now there's a meme going around that Burfict intentionally kneed Ben's shoulder when he tackled him, and that is what caused the injury. Here's a vine of it. (https://vine.co/v/iMuO9BaxgQT)

Personally I think that's highly doubtful because those shoulder pads (even the small ones QBs wear) are designed to take a lot more force than can be generated by a knee like that. I'd venture to guess Burfict was trying to strip the ball away and using that to jar the ball loose.Frankly at this point I don't care even if he was.

Steelers don't like their QB getting hurt? Gee, that must really suck - especially in the playoffs of all times!

[wolfboy]

Now there's a meme going around that Burfict intentionally kneed Ben's shoulder when he tackled him, and that is what caused the injury. Here's a vine of it. (https://vine.co/v/iMuO9BaxgQT)

Personally I think that's highly doubtful because those shoulder pads (even the small ones QBs wear) are designed to take a lot more force than can be generated by a knee like that. I'd venture to guess Burfict was trying to strip the ball away and using that to jar the ball loose.

He was fighting for the ball. If they'd shown the entire video sequence, you'd see that Ben temporarily loses control of the ball and Burfict scrambled to strip the ball. But, you know, if Burfict engages in an action, it must be to: (i) make a baby cry; (ii) kill a puppy; or (iii) injure a Steeler.

[dubc47834]

He was fighting for the ball. If they'd shown the entire video sequence, you'd see that Ben temporarily loses control of the ball and Burfict scrambled to strip the ball. But, you know, if Burfict engages in an action, it must be to: (i) make a baby cry; (ii) kill a puppy; or (iii) injure a Steeler.

It's a conspiracy to hold down the Bengals and keep them irrelevant. Damn the national media and all who disagree...:cool:

[WrongVerb]

For those who don't remember, the squeaky clean Joey Porter got into it in the offseason one year with Levi Jones: (http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2804097)


Miami Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter was
accused of punching Cincinnati Bengals offensive lineman Levi Jones
after police said the players exchanged trash talk at a casino
blackjack table.

Porter was issued a summons on a misdemeanor battery charge
after the Sunday altercation that began inside the Palms
hotel-casino, Las Vegas police Officer Martin Wright said.

"They went outside. In the valet area, one struck the other,
causing a small laceration above the eye," Wright said Monday,
calling the injury minor.

[RedTeamGo!]

He was fighting for the ball. If they'd shown the entire video sequence, you'd see that Ben temporarily loses control of the ball and Burfict scrambled to strip the ball. But, you know, if Burfict engages in an action, it must be to: (i) make a baby cry; (ii) kill a puppy; or (iii) injure a Steeler.

He was trying to strip the ball with his knee?

Huh, I thought that was what hands are for.

Must be a national conspiracy theory against the Bengals.

[Dom Heffner]

It's a conspiracy to hold down the Bengals and keep them irrelevant. Damn the national media and all who disagree...:cool:

You're actually pretty irrelevant to the discussion now.

Anyone who didn't realize Hines Ward was dirty has no business here.

It would be like talking to Jews about persecution and not realizing there was a Hitler.

Probably wouldn't take you too seriously once that was on the table.

[Bob Sheed]

It's a conspiracy to hold down the Bengals and keep them irrelevant. Damn the national media and all who disagree...:cool:

Its not a conspiracy that ESPN only shows Yankees and Red Sox news during baseball season, but it isn't equal representation of the other teams either.

The Steelers have a brand. Marvin Lewis has done everything he can to emulate that brand. But he can't match the Steelers fan base numbers any more than the Reds can match the Yankees fan base numbers.

So you get unmistakable bias against the Bengals.

I say the Bengals have the right idea here. Let them build a different brand. One that says, if you call an unfair game in favor of the dirty Steelers, then the Bengals will make sure the body count is in their favor, if not the final score.

And now that we see that Brown was faking it. Burfict's real mistake may have been that he didn't hit him hard enough. Any contact at all is going to draw the flag there. because, you know, hard nosed lunchpail Steeler narrative and all that. So I guess 55 should have removed the need for Brown to pretend like he was concussed.

[Dom Heffner]

Originally Posted by jojo View Post
This is the most despicable post ever on Redszone

Actually, I found the one where SteelSD pretended to go to the bathroom to be the worst. "Oh gosh, what did I come back to, look at my fortune, how did this happen? Can you tell me?"

Honestly, that one was just atrocious.

[RedTeamGo!]

You're actually pretty irrelevant to the discussion now.

Anyone who didn't realize Hines Ward was dirty has no business here.

It would be like talking to Jews about persecution and not realizing there was a Hitler.

Probably wouldn't take you too seriously once that was on the table.

Holocaust/Hitler reference in a football thread

/thread

[wolfboy]

He was trying to strip the ball with his knee?

Huh, I thought that was what hands are for.

Must be a national conspiracy theory against the Bengals.

Just stop. Watch the play from another angle. The notion that he was kneeing Roethlisberger's shoulder rests on the proposition that Burfict somehow knew Ben's shoulder was separated - and that's just preposterous. He grabbed the ball from Ben, pulled it backwards (at which point both knees went forward) and popped up with the ball. Watch it again with the proper perspective. Or don't. Add it to your Burfict hate arsenal. I honestly don't care.

Edit: and for what it's worth, I'm not saying there's any conspiracy. What I am saying is don't jump to conclusions based on a highly edited vine video. Remember the video where a Steelers player was purportedly going for Burfict's knees? Turns out that was utter b.s. I think a tried and true rule comes into play here: just because you (think you) saw it on the internet doesn't mean it's true.

[dubc47834]

You're actually pretty irrelevant to the discussion now.

Anyone who didn't realize Hines Ward was dirty has no business here.

It would be like talking to Jews about persecution and not realizing there was a Hitler.

Probably wouldn't take you too seriously once that was on the table.

Show me where I posted that Ward was a clean player. You can't, what you do is twist my words that I stated Ward was viewed as a guy who pushed the limits. Either way, you have proven that you can't have a debate about something you are so clearly biased toward. You are so clearly smarter than me, I am not worthy to debate in this thread....neither is anyone who has a different viewpoint than yourself...deuces...I'm out...:mooner:

[dubc47834]

The Bungals had a meltdown of epic proportions. THEY LOST!!!!

[The Operator]

Show me where I posted that Ward was a clean player. You can't, what you do is twist my words that I stated Ward was viewed as a guy who pushed the limits. Either way, you have proven that you can't have a debate about something you are so clearly biased toward. You are so clearly smarter than me, I am not worthy to debate in this thread....neither is anyone who has a different viewpoint than yourself...deuces...I'm out...:mooner:Fine, let's address the term "pushed the limits".

If you think "push the limits" is all Hines Ward did, you clearly didn't see him play very much. All you're going on is what those ex athlete commentators who you trust so much tell you.

[Bob Sheed]

Show me where I posted that Ward was a clean player. You can't, what you do is twist my words that I stated Ward was viewed as a guy who pushed the limits. Either way, you have proven that you can't have a debate about something you are so clearly biased toward. You are so clearly smarter than me, I am not worthy to debate in this thread....neither is anyone who has a different viewpoint than yourself...deuces...I'm out...:mooner:

That's all that Burfict was doing then. you know...pushing the limits.

And now we see the real problem is that Burfict obvious didn't "push the limits" hard enough. Because it looks like Brown should get an academy award before suiting up next weekend.

[The Operator]

The Bungals had a meltdown of epic proportions. THEY LOST!!!!I'll give you an A for effort... you at least tried between your first post and this one to mask the fact that you're trolling.

[jojo]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what was set in motion.

If the Steelers come in dirty to PBS next season, and the refs pull the same no-call bias, what do you speculate will happen?

I'll save you the smart-alec response and tell you again:

Dirty will be repaid dirty dirty.

Good. It's about time too, because you're right. 25 years is quite enough of the present narrative.

If history informs anything, the Bengals will lose and the nation will think their organization is dirty AND stupid?

But lets get this straight, the Steelers are evil because they are dirty so bengals fans think the bengals need to be as Burfict dirty as possible?

Oh and the whole issue really is that the NFL lets the Steelers do whatever they want and referees are complicit as evidenced by the two hits that were discussed ad naseum in thread 1.

Has "Bengals nation" taken a massive blow to it's collective head??????????????????

[kaldaniels]

Show me where I posted that Ward was a clean player. You can't, what you do is twist my words that I stated Ward was viewed as a guy who pushed the limits. Either way, you have proven that you can't have a debate about something you are so clearly biased toward. You are so clearly smarter than me, I am not worthy to debate in this thread....neither is anyone who has a different viewpoint than yourself...deuces...I'm out...:mooner:

You are playing word games when you say you didn't say Ward was clean.

What you did say was that he wasn't necessarily thought of as dirty. He was.

And for some reason you take great umbrage when being called out on that.

I ask sincerely, did you just forget about his reputation? Or are you going to dig in and say he wasn't thought of as being dirty?

I'm all for a "decent debate", which is what you want. But a decent debate has to contain factual statements.

[wolfboy]

If history informs anything, the Bengals will lose and the nation will think their organization is dirty AND stupid?

But lets get this straight, the Steelers are evil because they are dirty so bengals fans think the bengals need to be as Burfict dirty as possible?

Oh and the whole issue really is that the NFL lets the Steelers do whatever they want and referees are complicit as evidenced by the two hits that were discussed ad naseum in thread 1.

Has "Bengals nation" taken a massive blow to it's collective head??????????????????

Only to the extent that we've wasted time responding to your drivel.

[RedTeamGo!]

Just stop. Watch the play from another angle. The notion that he was kneeing Roethlisberger's shoulder rests on the proposition that Burfict somehow knew Ben's shoulder was separated - and that's just preposterous. He grabbed the ball from Ben, pulled it backwards (at which point both knees went forward) and popped up with the ball. Watch it again with the proper perspective. Or don't. Add it to your Burfict hate arsenal. I honestly don't care.

Edit: and for what it's worth, I'm not saying there's any conspiracy. What I am saying is don't jump to conclusions based on a highly edited vine video. Remember the video where a Steelers player was purportedly going for Burfict's knees? Turns out that was utter b.s. I think a tried and true rule comes into play here: just because you (think you) saw it on the internet doesn't mean it's true.

I don't think it implies Burfict knew his shoulder was injured. I think his thought process was more along the lines of "I'm on top of the qb, time for a knee"

You may be right, could have been coincidental.

His reputation says otherwise, though.

[Dom Heffner]

Holocaust/Hitler reference in a football thread

/thread

It's an analogy, not a comparison.

One day the media and you will get it.

[The Operator]

Anyone who didn't realize Hines Ward was dirty has no business here.The best part is that he's painted as some model citizen by the NFL and many media outlets.


Anyone who can't see the narrative is wearing blinders.

[dubc47834]

Fine, let's address the term "pushed the limits".

If you think "push the limits" is all Hines Ward did, you clearly didn't see him play very much. All you're going on is what those ex athlete commentators who you trust so much tell you.

To be honest, I hate the Steelers. So I don't watch them much, unless they are playing my Colts or it's the playoffs!

[alwaysawarrior]

Just stop. Watch the play from another angle. The notion that he was kneeing Roethlisberger's shoulder rests on the proposition that Burfict somehow knew Ben's shoulder was separated - and that's just preposterous. He grabbed the ball from Ben, pulled it backwards (at which point both knees went forward) and popped up with the ball. Watch it again with the proper perspective. Or don't. Add it to your Burfict hate arsenal. I honestly don't care.

Edit: and for what it's worth, I'm not saying there's any conspiracy. What I am saying is don't jump to conclusions based on a highly edited vine video. Remember the video where a Steelers player was purportedly going for Burfict's knees? Turns out that was utter b.s. I think a tried and true rule comes into play here: just because you (think you) saw it on the internet doesn't mean it's true.

This argument just shows the effort to use anything against Burfict. I think the hit on Brown was a bad hit. (I also think Brown sold the hell out of it.) I know Burfict has done plenty of dirty things in the past. This wasn't one of them, but some people can not be reasoned with.

