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androosh
04-19-2016, 02:03 PM
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UPRedsFan
04-19-2016, 02:35 PM
Well he's got a good outfield defense behind him.

membengal
04-19-2016, 02:36 PM
Line-up thing that is irrationally annoying me 2016 version (irrational because I know batting order doesn't really impact expected runs) is Phillips in clean-up. Still. Just, yuck.

lollipopcurve
04-19-2016, 03:10 PM
Going to enjoy seeing Stephenson face CarGo and Arenado.

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 03:11 PM
Going to enjoy seeing Stephenson face CarGo and Arenado.
I hope he cuts it loose and doesn't try holding back for command. Just let your still be electric, RobSteve.

Chip R
04-19-2016, 03:38 PM
Going to enjoy seeing Stephenson face CarGo and Arenado.

I don't envy anyone facing those two.

androosh
04-19-2016, 03:47 PM
Updated the lineup - they flipped Bruce and Mesoraco.

NebraskaRed
04-19-2016, 03:52 PM
Updated the lineup - they flipped Bruce as Mesoraco.

Not sure you could get away with Bruce as Mesoraco. They look nothing alike.

androosh
04-19-2016, 03:53 PM
Not sure you could get away with Bruce as Mesoraco. They look nothing alike.Heh, whoops! That's what I get for multi-tasking. Fixed it :D

Chip R
04-19-2016, 04:00 PM
Heh, whoops! That's what I get for multi-tasking. Fixed it :D

Were you the guy in the Red Roof commercial?

Puffy
04-19-2016, 04:11 PM
I might have to watch at least part of this game tonight. However, unlike Raisor, I will be wearing pants.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 05:12 PM
Updated the lineup - they flipped Bruce and Mesoraco.


I don't no how well Bruce hits vs De La Rosa but I'd be tempted to hit him ahead of both Phillips and Mesoraco.

malcontent
04-19-2016, 05:24 PM
Holt instead of Duvall? Whenever I see this sort of thing I think that a relatively weak lineup just got a little weaker, thanks to the manager.

RedsBrick
04-19-2016, 05:50 PM
Not just any team will have their entire outfield occupying 3 of the last 4 spots in the order...with 9th being one of them.

RedTeamGo!
04-19-2016, 05:52 PM
It's really not that weak of a lineup, though. Hamilton is awful, for sure, but I think 1-6 is formidable. That is, of course, if Votto and Rocco pick it up.

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:13 PM
RobSteve throwing the 94-95 mph heat to start the game.

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:14 PM
Impressive K of Story.

RedsfaninMT
04-19-2016, 07:15 PM
Only watching on Gamecast, but if 96 to 82 is right, that's a tough differential in speed to bat against.

Red Raindog
04-19-2016, 07:17 PM
very nice looking first inning -- he seems comfortable

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 07:17 PM
one,two, three for Stephenson in the 1st

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:17 PM
1-2-3 1st inning for Stephenson. 13 pitches.

mth123
04-19-2016, 07:18 PM
Bravo for inning 1.

Red Raindog
04-19-2016, 07:25 PM
3 Reds K in 1st

Donder
04-19-2016, 07:26 PM
Marty said De La Rosa is the all-time Rockies leader in wins. Never would have guessed that. Then again, who else could it possibly be?


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Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:27 PM
Well that isn't an encouraging start for the offense.

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Marty said De La Rosa is the all-time Rockies leader in wins. Never would have guessed that. Then again, who else could it possibly be?


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I would have guessed Pedro Astacio or Jason Jennings.

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:31 PM
RobSteve down 3-0 in the count, throws a 92 mph over the middle for a strike, and then gets Parra to pop up on the next pitch. Good job to avoid his bugaboo.

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:35 PM
Two out double, balk (got his foot caught), and a single to right center. 1-0 Rox.

Walk to 8 hitter Wolter. Not ideal. Inning needs to end here.

Pitching coach visit serves Stephenson well, gets the groundout to end the inning.

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2016, 07:38 PM
Stephenson's stuff is great tonight but he can't locate his fastball to save his life

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 07:42 PM
Base hit Phillips!!!

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 07:43 PM
Hit and run works!!!

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:43 PM
Mesoraco single up the middle with with BP running, 1st and 3rd with no outs

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:46 PM
Tie game on an RBI fielder's choice by Bruce.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 07:46 PM
Bruce grounds out to the right side Phillips score.. Tie Game

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:47 PM
Tyler Holt is using John Cena's theme as his walkup music apparently.

androosh
04-19-2016, 07:48 PM
Tyler Holt is using John Cena's theme as his walkup music apparently.Must have worked. The pitcher couldn't see him and threw it right into him.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 07:49 PM
Holt HBP

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 07:49 PM
De La Rosa looks like he's ready to melt down.

