College Football 2016

[Chip R]

Look who (or should I say Whooooooo) is showing up at Michigan's signing day.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2611912-ric-flair-to-join-celebrity-cast-for-michigans-signing-of-the-stars-event

[BuckeyeRed27]

I've read about this thing they are doing. Why are they doing it? I don't quite get it.

[Boston Red]

Why are they doing it?


I think it has something to do with Harbaugh being a lunatic.

[Chip R]

I've read about this thing they are doing. Why are they doing it? I don't quite get it.

I'm guessing that they are trying to make signing day an event. Sign with Michigan and you get to meet and greet with all these people.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm guessing that they are trying to make signing day an event. Sign with Michigan and you get to meet and greet with all these people.

Yeah I guess so. I mean normally the kids aren't on campus on signing day though, which makes this all a little weird.

[Chip R]

Yeah I guess so. I mean normally the kids aren't on campus on signing day though, which makes this all a little weird.

Maybe that's something that gets them to come and sign there and have a shindig. I dunno. It used to be that spring games was some sort of casual affair that drew a handful of people. Now they are filling places like Ohio Stadium and the games are shown on ESPN.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Maybe that's something that gets them to come and sign there and have a shindig. I dunno. It used to be that spring games was some sort of casual affair that drew a handful of people. Now they are filling places like Ohio Stadium and the games are shown on ESPN.

True enough. Maybe they will start a trend. Might be a bit of an uphill battle since most of the kids don't live right by campus and it technically is a school day.

[IslandRed]

Schools have been having signing day events of some kind for awhile now. They're generally fan events, not welcome parties for the signees themselves. But since Michigan's is invite-only, it's not clear who it's for, exactly.

[Chip R]

The NCAA has banned satellite camps effective immediately.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15162704/ncaa-bans-satellite-camps-effective-immediately

[WVRed]

The NCAA has banned satellite camps effective immediately.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15162704/ncaa-bans-satellite-camps-effective-immediately

I read an article where people in Michigan were complaining because it meant that the team couldn't utilize Sound Body Sound Mind because its outside the radius of Ann Arbor. Nevermind that Harbaugh wanted to do spring practice in Florida.

I understand times have changed and most if not all college assignments are done online, but if you commit to play in the Big Ten or Big 12, you should be preparing yourself to play in those elements, not going for an over glorified spring break.

[Assembly Hall]

The NCAA has banned satellite camps effective immediately.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15162704/ncaa-bans-satellite-camps-effective-immediately

This is absolute BS...........this affects kids. Jesus, can the NCAA ever get anything right?

[bounty37h]

This is absolute BS...........this affects kids. Jesus, can the NCAA ever get anything right?

I agree the NCAA sucks and messes up pretty much everything, but how does this affect kids?

[Assembly Hall]

I read an article where people in Michigan were complaining because it meant that the team couldn't utilize Sound Body Sound Mind because its outside the radius of Ann Arbor. Nevermind that Harbaugh wanted to do spring practice in Florida.

I understand times have changed and most if not all college assignments are done online, but if you commit to play in the Big Ten or Big 12, you should be preparing yourself to play in those elements, not going for an over glorified spring break.


I agree the NCAA sucks and messes up pretty much everything, but how does this affect kids?

The new rule makes it so the prospective student athlete has to go from camp to camp to be seen. Where as in the past a kid could go to one camp and be seen by multiple schools.

[bounty37h]

The new rule makes it so the prospective student athlete has to go from camp to camp to be seen. Where as in the past a kid could go to one camp and be seen by multiple schools.

I guess I need to read more on it, I thought it was simply that colleges can't do team camps away from home like Michigan wanting to take their team to Fl for their team camp. I thought high school camps could still be wherever, I don't see how the NCAA can regulate what high schools do (although I am sure the NCAA thinks they can do whatever they want to whoever they want whenever they want).

[Sea Ray]

I guess I need to read more on it, I thought it was simply that colleges can't do team camps away from home like Michigan wanting to take their team to Fl for their team camp. I thought high school camps could still be wherever, I don't see how the NCAA can regulate what high schools do (although I am sure the NCAA thinks they can do whatever they want to whoever they want whenever they want).

That's my understanding as well. I don't know what kind of camps AH is referring to. Hopefully he'll clarify

[BuckeyeRed27]

That's my understanding as well. I don't know what kind of camps AH is referring to. Hopefully he'll clarify

I think what he was referring to is that other coaches can't staff camps that aren't theirs. For example, Ohio State will have a camp, but most of the coaches are from Akron, Bowling Green, Miami, etc. That can't happen anymore and that is a disservice to most high school players who now may have to go to 5-10 different camps (on their own dime) instead of 2 or 3 to get noticed by a lot of coaches.

[jojo]

This is a good thing actually for everyone.

The SEC was about to take this thing over in a major way and literally blow it up with excess and corporate sponsorship etc. Thats why the conferences overwhelmingly killed it. The NCAA will come out with a highly controlled version that allows kids to be seen but it'll be in a narrow window and much less over the top.

[Assembly Hall]

I think what he was referring to is that other coaches can't staff camps that aren't theirs. For example, Ohio State will have a camp, but most of the coaches are from Akron, Bowling Green, Miami, etc. That can't happen anymore and that is a disservice to most high school players who now may have to go to 5-10 different camps (on their own dime) instead of 2 or 3 to get noticed by a lot of coaches.

Bingo. That is exactly what I was referencing. You said it better than I could have.

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I think what he was referring to is that other coaches can't staff camps that aren't theirs. For example, Ohio State will have a camp, but most of the coaches are from Akron, Bowling Green, Miami, etc. That can't happen anymore and that is a disservice to most high school players who now may have to go to 5-10 different camps (on their own dime) instead of 2 or 3 to get noticed by a lot of coaches.

Bingo. That is exactly what I was referencing. You said it better than I could have.

[Assembly Hall]

This is a good thing actually for everyone.

The SEC was about to take this thing over in a major way and literally blow it up with excess and corporate sponsorship etc. Thats why the conferences overwhelmingly killed it. The NCAA will come out with a highly controlled version that allows kids to be seen but it'll be in a narrow window and much less over the top.

I get the intent, but once again they just didnt think.

[jojo]

I get the intent, but once again they just didnt think.

I think you're making too much out of it. The NCAA just acted to prevent a bunch of chaos. It's not going to be a no for forever.

[Todd Gack]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfyueKIUkAAcyNj.jpg:large

[jojo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfyueKIUkAAcyNj.jpg:large

Just FYI, 15% of Stanford's 2016 entering class is from the South East.... That's the highest percentage of any other region in the nation that compiles the class aside from California residents.

David Shaw was simply acting like a turd and he has since been forced to "clarify" his position.

[Todd Gack]

Just FYI, 15% of Stanford's 2016 entering class is from the South East.... That's the highest percentage of any other region in the nation that compiles the class aside from California residents.

David Shaw was simply acting like a turd and he has since been forced to "clarify" his position.

I just find it funny that jojo is actually defending the South and their lack of education for once.

[jojo]

I just find it funny that jojo is actually defending the South and their lack of education for once.

Actually, Todd. I seriously doubt you ever laugh. It's sad though that this is the thing you'd try to troll.

[Sea Ray]

I think what he was referring to is that other coaches can't staff camps that aren't theirs. For example, Ohio State will have a camp, but most of the coaches are from Akron, Bowling Green, Miami, etc. That can't happen anymore and that is a disservice to most high school players who now may have to go to 5-10 different camps (on their own dime) instead of 2 or 3 to get noticed by a lot of coaches.

I thought it was just about where the camps were held. Does t also limit the coaches who can attend? In other words can't Bowling Green, Akron and others attend a camp if it's in Columbus?

[dabvu2498]

I thought it was just about where the camps were held. Does t also limit the coaches who can attend? In other words can't Bowling Green, Akron and others attend a camp if it's in Columbus?

That's what I've been thinking as well. These third party camp operators can still hold showcase camps and invite college coaches (if it's within the NCAAs "evaluation period"). The college coaches just can't "work" these camps and get extra face-time.

I still can't help but think that the NCAA at least partly threw the baby out with the bath-water here. But I'm not totally sure what should have been done differently.

[Boston Red]

I'm guessing there aren't more than a handfull of players on Shaw's team who are "actually" qualified to get into Stanford.

[jojo]

Also, I don't think we should assume that this is the final say on the camp issue by the NCAA.

[Assembly Hall]

Also, I don't think we should assume that this is the final say on the camp issue by the NCAA.

Absolutely not. Too many people have came out and questioned it. But I have the utmost faith that the NCAA will finally get it right.........NOT.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I thought it was just about where the camps were held. Does t also limit the coaches who can attend? In other words can't Bowling Green, Akron and others attend a camp if it's in Columbus?

From my understanding, no they cannot. This rule says you can only hold a camp on your campus with your coaches.

Here is an article from an OSU site that goes over the release:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/college-football/2016/04/69552/ncaa-announces-satellite-camps-are-banned-effective-immediately

"The Council approved a proposal applicable to the Football Bowl Subdivision that would require those schools to conduct camps and clinics at their school’s facilities or at facilities regularly used for practice or competition," the release said. "Additionally, FBS coaches and noncoaching staff members with responsibilities specific to football may be employed only at their school’s camps or clinics."

