Monday, May 2, 2016 - Cueto @ Part of Cueto's Return (7:10pm ET)

[androosh]

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[WrongVerb]

April 21?

[androosh]

April 21?Heh - must have came from a date when I was doing some work stuff at the same time. Fixing now (or trying to at least).

[Raisor]

April 21?

Who are you rooting for tonight traitor?

[androosh]

Fixed it \o/

[PXShaman]

Keep Billy in 2nd slot.
Let him have protection with Votto. I wanna see him with a SB>

[texasdave]

CF - .281 OBP
SS - .222 OBP

Is Dusty guest-managing tonight?

[klw]

Today could have been a good day to have tried Votto in the 2 spot. Move Dejesus from 2 to 8 and move everyone else up a spot.

[Raisor]

I get to listen to Jon Miller tonight.

Excellent.

[Tom Servo]

The gray in Span's beard isn't a great look.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice play by DeJesus

[Chuckie]

Just saw the Mesoraco news on the ORG. What a freakin' bummer.

[Tom Servo]

Cueto K's Votto.

[Gandalf the Red]

0-0 after 1, but the good news is that the Reds have successfully denied Cueto's no-hitter bid.

[Elam]

Working on some stuff tonight, passively paying attention to the game, and have already caught myself reacting to Cueto giving up a hit negatively. Then immediately remembering he's in a different uniform.

Weird seeing him on the mound at GABP but in another uniform.

[tomnuetten]

leadoff walk... not the best idea

[Reds Fanatic]

Williamson hit by the pitch. 1st and 2nd with no outs

[Reds Fanatic]

Crawford flies out to left

[Reds Fanatic]

Bloop hit to right By Tomlinson. Bases loaded.

[CWRed]

Finn is up in the zone a lot *where Reds pitchers seem to live this year), throwing 89-91 with little control on off speed pitches. Hope I'm wrong but does not bode well.

[Tom Servo]

This little jabroni Tomlinson always hits those types of singles against us.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cueto with a 2 run single to right. 2-0 Giants

[BluegrassRedleg]

Why the hell would you throw ANYTHING that sweet on the first pitch???

[Tom Servo]

ugh

[Chip R]

Johnny helps himself with a bases loaded 2 run single.

[Ron Madden]

Phillips usually stops balls hit like that

[Tom Servo]

Why the hell would you throw ANYTHING that sweet on the first pitch???
Why wouldn't you? Cueto can't hit. That ball probably should have been fielded.

[Reds Fanatic]

Now 3-0 on a FC.

[powersackers]

That was a hack job fielding by Votto.

[Tom Servo]

man this inning blows, 3 runs without a single hard hit ball

[redsfanmia]

Phillips usually stops balls hit like that

Votto gets a pass defensively, he loses concentration and makes bad errors

[KronoRed]

Dink and dunk baseball.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Why wouldn't you? Cueto can't hit. That ball probably should have been fielded.

That's exactly why you don't. He CAN'T hit a legitimate pitch. You know he's salivating up there with the bases loaded with a chance to do damage to his old team. You don't throw that pitch. Horrible location.

[Tom Servo]

That's exactly why you don't. He CAN'T hit a legitimate pitch. You know he's salivating up there with the bases loaded with a chance to do damage to his old team. You don't throw that pitch. Horrible location.
If all Cueto can do with a "sweet pitch" is ground it to the right side, that seems like all the more reason to throw it on the first pitch.

[kbrake]

Votto gets a pass defensively, he loses concentration and makes bad errors

What does Votto have to do with Brandon Phillips rapid defensive decline?

[redsfanmia]

nm

[Tom Servo]

Finnegan's stuff not looking so sharp today, topping out about 92. Maybe needlessly sending him out for that 7th inning against the Mets was actually (gasp) a really dumb idea!

[redsfanmia]

What does Votto have to do with Brandon Phillips rapid defensive decline?

That ball Cueto hit was Votto's, we must be talking about different plays. Phillips is declining defensively

[Reds Fanatic]

Posey strikes out swinging and the inning is finally over

[Tom Servo]

That ball Cueto hit was Votto's, we must be talking about different plays. Phillips is declining defensively
BP not keeping the ball in front of him cost another run.

[BluegrassRedleg]

If all Cueto can do with a "sweet pitch" is ground it to the right side, that seems like all the more reason to throw it on the first pitch.

No successful pitcher ever has thought like that. With one out, the best of the best are thinking K there, get the next guy and escape the inning unscathed.

Even if you field that, a run scores. That's a TERRIBLE outcome with him at the plate.

[redsfanmia]

BP not keeping the ball in front of him cost another run.

But Votto botching and easy play was the problem, the deflected balls are very hard to play.

[Tony Cloninger]

What does Votto have to do with Brandon Phillips rapid defensive decline?

He was right there to field Cueto ball. An out at the plate was there and possible a DP throw out at first. Phillips was too far to 2B to field that cleanly. Not saying he has not lost a step but an average 1B gets that ball.

