Tuesday, April 26th, 2016: Reds @ Mets Part II (The Young vs. The Old)

[Elam]

Reds back at it at Citi field tonight. Finnegan will face off with Bartolo Colon. Finnegan was just about to turn 4 when Colon made his major league debut.

Here's your lineup:

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[texasdave]

That is one sweet glove!

[Knightro28]

I wonder if this is the first time identical twins have ever started in the same game (Cozart & Holt).

[Knightro28]

AdamRubinESPN: With two outs recorded tonight, Bartolo Colon has now logged 3,000 innings for his career.

[Donder]

Have identical twins ever batted #1 and #2 in a MLB lineup before tonight?

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I wonder if this is the first time identical twins have ever started in the same game (Cozart & Holt).

Oops, you beat me to it. :)

[Tom Servo]

Nice AB by Holt.

[Chuckie]

Thom is talking about on-base percentage (praising Holt's OBP). I know this will upset many of you. ;)

[Knightro28]

I love when the Reds play the Mets... Cohen + Darling + Hernandez are terrific. Top 2 broadcast crew in all of MLB in my opinion.

[Tom Servo]

Votto blown away by an 87 mph pitch from Colon. Ugh.

[Chuckie]

Votto can't handle Colon's fastball.

[membengal]

Votto still doesn't look right. Three pitch K? To colon?


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[Chuckie]

Tom, what part of NYC you in bud? You ever like either of the NY teams?

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Votto still doesn't look right. There pitch K? To colon?


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The Hyundai just beat the Ferrari in a street race.

[PXShaman]

That backdoor strike on the in middle inside is really killing Votto this year. It seems if a pitcher has a nice backdoor pitch Votto is toasted.

[Tom Servo]

Finnegan only throwing 90-91 so far, not a great sign.

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Tom, what part of NYC you in bud? You ever like either of the NY teams?

Midtown Manhattan. I was a Yankees fan growing up and experienced the 98-99-00 World Series' fun, but being a fan of a big money juggernaut never really felt right. Felt like home embracing the Reds.

[Ron Madden]

Nice time for a double play..

[Tom Servo]

Oh, that 2-2 fastball at 93 mph looked like strike 3 to me.

[membengal]

Oh, that 2-2 fastball at 93 mph looked like strike 3 to me.

Yes - for sure.

[Tom Servo]

Scoreless first for Finnegan. Plunked Granderson, Cabrera lined out, Wright K'd, Granderson picked off.

[tomnuetten]

3000 IP ... not bad :clap:

hope that those inning today aren´t good though ;)

[TheBigLebowski]

Good first inning by Finnegan.

[Tom Servo]

Gonna boldly predict that Duvall takes Big Bart deep tonight.

[Tom Servo]

Aww jeez, we're gonna give Colon those calls?

[Ron Madden]

That looked outside to me

[tomnuetten]

ok colon is old and big but there is no reason to double his strike zone

[Tom Servo]

Votto should be taking tips from Barnhart! :clap:

[tomnuetten]

what an at bat.. I love me some tucker barnhart

[membengal]

Votto should be taking tips from Barnhart! :clap:

Yes. Probably.

[TheBigLebowski]

Barnhart is good.

[tomnuetten]

Tucker is great but his jumping on the bases is a bit weird ;)

[Red Raindog]

Barnhart is good.

the ump -- a little less so -- giving Colon the outside strike and the low one spells trouble

[membengal]

Can finnegan be given same strike zone that colon is getting?


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[Tom Servo]

Easy inning for Finnegan besides a shift-beating single from Conforto.

[Tom Servo]

they just played these commercials back to back here in NYC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzxAaWktXQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8UV7SAhvG4

Don't ever move to the city, folks.

[tomnuetten]

good that the 1B wanted the ball a little bit too much ;)

[membengal]

Hamilton v colon in a footrace is the best thing ever.


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[Tom Servo]

Hamilton v colon in a footrace is the best thing ever.

Keith Hernandez thinks Bart was going to win. Uh...

[tomnuetten]

defense :)

[Tom Servo]

Safety squeeze bunted too hard by Holt, Cozart moves up but Billy can't score. 2nd and 3rd with one out for Votto.

[Tom Servo]

Votto sac fly, 1-0 Redlegs.

[androosh]

Votto hit the ball! \o/

[tomnuetten]

Marty should be proud

[Big Klu]

I love when the Reds play the Mets... Cohen + Darling + Hernandez are terrific. Top 2 broadcast crew in all of MLB in my opinion.


Keith Hernandez thinks Bart was going to win. Uh...

Keith Hernandez? I hate Keith Hernandez!

[membengal]

Why in the world is welsh hinting that finnegan may not hold his rotation spot when Bailey and disco are back? Is he high?


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[Tom Servo]

1-2-3 inning for Finnegan with 2 Ks.

[Tom Servo]

Why in the world is welsh hinting that finnegan may not hold his rotation spot when Bailey and disco are back? Is he high?


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"We just gotta get Big Pasta going here in the rotation, I know he can throw the ball well." - Price in two weeks, probably.

[membengal]

"We just gotta get Big Pasta going here in the rotation, I know he can throw the ball well." - Price in two weeks, probably.

