Indiana Basketball Continued AGAIN

[Hoosier Red]

Per the mods instructions to start a new thread.

Pleased with the win last night.
As much as anything it was valuable because a loss would have been SO devastating. Not that losing to Iowa is anything to cry over, but it would have meant IU was facing a 3 game losing streak in East Lansing, and an absolute MUST WIN against Nebraska at home next week.

There's just something about that Cornhusker's squad that gives me the heebie jeebies. Especially when they've already won on the road at Michigan State.

But nothing to worry about now. Hold serve at home, beat Illinois on the road and you're 14-4, likely no worse than 2nd in the B1G.

[Revering4Blue]

Harrison Niego...

You cannot stop him; You can only hope to contain him.

[Razor Shines]

Where in the world is Harrison Niego?

[Assembly Hall]

Where in the world is Harrison Niego?

On the IU bench, right next to Priller!!!!!!!!!

[Assembly Hall]

Big one tonight gents. Gonna be interesting to see how the Hoosiers handle Purdue's bigs.

[dubc47834]

Big one tonight gents. Gonna be interesting to see how the Hoosiers handle Purdue's bigs.

Yes it is. With Maryland and Iowa losing this is important. Also, I think this game will go a long way in determining IU's seeding come tourney time!

[gilpdawg]

That was impressive. Purdue's good. You knew they'd make a run. And they did. I think last year, or the year before they'd blow that game.

And at the risk of getting a bunch of crap flung my way....I think Crean has done an amazing coaching job this year. Compare this team to the Duke game. It's not even the same team.

[Assembly Hall]

That was impressive. Purdue's good. You knew they'd make a run. And they did. I think last year, or the year before they'd blow that game.

And at the risk of getting a bunch of crap flung my way....I think Crean has done an amazing coaching job this year. Compare this team to the Duke game. It's not even the same team.

Interesting comments. Ones that I cant disagree with whatsoever.

IU has finally started playing defense. I really feel the reason for this is OG and Morgan getting major minutes.

I just hope they keep it going.

[dubc47834]

Interesting comments. Ones that I cant disagree with whatsoever.

IU has finally started playing defense. I really feel the reason for this is OG and Morgan getting major minutes.

I just hope they keep it going.

I agree about OG and Morgan. Also, I think they realized they were going to lose a lot of games if they didn't get it together. Also makes you wonder if Crean had the team prepared to begin the season! I think coach has done an excellent job this year, still not a fan of his X's and O's, but his sub patterns has been tolerable and the team as a whole has progressed. Now if he could just get Troy to play the way he did last night every game. He was diving for balls and all over the court. Good win last night!!!

[thatcoolguy_22]

That was impressive. Purdue's good. You knew they'd make a run. And they did. I think last year, or the year before they'd blow that game.

And at the risk of getting a bunch of crap flung my way....I think Crean has done an amazing coaching job this year. Compare this team to the Duke game. It's not even the same team.

Crean has been outstanding and it hurts me a little to say it. I have been saying he needs to be let go since the debacle against syracuse in '13. This team looks primed for a deep run. I think a 4 seed is reasonable and if things break well these next couple weeks they could play as high as a 2 seed. With the way this year started, im shocked. Also, after the Duke implosion i put $20 on IU to win it all at +14000 on a whim. Lets go Hoosiers! Papa needs one of those fancy robot vacuums.

[Assembly Hall]

I might have touched on this in the old thread, but CTC imo has changed this year. He is not afraid to sit the "Bad Troy" down and I loved it when he called a TO just to chew on Yogi's arsz. I am still not a fan of his substitution patterns or his half court offense sets.

[Hoosier Red]

I might have touched on this in the old thread, but CTC imo has changed this year. He is not afraid to sit the "Bad Troy" down and I loved it when he called a TO just to chew on Yogi's arsz. I am still not a fan of his substitution patterns or his half court offense sets.

In the Bengals thread I made the analogy of six sided die to replace Marvin Lewis. In that analogy, 1 side is definitely better, 2 sides are about the same & 3 sides are markedly worse.

I'm starting to think of Crean in a similar vein. It's probably closer to 2 sides better, 2 sides about the same long term(but with an initial drop off) and 2 sides that are markedly worse.

[Assembly Hall]

Rumors have it that RoJo will be a game time decision against the Illini. I suspect he will miss the game.

[Hillsdale87]

If that's the only game he has to miss, I would be thrilled. Much more important to have him for Iowa and Maryland.

[Assembly Hall]

I wouldnt be surprised if RoJo cant go, that the Hoosiers go big.

[gilpdawg]

They've already said he's out.

[Assembly Hall]

Well the Hoosiers now sit alone atop the B1G standings.

[Assembly Hall]

Wow, fellas I am starting really to believe in this team.

[thatcoolguy_22]

Unreal season so far. IU is 23-6 overall and they gave away UNLV and Wake Forest early in the year. If they win those 2 early, IU is likely ranked in the top 5 right now. Crean is a magnificent bas- man with the way he has turned this year around. Yogi is the basketball's version of John McClane. Troy Williams is Keyser Soze, OG is a young Ola, Niego is a pleasant mixture of Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarti, and Bryant is the Juggernaut.

Very enjoyable season

[dubc47834]

Didn't see that 2nd half coming. Yogi 19pts...Illinois, 19 pts!

[Assembly Hall]

Here is another one...........

First 6 minutes......Illinois 14-4

Last 34 minutes....Indiana 70-33

[Hoosier Red]

I'll say this, two types of teams make me nervous in a bad way in March.
Teams that can't hit jump shots, and teams that hit a ton of jump shots.

As an example, teams like Purdue all too often fall into the former category. I'm guessing they are knocked out about a round before their seed says they should.
I'm doing everything I can to talk myself out of fearing IU is in the 2nd category.

[thatcoolguy_22]

Since Iowa lost yesterday, IU is ensured at least a share of the B1G regular season title. A win either @Iowa or vs Maryland and they win the outright reg season title.

[Assembly Hall]

Since Iowa lost yesterday, IU is ensured at least to share to the B1G regular season title. A win either @Iowa or vs Maryland and they win the outright reg season title.

It is just simply amazing. Before the season started most IU fans were projecting a finish of somewhere between 3rd and 5th in the B1G. Now there will be banner hoisted.

[dubc47834]

It is just simply amazing. Before the season started most IU fans were projecting a finish of somewhere between 3rd and 5th in the B1G. Now there will be banner hoisted.

I think most honest IU fans going into the B10 season might not even have IU in the top 5. Simply amazing how this team has turned it around since the Duke loss(really since the Blackmon injury)! Also pretty cool that IU wrapped up a share of the title without playing a game this weekend!!!

I think Steph Curry just hit another 3!!!

[Assembly Hall]

I think most honest IU fans going into the B10 season might not even have IU in the top 5. Simply amazing how this team has turned it around since the Duke loss(really since the Blackmon injury)! Also pretty cool that IU wrapped up a share of the title without playing a game this weekend!!!

I think Steph Curry just hit another 3!!!

I was talking pre-season, but yeah you are right. Heading into conference play there wasnt a lot of optimism.

It will be interesting to see how the game turns out tomorrow. Iowa is reeling and the Hoosiers are flying high.

[dubc47834]

I was talking pre-season, but yeah you are right. Heading into conference play there wasnt a lot of optimism.

It will be interesting to see how the game turns out tomorrow. Iowa is reeling and the Hoosiers are flying high.

If they win both the Iowa game and Maryland game, I could see IU being ranked in the top 10 next week. Not that it matters much!!!

[Assembly Hall]

If they win both the Iowa game and Maryland game, I could see IU being ranked in the top 10 next week. Not that it matters much!!!

I just wonder where IU would be seeded if they won their next 2 games and then won the BTT?

[dubc47834]

I just wonder where IU would be seeded if they won their next 2 games and then won the BTT?

In that scenario, I could see them as high as a #2, probably a #3 tho!

[Assembly Hall]

In that scenario, I could see them as high as a #2, probably a #3 tho!

I just dont know, they aint getting a lot of love in the polls. But in that scenario they would be 28-6, 15-3 in the B1G with an out right championship, BTT champs, and really only one miserable loss(Wake Forest). To me that that should put them on the #1 line depending on what happens with the other CT's.

But it is moot anyway, got a feeling the Hawks are gonna get out a can of whoop arsz!

[Hoosier Red]

Just got a boost in the polls. Up to #12 in AP.

Tough turnaround for Iowa, lose a gut punch on Sunday late afternoon on road. Fly back to Iowa City (which would depress the hell out of me) and then back at it Tuesday night.

[Assembly Hall]

Just got a boost in the polls. Up to #12 in AP.

Tough turnaround for Iowa, lose a gut punch on Sunday late afternoon on road. Fly back to Iowa City (which would depress the hell out of me) and then back at it Tuesday night.

You can actually fly into Iowa City now?

[thatcoolguy_22]

Seth Greenberg says IU is a Final Four team while breaking down the IU @ Iowa game


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14871503



Also in the above scenario of IU winning the B1G tournament, they absolutely would be a #1 seed.

[Assembly Hall]

Seth Greenberg says IU is a Final Four team while breaking down the IU @ Iowa game


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14871503



Also in the above scenario of IU winning the B1G tournament, they absolutely would be a #1 seed.

During the Illinois broadcast Dakich said they were a Final Four team as well.

[Hoosier Red]

During the Illinois broadcast Dakich said they were a Final Four team as well.

All we need is for one more talking clown to endorse them to the final four and I'm picking a first round exit. :(

[dubc47834]

All we need is for one more talking clown to endorse them to the final four and I'm picking a first round exit. :(

Just waiting for Dickie V and his kiss of death!!!

[thatcoolguy_22]

This officiating is horrendous.

[Assembly Hall]

And they survive!!!!!!!! Hoosier Nation is rocking right now!!!!!!!!!!

[thatcoolguy_22]

Woooohoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

[dubc47834]

Great game last night! Really thought they were going to blow it there late, but Iowa gave it right back to them. Really happy for Yogi! Now let's go beat Maryland.

As far as seeding for the NCAA, after seeing the rankings, if IU beats Maryland and wins the B10 tourney, there is no reason that IU couldn't be a 1 seed come the NCAA. Here's why they won't be tho, Michigan State.....we know that the selection committee loves them and the national media loves them. They deserve some of the respect, but honestly they haven't had that great of a year and look where they are ranked. Kinda ridiculous! In the end, I think MSU will be a higher seed than IU, regardless of how IU plays here on out!

[Assembly Hall]

Great game last night! Really thought they were going to blow it there late, but Iowa gave it right back to them. Really happy for Yogi! Now let's go beat Maryland.

