Jacksonville Jaguars 2016 Thread

[JaxRed]

Couple weeks before the draft, time to address the Jags upcoming season. The Jags feel that they were much improved even though their record only showed 2 more wins then the previous season (5). There's a feeling the Jags are almost where they want to be on offense with Blake Bortles emerging as a true starting QB, and one of the best WR tandems in the league with Allen Hurns and Allen Robinson ("Welcome to Allentown").

So the feeling going into the offseason was improve the defense, and also address the OL somewhere along the way.

But first, every year owner Shad Khan makes big moves to improve the Stadium and surrounding areas. This year there are two big changes, one of which will be done for this season. First, the Jags are redoing the Club Seats sections on each side of the field to make them more luxurious and open.

http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/US-Assure-partners-with-Jaguars-on-naming-rights-of-Club-areas-at-EverBank-Field/655080ff-7bc8-4a0a-b75f-acbdd9668ed6

They will now lead into the interior of the stadium into areas that will function as huge lounges. One of the features is start of the art LED lighting that can be different colors for different teams (for example Orange and Blue for Florida and Red and Black for Georgia).

The other part of the project that will not be done in time for this season because the scope is too large, is that the Jags are building a 90 million dollar Indoor Practice field/Amphitheater combo that tied into the South End of the stadium.

http://archpaper.com/2016/04/populous-unveil-plans-jacksonville-jaguars-jaguars-amphitheater-flex-field/

Free Agency

The Jags had the most cap room of any team going into Free Agency and were able to land their biggest target in Denver DL Malik Jackson. Widely regarded as the #1 or #2 Free Agent in the class, Malik signed early. The also made a serious run at Miami's Olivier Vernon, and offered BIG money, but instead he chose the big city with the Giants.

The Jags also picked up RB Chris Ivory the AFC's top rusher to complement TJ Yeldon, and Browns DB Tashaun Gibson as the biggest names. They also got Prince Amukamura at CB and OL Kevin Beachum coming off an ACL tear from Pittsburgh.

Draft.

The Jags have the #5 pick. They are expected to go heavily defense throughout the draft, with maybe on OL somewhere. The three names which most analysts and fans see the Jags targeting are Myles Jack LB UCLA, Jalen Ramsey S Fla St, and DE Joey Bosa Ohio State. As long as Jags get one of those three I think they will be happy.

The Jags only had their top defensive player Sen'Derrick Marks avail for about 3 games last year, and the lost their #3 overall pick Dante Fowler for the year on the first day of practice. So, with the addition of who they pick up in the first round this year the Jags think they will get 3 big additions to this years defense by the time 1 pick is made.

[Kingspoint]

Glad to see them taking seriously that keeping Bortles upright is important. They've made the LT position open to whoever looks the best, rather than the incumbent high draft pick.

[JaxRed]

Well, the draft is over, and it could not have gone better for the Jags. Almost across the board, the Jags are considered to have one of the Top 3 drafts, and most analysts have the Jags as #1. That is because heading into the draft there were 2 top talents on defense (Jalen Ramsey and Myles Jack). There would have been a third if Jalen Smith was healthy. There was also Joey Bosa who was close to them but met a position of need for the Jags.

All along, everyone felt if we could get one of those three we would be very happy. But picking at 5 it didn't look possible until the trades were made to go get QB's. Now they were guaranteed to get one of the three. Ramsey was the top prize but we never felt he would get by both SD and Dallas. But then San Diego shocked most observers by going after Bosa, and then Jerry Jones handed a major gift to the Jags by refusing to move down 3 spots and trade with Baltimore, and he stunned by taking Ezekial Elliot. There had been rumors of that, but most thought he would take Ramsey.

The second that pick was made it was obvious the Jags were taking Ramsey. Baltimore once again tried to flip one spot with Jags to get Ramsey but the Jags had their guy. In later press conferences, by piecing the information together, the Jags were prepared to take 1 of 4 guys. We were going defense, so Tunsil was not an option. The 4 guys, were Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner and Jack. So if Ramsey and Bosa had gone, the Jags were only going to take Jack if they could trade down a few picks and get him, otherwise it was Buckner.

With Jags pick of Ramsey they sat back to watch the proceedings. Once Jack hit the 20's and was still on the board, the Jags started making some calls to go back and get Jack. GM David Caldwell stated later they only wanted to give up a 5th, and hang on to their 4th. All the teams that they called with an offer refused.

Once the 2nd round started and the first 2 picks were spent on DE's that had slipped in Dodd and Ogbah, the Jags started making calls. Dallas and SD said no, but Baltimore said Yes, so the Jags gave up a 5th and picked Myles Jack. The Jags had ended up with 2 of the top 4 players in the draft.

After that, the Jags went all pass rush, all the time. Their 3rd round pick was Yannick Ngakoue, a DE end from Maryland, who was 2nd in the Big 10 in sacks. In Round 4 the pick they did not want to give up they got Sheldon Day from Notre Dame at DL.

Their 5th and 6th round picks were spent on DE from small schools (Montana and Central Arkansas) that were sack specialists to see if any of them represent "lightning in a bottle". With the extra 6th rounder they got from trading Josh Scobee last season they picked up a developmental QB from Arkansas. If he sticks with team barring a MAJOR surprise he would be our 3rd QB.

[Tom Servo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oq88nFqJNY

[JaxRed]

Tell it sister !!

[Sea Ray]

Excellent draft for the Jags. They should compete for the div title this yr

[Kingspoint]

The Jags rightfully declined Luke Joeckel's 5th year option. He's been a bust since taken #2 in 2013, as has Jonathan Cooper, whose option the Patriots also declined today. Joeckel beat out Jake Matthews who beat out Ogbuehi when they were all freshman together in College. Matthews, who came out in 2014, had a decent season in his first year at LT with Atlanta. I'm pretty confident that under the tutelage of Paul Alexander, Ogbuehi will prove to be the right pick, as LT's are hard to find when you're picking in the mid-20's all the time. With this being his first training camp, Ogbuehi will have a decent shot at playing a decent RT this season before making the move the next.

[bucksfan2]

I like the Jags and the direction they are heading, I see two problems.
1. Andrew Luck
2. The Texans have a better roster.

If, and its a big if, Bortles can take the next step I think Jacksonville can compete for a Wild Card. It will be interesting to see what happens between Jacksonville and Tennessee, both of whom I think are headed in the right direction. I think the Colts are the worst of the bunch when it comes to overall talent, but they have Andrew Luck.