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:50 PM
oooooooo those runnin Reds

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 07:51 PM
oooooooo those runnin Reds

Did you notice Bruce didn't slide?

mth123
04-19-2016, 07:52 PM
Woo Hoo

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 07:53 PM
Double Steal.. Bruce to third, Holt to second, BobSteve K's double Billy Hamilton 3-1 Reds!

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:53 PM
Billy drives in two with a ridiculous little double! 3-1 Redlegs.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 07:53 PM
BHam with the double off the wall! (or a can of corn over 3rd)

androosh
04-19-2016, 07:53 PM
Billy Hamilton will save us all!

'69
04-19-2016, 07:54 PM
That'll work Billy...

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 07:54 PM
If BHam was ever going to try to steal home, now is the time.

Kc61
04-19-2016, 07:54 PM
Billy drives in two with a ridiculous little double! 3-1 Redlegs.

Guessing Hamilton has been working on that high chopper in the infield. Either it goes over the fielders, or Hamilton could beat it out.

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 07:54 PM
Billy drives in two with a ridiculous little double! 3-1 Redlegs.

speed + luck > good

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:54 PM
So uh, how exactly has de la Rosa been pitching for the better part of a decade without ever holding runners on?

Gainesville Red
04-19-2016, 07:55 PM
I don't want to tell Jeff his business but I'm skeptical that a giraffe could have caught the ball Hamilton hit past third.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 07:56 PM
So uh, how exactly has de la Rosa been pitching for the better part of a decade without ever holding runners on?

Jon Lester does it.

Of course Lester is 10x the pitcher De La Rosa is.

Kc61
04-19-2016, 07:56 PM
I would have Hamilton steal home.

Lefty pitching, facing away from him.

What the heck, rebuilding.

'69
04-19-2016, 07:57 PM
Cozart battlin'


For some reason, Thom is much more bearable with Cowboy

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 07:58 PM
Base hit Cozart 4-1 Reds

Chuckie
04-19-2016, 07:58 PM
One of the best ABs you'll ever see. Way to go Cozy.

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 07:58 PM
Cozart is elite! 4-1 Redlegs

KittyDuran
04-19-2016, 07:58 PM
Hmm... Should I kick people out of my seats or just let it go? [emoji78]

RedsfaninMT
04-19-2016, 07:59 PM
Kick away

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 07:59 PM
"Great AB by Cozart."

(what are four words I never thought I'd write in a sentence?)

RedsBrick
04-19-2016, 07:59 PM
Wow! Great AB, Cozart.

KittyDuran
04-19-2016, 08:00 PM
Kick away

Could be child abuse... Younguns

Gainesville Red
04-19-2016, 08:01 PM
Hmm... Should I kick people out of my seats or just let it go? [emoji78]

Are there similar seats available? Let it go.

Red Raindog
04-19-2016, 08:01 PM
Could be child abuse... Younguns

call it tough love

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 08:01 PM
Base Hit Suarez first and third

KittyDuran
04-19-2016, 08:01 PM
Hit parade continues

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 08:02 PM
5 stolen bases this inning

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 08:03 PM
Come On Joey!!!

villain612
04-19-2016, 08:04 PM
Line-up thing that is irrationally annoying me 2016 version (irrational because I know batting order doesn't really impact expected runs) is Phillips in clean-up. Still. Just, yuck.

I just pretend it doesn't exist. Kind of like Rocky 5.

KittyDuran
04-19-2016, 08:05 PM
Are there similar seats available? Let it go.

Kinda... The seats (I bought 3) are on the edge of and top of the ballpark with great views and no one bothers you.

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 08:05 PM
get it together Joseph

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2016, 08:05 PM
Votto continues to swing at pitches out of the strike zone.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 08:06 PM
Joey goes down swingin

KittyDuran
04-19-2016, 08:08 PM
5 stolen bases this inning

Free go cart rides! [emoji594]

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 08:08 PM
Long half inning.. hope it doesn't effect Stephenson..

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2016, 08:08 PM
Nasty breaking ball.

Big Klu
04-19-2016, 08:08 PM
I just pretend it doesn't exist. Kind of like Rocky 5.

What is this "Rocky 5" of which you speak?

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 08:09 PM
Billy: .652 OPS

Votto: .607 OPS

Welcome to April baseball

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2016, 08:10 PM
Stephenson finally hit his target with his fastball and the ump squeezed him.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 08:11 PM
Watching Stephenson I'm seeing it. Not perfected yet but I'm definitely seeing his Ace ability. Give it another year or so and he'll be heading the staff.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 08:12 PM
Watching Stephenson I'm seeing it. Not perfected yet but I'm definitely seeing his Ace ability. Give it another year or so and he'll be heading the staff.

Really? A year?

I don't see it. At all.

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 08:13 PM
What is this "Rocky 5" of which you speak?

A movie with an awesome end credits montage that mostly features other films in the series :-)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYLbASoecyc

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2016, 08:13 PM
It's not hard to see why Stephenson has ace potential. He looks much better in this start. His breaking ball and split change-up are nasty, and he's got great velocity. Fastball command is key.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 08:15 PM
Really? A year?