As far as seeding for the NCAA, after seeing the rankings, if IU beats Maryland and wins the B10 tourney, there is no reason that IU couldn't be a 1 seed come the NCAA. Here's why they won't be tho, Michigan State.....we know that the selection committee loves them and the national media loves them. They deserve some of the respect, but honestly they haven't had that great of a year and look where they are ranked. Kinda ridiculous! In the end, I think MSU will be a higher seed than IU, regardless of how IU plays here on out!

I concur about the game, and to think that was done without two starters. OG and Morgan are something else.

The thing about MSU is how many of their losses came when Valentine was hurt? I think the committee wil take that into account. Sparty also has a shot to finish in sole possession of 2nd place and it is a pretty good one. But there is no way in hell that if IU wins the BTT that MSU should be seeded over them in the dance.

[dubc47834]

I concur about the game, and to think that was done without two starters. OG and Morgan are something else.

The thing about MSU is how many of their losses came when Valentine was hurt? I think the committee wil take that into account. Sparty also has a shot to finish in sole possession of 2nd place and it is a pretty good one. But there is no way in hell that if IU wins the BTT that MSU should be seeded over them in the dance.

I agree, but if this plays out like IU fans hope it does, I think MSU will still be a higher seed. The only way I don't see that happening is if the Hoosiers win the B10 tourney and MSU losses the 1st game!

Hopefully Morgan doesn't miss much time, that looked really bad!

[Larkin11]

As an ex-Indiana resident, I think I'm going to have to root for the Hoosiers now that my Cards won't be in the post-season. Surprisingly, Crean's done a great job this year. This team's a lot of fun to watch.

[Assembly Hall]

As an ex-Indiana resident, I think I'm going to have to root for the Hoosiers now that my Cards won't be in the post-season. Surprisingly, Crean's done a great job this year. This team's a lot of fun to watch.

Welcome aboard the "band wagon"!!!!!!!!!

[thatcoolguy_22]

Any word on Morgan? RoJo?


Also, i was wearing an IU hoodie yesterday here in South Korea and a korean teenager on the subway pointed to the IU and told me he likes Yogi. So theres that.

[Assembly Hall]

Any word on Morgan? RoJo?

Well this what I am hearing on other sites......Morgan's injury is something he has been dealing with all season. From what hear, if he gets 3-4 days off he is back to normal. But he might need off season surgery on that shoulder. As far as RoJo...the jury is still out other than he will definitely be back by the NCAAT...but some report that he might play in the BTT.

Who knows? But if I come across any new information I will post it.

[Assembly Hall]

Just found this......

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/03/03/iu-stock-watch-s-all-roses-bloomington/81263324/

[thatcoolguy_22]

Under appreciated performances in IU history

George Leach in 2002 Final four game against Oklahoma

I'm bored at work and just watched game again

First half IU started terrible on offense. 9 points total at the midway point. Jared Jeffries picks up his second foul and Mike Davis substituted in George Leach. OU was on a bit of a run scoring on 5 straight possessions and it looked like IU would fall impossibly far behind. Their offense was really wretched at the moment. George Leach to the rescue. The official box score says he only played 6 minutes, but tgey were all high pressure minutes. He was credited with 2 blocks (I counted 3) and he had a couple rebounds as well. However, all of his blocks were of the get the crowd screaming variety that led to easy transition baskets that sparked the IU offense. Even when he wasn't getting blocks, he caused a lot of ugly shots by Oklahoma.

Only 6 minutes on the court, but without them, I posit that IU could have fallen behind 20 points and never faced Maryland in the championship game.

I only mention this because I forgot he even existed until I watched the game again. Anyone remember any similar performances from unlikely role players for IU?

[Assembly Hall]

Anyone remember any similar performances from unlikely role players for IU?

Jim Thomas in the '81 FF. I do believe he made the all FF team that year.

[thatcoolguy_22]

What a way to finish the regular season. Bravo, hoosiers, bravo

[Strikes Out Looking]

Banner up in B-town!

[Assembly Hall]

One of the knocks on Crean has been that his teams dont finish strongly.

[dubc47834]

One of the knocks on Crean has been that his teams dont finish strongly.

This was the 1st game in a while where they got up big and didn't really let the other team back in it late. Every time Maryland made a run, IU countered. It really was impressive, as impressive a win I think they have had all year. I'm probly gonna bite the bullet on this later, but Im really excited for this team come tourney time. I think they can make some really loud noise!

[Razor Shines]

This was the 1st game in a while where they got up big and didn't really let the other team back in it late. Every time Maryland made a run, IU countered. It really was impressive, as impressive a win I think they have had all year. I'm probly gonna bite the bullet on this later, but Im really excited for this team come tourney time. I think they can make some really loud noise!

I don't think it's really necessary for us to qualify our excitement about this team any longer. Believe me I know that's incredibly difficult but I believe this team is different. I think certainly we've had cause to regret our excitement going into the tournament with previous Cream teams and this team may not make the FF4 because anything can happen but I see no reason why I need to feel sheepish in thinking this team has as good a chance as any other team to make a deep run this year.

[dubc47834]

I don't think it's really necessary for us to qualify our excitement about this team any longer. Believe me I know that's incredibly difficult but I believe this team is different. I think certainly we've had cause to regret our excitement going into the tournament with previous Cream teams and this team may not make the FF4 because anything can happen but I see no reason why I need to feel sheepish in thinking this team has as good a chance as any other team to make a deep run this year.

I hear what your saying, but for some reason in the back of my mind I have this nervousness about this team. Like you said, tourney time is a whole different beast, it's a way different game that's called different from the way B10 games are called. I think the way IU plays bodes well for them, but you never know. I hope we can make a good run! Im not that guy that says we need to make E8 of F4, just so long as we don't get beat by a team that we are better than or just don't play the way they are supposed to.

[Assembly Hall]

I hear what your saying, but for some reason in the back of my mind I have this nervousness about this team. Like you said, tourney time is a whole different beast, it's a way different game that's called different from the way B10 games are called. I think the way IU plays bodes well for them, but you never know. I hope we can make a good run! Im not that guy that says we need to make E8 of F4, just so long as we don't get beat by a team that we are better than or just don't play the way they are supposed to.

Nothing wrong with being nervous at all. But this IU team since JBJ went down is different. Everybody in the country knows we can shoot the ball from deep and it aint just our guards. This IU team crashes the boards. This IU team plays defense. And most importantly, this IU team plays team basketball. They ate the Terps up by passing the ball.

[thatcoolguy_22]

First round matchup is against Michigan. With LeVert still out, I like our chances. However, I think a loss will put us in the 4 seed and on a collision course with a 1 seed early (assuming everything goes to plan). This could be huge game.

[Assembly Hall]

If Michigan beats us, this whole season is down the toilet.

[Razor Shines]

If Michigan beats us, this whole season is down the toilet.

lol

[Assembly Hall]

lol

LOL........let's leave no doubt!

[Revering4Blue]

Regarding, RJ, If there's any doubt, hold him out until the (The Real Thing) NCAA's start.

NCAA tourney run > Conference Tourney Run.

[thatcoolguy_22]

If Michigan beats us, this whole season is down the toilet.

I'm not saying anything like that. Just that this game could mean more down the road than what it appears to now. I think it was 04 or 05 but the Colts had 1st and goal inside the NE 5 yd line, under a minute to go, in a mid season game. They got stopped and IND took the L. Bit of a meaningless loss. However, NE won home field advantage that year in the playoffs and the AFC championship game was played in the snow. The colts took that L as well.

A loss is not the end of the world by any means, but it could be the difference in playing a Kansas in the Sweet 16 vs playing an Oregon. Tis all, tis all.



I'm 100% on board with holding out RJ as well. I'd rather he be well rested for the NCAA tournament. What takes precedence, regular season or tournament championship? Will I look like a fool for wearing an IU 2016 B1G Champs shirt if they don't win the tournament? Inquiring minds and all...

[Assembly Hall]

Well I definitely think a 3 seed is on the line today, maybe even a 2.

We need RoJo to start seeing some minutes asap.

[Hoosier Red]

Well I definitely think a 3 seed is on the line today, maybe even a 2.

We need RoJo to start seeing some minutes asap.

If nothing else I want him to knock off some rust and make real game speed cuts on his ankle.

[Hoosier Red]

As much as anything, to me the most important aspect of a deep NCAA tournament run comes down to the old real estate maxim "Location location location"

Get a regional in Chicago or Louisville, and the place will be stacked and packed full of Hoosier fans. Get stuck in the East(not ideal) you're in Villanova's regional in Nova's hometown, and/or Anaheim where you're out west but fortunately not in anyone's backyard.

[Assembly Hall]

The sooner Troy Williams declares for the draft, the happier I will be.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wow. I did not see that coming at all. Michigan just punched their ticket to the dance.

[redsfanmia]

Well I definitely think a 3 seed is on the line today, maybe even a 2.

I think you meant IU is inline for a 4-6 seed after today.

[westofyou]

Wow. I did not see that coming at all. Michigan just punched their ticket to the dance.

Nice win for a team with no inside game.

[Revering4Blue]

Nice win for a team with no inside game.

John Beilein's teams have done it that way for years. The rest of the B1G should be thankful that LeVert and Albrecht missed the majority of the season. Myself, I thought that they looked like an NCAA team before the B1G tourney; this should seal it.

[Revering4Blue]

I think you meant IU is inline for a 4-6 seed after today.

Doubtful that the regular season champ of a Power Conference gets seeded lower than four. And really, there's little difference between a one seed and a two seed this year, so it's not as if a three or four seed needs to knock off the early 90's Running Rebels to get to the final four/win it all.

[dubc47834]

Last I saw Lunardi still had IU at the #3 seed. That game is why I'm still iffy on this team. Hopefully it was just a case of their head got a little big for the britches and now they focus on the task at hand!!!

[redsfanmia]

Doubtful that the regular season champ of a Power Conference gets seeded lower than four. And really, there's little difference between a one seed and a two seed this year, so it's not as if a three or four seed needs to knock off the early 90's Running Rebels to get to the final four/win it all.

Looks like a 5 seed it is, hopefully Crean at least thinks of scheduling something other than cupcake home games preseason moving forward.

[Revering4Blue]

Looks like a 5 seed it is, hopefully Crean at least thinks of scheduling something other than cupcake home games preseason moving forward.

Not that I disagree with your point, but let's face it... IU was dropped to a 5 and UK to a 4 (No way that UK should be seeded lower than A&M, whom they placed as a #3 in #6 Texas's bracket) to create a potential must-see-tv second round matchup?

[Razor Shines]

FFS

[thatcoolguy_22]

Not that I disagree with your point, but let's face it... IU was dropped to a 5 and UK to a 4 (No way that UK should be seeded lower than A&M, whom they placed as a #3 in #6 Texas's bracket) to create a potential must-see-tv second round matchup?