[Kingspoint]

Bortles led the NFL last year in Total Yards of passes that went 20 yards or more past the LOS. Hurns played hurt all year (and, that's news?). Robinson is a stud, ready to enter the Green/Julio/Dez/Demaryius/Antonio conversation. (Should Baldwin be there, too, now that the Seahawks opened things up and he led the NFL in total yards the second half last year?)

The Jags lacked a big possession Receiver last year. Bortles didn't have a reliable chain mover.

TJ Yeldon is a Top-5 RB. You can pencil him in for 100 yards from scrimmage every game.

Joeckel killed them last year, while Bortles made numerous head-scratching blunders. He also held the ball too long again. But, he made a lot of progress.....enough to know that he will justiy his draft position. He also has that moxy that can make 4th Qtr comebacks. They have a new LT, but I don't know if he'll be ready to work with the starting unit in training camp. (?)

On that short-passing game...Rashad Greene was it last year, but he was terrible at YAC. Bortles just said that Greene is ready to take the next step, but that's just talk. Greene really struggled making 10 yards on any reception. He looked like Warrick's clone.

[Kingspoint]

I like the Jags and the direction they are heading, I see two problems.
1. Andrew Luck
2. The Texans have a better roster.

If, and its a big if, Bortles can take the next step I think Jacksonville can compete for a Wild Card. It will be interesting to see what happens between Jacksonville and Tennessee, both of whom I think are headed in the right direction. I think the Colts are the worst of the bunch when it comes to overall talent, but they have Andrew Luck.

Who is the QB in Texas? I seriously forgot. What happened to Luck last year before he got hurt was disturbing. He looked like he'd had a lobotomy. Stupid decision after stupid decision game after game, with no sign of change or improvement. Not a fan of the Colts retaining some of their Coaching staff (though happy as a Bengals' fan).

Don't sleep on Tennessee. LeBeau was given full reins of the D. He'll get it turned around fast.

[WVRed]

Who is the QB in Texas? I seriously forgot. What happened to Luck last year before he got hurt was disturbing. He looked like he'd had a lobotomy. Stupid decision after stupid decision game after game, with no sign of change or improvement. Not a fan of the Colts retaining some of their Coaching staff (though happy as a Bengals' fan).

Don't sleep on Tennessee. LeBeau was given full reins of the D. He'll get it turned around fast.

Brock Osweiler.

Tennessee is in the same boat as Jacksonville in that Mariota needs receivers, although he can do more with his legs than Bortles can.

[redsfanmia]

Who is the QB in Texas? I seriously forgot. What happened to Luck last year before he got hurt was disturbing. He looked like he'd had a lobotomy. Stupid decision after stupid decision game after game, with no sign of change or improvement. Not a fan of the Colts retaining some of their Coaching staff (though happy as a Bengals' fan).

Don't sleep on Tennessee. LeBeau was given full reins of the D. He'll get it turned around fast.
Luck was hurt before the lacerated kidney, he hurt his ribs and shoulder and was never quite right, he overcompensated thus the poor decisions. He will be fine.

[JaxRed]

I think the Joeckel talk is a little overdone. They didn't release him, just didn't pick up an expensive 5th year. He was adequate last year except for the last game in which he got abused. But you don't pay 2nd overall pick money to a guy that's just adequate. They got him competition at LT. There's even some talk he may move to LG if he loses that battle. Long term, I can see OL being an area of emphasis next year in Free Agency and Draft.

I think you guys sold our receivers short. There's a reason we didn't target a single receiver in either Free Agency or the Draft. They like what they have. You didn't mention last years #1 Free Agent (for Jags), Julius Thomas the Tight End. In addition, Rashad Green was a rookie who got started late in camp with Achilles soreness, suffered a concussion in Game 1, and a broken thumb/surgery in game 2 that put him on short term IR until week 11. So that's why they expect a big step up from him. There's also a chance that the light comes on for 2nd round speedster Marquis Lee but I'm not as optimistic as everyone else. They also have a great possession guy in Walters and were high on Arellius Benn till he was hurt for the season.

Among the things not brought up.... we also picked up the leading rusher in the AFC in Chris Ivory.

I'm uber excited for the upcoming season. And the Jags are doing it for long haul. Even after signing the FA's they did this off-season, the Jags are still the team with the most cap room for 2016!

[IslandRed]

I have to admit, I'm having a hard time remembering when a defense has added as much high-end talent (insert usual disclaimers about rookies and potential and injuries) in one offseason as what Jacksonville just did. Adding Malik Jackson and virtually adding Fowler and Marks to the DL; adding Ramsey and more depth to the secondary; adding Jack to the linebacking corps -- he and Telvin Smith are just a ridiculously athletic pairing at OLB. For the first time in ages, it feels like they're ready to win.

[Kingspoint]

Yes. Julius Thomas spent most of last year injured, which is why we saw too much Greene and why I forgot about Thomas. Thomas was really missed last season.

Ivory doesn't have a lot of snaps in his career even though he's getting up there in age for a RB. There's at least 500 good touches in him which combined with Yeldon, could generate three good seasons as a RB pair.

There aren't enough footballs to go around.

Joeckel was not adequate. He showed signs of improvement the first quarter of the year, but it didn't continue. The reality is, that he's likely gone after this season, unless he shows a lot more than what he showed last year. Moving him to Guard won't make him better. If they have a need at Guard (why else would one think of moving Joeckel there), they should be jumping at the chance to pick up Matt Slauson, released Sunday by the Bears. He's visiting the Chargers today and the Bills after that. He was PFF's 18th ranked Guard (out of 50 qualifiers) last season, and excelled at pass protection, a necessity in order to give Bortles the time he needs to find his best option and throw that deep ball.

[JaxRed]

Well training camps are open and things still looking good for the Jags. A backup OL (Bowanko) will be out at least the first 6 games and their 7th round draft pick tore his Achilles and will be out for the year. So very good health so far. There was a cartilage cleanup for Jalen Ramsey but he is 100% and impressing everyone at camp.

Khan and the Jags are doing something to upgrade the stadium every year. This years project was to covert the Club Seats into actual Clubs. Cost 27 million dollars. So now people sitting in club seats can go indoors to total luxury. It appears all the club seats will be sold as season tickets. No individual seats.

http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/US-Assure-Clubs-unveiled/e33c97a0-2273-4375-bf4c-8ce9df338fe3

Next years project, an combo indoor practice field/amphitheater has already started initial construction to be complete next May.