I don't see it. At all.

OK

But yes, a year is about how long it takes basically any pitcher to adjust to the major leagues. There are exceptions but I don't expect Stephenson to be one.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 08:18 PM
It's not hard to see why Stephenson has ace potential. He looks much better in this start. His breaking ball and split change-up are nasty, and he's got great velocity. Fastball command is key.

This Kid Can pitch a little bit..

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 08:19 PM
OK

But yes, a year is about how long it takes basically any pitcher to adjust to the major leagues. There are exceptions but I don't expect Stephenson to be one.

I'd like to see him be able to dominate minor leaguers again before I get my hopes up. And he's topping out at 93? Meh.

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2016, 08:27 PM
My wife thinks Tyler Holt looks like Cozart's brother-from-another-mother. I can see "some" resemblance...anybody else see it?

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2016, 08:28 PM
I'd like to see him be able to dominate minor leaguers again before I get my hopes up. And he's topping out at 93? Meh.

Hit 96 in the first inning according to gameday.

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 08:31 PM
I'd like to see him be able to dominate minor leaguers again before I get my hopes up. And he's topping out at 93? Meh.
6 innings, 1 run, 7 strikeouts in his first start in Louisville this year. And no, he's not topping out at 93.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 08:32 PM
I'd like to see him be able to dominate minor leaguers again before I get my hopes up. And he's topping out at 93? Meh.

He's hitting 95 and 96 mph now

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2016, 08:33 PM
Filthy pitch.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 08:33 PM
Hit 96 in the first inning according to gameday.

He just hit 95 according to fox. And 96.

He does look better tonight than he did against the Phils. A lot better. Guaranteed ace though? And in a year? Let's pump those brakes a little bit.

membengal
04-19-2016, 08:34 PM
This feels like this might not be hurting Stephenson's development...


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_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2016, 08:35 PM
He just hit 95 according to fox. And 96.

He does look better tonight than he did against the Phils. A lot better. Guaranteed ace though? And in a year? Let's pump those brakes a little bit.

No, you're right. I agree completely. I've yet to see him really dominate in the minors. Doug and others have pointed to some really good seasons, but color me unimpressed with his minor league numbers thus far. Tonight, however, he looks very good.

membengal
04-19-2016, 08:35 PM
Also, he's def not topping out at 93, try again.


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Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 08:36 PM
6 innings, 1 run, 7 strikeouts in his first start in Louisville this year. And no, he's not topping out at 93.

That's great. Small sample sizes are cool when they fit a narrative.

Again, pump the brakes. This guy has struggled pretty greatly against minor leaguers for 2+ years.

Kc61
04-19-2016, 08:36 PM
Other than avoiding Super Two arbitration possibility, I can't think of a good reason why Stephenson can't develop as a major leaguer this season.

The Reds are not contenders, they can keep his pitches down, they can give him extra rest, the pressure isn't that great.

They will probably send him down again, but I'm not completely sure just why.

757690
04-19-2016, 08:36 PM
Stephenson looking very comfortable. Very encouraging.

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 08:37 PM
Guaranteed ace though? And in a year? Let's pump those brakes a little bit.

Somewhere, Brandon Claussen is convinced his ears are burning.

(They're not.)

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 08:37 PM
I'd like to see another Baltimore chop from billy

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 08:38 PM
That's great. Small sample sizes are cool when they fit a narrative.

Again, pump the brakes. This guy has struggled pretty greatly against minor leaguers for 2+ years.
I didn't say he was a guaranteed ace, I'm just providing some facts against your "he's bad" sentiment.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 08:38 PM
No, you're right. I agree completely. I've yet to see him really dominate in the minors. Doug and others have pointed to some really good seasons, but color me unimpressed with his minor league numbers thus far. Tonight, however, he looks very good.

He definitely does. That last inning was pretty impressive.

757690
04-19-2016, 08:38 PM
Other than avoiding Super Two arbitration possibility, I can't think of a good reason why Stephenson can't develop as a major leaguer this season.

The Reds are not contenders, they can keep his pitches down, they can give him extra rest, the pressure isn't that great.

They will probably send him down again, but I'm not completely sure just why.

The Reds are a MLB organization. They know what's best for him. Why would you or anyone question their judgement on how to handle a pitching prospect ;)

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2016, 08:39 PM
Other than avoiding Super Two arbitration possibility, I can't think of a good reason why Stephenson can't develop as a major leaguer this season.

The Reds are not contenders, they can keep his pitches down, they can give him extra rest, the pressure isn't that great.

They will probably send him down again, but I'm not completely sure just why.

#1 reason in my book is confidence. I really would like to see him mow down AAA hitters for a while.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 08:42 PM
I didn't say he was a guaranteed ace, I'm just providing some facts against your "he's bad" sentiment.