The one that Johnnie LeMaster Jr hit was not exactly easy to get to either but we have been spoiled by BP.

[Tom Servo]

But Votto botching and easy play was the problem, the deflected balls are very hard to play.
I'd have to see the play again, all I know is that the ball was there in the hole for BP to grab and he couldn't do it.

[redsfanmia]

I'd have to see the play again, all I know is that the ball was there in the hole for BP to grab and he couldn't do it.

Votto didn't even have to move to make the play, he botched it

[kbrake]

But Votto botching and easy play was the problem, the deflected balls are very hard to play.

I just watched the replay and you're right Votto has to make that play.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I'd have to see the play again, all I know is that the ball was there in the hole for BP to grab and he couldn't do it.

For an equally puzzling aspect, they seemed to have Cueto played to pull. (Another reason not to throw that pitch.) He came a long way for it and seemed to rush the play because he knew he had to hit a pitcher in stride covering the bag.

[WVRedsFan]

Cueto just playing around with the Reds. This is going to get ugly pretty quick.

[Tom Servo]

Votto didn't even have to move to make the play, he botched it
I'll watch it! Just saying that BP letting the ball slip away from his glove cost them another run, you could very well be right that Votto should have had it to begin with.

[redsfanmia]

I just watched the replay and you're right Votto has to make that play.
If Phillips makes that play its a good play, Votto makes great plays then kicks easy ones, he gets a pass for being below average defensively

[Ron Madden]

I'd have to see the play again, all I know is that the ball was there in the hole for BP to grab and he couldn't do it.

That's how I saw it too. Would like to see a replay

[redsfanmia]

I'll watch it! Just saying that BP letting the ball slip away from his glove cost them another run, you could very well be right that Votto should have had it to begin with.

From playing lots of second base any ball that gets deflected is a hard play, the trajectory of the ball gets altered and is almost impossible to field.

[Tracy Jones]

Look at that disgustingly tiny crowd for Cueto's return.

Patience from the fanbase is already wearing thin.

[kbrake]

If Phillips makes that play its a good play, Votto makes great plays then kicks easy ones, he gets a pass for being below average defensively

I wouldn't give either one a pass. That's a pretty routine play for BP prior to 2016.

[Tom Servo]

well...Billy tried.

[Tony Cloninger]

That's how I saw it too. Would like to see a replay

Welsh even said...Joey should have had that ball. He was playing on the grass towards almost the middle of 1st and 2nd. It went right under his glove.

[redsfanmia]

I just find it funny that BP gets blamed for kicking a ball that is a routine out for an average first baseman, it's like no one can say anything negative about Votto on this board.

[Tom Servo]

Also I know it doesn't REALLY matter in a rebuilding year, I readily concede that point, but it still pisses me off that Finnegan's ERA is now in the mid 4.00 range. It wouldn't be that high if he were taken out of games when he should be.

[BluegrassRedleg]

well...Billy tried.

Finnegan's pleading was denied.

[kbrake]

I just find it funny that BP gets blamed for kicking a ball that is a routine out for an average first baseman, it's like no one can say anything negative about Votto on this board.

I think it has more to do with BP is known for his defense and it's been stunning how quickly it has gone off a cliff. Votto has earned the benefit of the doubt from many here. I honestly think I must not have been watching the TV until the ball got to BP because the replay was clear that Votto should have had that.

[Kc61]

Finnegan's stuff not looking so sharp today, topping out about 92. Maybe needlessly sending him out for that 7th inning against the Mets was actually (gasp) a really dumb idea!

Finny Looked pretty sharp that inning. Ripped off some nice breaking pitches. Finny sat at 92-93 on the fastball there.

Guess we may need a new story line.

[Tom Servo]

I just find it funny that BP gets blamed for kicking a ball that is a routine out for an average first baseman, it's like no one can say anything negative about Votto on this board.
I think some look too deeply for pro-Votto, anti-Phillips conspiracies. In real time all you see is a ball in the hole that BP doesn't get to. Watching it back, yes, Votto was there and whiffed on it.

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Finny Looked pretty sharp that inning. Ripped off some nice breaking pitches. Finny sat at 92-93 on the fastball there.

Guess we may need a new story line.
Nope, standing by it. :thumbup:

[Tracy Jones]

I just find it funny that BP gets blamed for kicking a ball that is a routine out for an average first baseman, it's like no one can say anything negative about Votto on this board.

Rightly or wrongly, the perception of Votto from Joe and Jane Reds Fan isn't good. In the crowd, in the bar, at work. That's my experience right now.

[redsfanmia]

I think it has more to do with BP is known for his defense and it's been stunning how quickly it has gone off a cliff. Votto has earned the benefit of the doubt from many here. I honestly think I must not have been watching the TV until the ball got to BP because the replay was clear that Votto should have had that.
BP has been struggling for sure. Votto is prone to concentration lapses in the field and on the base paths and yet he is never called out for it, he is a great hitter but has bad baseball instincts imo.