[Kingspoint]

7th rounder out and a backup D-Lineman. So much of winning in Pro sports is staying healthy. Bengals off to a bad start.

Fantasy sports on NFL Network is picking Bortles to finish 10th-11th in QB points. I don't see how he doesn't take a huge jump with a healthier Receiving Corps, heavily improved running game to keep drives going, better protection at the line, especially LT, and a quicker release time from snap to throw. He's a lock for Top-7 to me, and easily the #1 QB in his Division because his assets are so much greater than Luck's. Luck has a lot to prove as he regressed heavily with his decision-making last year. Luck will have a much better Receiving Corps, but his RB's are still bad, putting too much responsibility on Luck to keep drives alive.

[MWM]

Living in Jax, there seems to be this feeling that they're going to take a big leap forward this year. I don't see it. As long as Gus Bradley is the coach, they will continue to lose big every year. I predict 6-10 at best.

[JaxRed]

Living in Jax, there seems to be this feeling that they're going to take a big leap forward this year. I don't see it. As long as Gus Bradley is the coach, they will continue to lose big every year. I predict 6-10 at best.

I'll take that bet. I'll be SHOCKED if they are not at least 8-8. I kind of expect 9-7. I think Gus will be fine. He had some learning curves his first couple years where he would make some head scratching decisions, but those seem to have faded.

I went to the public scrimmage tonight. First time I saw the worlds largest scoreboards in action. Pretty impressive. Their clarity in addition to their size is amazing.

2 things kind of jumped out tonight. We had all kinds of placekicking issues last year trying to replace Scobee, The new guy Meyers has a big leg but missed a fair amount of field goals in the first half of the season, including 3 that cost us the Indy game, and he lead the league in missed extra points. Well, the "camp leg" brought in to show competition has looked WAY better. Meyers missed a 55 yarder and barely snuck an extra point in between the goal posts. And the new guy (Ficken) was perfect all night long. So we might have a new kicker.

There's been discussion all along about Joeckel the LT that was 2nd overall pick in 2013. He's been average (at best) at LT and Jags signed a FA LT (Beachum) to push him and they declined his option year. Well Beacham is still recovering from his ACL injury and wasn't available tonight. But Joeckel still played at Left Guard today, and everyone was amazed at how good he looked. He may have found his new position.

[Kingspoint]

Yeah, Beachum's recovery target was always about Week 1.

[MWM]

I'll take that bet. I'll be SHOCKED if they are not at least 8-8. I kind of expect 9-7. I think Gus will be fine. He had some learning curves his first couple years where he would make some head scratching decisions, but those seem to have faded.



My perception from watching them just about every week is that they are horribly unprepared from a game plan perspective. I think you can tell sometimes if a team just lacks talent or are poorly coached. In my opinion, the Jags have looked very poorly coached the past couple of years. I think Bradley is in over his head.

This year will be final reckoning for him, though. They've got talent this year. I hope I'm wrong about him, but I just see them continuing to lose.

[JaxRed]

Excitement heading into tonight's game. First look at a whole lot of players (on defense). O-Line looks to be very shorthanded tonight. Beachum not ready to play, they are holding out Linder (center) with slight groin issue. Wells out with thumb injury. No prognosis on regular season but not available tonight.

So feeling is Offense won't do too much, but defense is at full strength and that's what people are anxious to see.

[JaxRed]

OK, coming out the game folks are feeling pretty good. Turns out the defense was far from full strength as they held out Jalen Ramsey, Tashuan Gipson, and Sheldon Day. Despite fearing that a depleted O-Line would cause problems, they did an acceptable job.

Bortles and the offense looked very good scoring a TD and a GF in 2 possessions. Allen Robinson was his usual great self. Running game looked strong. Even Marquis Lee looked good.

After Bortles left, the offense could only muster 3 points the rest of the game. It just grinds to a halt (scoring wise) when Blake is not in.

Special Teams had some issues on returns. They intentionally kicked off the ball short to allow returns, and they allowed long ones.

Defense looked pretty good. Fowler, Jack and Ngowkwe got their first live action. Couple issues with moderate length passes over the linebackers and in front of safeties. Most seem to think that Telving Smith bought on some "traps" and came in to far.

Healthwise the Jags came out ok. Only item of note was a sprained ankle for Aaron Colvin. Even if that turned out to be a lingering problem, he's out for the first 4 weeks with PED suspension anyway.

[Kingspoint]

Allen Robinson is only 22. He could quickly become the best WR in the NFL. He was Top-10 last season.

[JaxRed]

Allen Robinson is only 22. He could quickly become the best WR in the NFL. He was Top-10 last season.

At the time you posted that he was still 21. Just turned 22. Jags have a another baby. Myles Jack is still 20.

[JaxRed]

Jags have just finished up Game number 2. In a lot of ways it was like Game 1. First String Offense looked great. 3 drives produced 2 touchdowns. So in 2 games, 1st string has 5 possessions, for 3 touchdowns and 1 FG. And for the second game, once Bortles comes out, everything grinds to a halt. Zero offensive points last night after Bortles. Both the running and passing games look very good. And the O-Line looked respectable. Still no Beacham at LG or LT. The primary replacement, FA McKenzie Bernadeau has looked below-par according to all concerned.

On defense we had our first look at Jalen Ramsey and he showed up big a few times. But, overall I keep expecting big things from the defense and they just look OK.

Bengals up next.

[Kingspoint]

New LT Kelvin Beachum is going to give Jags' fans their first look of him when he gets the start Sunday against the Bengals. Bortles was treated like a tackling dummy by his predecessor Luke Joeckel. Joeckel gets one more year to save his Jacksonville career as he gets to start at LG. Their large investments requires that they try to see if he can fit somewhere, but like many a player before him and since, great physical attributes can overcome poor to mediocre abilities in College, but the lack of a skillset and inability to learn (whether it's from desire, laziness or intelligence) gets exposed in the NFL.

Joeckel will get destroyed when Atkins lines up on that side, while Michael Johnson and Beachum should be a good matchup. I doubt if Peko will have trouble with Joeckel.

Allen Hurns should burn Kirkpatrick more thhan once.