I just threw up a little.

[Donder]

they just played these commercials back to back here in NYC

Don't ever move to the city, folks.

We get Fox Indiana and Fox Cincinnati. When possible we watch Fox Indiana so we can see this commercial two or three times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkL4IhHHTE

We want to "CATCH" [:thumbup:] their special pricing.

['69]

Finnegan only throwing 90-91 so far, not a great sign.

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Midtown Manhattan. I was a Yankees fan growing up and experienced the 98-99-00 World Series' fun, but being a fan of a big money juggernaut never really felt right. Felt like home embracing the Reds.

That's interesting, this board has a lot of fans outside the "tri-state", And it's too easy to assume that they are transplants. You seem to be a helluva fan--glad it's for the Reds.

[Chip R]

Why in the world is welsh hinting that finnegan may not hold his rotation spot when Bailey and disco are back? Is he high?


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Conventional wisdom says he's better suited for the bullpen mainly for his lack of size and due to the fact that the bullpen really stinks.

['69]

The Jesus!

[Ron Madden]

HOME RUN!!!

[Chuckie]

DeJesus with a 2-run jack. And he crushed it. Wow.

[Tom Servo]

Ivan the Jesus! :jump:

3-0 Redlegs

[Big Klu]

Ivan Ivanovich with a two-run HR!

[ThatPitchIsDunn]

That's interesting, this board has a lot of fans outside the "tri-state", And it's too easy to assume that they are transplants. You seem to be a helluva fan--glad it's for the Reds.

And a masochist - giving up a three peat champ for the Lost Decade. God bless ya Servo.

['69]

Who was saying Billy was going to batting strictly RH this year?

[Chuckie]

Tom, so you had no previous connection to the Reds? No one in your family or anything rooted for them. You grew up a Yankee fan, enjoyed the 98-00 World Series run ... then decided on a whim to become a Reds' fan? During the Lost Decade?

That's a pretty good, unique story. And yes, we're glad to have you. That just intrigues me. It's unusual, I would say.

[Ron Madden]

Let's Turn Two!!!

[Tom Servo]

Tom, so you had no previous connection to the Reds? No one in your family or anything rooted for them. You grew up a Yankee fan, enjoyed the 98-00 World Series run ... then decided on a whim to become a Reds' fan? During the Lost Decade?

That's a pretty good, unique story. And yes, we're glad to have you. That just intrigues me. It's unusual, I would say.
Pretty much, yeah. Fell out of following baseball in my early teens and didn't really root for anybody, got back into it as a Reds fan. Give a lot of the credit to Ken Griffey Jr and the fates.

[Knightro28]

Keith Hernandez? I hate Keith Hernandez!

Why? Is it some longtime grudge?

[Chuckie]

Pretty much, yeah. Fell out of following baseball in my early teens and didn't really root for anybody, got back into it as a Reds fan. Give a lot of the credit to Ken Griffey Jr and the fates.

You don't feel disloyal to the Yanks or anything? Or do you still root for them>

[membengal]

Why? Is it some longtime grudge?

Not a Seinfeld watcher back in the day I take it?

[Chuckie]

Why? Is it some longtime grudge?

There was a second spitter! On the gravely sidewalk!

[Tom Servo]

You don't feel disloyal to the Yanks or anything? Or do you still root for them>
Nah, honestly the big thing for me was seeing the Yankees replace guys I loved like Tino Martinez with the Jason Giambi purchases. Just wasn't the same to me at that age.

My father and grandfather were old New York Giants fan who watched Willie Mays, so I didn't feel a historical connection to the Yanks.

[Tom Servo]

A few hard hit balls, but Finnegan works around some squeezing for another scoreless frame.

[Chuckie]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the only person that converted from being a Yankees' fan to a Reds' fan during the 2000s was our man Tom.

I could see it the other way though. A Reds' fan (a weak-minded one, of course) moves to NYC during the height of the Yanks' run. Gets frustrated with the Reds' losing and jumps on the local bandwagon. That happens all the time I bet. The opposite? Not so much. Tom, you are one unique dude, but we're glad to have you on board.

[Chuckie]

Nah, honestly the big thing for me was seeing the Yankees replace guys I loved like Tino Martinez with the Jason Giambi purchases. Just wasn't the same to me at that age.

My father and grandfather were old New York Giants fan who watched Willie Mays, so I didn't feel a historical connection to the Yanks.

Ah, gotcha.

[Knightro28]

Not a Seinfeld watcher back in the day I take it?

Negative.

[Chuckie]

Tyler Holt continues to get his schwerve on.

[Big Klu]

Tyler Holt with another hit.

And there were those who wanted to keep Jake Cave over him.

['69]

Why in the world is welsh hinting that finnegan may not hold his rotation spot when Bailey and disco are back? Is he high?


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That's my bone with Chris...some of the things he says or hints at are just, kind of out there. I get tired of correcting him. ;)

[Ironman92]

So so glad to have a young, quicker and grittier Skip.

We like Holt

[Ironman92]

I wish Joseph was more into attack mode. Sure seems to be in think mode right now.