[RedTeamGo!]

This argument just shows the effort to use anything against Burfict. I think the hit on Brown was a bad hit. (I also think Brown sold the hell out of it.) I know Burfict has done plenty of dirty things in the past. This wasn't one of them, but some people can not be reasoned with.

How does someone that is knocked out sell anything?

[jojo]

Only to the extent that we've wasted time responding to your drivel.

Seriously, your behavior is very poor and it reflects poorly on you, this board, and bengals fans.

[jojo]

How does someone that is knocked out sell anything?

The unconscious person was the example of someone who can not be reasoned with? It seems unlikely that's the point but truthfully, logic has not prevailed concerning the discourse on the two hits, so I guess, it's an interpretation that can;t be rejected out of hand.

[wolfboy]

Seriously, your behavior is very poor and it reflects poorly on you, this board, and bengals fans.

I'll take a full page ad out in the Enquirer confessing my sins of being a bad person, apologizing to you individually (and collectively on behalf of anyone and everyone who may have aided and abetted my behavior by discussing the Bengals), offering conciliatory words of remorse to Bengals nation, and begging for a second chance to restore the integrity of this message board. Or maybe I won't.

[Dom Heffner]

Seriously, your behavior is very poor and it reflects poorly on you, this board, and bengals fans.

There it is! A fandom sighting! It's about being the better Jim Rome listener. The better fan, dude!

Most Steeler fans were fans of other teams and jumped on board. But they are better, see, because you can't be fair weather when you win all the time!

- - - Updated - - -


The unconscious person was the example of someone who can not be reasoned with? It seems unlikely that's the point but truthfully, logic has not prevailed concerning the discourse on the two hits, so I guess, it's an interpretation that can;t be rejected out of hand.

Knocked out cold, a concussion and ready to play!

[RiverRat13]

How does someone that is knocked out sell anything?

How does someone who is "knocked out" get cleared two days later?

[wolfboy]

This argument just shows the effort to use anything against Burfict. I think the hit on Brown was a bad hit. (I also think Brown sold the hell out of it.) I know Burfict has done plenty of dirty things in the past. This wasn't one of them, but some people can not be reasoned with.

Steelers fans (and make no mistake that's where this is coming from) need to build the narrative that even if we'd won, it wasn't legitimate. That coupled with the fact that they're hell-bent on trying to push as much punishment on the one player that strikes complete fear in them.

[757690]

Damn the national media and all who disagree...:cool:

This is the point.

The media and the NFL have hypocritically and disingenuously created a narrative where the Bengals, by playing the game the NFL way, are now dirty, scumbag thugs. Now you and many others have drunk this Kool-aid and using this made up narrative as the crux of your argument. It's amazing, actually.

The NFL encourages player to try to inflict as much damage against opposing players as possible, all under the guise of "hard play,". They now are in a bind because of the entire concussion tragedies, and are trying to clean up the game, but keep it as violent as possible at the same time, because, you know, ratings.

So the result is games like Saturday night's game, where they keep the game as violent and ugly as possible, but hand out a few random penalties and call a few players dirty, just to make it seem like they actually care about concussions and the well being of the players.

[Dom Heffner]

This is the point.

The media and the NFL have hypocritically and disingenuously created a narrative where the Bengals, by playing the game the NFL way, are now dirty, scumbag thugs. Now you and many others have drunk this Kool-aid and using this made up narrative as the crux of your argument. It's amazing, actually.

The NFL encourages player to try to inflict as much damage against opposing players as possible, all under the guise of "hard play,". They now are in a bind because of the entire concussion tragedies, and are trying to clean up the game, but keep it as violent as possible at the same time, because, you know, ratings.

So the result is games like Saturday night's game, where they keep the game as violent and ugly as possible, but hand out a few random penalties and call a few players dirty, just to make it seem like they actually care about concussions and the well being of the players.

They are going to have the rematch week one, so we can watch the awfulness as soon as possible!

[jojo]

There it is! A fandom sighting! It's about being the better Jim Rome listener. The better fan, dude!

I thought it was pretty clear that it's embarrassingly poor behavior regardless of what members of any other fanbase might do. What does Jim Rome have to do with anything?

[The Operator]

They are going to have the rematch week one, so we can watch the awfulness as soon as possible!Unfortunately Burfict will probably be suspended for it, even with Brown's miraculous "recovery".

[jojo]

This is the point.

The media and the NFL have hypocritically and disingenuously created a narrative where the Bengals, by playing the game the NFL way, are now dirty, scumbag thugs. Now you and many others have drunk this Kool-aid and using this made up narrative as the crux of your argument. It's amazing, actually.

Ummm. Burfict actually did that. It's actually amazing how that's being obfuscated. The bengals created a brand in front of a national audience whereby Bengal football is dirty and stupid. The NFL didn't do that.

[wolfboy]

This is the point.

The media and the NFL have hypocritically and disingenuously created a narrative where the Bengals, by playing the game the NFL way, are now dirty, scumbag thugs. Now you and many others have drunk this Kool-aid and using this made up narrative as the crux of your argument. It's amazing, actually.

The NFL encourages players to be psychopaths, to try to inflict as much damage against opposing players as possible, all under the guise of "hard play,". They now are in a bind because of the entire concussion tragedies, and are trying to clean up the game, but keep it as violent as possible at the same time, because, you know, ratings.

So the result is games like Saturday night's game, where they keep the game as violent and ugly as possible, but hand out a few random penalties and call a few players dirty, just to make it seem like they actually care about concussions and the well being of the players.

That's the hilarious part of all this. Burfict plays a violent game violently. He crossed a line on Saturday night and he'll get a hefty penalty from the NFL for it. Ok, fine. Let's move on. Instead, everyone is acting like he should be banned for life, Marvin should be fired, Mike Brown is a p.o.s. for ever allowing him to be drafted, and the entire Cincinnati fan-base is classless lest they even question some of this Burfict hatred. Are you serious?? The likes of Greg Hardy gets a four game suspension and Burfict deserves to be tossed from the game for life for a hit that won't even take a guy out of the following game? I mean, I get that everyone loves a villain, but the pitchfork and torches are a little absurd.

[Dom Heffner]

I thought it was pretty clear that it's embarrassingly poor behavior regardless of what members of any other fanbase might do. What does Jim Rome have to do with anything?

Oh Christ.

Here we go.

Set a good example, turn the other cheek!

Right. We've had enough of the sports cliches.

It's like two kids fighting at school and only one gets in trouble for it and the one who got away with nothing talking about how to be the better person.

Look- we get it, this is fun for you. You can sort of throw some stuff on the wall and rile up some Bengals fans.

Your turn is coming, not going to forget it, my friend. All forums. Because this is just gibberish to push buttons.

Doesn't Alabama play tonight? Hope it goes perfectly for you, because regardless of whatever happens they need to do enough to win!

[jojo]

That's the hilarious part of all this. Burfict plays a violent game violently. He crossed a line on Saturday night and he'll get a hefty penalty from the NFL for it. Ok, fine. Let's move on. Instead, everyone is acting like he should be banned for life, Marvin should be fired, Mike Brown is a p.o.s. for ever allowing him to be drafted, and the entire Cincinnati fan-base is classless lest they even question some of this Burfict hatred. Are you serious?? The likes of Greg Hardy gets a four game suspension and Burfict deserves to be tossed from the game for life for a hit that won't even take a guy out of the following game? I mean, I get that everyone loves a villain, but the pitchfork and torches are a little absurd.

Mike Brown allowed who to be drafted?

[The Operator]

That's the hilarious part of all this. Burfict plays a violent game violently. He crossed a line on Saturday night and he'll get a hefty penalty from the NFL for it. Ok, fine. Let's move on. Instead, everyone is acting like he should be banned for life, Marvin should be fired, Mike Brown is a p.o.s. for ever allowing him to be drafted, and the entire Cincinnati fan-base is classless lest they even question some of this Burfict hatred. Are you serious?? The likes of Greg Hardy gets a four game suspension and Burfict deserves to be tossed from the game for life for a hit that won't even take a guy out of the following game? I mean, I get that everyone loves a villain, but the pitchfork and torches are a little absurd.Narrative, baby. All about the narrative.

[jojo]

Oh Christ.

Here we go.

Set a good example, turn the other cheek!

Right. We've had enough of the sports cliches.

It's like tow kids fighting at school and only one gets in trouble for it and the one who got away with nothing talking about how to be the better person.

Look- we get it, this is fun for you. You can sort of throw some stuff on the wall and rile up some Bengals fans.

Your turn is coming, not going to forget it, my friend. All forums.

Youre being kind of offensive. I've made an argument. Why not try and respond to it instead of making some knee-jerk empty personal attack? Seriously, you're not going to be proud when rereading some of the contributions to this thread.

There's a thread mulling the underlying reason for the "declining quality of the ORG" in the feedback forum. Literally, these two threads are poster threads for the reason, and, it's obviously a community effort.

[Dom Heffner]

Youre being kind of offensive. I've made an argument. Why not try and respond to it instead of some empty personal attack?

Oh, now fairness concerns you.

Maybe you should do like the Steelers do and just win in spite of the uneven playing field.

[SteelSD]

wolf, I hope you don't mind me bringing your response over from part one of the thread...


wolfboy: I'll be honest with you - the Shazier hit and no flag wouldn't have bothered me much if we hadn't seen the same damn thing in our last game with the hit on Eifert. I mean, how do you miss the flag on those two plays? As for Porter, I think the main gripe is not that he was on the field, but that he was right in the middle of the Bengals huddle talking trash. I think the league acknowledged that or Porter wouldn't be looking at a fine. And let's be honest, if we're going to make calls based on Burfict's reputation, we can't ignore the fact that Porter has a reputation as well. He should have been flagged, but ultimately Jones got played by Porter and that's on Jones. As to Burfict being out of control for the last few minutes, I guess that's one way of looking at it. The other way to look at it is that he put the fear of God in the Steelers and completely took over the game. But for Burfict, we're talking about a 15-0 (or more) Steelers win.

I appreciate the response. The point I was trying to make is that, while Burfict is talented, it was his over-zealous need for revenge and showing up Pitt that turned him stupid. I see that folks are trying now to say that he kneed Ben when he was down. I agree with those that think he was just re-positioning to try to grab the ball from Ben because, if an official missed it, it could have been called a TD. That was smart and I don't think anyone should be piling onto him for that. In the same fashion, Shazier grabbed the fumble missed by the refs and ran down the field after the Bernard hit. Smart. Fast forward to Burfict running all the way down through his end zone with what he figured was the game-winning INT and three teammates. That was the first of a number of stupid things he did; some of which were actually missed by the officials. And frankly, Burfict is the one who woke up this particular sleeping dog anyway with his pre-game antics prior to the last meeting between the two teams.

I'm really puzzled by some folks who claim to have wanted the game to be called "fairly" or "evenly". Does that mean they wanted the Bengals penalized for their own extra personnel running on the field after Bernard was injured? That's a "must throw" flag if it holds for Porter. Did they want Burfict penalized for his excessive celebration after the INT? That's an easy call after Pitt received an excessive celebration penalty for having a player dance for three seconds after what he thought was a TD. Was anyone calling for Burfict to receive a penalty for shoving the Pitt medical staff when Brown was being taken off the field? A Steelers coach bad-touched a Bengals player and got a flag, so what about a Bengals player shoving a Steelers staff member while he was trying to help an injured player off the field?

What I'm trying to figure out is whether "even" is remotely on the table or if it's just that flags weren't thrown when folks wanted them, because it seems to me that "even" may not have worked out- at all- in the Bengals favor.

[dabvu2498]

Ummm. Burfict actually did that. It's actually amazing how that's being obfuscated. The bengals created a brand in front of a national audience whereby Bengal football is dirty and stupid. The NFL didn't do that.

And the Steelers have created that same brand for the past couple decades...

But they get a pass from the NFL and national media.