[Sea Ray]

Jags have just finished up Game number 2. In a lot of ways it was like Game 1. First String Offense looked great. 3 drives produced 2 touchdowns. So in 2 games, 1st string has 5 possessions, for 3 touchdowns and 1 FG. And for the second game, once Bortles comes out, everything grinds to a halt. Zero offensive points last night after Bortles. Both the running and passing games look very good. And the O-Line looked respectable. Still no Beacham at LG or LT. The primary replacement, FA McKenzie Bernadeau has looked below-par according to all concerned.

On defense we had our first look at Jalen Ramsey and he showed up big a few times. But, overall I keep expecting big things from the defense and they just look OK.

Bengals up next.

The Jags looked horrible. The Bengals controlled both sides of the line of scrimmage in the first half. The Jags were panicky and unsure of how to line up and made unforced errors. They seemed unprepared for a game against a decent team. They've been bad for so long they ought to be better by now. Being a Bengal fan, I know what I'm seeing. I'm seeing Bengal teams of long ago under Shula and Coslet.

[redsfanmia]

I wasn't impressed last night, honestly looked like the same ole Jags.

[Kingspoint]

The Jags looked horrible. The Bengals controlled both sides of the line of scrimmage in the first half. The Jags were panicky and unsure of how to line up and made unforced errors. They seemed unprepared for a game against a decent team. They've been bad for so long they ought to be better by now. Being a Bengal fan, I know what I'm seeing. I'm seeing Bengal teams of long ago under Shula and Coslet.

The Bengals' Lines on both sides of the ball will make a lot of teams look bad this year.

[JaxRed]

Yeah, that was a fairly disappointing performance by the first team. That should be a bit of an eye opener after 2 games of the first team looking very good. Most of the starters will not play Thursday so besides cutdowns/waiver pickups next big event is opening day against Packers.

Did come out of the game without any significant injuries though.

[Kingspoint]

Joeckel needs to be cut. The Jaguars are just compounding their mistake of selecting him by trying him out at LG. Opponents will destroy that part of the O-Line. In the meantime, a great opportunity to play someone else there (Geoff Schwartz?) is wasted. Wasn't getting Bortles sacked 106 times in his first 30 games (an NFL record) enough damage for a franchise QB to have to endure?

It wasn't just that he was blown up every time Atkins faced him. He was sent flying backwards onto hus butt the first time he faced Michael Johnson, whom Beachum (playing LT for the first time in his career) never once had happen to him. When Joeckel went against Peko, he was so slow getting to Peko (slower than Peko!) that he dove at his ankles nearly drawing a penalty before Peko simply hurdled him and pursued the play.

Jonathan Cooper was taken 7th in the same draft. Arizona moved on from him and admitted their mistake. They even benched him the last couple of seasons and made him earn his starts. That's never been the case with Joeckel and Jacksonville. There's an organizational flaw there.

[JaxRed]

Well, after the final pre-season game (done without starters of course), the Jags came out pretty healthy for the game, and therefor the whole pre-season. They had a player (Ohio State 2015 6th round pick Michael Bennet) come up with a calf injury but I think it was one of those "wink wink" injuries so they could protect him by putting him on the IR.

We expected the cutdown to be painful, and it was. The Jags lost 4 guys to other teams active squads, including one draftee (6th rounder Holmes). Only SF had as many players claimed as the Jags. We kept 3 QB's, as they decided to protect U of Ark QB Brandon Allen as the probable back up QB of the future.

There was some expectation the Jags might pursue Josh Sitton since he was cut in FA or a new kicker, but neither appears to be materializing.

[JaxRed]

Well, Sunday is opening day of what hopes to be a 8-8 or better season for Jacksonville. We go into the season very healthy. All 53 players are cleared for tomorrow. The IR list is fairly light. 2 guys that were drafted in 6th and 7th rounds an UDFA and a guy who's kicked around as a reserve for 6 years.

The only negative about the situation is we drew a very tough opening day assignment against the GB Packers. I think most fans think we CAN win, but expect we probably won't as the team is so young and with so many new pieces that it may take a while to gel.

If the Jags pull the upset, I would think it came down to this:

1) Blake did not make any "what was he thinking?" plays like he did often last season. He has been very good with the ball in the pre-season.
2) Special teams were not special in a bad way. They were pretty shaky in pre-season. Just be average.
3) Running game, led by Chris Ivory had a big game.
4) O-Line held up well. They've felt pretty good all along on the right side, and they have a returning guard moving to center in Brandon Lindner that they think will be an eventual All-Pro at C. And so Beacham must be able to go all game at LT, and Joeckel has to be adequate at RG.
5) Defense has to be able to stop Rogers on 3rd down, which means we must get pressure.


Well....turns out Ivory is admitted to Hospital with a general medical issue, so he won't be a factor.

[JaxRed]

Well, we went toe to toe with the Packers and ended up a hair short 27-23 with us on their 14 yard line. Looking at what our keys to victory were, it showed why we came close.

1) Blake did not make any "what was he thinking?" plays like he did often last season. He has been very good with the ball in the pre-season.

He continued to be good with the ball. He had one interception on a ball that was slightly behind the receiver that the receiver batted a couple times right into the hands of a defender.

2) Special teams were not special in a bad way. They were pretty shaky in pre-season. Just be average.

They were way better than average. They were very good. Our punter had a 62.5 yard average and our shaky kicker was 3/3 on GG's and 2/2/ on extra points.

3) Running game, led by Chris Ivory had a big game.

This is one the areas that hurt us. Chris Ivory missed the game with a sudden illness. Based on absolutely nothing, I'm guessing appendix. We had hoped to have a strong running game alternating 2 backs and instead we got 1 back and 48 yards.

4) O-Line held up well. They've felt pretty good all along on the right side, and they have a returning guard moving to center in Brandon Lindner that they think will be an eventual All-Pro at C. And so Beacham must be able to go all game at LT, and Joeckel has to be adequate at RG.

They were fairly good at pass protection. 3 sacks. But Blake had time to throw most of the time.

5) Defense has to be able to stop Rogers on 3rd down, which means we must get pressure.

This was our biggest problem. We still got no pressure.

We ended up pretty healthy again.

[JaxRed]

Okay, we head to San Diego today. 4 PM game. We have always played like crap on the west coast. We remain fairly healthy but not as healthy as week 1. Chris Ivory remains out with his "medical issue" which not only has not been released it hasn't been rumored. I heard Appendix was ruled out. But we lost Prince Amukamura for today's game with ankle issue.