[membengal]

That's my bone with Chris...some of the things he says or hints at are just, kind of out there. I get tired of correcting him. ;)

"Man - finnegan is really getting batters out - lets get him out of the rotation"

['69]

Nah, honestly the big thing for me was seeing the Yankees replace guys I loved like Tino Martinez with the Jason Giambi purchases. Just wasn't the same to me at that age.

My father and grandfather were old New York Giants fan who watched Willie Mays, so I didn't feel a historical connection to the Yanks.

Would then being a Mets fan just be crazy, or that just would never happen?

Giambi was an OBP stud though :(

[tomnuetten]

that doesn´t look good

[Big Klu]

Negative.

Due to an altercation between themselves and Hernandez (and Roger McDowell) outside Shea Stadium, Kramer and Newman held great animosity against Keith Hernandez.

[Chuckie]

Damn, Holt is hurt.

Oh, if it's just the ball hitting the funny bone, no biggie. I thought he jammed his shoulder at first.

[tomnuetten]

Damn, Holt is hurt.

Oh, if it's just the ball hitting the funny bone, no biggie. I thought he jammed his shoulder at first.

thought that it was the shoulder aswell

[Chuckie]

Holt picked off. Jeez.

[tomnuetten]

I don´t like aggressive baserunning :thumbdown:

two on, 1 out, your #4 and 5 hitter up... no need to do something like that

[Big Klu]

Would then being a Mets fan just be crazy, or that just would never happen?

Giambi was an OBP stud though :(

The Mets actually marketed themselves toward disenfranchised Dodgers and Giants fans when they first came into existence, hence their team colors--blue for the Dodgers, and orange for the Giants. They also commandeered the Giants' "NY" symbol.

[Chuckie]

I don´t like aggressive baserunning :thumbdown:

two on, 1 out, your #4 and 5 hitter up... no need to do something like that

It's anti-saber for sure ... so pretty much in line with how Price does business. (Although Holt could have been going on his own there.)

Price also a big fan of bunting (not just with pitchers). Another anti-saber hallmark.

[Chip R]

Tyler Holt with another hit.

And there were those who wanted to keep Jake Cave over him.

And they want to be my latex salesmen.

[Chuckie]

Cody Reed and Amir Garrett can drink beer at my house anytime. Open invitations.

['69]

Wow, Billy

[Ron Madden]

WOW BILLY!!!

[Big Klu]

Unbelievable! Incredible catch by Billy!

[Larkin Fan]

Say what you want about Billy's offense, but his glove is exactly why he belongs out there. That was incredible

[membengal]

That catch from billy was absolutely bonkers.


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[Ironman92]

Air Billy

How did he catch that? He jumped too early and just did a Jordan like jump while already in the air and seemed to go higher

SMH lol what a catch

['69]

Woah, they will review

No? OK. Lol

[Ron Madden]

Double Duvall!!!

['69]

DeJesus has had some good looking ABs in this series

[Big Klu]

DeJesus has had some good looking ABs in this series

And he just had another one.

Ivan Ivanovich works a walk.

[Ironman92]

Lol....had BP made that play like that Thom would've blown out the tv speakers and broke into his top 10 plays of all-time.

Didn't even make a comment on the great play.

[Big Klu]

Lol....had BP made that play like that Thom would've blown out the tv speakers and broke into his top 10 plays of all-time.

Didn't even make a comment on the great play.

Don't forget that the dog would have jumped up and hid behind the couch.

['69]

Nice Finnegan, 2 outs.

Watch Billy's catch again, it looks like his break to the ball was instantaneous

[RedsfaninMT]

Safety squeeze bunted too hard by Holt, Cozart moves up but Billy can't score. 2nd and 3rd with one out for Votto.


Nice Finnegan, 2 outs.

Watch Billy's catch again, it looks like his break to the ball was instantaneous

Looking forward to seeing when they show highlights. Didn't fork over the $ to watch online this year.

[Ron Madden]

Good Job Finnegan!!!

[11larkin11]

Brandon Finnegan.

#BullpenOrWhatever

[Tom Servo]

Great job by Finnegan to work out of that jam! 6 scoreless innings.

[Mutaman]

Location location location. this kid is good.

[Big Klu]

Outstanding performance by Finnegan to work out of the jam with no runs allowed!

I think I would let him go out for the seventh, though with a short leash.

[Ron Madden]

Why in the world is welsh hinting that finnegan may not hold his rotation spot when Bailey and disco are back? Is he high?


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That's Chris..He calls Home Runs rally killers too.

[Freak25]

Cozart is on fire!

[Big Klu]

The Zack Attack just keeps rolling!

[The Operator]

Nice to see Finnegan reach back for 94 when he needed it. Impressive outing.

I really like the future of this pitching staff.

[kaldaniels]

Outstanding performance by Finnegan to work out of the jam with no runs allowed!

I think I would let him go out for the seventh, though with a short leash.

Just a preference but I like to get the youngsters out early on a night like this. 6 shutout innings is something to build on. I've too often seen the young guys hit a wall in the 7/8th and ruin a great start.

[The Operator]

Maybe Votto will show up early for some batting tips from Cozart.

[Chuckie]

Sorry if already mentioned, but Winker hit his first HR of the season for Louisville. Batting .316.