[Tony Cloninger]

Finnegan might not have his best stuff but he does give in and let stuff he cannot control beat him down.

[Tracy Jones]

Also I know it doesn't REALLY matter in a rebuilding year, I readily concede that point, but it still pisses me off that Finnegan's ERA is now in the mid 4.00 range. It wouldn't be that high if he were taken out of games when he should be.

I don't think it's a big deal. You watch him pitch, you know he has something.

[Tom Servo]

3-1 on a nice hit by Billy!

[kbrake]

Absolutely absurd that anyone can turn that into a double.

[Big Klu]

3-1 on a nice hit by Billy!

I like this Billy Hamilton!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Absolutely absurd that anyone can turn that into a double.

Pretty amusing to watch him do that. Fun guy when he's doing things that allow him to use the wheels.

[Tracy Jones]

Billy absolutely looks better than he ever has at the plate right now. Confident.

[Tom Servo]

I don't think it's a big deal. You watch him pitch, you know he has something.
Well you said there is the negative perception among Reds fans you talk to on Votto. Most of my baseball fans that I talk to talk numbers, and so it's disappointing to have to say "I know the numbers don't look great, BUT" instead of being able to point to something concrete.

[Kc61]

Very sorry about the Mes injury. But Barnhart is a very good young player. Reds will have to find a way ultimately to restore or replace Mes's power. But I can easily live with Tucker as primary catcher.

[kbrake]

Billy absolutely looks better than he ever has at the plate right now. Confident.

Yep, as frustrating as the last 3 weeks have been Billy has looked much better this year. He's hit into a lot of tough luck too. Hitting the ball on a line or hard on the ground far more often. Probably going to have to settle for the little victories this year.

[Tom Servo]

Nice AB by De Jesus

[Tracy Jones]

Well you said there is the negative perception among Reds fans you talk to on Votto. Most of my baseball fans that I talk to talk numbers, and so it's disappointing to have to say "I know the numbers don't look great, BUT" instead of being able to point to something concrete.

Yeah but this is Finnegan's 1st year. He'll get a pass for awhile. Plus he stands out compared to most of the rest currently on the club. Votto is a lightning rod for one obvious reason.

[redsfanmia]

Yeah but this is Finnegan's 1st year. He'll get a pass for awhile. Plus he stands out compared to most of the rest currently on the club. Votto is a lightning rod for one obvious reason.

Because he is Canadian?

[kbrake]

Votto yet to see a strike or swing at a pitch yet in a 2 strike count.

[WVRedsFan]

Because he is Canadian?$$

[Tracy Jones]

Yep, as frustrating as the last 3 weeks have been Billy has looked much better this year. He's hit into a lot of tough luck too. Hitting the ball on a line or hard on the ground far more often. Probably going to have to settle for the little victories this year.

He really does. Gives me faith that he can be a vital cog in the future machine. This is a perfect season to find out once and for all if he's an everyday player or not.

[membengal]

Woo hoo!


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[BluegrassRedleg]

Don't retire! :p

[Ron Madden]

Alright Joey!!!! Reds 4 Giants 3

[Tom Servo]

Votto! :jump:

[WVRedsFan]

You can rattle Cueto and Billy did a great job...!!!

[Tony Cloninger]

Votto is going deep here. Cueto has run out of ideas.s

[Tracy Jones]

And then Votto does that

[WrongVerb]

Joey wins.

[kbrake]

Well that was awesome.

[Cannon]

How does he hit a ball that far with his hands half way up the bat? :o

[Raisor]

His name is Joe.

And. He. Is. Canadian!

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Joey wins.

Quiet front runner!

[WVRedsFan]

Call Cueto rattled

[Tracy Jones]

$$

Exactly. Right or wrong, it comes with the territory

[BluegrassRedleg]

Bruce triples in BP.... 5-3 Redlegs.

[Tom Servo]

Bruuuuuuuuuuce

[WrongVerb]

His name is Joe.

And. He. Is. Canadian!

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Quiet front runner!

Hush you! Can't turn my heart from the Reds.

[Tony Cloninger]

Finally things have escalated quickly and it's not for the other team.

[Kc61]

I believe this all Billy. Disruption.

[Tracy Jones]

Is Cueto on the take here tonight? That's gotta feel great for Votto, Phillips, and Bruce

[klw]

Reds hit for the cycle this inning

[membengal]

I believe this all Billy. Disruption.

Was just coming here to note this. Hamilton straight got in cueto's head.

[Cannon]

I kind of feel bad for Cueto.

[Stray]

I will always love Cueto but this is still pretty cool. And I agree with the others about Billy. As much as Cueto can throw hitters off of their game with his various deliveries, Billy can totally break a pitcher's thought process when he's on base.

[Larkin11]

Cueto chants? Really?

[Stray]

Cueto chants? Really?

Yea that's dumb.