[IslandRed]

Right, but that quote says "may be employed only at their school’s camps or clinics." Which is different from just being an observer. Maybe there's something else in the rule that prevents them from attending at all, I don't know for sure.

[Sea Ray]

Right, but that quote says "may be employed only at their school’s camps or clinics." Which is different from just being an observer. Maybe there's something else in the rule that prevents them from attending at all, I don't know for sure.

Exactly. If these coaches aren't being paid by Ohio State (and they most definitely are not) then they're not "employed" at the camp

[Assembly Hall]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25552817/hugh-freeze-responds-ole-miss-coach-and-jim-harbaugh-not-kindred-spirits

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/15182816/college-football-coaches-conference-commissioners-weigh-satellite-camp-ban

[jojo]

http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/NCAA-rule-allows-two-guardians-on-official-visits-44898829


The NCAA has passed a proposed rule change that allows schools to pay for up to two guardians to accompany prospective student-athletes during official visits. The new rule permits schools to compensate the prospect and his/her guardians for round-trip travel accommodations. The change takes place effective Aug. 1, 2016.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The ban on satellite camps was overturned today.

[Chip R]

The ban on satellite camps was overturned today.

Since spring practice is over for pretty much everyone, it doesn't mean anything for this year does it?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Since spring practice is over for pretty much everyone, it doesn't mean anything for this year does it?

Don't most of these camps happen in the summer?

[Chip R]

Don't most of these camps happen in the summer?

I thought they were spring camps. :dunno:

[IslandRed]

Spring practice and satellite camps are totally separate issues, although Michigan was a lightning rod for both.

[Stray]

Oh hey, Ole Miss. Looking forward to the upcoming investigation.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Oh hey, Ole Miss. Looking forward to the upcoming investigation.

Yikes. I think they already had an investigation going, but man talk about nail in the coffin.

[jojo]

Oh hey, Ole Miss. Looking forward to the upcoming investigation.

Dont beat Bama. It's bad for business.

[KronoRed]

So where will Freeze run off too while Missy takes the fall?

[Chip R]

Looks like Baylor president Kenneth Starr (yes, the Kenneth Starr) has been sacked due to the sexual assault scandal with the football team.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/report--baylor-could-change-presidents-in-wake-of-allegations-125416796.html

I think it'd only be right if Bill Clinton headed up this investigation. ;)

[jojo]

Looks like Baylor president Kenneth Starr (yes, the Kenneth Starr) has been sacked due to the sexual assault scandal with the football team.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/report--baylor-could-change-presidents-in-wake-of-allegations-125416796.html

I think it'd only be right if Bill Clinton headed up this investigation. ;)

No need for comeuppances on this one.... Briles and the AD need to get fired too. Not holding my breath for real justice however.

[Boston Red]

Got my $20 down on Louisville to win it all this weekend while I was in Vegas. 75-1 isn't too bad for a team with a trendy "sleeper" Heisman candidate at QB. He could just as well be benched by week 3 as ever seriously be in the Heisman race, but that's why it's 75-1!

[Tom Servo]

Craig Smoak
@CraigSmoak
Baylor expected to release announcement at 11am dismissing HC Art Briles.

[kaldaniels]

Art Briles fired.

Buh bye.

[Boston Red]

Maybe the Big XII can use this as the excuse to finally dump Baylor like they wanted to back in the Big 8/SWC merger days.

[Chip R]

Maybe the Big XII can use this as the excuse to finally dump Baylor like they wanted to back in the Big 8/SWC merger days.

Doubtful.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wow. Not every day do you see a top 5-10 head coach get fired. A case could be made he is the 3rd best coach behind Meyer and Saban.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Wow. Not every day do you see a top 5-10 head coach get fired. A case could be made he is the 3rd best coach behind Meyer and Saban.

When I read that it seemed ridiculous on the face, but I do agree you could make a case.

Bob Stoops I think would certainly beat him out.
Harbaugh, Shaw and Dantonio have cases, but not clear cut.
Then you have guys like Fisher, Richt, Helfrich and Pederson, who have interesting cases, but maybe not better than Briles.

Oh and I'm glad Baylor stepped up and did the right thing here.

[bucksfan2]

When I read that it seemed ridiculous on the face, but I do agree you could make a case.

Bob Stoops I think would certainly beat him out.
Harbaugh, Shaw and Dantonio have cases, but not clear cut.
Then you have guys like Fisher, Richt, Helfrich and Pederson, who have interesting cases, but maybe not better than Briles.

Oh and I'm glad Baylor stepped up and did the right thing here.

Big Game Bob Stoops is the most over rated coach in football. When was the last time he won a BIG game? After winning the BCS title a number of years ago Big Game Bob seems to disappoint on the big stage each and every time.

There are plenty of coaches I would take over Briles. I think he is a good offensive mind using a high flying offense, but I think overall his teams aren't as good as their records. IMO the Big 12 is living off of its name and not its play.

I would take Gary Patterson over Briles, same with Tom Herman, although he is young, just in the state of Texas.

[Slyder]

Art Briles fired.

Buh bye.

Cryami without the titles... Worked in the 80s but not in the 21st century. How's that Karma taste you arrogant ***?! Good riddance.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Big Game Bob Stoops is the most over rated coach in football. When was the last time he won a BIG game? After winning the BCS title a number of years ago Big Game Bob seems to disappoint on the big stage each and every time.

There are plenty of coaches I would take over Briles. I think he is a good offensive mind using a high flying offense, but I think overall his teams aren't as good as their records. IMO the Big 12 is living off of its name and not its play.

I would take Gary Patterson over Briles, same with Tom Herman, although he is young, just in the state of Texas.

Stoops may be overrated, but he has still gotten his teams to 10 top tier bowl games in the past 16 years and won a NCG. All I was saying is that he would certainly be higher than Briles.

I did forget about Patterson, but I think their cases are similar at this point. Check back in 5-7 years and I'm pretty confident Tom Herman will be in that discussion.

[Stray]

Details in that Baylor report are disgusting. Fire everyone associated with that garbage.

[RedTeamGo!]

Harbaugh

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[19braves77]

I bet every president, athletic director, and head coach had a meeting today.

[19braves77]

Also, by the time Baylor solves all these lawsuits, they will not have enough money to support a ping pong team.

[BuckeyeRed27]

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I mean as my handle and posting history indicates, I'm hardly a Harbaugh apologist. But it would be very hard to make an argument that he isn't at least one of the best 7 coaches in college football right now and certainly could be argued that he is better than Briles.

[KronoRed]

Details in that Baylor report are disgusting. Fire everyone associated with that garbage.

Should be death penalty time, same program that had a basketball coach and players involved in a murder, at the very least the entire coaching staff and athletic administration should be gone.

[Chip R]

Should be death penalty time, same program that had a basketball coach and players involved in a murder, at the very least the entire coaching staff and athletic administration should be gone.

Are they even under investigation for this?

[KronoRed]

Are they even under investigation for this?

Not that I know of, this is them trying to head it off.

[Chip R]

Not that I know of, this is them trying to head it off.

I suppose if Penn State can get nailed for what they did, Baylor can get nailed for this.

[jojo]

I suppose if Penn State can get nailed for what they did, Baylor can get nailed for this.

Penn State and Baylor should form their own conference.

Jeeps though, could you imagine being the parent of a female student athlete who is part of that athletic department?

[Chip R]

Ok, I read they self-reported this stuff. Oh, and while Starr is no longer president he moves to chancellor and still can teach at the law school.

[WVRed]

So my question is, if Baylor should get the death penalty, shouldn't Rocky Top?

Baylor did the right thing but Tennessee had similar allegations and it hasn't been discussed. Just proof if you are a blue blood you get a free pass.


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[WVRed]

Is it too early to speculate that Briles could coach again? Especially if Texas A&M has an opening if the fans keep growing tired of Sumlin.


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[Chip R]

Is it too early to speculate that Briles could coach again? Especially if Texas A&M has an opening if the fans keep growing tired of Sumlin.


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He could always go to the NFL.

[jojo]

Is it too early to speculate that Briles could coach again? Especially if Texas A&M has an opening if the fans keep growing tired of Sumlin.


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He's got a long period in purgatory before he's back at a power 5 program.

[KronoRed]

Is it too early to speculate that Briles could coach again? Especially if Texas A&M has an opening if the fans keep growing tired of Sumlin.


This isn't like Petrino, Briles helped cover up sexual assault, he'll be out for a long time unless something comes up that exonerates him.

[Assembly Hall]

So my question is, if Baylor should get the death penalty, shouldn't Rocky Top?

Baylor did the right thing but Tennessee had similar allegations and it hasn't been discussed. Just proof if you are a blue blood you get a free pass.


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Interesting observations.

[jojo]

So my question is, if Baylor should get the death penalty, shouldn't Rocky Top?

Baylor did the right thing but Tennessee had similar allegations and it hasn't been discussed. Just proof if you are a blue blood you get a free pass.


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The media in knoxville rallies around the money machine (and Nashville doesn't exactly have an army of rocky top haters either). Any market in Texas has just as many enemies of your program as friends in the media. There was no shortage of people willing to try and knock down Baylor a peg. And then Briles seems so arrogant, that nationally, he's a tempting target for someone without their gut involved. And then rape and coverup. It's an easy story. Baylor's was more public while UT has hidden their sins making a national narrative harder to write for the lazies that characterize today's reporter.

There is still hope that UT faces their just comeuppances too. Wouldn't send a daughter to either school.