Cody Reed in line for his first win of the season. 5 innings, 1 run, 6 Ks.

[Freak25]

I can't be pleased.

I hate seeing Finnegan go this deep as a young pitcher and possibly lose after a brilliant performance. Yet, I don't want to see this garbage bullpen blow the game.

2016 Reds fan problems.

[The Operator]

Finnegan back on the bump

[11larkin11]

I like putting Finny back out there. But his leash has to be as short as can be. One runner gets on, you bring in the pen.

[Chuckie]

Finnegan blows him away at 93. Fifth K.

[757690]

At least guys are warming up as the inning starts. Price is learning.

[The Operator]

K #5

1 out

[Freak25]

HEAT!!

[The Operator]

ugh

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He's all over the place.

[757690]

At least guys are warming up as the inning starts. Price is learning.

I spoke too soon. Ugh.

[The Operator]

Get him out of there. Now.

[Freak25]

Call it a night.

Good performance by Finnegan.

[membengal]

Sigh.


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[OnBaseMachine]

Walking guys like Lagares with a three run lead is less than ideal. Good grief.

[membengal]

Yay price. Now bullpen with runners on. Brilliant. And extra pitches finnegan didn't need. I just don't get it.


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[11larkin11]

One batter too many. When a young guy walks someone at 104 pitches on 5 pitches, it's time to pull him.

[Chuckie]

Bring in Cotham City.

[The Operator]

Cespedes now. Oh yippee

[Tom Servo]

Bryan Price is a real genius, never saw a good outing from a young pitcher he didn't want to ruin by not knowing when to stop.

[Ironman92]

DANGER DANGER

I'll be ecstatic to get out of this with just 1 run

For my money, I like leaving him in. I'd rather see him blow it than the bullpen

[757690]

Lol Price. I hate when FCB gets proven right.

['69]

Good Lord

Cespedes homers

[Freak25]

Thom thinks this is a good move.

That makes me nervous.

Yep! I was right!

[Chuckie]

Bryan Price is really dumb. How do you let Finnegan pitch to Cespedes?

[The Operator]

Gee who the heck could have saw that coming?

Good god Price

[11larkin11]

Oh my god. That was as bad a managerial decision as I've seen since Narron pinch hit Juan Castro for Josh Hamilton

[OnBaseMachine]

Predictable. Bryan Price fail. Again.

[membengal]

Someone explain to me why that just happened?


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[The Operator]

Everybody with eyeballs knew Finnegan was 100% spent. Done. Gassed.

But no, let's leve him in to try and fight through it. Because blowing a 3-run lead is a great teaching moment.

[RedlegJake]

Man I'll be glad when Price is finally fired.

[KYRedsFan]

Ignorant

[The Operator]

Everybody with eyeballs knew Finnegan was 100% spent. Done. Gassed.

But no, let's leve him in to try and fight through it. Because blowing a 3-run lead is a great teaching moment.

[Big Klu]

I liked letting him go out for the seventh inning. He got the first out, but when he allowed his first base runner Price should have pulled him. Two batters too many.

[membengal]

That is truly one of the dumbest things I have ever seen.


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[Ironman92]

Fatigue location. Damnit

He'll not get that chance again for a while.

Glad Cespedes wasn't even loose hit first pitch he saw 115 mph.

I know there will be 73 posts blowing up Price here but I'm a lot more calm having watched the starter give it up. I can't tolerate anymore bullpen blasts to give it up.

Now let's win this

[The Operator]

lol ReDZ

[membengal]

Like , immediately fireable dumb.


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['69]

Yuck, was hoping for Cingrani to build on his last stellar outing.

[membengal]

Protecting the kids on the staff as they develop has to be job one. Just a total fail from price again. So pissed.


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[The Operator]

lol reds bullpen

[Roy Tucker]

Love running up the pitch count to out some steel in a man's spine.

[Freak25]

Well, that 7th inning sucked.

[TheBigLebowski]

Bryan Price is garbage. There, I said it.

[Chip R]

What a dumb move because there's no way the bullpen would have blown a 3 run lead.

[RedlegJake]

It would be funny if it wasn't so predictable. Send the kid out for the 7th, leave him in until the game's tied, then call on the pen and lose the lead

[757690]

Guys, relax. Remember, Bryan Price is excellent at developing pitchers.

[Big Klu]

Well, that 7th inning sucked.

The 8th inning showed up one inning early.

[Ironman92]

I still care less about the starter giving up the lead than I do Cingrani throwing a center cut fastball right down the middle on an 0-2 count.

I cussed way more at Cingrani than I did Price

['69]

Price can't make the simplest decision work, and rarely has in his tenure. I have no problem letting him go now.

[Freak25]

Way to run it out, Barnhart

[The Operator]

Okay I tuned into this game late so you'll have to forgive me. Since when is Wilmer Flores a 1B?

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Wow..practically every game is the same...we are in most games till the 7th or 8th then an epic collapse EVERY SINGLE GAME ???????

[KOBasinger]

Why is everyone so mad that Finnegan wasn't pulled? Not like the bullpen would've done any better , ya know?

[membengal]

What a dumb move because there's no way the bullpen would have blown a 3 run lead.