Can you imagine the narrative if the Bengals had hired Joey Porter as an assistant? Dirty player, arrested for DUI and resisting arrest, arrested for passing bad checks at a casino. Pittsburgh hired this guy for their staff, but Cincinnati is home for the "criminally insane."

It's a joke.

[wolfboy]

I don't think it implies Burfict knew his shoulder was injured. I think his thought process was more along the lines of "I'm on top of the qb, time for a knee"

You may be right, could have been coincidental.

His reputation says otherwise, though.

I found another angle of the same play, with more context. You can see that Burfict is immediately fighting for the ball as Ben is going down. Right leg pops up as left knee goes down and forward, consistent with him trying to get up and pull the ball away (which is what he ultimately did). You may interpret it differently (and I suspect you might), but at least look at it within the context of the full play, not a highly edited video intended to show only his right knee.


https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/vontaze-burfict-knees-ben-roethlisburger-after-sacking-him.gif?w=1000

[alwaysawarrior]

How does someone that is knocked out sell anything?

He was so knocked out he's already cleared concussion protocol, in a time where that is supposed to be difficult to do. There were already reports yesterday that he wouldn't miss anytime. That's amazing from a guy who had his head tore off. Must be the Steeler toughness.

[jojo]

Oh, now fairness concerns you.

Maybe you should do like the Steelers do and just win in spite of the uneven playing field.

Or maybe, when discussing things on a message board that proclaims it's mission is to be a place where the highest quality dialog is sought, you should do like the steelers do when playing the bengals and score more points?

[RiverRat13]

And frankly, Burfict is the one who woke up this particular sleeping dog anyway with his pre-game antics prior to the last meeting between the two teams.


This is what's frustrating - Burfict should not have been at midfield the first game. He was in the wrong. But why is only Burfict called out when it was Vince Williams who is the one woke the "sleeping dog" by threatening Burfict on Twitter? There are no pre-game antics if Williams doesn't threaten him. And of course, the league does nothing to Williams. Not a single national reporter brought up Williams tweet and that was the stated reason Burfict went over there.

[The Operator]

And the Steelers have created that same brand for the past couple decades...

But they get a pass from the NFL and national media.

Can you imagine the narrative if the Bengals had hired Joey Porter as an assistant? Dirty player, arrested for DUI and resisting arrest, arrested for passing bad checks at a casino. Pittsburgh hired this guy for their staff, but Cincinnati is home for the "criminally insane."

It's a joke.Oh and one of their other coaches pulled a Bengals player's hair. And Tomlin also tripped an opposing player a few years back. No big deal though.


But OMG! The Bengal brand is being tarnished with their poor behavior!!


http://images.tvfanatic.com/iu/s--JZOON7Iu--/t_full/f_auto,fl_lossy,q_75/v1371141963/helen-lovejoy-pic.png

[alwaysawarrior]

Youre being kind of offensive. I've made an argument. Why not try and respond to it instead of making some knee-jerk empty personal attack? Seriously, you're not going to be proud when rereading some of the contributions to this thread.

There's a thread mulling the underlying reason for the "declining quality of the ORG" in the feedback forum. Literally, these two threads are poster threads for the reason, and, it's obviously a community effort.

You have no rational argument therefore it's difficult to discuss anything with you. Now please tell me again how much better you are then the rest of us.

[wolfboy]

wolf, I hope you don't mind me bringing your response over from part one of the thread...



I appreciate the response. The point I was trying to make is that, while Burfict is talented, it was his over-zealous need for revenge and showing up Pitt that turned him stupid. I see that folks are trying now to say that he kneed Ben when he was down. I agree with those that think he was just re-positioning to try to grab the ball from Ben because, if an official missed it, it could have been called a TD. That was smart and I don't think anyone should be piling onto him for that. In the same fashion, Shazier grabbed the fumble missed by the refs and ran down the field after the Bernard hit. Smart. Fast forward to Burfict running all the way down through his end zone with what he figured was the game-winning INT and three teammates. That was the first of a number of stupid things he did; some of which were actually missed by the officials. And frankly, Burfict is the one who woke up this particular sleeping dog anyway with his pre-game antics prior to the last meeting between the two teams.

I'm really puzzled by some folks who claim to have wanted the game to be called "fairly" or "evenly". Does that mean they wanted the Bengals penalized for their own extra personnel running on the field after Bernard was injured? That's a "must throw" flag if it holds for Porter. Did they want Burfict penalized for his excessive celebration after the INT? That's an easy call after Pitt received an excessive celebration penalty for having a player dance for three seconds after what he thought was a TD. Was anyone calling for Burfict to receive a penalty for shoving the Pitt medical staff when Brown was being taken off the field? A Steelers coach bad-touched a Bengals player and got a flag, so what about a Bengals player shoving a Steelers staff member while he was trying to help an injured player off the field?

What I'm trying to figure out is whether "even" is remotely on the table or if it's just that flags weren't thrown when folks wanted them, because it seems to me that "even" may not have worked out- at all- in the Bengals favor.

No, I agree that there were flags that could have gone for both sides that didn't. But my outrage is directed at one thing: hits that injure players that should be no-brainer flags. It happened against Eifert; it happened against Bernard. That has to be an evenly thrown flag because we're talking about player safety. It's shameful that the league doesn't enforce this evenly.

[jojo]

Oh and one of their other coaches pulled a Bengals player's hair.


But OMG! The Bengal brand is being tarnished with their poor behavior!!


http://images.tvfanatic.com/iu/s--JZOON7Iu--/t_full/f_auto,fl_lossy,q_75/v1371141963/helen-lovejoy-pic.png

Monday morning national narrative: "Bengals are dirty AND stupid."

This is the context.

[SteelSD]

This is what's frustrating - Burfict should not have been at midfield the first game. He was in the wrong. But why is only Burfict called out when it was Vince Williams who is the one woke the "sleeping dog" by threatening Burfict on Twitter? There are no pre-game antics if Williams doesn't threaten him. And of course, the league does nothing to Williams. Not a single national reporter brought up Williams tweet and that was the stated reason Burfict went over there.

And there we go...shouldn't, at some point, doesn't it need to stop? Vince Williams is a special team player; a career backup LB. Burfict is an All-Pro; extremely skilled. But apparently, dumb as a box of Adam Jones.

[jojo]

You have no rational argument therefore it's difficult to discuss anything with you. Now please tell me again how much better you are then the rest of us.

I would but you'd first have to demonstrate a willingness to actually read for content.

[The Operator]

Monday morning national narrative: "Bengals are dirty AND stupid."

This is the context.But is our brand being tarnished? Because that's what I'm mostly worried about. We must protect The Bengals' brand above all else.

[jojo]

But is our brand being tarnished? Because that's what I'm mostly worried about.

Define "our"?

[wolfboy]

And there we go...shouldn't, at some point, doesn't it need to stop? Vince Williams is a special team player; a career backup LB. Burfict is an All-Pro; extremely skilled. But apparently, dumb as a box of Adam Jones.

I guess we'll see what Shazier incited by dancing on the Bengals logo while Bernard was unconscious on the field.

[alwaysawarrior]

I would but you'd first have to demonstrate a willingness to actually read for content.

I've read everything you've posted. I'm probably just not smart enough to understand what you're saying. Just because you try to be as condescending as possible doesn't make you correct. You've presented nothing that was rational and then when called out you've gone to the practice of telling me how I've tarnished our "fan brand". As if that is actually a thing.

[wolfboy]

But is our brand being tarnished? Because that's what I'm mostly worried about. We must protect The Bengals' brand above all else.

I think jojo established earlier that I'd ruined: (a) my personal reputation; (b) the reputation of Bengals fans; and (c) the reputation of this board. Honestly at this point you have nothing to lose.

[redsfandan]

And the Steelers have created that same brand for the past couple decades...

But they get a pass from the NFL and national media.

Can you imagine the narrative if the Bengals had hired Joey Porter as an assistant? Dirty player, arrested for DUI and resisting arrest, arrested for passing bad checks at a casino. Pittsburgh hired this guy for their staff, but Cincinnati is home for the "criminally insane."

It's a joke.

Whitworth: I respect the Steelers, but not Joey Porter

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/11/whitworth-i-respect-steelers-but-not-joey-porter/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

[alwaysawarrior]

I guess we'll see what Shazier incited by dancing on the Bengals logo while Bernard was unconscious on the field.

That's just passion. Quit tarnishing our brand by questioning the Steelers.

[jojo]

I've read everything you've posted. I'm probably just not smart enough to understand what you're saying. Just because you try to be as condescending as possible doesn't make you correct. You've presented nothing that was rational and then when called out you've gone to the practice of telling me how I've tarnished our "fan brand". As if that is actually a thing.

You could begin by being less motivated to post personal attacks and more motivated to read for understanding and respond in kind?

[RiverRat13]

And there we go...shouldn't, at some point, doesn't it need to stop? Vince Williams is a special team player; a career backup LB. Burfict is an All-Pro; extremely skilled. But apparently, dumb as a box of Adam Jones.

Yes, it should. Burfict has 100% earned his reputation and Marvin deserves 100% of the criticism he gets for not reigning it in. But if Marvin has no control, neither does Tomlin. In fact, Tomlin is much worse. The Steelers have had multiple dirty players (Ward, Porter, Harrison, Mitchell) over the past decade. The Bengals have one (who is probably worse than any I listed), but evidently that is all that it takes to get the whole team labeled as thugs.

Shouldn't someone stop Ryan Shazier from dancing at midfield while Gio Bernard is lying prone on the turf? In fact, that was the second part to a three part dance act by Shazier while Gio was down (Hill went after him the first time, the vine shows the second time and the cameras caught him on the sideline the third time). Is that allowed to be discussed?

[The Operator]

Define "our"?
The Bengals brand, The Bengals' fans brand, you know, all the things you've warned us that are taking a beating.


Because I'm not worried about wins, losses, fairness or any of that stuff. We cannot let The Bengals franchise brand or our brand as fans be tarnished.

[jojo]

I think jojo established earlier that I'd ruined: (a) my personal reputation; (b) the reputation of Bengals fans; and (c) the reputation of this board. Honestly at this point you have nothing to lose.

At some point, you may wish your soul to be less bruised, so you might want to consider an exit strategy that leads down a road to recovery.

[Dom Heffner]

Or maybe, when discussing things on a message board that proclaims it's mission is to be a place where the highest quality dialog is sought, you should do like the steelers do when playing the bengals and score more points?

The highest dialog.

Jojo.

I'll let that sink in for everyone.

I love you, you also post the same sentence over and over and over in large letters.

I...look...you need to get some self awareness.

[gonelong]

Burfict is the one who woke up this particular sleeping dog anyway with his pre-game antics prior to the last meeting between the two teams.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/14/bengals-thought-nfl-would-issue-warning-to-vince-williams-for-burfict-threat/



I'm really puzzled by some folks who claim to have wanted the game to be called "fairly" or "evenly". Does that mean they wanted the Bengals penalized for their own extra personnel running on the field after Bernard was injured? That's a "must throw" flag if it holds for Porter. Did they want Burfict penalized for his excessive celebration after the INT? That's an easy call after Pitt received an excessive celebration penalty for having a player dance for three seconds after what he thought was a TD. Was anyone calling for Burfict to receive a penalty for shoving the Pitt medical staff when Brown was being taken off the field? A Steelers coach bad-touched a Bengals player and got a flag, so what about a Bengals player shoving a Steelers staff member while he was trying to help an injured player off the field?

What I'm trying to figure out is whether "even" is remotely on the table or if it's just that flags weren't thrown when folks wanted them, because it seems to me that "even" may not have worked out- at all- in the Bengals favor.

Call them all. Everyone of them. The NFL has let this match-up go way too far already. They have condoned it. Welcomed it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/14/bengals-thought-nfl-would-issue-warning-to-vince-williams-for-burfict-threat/

The NFL won't be happy until somebody is dead.