[Tracy Jones]

I kind of feel bad for Cueto.

I do too in a way. I love Johnny. I remember seeing him pitch as a 20 year old at Fifth Third. Followed him from that to a near Cy Young. One of my all time faves.

[Tony Cloninger]

Does this mean Joey is not going to retire or he is going to retire and go out like Ted Williams?

[Tom Servo]

I feel empathy for Johnny, I hope he does well in just about all of his starts. I just hope this happens every time he faces the Reds.

[Larkin11]

Yea that's dumb.

I assume those are the same people that do the Ric Flair "Woo!" chants as well.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Jay Bruce - 212
8. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
9. Eric Davis - 203
10. Barry Larkin - 198
11. Joey Votto - 195
12. Vada Pinson - 186
13. Brandon Phillips - 181
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Todd Frazier - 108
25. Dave Parker - 107
26. Chris Sabo - 104
27. Dave Concepcion - 101

[klw]

Some long at bats that inning too. Cueto with 80 pitches to get through 3 innings.

[Chip R]

I do too in a way. I love Johnny. I remember seeing him pitch as a 20 year old at Fifth Third. Followed him from that to a near Cy Young. One of my all time faves.

He's a favorite of mine too and I hope he does well. But he got a ring and a long-term deal with a team who could win it all. So I'm not going to feel too bad for him.

[Tom Servo]

man I hate this little jabroni Tomlinson

[klw]

Hamilton now with 6 doubles. He only had 8 all last year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=hamilt002bil

[Tracy Jones]

He's a favorite of mine too and I hope he does well. But he got a ring and a long-term deal with a team who could win it all. So I'm not going to feel too bad for him.

Lol yeah he'll be just fine. Just feels unnatural to me to root against him.

[Tracy Jones]

Holy shoot! That's pretty nice week there for Ervin.

[Big Klu]

Lol yeah he'll be just fine. Just feels unnatural to me to root against him.

Probably the same way Mets fans felt in the late 70's and early 80's when they faced the Reds and Tom Seaver.

[Tracy Jones]

Probably the same way Mets fans felt in the late 70's and early 80's when they faced the Reds and Tom Seaver.

Definitely. Or the Red Sox with Clemens....when he was with Toronto at least. That all changed I'm sure once he put on the pinstripes

[klw]

Probably the same way Mets fans felt in the late 70's and early 80's when they faced the Reds and Tom Seaver.
Pretty sure there were only like 20 Mets fans during that era.

[membengal]

For godssake - stop with the walks to lead off innings. That's just really frustrating.


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[Tom Servo]

Why are you showing me 2012 NLDS stuff, FS Ohio

[Tracy Jones]

Yeah that's what every Reds fan wants to re-live....Pence's playoff pep talk

[Tracy Jones]

Why are you showing me 2012 NLDS stuff, FS Ohio

No kidding. Why on earth would they show that?

[membengal]

Result of a diligent Internet search for salt into wound.


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[kaldaniels]

Yeah that's what every Reds fan wants to re-live....Pence's playoff pep talk

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AcSO6L7gr24/VUrJcEmWmUI/AAAAAAAAapc/maBdAH1SNL8/s1600/steve%2Bbuscemi%2BMr.%2BDeeds.jpg

[Tracy Jones]

So is there a Johnny Cueto night at GABP in the future? Complete with a Reds HOF induction?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Just got home. Looks like the offense has woken up a bit.

Quick question...any update on Cozart?

[Tracy Jones]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AcSO6L7gr24/VUrJcEmWmUI/AAAAAAAAapc/maBdAH1SNL8/s1600/steve%2Bbuscemi%2BMr.%2BDeeds.jpg

Lol yeah.

"Stay tuned for the 7th inning stretch, where we'll show you Rolen's error and Posey's grand slam!"

[Tom Servo]

Just got home. Looks like the offense has woken up a bit.

Quick question...any update on Cozart?
No damage, just tendinitis. Day-to-day.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Thanks Tom

[membengal]

Nice outing from finnegan again. Just laying down the marker - if they bring him out for the 7th, I would have the bullpen up and ready to come in at first base runner.


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[BluegrassRedleg]

I do too in a way. I love Johnny. I remember seeing him pitch as a 20 year old at Fifth Third. Followed him from that to a near Cy Young. One of my all time faves.

Same here. I was kinda hoping for a 3-2 win kinda game, get the game-winnner off the SF pen.

[Tom Servo]

Homer Bailey mustache alert

[_Sir_Charles_]

Nice outing from finnegan again. Just laying down the marker - if they bring him out for the 7th, I would have the bullpen up and ready to forfeit the remainder of the game.


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Sorry...couldn't resist

[kaldaniels]

Nice outing from finnegan again. Just laying down the marker - if they bring him out for the 7th, I would have the bullpen up and ready to come in at first base runner.


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110 pitches my limit. Seems like a good night to stretch him out a bit. Goes without saying you yank him if you see overexertion/stress etc...