If no one in the pen can get people out, that's on Walt and dick. But you don't sacrifice pitches on a baby starting arm like finnegan has because the pen sucks. That's just full stop stupid.

[lnn6574]

This is becoming so predictable.

[OnBaseMachine]

Finnegan shut down a hot Mets lineup for 6.1 innings. What exactly was the teaching point there? What was there to prove? Its time for Price to go.

[membengal]

Why is everyone so mad that Finnegan wasn't pulled? Not like the bullpen would've done any better , ya know?

Because protecting finnegan and helping him build is more important than avoiding that pen. Welcome to rebuilding, someone get price the damn memo.

[malcontent]

The "rebuild" can't really begin until Price is shown the door.

[Big Klu]

Price can't make the simplest decision work, and rarely has in his tenure. I have no problem letting him go now.

I still remember the time he challenged an opposing triple, thinking it should have been ruled a ground-rule double. Instead, the ruling was that it was actually a home run. He had a "deer in the headlights" look on his face.

[WVRedsFan]

Predictable RedsZone. Many upset that Price made another bad move that will probably cost us a game.
Next we get those who aren't mad at Price because he didn't trust the bullpen
Next we get Tony non-love
Finally we'll get that opinion that wins and losses don't matter in a rebuilding season.

Just another day in paradise.

[KOBasinger]

Because protecting finnegan and helping him build is more important than avoiding that pen. Welcome to rebuilding, someone get price the damn memo.

I can see your argument there. I guess it was bound to happen either way, unfortunately.

[Chip R]

If no one in the pen can get people out, that's on Walt and dick. But you don't sacrifice pitches on a baby starting arm like finnegan has because the pen sucks. That's just full stop stupid.

Right. If he was pulled and the bullpen gave up the lead you guys would have complained that Finnegan was cruising

[11larkin11]

I wanna say, I listened to the Mets radio last night and am watching the Mets TV today. Both sets of announcers are outstanding. Very knowledgeable about the Reds, call even games, and stick to the game for the most part. I'm really enjoying it.

[membengal]

Right. If he was pulled and the bullpen gave up the lead you guys would have complained that Finnegan was cruising

Nope. Not me. Not in a million billion years. And you know that.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Welcome to the temple of doom...aka the 8th inning

[The Operator]

If he was pulled and the bullpen gave up the lead you guys would have complained that Finnegan was cruisingNot so. At least in my case. I was hoping he was done.

[KronoRed]

Price: He had a shut out going, I can't take that away from him.

[Big Klu]

Finnegan shut down a hot Mets lineup for 6.1 innings. What exactly was the teaching point there? What was there to prove? Its time for Price to go.

Right. I liked bringing Finnegan back out for the seventh innkng to see how he responded after the sixth, and he had only 94 pitches. He retired the first batter, but Price should have pulled him as soon as he walked Lagares.

Worst case scenario: 6.1 innings, 1 ER.

[Freak25]

Lets keep this a 1 run game & give our bats a chance.

[malcontent]

I wanna say, I listened to the Mets radio last night and am watching the Mets TV today. Both sets of announcers are outstanding. Very knowledgeable about the Reds, call even games, and stick to the game for the most part. I'm really enjoying it.
Darling chewing Price up.

[wally post]

I love the mets announcers - Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez are a huge positive contrast to Marty&siblings world. #firePrice
They are speaking about Price messing up the game right as I type - saying the same: "...should've left the starter with a great feeling that he did well tonight.."

[membengal]

Heck, look back two pages and I posted assuming he was certainly being lifted with two on - it is beyond belief that he was left in at that pitch count to throw more high stress pitches. I don't need to recount the finnegan should be here/aaa/pen threads to go over how very little starting history finnegan has. Six shutout innings and a pitch count near 100? Nice night, go to pen and if those guys can't hold it, such is life. But I want finnegan groomed for years past this one. And I don't trust price at this point to do that. So pissed.


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[11larkin11]

Right. If he was pulled and the bullpen gave up the lead you guys would have complained that Finnegan was cruising

Nope. We know the bullpen sucks and won't be improved until the injured starters come back and move guys to the pen short term, and a few guys in the minors get moved in the next year or so. I'm fine with the bullpen blowing it because I know most of those guys won't even be here. Finnegan will be here, he needs to be priority #1.

I guess I should add that I could care less about wins this year. Even with the crappy record we'll have, I'm still greatly enjoying this year due to the young players growing in front of our eyes, Finnegan examply #1.

[Tom Servo]

I can't get over how dumb Price is. Good lord. I don't even care about winning and losing, I want to see the young pitchers do well and leave with their heads held high. Bryan Price can't even lose games correctly

[The Operator]

Reds retire Neil Walker for the first time ever.

[WVRedsFan]

Darling chewing Price up.At the risk of being accused of making anti-Price rants every game that's getting old as I have been recently, most baseball people would feel like Darling. It's OK to lose, but not from stupidity.

[11larkin11]

Darling chewing Price up.

Yep, still going at it and he's 100% right

[The Operator]

I love the mets announcers - Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez are a huge positive contrast to Marty&siblings world. #firePrice
They are speaking about Price messing up the game right as I type - saying the same: "...should've left the starter with a great feeling that he did well tonight.."Gee what a novel idea.