Exactly. I am convinced the committe has a few coorporate television officials signing off on every decision. However, lets go Seawolves!

[Assembly Hall]

Put up or shut up day for the Hoosiers. Been a fantastic season so far, and I dont want it to end.

[dubc47834]

Put up or shut up day for the Hoosiers. Been a fantastic season so far, and I dont want it to end.

IU can't lose today. If they do I have to put UK as my Facebook picture until they lose! That will be bad.

[Assembly Hall]

IU can't lose today. If they do I have to put UK as my Facebook picture until they lose! That will be bad.

I would not have made that bet!!!!!!!! Just sayin'. But that is funny.

[dubc47834]

I would not have made that bet!!!!!!!! Just sayin'. But that is funny.

We do it every time IU/UK plays. It's an old Army buddy from Kentucky...been doin it for years. It's all in good fun...lol

If IU wins he has to do the same

[Assembly Hall]

We do it every time IU/UK plays. It's an old Army buddy from Kentucky...been doin it for years. It's all in good fun...lol

If IU wins he has to do the same

Sounds cool man, I really hope you win the bet!!!!!!!!

[dubc47834]

Sounds cool man, I really hope you win the bet!!!!!!!!

Great great game. Most evenly matched game between these 2 in many many years. And my Facebook is safe. All his fellow UKers are bustin his chops...lol

[Revering4Blue]

107 days ago, Indiana allowed Duke to score 1.52 points-per-possession, the highest number that a high-major team had allowed to another high-major team in five years. On Saturday, against the team that entered the tournament as the nation’s best offense, according to KenPom’s adjusted offensive efficiency metric, to just 0.93 PPP.

If anyone tells you they saw this coming from the Hoosiers, slap them in the face and call them a liar.

Which is what makes the coaching job that Tom Crean has put together this season so impressive.

There may be a section of the Indiana fan base that still wants Crean fired.

You can go ahead and slap them in the face, too.

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2016/03/19/no-5-indiana-advances-past-no-4-kentucky-to-reach-creans-second-sweet-16/

Virtually all of us here doubted Crean, myself included. No matter what happens from here on out, it's time to admit that we were wrong and I'm damn happy to do so.

[Javy Pornstache]

Kudos to the Hoosiers, their defense was markedly improved from what I had seen earlier in the year, the game was ugly at times but it was a "big fight atmosphere" and a shame that a blatantly obvious "made for TV" draw made the game happen so early, but such is life in the NCAA tourney. IU out-toughed us hands down. I fell in love with Thomas Bryant as a prospect and wanted us to get him last year, and he would have been all the difference in the world, as UK was done in by what we had been all year - our disappearing bigs. Bryant ate 'em alive. Good luck versus the dirty Heels.

[Hoosier Red]

Kudos to the Hoosiers, their defense was markedly improved from what I had seen earlier in the year, the game was ugly at times but it was a "big fight atmosphere" and a shame that a blatantly obvious "made for TV" draw made the game happen so early, but such is life in the NCAA tourney. IU out-toughed us hands down. I fell in love with Thomas Bryant as a prospect and wanted us to get him last year, and he would have been all the difference in the world, as UK was done in by what we had been all year - our disappearing bigs. Bryant ate 'em alive. Good luck versus the dirty Heels.

Well shoot. If you're going to be classy about this, it just sucks almost all the fun out of it.

[WVRed]

Well shoot. If you're going to be classy about this, it just sucks almost all the fun out of it.

I wasn't even upset. Or surprised. The game was a microcosm of Kentucky's season. It was pretty frustrating when Kentucky couldn't take advantage of all the injuries in the second half. Outside of Ulis, the rest of the team gave up.

Congrats on the win. Both teams were evenly matched and IU was the better team last night.

[dubc47834]

I wasn't even upset. Or surprised. The game was a microcosm of Kentucky's season. It was pretty frustrating when Kentucky couldn't take advantage of all the injuries in the second half. Outside of Ulis, the rest of the team gave up.

Congrats on the win. Both teams were evenly matched and IU was the better team last night.

I've been impressed with a lot of UK fans after this game. Many have been classy/complimentary of IU afterward, really wasn't expecting it. It's been really cool!

[WVRed]

I've been impressed with a lot of UK fans after this game. Many have been classy/complimentary of IU afterward, really wasn't expecting it. It's been really cool!

Expectations were low for most reasonable fans this season. Had this upset happened last year, I don't think anyone would have been as civil.

I still want to go back to neutral site though if the rivalry ever resumes. It would benefit both teams if the series was played in either Lucas Oil or even the Yum! Center to get both teams ready for the tournament and give more fans an opportunity to see it.

PS: Yum Center will never be available like Freedom Hall was. Best case scenario could be a Border War similar to the Crossroads Classic. Kentucky plays Indiana and Louisville plays Purdue then alternate.

[Javy Pornstache]

Well shoot. If you're going to be classy about this, it just sucks almost all the fun out of it.

lol like WVRed said, we weren't as civil last year with the Wisconsin loss because it was hard to swallow that one, a couple horrifically awful calls that went against us that were plain to see. we were vintage terrible UK fans for that one :D nothing to be upset with here, we lost fair and square. it was obvious which team wanted it more Saturday.

[Assembly Hall]

PS: Yum Center will never be available like Freedom Hall was. Best case scenario could be a Border War similar to the Crossroads Classic. Kentucky plays Indiana and Louisville plays Purdue then alternate.

I love the idea.........but I dont want Purdue in it. I would rather have Notre Dame or Butler.

[WVRed]

I love the idea.........but I dont want Purdue in it. I would rather have Notre Dame or Butler.

Would have to be Butler then, since Louisville and Notre Dame are both in the ACC.

[Assembly Hall]

Would have to be Butler then, since Louisville and Notre Dame are both in the ACC.

Excellent point. That had never occurred to me.......but with these unbalanced conference schedules anymore....Does it really matter? I remember IU playing Purdue in a non-conference game years back. The conference schedule only had them playing once in the B1G.

[dubc47834]

Expectations were low for most reasonable fans this season. Had this upset happened last year, I don't think anyone would have been as civil.

I still want to go back to neutral site though if the rivalry ever resumes. It would benefit both teams if the series was played in either Lucas Oil or even the Yum! Center to get both teams ready for the tournament and give more fans an opportunity to see it.

PS: Yum Center will never be available like Freedom Hall was. Best case scenario could be a Border War similar to the Crossroads Classic. Kentucky plays Indiana and Louisville plays Purdue then alternate.

I'm pretty sure that Crean has said he would play in Indy, he just won't budge playing on campus. I don't see what the big deal is about playing on campus. Just my opinion, but Cal knows coming into Bloomington will be a loss 80% of the time. They have more of a chance if it's on a "neutral" court, and let's face it. We all know UK fans travel real well, so There would be a ton of UK fans in Indy. IU has agreed to 2 neutral court games, a game in Lexington, then finally a game in Bloomington. I think that's pretty fair considering Cal has said he would play in Indy every year! Either way, these to programs need to find a way to get the rivalry going again!!!

[WVRed]

I'm pretty sure that Crean has said he would play in Indy, he just won't budge playing on campus. I don't see what the big deal is about playing on campus. Just my opinion, but Cal knows coming into Bloomington will be a loss 80% of the time. They have more of a chance if it's on a "neutral" court, and let's face it. We all know UK fans travel real well, so There would be a ton of UK fans in Indy. IU has agreed to 2 neutral court games, a game in Lexington, then finally a game in Bloomington. I think that's pretty fair considering Cal has said he would play in Indy every year! Either way, these to programs need to find a way to get the rivalry going again!!!

The issue had more to do with player safety following Watfords shot and the way uk fans were treated during the game. The first one moreso, but that was something that rarely happens with fans storming the court after a buzzer beater. If the game was in hand I could understand it, but I don't know what could have been done.

[Javy Pornstache]

UK has road trips to Chapel Hill and Louisville regularly, and have been in negotiations to start regular ones again with Kansas, and perhaps Arizona, I don't think they are afraid of playing in Bloomington, with all due respect, it's more about personal issues and specifically what WVRed alluded to.

[Razor Shines]

The issue had more to do with player safety following Watfords shot and the way uk fans were treated during the game. The first one moreso, but that was something that rarely happens with fans storming the court after a buzzer beater. If the game was in hand I could understand it, but I don't know what could have been done.

I've said long before that shot rushing the court should not be allowed, if they want to cite player safety, I don't have much problem with that. The thing about the way the fans were treated is something I always have a problem with even if it's fans of my team being mistreated and that's all team's have about the same % of D hole fans. If those D holes get hi-lighted then it makes it seem like a bigger percentage.

[dubc47834]

The issue had more to do with player safety following Watfords shot and the way uk fans were treated during the game. The first one moreso, but that was something that rarely happens with fans storming the court after a buzzer beater. If the game was in hand I could understand it, but I don't know what could have been done.

That's interesting...haven't heard that!

Now this is just my opinion but, I find that kinda hard to believe. Plus the likelihood of that happening again are slim to none. That happened because of where IU was at in its history and where they were suppose to be. Nobody in Hoosier Nation thought that team was gonna be worth a crap, it was the next years team that was suppose to bring IU back. Hopefully IU basketball never gets back to that, hence no more court stormings.

I guess it's possible, I'm just not buying it!

[WVRed]

UK has road trips to Chapel Hill and Louisville regularly, and have been in negotiations to start regular ones again with Kansas, and perhaps Arizona, I don't think they are afraid of playing in Bloomington, with all due respect, it's more about personal issues and specifically what WVRed alluded to.

The Chapel Hill series ended and went to the CBS Sports Classic. They did a home and home with UCLA who will be at Rupp this year and a home/alternate site with Arizona State in the Bahamas.

Hadn't heard Arizona but I know KU is mentioned for the marquee matchup again in the sec big 12 challenge.


That's interesting...haven't heard that!

Now this is just my opinion but, I find that kinda hard to believe. Plus the likelihood of that happening again are slim to none. That happened because of where IU was at in its history and where they were suppose to be. Nobody in Hoosier Nation thought that team was gonna be worth a crap, it was the next years team that was suppose to bring IU back. Hopefully IU basketball never gets back to that, hence no more court stormings.

I guess it's possible, I'm just not buying it!

It wasn't the court storming itself that was the issue (although I'd argue that a rich blue blood program like IU should never have a reason to storm the court) but the safety of the players. I read at the time that Darius Miller was trampled by IU fans after the shot. I know Darius isn't the type of person to do this, but what happens in the instance if a player gets into it with a fan, aka Malice at the Palace.