[BluegrassRedleg]

Homer Bailey mustache alert

He needs to go full-Mr. Redlegs with that.

[Big Klu]

So is there a Johnny Cueto night at GABP in the future? Complete with a Reds HOF induction?

I think that Cueto is a lock for an eventual induction into the Reds HOF.

[Tom Servo]

Duvall PHing for Finnegan. Is Price learning a new trick?

[kaldaniels]

Duvall PHing for Finnegan. Is Price learning a new trick?

Can't complain. Scared the pen will blow the W.

[Tom Servo]

Can't complain. Scared the pen will blow the W.
Oh I have little doubt they will, but I also imagine the Finnegan would likely have struggled and possibly blown the lead against the heart of the Gints order, so damned if you do etc

[Tracy Jones]

I think that Cueto is a lock for an eventual induction into the Reds HOF.

Agreed. Best Reds pitcher of at least the last 20 years.

[PuffyPig]

Homer Bailey mustache alert

Apparently Homer Bailey was hunting up here in Alberta last November (IIRC).

A friend's girlfriend says her parents called her up and told her to get back home as Homer was going hunting with her Dad.

She's no baseball fan, but said Homer was quite quiet but seemed nice.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Taking a deep breath...

[Raisor]

Duvall PHing for Finnegan. Is Price learning a new trick?

Each time Finnegan has gone over 100 pitches the next game he has pitched well under. Almost like there is a plan.

[Kc61]

Can't complain. Scared the pen will blow the W.

Price has pushed Finnegan twice this year. Finny's averaged 95.4 pitches before tonight.
He threw 90 tonight.

So this is consistent with the pattern. Finnegan threw pretty well, he was victimized by defense tonight. Settled down after Giants' scoring inning.

Uh oh, the pen!!!

[membengal]

Laying down this marker - no complaints at all about finnegan being pulled. Right decision. Finnegan and his development and health matter more than avoiding a nuclear wasteland bullpen.


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[Big Klu]

J.C. Ramirez in to pitch the seventh for the Reds.

[Rantly]

Homer Bailey mustache alert

Pathetic:laugh:

[Tracy Jones]

JC definitely has the best pure stuff of anybody currently in the pen.

[Tracy Jones]

But just like the rest, he can't locate to save his life.

[Tom Servo]

Was hoping that was just a well struck fly ball off the bat, no such luck.

Well, Posey and Pence won but they haven't scored yet. Don't let them, JC.

[Rantly]

second and third one out for the Giants, bullpen gonna bullpen

[WrongVerb]

I think that Cueto is a lock for an eventual induction into the Reds HOF.

And the crack Reds media staff will still show highlights from 2012 for some reason.

[Tracy Jones]

Sigh....

[Tom Servo]

lol of course

[Big Klu]

20 games in a row that the bullpen has given up at least one run.

[Tom Servo]

honestly tho I can't wait to face the Brewers. It's been like 3 weeks of facing playoff teams, give us a damn cupcake to feel better (or worse if we get blown out).

[Kc61]

Got ahead of Pence, that was the guy to get out. Now trouble.

[Tracy Jones]

But at least Drew Hayes is warming up, ready to slam the door.

[Gandalf the Red]

The Reds' bullpen is the equivalent of the Death Star's thermal exhaust port.
(If the Death Star's thermal exhaust port were about two miles wide.)

[BluegrassRedleg]

Clown show.

[Tom Servo]

C. Trent Rosecrans ‏@ctrent 1m1 minute ago
The 2013 Rockies bullpen also allowed at least one run in 20 consecutive games

Don't worry we are in good company

[Ron Madden]

Line drive shots not a cheap hit this inning

[_Sir_Charles_]

The Reds' bullpen is the equivalent of the Death Star's thermal exhaust port.
If the Death Star's thermal exhaust port were about two miles wide.

Star Killer Base. You're so 70's.

[Tom Servo]

Line drive shots not a cheap hit this inning
Yup. In fairness, they are all good hitters. But you'd think a major league staff could get 3 outs before allowing 3 runs...but you would be wrong.

[Tracy Jones]

Oh good. Here comes Hayes.

10680

[Rantly]

honestly tho I can't wait to face the Brewers. It's been like 3 weeks of facing playoff teams, give us a damn cupcake to feel better (or worse if we get blown out).
Agree...Although you probably just jinxed that series

[Chip R]

But at least Drew Hayes is warming up, ready to slam the door.

In our faces.

[Tom Servo]

I think Drew will at least end the suffering quickly.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Yup. In fairness, they are all good hitters. But you'd think a major league staff could get 3 outs before allowing 3 runs...but you would be wrong.

I think you're confusing the Reds pitching staff with the Blue Wahoo's.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Clown show was too nice.

[Tracy Jones]

Freaking joke

[Ron Madden]

This crap is gettin old

[_Sir_Charles_]

And just like that, it's 8-6 Giants.

cue the "I wanna die" meme.