[WVRed]

The media in knoxville rallies around the money machine (and Nashville doesn't exactly have an army of rocky top haters either). Any market in Texas has just as many enemies of your program as friends in the media. There was no shortage of people willing to try and knock down Baylor a peg. And then Briles seems so arrogant, that nationally, he's a tempting target for someone without their gut involved.

Maybe not so much Knoxville as a whole but there is the national media.

While we're at it, might as well include the Louisville basketball team and Pitino still being there.


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[Chip R]

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/10/another-day-another-disturbing-situation-surfaces-at-baylor/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo

[Chip R]

Michigan and Notre Dame will renew their series with games in 2018 and 2019. After that, who knows?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/16859536/notre-dame-fighting-irish-michigan-wolverines-play-2018-2019

[Sea Ray]

Very good news

[Chip R]

Baylor sexual assault report produces punishment, but no paper trail

http://nyti.ms/29VygbM

[jojo]

Baylor sexual assault report produces punishment, but no paper trail

http://nyti.ms/29VygbM

lawyers gonna lawyer.

[Assembly Hall]

Michigan and Notre Dame will renew their series with games in 2018 and 2019. After that, who knows?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/16859536/notre-dame-fighting-irish-michigan-wolverines-play-2018-2019


My buddy told me of that(ND fan). Looks like I will have to put on my drinking shoes!!!!!!

[Chip R]

Notre Dame's uniforms for their "Shamrock Series" game against Army in Texas.

11244

[jojo]

Notre Dame's uniforms for their "Shamrock Series" game against Army in Texas.

11244

Uggghhhhhh

[Chip R]

yhe Playoff Semifinals are being moved to New Year's Day from New Year's Eve.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/17163763/college-football-playoff-moves-some-new-year-eve-dates

[jojo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh1M2dXn2fM&app=desktop

[Sea Ray]

Preseason AP poll is out. Ohio State is #1 one and my Tennessee Volunteers are #7. http://collegespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state/ap-voter-releases-preseason-top-25-ballot/19#slideshow

I know Tennessee is expected to do very well but I'd kinda like them to start outside of the top 10. Of course due to the expected strength of the SEC, #7 nationally is only good enough for #3 in the conference.

[Boston Red]

I think that's just one guy's vote, not the whole poll.

[bucksfan2]

Preseason AP poll is out. Ohio State is #1 one and my Tennessee Volunteers are #7. http://collegespun.com/big-ten/ohio-state/ap-voter-releases-preseason-top-25-ballot/19#slideshow

I know Tennessee is expected to do very well but I'd kinda like them to start outside of the top 10. Of course due to the expected strength of the SEC, #7 nationally is only good enough for #3 in the conference.

That is an AP Voter it appears, and that person is on crack!

I am very high on OSU this season, they don't deserve to be ranked #1, but I think when you put the combination of Barrett and Meyer together it over comes a lot of youth question marks. Those youth question marks are somewhat a little overstated. They are young, a lot of redshirt freshman and soph, but those guys were very, very talented. I think the OU game in Norman is a win win for that team, if you lose its still early, and they have their bulk of their schedule to get back. A win puts them right at the forefront of the Playoff conversation.

Tennessee has a friendly schedule, a very talented team, and will be the best team in the east. Now whether or not Butch Jones can manage to get this team to not slip up late this season. Had Tennessee taken care of business we wouldn't have had to watch Big Game Stoops fall flat on his face again a title chase.

As of today I would put Clemson #1 followed by Bama, and FSU. I am a big believer that coaching often put a quality team over the top, and I am not enamored with Dabo, think he is growing as a coach, but I don't know if he stacks up to the likes of Meyer, Saben, Fisher, and even Harbaugh.

There are a lot of talented teams out there (LSU, FSU and Bama) who have question marks at the QB position. LSU and FSU have stud RB's but pretty big holes at the QB spot. That could come back to bite them.

OU plays Houston 1st game of the season. If a Group of 5 team is ever going to make the 4 team playoff, a Houston win could go a long way towards that.

I think the playoff is SEC vs Pac 12 B1G vs ACC. I don't think OU makes it, and I don't know if there is another Big 12 team capable of running the table. I don't know much about the Pac 12, but think they could sneak a team into the 4th spot. I think the B1G comes down to the winner of OSU vs Michigan. MSU has an outside chance, getting both MSU and OSU at home, but I think they may take a small step back this year.

[Sea Ray]

We need look no further than the opening weekend of the 2016 season to see once again why football in the SEC is so exciting. Take a look at the non conference opponents of SEC schools in week one:

--USC
--Wisconsin
--Florida St
--UCLA
--Clemson
--West Virginia
--North Carolina

Compare that to the Big Ten. Their top opponents for week one:

--LSU
--Washington
--Oregon St
--Fresno St
--Western MI
--Hawaii
--Furman

As a college football fan, why would you watch any of those Big Ten games aside from Washington or LSU? That's why this football fan watches SEC football.

[bucksfan2]

We need look no further than the opening weekend of the 2016 season to see once again why football in the SEC is so exciting. Take a look at the non conference opponents of SEC schools in week one:

--USC
--Wisconsin
--Florida St
--UCLA
--Clemson
--West Virginia
--North Carolina

Compare that to the Big Ten. Their top opponents for week one:

--LSU
--Washington
--Oregon St
--Fresno St
--Western MI
--Hawaii
--Furman

As a college football fan, why would you watch any of those Big Ten games aside from Washington or LSU? That's why this football fan watches SEC football.

You want to know how exciting the B1G is, check out their Nov 19th slate:

All conference games.

Compare that with the SEC
Chattanooga
Alabama A&M
Presbyterian
Austin Pea
South Alabama
Western Carolina
Texas San Antonio

[Sea Ray]

You want to know how exciting the B1G is, check out their Nov 19th slate:

All conference games.

Compare that with the SEC
Chattanooga
Alabama A&M
Presbyterian
Austin Pea
South Alabama
Western Carolina
Texas San Antonio

So you had to look at all the weeks and it wasn't till you got to Nov 19th to make your case? We all know teams play in conference games. I'll give you a freeby. Look at every week of the year and pick out the best one re: Big Ten's best non conference opponents. How does it compare to what I posted about week one in the SEC?

As for Nov 19th...how many of those Big Ten games compare to the 7 games I posted from the SEC on week one? I'd say one: OSU-MSU. My point is about compelling football games for the avg fan. Even the week you cherrypicked only has one. Granted things may change between now and then but no way there will be 7 Big Ten games as compelling as the 7 the SEC plays in week one.

[jojo]

You want to know how exciting the B1G is, check out their Nov 19th slate:

All conference games.

Compare that with the SEC
Chattanooga
Alabama A&M
Presbyterian
Austin Pea
South Alabama
Western Carolina
Texas San Antonio

Ya, but what you didnt mention was the teams on the big 10 schedule for Nov19:

Illinois
Indiana
Purdue
Nebraska
Maryland
Minnesota
Rutgers
PSU

At least the SEC is sharing the wealth with sister state programs.

[bucksfan2]

So you had to look at all the weeks and it wasn't till you got to Nov 19th to make your case? We all know teams play in conference games. I'll give you a freeby. Look at every week of the year and pick out the best one re: Big Ten's best non conference opponents. How does it compare to what I posted about week one in the SEC?

As for Nov 19th...how many of those Big Ten games compare to the 7 games I posted from the SEC on week one? I'd say one: OSU-MSU. My point is about compelling football games for the avg fan. Even the week you cherrypicked only has one. Granted things may change between now and then but no way there will be 7 Big Ten games as compelling as the 7 the SEC plays in week one.



Nope, the SEC has notoriously played a cupcake in the 2nd to last week of the year. It happens year after year after year after year. Honestly I would rather see teams get a game or two under their belt before they play a marquis game because in week one, the teams aren't firing on all cylinders, heck they may be firing on one. I will say when the SEC takes their "bye" week, teams are more often not playing at their top level, not at week one level.

[jojo]

I think the first week will be great for college football. The SEC could run the table in those games or they could go winless.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think the first week will be great for college football. The SEC could run the table in those games or they could go winless.

As a fan there are obviously a lot of good games, but I think the teams and the games would be better if those happened in Week 2 or 3. Like bucksfan said, getting a game or two under your belt is usually a good thing. That said kudos to both the SEC and those opponents for scheduling the games, we need more of that.

[Sea Ray]

Nope, the SEC has notoriously played a cupcake in the 2nd to last week of the year. It happens year after year after year after year. Honestly I would rather see teams get a game or two under their belt before they play a marquis game because in week one, the teams aren't firing on all cylinders, heck they may be firing on one. I will say when the SEC takes their "bye" week, teams are more often not playing at their top level, not at week one level.

Everyone plays cupcakes, even the SEC. My point is on the other side of the spectrum: compelling games. The SEC plays far more of them than the Big Ten.

[Sea Ray]

As a fan there are obviously a lot of good games, but I think the teams and the games would be better if those happened in Week 2 or 3. Like bucksfan said, getting a game or two under your belt is usually a good thing. That said kudos to both the SEC and those opponents for scheduling the games, we need more of that.

I agree 100% with what you've written above. In an ideal world I'd like a lot of those games to be later but scheduling is tough. I'll take it whenever. As a fan, I'm glad the opening weekend isn't all cupcakes. Some yrs it's tough to find a good game.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Everyone plays cupcakes, even the SEC. My point is on the other side of the spectrum: compelling games. The SEC plays far more of them than the Big Ten.