No you didn't. Someone else did. I don't think he'll be bad, but from what I've seen the hype doesn't match the stuff.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 08:43 PM
No, you're right. I agree completely. I've yet to see him really dominate in the minors. Doug and others have pointed to some really good seasons, but color me unimpressed with his minor league numbers thus far. Tonight, however, he looks very good.

Consider that if he's dominating a minor league level, then his potential is being wasted. Better he produce an average season in the majors than dominate AAA, don't you think?

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 08:45 PM
I didn't say he was a guaranteed ace, I'm just providing some facts against your "he's bad" sentiment.

I said I saw the Ace potential, and that if you give him a year he'll likely reach it.

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2016, 08:45 PM
Consider that if he's dominating a minor league level, then his potential is being wasted. Better he produce an average season in the majors than dominate AAA, don't you think?

In a perfect world...sure. But I remember Homer Bailey happening much too recently. The problem is that he could also prove to be VERY overmatched once clubs see him more than once.

Kc61
04-19-2016, 08:46 PM
#1 reason in my book is confidence. I really would like to see him mow down AAA hitters for a while.

That's fair. And Super Two is a money issue, I get that.

But the Reds are not in a pressure situation this year, they would have flexibility to nurse him along in the bigs.

We all know whenever Stephenson comes up he will need MLB break in time. The minors don't prevent that.

Whatever, I do trust the Reds' judgment on this, just isn't obvious to me that it helps very much to send him out.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 08:47 PM
Even if Stephenson is hitting 93 with his fastball, his breaking pitch is between 79 and 80. That's a HUGE disparity. If he's going 96 and then 79, fuhgeddaboutit.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 08:49 PM
In a perfect world...sure. But I remember Homer Bailey happening much too recently. The problem is that he could also prove to be VERY overmatched once clubs see him more than once.

And that would be the first time it's ever happened in baseball and no pitcher ever recovered from the league adjusting to him? Even Greg Maddux went 8-18 with an ERA above 5.50 his first two seasons.

I'm just saying I'm seeing the potential is all.

_Sir_Charles_
04-19-2016, 08:57 PM
And that would be the first time it's ever happened in baseball and no pitcher ever recovered from the league adjusting to him? Even Greg Maddux went 8-18 with an ERA above 5.50 his first two seasons.

I'm just saying I'm seeing the potential is all.

I see the potential as well. But thus far he hasn't experienced any lengthy sustained success. Using Maddux as your example...10-1 with a 3.02 era in AAA before call up. With a kid as young as Robert is, getting your head bashed in at the Major League level combined without that dominant time in the minors can quickly become an avalanche in his head as far as eroding his confidence. I can see both sides of the argument and I certainly would understand it if the Reds decided to send him back down.

Stray
04-19-2016, 08:57 PM
Kinda weird that Votto still doesn't really look like Votto.

BluegrassRedleg
04-19-2016, 08:58 PM
Mark Reynolds couldn't do that again in 100 tries if he had to.

Stray
04-19-2016, 08:59 PM
can't imagine committing to a full splits and then realizing you can't quite do it feels that good

Red Raindog
04-19-2016, 09:03 PM
can't imagine committing to a full splits and then realizing you can't quite do it feels that good

I can't count how many pulled groin muscles I've had -- but I felt a twinge on that stretch

membengal
04-19-2016, 09:05 PM
That's a nasty breaking ball.


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Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 09:06 PM
I'd say that's been 6 strong innings

Chip R
04-19-2016, 09:07 PM
I'd love to see Stephenson when he's ready, mature and not being yo-yoed.

Stray
04-19-2016, 09:07 PM
Mighty impressive 6 innings against their lineup.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 09:08 PM
That looked like classic Votto, even if he did get out. Hopefully there's more of that to come.

RedsBrick
04-19-2016, 09:08 PM
Hoping he's out there for the 7th.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 09:12 PM
Just call him Stretch Reynolds from now on.

That hurt from 2000 miles away.

kaldaniels
04-19-2016, 09:13 PM
Nm

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 09:17 PM
Take your time Robert.. Stay focused..

Redalert
04-19-2016, 09:19 PM
Is Votto slugging less than billy yet?

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2016, 09:20 PM
0-2 count on free swinging Reynolds and he nibbled around and walked him.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 09:20 PM
No reason for him not to start the 7th inning.

Raisor
04-19-2016, 09:21 PM
We have a junk head siting!

Welcome back!

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 09:21 PM
It would be a fine time to turn two...

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 09:22 PM
DatDude has a single, double, triple so far this game.

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OK just figured out my stream was about an inning behind.

membengal
04-19-2016, 09:23 PM
Good lord he has a nasty breaking ball.


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Raisor
04-19-2016, 09:23 PM
DatDude has a single, double, triple so far this game.

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OK just figured out my stream was about an inning behind.


That's what you get for getting the updates from the Giants announcers

Redalert
04-19-2016, 09:23 PM
What was stephensons avg velocity tonight?