But like you said, the odds of the same situation happening again is the same as getting struck by lightning.

[Eric from NC]

I'm pretty sure that Crean has said he would play in Indy, he just won't budge playing on campus. I don't see what the big deal is about playing on campus. Just my opinion, but Cal knows coming into Bloomington will be a loss 80% of the time. They have more of a chance if it's on a "neutral" court, and let's face it. We all know UK fans travel real well, so There would be a ton of UK fans in Indy. IU has agreed to 2 neutral court games, a game in Lexington, then finally a game in Bloomington. I think that's pretty fair considering Cal has said he would play in Indy every year! Either way, these to programs need to find a way to get the rivalry going again!!!

I could kind of understand the AD of a blue blood program not playing at IU. A neutral game, especially at Lucas, would give a team like UK an attractive add on to their ticket package.

I know I'm off topic, but I wonder of in football if Michigan and Notre Dame might resolve their spat the same way (agree to split tickets at neutral site light Lucas or Ford Field) and agree to do it again in 2 to 4 years if works well.

[Assembly Hall]

I could kind of understand the AD of a blue blood program not playing at IU. A neutral game, especially at Lucas, would give a team like UK an attractive add on to their ticket package.

I know I'm off topic, but I wonder of in football if Michigan and Notre Dame might resolve their spat the same way (agree to split tickets at neutral site light Lucas or Ford Field) and agree to do it again in 2 to 4 years if works well.

I cant say enough.......I could care less where they play I just want them to play every year in the regular season.

As far as Michigan/Notre Dame......that really had more to do with the Irish's tie in to the ACC. But I love the analogy.........those two should be playing every year too.

[WVRed]

To clarify something, I'm pretty sure the reason isn't because Cal is afraid of losing at Assembly Hall. The Cats got spanked in Westwood earlier this year and Allen Fieldhouse, which is next to impossible to win in. Previous series at the Dean Dome as well.

[dubc47834]

The Chapel Hill series ended and went to the CBS Sports Classic. They did a home and home with UCLA who will be at Rupp this year and a home/alternate site with Arizona State in the Bahamas.

Hadn't heard Arizona but I know KU is mentioned for the marquee matchup again in the sec big 12 challenge.



It wasn't the court storming itself that was the issue (although I'd argue that a rich blue blood program like IU should never have a reason to storm the court) but the safety of the players. I read at the time that Darius Miller was trampled by IU fans after the shot. I know Darius isn't the type of person to do this, but what happens in the instance if a player gets into it with a fan, aka Malice at the Palace.

But like you said, the odds of the same situation happening again is the same as getting struck by lightning.

I completely agree. I don't have an issue with the storming that after that game. But programs like IU, UK, KU, Duke, & UNC should never be in a situation where winning a game results in storming the court.

[Assembly Hall]

Well a few days ago the report was that RoJo was "iffy" for the UNC game. Now I am hearing that he is not wearing a "walking boot". Who knows?

[dubc47834]

Well a few days ago the report was that RoJo was "iffy" for the UNC game. Now I am hearing that he is not wearing a "walking boot". Who knows?

Would be huge for IU if he could give it a go!

[Hillsdale87]

I completely agree. I don't have an issue with the storming that after that game. But programs like IU, UK, KU, Duke, & UNC should never be in a situation where winning a game results in storming the court.

Normally I'd agree, but IU had been one of the worst programs in the country the previous 3 years due to the Sampson destruction.

[dubc47834]

Normally I'd agree, but IU had been one of the worst programs in the country the previous 3 years due to the Sampson destruction.

I agree...that's what I was saying. Normally IU would never be in that situation, but thanks to Sampson, we were in that boat. So in that light, I have no issues with the storming that night. I was at the Ohio State game right after that on New Years Eve when IU beat OSU. There was talks of storming the court then also, but the fans didn't do it. If I remember right the students were out on break, so that probly stopped another storming. Although if it would have happened, I would have been right there on the court with them!

[Assembly Hall]

Would be huge for IU if he could give it a go!

You are darn right. I thought he would be rusty for the UK game, but he looked pretty dang good.

[Javy Pornstache]

You are darn right. I thought he would be rusty for the UK game, but he looked pretty dang good.

You're not kidding, he helped set the tempo, and right the ship for IU a couple times IIRC, when UK was making a run. Nice player and gamer, certainly hoping for the best, I will be rooting you guys on tomorrow night.

[Assembly Hall]

You're not kidding, he helped set the tempo, and right the ship for IU a couple times IIRC, when UK was making a run. Nice player and gamer, certainly hoping for the best, I will be rooting you guys on tomorrow night.

And I thank you sir.

[WVRed]

*crickets*

[BillDoran]

*crickets*

IU could have lost a round earlier. ;)

[Razor Shines]

*crickets*

Why don't you send me a post you'd like to see in this thread and I'll post it and you can leave satisfied.

[Razor Shines]

I don't really see any shame in that loss. Even with a completely healthy Robert Johnson (as opposed to no RoJo at all) I still think UNC was the better team and probably wins. I do think the seeding was kinda crappy and don't think IU deserved to play UK and UNC as early as they did, but oh well.

[WVRed]

Why don't you send me a post you'd like to see in this thread and I'll post it and you can leave satisfied.

Wasn't trying to start anything. No discussion at all either here or the other thread regarding any games.

Just seems like these threads aren't as active as years past. That's all I was saying. Sorry if you took it differently.

[redsfanmia]

I'm not the biggest fan of "coach" Crean but I think he did a good job this year. With that said I wonder if this is the ceiling for Indiana while being lead by him? Sweet 16 I mean, he had a great regular season but unless he has superior talent can he win in the tournament?

[BillDoran]

I'm not the biggest fan of "coach" Crean but I think he did a good job this year. With that said I wonder if this is the ceiling for Indiana while being lead by him? Sweet 16 I mean, he had a great regular season but unless he has superior talent can he win in the tournament?

Not sure that loss reflects much on Crean. UNC was the more talented squad. Then the Tar Heels went ahead and shot the lights out for the first 30 minutes.

Certainly some of the blame falls on Crean for allowing 101 points, but that's a pretty good UNC team.

[Revering4Blue]

I'm not the biggest fan of "coach" Crean but I think he did a good job this year. With that said I wonder if this is the ceiling for Indiana while being lead by him? Sweet 16 I mean, he had a great regular season but unless he has superior talent can he win in the tournament?


Not sure that loss reflects much on Crean. UNC was the more talented squad. Then the Tar Heels went ahead and shot the lights out for the first 30 minutes.

Certainly some of the blame falls on Crean for allowing 101 points, but that's a pretty good UNC team.


This was Crean's best coaching job at IU, possibly the best of his career. And yes, UNC is the better team and shot - with several friendly bounces - lights out from beyond the arc, and while the Tar Heel's length was a factor in IU's overall game shooting percentage, the Hoosiers missed at least 10 open threes last night. Coaching from either side had little effect on the outcome. The Tar Heels were due to finally beat IU in a meaningful game and it only took them 32 years to do so.;)

As for redsfanmia's question about the Sweet 16 as the ceiling for a Crean-coached IU team, that question will continue until IU advances further and the program cannot afford another '14 and '15-like regression after a Sweet 16 berth. While no blueblood - and contrary to popular belief, IU is very much a blueblood - reaches the Sweet 16 or higher every season, the expectations of the IU program should remain,IMO, accordingly high. Time will tell if Crean truly is the basketball answer to John Cooper and IU will be required to seek out their basketball answer to Urban Meyer.

[Hillsdale87]

I'm not the biggest fan of "coach" Crean but I think he did a good job this year. With that said I wonder if this is the ceiling for Indiana while being lead by him? Sweet 16 I mean, he had a great regular season but unless he has superior talent can he win in the tournament?

Crean's not a great coach, but his ceiling is not sweet 16. He took a less talented Marquette team to the final 4. He had a good game plan against UNC, but there's nothing you can do when you're already the less talented team before losing a starting guard and the 305th ranked 3 point shooting makes everything.

[redsfanmia]

Crean's not a great coach, but his ceiling is not sweet 16. He took a less talented Marquette team to the final 4. He had a good game plan against UNC, but there's nothing you can do when you're already the less talented team before losing a starting guard and the 305th ranked 3 point shooting makes everything.

The team Crean took to the FF has Dwayne Wade on it. Elite players can cover talent and coaching issues, Steve Fischer took how many teams to the final four?

[Assembly Hall]

Sorry fellas, I had a busy holiday week-end didn't get any puter time.

IU just ran into a buzz saw and their 3-point shooting was sub par.

It will be interesting to see how next year's squad fares. Depending on who decares, right now IU would be the favorite for the B1G title.

[Assembly Hall]

Sad news out of Bloomington....

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/04/04/indiana-hoosiers-archie-dees-passes-away/82605802/

RIP Archie.

[Revering4Blue]

Sad news out of Bloomington....

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/04/04/indiana-hoosiers-archie-dees-passes-away/82605802/

RIP Archie.

Sad news indeed, passing away within three years of the passing of the center that Archie passed the figurative torch to....Hall of Famer Walt Bellamy.

[Assembly Hall]

I did see where RoJo had successful ankle surgery.

[Hoosier Red]

Bryant to return to IU!

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15153145/thomas-bryant-return-indiana-hoosiers-sophomore-season

[thatcoolguy_22]

Troy Williams Declares! (http://bit.ly/1YpXbVf)

[Hillsdale87]

Troy Williams Declares! (http://bit.ly/1YpXbVf)

No agent though. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back if he doesn't blow people away at the Combine

[BillDoran]

No agent though. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back if he doesn't blow people away at the Combine

That seems sensible to me. As a fan, of course, I hope he returns. But if I'm an agent, I think I give him the same advice. He'll see even more of the ball this coming year, and this last go-round could be the year he puts it all together. It's not hard to imagine him making that leap to B1G POY and a lottery pick. Giving it one more go at IU seems like a better bet than rolling the dice on the NBA, where he's a second-round pick, at best, and likely profiles as a Will Barton-type if things go his way.

[Assembly Hall]

You guys do realize that IU offered a Juco kid a scholly, right?

[thatcoolguy_22]

No agent though. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back if he doesn't blow people away at the Combine

Don't ruin this for me. Very good player, but I'm not a fan.

[Assembly Hall]

Hmmmmmmm........

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/recruiting-central/2016/04/08/iu-juco-target-freddie-mcswain-planning-3-more-visits/82793956/

[Hillsdale87]

You guys do realize that IU offered a Juco kid a scholly, right?

Yes, that's definitely insurance in case Troy leaves. If Troy decides to come back, I wouldn't be surprised if Priller doesn't get his scholarship renewed

[Assembly Hall]

Don't ruin this for me. Very good player, but I'm not a fan.