A lot of this comes from the lens you look at it though. Obviously as an SEC fan, you are going to want to watch more SEC games and vice versa for BIG fans. Objectively the SEC certainly has a lot better games in Week 1, no arguing that. I'd say that Week 3 the Big 10 has better games, although to be fair the SEC starts conference play earlier and has Bama/Ole Miss that week. Big 10 has OSU/Oklahoma, MSU/ND, Oregon/Nebraska and if you're smart Duke/NW. So just depends week to week and who you cheer for more than anything I think.

[bucksfan2]

I agree 100% with what you've written above. In an ideal world I'd like a lot of those games to be later but scheduling is tough. I'll take it whenever. As a fan, I'm glad the opening weekend isn't all cupcakes. Some yrs it's tough to find a good game.

Wisc plays LSU, OSU plays OU, MSU plays ND, Nebraska plays Oregon, PSU plays Pitt and Temple, and TSUN doesn't deliver (Colorado). Call a spade a spade, the B1G teams do a decent job of scheduling a non-conference foe. I am not arguing that the B1G is better, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy involved in touting the first week of the SEC's schedule while ignoring their yearly buy week prior to their "rivalry game."

I love compelling early match ups, I enjoy big time college football more than the pro game. Most of the power five programs play four non conference games. I want them all to play a big name opponent in those first few weeks. I don't care if it comes in week one or week three, as the OSU vs Oklahoma tilt is this season. Its nice to have a big opening weekend, but its also just as nice to have great games on the second, third and fourth weekend. I just don't feel the need to beat my chest because the week one slate looks great and overlook every other week.

[Boston Red]

Houston/Oklahoma is the game I'm most looking forward to in week one. I'm a big Louisville fan, but I can't get myself too excited about a Thursday night matchup against Charlotte. ZZZZZZZZZ

[Assembly Hall]

Houston/Oklahoma is the game I'm most looking forward to in week one.

LOL, but to be honest there are a lot of "talking heads" that say to keep your eye on that one. Big game for the Cougars.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I have a friend that violated rule #1 and is getting married the Saturday of Week 1, so I'm going to miss most of these games. Don't get married on a fall Saturday! How hard is this!

[gonelong]

If you want a compelling game to watch then it appears you either tune in to see Alabama, tOSU, or both. 12 of the top 25 highest viewership games in 2015 has involved one of them.


I knew I head this before ... (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?109809-SEC-Football-Discussion-5&p=3378210&viewfull=1#post3378210)

GL

[Sea Ray]

A lot of this comes from the lens you look at it though. Obviously as an SEC fan, you are going to want to watch more SEC games and vice versa for BIG fans. Objectively the SEC certainly has a lot better games in Week 1, no arguing that. I'd say that Week 3 the Big 10 has better games, although to be fair the SEC starts conference play earlier and has Bama/Ole Miss that week. Big 10 has OSU/Oklahoma, MSU/ND, Oregon/Nebraska and if you're smart Duke/NW. So just depends week to week and who you cheer for more than anything I think.

Granted SEC folks will watch SEC and Big Ten folks watch Big Ten etc etc. But the SEC has more compelling games. That's my point. Week in week out they have more exciting matchups. Week one is just one example. This is why I watch SEC football. Having said that, if in two weeks the Big Ten was playing schools like Clemson, USC and Fl St I'd be watching those games and not the SEC. That's my point.

[Sea Ray]

Wisc plays LSU, OSU plays OU, MSU plays ND, Nebraska plays Oregon, PSU plays Pitt and Temple, and TSUN doesn't deliver (Colorado). Call a spade a spade, the B1G teams do a decent job of scheduling a non-conference foe. I am not arguing that the B1G is better, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy involved in touting the first week of the SEC's schedule while ignoring their yearly buy week prior to their "rivalry game."

I love compelling early match ups, I enjoy big time college football more than the pro game. Most of the power five programs play four non conference games. I want them all to play a big name opponent in those first few weeks. I don't care if it comes in week one or week three, as the OSU vs Oklahoma tilt is this season. Its nice to have a big opening weekend, but its also just as nice to have great games on the second, third and fourth weekend. I just don't feel the need to beat my chest because the week one slate looks great and overlook every other week.

I'm just stating a fact that the SEC is playing very compelling games, particularly week one. If you enjoy big time college football I'd think you'd be tipping your cap to them and glued to their games that first week. It's about marketing. SEC will get all the pub that first week and then some will say that ESPN is biased or whatever.

As for the Big Ten, since they generally don't start their conference games until Oct, it'll be a struggle to get any national attention till then and if they do lose in the few compelling non conference games before that, it'll be all the more magnified.

[Sea Ray]

I knew I head this before ... (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?109809-SEC-Football-Discussion-5&p=3378210&viewfull=1#post3378210)

GL

Ratings and compelling are two different things. Is OSU vs Indiana,Rutgers or WMU compelling?

[Assembly Hall]

Granted SEC folks will watch SEC and Big Ten folks watch Big Ten etc etc. But the SEC has more compelling games. That's my point. Week in week out they have more exciting matchups. Week one is just one example. This is why I watch SEC football. Having said that, if in two weeks the Big Ten was playing schools like Clemson, USC and Fl St I'd be watching those games and not the SEC. That's my point.

Hmmmmm......I guess you never watched a Michigan/Notre Dame game in week one? I am tired of hearing this SEC vs. BIG bickering. Not only is it senseless.....but it is useless.

[Sea Ray]

Hmmmmm......I guess you never watched a Michigan/Notre Dame game in week one? I am tired of hearing this SEC vs. BIG bickering. Not only is it senseless.....but it is useless.

Why are you making this about bickering? How can I point out that the SEC schedules very competitive games for the enjoyment of college football fans everywhere without getting accused of bickering or beating my chest? Honest question. I wish folks everywhere could just say "yeah, those games look great to me. I can't wait for week one. Kudos to the SEC for not resting on its laurels and taking a lot of risk in doing this".

As for UM/ND, I'm on record as loving that rivalry. What does that have to do with this discussion?

[IslandRed]

The league that's making the best effort at OOC scheduling, in my opinion, is the Pac-12 -- several are playing more than one Power 5 non-league opponent, despite having a nine-game conference schedule.

The ACC is debating whether to go 9+1 (nine league games plus a mandate to schedule at least one Power 5 OOC opponent) versus 8+2. Selfishly, I hope 8+2 prevails, since it leaves more room for good OOC matchups.

[gonelong]

Ratings and compelling are two different things. Is OSU vs Indiana,Rutgers or WMU compelling?

Ratings are a pretty solid measure of how many people were compelled to watch the actual event. How compelling can a football game be if people can't be bothered to watch it?

I am leaning towards using the TV ratings as a compelling Guage here but perhaps if you can give me more info on the "Sea Ray" compelling scoring system I'll convert. Hopefully it doesn't rely heavily on the "quit liking things I don't like" algorithm. I have found that may produce wildly different readings depending on the latitude and longitude the readings are taken from. :p

GL

[bounty37h]

The only game I care about each week is my favorite team, any good matchup that isn't at same time beyond that is simply a bonus.

[Sea Ray]

Ratings are a pretty solid measure of how many people were compelled to watch the actual event. How compelling can a football game be if people can't be bothered to watch it?

I am leaning towards using the TV ratings as a compelling Guage here but perhaps if you can give me more info on the "Sea Ray" compelling scoring system I'll convert. Hopefully it doesn't rely heavily on the "quit liking things I don't like" algorithm. I have found that may produce wildly different readings depending on the latitude and longitude the readings are taken from. :p

GL

Sea Ray can only speak for Sea Ray...And Sea Ray thinks OSU-Mi and Alabama Auburn is much more compelling than OSU-Indiana or OSU-Rutgers. If anyone disagrees, I'd love to hear their reasoning.

Edit: This site shows totally different numbers and frankly much more believable. It shows the OSU-Mi game to have higher ratings than the OSU-Va Tech game

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

[Boston Red]

OSU/Rutgers isn't compelling. Ohio State just has more fans than most. It's the same reason Kentucky/Longwood will get good ratings in basketball. It's not the game itself but the size of the fanbase.

[bucksfan2]

Sea Ray can only speak for Sea Ray...And Sea Ray thinks OSU-Mi and Alabama Auburn is much more compelling than OSU-Indiana or OSU-Rutgers. If anyone disagrees, I'd love to hear their reasoning.

Edit: This site shows totally different numbers and frankly much more believable. It shows the OSU-Mi game to have higher ratings than the OSU-Va Tech game

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

Just stop with this notion. I will watch OSU play every game that I can this season. And to be honest some games will be snooze fests because they much better than the opponent. But I am really looking forward to OU, Wisconsin, PSU, Nebraska, MSU and Michigan. Watching OSU play Rutgers does little for me, but it probably does the same thing for UT fans to watch them play UK.

There will be good games across the college football landscape pretty much every week. Some will be duds, some will be great games. Every conference has their bad teams and every conference will have their top notch teams. If I could watch my team play a great team every week, that would be awesome. But lets stop with the notion that every team in the SEC plays a great opponent every week.

[Sea Ray]

Just stop with this notion. I will watch OSU play every game that I can this season. And to be honest some games will be snooze fests because they much better than the opponent. But I am really looking forward to OU, Wisconsin, PSU, Nebraska, MSU and Michigan. Watching OSU play Rutgers does little for me, but it probably does the same thing for UT fans to watch them play UK.