GL

[Dom Heffner]

And there we go...shouldn't, at some point, doesn't it need to stop? Vince Williams is a special team player; a career backup LB. Burfict is an All-Pro; extremely skilled. But apparently, dumb as a box of Adam Jones.

Hey everyone, it's Stephen Hawking here to use logic and reason to explain the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[westofyou]

Lots of meta commentary here about the fans not the game (from non Bengal fans) hope it gets buried in the archives for later turd polishing moments that pretend to provide clarity to other threads awash in meta commentary disguised as enlightenment

[wolfboy]

At some point, you may wish your soul to be less bruised, so you might want to consider an exit strategy that leads down a road to recovery.

You unintentionally provide me with a steady stream of laughs throughout the day. Keep being you, jojo.

[dubc47834]

Honest question to the Bengals fans.... Are you happy with the way your team lost that game?

I know you're not happy about losing, but losing a certain way is easier than others. Im just saying that if my Colts lost that way, I would be pissed. Not at the other team, but my team/players. As they lost that game...just me I guess.

[RedTeamGo!]

How does someone who is "knocked out" get cleared two days later?

I don't know, I'm not a doctor.

[jojo]

The Bengals brand, The Bengals' fans brand, you know, all the things you've warned us that are taking a beating.


Because I'm not worried about wins, losses, fairness or any of that stuff. We cannot let The Bengals franchise brand or our brand as fans be tarnished.

Oh. It's clear that many posting in this thread don't care about how what they've typed reflects upon themselves or well, anything, really.

But ya, the bengals wrote the very narrative by their actions that many are calling unfair in this thread and many posters in this thread have argued that the bengals need to ramp up the violent, dirty play. At some point, it bares noticing the way others view this situation, you know for maybe a little clarity? But again, it's clear that many aren't too worried about how they sound to an objective reader.

Fine but it's still pretty bad.

[wolfboy]

I don't know, I'm not a doctor.

Yeah, I'm not buying the Brown deserves an Emmy talk. Given the severity of hits like that, he at least deserves the benefit of the doubt.

[jojo]

Lots of meta commentary here about the fans not the game (from non Bengal fans) hope it gets buried in the archives for later turd polishing moments that pretend to provide clarity to other threads awash in meta commentary disguised as enlightenment

Is this a poster child post for kudzo tending?

[dabvu2498]

Honest question to the Bengals fans.... Are you happy with the way your team lost that game?

I know you're not happy about losing, but losing a certain way is easier than others. Im just saying that if my Colts lost that way, I would be pissed. Not at the other team, but my team/players. As they lost that game...just me I guess.

I'm not pissed at the Steelers. They did what they could get away with.

I'm pissed at the NFL.

[Dom Heffner]

Oh. It's clear that many posting in this thread don't care about how what they've typed reflects upon themselves or well, anything, really.

But ya, the bengals wrote the very narrative by their actions that many are calling unfair in this thread and many posters in this thread have argued that the bengals need to ramp up the violent, dirty play. At some point, it bares noticing the way others view this situation, you know for maybe a little clarity? But again, it's clear that many aren't too worried about how they sound to an objective reader.

Fine but it's still pretty bad.

Because you know, MAGIC STEELER BEANS!!!

[Oxilon]

Honest question to the Bengals fans.... Are you happy with the way your team lost that game?

I know you're not happy about losing, but losing a certain way is easier than others. Im just saying that if my Colts lost that way, I would be pissed. Not at the other team, but my team/players. As they lost that game...just me I guess.

In all fairness, as a Colts' fan, you don't have the perspective that Bengals fans have when it comes to this rivalry. But as a post above mine eluded to, the NFL and officiating were beyond pathetic in this game and that's where all my anger (along with the media and CBS) is directed at.

[gonelong]

Lots of meta commentary here about the fans not the game (from non Bengal fans) hope it gets buried in the archives for later turd polishing moments that pretend to provide clarity to other threads awash in meta commentary disguised as enlightenment

Your comments add nicely to the dungpile.

[jojo]

The highest dialog.

Jojo.

I'll let that sink in for everyone.

I love you, you also post the same sentence over and over and over in large letters.

I...look...you need to get some self awareness.

You know the difference though? I make an actual point. Here's another point-not everything is about me. The bengals lost because they did what they always do. This is not some made up narrative. It's their history. They find a way. No amount of kvetching about some narrative about dirty steeler or metacommentary about jojo changes the facts on the ground.

[SteelSD]

Yeah, I'm not buying the Brown deserves an Emmy talk.

You mean "Grammy". Duh! ;-)

[RedTeamGo!]

I found another angle of the same play, with more context. You can see that Burfict is immediately fighting for the ball as Ben is going down. Right leg pops up as left knee goes down and forward, consistent with him trying to get up and pull the ball away (which is what he ultimately did). You may interpret it differently (and I suspect you might), but at least look at it within the context of the full play, not a highly edited video intended to show only his right knee.


https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/vontaze-burfict-knees-ben-roethlisburger-after-sacking-him.gif?w=1000

Thanks for the other angle.

I was not referring to his right knee, I was referring to his left. This gif ends right before the left knee goes into his shoulder.

[wolfboy]

Oh. It's clear that may posting in this thread don't care about how what they've typed reflects upon themselves or well, anything, really.

But ya, the bengals wrote the very narrative by their actions that many are calling unfair in this thread and many posters in this thread have argued that the bengals need to ramp up the violent, dirty play. At some point, it bares noticing the way others view this situation, you know for maybe a little clarity? But again, it's clear that many aren't too worried about how they sound to an objective reader.

Fine but it's still pretty bad.

Objective reader? So let me get this straight - jojo's objective view is that the rules should be subjectively enforced according to how a team fits a particular subjective narrative such as being dirty? I mean, you can't make this up.

[RiverRat13]

Honest question to the Bengals fans.... Are you happy with the way your team lost that game?

No. I'm most upset with Hill. Then comes Guenther for only rushing 3 guys on 4th and 3 with a QB who couldn't throw it more than 15 yards.

I'm mad at Burfict for being stupid. Jones was dumb too but at that point the Bengals were hellbent on finding a way to lose.

[westofyou]

Your comments add nicely to the dungpile.

I long to be the corn in that pile.

For the record the Steeler fan next to me at work has confirmed that the Bengals are a dirty team.

My eye roll rendered me blind for awhile

[Dom Heffner]

You know the difference though? I make an actual point. Here's another point-not everything is about me. The bengals lost because they did what they always do. This is not some made up narrative. It's their history. They find a way. No amount of kvetching about some narrative about dirty steeler or metacommentary about jojo changes the facts on the ground.

Jojo, you are one of my favorite posters here. I've told you that privately and publicly.

This isn't personal for me.

No, you do not always make a point.

I'm sorry to tell you that, but you don't.

Giant "bean" sayings- and let's face it saying you've done it 500 times would be an understatement- is not making a point.

I love you, I'm not talking discussion board etiquette lessons from you. Thanks.

[jojo]

Because you know, MAGIC STEELER BEANS!!!

Snark should actually be clever but more importantly, it should make a cognizant point by actually accurately characterizing the argument. I haven't argued that electing the Steelers would magically cause one of the worst economic down turns in our country to magically correct itself to almost instant economic prosperity for our country. Guess what? I haven't even said anything that lauds the steelers.

Seriously Dom, you're flailing and have been pretty dramatically in these threads.

[wolfboy]

Thanks for the other angle.

I was not referring to his right knee, I was referring to his left. This gif ends right before the left knee goes into his shoulder.

That was a typo on my part. I meant left knee. Yeah, I couldn't find one that combines the two at full screen. What I was saying is that his left knee goes in (to the shoulder) as his right knee comes up, consistent with him trying to yank the ball up and away from Ben. Sure, he kneed him in the shoulder, but it makes sense in the context of the play, just like the .gif of the Steelers player allegedly going after Burfict's knees. If you happened to DVR the game, give it a look there. The notion that Burfict was slipping in some cheap shot is silly, honestly.

[jojo]

Jojo, you are one of my favorite posters here. I've told you that privately and publicly.

This isn't personal for me.

No, you do not always make a point.

I'm sorry to tell you that, but you don't.

Giant "bean" sayings- and let's face it saying you've done it 500 times would be an understatement- is not making a point.

I love you, I'm not talking discussion board etiquette lessons from you. Thanks.

Actually it makes a very powerful and very specific point that is both articulate in content and eloquent in it's delivery.

[gonelong]

I long to be the corn in that pile.

Were all rolling with the dung beatles today. :)

[jojo]

Objective reader? So let me get this straight - jojo's objective view is that the rules should be subjectively enforced according to how a team fits a particular subjective narrative such as being dirty? I mean, you can't make this up.

Jojo's argument was that the rules were enforced in a way that is very consistent with how they've been enforced traditionally. Arguing about them is arguing balls and strikes. Great. But guess what? The first hit is almost never flagged given the context while Burflict's is about as automatic as a subjective flag gets. That is the reality of the Bengals' game. This is NOT even controversial.


Also many aspects of that game were an embarrassment to Cincinnati and it was the Bengals' behaviors that feed the narrative that the organization is dirty and stupid. It's pretty tough to argue that it's made up. There's tape.

[dubc47834]

In all fairness, as a Colts' fan, you don't have the perspective that Bengals fans have when it comes to this rivalry. But as a post above mine eluded to, the NFL and officiating were beyond pathetic in this game and that's where all my anger (along with the media and CBS) is directed at.

You know what, we might not. But I and many Colts fans will think we do because of our rivalry with the Patriots. We know what it's like to be owned by someone, it sucks. That's why the AFC Championship game we came back against the patriots meant more to many of us than the Superbowl. Because they owned us, we finally got over that proverbial hump. Superbowl was great, but the icing on the cake was beating the Patriots in the AFC Championship. It didn't last long, been owned ever since!!!

[alwaysawarrior]

Honest question to the Bengals fans.... Are you happy with the way your team lost that game?

I know you're not happy about losing, but losing a certain way is easier than others. Im just saying that if my Colts lost that way, I would be pissed. Not at the other team, but my team/players. As they lost that game...just me I guess.

A fair question because I think some Bengal fans were happy with getting a shot in even if it meant losing. I'm not one of them. I wish Burfict hadn't touched Brown. Especially as the ball was already past and it had no impact whatsoever on the play. I also think he did it intentionally and should have been flagged. That's on him and to a lesser degree Marvin. That being said with Vontaze you have to take the good with the bad. I think the Bengals deserved to lost because of the fumble and that stupid penalty. That being said it's still ludacris that someone wants to argue that his tackle of Big Ben was malicious. And it's ridiculous that some want to call for his head because of the hit against Brown and still want to defend Shazier.
So no not happy with how they lost, but that isn't what my argument has ever been about.

[alwaysawarrior]

Jojo's argument was that the rules were enforced in a way that is very consistent with how they've been enforced traditionally. Arguing about them is arguing balls and strikes. Great. But guess what? The first hit is almost never flagged given the context while Burflict's is about as automatic as a subjective flag gets. That is the reality of the Bengals' game. This is NOT even controversial.


Also many aspects of that game were an embarrassment to Cincinnati and it was the Bengals' behaviors that feed the narrative that the organization is dirty and stupid. It's pretty tough to argue that it's made up. There's tape.

Yes that is your argument however you're arguing something as fact that simply isn't. It is called, as it should be.

[RiverRat13]

Jojo's argument was that the rules were enforced in a way that is very consistent with how they've been enforced traditionally. Arguing about them is arguing balls and strikes. Great. But guess what? The first hit is almost never flagged given the context while Burflict's is about as automatic as a subjective flag gets. That is the reality of the Bengals' game. This is NOT even controversial.

So how many crown of the helmet to helmet collisions take place in a game? Again, is it that is never gets flagged or is it that it rarely happens? Crown to torso? Sure. Crown to helmet... yeah, I don't think so.

Will Shazier get fined?

[jojo]

Yes that is your argument however you're arguing something as fact that simply isn't. It is called, as it should be.

You haven't called anything but names. So no, it's not as it should be.