You sound like most of my buddies!!!!!!!!!!

[Assembly Hall]

Yes, that's definitely insurance in case Troy leaves. If Troy decides to come back, I wouldn't be surprised if Priller doesn't get his scholarship renewed

I dont know if it is insurance for Troy or not. I very well could be Morgan. But I completely agree on the Priller comment. Geez, two walk-ons saw more time than him this year and a few times it was in crucial situations.

[Hoosier Red]

That seems sensible to me. As a fan, of course, I hope he returns. But if I'm an agent, I think I give him the same advice. He'll see even more of the ball this coming year, and this last go-round could be the year he puts it all together. It's not hard to imagine him making that leap to B1G POY and a lottery pick. Giving it one more go at IU seems like a better bet than rolling the dice on the NBA, where he's a second-round pick, at best, and likely profiles as a Will Barton-type if things go his way.

I'm not sure he will see the ball more his senior year. I'd expect OG(13.4 MPG) and Morgan(9.3MPG) to both play increased roles, add in James Blackmon and I'd expect Bryant to have much more central role to the offense than he even did this past year. Of course Yogi leaves ginormous hole, but I see his minutes being handled by guys like Newkirk and RoJo who are much more adept ball handlers than Troy.
I could see a few scenarios where his minutes and his place in the offense dramatically goes down rather than up.

In fact, while i'd be surprised if he did this, I'm not 100% sure he wouldn't be better off using the graduate transfer rule and playing as the centerpiece to a somewhat lesser team. THink UC wouldn't kill to have someone who can score as prolifically as he can?

Instead, I think the likely outcome is he comes back to IU, improves as a player but ironically becomes less of an NBA prospect than he is this year.

[Assembly Hall]

I'm not sure he will see the ball more his senior year. I'd expect OG(13.4 MPG) and Morgan(9.3MPG) to both play increased roles, add in James Blackmon and I'd expect Bryant to have much more central role to the offense than he even did this past year. Of course Yogi leaves ginormous hole, but I see his minutes being handled by guys like Newkirk and RoJo who are much more adept ball handlers than Troy.
I could see a few scenarios where his minutes and his place in the offense dramatically goes down rather than up.

In fact, while i'd be surprised if he did this, I'm not 100% sure he wouldn't be better off using the graduate transfer rule and playing as the centerpiece to a somewhat lesser team. THink UC wouldn't kill to have someone who can score as prolifically as he can?

Instead, I think the likely outcome is he comes back to IU, improves as a player but ironically becomes less of an NBA prospect than he is this year.

That pretty much sums up everything that I am thinking.

[dubc47834]

Spike Albrect(?) reportedly considering IU

[Assembly Hall]

Spike Albrect(?) reportedly considering IU

Yeah, that has been going around the rumor mill for awhile now. I guess he liked what Max B had to say about the IU program. But once again we have scholly issues concerning this. Somebody has to go.

[Revering4Blue]

Yeah, that has been going around the rumor mill for awhile now. I guess he liked what Max B had to say about the IU program. But once again we have scholly issues concerning this. Somebody has to go.

My guess:

Adios, Shaggy Priller!

Albrecht would be a good get. Then, one of the freshman guards - like the kid from Crown Point - could be redshirted.

[Assembly Hall]

My guess:

Adios, Shaggy Priller!

Albrecht would be a good get. Then, one of the freshman guards - like the kid from Crown Point - could be redshirted.

LOL.....lots of speculation concerning "Thriller Priller" these days!

BTW.........saw where Spike is also looking at Purdue.

Devin Davis ends up at Houston, and Emmitt Holt lands at Providence.

[Revering4Blue]

If it comes down to Albrecht - who still may not be healthy enough to contribute - or Freddie McSwain, it's a no-brainer. The scholarship issue will be a moot point if Troy remains in the draft.

[Assembly Hall]

If it comes down to Albrecht - who still may not be healthy enough to contribute - or Freddie McSwain, it's a no-brainer. The scholarship issue will be a moot point if Troy remains in the draft.

True that.....but I just cant see Spike putting on the candy stripes. I just dont see him getting much PT, so why would he want to go to Bloomington? Purdue would be a better fit. But I did see where 5 other schools are in the mix as well.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2016/04/19/spike-albrecht-transfer-michigan-basketball/83221908/

[Revering4Blue]

LOL.....lots of speculation concerning "Thriller Priller" these days!

BTW.........saw where Spike is also looking at Purdue.

Devin Davis ends up at Houston, and Emmitt Holt lands at Providence.

Knuckleheads that they were at IU, Davis and Holt are now in good positions.

Davis may well be starting PF for a Cougars team building off an NIT appearance. Also, it is down to Houston or Texas for one of the top unsigned Centers whose name escapes me. If Ben Bentil returns to Providence, Holt, who is already a much better rim-protector than anyone in the Friars' rotation last year.

Also, Hanner will now be eligible at ETSU to team with Peter Jurkin, who is finally healthy and looked pretty good when I saw ETSU in the new Postseason Vegas 16 tournament.

[Revering4Blue]

True that.....but I just cant see Spike putting on the candy stripes. I just dont see him getting much PT, so why would he want to go to Bloomington? Purdue would be a better fit. But I did see where 5 other schools are in the mix as well.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2016/04/19/spike-albrecht-transfer-michigan-basketball/83221908/

I can't either.

McSwain is a safer bet, especially given the versatility of Anunoby and Williams, if he returns, to swing to big guard at times.

[Assembly Hall]

I can't either.

McSwain is a safer bet, especially given the versatility of Anunoby and Williams, if he returns, to swing to big guard at times.

Dont forget about the 4 guards coming in next year!!!!!!

[Revering4Blue]

Dont forget about the 4 guards coming in next year!!!!!!

I didn't. I was just factoring the division of minutes if McSwain is a Hoosier. Gelon or Green are likely redshirt candidates, apparently.

[Assembly Hall]

I didn't. I was just factoring the division of minutes if McSwain is a Hoosier. Gelon or Green are likely redshirt candidates, apparently.

And possibly Blackmon to be honest.

[Assembly Hall]

McSwain commits to IU and now the plot thickens.

http://www.idsnews.com/article/2016/04/freddie-mcswain-commits-to-iu-for-last-two-years-of-eligibility

[Hoosier Red]

Knuckleheads that they were at IU, Davis and Holt are now in good positions.

Davis may well be starting PF for a Cougars team building off an NIT appearance. Also, it is down to Houston or Texas for one of the top unsigned Centers whose name escapes me. If Ben Bentil returns to Providence, Holt, who is already a much better rim-protector than anyone in the Friars' rotation last year.

Also, Hanner will now be eligible at ETSU to team with Peter Jurkin, who is finally healthy and looked pretty good when I saw ETSU in the new Postseason Vegas 16 tournament.

I heard an over reliance on Peter Jurkin can blind a team to better lineups :)

[dubc47834]

I saw on insidethehall that Blackmon was entering the draft, but not hiring an agent!

[Hoosier Red]

I saw on insidethehall that Blackmon was entering the draft, but not hiring an agent!

Yeah, no big deal from all I've read. I find the timing of this curious, but he's apparently told the media that he expects to be back in Bloomington this summer. The draft entry is just to give him a chance to grip and grin with some NBA execs and find out their thoughts on him.

One extra wrinkle to this is that apparently if you're not invited to the "combine" tournament, then teams aren't even allowed to work you out. So assuming he's not one of the 65 guys invited to Portsmouth, then he'll basically be limited to just talking with the teams and not even able to show off what shape he's in post injury.

[Assembly Hall]

A write up from the local paper.....

http://www.news-sentinel.com/sports/iu/Blackmon-declaring-for-NBA-draft-is-a-smart-move

[Assembly Hall]

I just went ahead and put this here, pretty good stuff........

http://www.insidethehall.com/2016/05/02/a-ranking-of-the-big-ten-programs-over-the-past-five-years/

[Assembly Hall]

https://indiana.n.rivals.com/news/tom-crean-on-troy-williams-i-believe-troy-s-going-to-be-in-that-draft-

[Revering4Blue]

Not at all surprised.

James Blackmon Jr. to return to Indiana, Troy Williams to remain in draft.

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2016/05/25/james-blackmon-jr-to-return-to-indiana/

[Assembly Hall]

http://www.news-sentinel.com/sports/iu/Moving-on----Troy-Williams-to-stay-in-NBA-draft

[Razor Shines]

Probably best move for both guys but obviously I would have liked to have Troy back.


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[Assembly Hall]

Incoming freshman Green to wear #11. Hope he is up to the task.

[redsfanmia]

Incoming freshman Green to wear #11. Hope he is up to the task.

Those Dan Dakitch shoes are hard to fill

[Razor Shines]

Dane Fife's not an insurmountable standard to live up to.


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[Assembly Hall]

Those Dan Dakitch shoes are hard to fill

Yes they are........just ask Dakich!!!!!!!!!

[redsfanmia]

Yes they are........just ask Dakich!!!!!!!!!

Pretty sure that's all bravado but he did single handily shut down Jordan.

[Assembly Hall]

Pretty sure that's all bravado but he did single handily shut down Jordan.

LOL.......I remember watching that game in disbelief. Damn, the 'Heels were stacked. An old read on the topic.........

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2009-03-02-lopresti_N.htm

[redsfanmia]

LOL.......I remember watching that game in disbelief. Damn, the 'Heels were stacked. An old read on the topic.........

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2009-03-02-lopresti_N.htm
I remember watching that game as well, then they lost to the Ralph Sampsonless Virginia sqaud��

[Assembly Hall]

Just saw this.....

http://www.insidethehall.com/2016/06/29/q-zach-mcroberts-talks-indiana-walk-opportunity/

[Revering4Blue]

Not to steal your thunder, AH, but here's another Zach McRoberts article. http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2016/6/29/12058260/vermont-transfer-carmel-native-zach-mcroberts-will-join-indiana

I found this interesting.


McRoberts could easily slide in and be a rotation player for Indiana -- both this year and in coming seasons. He's a 6'7" wing player that can plug in in a role similar to Collin Hartman. His production numbers at Vermont were probably much lower than what they deserved to be at the end of his freshman season at the school. A knee injury kept him out of game action until December, so consider the time it generally takes for a non-phenom freshman to ramp up to the speed of collegiate play and plug into the lineup as a scorer. By the end of the 2015 season, McRoberts averaged almost 10 points a game in the CBI for the Catamounts -- including a career-high 13 in the middle of the team's run to the tournament semi-finals.

Oh, and he's got some of his brother's hops, too.

Speaking of his brother, another rather painful reminder of the in-state talent that Mike Davis failed to reel in.