There will be good games across the college football landscape pretty much every week. Some will be duds, some will be great games. Every conference has their bad teams and every conference will have their top notch teams. If I could watch my team play a great team every week, that would be awesome. But lets stop with the notion that every team in the SEC plays a great opponent every week.
Stop with the notion of extremes. Let's enjoy us some college football! It starts in less than two weeks.

[RedTeamGo!]

Stop with the notion of extremes. Let's enjoy us some college football! It starts in less than two weeks.

Come on man, you obviously instigated this whole thing. I don't mind because it's entertaining every year. But you directly compared the 1st week of the b1g and Sec last year too IIRC.

[gonelong]

Sea Ray can only speak for Sea Ray...And Sea Ray thinks OSU-Mi and Alabama Auburn is much more compelling than OSU-Indiana or OSU-Rutgers. If anyone disagrees, I'd love to hear their reasoning.

Edit: This site shows totally different numbers and frankly much more believable. It shows the OSU-Mi game to have higher ratings than the OSU-Va Tech game

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

Two of the highest TV ratings games of the season are among the most compelling?

To my untrained ear that sounds alot like what I said.

GL

[jojo]

How about we let 'em play a few games before we start mocking the big 10?

[GAC]

How can I point out that the SEC schedules very competitive games for the enjoyment of college football fans everywhere

There are some solid competitive match-ups for sure...USC @ Alabama, LSU @ Wisconsin, Georgia @ N.Carolina ..... and even as a B10 guy I love watching the SEC, as well as other conference's games .... but the SEC's non-conference schedule is no different then any of the other major conferences when it comes to patsies either. ;)

In Week #1 I'm sure visiting Appalachian State will give Tennessee a competitive game (LOL). You can then watch S. Alabama @ Mississippi State or Massachusetts @ Florida



Sea Ray can only speak for Sea Ray...And Sea Ray thinks OSU-Mi and Alabama Auburn is much more compelling than OSU-Indiana or OSU-Rutgers. If anyone disagrees, I'd love to hear their reasoning.

No one may disagree unless you're simply a fan of that particular conference and you enjoy all the games.

Why is it any different from watching the bottom-tier teams in the SEC .... Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri ... playing their conference's top tier teams, and with pretty predictable results?

Every conference has their "elites" and losers.

[jojo]

Instead of bickering about conferences you wont watch play much anyway, why not play this game?

Only rule I'd change is bump up the number of teams in the hypothetical weekly slobber knocking schedules to 12 teams.

http://www.campusrush.com/college-football-superconference-podcast-money-down-1978031349.html

[Sea Ray]

Come on man, you obviously instigated this whole thing. I don't mind because it's entertaining every year. But you directly compared the 1st week of the b1g and Sec last year too IIRC.

I use the Big Ten as a comparison because that's the conference readers of this site are most familiar with. It would make little sense to put the schedule of the ACC up there. Folks would just gloss over it. My point is that the SEC is more exciting than any other conference, not just the Big Ten. My intention was not to "instigate" anything. I would think football fans everywhere, including Big Ten fans, will enjoy the SEC games this first week more so than any other conference.

[Sea Ray]

There are some solid competitive match-ups for sure...USC @ Alabama, LSU @ Wisconsin, Georgia @ N.Carolina ..... and even as a B10 guy I love watching the SEC, as well as other conference's games .... but the SEC's non-conference schedule is no different then any of the other major conferences when it comes to patsies either. ;)

In Week #1 I'm sure visiting Appalachian State will give Tennessee a competitive game (LOL). You can then watch S. Alabama @ Mississippi State or Massachusetts @ Florida




No one may disagree unless you're simply a fan of that particular conference and you enjoy all the games.

Why is it any different from watching the bottom-tier teams in the SEC .... Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri ... playing their conference's top tier teams, and with pretty predictable results?

Every conference has their "elites" and losers.

As I said earlier, everyone plays their patsies. My point is that no conference plays the murder's row that the SEC does in week one. That's an incredible one week out of conference schedule. Typically the college football schedule is full of patsies early in the season, including the SEC. Not this year.

As for Tenn-App St, let's talk to our friends up north and ask them if that school is a patsy...

In all fairness please note that I did not include that game as one of the compelling games of the week one schedule...cause it's not. Of course UT fans will watch it and OSU fans will watch the Buckeyes regardless of who their playing but my comments are about the casual fan who just wants to see a good football contest

[Sea Ray]

Two of the highest TV ratings games of the season are among the most compelling?

To my untrained ear that sounds alot like what I said.

GL

My thumbnail sketch of a compelling game would be one that includes a top 25 team and a point spread that's 10 pts or less. Of course that's not ironclad and there will be exceptions but that's a thumbnail sketch. Ind or Rutgers vs OSU does not qualify. In fact my guess is OSU will have no more than two games this yr with a point spread under 10

[Assembly Hall]

As for Tenn-App St, let's talk to our friends up north and ask them if that school is a patsy...

I dont even know you personally, but I just knew you were going to throw that out there.

[GAC]

I dont even know you personally, but I just knew you were going to throw that out there.

Every dog finds a bone every once in awhile! LOL

[GAC]

Typically the college football schedule is full of patsies early in the season, including the SEC. Not this year.

If you'll look, you'll find that it's always been typical of the SEC to spread their patsies through-out the course of the season, and not just in those first few weeks.

Take a look at week #12 for instance.

http://www.secsports.com/article/14000433/sec-announces-2016-football-schedules

And I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that SeaRay. A patsy is a patsy. Only that the SEC spreads them out more.

[RedTeamGo!]

I use the Big Ten as a comparison because that's the conference readers of this site are most familiar with. It would make little sense to put the schedule of the ACC up there. Folks would just gloss over it. My point is that the SEC is more exciting than any other conference, not just the Big Ten. My intention was not to "instigate" anything. I would think football fans everywhere, including Big Ten fans, will enjoy the SEC games this first week more so than any other conference.

I must admit, it was pretty exciting watching my alma mater, Toledo, shut down one of the elite teams in the SEC west on the road last year.

[Sea Ray]

I must admit, it was pretty exciting watching my alma mater, Toledo, shut down one of the elite teams in the SEC west on the road last year.

Me too! Kudos to the Rockets for that one!

[Reds Fanatic]

I think the first week will be great for college football. The SEC could run the table in those games or they could go winless.

Not only is week 1 great this year but look ahead to week 3 on September 17th. What a day that is going to be: Ohio State at Oklahoma, Michigan State at Notre Dame, Alabama at Ole Miss, Florida State at Louisville and USC at Stanford. Some just huge games that will have a big impact on the playoff race by mid September.

[Boston Red]

Florida State at Louisville

I'm driving all night after work on Friday from Wichita to Louisville for that one. The Cards better not let me down!

[Sea Ray]

Not only is week 1 great this year but look ahead to week 3 on September 17th. What a day that is going to be: Ohio State at Oklahoma, Michigan State at Notre Dame, Alabama at Ole Miss, Florida State at Louisville and USC at Stanford. Some just huge games that will have a big impact on the playoff race by mid September.

It'll kick off with a Thursday night game: UC vs Houston. Go UC!

[Chip R]

The 10 most flawed college football mascots.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/gallery/the-12-most-flawed-mascots-in-college-football-083116

[KronoRed]

The 10 most flawed college football mascots.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/gallery/the-12-most-flawed-mascots-in-college-football-083116

Boo, Rocky the Rocket is awesome.

[WVRed]

Tennessee trailing 13-3 against Appalachia State at halftime. Not a good showing at all by the Vols.


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[Boston Red]

UT is just doing its part to make Week 1 of college football great again.

[jojo]

UT is just doing its part to make Week 1 of college football great again.

All they have to do is kick FG in OT and it's probably over.

[Boston Red]

Or the old fumble it into the end zone and pray a teammate picks it up. Pretty standard stuff.

[Tom Servo]

Vols are playing like total trash, very fortunate App State's kicker can't kick.

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee needed a wake up call but I didn't want to pay the price of an L to get it. This was exactly what UT needed. For what it's worth, App St will go bowling this year.

[RichRed]

App State got too conservative on both sides of the ball in the second half, I thought. Strong showing by my wife's alma mater in hostile territory though. They're a good team.

[WVRed]

Tennessee needed a wake up call but I didn't want to pay the price of an L to get it. This was exactly what UT needed. For what it's worth, App St will go bowling this year.

I think there are real problems on Rocky Top.

App State is good but Tennessee was a three score favorite. They were also fortunate that Appalachia State was undersized and cramping started to take an effect.

The problem was composure. Tennessee had an advantage at every skill position and couldn't execute. Dobbs made some careless mistakes and Hurd couldn't get any traction.

A friend of mine is a UT fan and was at the game last night. He said the last home opener he went to was the triple overtime game against UAB and that was Dooleys final year. He's on the fire Butch Jones bandwagon for sure.


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[jojo]

Until the Vols actually beat someone, people shouldn't act like they're the fershizzle. A #9 ranking is completely unjustifiable based upon track record.

[Eric from NC]

Was disappointed to see that despite Holtz retiring we are still stuck with Mark May on espn.

[19braves77]

Impressed with Houston defense.

[WVRed]

Impressed with Houston defense.