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So how many crown of the helmet to helmet collisions take place in a game? Again, is it that is never gets flagged or is it that it rarely happens? Crown to torso? Sure. Crown to helmet... yeah, I don't think so.

Will Shazier get fined?

Everyone will be fined. Fines will be given out like Christmas candy.

[Dom Heffner]

Snark should actually be clever but more importantly, it should make a cognizant point by actually accurately characterizing the argument. I haven't argued that electing the Steelers would magically cause one of the worst economic down turns in our country to magically correct itself to almost instant economic prosperity for our country. Guess what? I haven't even said anything that lauds the steelers.

Seriously Dom, you're flailing and have been pretty dramatically in these threads.

This is the last I'm speaking of you on this.

Saying "___________beans" over and over is not making a point.

I'm not going 45 pages with you over it.

[RiverRat13]

You haven't called anything but names. So no, it's not as it should be.

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Everyone will be fined. Fines will be given out like Christmas candy.

Of course he will be fined. The NFL routinely fines players even if they didn't draw a flag, right?

So if that's the case, why have there only been three other players since 2013 to be fined for using the crown of the helmet? Since this happens so often but doesn't draw a flag, I'd think there would be multiple players being fined every week for it.

Or, is the more logical conclusion that it isn't flagged or fine very often because it doesn't happen very often?

[jojo]

This is the last I'm speaking of you on this.

Saying "___________beans" over and over is not making a point.

I'm not going 45 pages with you over it.

You're wrong because context is meaning and you've chosen to ignore it. It's a theme in these two threads, so it's not shocking. But still.

[jojo]

Of course he will be fined. The NFL routinely fines players even if they didn't draw a flag, right?

So if that's the case, why have there only been three other players since 2013 to be fined for using the crown of the helmet? Since this happens so often but doesn't draw a flag, I'd think there would be multiple players being fined every week for it.

Or, is the more logical conclusion that it isn't flagged or fine very often because it doesn't happen very often?

The ball boys are getting fined in that one. Literally, some may not be able to go to college now.

[alwaysawarrior]

[QUOTE=jojo;3408228]You haven't called anything but names. So no, it's not as it should be.

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Again you aren't making an actual argument, you just keep telling me how bad I've been.

[Brutus]

Lots of meta commentary here about the fans not the game (from non Bengal fans) hope it gets buried in the archives for later turd polishing moments that pretend to provide clarity to other threads awash in meta commentary disguised as enlightenment

Careful, WOY, you're going to damage your personal brand.

[wolfboy]

[QUOTE=jojo;3408228]You haven't called anything but names. So no, it's not as it should be.

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Again you aren't making an actual argument, you just keep telling me how bad I've been.

Just accept your jojo shame bell.

[jojo]

[QUOTE=jojo;3408228]You haven't called anything but names. So no, it's not as it should be.

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Again you aren't making an actual argument, you just keep telling me how bad I've been.

yawn.

[Brutus]

You know the difference though? I make an actual point. Here's another point-not everything is about me. The bengals lost because they did what they always do. This is not some made up narrative. It's their history. They find a way. No amount of kvetching about some narrative about dirty steeler or metacommentary about jojo changes the facts on the ground.

You've made only one point, over and over mind you, some vague comment about brands, yada yada, and no one really knows what that's supposed to mean and I don't think anyone is particularly concerned by it. I don't think anyone views you as their own personal judge and jury for what defines appropriate viewpoints.

[dubc47834]

A fair question because I think some Bengal fans were happy with getting a shot in even if it meant losing. I'm not one of them. I wish Burfict hadn't touched Brown. Especially as the ball was already past and it had no impact whatsoever on the play. I also think he did it intentionally and should have been flagged. That's on him and to a lesser degree Marvin. That being said with Vontaze you have to take the good with the bad. I think the Bengals deserved to lost because of the fumble and that stupid penalty. That being said it's still ludacris that someone wants to argue that his tackle of Big Ben was malicious. And it's ridiculous that some want to call for his head because of the hit against Brown and still want to defend Shazier.
So no not happy with how they lost, but that isn't what my argument has ever been about.

I think we agree on most of this. Burfict's hit was uncalled for, and Shazier's hit should have been a penalty by letter of the law. I think where we differ is many are saying that's a call that is rarely made. I have no idea of the frequency that it's made/not made. Me personally, Burfict is a very good player, if you can get past him being a knucklehead at times, but I wouldn't want him on the Colts unless he cleaned up his act. That's just me.

[RiverRat13]

The ball boys are getting fined in that one. Literally, some may not be able to go to college now.

You keep dodging it but I'll ask again:

How often does a crown of the helmet to another player's helmet hit take place? Several times a game? Once a game? Once a month?

You've clearly stated that it NEVER gets called. To assert such, it must take place somewhat regularly for you to witness it. I'm just curious as to how often it takes place.

[RiverRat13]

The ball boys are getting fined in that one. Literally, some may not be able to go to college now.

You keep dodging it but I'll ask again:

How often does a crown of the helmet to another player's helmet hit take place? Several times a game? Once a game? Once a month?

You've clearly stated that it NEVER gets called. To assert such, it must take place somewhat regularly for you to witness it. I'm just curious as to how often it takes place.

[jojo]

You keep dodging it but I'll ask again:

How often does a crown of the helmet to another player's helmet hit take place? Several times a game? Once a game? Once a month?

You've clearly stated that it NEVER gets called. To assert such, it must take place somewhat regularly for you to witness it. I'm just curious as to how often it takes place.

When was the last one that you've seen called? When was the last one that was fined? Yep.

[RedTeamGo!]

Lots of meta commentary here about the fans not the game (from non Bengal fans) hope it gets buried in the archives for later turd polishing moments that pretend to provide clarity to other threads awash in meta commentary disguised as enlightenment

I think meta commentary is coming from both fans and non fans.

Isn't your post also an example of meta commentary?

[westofyou]

I think meta commentary is coming from both fans and non fans.

Isn't your post also an example of meta commentary?

Yes, but it's a turd that can only float to the top of the bowl (because it's my turd)

[SteelSD]

Call them all. Everyone of them.

I agree with you. But methinks folks haven't considered that calling an "even" game may not have resulted in a better position for their team.

And yeah. Just as the Ravens/Steelers match ups used to concern me...this one makes me wonder how many players need to be hurt how badly before things finally end. Tired of the Hatfield/McCoy antics. Would rather watch them play football.

[dubc47834]

I think meta commentary is coming from both fans and non fans.

Isn't your post also an example of meta commentary?

Im in the military, so Im not the brightest dude in the world...WTH is meta commentary...LOL...:cool:

[wolfboy]

I agree with you. But methinks folks haven't considered that calling an "even" game may not have resulted in a better position for their team.

And yeah. Just as the Ravens/Steelers match ups used to concern me...this one makes me wonder how many players need to be hurt how badly before things finally end. Tired of the Hatfield/McCoy antics. Would rather watch them play football.

Who cares? If we lose the game, but it's evenly called, there's no discussion. Have you ever seen this conversation take place after any other Bengals playoff loss (and there's more than a small sample size floating around out there)? No. We can take our losses like adults. In fact, we're pros at it. But this one reeks of unfairness and that's what doesn't sit well with Bengals fans.

[RedTeamGo!]

I am still laughing at Dom calling jojo an Alabama fan.

[Dom Heffner]

I am still laughing at Dom calling jojo an Alabama fan.

Whatever team he likes. I don't follow 13th grade football.

[wolfboy]

When was the last one that you've seen called? When was the last one that was fined? Yep.

Classic.

[Dom Heffner]

I just went to the bathroom. What happened in this thread?

[RedTeamGo!]

Whatever team he likes. I don't follow 13th grade football.

It is funny because of how much he hates Alabama. It is like calling you a Steelers fan.

I am actually amazed he didn't make a comment about it.

[Dom Heffner]

I agree with you. But methinks folks haven't considered that calling an "even" game may not have resulted in a better position for their team.

And yeah. Just as the Ravens/Steelers match ups used to concern me...this one makes me wonder how many players need to be hurt how badly before things finally end. Tired of the Hatfield/McCoy antics. Would rather watch them play football.

Then maybe you need to like another team.

Reading a Steelers fan complaining about antics is like listening to a ringmaster complain about a trapeze.

It's part of the show.

You're not the "good guy," never have been never will be.

[RiverRat13]

I agree with you. But methinks folks haven't considered that calling an "even" game may not have resulted in a better position for their team.


DeCastro (same guy fined for bashing Gilberry's helmet into the ground) drove Burfict 10 yards and near the endzone after the whistle. Should have been a penalty. I'm willing to go through them all if you are.

Thoughts on Shazier's dancing/celebration while Gio was on the ground? Is that penalty worthy? Fine worthy?

I don't think the game was called uneven. The Pac Man/Porter situation stinks but at that point the Bengals were going to find a way to lose anyway. But the game's most egregious error worked in favor of the Steelers. What should have been first and goal instead was a turnover. And Shazier's behavior afterwards was disgusting.

[Dom Heffner]

It is funny because of how much he hates Alabama. It is like calling you a Steelers fan.

I am actually amazed he didn't make a comment about it.

I don't follow sports where they have male cheerleaders and they take a month off for final exams. No names on the backs of jerseys, blue fields....they negotiate their schedule...pass.

Honestly, liking college sports is like being a fan of Jai Lai.

But yeah, that is funny, an honest mistake. I knew he had something with Alabama lol....

[RedTeamGo!]

Curious: I had to take care of the little one for part of the end of the game. Did Burfict get a flag for running into the tunnel with the ball after the INT?

[dubc47834]

I just went to the bathroom. What happened in this thread?

Corn or beans? Seams popular in this thread!

[RiverRat13]

It is interesting to note that over the last seven years, the Bengals, Steelers and Ravens have all fiercely competed for the AFC North. There's bad blood between the Ravens and Steelers. There's bad blood between the Steelers and Bengals. Yet there's no bad blood between the Ravens and Bengals.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don't follow sports where they have male cheerleaders

Haha. What a weird reason to not like something. That seems like sexism/discrimination, but I guess that is a topic for another subforum! :eek:

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One good thing that happened during the game: My 6 week old son rolled over for the first time while I was watching it.

So, that was cool.

[wolfboy]

Curious: I had to take care of the little one for part of the end of the game. Did Burfict get a flag for running into the tunnel with the ball after the INT?

No, and I'm not sure why he didn't. Further evidence for me that the refs were in over their heads in this game.

[wolfboy]

Haha. What a weird reason to not like something. That seems like sexism/discrimination, but I guess that is a topic for another subforum! :eek:

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One good thing that happened during the game: My 6 week old son rolled over for the first time while I was watching it.

So, that was cool.

And that's the important stuff. They grow up too damn quick while we're sitting around thinking about inane crap like whether a flag should have been thrown in a football game. Exciting stuff for you!

[Dom Heffner]

Haha. What a weird reason to not like something. That seems like sexism/discrimination, but I guess that is a topic for another subforum! :eek:

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One good thing that happened during the game: My 6 week old son rolled over for the first time while I was watching it.

So, that was cool.

College sports, the only place you get football scores of 54-0. Oh look at us, we won this week because we agreed to play Little Acorn State. The AP voters (what on earth?) rank us 2 spots higher for it!

Anyone up for a.....marching band? HAHAH.

[wolfboy]

College sports, the only place you get football scores of 54-0. Oh look at us, we won this week because we agreed to play Little Acorn State. The AP voters (what on earth?) rank us 2 spots higher for it!

At least college sports is beginning to embrace honesty. Finally coming around to paying players and openly treating every non P-5 school like an unwanted stepchild. But that's another conversation.

[Dom Heffner]

It is interesting to note that over the last seven years, the Bengals, Steelers and Ravens have all fiercely competed for the AFC North. There's bad blood between the Ravens and Steelers. There's bad blood between the Steelers and Bengals. Yet there's no bad blood between the Ravens and Bengals.

Bingo.

And that is what we are pointing out. They are the problem.

