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757690
05-16-2016, 02:05 PM
10804

Another start in CF for Peraza

Fight Doctor as DH

Big Klu
05-16-2016, 02:18 PM
Would have preferred Duvall as the DH, with Holt starting in the OF (either in LF, or in CF with Peraza in LF). Cleveland has a big outfield, and Holt has some experience playing there.

texasdave
05-16-2016, 02:29 PM
Billy Hamilton is back off the Bereavement List. Drew Hayes has been sent back down to Louisville.

texasdave
05-16-2016, 02:32 PM
Jordan Pacheco is DHing. .200/.314/.514. Somewhere Soft J is smiling. I am guessing the 0-6 over the last 4 days, with 4 Ks, tipped the scales in his favor. Why is Pacheco on the team again?

Strikes Out Looking
05-16-2016, 03:09 PM
Billy Hamilton is back off the Bereavement List. Drew Hayes has been sent back down to Louisville.

Then why is he sitting on the bench? We will never know if he is going to reach his potential unless he gets more playing time.

LoganBuck
05-16-2016, 03:30 PM
Jordan Pacheco is DHing. .200/.314/.514. Somewhere Silent J is smiling. I am guessing the 0-6 over the last 4 days, with 4 Ks, tipped the scales in his favor. Why is Pacheco on the team again?

Because he allegedly can catch and is the third catcher to spell Mesoraco, or something like that. That was the party line in March.

RedTeamGo!
05-16-2016, 03:46 PM
Go Reds against the worst mascot in sports!

Kc61
05-16-2016, 04:46 PM
Would have preferred Duvall as the DH, with Holt starting in the OF (either in LF, or in CF with Peraza in LF). Cleveland has a big outfield, and Holt has some experience playing there.

According to UZR ratings, Duvall is first among left fielders defensively this year. Positive 4.7 UZR.

Jay Bruce has a -7.6 UZR which is 46th in the NL for right fielders.

Who should be the DH?

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 05:51 PM
Just a reminder tonight's game starts at 6:10

wheels
05-16-2016, 05:59 PM
Why so early?

NBA Playoffs thing?

malcontent
05-16-2016, 06:03 PM
Go Reds against the worst mascot in sports!
Gapper says hi.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 06:05 PM
Why so early?

NBA Playoffs thing?


http://www.700wlw.com/onair/lance-mcalister-7818/the-indians-do-this-what-if-14713616/

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:10 PM
Just a reminder tonight's game starts at 6:10
what da hail

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 06:14 PM
what da hail

http://www.espn1530.com/onair/lance-mcalister-7818/the-indians-do-this-what-if-14713616/

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:15 PM
DatDude2B! After Votto walked on four pitches.

1-0 Redlegs

Donder
05-16-2016, 06:17 PM
Brandon you nincompoop.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:17 PM
"Brandon running!"
"Why?"

I love me some Chris Welsh, saying what we're all thinking. Reds run themselves out of any further runs in the inning.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 06:18 PM
Votto walks with two outs, scores on a double by Phillips. Phillips picked off.
1-0 Good Guys. middle of the 1st.

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 06:22 PM
Probably the dumbest base running decision I've seen this season.

kaldaniels
05-16-2016, 06:23 PM
Checking in on Bruce...

Slightly above average at the plate this year, but ungodly bad in the field. -9 UZR already.

Now the UZR happened, so while it may not be accurate in defining his defense, the -9 happened. For perspective if he kept that up all year it would be twice as bad as the worst defender in the league last year.

That said, can we put to bed the notion that he is even an average defender...he is not.

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Probably the dumbest base running decision I've seen this season.

I love Brandon, but then there is the poop-eating grin he shared with Uribe after the play. Could do without that after such a dumb play.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:26 PM
Now the UZR happened, so while it may not be accurate in defining his defense, the -9 happened. For perspective if he kept that up all year it would be twice as bad as the worst defender in the league last year.

That said, can we put to bed the notion that he is even an average defender...he is not.

Have to agree, he's gotten real bad.

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Nice inning from Lamb, a base hit but only 12 pitches total in the inning.

kaldaniels
05-16-2016, 06:27 PM
Lamb should have gotten a tan before his headshot for MLB was taken this year.

He pasty.

(I think it was the exposure/flash on the shot actually)

kaldaniels
05-16-2016, 06:29 PM
Have to agree, he's gotten real bad.

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Nice inning from Lamb, a base hit but only 12 pitches total in the inning.

Napoli, a veteran RHB, looked lost.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:31 PM
Duvall! :jump:

2-0 Redlegs

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 06:31 PM
The Louisville Slugger Adam Duvall goes Deep!!!

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:31 PM
Duvall says "I'll walk when I'm dead."

Peraza single

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 06:32 PM
Duvall's going to wind up with a nice HR total this season at this rate. Never thought he'd have 7 by mid-May.


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kaldaniels
05-16-2016, 06:32 PM
Bad pitch location on the HR despite Welsh saying that's where Gomes wanted it.

Just a touch out of the zone (high) is asking for trouble.

JKam
05-16-2016, 06:32 PM
Why was Duvall not playing in SF? He's been more than adequate since he's arrived in Cincy.

'69
05-16-2016, 06:33 PM
Lamb should have gotten a tan before his headshot for MLB was taken this year.

He pasty.

(I think it was the exposure/flash on the shot actually)

Looks like he could eat some lamb, he's skinnier than Arroyo.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:34 PM
Why was Duvall not playing in SF? He's been more than adequate since he's arrived in Cincy.
No spot for him, and he somewhat unfairly got the quad A label primarily due to his age without ever having a real chance in the majors.