[WrongVerb]

As I've been saying since the Cueto and Leake trades: the following 162 games were going to be nightmarish for Reds fans. The good news is some good arms aren't that far away, even with some hurts and injuries going on now.

[Stray]

all you can do is laugh at this pen.

[Red Raindog]

As I said in the "bold predictions" thread --- this bullpen will give many chances to drink

[Tracy Jones]

In our faces.

The door on Drew Hayes needs to slam him square in the buttocks on his way back to Louisville

[membengal]

Finnegan was good tonight. Enjoyed watching him pitch again.


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[Tom Servo]

I think Drew will at least end the suffering quickly.
I was right!

Just keep churning man, eventually someone should be able to get hitters out. No more Hayes.

[BluegrassRedleg]

You're giving up 3-run bombs to Brandon F. Crawford, it's time to get on with the next chapter in your life.

[SirFelixCat]

10681

[Cyclone792]

This might be the worst Reds bullpen I've ever seen. It's quite likely worse than any iteration we saw during the Lost Decade.

[Ron Madden]

I'm 62 yrs old and been following the Reds all my life - I can't ever remember a bullpen this bad

[traderumor]

This bullpen is an embarrassment to any GM. I ain't buying the "well its a rebuilding year." This bullpen shows an incompetence level of Dan O'Brien.

[Tom Servo]

You're giving up 3-run bombs to Brandon F. Crawford, it's time to get on with the next chapter in your life.
Crawford is actually a really good hitter now, check the stats

[membengal]

This might be the worst Reds bullpen I've ever seen. It's quite likely worse than any iteration we saw during the Lost Decade.

I am starting to kinda treasure just how bad it is. Like., if you tried , it is hard to assemble a worse bullpen staff.

[CWRed]

I've seen a lot of bullpens in my life. This is not one of them.

To be fair it's probably my fault. I've called 6 homers by this pen this year.

[Gandalf the Red]

The silver lining in all of this is that Nostradamus's predictions about the end of the world were really just describing the Reds' 2016 bullpen.

[Stray]

This is unbelievable lol

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[Tracy Jones]

I don't ever want to hear anybody poo-poo the importance of relievers again.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Y is he not on 2nd base??

[Tracy Jones]

I've seen a lot of bullpens in my life. This is not one of them.

To be fair it's probably my fault. I've called 6 homers by this pen this year.

You wanna impress? Call an inning where this pen doesn't give up a homer

[CarolinaRedleg]

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[_Sir_Charles_]

I'm 62 yrs old and been following the Reds all my life - I can't ever remember a bullpen this bad

The '04 pen could be in the discussion I'd think.

[BluegrassRedleg]

This might be the worst Reds bullpen I've ever seen. It's quite likely worse than any iteration we saw during the Lost Decade.

I date back to 70s, and it's not even close. The Lost Decade teams actually had some decent bullpen guys. Starters were always the bigger issue, then you'd have a pen with no gas left in the dog days of Summer.

[Ron Madden]

The '04 pen could be in the discussion I'd think.

No

Never seen anything this bad

[Rantly]

The shift is killing Joey right now.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Crawford is actually a really good hitter now, check the stats

Assuming you mean the career year he pulled out of his rear end last season. He's futile.

[Kc61]

This is why you have to devote some of your better prospect arms to the pen. Or spend for good veteran relievers. The scrap heap theory of bullpen construction gets you this.

[Tracy Jones]

No

Never seen anything this bad

I agree. There's nothing there that should be in the major leagues.

Wood? Maybe?

[Gandalf the Red]

I'm starting to think it'd be cool if Fox Sports Ohio started offering an alternate channel simultaneously showing the equivalent game from the 1990 season.

[_Sir_Charles_]

No

Never seen anything this bad

Agreed. But I meant as a point of reference for comparison. Granted, that was a full season compared to one month. But outside of this pen, '04 was the worst one I could recall.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Phillips has lost numerous steps not just one

[Tom Servo]

Agreed. But I meant as a point of reference for comparison. Granted, that was a full season compared to one month. But outside of this pen, '04 was the worst one I could recall.

06 was pretty horrific as well with Chris Hammond, Rick White, Todd Coffey, Gary Majewski, etc.

[Tracy Jones]

Looked out to me

[_Sir_Charles_]

06 was pretty horrific as well with Chris Hammond, Rick White, Todd Coffey, Gary Majewski, etc.

Majewski all by himself could make someone consider a bullpen horrific.

[Cyclone792]

The '04 pen could be in the discussion I'd think.

I was curious so I looked.

ERA a full run higher in 2016, before adjusting to league.

2016 bullpen strikes out more hitters, but they're walking more guys and giving up homers at a much greater rate than in 2004.

[CarolinaRedleg]

2016 Reds bullpen in image form:

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[Stray]

I wouldn't be mad if Price randomly went postal about a review he'd prolly lose. Sucks to watch this pen....can't imagine managing it.