[WrongVerb]

Honest question to the Bengals fans.... Are you happy with the way your team lost that game?

I know you're not happy about losing, but losing a certain way is easier than others. Im just saying that if my Colts lost that way, I would be pissed. Not at the other team, but my team/players. As they lost that game...just me I guess.

I'm not. I think the entire team checked out mentally after the interception. That includes the coaches who should have realized that a rain slick ball was easy to be stripped or dropped, so taking a knee and kicking a FG was the best option. Worst case you're up by a point with less than a minute to go, no time outs for PIT, and either Jones or a Ben with a bum shoulder trying to move the team down the field. I hate the Patriots as much as anyone, but this is what Belichek would have reasoned and done. It's why he's a winner.

That said, the Bengals still had this game in their pocket until the meltdown in the final 30 seconds. If Jones just turns to the official and asks why Porter is talking to Bengals players, that's a 15 yard penalty on the Steelers moving them totally out of FG range. (Would have been nice if Burfict had thrown his hands up and turned his body as he collided with Brown, too. Dumb play trying to blow him up there.)

Make no mistake, in the end the Bengals did beat the Bengals as Dunlap said. It was dirty as hell on both sides, with bad calls and non-calls by the refs, and still entertaining enough that we've had 1000 posts on the game since the end of it.

I said at the time that I've not been this emotionally invested in a sporting event in over 20 years and honestly it's been fun as hell in a lot of ways. Bengals will be back next year, and I'm going to enjoy WWIII on week 1 (or more likely week 4 when Burfict comes out of suspension).

[Dom Heffner]

At least college sports is beginning to embrace honesty. Finally coming around to paying players and openly treating every non P-5 school like an unwanted stepchild. But that's another conversation.

A 70 year old man comes and sits in your living room and convinces you to come play somewhere.

It's bizarre.

The whole thing is weird.

Watching college football to me has always been strange. I'm in the minority, I know.

[wolfboy]

I'm not. I think the entire team checked out mentally after the interception. That includes the coaches who should have realized that a rain slick ball was easy to be stripped or dropped, so taking a knee and kicking a FG was the best option. Worst case you're up by a point with less than a minute to go, no time outs for PIT, and either Jones or a Ben with a bum shoulder trying to move the team down the field. I hate the Patriots as much as anyone, but this is what Belichek would have reasoned and done. It's why he's a winner.

That said, the Bengals still had this game in their pocket until the meltdown in the final 30 seconds. If Jones just turns to the official and asks why Porter is talking to Bengals players, that's a 15 yard penalty on the Steelers moving them totally out of FG range. (Would have been nice if Burfict had thrown his hands up and turned his body as he collided with Brown, too. Dumb play trying to blow him up there.)

Make no mistake, in the end the Bengals did beat the Bengals as Dunlap said. It was dirty as hell on both sides, with bad calls and non-calls by the refs, and still entertaining enough that we've had 1000 posts on the game since the end of it.

I said at the time that I've not been this emotionally invested in a sporting event in over 20 years and honestly it's been fun as hell in a lot of ways. Bengals will be back next year, and I'm going to enjoy WWIII on week 1 (or more likely week 4 when Burfict comes out of suspension).

I couldn't agree more with that first paragraph. And amidst all the talk about the inmates running the ship, the media has put little focus on Marvin's huge tactical error at the end of that game. Hell, even taking a knee three times and punting it would have backed Pittsburgh up with no timeouts, having to drive the length of the field with either Jones or one-wing Ben.

[RiverRat13]

I'm not. I think the entire team checked out mentally after the interception. That includes the coaches who should have realized that a rain slick ball was easy to be stripped or dropped, so taking a knee and kicking a FG was the best option. Worst case you're up by a point with less than a minute to go, no time outs for PIT, and either Jones or a Ben with a bum shoulder trying to move the team down the field. I hate the Patriots as much as anyone, but this is what Belichek would have reasoned and done. It's why he's a winner.

I don't think there's a coach alive that takes three knees there. I would guess the odds are much higher that Nugent misses a 45-50 yard FG (remember, you lose yards when you take a knee) than Hill fumbling.

[SteelSD]

DeCastro (same guy fined for bashing Gilberry's helmet into the ground) drove Burfict 10 yards and near the endzone after the whistle. Should have been a penalty. I'm willing to go through them all if you are.

Thoughts on Shazier's dancing/celebration while Gio was on the ground? Is that penalty worthy? Fine worthy?

I don't think the game was called uneven. The Pac Man/Porter situation stinks but at that point the Bengals were going to find a way to lose anyway. But the game's most egregious error worked in favor of the Steelers. What should have been first and goal instead was a turnover. And Shazier's behavior afterwards was disgusting.

Neither of those things were penalty-worthy. Decastro was in the process of blocking. Shazier was celebrating a turnover- not an injury. The guy still had the ball in his hand. If you're disgusted by that then you may want to watch more golf or tennis and less football.

[wolfboy]

Neither of those things were penalty-worthy. Decastro was in the process of blocking. Shazier was celebrating a turnover- not an injury. The guy still had the ball in his hand. If you're disgusted by that then you may want to watch more golf or tennis and less football.

Well, in fairness, if Shazier doesn't deserve a penalty then Burfict doesn't deserve a penalty for running down the tunnel, right?

[wolfboy]

I don't think there's a coach alive that takes three knees there. I would guess the odds are much higher that Nugent misses a 45-50 yard FG (remember, you lose yards when you take a knee) than Hill fumbling.

Hill is almost notorious for his ability to cough up the ball. He got benched for it earlier this year. Hell, run Burkhead out there three times. But the truth is, Marvin was so caught up in his first playoff win that he didn't even realize he'd lost it.

[dubc47834]

I'm not. I think the entire team checked out mentally after the interception. That includes the coaches who should have realized that a rain slick ball was easy to be stripped or dropped, so taking a knee and kicking a FG was the best option. Worst case you're up by a point with less than a minute to go, no time outs for PIT, and either Jones or a Ben with a bum shoulder trying to move the team down the field. I hate the Patriots as much as anyone, but this is what Belichek would have reasoned and done. It's why he's a winner.

That said, the Bengals still had this game in their pocket until the meltdown in the final 30 seconds. If Jones just turns to the official and asks why Porter is talking to Bengals players, that's a 15 yard penalty on the Steelers moving them totally out of FG range. (Would have been nice if Burfict had thrown his hands up and turned his body as he collided with Brown, too. Dumb play trying to blow him up there.)

Make no mistake, in the end the Bengals did beat the Bengals as Dunlap said. It was dirty as hell on both sides, with bad calls and non-calls by the refs, and still entertaining enough that we've had 1000 posts on the game since the end of it.

I said at the time that I've not been this emotionally invested in a sporting event in over 20 years and honestly it's been fun as hell in a lot of ways. Bengals will be back next year, and I'm going to enjoy WWIII on week 1 (or more likely week 4 when Burfict comes out of suspension).

To be honest, coming into these 2 threads I had no idea it was gonna be this epic. Which kinda led to my butt hurt comment, I know that it wasn't the brightest idea, but it's how I felt. Shoulda used a more board friendly term. What's done is done! This kinda reminds me of the IU/UK & IU/Purdue rivalries in CBB. I knew the Bengals/Steelers rivalry was big time(Dusty Baker reference there), but didn't expect this!!! :beerme:

[jojo]

It is funny because of how much he hates Alabama. It is like calling you a Steelers fan.

I am actually amazed he didn't make a comment about it.

I simply pointed out how his reference made no sense. But ya, he's been flailing all over the place on this one.

[Dom Heffner]

To be honest, coming into these 2 threads I had no idea it was gonna be this epic. Which kinda led to my butt hurt comment, I know that it wasn't the brightest idea, but it's how I felt. Shoulda used a more board friendly term. What's done is done! This kinda reminds me of the IU/UK & IU/Purdue rivalries in CBB. I knew the Bengals/Steelers rivalry was big time(Dusty Baker reference there), but didn't expect this!!! :beerme:

Sports is really one of the last topics on earth where you can let loose a bit. It's fun. It's never personal for me, this is how sports fans talk.

[Dom Heffner]

I simply pointed out how his reference made no sense. But ya, he's been flailing all over the place on this one.

Now you can get someone to gang up on me!

Nice add on there when he didn't even comment about the thread. You really got me, buddy!

Steeler beans for you!

[wolfboy]

Now you can get someone to gang up on me!

Nice add on there when he didn't even comment about the thread. You really got me, buddy!

Steeler beans for you!

Dom, we've all judged you and found your collection of Steeler beans wanting.

[jojo]

Now you can get someone to gang up on me!

Nice add on there when he didn't even comment about the thread. You really got me, buddy!

Steeler beans for you!

You suck at this.

MAGIC HIT BEANS

[Bob Sheed]

Hill is almost notorious for his ability to cough up the ball. He got benched for it earlier this year. Hell, run Burkhead out there three times. But the truth is, Marvin was so caught up in his first playoff win that he didn't even realize he'd lost it.

Would have been Bernard with the rock there normally... if it wasn't for the whole no-call crown of helmet to helmet of course.

That was why Burfict ran down the tunnel too. To give Bernard the game ball. Because of the flagrant no-call.

That's when the refs lost control of the game, and the reason they lost control is because it became crystal clear that the game was not being officiated in a even manner.

I would tell Taz... "change nothing, but next time hit Brown harder so he doesn't need to put on a show."

Seriously... Tomlin says in post game "Brown is concussed." 2 days later? Magically cleared to play!

Next time up the dirty, Bengals. It's the only way.

[RiverRat13]

Neither of those things were penalty-worthy. Decastro was in the process of blocking. Shazier was celebrating a turnover- not an injury. The guy still had the ball in his hand. If you're disgusted by that then you may want to watch more golf or tennis and less football.

So your stance is basically everything the Steelers did was okay but the Bengals got away with more than what was called. Got it. Thanks for letting us know you're unwilling to bring any objectivity to the discussion.

Celebrating like that when someone is still being attended to is considered wrong even in football. Had that been Burfict, Steeler fans would have been crying bloody murder.

[Dom Heffner]

Dom, we've all judged you and found your collection of Steeler beans wanting.

I"m just taking hints on how to win!

#winningwithbeans7fontsize

[SteelSD]

Well, in fairness, if Shazier doesn't deserve a penalty then Burfict doesn't deserve a penalty for running down the tunnel, right?

Not even close to the same thing. You know that.

[Dom Heffner]

So your stance is basically everything the Steelers did was okay but the Bengals got away with more than what was called. Got it. Thanks for letting us know you're unwilling to bring any objectivity to the discussion.

Celebrating like that when someone is still being attended to is considered wrong even in football. Had that been Burfict, Steeler fans would have been crying bloody murder.

Where have you been, the bathroom? Yes!

SteelSD is like the uber cool Star Wars fan. It makes no sense. He likes something that isn't even made for him.

I have a friend who is just the nicest guy in the world. Church going, giving, I mean he is the epitome of nice.

And there he is on his Cincinnati farm with his family dressed up in Hines Ward jerseys.

They really have no self awareness. None.

They are worse than Yankee fans. They are worse than Cardinal fans.

I would root for ISIS over the Steelers. I would. And their fans.

[wolfboy]

I"m just taking hints on how to win!

#winningwithbeans7fontsize

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[gonelong]

Neither of those things were penalty-worthy. Decastro was in the process of blocking.

Decastro was in the process of blocking 8-10 yards *after* the whistle had blown. Frankly, in a normal game, if it was an isolated incident, I could see letting this go. In this game it was a mistake on the officials to do so. This wasn't going to be a garden variety game and that was well known prior to kickoff. Not only do the teams have a beef, but these two players have a personal beef. The officials lost a change to reign things in there and did not. At worst they should have tossed off-setting penalty flags.


Shazier was celebrating a turnover- not an injury.

Matter of opinion. I don't blame anybody on the Cincy sideline for seeing that much, much, much differently.

GL

[wolfboy]

Not even close to the same thing. You know that.