[membengal]

Good for darling - I may look for a transcript.


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[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Not even end of april and already tired of the following..the word rebuilding...the epic collapses...cingrani's hateful man scowl that obviously doesnt intimidate hitters

['69]

Predictable RedsZone. Many upset that Price made another bad move that will probably cost us a game.
Next we get those who aren't mad at Price because he didn't trust the bullpen
Next we get Tony non-love
Finally we'll get that opinion that wins and losses don't matter in a rebuilding season.

I hear ya but Finnegan was at 103 pitches after he k'd the leadoff batter. The consensus was a short leash, he leaves with his confidence, and a fresh arm faces Cespedes

[Freak25]

Go get 'em, Cotham

[Big Klu]

Caleb Cotham with another solid relief outing.

[11larkin11]

The Cotham Knight continues to be the lone bright spot, along with Wood in the bullpen.

[Chip R]

I can't get over how dumb Price is. Good lord. I don't even care about winning and losing, I want to see the young pitchers do well and leave with their heads held high. Bryan Price can't even lose games correctly

I doubt Finnegan would have felt a lot better when the bullpen blew his lead. Most pitchers when they are pitching well don't want to be taken out and if they are they are not happy. Also young pitchers have to learn to work out of jams like that.

[Chuckie]

Cotham is good. Would have been a shame if Price put him in like he should have to face Cespedes.

Price really wants the Reds to have a good 2017 draft pick. Which is weird since he'll be long gone before that player comes up.

[westofyou]

Bryan Price - King Midas in reverse


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[membengal]

I doubt Finnegan would have felt a lot better when the bullpen blew his lead. Most pitchers when they are pitching well don't want to be taken out and if they are they are not happy. Also young pitchers have to learn to work out of jams like that.

That's what the 5th is for. Work out of a jam. Do so when the pitch count is at 70.

[Stray]

I'd have pulled him sooner, but I don't think it was a huge deal. Our bullpen is awful so when and how we get there is kinda just whatever to me.

He should feel good about the way he pitched regardless tho, Finnegan has been awesome this year.

[Chuckie]

I'd have pulled him sooner, but I don't think it was a huge deal. Our bullpen is awful so when and how we get there is kinda just whatever to me.

He should feel good about the way he pitched regardless tho, Finnegan has been awesome this year.

On paper? Maybe. To anyone watching the game? It was clear Finnegan was gassed and needed to come out. Well, to everyone except Price.

[757690]

So who has been given a longer leash... Hoover or Price?

[The Operator]

Sigh

[KYExtemper]

Well this feels like another game we should've won. One of those years we're going to have to score 8-10 runs to win a game.

[Big Klu]

Price is managing to save his job, so he leaves starters in too long because he doesn't trust his bullpen. He is less concerned with development and more concerned with wins. However, this may run counter to the "rebuilding plan". It may be in the Reds' best interest to find an interim manager who will serve as more of a caretaker for the overall development for the young players.

[WVRedsFan]

On paper? Maybe. To anyone watching the game? It was clear Finnegan was gassed and needed to come out. Well, to everyone except Price.You mean the great handler of pitchers?

[Roy Tucker]

LP - Price

[Stray]

On paper? Maybe. To anyone watching the game? It was clear Finnegan was gassed and needed to come out. Well, to everyone except Price.

I'm not even disagreeing with that. I'm just saying that with this current roster I'm not about to get worked up about pulling guys early or late, we are giving up runs and homers no matter if it's starters or pitchers.

Yea I'd have pulled him, but getting worked up about not going to our pen sooner seems like the silliest thing to ever get worked up about.

Finnegan was great and in the big picture it's forgotten. His confidence should be alright.

[Freak25]

In the 7th inning, when Price visited the mound, Thom said: "Bryan Price knows more about pitching than anybody on the planet".

Dumb planet.

[Stray]

Price is managing to save his job, so he leaves starters in too long because he doesn't trust his bullpen. He is less concerned with development and more concerned with wins. However, this may run counter to the "rebuilding plan". It may be in the Reds' best interest to find an interim manager who will serve as more of a caretaker for the overall development for the young players.

That's a pretty interesting thought tbh. I don't know that not trusting and going to our pen at the right time is coaching for his job, but overall he has to be. He makes good money and should want to keep making it. But if wins and losses decide Price's job then there's a major lack of communication between ownership/FO and Price.

Managing this franchise for the future should be the priority and it should be clear to him. But yeah I dunno and hadn't even thought of it that way.

[Crumbley]

http://i.imgur.com/UT3Vq52.jpg

[westofyou]

So who has been given a longer leash... Hoover or Price?

Both are dogs currently

[Tom Servo]

I keep looking at Finnegan's final line and depressing myself lol

At least I can boo the hell out of Price at tomorrow's game

[westofyou]

Bryan Price does not play Strat-o-Matic. Because he would not throw a LH vs Cespedes if he did

[The Operator]

http://i.imgur.com/UT3Vq52.jpgPosted that exact picture on my facebook last night, lol.

[Big Klu]

In the 7th inning, when Price visited the mound, Thom said: "Bryan Price knows more about pitching than anybody on the planet".