[Tom Servo]

Assuming you mean the career year he pulled out of his rear end last season. He's futile.
If you just counted his 2011-2014 stats, he's still slightly better than Cozart's career numbers.

Don't know why we need to put down another team's All-Star SS in order to insult the chaff in our bullpen.

[_Sir_Charles_]

I was curious so I looked.

ERA a full run higher in 2016, before adjusting to league.

2016 bullpen strikes out more hitters, but they're walking more guys and giving up homers at a much greater rate than in 2004.

All true. But even for as bad as this bullpen is...I don't think even THIS PEN can keep up this pace over a full season.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

How many late inning debacles have there already been when finnigan is pitching

[Kc61]

Agreed. But I meant as a point of reference for comparison. Granted, that was a full season compared to one month. But outside of this pen, '04 was the worst one I could recall.

One month, six months, this pen is toast.

Just look at the backs of their baseball cards.

A guy like Hayes has a nice spring but you have to look at his history. JC Ramirez, a good start, but he is constantly moving from team to team. Waived guys, a pitcher who went 1-10 two years ago.

It's rebuilding, sure, but the Reds need to devote better assets to the pen. Period.

[Roy Tucker]

I got offered free tickets for this weekend. I said no.

[Rantly]

Agreed. But I meant as a point of reference for comparison. Granted, that was a full season compared to one month. But outside of this pen, '04 was the worst one I could recall.

Just looked up the 2004 bullpen stats. For the life of me I cannot remember Phil Norton and he pitched 69 games in 2004.

[Tom Servo]

I got offered free tickets for this weekend. I said no.
Damn Roy, rubbing it in the face of those of us less fortunate and everything.

[Tracy Jones]

06 was pretty horrific as well with Chris Hammond, Rick White, Todd Coffey, Gary Majewski, etc.

Was nothing like this. Weathers had an ERA+ of 133. Coffey and Belisle 131. Mercker 114. Bray 112. Wasn't good obviously, but it spits on this current group

[Gandalf the Red]

Just looked up the 2004 bullpen stats. For the life of me I cannot remember Phil Norton and he pitched 69 games in 2004.

Nothing to be embarrassed about; I think that guy ended up making most of his money selling computer anti-virus software.

[BluegrassRedleg]

If you just counted his 2011-2014 stats, he's still slightly better than Cozart's career numbers.

Don't know why we need to put down another team's All-Star SS in order to insult the chaff in our bullpen.

That ain't sayin' much. ;)

He helped me go to my FBB championship last year, though, so I appreciated his out-of-body experience.

[Tom Servo]

Was nothing like this. Weathers had an ERA+ of 133. Coffey and Belisle 131. Mercker 114. Bray 112. Wasn't good obviously, but it spits on this current group
Oh this group is awful, probably worse, but the biggest difference to me is that I actually believed that 2006 could be pretty good if not for the bullpen. This isn't a winning team, bullpen or not. The 2006 bullpen broke my heart every damn night.

[Cyclone792]

All true. But even for as bad as this bullpen is...I don't think even THIS PEN can keep up this pace over a full season.

Maybe that'll give us a new goal to root for this year. :lol:

Reds bullpen has given up 22 homers in 94 innings. That's current as of now. That's a HR/9 rate of 2.11.

By comparison, Eric Milton's HR/9 rate in 2005 was 1.93. This bullpen gives up homers at a worse rate than Milton's worst season, so we got that going for us.

[Tracy Jones]

Oh this group is awful, probably worse, but the biggest difference to me is that I actually believed that 2006 could be pretty good if not for the bullpen. This isn't a winning team, bullpen or not. The 2006 bullpen broke my heart every damn night.

Yep. A year where just 84 wins would've gotten us a division title. Remember it very well.

[Roy Tucker]

Hayes has a funny motion.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Drew hayes looks flat disinterested

[757690]

Maybe that'll give us a new goal to root for this year. :lol:

Reds bullpen has given up 22 homers in 94 innings. That's current as of now. That's a HR/9 rate of 2.11.

By comparison, Eric Milton's HR/9 rate in 2005 was 1.93. This bullpen gives up homers at a worse rate than Milton's worst season, so we got that going for us.

That's impressive research, no matter how sad the data is.

[Ron Madden]

Maybe that'll give us a new goal to root for this year. :lol:

Reds bullpen has given up 22 homers in 94 innings. That's current as of now. That's a HR/9 rate of 2.11.

By comparison, Eric Milton's HR/9 rate in 2005 was 1.93. This bullpen gives up homers at a worse rate than Milton's worst season, so we got that going for us.

Plain Pitiful

[Cyclone792]

Oh this group is awful, probably worse, but the biggest difference to me is that I actually believed that 2006 could be pretty good if not for the bullpen. This isn't a winning team, bullpen or not. The 2006 bullpen broke my heart every damn night.