I honestly don't. I mean, Shazier celbrated three different times. Burfict ran down the field into the tunnel. They should have both been flagged because they were both preposterous. But I'm legitimately interested in how you could draw a distinction between the two under the rules.

[SteelSD]

So your stance is basically everything the Steelers did was okay but the Bengals got away with more than what was called. Got it. Thanks for letting us know you're unwilling to bring any objectivity to the discussion.

Celebrating like that when someone is still being attended to is considered wrong even in football. Had that been Burfict, Steeler fans would have been crying bloody murder.

Way to reduce a discussion to the lowest denominator. Steelers fans = bad. Bengal fans = good. Therefore Steeler fans non-objective! Really your post reads as nothing more than that.

Again, celebrating a turnover is WAY different than celebrating an injury. Only Burfict has a history of doing the latter (see: Bell injury). I felt it was sort of silly when Burfict the did that and figured that he'd eventually feel the result so put no more thought into it; certainly not bloody murder. LOL.

I think you need to understand that most Steelers fans don't really think about the Bengals very much and regardless of what's gone on this year we really don't dislike the Bengals that much either. We save most of our distain for the Ravens as they've simply represented more of a threat than the Bengals have. Sorry to dissapoint ya, but I'd have actually been rooting for the Bengals had they won.

[Dom Heffner]

Way to reduce a discussion to the lowest denominator. Steelers fans = bad. Bengal fans = good. Therefore Steeler fans non-objective! Really your post reads as nothing more than that.

Again, celebrating a turnover is WAY different than celebrating an injury. Only Burfict has a history of doing the latter (see: Bell injury). I felt it was sort of silly when Burfict the did that and figured that he'd eventually feel the result so put no more thought into it; certainly not bloody murder. LOL.

I think you need to understand that most Steelers fans don't really think about the Bengals very much and regardless of what's gone on this year we really don't dislike the Bengals that much either. We save most of our distance for the Ravens as they've simply represented more of a threat than the Bengals have. Sorry to dissapoint ya, but I'd have actually been rooting for the Bengals had they won.

ISIS.

[alwaysawarrior]

So your stance is basically everything the Steelers did was okay but the Bengals got away with more than what was called. Got it. Thanks for letting us know you're unwilling to bring any objectivity to the discussion.

Celebrating like that when someone is still being attended to is considered wrong even in football. Had that been Burfict, Steeler fans would have been crying bloody murder.

They did cry bloody murder over much less celebrating when Burfict hit Bell. Shazier was obviously dancing after he obviously knew Bernard was seriously injured.

[SteelSD]

I honestly don't. I mean, Shazier celbrated three different times. Burfict ran down the field into the tunnel. They should have both been flagged because they were both preposterous. But I'm legitimately interested in how you could draw a distinction between the two under the rules.

You'll need to explain "three times" and I sure hope you're not citing Shazier running toward the end zone as one of them. That was smart just in case the whistle didn't really blow the play dead early. And do you really think that a player might not celebrate a turnover before seeing that the refs got it wrong and then after getting a proper reversal on a botched call? Do you honestly think that players have all the info we do about a play like we do at home with the benefit of instantaneous replays and announcers? Do you think that prior to the reversal Shazier may have still been on the field because he wasn't sure the offense would be coming onto it?

There are quite a few things you haven't considered methinks...

[wolfboy]

They did cry bloody murder over much less celebrating when Burfict hit Bell. Shazier was obviously dancing after he obviously knew Bernard was seriously injured.

I think in this shot Burfict is trying to stab Brown while he's not looking. Thank God that Steelers coach intervened and shoved Burfict away. Otherwise, a shove is a flag, right?


https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/M2fJCdBi_hVLoXjNiyNaY2t9Qow=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/5891477/burfict-1.0.gif

[wolfboy]

You'll need to explain "three times" and I sure hope you're not citing Shazier running toward the end zone as one of them. That was smart just in case the whistle didn't really blow the play dead early. And do you really think that a player might not celebrate a turnover before seeing that the refs got it wrong and then after getting a proper reversal on a botched call? Do you honestly think that players have all the info we do about a play like we do at home with the benefit of instantaneous replays and announcers? Do you think that prior to the reversal Shazier may have still been on the field because he wasn't sure the offense would be coming onto it?

There are quite a few things you haven't considered methinks...

Steel, the point is he has no business conducting a two player dance at midfield. If that's any TD it gets flagged every time and you can't even argue to the contrary. Even if he wasn't celebrating the injury (I'm not going to pretend I know what's in his head), it's still a penalty. The standard is excessive celebration, not celebrating an injury.

[Hoosier Red]

Honest question to the Bengals fans.... Are you happy with the way your team lost that game?

I know you're not happy about losing, but losing a certain way is easier than others. Im just saying that if my Colts lost that way, I would be pissed. Not at the other team, but my team/players. As they lost that game...just me I guess.

Of course not. And I think every Bengals fan who has posted has said in some combination one of two things; 1) Burfict's penalty was reckless and stupid and was properly called a penalty. 2) Jones' penalty was also stupid, he should not have retaliated to Porter.

However, acknowledging the poor reactions of two particular players does not preclude someone from pointing out the selective nature in how the penalties were enforced and pointing out the flaws in the overarching storylines that came out of the game.

[Brutus]

I think in this shot Burfict is trying to stab Brown while he's not looking. Thank God that Steelers coach intervened and shoved Burfict away. Otherwise, a shove is a flag, right?


https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/M2fJCdBi_hVLoXjNiyNaY2t9Qow=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/5891477/burfict-1.0.gif

That criminal Burfict, trying to console Brown for the hit. How dare he give Brown a friendly gesture?!

[SteelSD]

Steel, the point is he has no business conducting a two player dance at midfield. If that's any TD it gets flagged every time and you can't even argue to the contrary. Even if he wasn't celebrating the injury (I'm not going to pretend I know what's in his head), it's still a penalty. The standard is excessive celebration, not celebrating an injury.

No. The point is that ANY celebration isn't an excessive celebration. If we disagree as to what excessive actually is or should be then we should just probably move on.

[wolfboy]

That criminal Burfict, trying to console Brown for the hit. How dare he give Brown a friendly gesture?!

Look, I'm not going to pretend that our guys didn't have blame on this as well. Look at Gilberry at the end. But that's the same Steelers coach that was out there forming a human protection shield around Shazier while he danced at mid-field. I'll embrace the Bengals are thugs tag as soon as the Steelers own up to theirs.

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No. The point is that ANY celebration isn't an excessive celebration. If we disagree as to what excessive actually is or should be then we should just probably move on.

So just to be clear: bringing the ball back to mid-field and doing a coordinated dance on the Bengals logo is not excessive?

[WrongVerb]

No. The point is that ANY celebration isn't an excessive celebration. If we disagree as to what excessive actually is or should be then we should just probably move on.

Really? Let's quote the NFL Rule Book (http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf):


TAUNTING
(c) The use of baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams.
(d) Individual players involved in prolonged or excessive celebrations. Players are prohibited from
engaging in any celebrations while on the ground. A celebration shall be deemed excessive or
prolonged if a player continues to celebrate after a warning from an official.
(e) Two-or-more players engage in prolonged, excessive, premeditated, or choreographed celebrations.
(f) Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform during the game
on the field or the sideline, or using the ball as a prop.

[wolfboy]

(g) Taunting, as used in this rule, shall not mean any activity engaged in by players or coaches of the Pittsburgh Steelers


You forgot subsection (g)

[RedTeamGo!]

Whoa, harsh words by Boomer Esiason:

http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/cincinnati-bengals-pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-playoffs-meltdown-boomer-esiason-011116


"This was a disgraceful performance by the Cincinnati Bengals," said CBS analyst Boomer Esiason, the quarterback of Cincinnati's 1988 Super Bowl team.


"An ugly performance by one Vontaze Burfict, who should not only be fined, but suspended for a significant amount of time. The guy is a danger on the field to opposing football players.

"I'm a former Bengal and I'm embarrassed by the way this game ended and by the way these guys acted on the field (Saturday night). I feel bad for Marvin Lewis.

"And I'll tell you one thing, if Marvin Lewis can't control his players, maybe Marvin Lewis shouldn't be standing there on the sidelines coaching."

[wolfboy]

Whoa, harsh words by Boomer Esiason:

http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/cincinnati-bengals-pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-playoffs-meltdown-boomer-esiason-011116

Joey Porter's opinion matters more to me than Norman's.

[Hoosier Red]

Whoa, harsh words by Boomer Esiason:

http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/cincinnati-bengals-pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-playoffs-meltdown-boomer-esiason-011116

Yup Boomers making sure his high horse doesn't get rusty.

When he says it's an ugly performance by Vontaze Burfict, is he talking about one play? Because my guess is that if you take away that one play, he's singing Tez's praises.
That's why the narrative breaks down in my mind, if you're criticizing the one play, then criticize that play.
But if you're criticizing the man beyond that play, then you have to balance the good with the bad and at least attempt to see where the balance on the scale lands.

[Redsfaithful]

That criminal Burfict, trying to console Brown for the hit. How dare he give Brown a friendly gesture?!

Ugly gif, ref looks right at Porter talking, even appears to speak to him ... no flag.

[Redsfaithful]

The Steelers are that old saying, if you think everyone's a jerk, you probably oughta look in the mirror.

I said in the last thread, they have problems with the Ravens, they have problems with the Bengals. They had many problems with the Broncos a few weeks ago.

The Bengals have a hot rivalry with the Ravens, but this stuff doesn't happen. They played the Broncos right after the Steelers did, clean football game.

There's a common denominator here, but Steelers fans don't want to admit it. Maybe I wouldn't want to either, although I would like to think I'd be self aware enough to own it. But no, Steelers fans want their team to win dirty and be praised by everyone for how clean and tough they are.

[RiverRat13]

Perfect example of Steeler fans mindset:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/11/Ray-Fittipaldo-s-Steelers-chat-transcript-1-11-16/stories/201601110149

Summary: every Bengal is dirty. Any act the Steelers might have done was basically gamesmanship. They are blameless.

[Dom Heffner]

Whoa, harsh words by Boomer Esiason:

http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/cincinnati-bengals-pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-playoffs-meltdown-boomer-esiason-011116

So Mike Tomlin shouldn't be fired because they won! Nice point Boomer. Thanks for the 0 TD passes against the Niners! Nice job!

[WVRed]

Stephen A Smith calling for Marvin Lewis to be fired, probably so he can call the Bengals "racist" when it happens.

[CTA513]

Perfect example of Steeler fans mindset:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/11/Ray-Fittipaldo-s-Steelers-chat-transcript-1-11-16/stories/201601110149

Summary: every Bengal is dirty. Any act the Steelers might have done was basically gamesmanship. They are blameless.

thats how it always is, no matter what year it is.

[Bob Sheed]

Boomer knows where his bread is buttered and it sure isn't the Cincinnati Bengals.

The Bengals actually ran Boomer out of town, for all you history buffs.

Shock Alert: I'll bet Collinsworth would be equally critical.

[CTA513]

Ugly gif, ref looks right at Porter talking, even appears to speak to him ... no flag.

Bengals are lucky Porter didn't have his friends with him or he would have jumped one of them like he did to Levi Jones years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwgniB0e_VE

[westofyou]

Boomer knows where his bread is buttered and it sure isn't the Cincinnati Bengals.

The Bengals actually ran Boomer out of town, for all you history buffs.

Shock Alert: I'll bet Collinsworth would be equally critical.
Cris was, a tad less critical, he also was wondering wtf Porter was doing

[RiverRat13]

Favorite quote from that article I posted:

"DE jd: Do we really have to keep hearing about how what the Bengals did was legal hits & Brown faking a concussion. Packman is just that a packrat & vontase is brutally creepy.

Ray Fittipaldo: Pacman has said that to multiple people in the past few days. He told Michael Silver that and he told Dan Patrick the same thing today. In an era when head injuries should unite all football players it merely demonstrates the type of person Jones is. He has no respect for the game and no respect for his fellow player."