Dumb planet.

https://triviahappy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/itsgotelectrolytes.jpg

[westofyou]

In the 7th inning, when Price visited the mound, Thom said: "Bryan Price knows more about pitching than anybody on the planet".

Dumb planet.

Thom.... Our very own Hyperbole Generator

[Stray]

In the 7th inning, when Price visited the mound, Thom said: "Bryan Price knows more about pitching than anybody on the planet".

Dumb planet.

Thom being Thom, but we shouldn't discredit Price's knowledge of managing pitchers. He has spent many years doing it very well. And right now he's not working with a staff that'll give you good results more often than not.

[WVRedsFan]

Thom being Thom, but we shouldn't discredit Price's knowledge of managing pitchers. He has spent many years doing it very well. And right now he's not working with a staff that'll give you good results more often than not.Trouble is, he was a great pithing coach, but as a coach, he didn't have to make decisions on when to pull a pitcher and who to put in a lineup. He's not very good at those things, and hasn't been since Day One. I really don't know why people have trouble with that.

[BenHayes]

Another loss placed squarely on the shoulders of the bullpen. Price's decision to leave Finnegan in was based on his mistrust of his pen.

[Ron Madden]

Another loss placed squarely on the shoulders of the bullpen. Price's decision to leave Finnegan in was based on his mistrust of his pen.

I think so too.

[Ironman92]

In the 7th inning, when Price visited the mound, Thom said: "Bryan Price knows more about pitching than anybody on the planet".

Dumb planet.

Yahoo is reporting that Leo Mazzone threw up

[Stray]

Trouble is, he was a great pithing coach, but as a coach, he didn't have to make decisions on when to pull a pitcher and who to put in a lineup. He's not very good at those things, and hasn't been since Day One. I really don't know why people have trouble with that.

I'm of the belief that you need to a good option available to make the wrong decision.

I'm not a fan of keeping Price long term by any means for very different reasons, I'm just not about to tear him apart for seemingly meaningless decisions. It's a big picture year and Price obviously gets it in some ways and doesn't in the others.

[Ironman92]

One point for those of you saying you don't want Finnegan with that negative feeling after pitching all of those good innings....

If giving up the lead slows down his progress as a pitcher....he likely doesn't have what it takes to help them where we want them to get to

[westofyou]

Yahoo is reporting that Leo Mazzone threw up

Ray Miller held his hair

[Mutaman]

I'm of the belief that you need to a good option available to make the wrong decision.

I'm not a fan of keeping Price long term by any means for very different reasons, I'm just not about to tear him apart for seemingly meaningless decisions. It's a big picture year and Price obviously gets it in some ways and doesn't in the others.

As Darling strongly emphasized the good option was taking Finnegan out when he was running out of gas. That was the big picture move too.

[WVRedsFan]

I'm of the belief that you need to a good option available to make the wrong decision.
Cotham was a good choice, no? Why not him as Finnegan reached 100 pitches?


I'm not a fan of keeping Price long term by any means for very different reasons, I'm just not about to tear him apart for seemingly meaningless decisions. It's a big picture year and Price obviously gets it in some ways and doesn't in the others.
I don't think losing a game is meaningless, but that's just me. If you have a chance to win, and the Reds did, you manage to win. He didn't

[Ironman92]

Ray Miller held his hair

Greg Maddux threw 4 CY Young awards at his tv

[westofyou]

I love the mets announcers - Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez are a huge positive contrast to Marty&siblings world. #firePrice
They are speaking about Price messing up the game right as I type - saying the same: "...should've left the starter with a great feeling that he did well tonight.."

NYC gets Darling and Hernandez, SF gets Krukow and Kuiper and the Reds get Thom, Chris and the cast from the Gong Show

Yippee

[Stray]

As Darling strongly emphasized the good option was taking Finnegan out when he was running out of gas. That was the big picture move too.

And he threw 107. Unfortunate final inning but he wasn't totally ran out of gas or anything.


Cotham was a good choice, no? Why not him as Finnegan reached 100 pitches?


I don't think losing a game is meaningless, but that's just me. If you have a chance to win, and the Reds did, you manage to win. He didn't

Fearing his bullpen and staying a little too long with a starter who has been very good could be taken both ways tbh. And yes Cotham has been good I agree. Like I said I'd have pulled Finny sooner...I just don't get the anger. At least with this team.

[WVRedsFan]

"I have certain limitations that I don't share with you guys." - Bryan Price

[Tom Servo]

"I have certain limitations that I don't share with you guys." - Bryan Price

We are well aware of your limitations, Bryan.

[Big Klu]

NYC gets Darling and Hernandez, SF gets Krukow and Kuiper and the Reds get Thom, Chris and the cast from the Gong Show

Yippee

Gene, Gene, the Dancing Machine!

http://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/2015/03/gene_gene_the_dancing_machine.jpg



(Actually, I wouldn't mind a consistent broadcasting duo of Kelch and Welsh.)

[texasdave]

If anyone is interested, Franderlyn Romero has struck out 11 through 7 innings of play. He is only at 79 pitches. The only runner to reach against him came on a wild pitch strike out.

Romero struck out 4 hitters in the second inning.