Coffey was a workhorse early in the year in 2006. And then Narron kept taking Coffey to the well, and he wore down throughout the season. Once August rolled around, those guys had been Majewski'd.

[Tracy Jones]

Drew hayes looks flat disinterested

You misspelled terrible

[CWRed]

Why is Hayes still in the....Oh Hoover.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Hoover in the bullpen....lol

[Tom Servo]

"I understand it's a rebuild, but there's no excusing this bullpen" comments are weird to me. Like, you know rebuilding involves losing a lot of games, right guys? Quickest way to lose is by giving up a lot of runs.

Of course I want to jettison these dudes and find new ones. And I am sure they will, some who may be better (god willing) and some who may be worse (if you can imagine). But c'mon, it's not like we have this World Series team that is just being held back by the JC Ramirez's and Drew Hayes' of the world.

TL;DR version: Yeah, this sucks, not gonna try to convince you otherwise. But the alternative of losing slightly less games isn't exactly Buckingham Palace. The Reds never tried to fool you into thinking this was anything besides a losing year.

[Red Raindog]

Maybe that'll give us a new goal to root for this year. :lol:

Reds bullpen has given up 22 homers in 94 innings. That's current as of now. That's a HR/9 rate of 2.11.

By comparison, Eric Milton's HR/9 rate in 2005 was 1.93. This bullpen gives up homers at a worse rate than Milton's worst season, so we got that going for us.

For just mentioning the pitcher who shall not be named here -- you are out of my will

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Quick guess on score by time hoover is done....12 to 6

[CWRed]

Some bad luck in this game but...Bryan Price: killing young pitcher's confidence, 2-3 too many batters at a time.

[Roy Tucker]

"I understand it's a rebuild, but there's no excusing this bullpen" comments are weird to me. Like, you know rebuilding involves losing a lot of games, right guys? Quickest way to lose is by giving up a lot of runs.

Of course I want to jettison these dudes and find new ones. And I am sure they will, some who may be better (god willing) and some who may be worse (if you can imagine). But c'mon, it's not like we have this World Series team that is just being held back by the JC Ramirez's and Drew Hayes' of the world.

TL;DR version: Yeah, this sucks, not gonna try to convince you otherwise. But the alternative of losing slightly less games isn't exactly Buckingham Palace. The Reds never tried to fool you into thinking this was anything besides a losing year.

That makes me feel a lot better.

[Ron Madden]

"I understand it's a rebuild, but there's no excusing this bullpen" comments are weird to me. Like, you know rebuilding involves losing a lot of games, right guys? Quickest way to lose is by giving up a lot of runs.

Of course I want to jettison these dudes and find new ones. And I am sure they will, some who may be better (god willing) and some who may be worse (if you can imagine). But c'mon, it's not like we have this World Series team that is just being held back by the JC Ramirez's and Drew Hayes' of the world.

TL;DR version: Yeah, this sucks, not gonna try to convince you otherwise. But the alternative of losing slightly less games isn't exactly Buckingham Palace. The Reds never tried to fool you into thinking this was anything besides a losing year.

I hear ya Tom and I agree.. but watchin this bullpen burns my eyes..

[BluegrassRedleg]

The Eric Milton stat made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.

[jpurdy974]

20 games in a row that the bullpen has given up at least one run.

Could we please petition the powers to be to change the game to 5 innings. We might win a few that way with no bullpen.

[Tom Servo]

That makes me feel a lot better.
Hey, I'd love, love, love to go to a Reds game in Cincinnati. I'd even pay money and everything. :)

[Tracy Jones]

Some bad luck in this game but...Bryan Price: killing young pitcher's confidence, 2-3 too many batters at a time.

Uh...what?

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

As bad as we were supposed to be....we have been in so many winnable games if it wasnt for this abortion of a bullpen

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Will clark kent go deep on us

[Red Raindog]

Aren't Tuesday the Two-Fer day -- as in 2 DFA's for the price of one? --- Hoover & Simon -- I'm talking about you

[Roy Tucker]

Hey, I'd love, love, love to go to a Reds game in Cincinnati. I'd even pay money and everything. :)

I think I've told the story before, but I had full season tickets in the 1982 season. I got a lifetime dose of losing in one season. 81 stinkin' games.

Got to be good friends with the beer guy though. Drank gallons of Hudey. Waxed paper cups.

[Tracy Jones]

The sad thing about Hoover is that once upon a time, he was a good pitcher. And it wasn't that long ago.

[Tom Servo]

Hoover still has as many walks as strikeouts this season.

[CWRed]

Always leaves pitchers in too long. Hayes shouldn't have started the 9th. Had a decent 8th and 30 pitches. Get him out and let Hoover allow 9 runs. :-)

[Big Klu]

This bullpen:

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[Tracy Jones]

Always leaves pitchers in too long. Hayes shouldn't have started the 9th. Had a decent 8th and 30 pitches. Get him out and let Hoover allow 9 runs. :-)

He had a decent 8th?