Id say they are making a case for Big 12 expansion and Herman for a power 5 coaching job.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Id say they are making a case for Big 12 expansion and Herman for a power 5 coaching job.


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Herman could have had his pick of just about any p5 opening after last season. I think the country already knows he is legit.

[WVRed]

Herman could have had his pick of just about any p5 opening after last season. I think the country already knows he is legit.

Hard to gauge coaches after one season.

Can he coach with another coaches players? Absolutely.

Can he coach with the players he recruits? TBD.

Case in point: Dana Holgorsen at West Virginia.


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[KronoRed]

Herman could have had his pick of just about any p5 opening after last season. I think the country already knows he is legit.
He was pretty smart to wait, this off season he'll have his pick of Texas/Texas A&M.

[RedTeamGo!]

Hard to gauge coaches after one season.

Can he coach with another coaches players? Absolutely.

Can he coach with the players he recruits? TBD.

Case in point: Dana Holgorsen at West Virginia.


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Sure, but after he took a Cardale Jones led offense through Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon to win the national championship I think everyone knew he was legit + his first year at crappy Houston.

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He was pretty smart to wait, this off season he'll have his pick of Texas/Texas A&M.

Or maybe LSU.

[WVRed]

Sure, but after he took a Cardale Jones led offense through Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon to win the national championship I think everyone knew he was legit + his first year at crappy Houston.

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Or maybe LSU.

Point is you can't judge a coach in one season. Most Power 5 schools are not going to make that gamble.

It's one thing to be a great offensive coordinator under one of the best coaches in the game. Its another to duplicate that success on the recruiting trail and turn those recruits into winners.

That's why I referenced Dana Holgorsen. He won big his first two years at WVU, but once his recruits took over, the team kinda faltered and now he's on the hot seat in Morgantown. (Depending on where you read)


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[dabvu2498]

Sure, but after he took a Cardale Jones led offense through Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon to win the national championship I think everyone knew he was legit + his first year at crappy Houston.

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Or maybe LSU.


"Crappy" Houston wasn't really that crappy. Kevin Sumlin parlayed that job into Texas A/M. His replacement, Tony Levine was fired after going 8-5, 7-5. They also have a brand new facility. It was a pretty nice first job, actually.

[dabvu2498]

Oh yeah, and Art Briles won two straight conference championships his last years there.

[Tom Servo]

TCU in a dogfight with South Dakota State in the 4th quarter

[Chip R]

Northern Iowa wins again at Iowa State. Ho hum.

[KronoRed]

Northern Iowa wins again at Iowa State. Ho hum.

I'm surprised the Big 12 hasn't come calling yet :D

[Chip R]

I'm surprised the Big 12 hasn't come calling yet :D

We're too good for them.

[Boston Red]

So where does Houston get ranked after this weekend? #7 or so?

[kaldaniels]

Brian Kelly is the winningest active FBS coach with 226 wins.

That one suprised me.

Edit - That does count his time at GVSU which does take some shine off that stat.

[IslandRed]

So where does Houston get ranked after this weekend? #7 or so?

On opening-week merit, they probably deserve #2, but #7 sounds about right for what will actually happen.

[Revering4Blue]

Oh yeah, and Art Briles won two straight conference championships his last years there.
As long as I can recall, for the most part, from Bill Yeoman's Veer attack, Jack Pardee's Run N' Shoot, to Art Briles, Houston Cougars football has always been associated with high-powered offenses. Herman continues that trend. They are no-brainer for future Big 12 inclusion, IMO.

[IslandRed]

It's hard to find a good quarterback. That's why so many programs try to develop schemes that can succeed even if they don't have one.

But man, there's just no substitute for a guy that can really sling it. Texas looks like a totally different team so far.

[Revering4Blue]

TCU in a dogfight with South Dakota State in the 4th quarter

That was the most entertaining game of that particular time slot. Given that SDSU upset Kansas State on the road last year, we shouldn't have been surprised that they were ahead by two touchdowns at one time. Once A&M transfer, Kenny Hill become comfortable with the offense -- which involved the TCU coaches utilizing his legs, particularly on the speed option, as a weapon -- the game was over. It's difficult to replace a total offense QB weapon like Trevone Boykin, but Hill seems like a good fit.

[19braves77]

that was some terrible play calling by ND following the series of the block extra point.

[Stray]

This Texas/ND game has been freaking fantastic.

[Boston Red]

That was the most entertaining game of that particular time slot. Given that SDSU upset Kansas State on the road last year, we shouldn't have been surprised that they were ahead by two touchdowns at one time. Once A&M transfer, Kenny Hill become comfortable with the offense -- which involved the TCU coaches utilizing his legs, particularly on the speed option, as a weapon -- the game was over. It's difficult to replace a total offense QB weapon like Trevone Boykin, but Hill seems like a good fit.

SDSU beat 0-12 Kansas last year, not K-State. Big difference.

[Stray]

College football is better when Texas is legit.

[dabvu2498]

I think Swoopes may have maimed that poor DB.

[Stray]

Good for Texas man. Great win with everyone watching.

[Boston Red]

College football is better when Texas is legit.

Disagree. Luckily I don't think Texas is there yet.

[Stray]

Disagree. Luckily I don't think Texas is there yet.

Eh, maybe they are or they aren't, but Texas is a premiere program. Sports do better when premiere teams are good.

Their fanbase is great. It's better if they're in it this year imo.

[RedTeamGo!]

I agree. It just doesn't seem right when both USC and Texas are dumpster fires.

[KronoRed]

Disagree. Luckily I don't think Texas is there yet.

They have no defense and can score points, that wins in the big 12-2.

[Boston Red]

Eh, maybe they are or they aren't, but Texas is a premiere program. Sports do better when premiere teams are good.

Their fanbase is great. It's better if they're in it this year imo.


I prefer it when BYU is annihilating them on an annual basis.

[Razor Shines]

Whelp, less than 1 game and I'm already sick of hearing "18 Wheeler package."


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[Revering4Blue]

I agree. It just doesn't seem right when both USC and Texas are dumpster fires.

I am not about to yet write off USC, but this article, IMO, is spot on.

Honeymoon is over for USC coach Clay Helton.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/usc-727929-alabama-game.html

[WVRed]

Eh, maybe they are or they aren't, but Texas is a premiere program. Sports do better when premiere teams are good.

Their fanbase is great. It's better if they're in it this year imo.

I think if Texas turns it around, this is the year to do it.

Oklahoma is the heavy favorite, even with the loss to Houston, and Texas did pull off the Red River Rivalry last year.

Baylor is a hot mess with Briles gone. TCU is replacing Boykin with Kenny "Trill". Oklahoma State is a possibility as Gundys teams have a tendency to catch lightning in a bottle. Same with Kansas State. WVU could be a sleeper team in the Big 12 but they will probably be middle of the pack.

Outside of Oklahoma though, the rest of the conference is up for grabs.


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[IslandRed]

I'm uneasy about FSU's opener tonight with Ole Miss. I'm more optimistic about beating Clemson at the end of October, and it's not because I think Ole Miss is better than Clemson. It's just the redshirt-freshman-first-start factor. FSU folks are very, very high on Deondre Francois but that doesn't mean he's going to play well today.

[19braves77]

I get no pleasure from seeing Ole Miss winning, it does make me a bit happy to see Jimbo look so constipated.

Bama will atleast know how not to cover Ole Miss. FSU Defense looks terrible.

[Boston Red]

This one's far from over. Big TD before halftime.

[Tom Servo]

Francois looks like a fun player to watch, definitely more interesting than Sean Maguire. Hugh Freeze and Ole Miss...wha happa?

[IslandRed]

Turns out the rookie QB should have been the least of my concerns, but it sorted itself out. I'll take it.

It was a weird game, though. In real time, I could barely believe FSU came back to win. Reading the stat sheet, you wonder why FSU didn't win by more.

[WrongVerb]

For those who don't know, FSU is my alma mater. And I made the classic mistake of turning the game off too early. As in when the score was 28-6 Ole Miss. Should have known better.

[Stray]

FSU's comeback was impressive. Offense definitely got it together, but it was that D lineman Walker who totally crashed Ole Miss' second half.

[texasdave]

For those who don't know, FSU is my alma mater. And I made the classic mistake of turning the game off too early. As in when the score was 28-6 Ole Miss. Should have known better.

Viewing tip: Turn the game off, but still record it, if possible. Just in case. I learned that the hard way.

[WrongVerb]

Viewing tip: Turn the game off, but still record it, if possible. Just in case. I learned that the hard way.

It's funny, I don't usually give up like that. Learned that from a Reds game I attended years ago, only to leave early (had to drive back to Dayton) and the Reds scored 5 or 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th to walk off with the win. Since then, I won't leave a live event early because of the score. Apparently that advice needs to be adhered to as well while watching the game.

[Stray]

Kirk Ferentz is literally going to coach Iowa forever.

[Sea Ray]

I think there are real problems on Rocky Top.

App State is good but Tennessee was a three score favorite. They were also fortunate that Appalachia State was undersized and cramping started to take an effect.

The problem was composure. Tennessee had an advantage at every skill position and couldn't execute. Dobbs made some careless mistakes and Hurd couldn't get any traction.

A friend of mine is a UT fan and was at the game last night. He said the last home opener he went to was the triple overtime game against UAB and that was Dooleys final year. He's on the fire Butch Jones bandwagon for sure.