Except you go ahead and dance at midfield Ryan Shazier. No big deal that Bernard has been down for three minutes.

[CTA513]

adam jones interview with dan patrick:
http://www.danpatrick.com/2016/01/11/bengals-adam-jones-antonio-brown-was-faking-at-end-of-game/

talks about porter, hit on brown and says that steelers (points out the center) were kicking players after plays

[WrongVerb]

Speaking of the Steelers' center (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14550037/denver-broncos-look-field-retaliation-pittsburgh-steelers):


That doesn't mean the Broncos are any happier about what Steelers center Cody Wallace did to safety David Bruton Jr. last month at Heinz Field.


"It's not going to be anything as far as cheap or anything," said Broncos safety Darian Stewart. "We're going to get them between the lines, between the plays, the whistle. So I mean, he's going to be sore after the game. That's how I see it, man. He comes out on a screen, he better not come at [me]. I'm cutting him. That's where I'm at with it."

"Last time" was the Steelers' 34-27 victory Dec. 20. In the first quarter, Bruton was hit helmet-to-helmet by Wallace after Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown had been tackled.

[SteelSD]

I think in this shot Burfict is trying to stab Brown while he's not looking. Thank God that Steelers coach intervened and shoved Burfict away. Otherwise, a shove is a flag, right?


https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/M2fJCdBi_hVLoXjNiyNaY2t9Qow=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/5891477/burfict-1.0.gif

So all you got out of that video is Burfict being kind? Didn't see 1) Burfict shoving the medical assistant 2) Gilberry intentionally slamming into Porter?

Seriously, man. You're making fun of a video where a much younger and almost infinitely stronger individual is, with intent, pushing a much older man trying to do his job to help an injured player off the field and then a player cowardly shoves a coach from behind with a shoulder.

I'd have to say, that video (and your response to it) sums up the Bengals pretty well at this point.

[wolfboy]

Speaking of the Steelers' center (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14550037/denver-broncos-look-field-retaliation-pittsburgh-steelers):

That play infuriated me and I'm not even a Broncos fan. I am this week.

[wolfboy]

So all you got out of that video is Burfict being kind? Didn't see 1) Burfict shoving the medical assistant 2) Gilberry intentionally slamming into Porter?

Seriously, man. You're making fun of a video where a much younger and almost infinitely stronger individual is, with intent, pushing a much older man trying to do his job to help an injured player off the field and then a player cowardly shoves a coach from behind with a shoulder.

I'd have to say, that video (and your response to it) sums up the Bengals pretty well at this point.

He shoves Burfict. Get your eyes checked.

[WVRed]

Burfict suspended three games according to the Worldwide Leader.

Week 1 or Week 4 we play the Steelers in Pittsburgh on Sunday night football?

Actually it'll probably be Cincinnati. Free battery giveaway anyone?

[SteelSD]

He shoves Burfict. Get your eyes checked.

Yeah, the 60+ year-old coach SHOVES a padded NFL player. Burfict was the way of attempting to assist Brown off the field which caused the contact (contact which held the assistant's arm back). Apparently the old man is strong enough to shove Burfict's arm into his OWN chest and throat area and all the way into Joey Porter's headset?

I want what some of that aged medical assistant is eating for breakfast and some of what you've been smoking.

But prior to that version of the video, I hadn't seen Gilberry's gutless shoulder shake to Porter's back, so thank you for both the hilarity and the additional info.

[Dom Heffner]

Yeah, the 60+ year-old coach SHOVES a padded NFL player. Burfict was the way of attempting to assist Brown off the field which caused the contact (contact which held the assistant's arm back). Apparently the old man is strong enough to shove Burfict's arm into his OWN chest and throat area and all the way into Joey Porter's headset?

I want what some of that aged medical assistant is eating for breakfast and some of what you've been smoking.

But prior to that version of the video, I hadn't seen Gilberry's gutless shoulder shake to Porter's back, so thank you for both the hilarity and the additional info.

I thought you were in the bathroom at that point.

[RedTeamGo!]

I just saw a report that it is very unlikely Antonio Brown will play against the Patriots

[WrongVerb]

I thought you were in the bathroom at that point.

Well, his opinions about what that video shows do belong in the toilet.

[jojo]

I thought you were in the bathroom at that point.

Seriously, what is your fixation on potty all about?

[SteelSD]

I thought you were in the bathroom at that point.

I was; which is why I didn't see any live video of Burfict accosting a senior citizen or Gilberry's cheap shot. It's unfortunate that the Bengals have attempted to be the Cowboys of the AFC. I mean, even teams like the Patriots can be successful with a couple bad eggs around, but it seems like the lack of character has hit epidemic levels with the Bengals. That's too bad, because they're a fun team to watch when they're not busy self-destructing.

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I just a report that it is very unlikely Antonio Brown will play against the Patriots

That makes total sense because the Steelers play the Broncos.

[dubc47834]

I just a report that it is very unlikely Antonio Brown will play against the Patriots

100% definitely out of the Patriots game...still havent heard if he's playin the Broncos tho...:thumbup:

[KoryMac5]

I would imagine Burfict will appeal and get it reduced to something like 2 games. It might be a good wake up call for a very talented player.

[SteelSD]

Seriously, what is your fixation on potty all about?

I went to the bathroom when it was obvious that Brown would require an injury time out. I came back after the flag on Jones for...well, being Adam Jones...and asked what happened. I was immediately labeled a troll for having the audacity to ask what happened and accused of a conspiracy. The usual Dom stuff...

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh, whoops, the report remains the same, just change patriots to Broncos.

[Redsfaithful]

but it seems like the lack of character has hit epidemic levels with the Bengals. That's too bad[/COLOR]


blah blah blah

You root for the dirtiest team in sports.

[Playadlc]

The Steelers are that old saying, if you think everyone's a jerk, you probably oughta look in the mirror.

I said in the last thread, they have problems with the Ravens, they have problems with the Bengals. They had many problems with the Broncos a few weeks ago.

The Bengals have a hot rivalry with the Ravens, but this stuff doesn't happen. They played the Broncos right after the Steelers did, clean football game.

There's a common denominator here, but Steelers fans don't want to admit it. Maybe I wouldn't want to either, although I would like to think I'd be self aware enough to own it. But no, Steelers fans want their team to win dirty and be praised by everyone for how clean and tough they are.

This is spot on.

[RedTeamGo!]

It might be a good wake up call for a very talented player.

Spoiler alert: it won't be

[SteelSD]

blah blah blah

You root for the dirtiest team in sports.

I am NOT a Ravens fan.

[Redsfaithful]

I am NOT a Ravens fan.

Close, I agree, but the Steelers are worse. The Ravens dirt is more off the field.

[RiverRat13]

Spoiler alert: it won't be

Yeah, I'm not thrilled with Marvin defending Burfict. This was going to happen at some point. The guy blurs the line and flat out goes over it too many times. Marvin seems to be excusing it. It is very Mike Tomlin of him to do so.

[jojo]

blah blah blah

You root for the dirtiest team in sports.

I thought it's been established that he's not a bengals fan?

[SteelSD]

Close, I agree, but the Steelers are worse. The Ravens dirt is more off the field.

The Ravens have consistently put bounties out on other players by admission (See: Terrell Suggs v Rashard Mendenhall and Hines Ward). After the game where he broke Mendenhall's collarbone, Ray Lewis said "After the play, I wasn't screaming 'he's hurt.' I was screaming 'he's done.'"

You have to get to an altogether different level of dirt to match the Ravens over the past few years.

[westofyou]

Mmmmm meta commentary again

Taste's good in my kudzu salad

[Dom Heffner]

Seriously, what is your fixation on potty all about?

You're flailing.

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Mmmmm meta commentary again

Taste's good in my kudzu salad

I hear they are really polite here: http://www.marinercentral.com/forum/index.php?/forum/3-the-show/

[Dom Heffner]

I was; which is why I didn't see any live video of Burfict accosting a senior citizen or Gilberry's cheap shot. It's unfortunate that the Bengals have attempted to be the Cowboys of the AFC. I mean, even teams like the Patriots can be successful with a couple bad eggs around, but it seems like the lack of character has hit epidemic levels with the Bengals. That's too bad, because they're a fun team to watch when they're not busy self-destructing.

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That makes total sense because the Steelers play the Broncos.

They are saying he's out against Denver.

Good luck!

[SteelSD]

They are saying he's out against Denver.

Good luck!

But...but...he couldn't be! He was faking, right?

[RedTeamGo!]

All snipes aside. I hate the Steelers but it's a bummer Brown is out for an outsider fan. He's one of the most electrifying offensive players in football and I enjoy watching him play.

[Dom Heffner]

But...but...he couldn't be! He was faking, right?

Listen- I know you got knocked out one year by Tim Tebow, that's no need to take it out on me.

[Dom Heffner]

All snipes aside. I hate the Steelers but it's a bummer Brown is out for an outsider fan. He's one of the most electrifying offensive players in football and I enjoy watching him play.

I feel the same way.

I really wish them luck without him.

And I hope through some miracle of God that Ben's shoulder is okay.

[Dom Heffner]

10241

This is your head coach.

[Dom Heffner]

10242

This is another coach.

[SteelSD]

Listen- I know you got knocked out one year by Tim Tebow, that's no need to take it out on me.

Dude, I was at that game in Denver. It was the walk of shame afterwards. Eww...

Below the belt man. Below. :cry:

[Dom Heffner]

Dude, I was at that game in Denver. It was the walk of shame afterwards. Eww...

Below the belt man. Below. :cry:

Okay. Okay, fair enough.

[SteelSD]

Okay. Okay, fair enough.

Thank you. Now, would it be ok if I go to the restroom quickly? Would hate to come back, miss a post, and be accused of trolling.

I'll await your reply, but I REALLY have to go...

[SteelSD]

<taps foot>

C'mon...Dom...

[Dom Heffner]

<taps foot>

C'mon...Dom...

You can go to the bathroom, but you can't ask what happened.

They have apps and Google for that.

[SteelSD]

Ok, I'm back. Did Adam Jones do anything stupid while I was gone?

Might not seem like it on the surface, but I think that's a legitimate question.

[wolfboy]

Ok, I'm back. Did Adam Jones do anything stupid while I was gone?

Might not seem like it on the surface, but I think that's a legitimate question.

He accused you of faking the potty trip.

[RedTeamGo!]

I just drank my third beer. Upcoming potty trip is inevitable.

[Dom Heffner]

I just drank my third beer. Upcoming potty trip is inevitable.

IPA?

[RedTeamGo!]

IPA?

I pretty much only drink IPA.

Tonight I'm drinking Uinta Brewing Hop Nosh IPA.

One of my favorites.

[Dom Heffner]

I pretty much only drink IPA.

Tonight I'm drinking Uinta Brewing Hop Nosh IPA.

One of my favorites.

I had the Walking Dead last week. Blood orange peel.

Hated it at first, then I loved it.

[Redhook]

IPA?

Why yes I am. New Belgium Ranger.

[wolfboy]

Gave up beer. It was making me fat. :( More accurately, I made too much beer get in mah belly, which then mad me fat.

[RedTeamGo!]

I had the Walking Dead last week. Blood orange peel.

Hated it at first, then I loved it.

I haven't had that one yet, but I love the Terrapin Hopsecutioner.

My all time favorite is the NoDa Hop Drop N Roll, which you can only get in North Carolina right now. If you ever travel through Charlotte, make a special trip to NoDa Brewing Company and get a hop drop, trust me.

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Why yes I am. New Belgium Ranger.

Man, I love Ranger, it's a go-to.

[RedTeamGo!]

Redhook, are you aware there is a Redhook Brewery?

[SteelSD]

He accused you of faking the potty trip.

When he did that, did he at least get my name right?

[dabvu2498]

I pretty much only drink IPA.

Tonight I'm drinking Uinta Brewing Hop Nosh IPA.

One of my favorites.

Convenient that you live in the best IPA city east of the Mississippi... White Rajah... Mmmmmm.