Can't watch where we are

meigsred
04-19-2016, 09:23 PM
Seven innings from the future!

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Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 09:24 PM
The Kid Is Lookin Good!!!

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 09:24 PM
Bullpen or whatever :clap:

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 09:24 PM
Really nice job, kid. We apologize in advance for our bullpen.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 09:24 PM
Good lord he has a nasty breaking ball.


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Apparently he sucks and is only going to be, at best, a major league pitcher if only the Reds stop screwing with his head and allow him to dominate AAA for several months instead of getting his brains beat in in the majors. Or something.

Red Raindog
04-19-2016, 09:25 PM
What was stephensons avg velocity tonight?

Can't watch where we are

fb 92 95 with a few 96

breaking ball 79-82

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 09:25 PM
That's what you get for getting the updates from the Giants announcers

I'll take anything over Thom and Cowboy (or Chris).

JKam
04-19-2016, 09:27 PM
Really nice job, kid. We apologize in advance for our bullpen.


Sad but true. At least it isn't Diaz or Ohlendorf warming up. Cingrani and Cotham are two of the better from the drek.

kbrake
04-19-2016, 09:29 PM
Devastated by all the yo yo action.

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 09:29 PM
Sad but true. At least it isn't Diaz or Ohlendorf warming up. Cingrani and Cotham are two of the better from the drek.

I trust Stephenson is currently coming up with an elaborate plan that involves Hoover being locked in a bathroom.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:29 PM
Excellent start. Very encouraging.

UPRedsFan
04-19-2016, 09:30 PM
is Price calling pitches from the dugout? Looks like it.

Stray
04-19-2016, 09:31 PM
Kinda expected a slow start for Cozart this year but man he's looked good.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:32 PM
Votto has sunk below the Mendoza line.

Don't get it at all. He was smokin all spring.

Red Raindog
04-19-2016, 09:33 PM
Mendoza Votto flies out - now under .200

That should fix him /reverse jinx attempt

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 09:33 PM
I wish I could stop worrying about 3 run leads not being enough..

PXShaman
04-19-2016, 09:33 PM
is Price calling pitches from the dugout? Looks like it.

He is calling what that batter is bad against. If the catcher can't remember, or if it doesn't work he checks Price.
He has been doing it a lot this year, I think he is finally putting on his Pitching Coach pants. He is going above and beyond this year.

Raisor
04-19-2016, 09:34 PM
Here comes the bullpen

Hold onto your butts

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 09:34 PM
Votto has sunk below the Mendoza line.

Don't get it at all. He was smokin all spring.


Bullpen or whatever.

Stray
04-19-2016, 09:34 PM
Votto is the least worrisome slow start ever. I still expect him to hit .315+ with a bajillion walks or whatever. He'll get it dialed back in soon.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:36 PM
Have no fear. Aroldis Cotham is here.

Cannon
04-19-2016, 09:36 PM
Trade Votto.

Also at least the Cotham Knight is untouchable.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:37 PM
Votto is the least worrisome slow start ever. I still expect him to hit .315+ with a bajillion walks or whatever. He'll get it dialed back in soon.

Yeah it's just weird though considering his spring. He picked up right where he left off post all star break last year.

PXShaman
04-19-2016, 09:38 PM
I just wana say, since my stream died and I can't watch the horror that is about to happen.

We were so spoiled 2010 through 2015, 7 IP was the norm for them, and not having a QS was considered a failure.

A QS is now considered an excellent start, and one of the better starts for our pitching staff. Man we will be so good the next 4 years.

EDIT:
7 IP 1 ER is the best outcome this team can hope from starter, means only 2 innings for this Bullpen to mess up :P

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 09:41 PM
Please add some more runs to the lead..

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:41 PM
One run please.

One run = No Hoov

Stray
04-19-2016, 09:43 PM
heck of a game BP

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 09:43 PM
One run please.

One run = No Hoov

Price needs to manage this like it's the 9th inning of the 7th game of the World Series.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 09:44 PM
I still miss Eric Davis.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:44 PM
I was at that E.D. cycle game.

$5 top 5 seats baby! Couldn't see the field with a telescope

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:47 PM
Price needs to manage this like it's the 9th inning of the 7th game of the World Series.

Yeah. The pen blows this and it would be beyond devastating.

Although blowing this came tonight could help facilitate bullpen change quicker than it otherwise would.

Always gotta try and find a bright side.

Chip R
04-19-2016, 09:49 PM
Cingrani warming up.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 09:49 PM
I was at that E.D. cycle game.

$5 top 5 seats baby! Couldn't see the field with a telescope

I was top 5 for Pete's 4192. You were there and that's all that matters.

JKam
04-19-2016, 09:52 PM
Hey, no Hoover. That's an improvement.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 09:52 PM
I remember when top six tickets at Riverfront cost 3 bucks..

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 09:53 PM
Up to this point, the light at the end of the bullpen has been the lamp of an oncoming vacuum.