[Cooper]

It wasn't about the score...it was taking him out so that he felt good about what He accomplished. Price doesn't have a very good feel for games- he manages scared and doesn't look down the road. Fin had battled to get out of the last inning. He proved his worth....price has difficulty pulling starting pitchers early...he'll do it w a reliever but starters got to gut it out. He's in over his head.

[Mutaman]

And he threw 107. Unfortunate final inning but he wasn't totally ran out of gas or anything.



Fearing his bullpen and staying a little too long with a starter who has been very good could be taken both ways tbh. And yes Cotham has been good I agree. Like I said I'd have pulled Finny sooner...I just don't get the anger. At least with this team.

You simply do not leave a young left handed pitcher face that kind of a right handed hitter in that situation. It is pretty basic, no mater who your right handed option is. And making a boneheaded move which cost the Reds a winnable game in New York makes me pretty angry. This team has plenty of excuses for losing but getting outmanaged isn't one of them.

[Kc61]

It wasn't about the score...it was taking him out so that he felt good about what He accomplished. Price doesn't have a very good feel for games- he manages scared and doesn't look down the road. Fin had battled to get out of the last inning. He proved his worth....price has difficulty pulling starting pitchers early...he'll do it w a reliever but starters got to gut it out. He's in over his head.

It's probably not wise to guess how a player is reacting to a particular outing. Whether Finnegan "feels good" is not known to us. He probably understands the objective was to stretch him out to 7 innings.

It's too bad it didn't work out, but I'm unwilling to assume Finnegan has been scarred in some way by this outing.

[Rantly]

On the post game interview with Price, he mentioned he liked the matchup of Finnigan/Cespidas over Cotham/Duda. After Cespidas was announced he didn't want to go to Cotham because he figured they would go with Duda. My question is, wasn't Duda announced as a PH before Price went to the mound?

[Ron Madden]

On the post game interview with Price, he mentioned he liked the matchup of Finnigan/Cespidas over Cotham/Duda. After Cespidas was announced he didn't want to go to Cotham because he figured they would go with Duda. My question is, wasn't Duda announced as a PH before Price went to the mound?

No

[westofyou]

Boy’s if you want that game then I suggest you go out and get ‘em 1-2-3, But if you start going 1-2-3..4-5 we’ll see you later and we’ll get somebody who wants to get ‘em out.”

Sparky Anderson on pitching.

[Mutaman]

Whether Finnegan "feels good" is not known to us. He may feel quite good about his performance..

I'm betting he doesn't feel too good about things.
"You’ve got a young pitcher who gave a great effort, I want him to leave the game with a good feeling about himself. He doesn’t have a good feeling about himself in the locker room right now. "
Darling

[Stray]

I'm betting he doesn't feel too good about things.
"You’ve got a young pitcher who gave a great effort, I want him to leave the game with a good feeling about himself. He doesn’t have a good feeling about himself in the locker room right now. "
Darling

Who really cares what the Mets announcers think? Finnegan has been fantastic and everyone who follows or is associated with the Reds knows this. It'd be really weird if Finnegan himself is the only one who didn't.

He'll be fine. He has been great.

[Mutaman]

he liked the matchup of Finnigan/Cespidas over Cotham/Duda.


:confused:

[Mutaman]

Who really cares what the Mets announcers think?

I do. Darling is as good a communicator about the art of pitching as anyone in the business.

[757690]

Sorry if you've heard this before,but Price keeps giving me opportunities to use it...

Why did Bryan Price sell his lawn mower?

He couldn't pull the starter.

[Stray]

I do. Darling is as good a communicator about the art of pitching as anyone in the business.

But he doesn't know the manager, he doesn't know the players, he doesn't know the team, and he only watches us a handful of times per year? I mean he can be the pitching maestro for all I'm concerned but what does he really know about us? I'll take his word on Mets pitchers for sure.

[Chuckie]

If we end up with the No. 1 pick of the 2017 draft, barely beating another team by 1 game, we'll all be thanking Bryan Price for his stupidity.

[Kc61]

I'm betting he doesn't feel too good about things.
"You’ve got a young pitcher who gave a great effort, I want him to leave the game with a good feeling about himself. He doesn’t have a good feeling about himself in the locker room right now. "
Darling

But this is a boilerplate view without any focus on the individual pitcher; his relationship with his manager; his makeup; the goals he is trying to achieve as he learns.

In terms of the ballgame itself, Price is subject to criticism. He made a decision and it didn't work.

But in terms of the impact on this pitcher and his psyche, I think it's best left to those who know him him and work with him.

[texasdave]

The Reds are on pace to win 69 games. That is pretty much in line with what the board expected. I would imagine in most baseball games you can play the 'Coulda Woulda Shoulda' game. With the benefit of hindsight, teams can probably conjure up 120 or so wins a season. But that is not reality.

[Mutaman]

But this is a boilerplate view without any focus on the individual pitcher; his relationship with his manager; his makeup; the goals he is trying to achieve as he learns.

In terms of the ballgame itself, Price is subject to criticism. He made a decision and it didn't work.

But in terms of the impact on this pitcher and his psyche, I think it's best left to those who know him him and work with him.

Not if those who know him are incompetent. And the evidence has been piling up for a long time.