We'll see. I was worried going into this that they were not going to live up to the hype. As far as I'm concerned it came down to Dobbs. He's got to either contribute as a running QB or a throwing QB. He contributed neither vs App St. If they don't turn the corner this year then absolutely Butch is on the hot seat. They've got a tough one vs Va Tech this week. I hope to see improvement. I'm used to seeing big changes from week one to two in major college and pro football.

[WVRed]

We'll see. I was worried going into this that they were not going to live up to the hype. As far as I'm concerned it came down to Dobbs. He's got to either contribute as a running QB or a throwing QB. He contributed neither vs App St. If they don't turn the corner this year then absolutely Butch is on the hot seat. They've got a tough one vs Va Tech this week. I hope to see improvement. I'm used to seeing big changes from week one to two in major college and pro football.

They should have no problem with Va Tech. They are in a transition with Fuente taking over.


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[Sea Ray]

They should have no problem with Va Tech. They are in a transition with Fuente taking over.




Would Va Tech beat App St?

[Chip R]

Kirk Ferentz is literally going to coach Iowa forever.

Someone said on Twitter that he is the perfect mix of being worth the money and not worth the money at the same time because of a buyout that would get him 75% of his remaining salary.

[Boston Red]

AP poll voters got a bit carried away with Texas's win over Notre Dame. Nice win? Absolutely. Worthy of a move from unranked to #11. Are you effing kidding me?!?

The coaches' poll put the Horns at a much more reasonable #20.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Someone said on Twitter that he is the perfect mix of being worth the money and not worth the money at the same time because of a buyout that would get him 75% of his remaining salary.

He gets paid a lot, but he generally has Iowa relevant and that is probably worth more than $4.5M a year. I think he might be slightly overrated, but that is a program that could easily turn into Purdue in the wrong hands.

[KronoRed]

Kirk Ferentz is literally going to coach Iowa forever.

Iowa just hates to hire football coaches.

[Assembly Hall]

He gets paid a lot, but he generally has Iowa relevant and that is probably worth more than $4.5M a year. I think he might be slightly overrated, but that is a program that could easily turn into Purdue in the wrong hands.

Bingo. He does a fine job at Iowa. And I loved the Purdue reference.

[jojo]

He gets paid a lot, but he generally has Iowa relevant and that is probably worth more than $4.5M a year. I think he might be slightly overrated, but that is a program that could easily turn into Purdue in the wrong hands.

Or Indiana.

[Assembly Hall]

Or Indiana.

LMFAO...........Indiana has very rarely been relevant. Purdue has my SEC friend.

[Chip R]

Bingo. He does a fine job at Iowa. And I loved the Purdue reference.

A couple of years ago, people were grumbling about him enough that talk of his buyout was a big topic. In the end, Ferentz is pretty safe at Iowa as long as he takes them to a bowl pretty much every year. He's pushing 70 so when it comes down to it, no one wants to force him out despite how much they complain about him. A lot of them still remember how bad it was in the 60s and 70s. They may think they can do better but they don't want to chance it. He keeps getting contract extensions so there's no one with pitchforks and torches demanding he be fired.

[bucksfan2]

Iowa is different than Purdue, the program that I think you can compare them to is Illinois. Iowa has a pretty storied tradition, has a very loyal fan base, it is the state school in Iowa. It has a ton of things going for them, most notably that football is king and there really isn't anything else nearby. Now Iowa may not be a good recruiting state, they still have advantages many other programs don't have, most notably facilities and money.

I think what happens if they hire the wrong coach is they turn into Illinois. A once prominent football school but a football school that fallen on hard times. I think Iowa knows who they are much more than a team like Illinois does. Ferenez keeps them relevant on a year in year out basis, and gives them a chance to compete for a B1G title every few years. I think they also wouldn't be afraid to spend for a big time coach, unlike the Purdont's of the world.

[Boston Red]

He keeps getting contract extensions so there's no one with pitchforks and torches demanding he be fired.


Where is this conversation coming from anyway? They were in the Rose Bowl last year.

[Assembly Hall]

Where is this conversation coming from anyway? They were in the Rose Bowl last year.

And damn near were in the "Final Four".

[Chip R]

Where is this conversation coming from anyway? They were in the Rose Bowl last year.

2 years ago when they went 7-6 and lost to Tennessee in the Taxslayer Bowl. Losing to Central Michigan at home a few years before that. Humiliated by Stanford in the Rose Bowl last year. I'm originally from Iowa and still have friends and family there so I keep my ear to the ground.

Most of it is normal complaining and moaning that even the most successful programs get from their fans. Most don't think he's a bad coach but he's certainly not worth what he's being paid even though they rake in money hand over fist. The Rose Bowl last year, while exciting in 1982 when they hadn't been there in 23 years, was more of a consolation prize from losing the Big 10 Championship game. And that is what happens when you have playoffs. If you're not in the Final Four, the other bowl games aren't all that anymore.

No one seriously wants to fire him there. A lot of it is just grist for the media mill.

[bucksfan2]

2 years ago when they went 7-6 and lost to Tennessee in the Taxslayer Bowl. Losing to Central Michigan at home a few years before that. Humiliated by Stanford in the Rose Bowl last year. I'm originally from Iowa and still have friends and family there so I keep my ear to the ground.

Most of it is normal complaining and moaning that even the most successful programs get from their fans. Most don't think he's a bad coach but he's certainly not worth what he's being paid even though they rake in money hand over fist. The Rose Bowl last year, while exciting in 1982 when they hadn't been there in 23 years, was more of a consolation prize from losing the Big 10 Championship game. And that is what happens when you have playoffs. If you're not in the Final Four, the other bowl games aren't all that anymore.

No one seriously wants to fire him there. A lot of it is just grist for the media mill.

He was always like Mike Richt for me. They were good coaches and would find themselves on the hot seat every so often. However the year they found themselves on the hot seat they had very good years and got extensions. I don't think he is a top tier head coach, but he is just below that. If they fired him they could get a nice rising assistant coach. However that assistant could be Tom Herman or could be Darrell Hazell.

[jojo]

LMFAO...........Indiana has very rarely been relevant. Purdue has my SEC friend.

I was there during the Tiller years. Relevant is in the eyes of the beholder. Before Tiller, you need to read newspapers written in hieroglyphics to see compelling football.

[Sea Ray]

Iowa rode an incredibly easy schedule en route to the Rose Bowl last year. I don't think they played a ranked team the entire regular season and when they did play a good team, they got blown out in the Bowl game just like they did the previous year. Now maybe that's as good as it gets in Iowa, all things considered. I don't know.

[Chip R]

He was always like Mike Richt for me. They were good coaches and would find themselves on the hot seat every so often. However the year they found themselves on the hot seat they had very good years and got extensions. I don't think he is a top tier head coach, but he is just below that. If they fired him they could get a nice rising assistant coach. However that assistant could be Tom Herman or could be Darrell Hazell.

Yeah. But that's the problem. Like I said, he's worth the money but at the same time he's not worth the money. He's worth it because he's keeping the program on a high level, they sell out every game and they have great seasons every once in a while. But he's not worth it because he's getting paid a lot and they aren't elite. There are the bad bowl losses and the losses to smaller schools like Central Michigan and a near-loss to Northern Iowa. He's also right around .500 against Iowa State who is usually awful. Richt is a good comparison. John Cooper is another good comparison. Good but not good enough. They could pay his buyout but why fire him? Now, if they stopped being competitive, that's another story.

[Boston Red]

Iowa is not Georgia or Ohio State.

[Chip R]

Iowa is not Georgia or Ohio State.

No, they're not. Still, their fans and alum want to be talked about in the same breath as the Georgias and the Ohio States. For some, the easy way to improve the program is to replace the coach. They reason that they are in a P5 conference, they have a great tradition and fan support so why shouldn't they be elite? Deep down, I believe they know they are very unlikely to be among the elite. But look what happened to Oregon. Look what happened to Baylor, Michigan State and, for a while, Virginia Tech. Perhaps some feel they could be like those schools and the first step in doing that would be to replace Ferentz. But that is highly unlikely unless they quit being competitive. The next few weeks won't be a make or break thing but if they lose to Iowa State (highly unkikely) and/or North Dakota State (somewhat likely) Ferentz's seat may get warmer than it is now. But not like Les Miles hot.

[jojo]

Iowa is not Georgia or Ohio State.

Georgia isn't whatever it's fanbase delusionally claims that it is.

[RedTeamGo!]

To be fair to Iowa, only 2 other teams are on the level of Ohio State right now - Alabama and Florida St.

[Boston Red]

To be fair to Iowa, only 2 other teams are on the level of Ohio State right now - Alabama and Florida St.

And Houston!!!!

[Eric from NC]

Iowa is different than Purdue, the program that I think you can compare them to is Illinois. Iowa has a pretty storied tradition, has a very loyal fan base, it is the state school in Iowa. It has a ton of things going for them, most notably that football is king and there really isn't anything else nearby. Now Iowa may not be a good recruiting state, they still have advantages many other programs don't have, most notably facilities and money.

I think what happens if they hire the wrong coach is they turn into Illinois. A once prominent football school but a football school that fallen on hard times. I think Iowa knows who they are much more than a team like Illinois does. Ferenez keeps them relevant on a year in year out basis, and gives them a chance to compete for a B1G title every few years. I think they also wouldn't be afraid to spend for a big time coach, unlike the Purdont's of the world.