Lot of feeling that this is winnable game so if we start 0-2 a lot of folks are going to be unhappy. Bosa is out for the game. Couple of coaching moves raised eyebrows last week. Jags said that they specifically told their pass rushers to maintain their lanes at the expense of possible sacks in order to contain Rogers from rolling out. It was relatively successful as Rogers got less than 200 yards, but... we also lost. Our second rounder Myles Jack got almost essentially no playing time. They have to get him into game plan.

[Sea Ray]

Okay, we head to San Diego today. 4 PM game. We have always played like crap on the west coast. We remain fairly healthy but not as healthy as week 1. Chris Ivory remains out with his "medical issue" which not only has not been released it hasn't been rumored. I heard Appendix was ruled out. But we lost Prince Amukamura for today's game with ankle issue.

Lot of feeling that this is winnable game so if we start 0-2 a lot of folks are going to be unhappy. Bosa is out for the game. Couple of coaching moves raised eyebrows last week. Jags said that they specifically told their pass rushers to maintain their lanes at the expense of possible sacks in order to contain Rogers from rolling out. It was relatively successful as Rogers got less than 200 yards, but... we also lost. Our second rounder Myles Jack got almost essentially no playing time. They have to get him into game plan.

I'm playing Bortles and sitting Russell Wilson today so I'm counting on you guys!

[Newport Red]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17576262/nfl-acknowledged-missed-calls-jacksonville-jaguars-week-1-loss-green-bay-packers

Officials missed 16 calls in the game.

[JaxRed]

Yes, Jags submitted list of calls they thought were missed and NFL confirmed 16 of them.

[KronoRed]

Do they get anything other then a 'our bad'?

Also, not a good start out in San Diego.

[Sea Ray]

They can't blame the officials for their performance in SD today. Obviously the Jags still have not turned the corner.

[JaxRed]

Wow, what a gut punch. We played like crap in every facet of the game. If you didn't watch it, the game was not as close as the 38-14 score sounds. It was so bad, I'll check Twitter and ESPN a lot just to see if a firing takes place.

That's not Shad's M.O. and we have a bye in October.......but I'll still check.

[Kingspoint]

It's been like three years now that the husband has yelled up from the basement, "OK, Honey. I think I've got it fixed. Turn it on and try it!"

She yells down, "Nope. Still doesn't work. Let's get a professional."

Of course, this is being repeated in many Cities, in many sports.

[JaxRed]

I have been a voracious reader of Jags online stuff and listening to radio shows. Not this week. I will ignore them till game time. I'm that fed up.

[JaxRed]

And if things weren't bad enough...for the first time we are NOT healthy as we are missing key guys on offensive lines and backfield.

[KronoRed]

If they lose to the Colts, does the ax fall during the off week?

[Tom Servo]

Gotta fire Bradley. Doug Marrone might be able to at least get them to play respectably.

[JaxRed]

I don't think there is a person in Jax who expects Bradley to survive a loss in London followed by a bye week. Jags gave away today's game and probably should have beaten GB. So instead of 2-1 we are 0-3.

[Kingspoint]

I don't think a HC should be fired mid-season in football. So much has to come from his playbook, tone set in the off-season and in training camp. Baseball and basketball a difference can be made for that season, but not in football. Let the season play out and reevaluate everything. It's reactionary at this point, and no business should make reactionary decisions in upper-management that don't have a chance of improving and changing the culture in a defined and definite direction over the next 60 months. It just makes the workers and the customers feel like Ownership is rudderless. The decision to hire Bradley was a well-thought out one based on sound reasoning. Keep consistently making decisions based on this formula and things will work themselves out in the long-run. Don't be short-sighted.

[JaxRed]

Well I have to get up early to watch the Jags today as they are in London for a winnable game against the Colts. At this point, I don't expect a win until it happens. Jags healthy at O-Line again. Missing Julius Thomas and LB Dan Skuta. Skuta's absence forces Myles Jack into the lineup, as he had been getting no playing time. Hope he forces that Jags hand.

Sports radio thinks Gus Bradley survives a loss. If it's a blowout loss half thought he would have time to enjoy the sights in London.

[KronoRed]

I don't think a HC should be fired mid-season in football. So much has to come from his playbook, tone set in the off-season and in training camp. Baseball and basketball a difference can be made for that season, but not in football. Let the season play out and reevaluate everything. It's reactionary at this point, and no business should make reactionary decisions in upper-management that don't have a chance of improving and changing the culture in a defined and definite direction over the next 60 months. It just makes the workers and the customers feel like Ownership is rudderless. The decision to hire Bradley was a well-thought out one based on sound reasoning. Keep consistently making decisions based on this formula and things will work themselves out in the long-run. Don't be short-sighted.

Disagree, this way of thinking and nobody would ever be fired, some coaches are just not head coaches.

[dubc47834]

Disagree, this way of thinking and nobody would ever be fired, some coaches are just not head coaches.

The best teams give their coaches a chance. A losing season or 2 and they dont give up. Just look at teams like the Giants and Steelers!

[JaxRed]

Well Bradley has the worst record of any coach with 50 games, so it's not like he hasn't had a chance. But.... all those points are now moot for at least 2 weeks as the Jags finally got a win. It wasn't real pretty, and it could have gone the other way, but for once it didn't.

We can now take 2 weeks off to heal up and get ready for the Bears.

[JaxRed]

Well, the 2 weeks are up. Jags are pretty healthy. Not entirely, but who is these days? Healthy enough, that health shouldn't be a factor heading into the game. Despite the win last week, it's probably another "must win" for Bradley to keep his job after this season.

A win and now you are 2-3, have a 2 game winning streak, and are no worse than 1.5 games out of 1st place. Lose, and now you are 1-4, just lost to one of the worse teams in the league, people will look at the one win and say you came close to losing that. And that you were a play or two from being 0-5.

We get a player back from 4 game suspension. Aaron Colvin a cornerback they like.

The consensus for a win this week seems to center around how they won last time. The defense seemed to hit it's stride against the Colts, and the offense didn't turn the ball over.

[JaxRed]

Well, we won. It was ugly. The Bears outplayed us. But somehow we came away with a miracle 17-16 win on the road.