[Assembly Hall]

Not to steal your thunder, AH, but here's another Zach McRoberts article. http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2016/6/29/12058260/vermont-transfer-carmel-native-zach-mcroberts-will-join-indiana

I found this interesting.



Speaking of his brother, another rather painful reminder of the in-state talent that Mike Davis failed to reel in.

Good read Rev.

Don't know what to say about the Davis comment....the memories are just too painful.

[BillDoran]

Crean does a really nice job with walk-ons. He gives them an honest chance at playing time, and as a result we've landed some pretty helpful players over his tenure. I think th his deep rotations and the State of Indiana's basketball tradition play a part, but McRoberts seems like the next walk-on in line to contribute. In a way, Crean has developed a bit of that walk-on culture that Nebraska football used to have in the day.

[Assembly Hall]

Crean does a really nice job with walk-ons. He gives them an honest chance at playing time, and as a result we've landed some pretty helpful players over his tenure. I think th his deep rotations and the State of Indiana's basketball tradition play a part, but McRoberts seems like the next walk-on in line to contribute. In a way, Crean has developed a bit of that walk-on culture that Nebraska football used to have in the day.

Yes he does. Niego saw minutes last season.........far more than Priller will ever see in his career.

[Revering4Blue]

Yes he does. Niego saw minutes last season.........far more than Priller will ever see in his career.

At this point, it's not a stretch to suggest that "we" would have been far better off with Priller, rather than April, transferring after '15.

[BillDoran]

At this point, it's not a stretch to suggest that "we" would have been far better off with Priller, rather than April, transferring after '15.

That pair of signings is perhaps the most vexing turns of events I can remember as a basketball fan. From the get-go, you could tell they would be non-factors. They were so unlike anything Crean has recruited before or since. I would love to know what was going on behind the scenes at that time.

[Revering4Blue]

That pair of signings is perhaps the most vexing turns of events I can remember as a basketball fan. From the get-go, you could tell they would be non-factors. They were so unlike anything Crean has recruited before or since. I would love to know what was going on behind the scenes at that time.
The byproduct of placing all eggs in the Goodluck Okonoboh basket. Not much of a contingency plan following Fischer's departure. Thankfully, things have gotten infinitely better since then.

[Assembly Hall]

The byproduct of placing all eggs in the Goodluck Okonoboh basket. Not much of a contingency plan following Fischer's departure. Thankfully, things have gotten infinitely better since then.

You beat me to the draw on that one. On a couple of side notes looks like Goodluck turned turned out to be another Hanner and would to have had Luke.

[Assembly Hall]

This is a good read. Take note of the UK reference.

http://www.heraldbulletin.com/sports/q-a-with-iu-coach-tom-crean-part/article_fa36bba8-42e5-11e6-889a-2bdebc7621fc.html

[Assembly Hall]

http://www.btpowerhouse.com/2016/7/14/12170424/indiana-hoosiers-basketball-adds-walk-on-johnny-jager-2016-2017

[Assembly Hall]

Just saw that Collin Hartman suffered a knee injury.

[Hoosier Red]

Big big week for IU Sports.
Football beats THE Michigan State University to win the Old Brass Spittoon.
Men's Basketball picks up a couple of commitments.
Men's soccer comes back from 2 goals down to beat #7 Butler 3-2 in OT.
Women's basketball picks up a HUGE 5 star recruit.

[Boston Red]

Men's Basketball picks up a couple of commitments.

I had to go look, because I was afraid you were talking about Wilkes. Us Xavier fans still have our hopes!

[Hoosier Red]

I had to go look, because I was afraid you were talking about Wilkes. Us Xavier fans still have our hopes!

Ha, he'd have gotten his own line :) That's the biggest of big ones.
The two recruits are not huge names on their own. Clifton Brown in particular isn't a huge recruit but Crean has basically earned the benefit of the doubt from me on these types of recruits.

[Assembly Hall]

I had to go look, because I was afraid you were talking about Wilkes. Us Xavier fans still have our hopes!

From what I understand, Xavier aint on Wilkes' list.

But anyway for the IU fans a lengthy read.....

http://www.insidethehall.com/2016/10/14/indiana-dedicates-simon-skjodt-assembly-hall/

[dubc47834]

Man I'm stoked. Just bought floor/bleacher seats for the Nov 16th game. It's a scrub team, but it's been a dream to sit that close to a game in The Hall!!!

[Assembly Hall]

http://www.insidethehall.com/2016/11/02/five-takeaways-indianas-win-hope-college/

[BillDoran]

A little worried about the coming season with CTC preaching patience and comparing this roster to the 2013-14 version when they lost Zeller, Oladipo, Watford and Hulls. Seems like the team is brimming with talent, but questions about compatibility and defense certainly exist. Yogi got a lot of love, but I think he may have been more valuable than recognized. I think we may see that this season.

[Hoosier Red]

A little worried about the coming season with CTC preaching patience and comparing this roster to the 2013-14 version when they lost Zeller, Oladipo, Watford and Hulls. Seems like the team is brimming with talent, but questions about compatibility and defense certainly exist. Yogi got a lot of love, but I think he may have been more valuable than recognized. I think we may see that this season.

We'll see. IMO, defense unlikely to be an issue at all. Starting lineup will have 3 guys who can be pretty much lockdown defenders in OG, RoJo, and Bryant. Add in guys like Morgan and Deron Davis and I think IU will be very hard to score on in the 1/2 court. Where I'm a bit worried is the old bugaboo too many turnovers.

[Revering4Blue]

The '14 comparison doesn't make sense to me. This team should be deeper than '14 or even '13. Agree with you, HR, about the defense.

As we all recall -- or would just as soon forget -- the '14 Hoosiers were woeful from the perimeter. I doubt that will be an issue with this team, though, if Hartman doesn't return, this could be another "what could have been" year.

[dubc47834]

We'll see. IMO, defense unlikely to be an issue at all. Starting lineup will have 3 guys who can be pretty much lockdown defenders in OG, RoJo, and Bryant. Add in guys like Morgan and Deron Davis and I think IU will be very hard to score on in the 1/2 court. Where I'm a bit worried is the old bugaboo too many turnovers.

It's not just individual defense, it's the team defense. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I could see a blowout against Kansas.

[Assembly Hall]

Where I'm a bit worried is the old bugaboo too many turnovers.

They should be cut in half since Troy is in the Association.

[Hoosier Red]

They should be cut in half since Troy is in the Association.

Yeah but add JBJ back into the mix. It will be interesting to see the lineups Crean runs out there. With guys like Johnson, Blackmon, and Curtis Jones, you have two capable ball handlers, but no one who I'd have as much confidence in handling the ball full time. A guy like Newkirk COULD be that guy, but if he can't shoot, he'll stick out like a sore thumb in the offense.

[Assembly Hall]

Yeah but add JBJ back into the mix. It will be interesting to see the lineups Crean runs out there. With guys like Johnson, Blackmon, and Curtis Jones, you have two capable ball handlers, but no one who I'd have as much confidence in handling the ball full time. A guy like Newkirk COULD be that guy, but if he can't shoot, he'll stick out like a sore thumb in the offense.

What about this guy.....

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/11/01/onunoby-green-shine-iu-preseason-debut/93037416/

[bucksfan2]

I am just getting geared up to watch Dwight K Schrute run up and down the sidelines like a madman. Maybe his brother in law will head to a game with a baseball glove in tow.

[Hoosier Red]

What about this guy.....

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/11/01/onunoby-green-shine-iu-preseason-debut/93037416/

We'll see. He definitely has the confidence. In an 18 year old, that can be a dangerous thing. (Positively and negatively) :)

[Assembly Hall]

The Hoosiers open up as 5.5 point 'dogs to the Jayhawks.

[thatcoolguy_22]

The Hoosiers open up as 5.5 point 'dogs to the Jayhawks.

And they closed with a 4 point lead! What a game! Both teams looked in midseason form as well. Bryant is on another level and good JBJ is good.

[Assembly Hall]

And they closed with a 4 point lead! What a game! Both teams looked in midseason form as well. Bryant is on another level and good JBJ is good.

The refs sucked!!!!!!!!! Both ways.

[Revering4Blue]

With a non-conference schedule that is heavy on elite teams, but also has plenty of bottom feeders, it’s important for Indiana to win some of the marquee contests.

The Hoosiers checked off one of those opportunities against a team that is likely to be ranked in the top 15 all season and is once again the favorite to win its league. This is a win that will be prominent on Indiana’s NCAA tournament resume.

More important, however, is the fact that Indiana was able to pull out a win in a game where it made many mistakes and showed its youth over and over. This team is young, talented and its potential to improve is extremely high.

Indiana’s departed point guard, Yogi Ferrell, may have summed it up best postgame on Twitter.



This team now has way more talent than we did last year, watch out #iubb

— Kevin Yogi Ferrell (@YogiFerrell11) November 12, 2016

http://www.insidethehall.com/2016/11/12/five-takeaways-from-indianas-win-over-kansas/

[Javy Pornstache]

The refs sucked!!!!!!!!! Both ways.

It was more against you guys though, imo. Atrocious officiating, a game with two top-10 caliber teams, should expect better refs than that. Was a great opening night game, defense left some to be desired, but there's no doubt that IU will have one of the best offenses in the nation again this year, Bryant and OG is probably the best offensive frontcourt in the nation for my money.

[Hoosier Red]

http://www.insidethehall.com/2016/11/12/five-takeaways-from-indianas-win-over-kansas/


I definitely agree with the ATH article. My frustration with Crean's non-conference scheduling never is about how many top tier teams IU plays. Usually they play enough due to name factor for Thanksgiving and/or Christmas tournaments to invite them.
The problem comes from the bottom of the schedule. They have 4 games against teams currently in KenPom's top 20, but the only other game against a team currently in the TOP 250 is against Ft.Wayne(neh IPFW) which is ranked 119. After that, they have 8 games against teams currently ranked 260 or lower, including five against teams ranked below 300.

One thing I did hear from a sympathetic podcast was that when it comes to the bottom feeder teams(who everyone schedules) he isn't concerned with any team's ranking necessarily, but rather is looking for a certain style of play they need to see in order to prepare for tougher teams on the schedule. So Delaware St.(340) might not have any other redeeming qualities, but maybe they play some weird 2-3 zone that Crean wants to get on tape so he can use it to prepare for a bigger name opponent who also uses that.

At this point I'm willing to just kinda accept that Crean's gonna Crean and there's really nothing I can do about it, but wanted to get that off my chest.