Hoping this is the beginning of a better chapter.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:54 PM
I was top 5 for Pete's 4192. You were there and that's all that matters.

My parents were there. I was in 6th grade and it was a school night so I wasn't allowed to go (or at least that was the excuse)

Watched it on local tv with my sister and her boyfriend. Blah.

- - - Updated - - -

Tony C. eh?

Interesting

PXShaman
04-19-2016, 09:54 PM
Yeah. The pen blows this and it would be beyond devastating.

Although blowing this came tonight could help facilitate bullpen change quicker than it otherwise would.

Always gotta try and find a bright side.

I have secretly wished for that since the Cubs. But I gotta root for them.

WrongVerb
04-19-2016, 09:54 PM
Reds doing what I thought they should have done 2 years ago with Cingrani. Ah, well, hopefully it works.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:54 PM
Oh Bryan. Why?

Red Raindog
04-19-2016, 09:55 PM
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Fil3232
04-19-2016, 09:55 PM
This is where Price really out thinks himself.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 09:55 PM
I wanted to see Tony C get his first save..

Tom Servo
04-19-2016, 09:55 PM
Oh god no what is Price doing? Leave Cingrani in.

JKam
04-19-2016, 09:55 PM
WHAT! Please no Hoover.

Stray
04-19-2016, 09:55 PM
Cargo doesn't look that bad very often

Plus Plus
04-19-2016, 09:56 PM
Cingrani did not look happy on his way to the dugout.

...the rift is real?

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 09:56 PM
I have secretly wished for that since the Cubs. But I gotta root for them.

Yeah me too. Can't root for a loss. Ever.

Redalert
04-19-2016, 09:56 PM
I remember when top six tickets at Riverfront cost 3 bucks..

Remember at cinergy, they walled off the chunk of demolished upper deck void with a flimsy chain link fence?

Chris Stynes was the years MVP

marcshoe
04-19-2016, 09:56 PM
Just got home, turned on the TV, and saw Cingrani pitching the ninth in a save situation. This is good, I thought. They're smarter than I gave them credit for, I thought.

Then I see Herbert jogging in.

RedTeamGo!
04-19-2016, 09:57 PM
Is Robert Stepenson mentally ruined beyond repair yet?

Oh, he did what? 3 hits in 7 innings?

Well, probably just mentally ruined temporarily, then.

Gainesville Red
04-19-2016, 09:57 PM
Cingrani did not look happy on his way to the dugout.

...the rift is real?

I don't know, he always looks pretty salty.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2016, 09:57 PM
That's just so crazy. Hoover better not blow this one for BobSteve

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 09:57 PM
10633

membengal
04-19-2016, 09:57 PM
I seriously don't get major league managers sometimes.


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Stray
04-19-2016, 09:57 PM
Cingrani did not look happy on his way to the dugout.

...the rift is real?

He doesn't ever look happy on the field lol

JKam
04-19-2016, 09:57 PM
What's everyone's guess? Hoover grooves a fastball or leaves a hanging breaking ball?

Raisor
04-19-2016, 09:58 PM
Hold onto your butts

WVRedsFan
04-19-2016, 10:00 PM
This is totally nerve wracking

JKam
04-19-2016, 10:00 PM
Here we go!

deljaso
04-19-2016, 10:00 PM
Why haven't we heard Thom say this is unbelievable?

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 10:00 PM
A pop fly bunt hit...

Could only happen to the Hoov

marcshoe
04-19-2016, 10:01 PM
As far as 19th century authors go, Robert Stephenson's doing better than Melville.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 10:01 PM
Come on!! Any Major League Pitcher should be able to get two outs before givin up three runs..

CURSE YOU JJ HOOVER!!!

JKam
04-19-2016, 10:02 PM
I predict a walk and then a homer by Paulson. Tie game at that point

marcshoe
04-19-2016, 10:02 PM
Can we just quit this now? I mean, seriously.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 10:02 PM
God this guy sucks

BluegrassRedleg
04-19-2016, 10:02 PM
Again, an organization with no pride whatsoever.

malcontent
04-19-2016, 10:03 PM
Rockies' announcers suggesting that Price is over-managing....

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 10:03 PM
God this guy sucks

membengal
04-19-2016, 10:03 PM
Just so lol


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Red Raindog
04-19-2016, 10:03 PM
I will chip in for the bus ticket

Gandalf the Red
04-19-2016, 10:03 PM
I shudder to think what Cingrani's voodoo doll of Bryan Price is going through right now.

RedlegJake
04-19-2016, 10:04 PM
yep. Only surprise is there weren't 2 on before he gave it up

Stray
04-19-2016, 10:04 PM
lmao

JKam
04-19-2016, 10:04 PM
You can't make this stuff up.

Tadasimha
04-19-2016, 10:07 PM
Hmmm, you either have to laugh or start to cry....I may laugh until I cry.