[JaxRed]

Well I didn't get a chance to post my pre-game thoughts because I was driving back from Atlanta airport after my Arizona Fall League trip. The game against Oakland was a disaster. It was supposed to be a measuring stick that showed where 2 up and coming teams stood. The problem was ....it did exactly that. The Jags were not as good as the bad score indicates. They were worse.

We play Thursday in Tennessee. If we lose it's almost a mini-bye. I think a loss could produce a Gus Bradley firing and a Doug Marrone interim gig. The players were out of control. 2 Jags got ejected for personal conduct, we had over 100 yards in penalties.

We thought we had a franchise QB in Blake Bortles, but he has regressed terribly this year. His accuracy is totally gone. Constantly throwing behind/over/low to receivers. And poor decision making. On his first interception he threw (low) into triple coverage. On his last touchdown he threw it directly at the defensive back, and our TE was able to make a tremendous catch by taking it away from him.

I am almost looking forward to a loss, hoping a change gets made. Although if by some chance we win, we will have won 3 of 4 and be in the thick of things in the division.

We know what we have in Henne as a backup QB. I wouldn't mind seeing Brandon Allen get a series or two.

[Tom Servo]

The Jags have a lot of talent but until they make some decisions on the head coach and the QB they are going to continue to struggle. You have to thank Bradley for taking over a bad situation but he's clearly not the guy to take them to the next level. Bortles showed some troubling signs last year despite some big numbers and they are carrying over once again this year. The next HC should decide if he's the guy or not.

[JaxRed]

I forgot to post about one play that seemed to symbolize what is going on in Jax (and Bortles). On one play the D Line for Oakland jumped off side for an obvious free play. Rather than take a chance and just heave the ball up to see what happens, Blake see the guy coming at him and simply decides to "take the penalty" by dumping the ball right in front of Blake.

He gets called for intentional grounding!!! Now it's offsetting penalties.

We screwed up a free play!!

[Sea Ray]

I forgot to post about one play that seemed to symbolize what is going on in Jax (and Bortles). On one play the D Line for Oakland jumped off side for an obvious free play. Rather than take a chance and just heave the ball up to see what happens, Blake see the guy coming at him and simply decides to "take the penalty" by dumping the ball right in front of Blake.

He gets called for intentional grounding!!! Now it's offsetting penalties.

We screwed up a free play!!

Interesting. I haven't seen the play but should it have been blown dead as unimpeded to the QB?

[Redsfaithful]

Carson Palmer used to do that all the time with the Bengals.

Sometimes he would literally just take a knee. What a dope.

W/regards to Jacksonville, Allen Robinson is killing me in a fantasy keeper league. I really thought he'd be a top 10 WR going forward.

[JaxRed]

Interesting. I haven't seen the play but should it have been blown dead as unimpeded to the QB?

Basically that what Blake was thinking, but when it didn't happen rather than move he dumped the ball.

[JaxRed]

Carson Palmer used to do that all the time with the Bengals.

Sometimes he would literally just take a knee. What a dope.

W/regards to Jacksonville, Allen Robinson is killing me in a fantasy keeper league. I really thought he'd be a top 10 WR going forward.

Robinson caught everything for a while. He's dropped a bunch recently.

[Kingspoint]

The biggest concern has got to be the play-calling. They aren't even trying to throw the ball deep. Robinson will win the catch point almost every time, Hurns is too physical to let the opponent intercept it, while Thomas is too big of a shield for the opponent to pick it off. They need to have Bortles crank it deep to all 3 Receivers instead of trying to come up with a running game and let these three great Receivers do what they do best. And quit giving Ivory the dang ball...better, yet, quit giving him so many snaps.

Coaching in Jacksonville has been horrible.

I need Blake to come up with a good game @ KC, Wk 9 (hoping for a miracle), because I'm benching Carr at home vs Denver. Carr might be the better play.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wow. First time I have watched the Jaguars this year. They honestly look worse than the Browns.

[KronoRed]

This is just awful.

[JaxRed]

Even though Ian Rappaport said Gus was safe even if they looked like crap tonight, I have to think Shad Khan pulls the trigger tonight/tomorrow.

[Stray]

Agree with JaxRed, I don't think there's any way Gus Bradley survives this week. This was supposed to be the Jaguar's coming out season. Instead they've flopped. If there was ever a time for an early season firing it's here. Well deserved too, cuz tbh the Jaguars SHOULD be better than they are. They have talent.

[JaxRed]

Quote after the game from Shad...

"Actions speak louder than words. Very little for me to say."


Nope - Khan just said no changes.

[KronoRed]

Step one: Fire the coach.
Step two: Burn the uniforms.

[Sea Ray]

This is reminiscent of the 90s Bengals. Stockpiling talent but still looks like crap on Sundays. Fans get optimistic only to have to start all over again time and time again.

I don't think they ought to fire coaches now even though it's deserved. The only reason to do it now would be if a playoff spot was salvageable. At this point, let the season burn to the ground and give the new coaching staff some nice draft picks to choose from

[JaxRed]

Well there's been some interesting happenings concerning our QB Blake Bortles who went from looking like a franchise QB last year to being pretty much terrible this year. Let's start with the most recent and the most legitimate, with ESPN reporting that his teammates consider him a Basket Case, and one reporter quoting an offensive player "that is not used to losing" that they don't have the right QB. BTW, there's only 2 players on offense that are not used to losing, that's TE Julius Thomas and LG Kevin Beachum.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17912160


On the Jags message board there was a post last Monday from a poster who said that he held off a long time on posting what he was going to say, because of the nature of it, but that he felt the info was good because 2 different sources had told him the same thing independently. And the info was that Blake Bortles essentially goes out every night clubbing and gets pretty drunk. 90% of the responses were the usual attack on anonymous sources (from an anonymous poster), but there were also a couple from people that said they'd heard the same thing but didn't want to post about it because they didn't really know.

So just when you thought things couldn't get any worse in the circus........

[RedTeamGo!]

Well there's been some interesting happenings concerning our QB Blake Bortles who went from looking like a franchise QB last year to being pretty much terrible this year. Let's start with the most recent and the most legitimate, with ESPN reporting that his teammates consider him a Basket Case, and one reporter quoting an offensive player "that is not used to losing" that they don't have the right QB. BTW, there's only 2 players on offense that are not used to losing, that's TE Julius Thomas and LG Kevin Beachum.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17912160


On the Jags message board there was a post last Monday from a poster who said that he held off a long time on posting what he was going to say, because of the nature of it, but that he felt the info was good because 2 different sources had told him the same thing independently. And the info was that Blake Bortles essentially goes out every night clubbing and gets pretty drunk. 90% of the responses were the usual attack on anonymous sources (from an anonymous poster), but there were also a couple from people that said they'd heard the same thing but didn't want to post about it because they didn't really know.