[Assembly Hall]

I definitely agree with the ATH article. My frustration with Crean's non-conference scheduling never is about how many top tier teams IU plays. Usually they play enough due to name factor for Thanksgiving and/or Christmas tournaments to invite them.
The problem comes from the bottom of the schedule. They have 4 games against teams currently in KenPom's top 20, but the only other game against a team currently in the TOP 250 is against Ft.Wayne(neh IPFW) which is ranked 119. After that, they have 8 games against teams currently ranked 260 or lower, including five against teams ranked below 300.

One thing I did hear from a sympathetic podcast was that when it comes to the bottom feeder teams(who everyone schedules) he isn't concerned with any team's ranking necessarily, but rather is looking for a certain style of play they need to see in order to prepare for tougher teams on the schedule. So Delaware St.(340) might not have any other redeeming qualities, but maybe they play some weird 2-3 zone that Crean wants to get on tape so he can use it to prepare for a bigger name opponent who also uses that.

At this point I'm willing to just kinda accept that Crean's gonna Crean and there's really nothing I can do about it, but wanted to get that off my chest.

HR, I have had a problem with CTC's scheduling for quite some time now.

[SunDeck]

The Hoosiers open up as 5.5 point 'dogs to the Jayhawks.

BTW, I'm sorry to inform you that you are required to change your handle to Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall.

I feel bad, listening to Fish stumble over that all game long.

[Assembly Hall]

BTW, I'm sorry to inform you that you are required to change your handle to Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall.


LOL.......aint happening!!!!!!!!!!!!! But you gave me a good chuckle!!!!!

[SunDeck]

LOL.......aint happening!!!!!!!!!!!!! But you gave me a good chuckle!!!!!

:laugh:

[dubc47834]

Well that was embarrassing!!!

[SunDeck]

Well that was embarrassing!!!

IPFW must have had some funky formation Crean wanted to get on film.

[Assembly Hall]

First off, IPFW(Fort Wayne) has a good team and they deserved the win. Secondly, CTC waited too long to go to the zone. Thirdly, I am not a Blackmon fan.

[goreds2]

First off, IPFW(Fort Wayne) has a good team and they deserved the win. Secondly, CTC waited too long to go to the zone. Thirdly, I am not a Blackmon fan. A great win that the Fort Wayne players will never forget. Could be a "Good Loss" for Indiana and will wake them up a little bit.

[Bourgeois Zee]

A great win that the Fort Wayne players will never forget. Could be a "Good Loss" for Indiana and will wake them up a little bit.

It'll hurt them come seeding time.

[Assembly Hall]

It'll hurt them come seeding time.

We shall see.

[Bourgeois Zee]

We shall see.

Well, sure it will. You just don't lose to a directional school (RPI 245 before the game) like this and expect a top seed.

This loss pretty much ensures (unless they do something crazy like win every game they play from now until Selection Sunday) IU's not a number one seed. IPFW has two losses already, one to Arkansas (who profiles to be a bottom-dwelling team in a weak SEC) and one to Illinois State (who profiles as a .500 team in a weak conference).

[Chip R]

Give IU credit. They played an in-state directional school on the road. That's not something a lot of powerhouses do.

[Assembly Hall]

Well, sure it will. You just don't lose to a directional school (RPI 245 before the game) like this and expect a top seed.

This loss pretty much ensures (unless they do something crazy like win every game they play from now until Selection Sunday) IU's not a number one seed. IPFW has two losses already, one to Arkansas (who profiles to be a bottom-dwelling team in a weak SEC) and one to Illinois State (who profiles as a .500 team in a weak conference).

C'mon now. Win every game now until selection Sunday? Ummmmmm, how would a regular season B1G title along with a great showing in the BTT go? Don't forget we got Carolina and Louisville on the schedule. Beating them would go a long ways. Doesnt matter me......I want to play UK in the tournament again!!!!!

[Revering4Blue]

Give IU credit. They played an in-state directional school on the road. That's not something a lot of powerhouses do.

I was there last night, and while this is true in theory, the crowd (yours truly included) was overwhelmingly favoring IU.

As for the game itself, no excuses (Anunoby ill, supposed one-sided officiating -- don't get that, as IU went to the FT line far more often than FW, and proceeded to miss several FTs, which had a profound impact on the outcome) a loss is a loss. If you can't beat a Summit league team when two of their key starters foul out (one of them held to less than half of his scoring average), you don't deserve to win.

[Assembly Hall]

I was there last night, and while this is true in theory, the crowd (yours truly included) was overwhelmingly favoring IU.

As for the game itself, no excuses (Anunoby ill, supposed one-sided officiating -- don't get that, as IU went to the FT line far more often than FW, and proceeded to miss several FTs, which had a profound impact on the outcome) a loss is a loss. If you can't beat a Summit league team when two of their key starters foul out (one of them held to less than half of his scoring average), you don't deserve to win.

I was there too Rev......helluva game!!!!!!!

[Revering4Blue]

It'll hurt them come seeding time.

It certainly will; the question is to what extent, especially if you have designs on a number one seed.

IMHO, if you are an IU fan, in regards to Fort Wayne's RPI/NCAA tourney profile, you have to hope for all of the following (not likely) to occur:

Arkansas and Illinois State to significantly outplay their projected profiles.

An upset win at Notre Dame.

Not stubbing their toes against teams (Summit league or out-of-conference) that they (Fort Wayne) are projected to beat.

Running roughshod through their own conference.

And, of course, winning the conference tournament, securing the automatic bid to the NCAAs.

[Revering4Blue]

I was there too Rev......helluva game!!!!!!!

We certainly got our money's worth.

As an aside, the IPFW (Fort Wayne) brass really should rethink their decision to play fewer games at the Coliseum. Granted, the Gates Center should be packed and serves as a significant home court adventage, but the Coliseum is an incredible recruiting tool.

[Bourgeois Zee]

C'mon now. Win every game now until selection Sunday? Ummmmmm, how would a regular season B1G title along with a great showing in the BTT go?

It would still show a loss to a team with an RPI in the low 200's, perhaps worse.

Those are the types of losses that keep you from number one seeds because other top teams don't lose those games. Ever. Or at least hardly ever. It's better to lose two or three games to teams in the top 25 than to lose one to a team in the 260's. By far.

Now, if they win out (or come extremely close), they might earn a number one seed. But the Big 10 is tough this year-- Purdue, Wisconsin, Michigan State (eventually), Maryland-- all have good teams. It'll be hard to do that.

And UK, KU, Villanova, Xavier, and Arizona are all gunning for those top spots and in better positions to bump up win totals and championships (because of weaker conferences), while Duke, UNC, and Virginia look strong in the ACC. (And you know the ACC is going to take at least one number one seed, probably two.)

[Boston Red]

It would still show a loss to a team with an RPI in the low 200's, perhaps worse.

Those are the types of losses that keep you from number one seeds because other top teams don't lose those games. Ever. Or at least hardly ever. It's better to lose two or three games to teams in the top 25 than to lose one to a team in the 260's. By far.

Now, if they win out (or come extremely close), they might earn a number one seed. But the Big 10 is tough this year-- Purdue, Wisconsin, Michigan State (eventually), Maryland-- all have good teams. It'll be hard to do that.

And UK, KU, Villanova, Xavier, and Arizona are all gunning for those top spots and in better positions to bump up win totals and championships (because of weaker conferences), while Duke, UNC, and Virginia look strong in the ACC. (And you know the ACC is going to take at least one number one seed, probably two.)

IPFW may well be a top 100 team, RPI and all, when things are said and done. It's a bad loss, but it's not terrible. If they lost at Northwestern people wouldn't freak out. This is similar to losing to Northwestern.

Also, I'm not so sure the Big Ten is going to be stronger than the Big East.

[dabvu2498]

IPFW may well be a top 100 team, RPI and all, when things are said and done. It's a bad loss, but it's not terrible. If they lost at Northwestern people wouldn't freak out. This is similar to losing to Northwestern.

Also, I'm not so sure the Big Ten is going to be stronger than the Big East.

IPFW finished 2015-16 at 75 in the RPI.

[Boston Red]

IPFW finished 2015-16 at 75 in the RPI.

UNC was 28-6 last year and got a #1 seed. They lost to Northern Iowa. The Panthers' RPI? #66

Kansas was 30-4 last year and got the overall #1 seed. They lost by almost 30 to Oklahoma State. OSU RPI? #180

I'd say IU's still got a bit of room for error.

[Bourgeois Zee]

IPFW has a 260 RPI this year. Yes, small samples abound, but the five games this season certainly means more than anything that happened last season.

[Boston Red]

IPFW has a 260 RPI this year. Yes, small samples abound, but the five games this season certainly means more than anything that happened last season.

And they're 101 in Sagarin. They're not going to finish 260 in the RPI. Their Sagarin is a lot closer to reality.

[Boston Red]

IPFW has a 260 RPI this year. Yes, small samples abound, but the five games this season certainly means more than anything that happened last season.

By the way, if you really think November RPI means something, you wouldn't claim the Big Ten is stronger than the Big East. The Big East is currently #1 in RPI by a huge margin.

Which also isn't real.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Their Sagarin is a lot closer to reality.

Why?

[Boston Red]

Why?

Because Sagarin is a much more sophisticated formula that tells you much more about how good a team actually is. RPI will start to generally follow how good a team is, but it takes a lot longer with its stupidly simple formula.

[Boston Red]

Current RPIs: UNC-W #2, Kentucky #24

[Bourgeois Zee]

Current RPIs: UNC-W #2, Kentucky #24

What about Sagarin?

(I didn't realize what a powerhouse IPFW was.)

[texasdave]

What about Sagarin?

(I didn't realize what a powerhouse IPFW was.)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/ <- Sagarin. Top 4 teams are all ACC. Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Louisville

http://kenpom.com/ <- Pomeroy. Top 4 are Duke, Villanova, North Carolina and Kentucky. They have Fort Worth at 120.

[dabvu2498]

And they're 101 in Sagarin. They're not going to finish 260 in the RPI. Their Sagarin is a lot closer to reality.

Realtimerpi.com has IPFW up to 104 already.

[Bourgeois Zee]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/ <- Sagarin. Top 4 teams are all ACC. Virginia, North Carolina, Duke and Louisville

http://kenpom.com/ <- Pomeroy. Top 4 are Duke, Villanova, North Carolina and Kentucky. They have Fort Worth at 120.

Don't both Sagarin and kenpom add last year's team success into this year's numbers this early in the season?

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Realtimerpi.com has IPFW up to 104 already.

Just wait two weeks, they'll be in the top 25.

[Boston Red]

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Just wait two weeks, they'll be in the top 25.

They'll almost certainly finish closer to 25 than 260.

[Bourgeois Zee]

They'll almost certainly finish closer to 25 than 260.

Oh, I don't know about that.

I suspect they'll be somewhere between 140 and 200, all things considered. They'd have to be at 118 or so, and with two losses to bad teams already (plus only one more game against a team with any pedigree) and a bad conference, they've got an uphill climb. Of course, it helps to beat IU.