I would agree with the above sentiments. College Football pay like CEO pay sometimes makes one think that capitalism sometimes rewards mediocrity with good pr more than excellence. However, Iowa does seem to be paddling upstream with the fact that there are few 4-5 star recruits within a 5 hour drive, which is the successful formula to most of the historic programs. Obviously, Oregon is an outlier, but their Nike ties make them unique. I could see Iowa burning through a lot of coaches when Ferenez leaves, although Iowa clearly is top 40 job with tradition, decent placement of players into the nfl, good academics.

[Stray]

Pretty good game so far for the Bearcats. Altho converting 100 straight 3rd downs is usually a pretty good gameplan.

[paintmered]

Purdue is well, Purdue. But UC has looked much sharper and ready to play today than they did last Thursday. That's been a rarity for Tubberville coached teams on the road.

[Tom Servo]

I am still not sure what I just saw with Oklahoma State and Central Michigan.

[Sea Ray]

I am still not sure what I just saw with Oklahoma State and Central Michigan.

ESPN called it a final a few minutes before that play on their line at the bottom of the screen, OK ST 27 CMU 24

Mighty pretty play. Gotta love college football

[Tom Servo]

ESPN called it a final a few minutes before that play on their line at the bottom of the screen, OK ST 27 CMU 24

Mighty pretty play. Gotta love college football
As soon as they announced there would be one play with no time left it almost felt inevitable that that play would happen. And apparently the refs are now admitting they screwed up by giving Central Michigan that play after the intentional grounding penalty.

[WVRed]

I'm actually hoping Kentucky makes a coaching change in season. Fire Stoops and give Eddie Gran the interim tag and make Hinshaw the sole offensive coordinator.

Kentucky isn't even trying now. Last weeks loss just completely killed the team and the season is lost. They are playing that way now against Florida.


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[jojo]

I'm actually hoping Kentucky makes a coaching change in season. Fire Stoops and give Eddie Gran the interim tag and make Hinshaw the sole offensive coordinator.

Kentucky isn't even trying now. Last weeks loss just completely killed the team and the season is lost. They are playing that way now against Florida.


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Ive given up assuming KY is going to turn around their program.

[WVRed]

Ive given up assuming KY is going to turn around their program.

The talent is there but Stoops can't coach them over the hump. He has done that much but without wins that will dry up too.


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[jojo]

The talent is there but Stoops can't coach them over the hump. He has done that much but without wins that will dry up too.


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KY laid a huge egg today.

[WVRed]

KY laid a huge egg today.

Drew Barker was pulled after throwing more passes to the opposing team (3) than his own players(2).


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[jojo]

Drew Barker was pulled after throwing more passes to the opposing team (3) than his own players(2).


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Florida is so deep into their depth chart that theyre playing refugees now.

[jojo]

Drew Barker was pulled after throwing more passes to the opposing team (3) than his own players(2).


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Florida is so deep into their depth chart that theyre playing refugees now.

[paintmered]

Illinois St. just beat Northwestern on a last-second field goal off the left upright.

[Stray]

They could just give Stoops the wrong flight info and accidentally leave him in Florida.

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[WVRed]

UK fans have already started a GoFundMe for Stoops buyout:

https://www.gofundme.com/25b9bpbq


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[Roy Tucker]

This game at Bristol Motor Speedway is pretty nuts. Quite the spectacle.

[KronoRed]

Kentucky could go winless, they didn't give a crap today and it's game 2.

[KronoRed]

This game at Bristol Motor Speedway is pretty nuts. Quite the spectacle.
One could make a fortune selling binoculars in the stands.

[RedTeamGo!]

Why was Tennessee preseason ranked top 10?

[Roy Tucker]

542,000 beers.

[dabvu2498]

My father-in-law is high up in what is normally turn 3... Says it's basically unwatchable.

ETSU is playing Western Carolina there next weekend. That'll be a little different look.

[jimbo]

Kentucky could go winless, they didn't give a crap today and it's game 2.

It's dumbfounding how they have supposedly upgraded the talent level every year since Stoops came in, yet this could end up being his worst team.

[paintmered]

And Houston!!!!

That ends Thursday evening. :)

[jojo]

This game at Bristol Motor Speedway is pretty nuts. Quite the spectacle.

What a horrible venue for a football game. About 70% of the seats could be fairly described as stealing.

[Chip R]

What a horrible venue for a football game. About 70% of the seats could be fairly described as stealing.

Is it worse than the highest seats at Michigan Stadium or Ohio Stadium or Neyland Stadium?

[IslandRed]

Is it worse than the highest seats at Michigan Stadium or Ohio Stadium or Neyland Stadium?

There are stadiums where the farthest seats from the field are closer than the main stands were at Bristol.

But, you know, everyone already knew that, or should have. People went for the novel experience, not the view.

[cumberlandreds]

My father-in-law is high up in what is normally turn 3... Says it's basically unwatchable.

ETSU is playing Western Carolina there next weekend. That'll be a little different look.

I would venture say that ETSU won't draw 160,000 fans to that game. :)

[cumberlandreds]

UK fans have already started a GoFundMe for Stoops buyout:

https://www.gofundme.com/25b9bpbq


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Darn. Must have been pulled. I was ready to contribute. :)

When does basketball start? Football is over in Kentucky for 2016.

[cumberlandreds]

As soon as they announced there would be one play with no time left it almost felt inevitable that that play would happen. And apparently the refs are now admitting they screwed up by giving Central Michigan that play after the intentional grounding penalty.

Saw this morning the refs for that game have been suspended for two weeks. Should be longer IMO.

[Sea Ray]

Why was Tennessee preseason ranked top 10?

Talent

[wolfboy]

Kentucky could go winless, they didn't give a crap today and it's game 2.

55 yards passing. In related news, big thanks to UK for taking Eddie Gran off our hands.

[Boston Red]

55 yards passing. In related news, big thanks to UK for taking Eddie Gran off our hands.

And Lamar Thomas off ours!

[Sea Ray]

I have something a little different to discuss. Anyone notice the Oregon-Virginia game? Probably not since it was on so late. Here's the scoop: Oregon is up by 18 with under 2 mins to go. Virginia is out of TOs. Oregon can easily kneel 3x and the game's over. Instead they push towards another TD, even had one called back due to a penalty and the Oregon coaches are pretty upset about that call. In the end, Oregon runs out of time and the game ends with no further scoring.

My issue is this: It seems to me that Oregon felt pressure to score again due to the point spread which was 20 points. At the very least that "isn't right" and at worst there's something nefarious going on. What do you think? Why would Oregon be trying to score again with an 18 pt lead?

[Boston Red]

The point spread was actually 24. Don't ask me how I know. :)

[RedTeamGo!]

Simple: Margin of victory matters. Just look at Clemson. They are 2-0, but because of low margins of victory they have dropped in rankings.

[Sea Ray]

A huge coaching error in judgement in the UConn/Navy game. The clock is stopped with 17 secs left. UConn has the ball inside the Navy 2, behind by 4. Like an idiot the UConn coach calls his last time out. This effectively takes the run off the table 'cause it' near impossible to run into the line, get everyone unpiled and snap it again. But the coach disagrees with me and does try to run the ball. Navy stuffs him and of course the clock expires. Afterwards the coach blames the refs for not unpiling the players and spotting the ball more quickly. On top of that the idiot announcers said (with :17s left) that it was a good decision. I thought no way! He'll need that TO in case a guy gets stopped inbounds.

http://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/navy_sports/ph-ac-cs-fbc-navy-uconn-911-20160910-story.html

There were numerous clock errors in the NFL yesterday too

[Sea Ray]

The point spread was actually 24. Don't ask me how I know. :)

It varied depending on the source but that makes my point. They needed 7 pts to cover it. Listening to ESPN radio Sat afternoon, they have these 1-800 sportsbettors on there pushing their guaranteed winners and Oregon was one of them.

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Simple: Margin of victory matters. Just look at Clemson. They are 2-0, but because of low margins of victory they have dropped in rankings.

But is there a difference between 18 and 25 pts?

[Chip R]

Simple: Margin of victory matters. Just look at Clemson. They are 2-0, but because of low margins of victory they have dropped in rankings.

Beating someone by 25 or 18 isn't going to really matter to people margin of victory wise. Now if they were up 50 some and they had a chance to make it in the 60s or 70s, that may move the needle.

[RedTeamGo!]

But is there a difference between 18 and 25 pts?

Yes. Seven.

[bucksfan2]

I have something a little different to discuss. Anyone notice the Oregon-Virginia game? Probably not since it was on so late. Here's the scoop: Oregon is up by 18 with under 2 mins to go. Virginia is out of TOs. Oregon can easily kneel 3x and the game's over. Instead they push towards another TD, even had one called back due to a penalty and the Oregon coaches are pretty upset about that call. In the end, Oregon runs out of time and the game ends with no further scoring.

My issue is this: It seems to me that Oregon felt pressure to score again due to the point spread which was 20 points. At the very least that "isn't right" and at worst there's something nefarious going on. What do you think? Why would Oregon be trying to score again with an 18 pt lead?

Trying to get game action? Stuff like this happens in college football because the lack of preseason, and only a few warm up games before conference play starts. I don't know if there was a beef between the schools or not which would cause Oregon to try and run up the scores. But you do see teams, especially early in games, do their best to run as many plays and execute as many drives.