So just when you thought things couldn't get any worse in the circus........

DeShaun Watson....come on dowwwnnn

[Tom Servo]

OC Greg Olson gets the axe. Doubt it helps much, but to be fair I thought the same when the Bills fired Greg Roman and it actually did help quite a bit. But Bortles is the big issue, and shuffling OCs probably won't make Bradley any better either.

[JaxRed]

Interesting on many levels. The new OC is Nate Hackett who was the QB Coach. When Qb is a big part of problem. Also Hackett was the OC at Buffalo under Doug Marrone who is the OL Coach for the Jags. A local reporter said this move came from above Gus's level so either GM Dave Caldwell or owner Shad Khan.

[Kingspoint]

Interesting on many levels. The new OC is Nate Hackett who was the QB Coach. When Qb is a big part of problem. Also Hackett was the OC at Buffalo under Doug Marrone who is the OL Coach for the Jags. A local reporter said this move came from above Gus's level so either GM Dave Caldwell or owner Shad Khan.

They've entered the realm of replacing most of the staff, including Hackett, but this gives them a chance to see if Hackett has potential before letting him go. Don't like mid-season changes, but this is one that can't make anything worse, while letting them be more confident when they decide to let Hackett go, too. Reports, regardless of the source, about players clubbing are right 98% of the time. This explains the regression, the reason Hackett hasn't gotten Bortles to improve his mechanics, and the bone-headed decision-making on the field. Had he fallen to #8, the Vikings still would have taken Mack as Zimmer would not put up with this crap. The team is rampant with disciplinary issues, as bad as the Bengals. Bradley has as much control over his players as Marvin Lewis, whose team is getting away from him now that no-nonsense Coaches Jackson and Zimmer are gone. Bengals and Jags both need new Head Coaches who can squash all non-professionalism by the immature players.

[Sea Ray]

Interesting on many levels. The new OC is Nate Hackett who was the QB Coach. When Qb is a big part of problem. Also Hackett was the OC at Buffalo under Doug Marrone who is the OL Coach for the Jags. A local reporter said this move came from above Gus's level so either GM Dave Caldwell or owner Shad Khan.

Sounds like they're just juggling the deck chairs on the Titanic

[Razor Shines]

Sounds like they're just juggling the deck chairs on the Titanic

How big are the chairs? Might be a show worth going down with the ship.

[JaxRed]

I didn't get a chance to post before the Chiefs game. I would have told you that I expected a loss. I was almost kinda hoping for a loss, just to help get the Bradley era over. I was watching to see if the new offensive coordinator would make any difference.

Well the Jags lost 19-14. But it was strange. The Jags were certainly the best team on the field that day. (in fairness Chiefs were really injured). We had over 200 yards more total offense.

But the Jags turned the ball over 4 times ( 1 interception and 3 fumbles). One was super-critical as Chris Ivory fumbled into the end zone as he crossed the goal line (it looked like a bad call).

So most around here didn't change their tune any, but I am curious to see if maybe they righted the ship. They play first place Texas at home. Jags are in last place but Colts and Titans only have one less loss. Texans have 3 less losses but have 2 games with Jags. So if they went on a win streak they could do some damage. But schedule is tough from here on out.

Interesting game coming up.

[JaxRed]

Living in Jax, there seems to be this feeling that they're going to take a big leap forward this year. I don't see it. As long as Gus Bradley is the coach, they will continue to lose big every year. I predict 6-10 at best.

BTW, I'd like to acknowledge the brilliance of MWN. He called this debacle. We're now in the "what new coach will come here", "Do we need a new QB", "what draft pick will we get?" stage of the year.

[Kingspoint]

The Defense of the Jags has been respectable. The Offense has been atrocious.

[KronoRed]

So Bradley is definitely gone, where do the Jags go now? back to Coughlin or another first time defensive guy?

[Tom Servo]

The Gus Bradley era is officially over.

[JaxRed]

Yep. Should have been done probably 5 or 6 games ago. Every single game it's the same thing. Collapse at end to just barely lose. Today so typical. 20-8 lead in 4th quarter and total inability of offense to score or even eat up the clock.

And after watching the other team pull an ineffective QB and win the game, he said in post game press conference that Blake was still the starter.

Based on Khan's statement, the GM looks safe. The current GM is charged with finding the next coach and Khan called the roster talented. They did not name an interim yet, when everyone assumed it would be Assistant Head Coach (former Bills Coach) Doug Marrone.

That leads me to suspect they will name Tom Coughlin as Interim coach to evaluate things, and at some point become President of Football Operations.

[Sea Ray]

Just like with the LA Rams, "why now"? This so reminds me of the 90s Bengals. Makes you wonder if the front office has any idea what it's doing.

[KronoRed]

Love this part of the statement

"I thought it would be best to do it immediately after today’s result so Gus can step away, relax and regroup with his family during the Christmas and holiday season."

Merry Christmas

[kaldaniels]

Yep. Should have been done probably 5 or 6 games ago. Every single game it's the same thing. Collapse at end to just barely lose. Today so typical. 20-8 lead in 4th quarter and total inability of offense to score or even eat up the clock.

And after watching the other team pull an ineffective QB and win the game, he said in post game press conference that Blake was still the starter.

Based on Khan's statement, the GM looks safe. The current GM is charged with finding the next coach and Khan called the roster talented. They did not name an interim yet, when everyone assumed it would be Assistant Head Coach (former Bills Coach) Doug Marrone.

That leads me to suspect they will name Tom Coughlin as Interim coach to evaluate things, and at some point become President of Football Operations.

http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/20333/gus-bradley-sticking-with-blake-bortles-one-of-things-that-cost-him-his-job

What's up with the blurb in the article that Bortles didn't work as hard on his mechanics etc this last off season as opposed to the one before that? Poor work ethic?

I mean that remark could be much ado about nothing but it's in there.

[JaxRed]

It's well known around here that Blake spent a lot of time in 2014 off-season in California working on mechanics, and that in 2015 off-season it was just 4 or 5 days here in Jax.