That win alone might get them there.

Of course, it depends on what rating we can agree on.

[Boston Red]

140 is closer to 25 than 260. :)

FWIW, RPI Forecast predicts that they'll finish #112.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/index2.html

[Assembly Hall]

(I didn't realize what a powerhouse IPFW was.)

I take that as sarcasm? But IPFW has been pretty good the past few years. I know the conference they are in doesnt get much respect but there are some good programs in it. Oakland, which took Sparty to OT last year, is one.

[dubc47834]

I think when it's all said and done, IU will be in the 10-15 ranking at the end of the year. Which is what they started the season at. The Kansas win I think put unrealistic expectations on this team!!!

[Assembly Hall]

I think when it's all said and done, IU will be in the 10-15 ranking at the end of the year. Which is what they started the season at. The Kansas win I think put unrealistic expectations on this team!!!

Well quite a few talking heads said before the season that IU was a legit FF contender. I think the Kansas win vaulted them up in the polls way too fast. CTC is still working on his combinations on the floor and seeing what he has with the new guys. I fully expect them to be a Top Ten team come the end of the year, but that will hinge on conference play.

[WMR]

Give IU credit. They played an in-state directional school on the road. That's not something a lot of powerhouses do.

Why in the HELL did IU agree to play in their bandbox gym? That's just asking for trouble...

IU has its OWN bandbox gym they could've played in. ;)

[Assembly Hall]

Why in the HELL did IU agree to play in their bandbox gym? That's just asking for trouble...

IU has its OWN bandbox gym they could've played in. ;)

LOL

And just where in the hell have you been my UK friend?

[Hoosier Red]

Why in the HELL did IU agree to play in their bandbox gym? That's just asking for trouble...

IU has its OWN bandbox gym they could've played in. ;)

I've been having this philosophical scheduling discussion on other forums and I've come to this conclusion.

1) I think getting road game experience is useful prior to conference season. In years where IU alternates to home games for their big cross conference matchups(B1G-ACC) then I think it makes sense to still play someone OOC as a true road game.

2) If you're not going to go big with the OOC game(Top 20 power conference matchup) I'm perfectly happy to spread the love around the state to various smaller universities whether they be Evansville, IPFW, Indiana State, Ball State, Valpo, IUPUI, etc...

The big objection I've heard to this is that IU's setting itself up for disaster because the opponent's going to treat the game like it's Super Bowl. To this I say GOOD.
No matter how careful a big program is to schedule itself to health and prosperity, at some point, some where they're going to stub their toe and lose to a small conference team. And if you accept that you'll occasionally lose to these small schools, better to have it benefit an in-state school than some place far away. If Ft.Wayne benefits a little bit from this win, fine. If IU's ever in a position where they have to worry about Ft.Wayne or Evansville or ISU or IUPUI stealing recruits, then IU has bigger problems on it's plate.

In the end, the loss sucked for IU. I'm glad IPFW got something to hang their hat on. As long as IU learns from it, this shouldn't define IU's season or in the end be anything more than an unpleasant memory.

[gilpdawg]

Why in the HELL did IU agree to play in their bandbox gym? That's just asking for trouble...

IU has its OWN bandbox gym they could've played in. ;)
Well, technically it's not a bandbox where they played. They played at the Coliseum which holds 13,000. Their normal gym is in fact, a bandbox. [emoji12]

I don't mind throwing them a bone, and Indiana has a history of that. They played at Evansville a couple of times, and even Knight played Butler at Butler back in the 90s (and got beat).

[Assembly Hall]

Well, technically it's not a bandbox where they played. They played at the Coliseum which holds 13,000. Their normal gym is in fact, a bandbox. [emoji12]

I don't mind throwing them a bone, and Indiana has a history of that. They played at Evansville a couple of times, and even Knight played Butler at Butler back in the 90s (and got beat).

LOL.

Many people dont realize that the Coliseum was built for the Pistons. That's right the Fort Wayne Pistons that have since moved to Detroit. I do believe that it is bigger than Notre Dame's basketball facility(whatever they call that these days). In any event the Allen County War Memorial Coliseum is a big venue.

The Butler game you referred to was when the Dawgs were up and coming. And yes, the Hoosiers lost at Hinkle. Funny thing is IU's next game was against #1 Kentucky and the Hoosiers spanked them at the Dome. And that would have been the 93-94 season. And ironically Knight's last "good" team.

[SunDeck]

Well, that seemed...loud. 2-0 v. top 5 teams is pretty darned impressive, but I honestly don't put a huge amount of stock in these early marquee wins. Beating anyone in their home gym is challenging enough and I think the difference in this game probably came down to the deer in the headlights first ten minutes of UNC's game. That, and the resolve IU showed when UNC clawed back to 4 down at the end of the game, I suppose. Maybe the biggest difference between this and the last time they played is the defense. If IU can keep a team with this many weapons to 10 percentage points below their expected FG%, then that seems pretty good to me.

But I suspect this team will go through some terrible defensive rotations; which seems to have become the nature of Crean's teams. What is most maddening about it is that they struggle to make the appropriate in game changes when the original plan isn't working, as we saw last time they played UNC. But it's a good feeling to see them get a nice win like this, which I unfortunately cannot share with the folks in Bloomington, as I am back in Cincinnati helping the parents with some things around the house.

[Assembly Hall]

If you would have told 2 months back that on December 1st we would be 5-1......I would not have been shocked. But if you told me we would be 5-1 with wins over Kansas and Carolina......I would have said WOW. I will take it.

[bounty37h]

Indiana played a very good game against a good UNC team last night. I was impressed by IU, they came out and attacked UNC from the get go and were able to counter when UNC got back in it to keep them at a distance. Seemed like a great environment to watch a game. UNC couldn't make their shots (or free throws) but a lot of it was Indiana frustrating them, esp. inside.

[Assembly Hall]

Indiana played a very good game against a good UNC team last night. I was impressed by IU, they came out and attacked UNC from the get go and were able to counter when UNC got back in it to keep them at a distance. Seemed like a great environment to watch a game. UNC couldn't make their shots (or free throws) but a lot of it was Indiana frustrating them, esp. inside.

No shame in losing to the Hoosiers. As a matter of fact IU fares pretty well against highly ranked opponents at the Hall. I know I am a homer, but I have been to a lot of venues, and Assembly Hall absolutely rocks. Damn when I go there I have to take ear plugs with me!!!!!!

Hopefully we see you Heels again......only this time in the Final Four!!!!!!!!!

[Boston Red]

I'm feeling an at-large bid for IPFW.

[gilpdawg]

I'm feeling an at-large bid for IPFW.
They could get the auto bid. Either them or North Dakota St. They've got a real shot to win that league.

[Assembly Hall]

I'm feeling an at-large bid for IPFW.

That IU win looks pretty dang good on their resume right now!!!!!!!

[bounty37h]

No shame in losing to the Hoosiers. As a matter of fact IU fares pretty well against highly ranked opponents at the Hall. I know I am a homer, but I have been to a lot of venues, and Assembly Hall absolutely rocks. Damn when I go there I have to take ear plugs with me!!!!!!

Hopefully we see you Heels again......only this time in the Final Four!!!!!!!!!

I would have liked to have seen us start out better and have a better 1st 10 minutes than we did, but certainly no shame in it. Its a very good IU team, they played a good game and have good talent and will get many more wins before the year is out. I didn't see Danny Greens little brother get any run last night, has been playing any? The Dean Dome isn't an intimidating place to play noise wise most games but certainly gets loud against big opponents. Last nights game seemed loud! I have always had a lot of respect for the Hoosiers and the history and competition there.

[SunDeck]

First allow me to say I generally don't care who is announcing or color commentating a game. People hate Buck, Morgan, or whomever. I don't chime in; it really doesn't bother me to listen to them.

Nevertheless,

Dick. Vitale. Is. Horrible.

His voice is terrible, it sounded like he was sick. Second, he is stuck in this tape loop of "let's see how many great players can I name from the 70s, 80s, and 90s". Third, I'm not a basketball expert, but was there honestly one moment during the game when he pointed out something (when I could actually make out what he was saying) that was not completely obvious?

[Hoosier Red]

So yesterday was quite the newsy day in Hoosierland huh?
I'm still trying to piece together all that went into what on the surface looks like a crazy rash decision. My guess is that Wilson & Glass never got along but you can only be a pain in the rear end to the degree you are irreplaceable.
Once Glass had someone who could so seamlessly replace Wilson, he pulled the trigger.

[SunDeck]

So yesterday was quite the newsy day in Hoosierland huh?
I'm still trying to piece together all that went into what on the surface looks like a crazy rash decision. My guess is that Wilson & Glass never got along but you can only be a pain in the rear end to the degree you are irreplaceable.
Once Glass had someone who could so seamlessly replace Wilson, he pulled the trigger.

In hindsight, this was probably brewing for a while. They were absolutely ecstatic to land Allen, gushing about him being a Hoosier (possibly the most important thing to the red sweater, white hair crowd), how his ethics were strong, his philosophy was about leadership and personal development. I'm going to have to go back and look at the article (it was like a full pager) in the HT because my recollection is that it might be read as a critique of Wilson's management of the players. For what it's worth, the Fakecoachwilson Twitter had a handle on this a long time ago. It was a caricature for sure, but my sense is that it came from inside and was fueled by genuine experience around the guy. And it could be hilarious at times.

[Revering4Blue]

To expand upon redsfanmia's spot-on post about Coach Hep in the CFB Coaching thread:


It's difficult to know what Hoeppner's legacy would be today if he had lived and had been able to continue as IU's coach. On one hand, IU has long been regarded as a coaching graveyard, if you'll pardon the expression in this context. The odds were against Hoeppner simply because of where he coached. Still, it's not hard to imagine that he would have been successful.

t's easy to dwell on how things could have been different. Would IU have lost the SIU and UConn games in 2006 had Hep been on the sideline? Just one of those wins would have sent IU to a warm weather bowl in 2006. Would Hep have done even better than 7-5 with the talented 2007 squad? Could he have kept Kellen Lewis in line? Could he have taken IU beyond the realm of minor bowls? It's all unknown and unknowable. It's possible that he wouldn't have done well. It's possible that he would have done better than Cam Cameron and Gerry Dinardo, but perhaps by now, in his eighth season, he would be where Bill Mallory was in the early 1990s, respected but hearing some grumbling about whether IU could ever break out of the middle of the pack.

I wish we had been given the opportunity to find out, but regardless, Hoeppner's short tenure at IU had a lasting impact.

http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2012/6/19/3096576/five-years-after-the-death-of-terry-hoeppner