Ah well, got the win

WVRedsFan
04-19-2016, 10:07 PM
What is wrong with Bryan Price?

marcshoe
04-19-2016, 10:09 PM
Maybe this is the best result possible: the Reds win, and Hoover crosses the line and is out.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 10:09 PM
I think Hoover broke Redszone

Chip R
04-19-2016, 10:10 PM
I would hope that was Hoover's last chance.

TheBigLebowski
04-19-2016, 10:11 PM
If Price runs that bozo out there again in the 9th they both need to be on a bus to nowhere.

Stray
04-19-2016, 10:11 PM
JJ Hoover comes on to pitch and gives up a two run dinger --->

10634

WVRedsFan
04-19-2016, 10:13 PM
I would hope that was Hoover's last chance.It's not. He will kill us this season. So clueless from the dugout.

membengal
04-19-2016, 10:14 PM
Hoover and price may kill the forum.


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malcontent
04-19-2016, 10:14 PM
That's on Price. Hoover has been a serviceable reliever. He's just not a closer...except in Price's mind.

PXShaman
04-19-2016, 10:14 PM
Still laughing. You guys are too much.

But now we know who hoover is, he is the closer if you are up 3 + runs.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 10:15 PM
Is it safe to say as of right now the future looks bright???
Hope we don't die of heart failure from watchin Hoover before the future gets here.

marcshoe
04-19-2016, 10:17 PM
That's on Price. Hoover has been a serviceable reliever. He's just not a closer...except in Price's mind.

Price has benefited from the Peter Principle, so maybe he's just paying it forward.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2016, 10:20 PM
Price is a typical pitcher/manager...check that, he's really not, but he thinks that he has to bring in his "closer" to get he final outs. Trouble is that Hoover is not closer material and is homerun prone. The other trouble is that Price's judgment is horrible, but I say it three times a week and still get people throwing rotten eggs and tomatoes at me. So be it.

Playadlc
04-19-2016, 10:22 PM
Cingrani will take over from here.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2016, 10:25 PM
"Brian Price has said Hoover is his closer, and he's sticking with it," -- Jim Day

Wonder if any of the lily-livered press corps will have the guts to ask him a question about it?

RedTeamGo!
04-19-2016, 10:25 PM
Cingrani must be furious.

If Hoover ever pitches in a save situation again Price should be fired immediately.

Stray
04-19-2016, 10:26 PM
I'm not gonna go all in on Price for pulling Cingrani, since Cingrani hasn't ever really shown me that he's a good pitcher, but in this case I don't really see what harm it could cause either way.

Let Cingrani stay in and blow it or finish it...what would it matter? Hoover is what he is, surely we know that. But Cingrani is a guy we could probably get more out of....why not let him try?

kbrake
04-19-2016, 10:30 PM
C. Trent was pretty clear on Twitter that Price can't stick with Hoover. I get wanting to be supportive of your players but at some point you have to read the writing on the wall.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 10:30 PM
I'm not gonna go all in on Price for pulling Cingrani, since Cingrani hasn't ever really shown me that he's a good pitcher, but in this case I don't really see what harm it could cause either way.

Let Cingrani stay in and blow it or finish it...what would it matter? Hoover is what he is, surely we know that. But Cingrani is a guy we could probably get more out of....why not let him try?

Yeah I thought it was a horrible move because frankly it was unnecessary. If you're sticking with Hoover, (which I wouldn't) let him start the inning. Relievers splitting innings, especially relievers who aren't very good, never seems to turn out well.

Big Klu
04-19-2016, 10:33 PM
OK, I am officially tired of Price's act. He needs to be gone yesterday! Cingrani was dealing, and made Carlos Gonzalez look silly. Then Price inexplicably takes him out to bring in Hoover, who, just as surely as the sun rises in the east, gives up a two-run homer. This is not the right man for the job. (Neither Price nor Hoover.)

Chuckie
04-19-2016, 10:33 PM
I'm choosing to focus on Stephenson's excellent performance rather than Hoover being awful (or Price not understanding Hoover is awful).

Stephenson is a big piece of our future.

Hoover and Price won't even be with the Reds next year.

Tonight was a good night.

kaldaniels
04-19-2016, 10:34 PM
Hoover is not listed as getting the save. Is there a reason for that?

WVRedsFan
04-19-2016, 10:34 PM
Nope. Not one reporter mentioned the elephant in the room -- JJ Hoover. Guess they don't like F-bombs hurled at them.

- - - Updated - - -

Nope. Not one reporter mentioned the elephant in the room -- JJ Hoover. Guess they don't like F-bombs hurled at them.

Big Klu
04-19-2016, 10:36 PM
"Brian Price has said Hoover is his closer, and he's sticking with it," -- Jim Day

Wonder if any of the lily-livered press corps will have the guts to ask him a question about it?

Then Price needs to be served his walking papers immediately.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 10:36 PM
Hoover is not listed as getting the save. Is there a reason for that?

Didn't pitch a full inning. Didn't enter the game with the tying run on the on deck circle. Doesn't qualify under the rules.