[JaxRed]

Just like with the LA Rams, "why now"? This so reminds me of the 90s Bengals. Makes you wonder if the front office has any idea what it's doing.

Well I disagree on several levels. There is reporter speculation that the Rams firing allowed them to start putting out "feelers" with various candidates, and Jax didn't want to get too far behind the power curve. You'd hate to miss out on the right guy because LA locked him up first.

Secondly, I expect and hope that these last 2 weeks are used to evaluate players. For example Brandon Allen our rookie QB. He might be terrible. He might be good. Or somewhere in between, but we have no clue since he has been inactive all year.

Give Blake Bortles a mental break. Let's see what Allen can do.

[IslandRed]

Just like with the LA Rams, "why now"?

When the coach is fired with two games to go in the season, it's not about expecting anything to change on the field in the last two games. I'm not sure we can even say it's about getting a jump on hiring the next coach -- it's hardly news that Bradley was going to be gone, the potential candidates are working somewhere else at the moment and can't officially be contacted yet, and unofficial contact is what agents are for.

So why? I don't know what they gain, exactly. Maybe it's just a head start on blowing away the black cloud hanging over the organization. But I can't say there's any downside to it, either. There's a saying that what must be done eventually should probably be done immediately. There's a caveat to that...


Yep. Should have been done probably 5 or 6 games ago.

The problem with that is, if Khan is looking for a fresh start or clean break or however you want to phrase it, then he doesn't want to give the interim coach time to complicate things by accidentally winning a few games. So it was probably smart to hold his fire.

[Sea Ray]

Well I disagree on several levels. There is reporter speculation that the Rams firing allowed them to start putting out "feelers" with various candidates, and Jax didn't want to get too far behind the power curve. You'd hate to miss out on the right guy because LA locked him up first.

Secondly, I expect and hope that these last 2 weeks are used to evaluate players. For example Brandon Allen our rookie QB. He might be terrible. He might be good. Or somewhere in between, but we have no clue since he has been inactive all year.

Give Blake Bortles a mental break. Let's see what Allen can do.

My point is that Gus Bradley should have been fired 8 games ago when Jacksonville still had something to play for. That would have given Jax a 2 mo head start on the HC search.

If you still disagree, explain why they shouldn't have fired Gus sooner.

Good luck on that new hip...

[kaldaniels]

My point is that Gus Bradley should have been fired 8 games ago when Jacksonville still had something to play for. That would have given Jax a 2 mo head start on the HC search.

If you still disagree, explain why they shouldn't have fired Gus sooner.

Good luck on that new hip...

So fire him after the loss to Oakland and they are sitting there at 2-4. What happens then? Are you thinking their new coach would have signed on right away? Are you thinking a search committee would have gotten started? I'm sure for several weeks they have known Bradley is done...they have been identifying replacement targets no doubt. I imagine you can cast a wider net around this time of year...not too many guys will jump over after 6 weeks in the season.

I'd argue in hindsight Bradley should have been gone before this year or last. But once this year got cranked up no sense canning him 6 weeks in.

[Sea Ray]

So fire him after the loss to Oakland and they are sitting there at 2-4. What happens then? Are you thinking their new coach would have signed on right away? Are you thinking a search committee would have gotten started? I'm sure for several weeks they have known Bradley is done...they have been identifying replacement targets no doubt. I imagine you can cast a wider net around this time of year...not too many guys will jump over after 6 weeks in the season.

I'd argue in hindsight Bradley should have been gone before this year or last. But once this year got cranked up no sense canning him 6 weeks in.

You'd hire an interim coach just like they're doing now. At least then the interim coach still has something to play for

[Tom Servo]

The rumor before Bradley got canned was that Mike Smith might have the job locked up given his ties to both the GM and Jacksonville.

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I'd argue in hindsight Bradley should have been gone before this year or last. But once this year got cranked up no sense canning him 6 weeks in.
They might have been able to save Bortles from going full Rick Mirer.

[MWM]

Should have been done 2 years ago. It was obvious from watching them on a weekly basis that they were a poorly coached team.

[JaxRed]

I was disappointed to hear there are no plans to sit Blake for a game.

[JaxRed]

My point is that Gus Bradley should have been fired 8 games ago when Jacksonville still had something to play for. That would have given Jax a 2 mo head start on the HC search.

If you still disagree, explain why they shouldn't have fired Gus sooner.

Good luck on that new hip...

I agree with you. I'd have let Bradley go way earlier in the season. Probably after our Tennessee Thursday night game. At that point we were 2-5, lost 2 in row, had been humiliated on national tv (down 27-0 at the half).

But, just like Sea Ray said, if you want to clean house don't give Doug Marrone a chance to make an argument. And Jags looked so good in his one game, now the argument is if Jags look good against Colts, maybe the answer was here all along. The Jags turned around 180 degrees. Titans came in as big favorites ( one message board I saw had every single person pick the Titans), they were playing best ball of anyone in division, had all the momentum, and got handled easily by Jags.

So, I'll be very interested in Colts game. I now expect a nice Jags win.

Coughlin did some interviewing this week, BTW.

[JaxRed]

Reports are out that the Jags and Coughlin did not find common ground and have agreed to see other people. I interpret that as "Jags wanted him as Non-coach and he was interested in job as coach"

[KronoRed]

If they stick with Marrone aren't they just saying "don't pay attention to use for 3 years until we fire this guy"?

[JaxRed]

That was my opinion until I saw the game against the Titans. They were like a completely different team. If Jags handle Colts easily, I think I'm aboard the Marrone train. But.... that will be my first post in the 2017 Jags thread !!

[IslandRed]

Just be careful you know the difference between "because of the new coach" and "because the black cloud following the old coach is gone." That second one wears off quick.

[Tom Servo]

A team could do worse than Marrone but could also do better. But this being Jacksonsville, the latter is questionable.

[KronoRed]

Just be careful you know the difference between "because of the new coach" and "because the black cloud following the old coach is gone." That second one wears off quick.

The Dead cat bounce.

[JaxRed]

The Dead cat bounce.

Yeah.... that's not really a thing.

Well, the Jags started out exactly like I expected and were leading 17-0 in first half, and then it was like Gus Bradley came in to coach again. The offense never scored again (they got 3 points when special teams blocked a punt. Offense kicked field goal without picking up a first down).


They found little ways to self-destruct every drive. So whatever happens to this crew I'm ok. On to 2017.