WVRedsFan
04-19-2016, 10:37 PM
Hoover is not listed as getting the save. Is there a reason for that?I really didn't know this, but Thom said and Jeff agreed that a pitcher cannot come into an inning and get a save because he gets runners on. News to me.

Chuckie
04-19-2016, 10:41 PM
I really didn't know this, but Thom said and Jeff agreed that a pitcher cannot come into an inning and get a save because he gets runners on. News to me.

No, you can get runners on. But you have to pitch a full inning if you're up by 3 runs. Hoover only pitched 0.2 innings.

Anything less than a full inning, the tying runner has to be on the on deck circle for a pitcher to get a save.

Tracy Jones
04-19-2016, 10:41 PM
I really didn't know this, but Thom said and Jeff agreed that a pitcher cannot come into an inning and get a save because he gets runners on. News to me.

A pitcher either has to start and finish the inning (if it's the last inning) with a 3 run or less lead, or enter the game with the tying run either on base or in the on deck circle in order to qualify for a save

Big Klu
04-19-2016, 10:42 PM
Hoover is not listed as getting the save. Is there a reason for that?

A pitcher who enters a game with a three-run lead can only earn a save if he:

1) finishes the game (obviously), and

2) either
a) pitches at least one inning (recording three outs), or
b) enters the game with the tying run on base, at bat, or on deck.

Hoover did not meet the parameters.

Ron Madden
04-19-2016, 10:44 PM
I really didn't know this, but Thom said and Jeff agreed that a pitcher cannot come into an inning and get a save because he gets runners on. News to me.

I think the rule is you gotta come in a game with a 3 run lead or less and record 3 outs without givin up the lead to get the save..
Hoover only recorded 2 outs.. Cingrani got the first out.

kaldaniels
04-19-2016, 10:46 PM
I think the rule is you gotta come in a game with a 3 run lead or less and record 3 outs without givin up the lead to get the save..
Hoover only recorded 2 outs.. Cingrani got the first out.

Thanks for the rules clarification guys.

I was hoping it was a case of official scorer's discretion.

Cannon
04-19-2016, 10:50 PM
Stephenson, Reed, Lamb and Finnegan added to Bailey, Raisel and Disco...man, I'm liking the future. Now we just need to supplement Suarez and Winker with some other young impact bats around Votto.

Big Klu
04-19-2016, 10:55 PM
Thanks for the rules clarification guys.

I was hoping it was a case of official scorer's discretion.

Nope. If you recall, Hoover's only save this season came in a game in which he started the inning with a three-run lead and gave up a two-run homer.

mgbrown66
04-19-2016, 11:03 PM
Hoover is not Penske material.

757690
04-20-2016, 12:29 AM
A pitcher who enters a game with a three-run lead can only earn a save if he:

1) finishes the game (obviously), and

2) either
a) pitches at least one inning (recording three outs), or
b) enters the game with the tying run on base, at bat, or on deck.

Hoover did not meet the parameters.

I wonder if Price knew these rules. He usually only brings the closer in for save situations.

WVRedsFan
04-20-2016, 12:33 AM
I wonder if Price knew these rules. He usually only brings the closer in for save situations.Price doesn't know anything...ba-da-bing. I'll be here all week...

Ron Madden
04-20-2016, 12:46 AM
I didn't want Price to bring Hoover in either but 99.9% of MLB Managers bring in thier closer in the 9th inning of close games.
Maybe Price is just toeing the company line.

WVRedsFan
04-20-2016, 01:43 AM
I didn't want Price to bring Hoover in either but 99.9% of MLB Managers bring in thier closer in the 9th inning of close games.
Maybe Price is just toeing the company line.Given JJ's track record, it would seem that many aren't paying attention. If you have statistics to show the guy, though good in spots, but horrible in tough situations, why would you trust him to close? Mainly because someone thinks that you name a closer and stick with him. Price has chosen Hoover, who has no track record as a closer (unlike Codero who did) has named Hoover. It's a mystery why the brain trust (and I have to include the pitching coach here) has chosen Hoover for this. He had a horrible spring, he had a pretty good 2015 by not being in stressful situations and still failed late in the season, and today he's a gopherball phenomenon and still he comes in. His ERA is now 15.19. What about all of that says closer? It says that the inmates are running the asylum.

Ron Madden
04-20-2016, 03:30 AM
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2016/04/19/after-close-call-bryan-price-sleep-decision-reds-closer/83266642/

Bryan Price considering removing Hoover from Closer role.. Says he's gonna sleep on it and decide on Wednsday.

fondfoat
04-20-2016, 06:35 AM
It annoys me that he feels he has to make statements and name this player as his closer. Can't he be a bit more flexible. Cingrani can do it sometimes, maybe even Cotham if need be, and who knows, Hoover may pitch in the 9th again when we have a 5 run lead. Does he need to be so black and white about it when we do not have an out and out closer?