I'm really not too surprised by what he's doing so far given his minor league HR totals. Dude can mash extra base hits.

Chuckie
05-16-2016, 06:36 PM
Duvall is The Dude.

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 06:38 PM
If Duvall can raise his walk rate to a more acceptable level, he could be a force.

Peraza has a nice smooth swing.

Fil3232
05-16-2016, 06:40 PM
I'm excited to see more of Peraza

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:42 PM
Yesiree!

Two rock solid innings so far for Lamb.

tomnuetten
05-16-2016, 06:45 PM
suarez :)

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 06:46 PM
A. Hugh Suarez with a 2-run bomb to CF.

'69
05-16-2016, 06:46 PM
Thom sounds rough

Suaraz homers 4-0 Reds

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:46 PM
Suarez! :jump:

4-0 Redlegs!

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 06:46 PM
Suarez swats another dinger!!!!
4-0 Reds

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:46 PM
I often forget that Cody Anderson and Chase Anderson are different people and what I like about both of them is that neither one is very good.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 06:47 PM
I often forget that Cody Anderson and Chase Anderson are different people and what I like about both of them is that neither one is very good.

Gotta be related to Jimmy Anderson.

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 06:47 PM
Keep Suarez in the two hole.

Two straight days he's crushed a HR to dead center. Kid can hit. I'm not worried about him.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:49 PM
Votto didn't miss that one by a lot.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 06:52 PM
Bruce beats the shift with a single to left

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:52 PM
eat shift and die!

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 06:58 PM
I wouldn't give Byrd anything high and outside again, John.

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 06:59 PM
How did they credit him with a hit? Seriously?

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:00 PM
Ugh. Byrd single, and Uribe with a dribbler to Cozart, Votto unable to scoop the throw, so Byrd goes to third.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:01 PM
4-1 Reds as Davis singles in a run.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:01 PM
Rajai Davis singles to drive in a run. Still no outs.

4-1 game

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:02 PM
Good play by Suarez on the sacrifice

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 07:02 PM
I've yet to see Lamb throw his best pitch in this game. Fastball after fastball to fastball hitter Marlon Byrd.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 07:02 PM
Good play by Suarez!

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:02 PM
Thought Kipnis was reaching for sure on that, great play by Geno

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 07:03 PM
That was ugly!

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:03 PM
Oh no, Jose...

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:03 PM
4-3 on a ball over Peraza's head. Hamilton would have had that ball most likely

Red Raindog
05-16-2016, 07:04 PM
This is a new thing this year-- some lousy defense from a Reds team

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 07:04 PM
Lamb has been screwed this inning.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:04 PM
That was not a particularly good pitch by Lamb. And Jose is not a CFer.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:05 PM
Lamb has been screwed this inning.
He has, but of course strikeouts are the best way to avoid the wrath of the baseball gods.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:06 PM
The 4 run lead disappears in a hurry. Tie game.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 07:06 PM
Ugh...

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:06 PM
http://i.imgur.com/mIFs0xN.jpg

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 07:07 PM
If Lamb's thumb isn't healthy enough to throw anything other than the fastball then maybe he shouldn't have started.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:09 PM
If Lamb's thumb isn't healthy enough to throw anything other than the fastball then maybe he shouldn't have started.
Putting the young infielder who has played only six games in the outfield in his entire career out in CF didn't seem like the smartest move either.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:12 PM
leadoff hit by Peraza

malcontent
05-16-2016, 07:12 PM
4-3 on a ball over Peraza's head. Hamilton would have had that ball most likely
Easily.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 07:12 PM
Peraza with another hit to lead off the inning.

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2016, 07:12 PM
Oh well. That's what these games are for. Glad The Golden Goose is actually playing and that Eugene appears to be back in the swing of things.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:14 PM
Tough luck as Pacheco lines right back to the pitcher into a 1-3 DP

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 07:14 PM
Jordan Pacheco is one of the worst players the Reds have had in a while.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:14 PM
Pacheco line drive to the pitcher and Peraza was running. Of course.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:15 PM
Jordan Pacheco is one of the worst players the Reds have had in a while.
Oh OBM, how quickly you forget Brennan Boesch, Neftali Soto, Jack Hannahan, and Mike Costanzo.

The Fight Doctor is pretty lousy though.

kaldaniels
05-16-2016, 07:16 PM
Bruce. Duvall. Suarez.

Can the Reds get a hairdresser? Those guys seems to love that wavy hair look. Boo.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:19 PM
Leadoff double by Ramirez

757690
05-16-2016, 07:19 PM
Oh OBM, how quickly you forget Brennan Boesch, Neftali Soto, Jack Hannahan, and Mike Costanzo.

The Fight Doctor is pretty lousy though.

There is a reason why they are all bench guys. If they were good, they wouldn't be riding the pine.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:20 PM
Lamb doesn't seem to have any putaway pitch today.

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2016, 07:20 PM
Lamb is starting to discourage me.

tomnuetten
05-16-2016, 07:21 PM
Bruce. Duvall. Suarez.

Can the Reds get a hairdresser? Those guys seems to love that wavy hair look. Boo.

if he can pitch ....

kaldaniels
05-16-2016, 07:21 PM
Lamb doesn't seem to have any putaway pitch today.

I was thinking the same. Bad luck last inning. But you can avert some of that when you can K a guy or 2.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:21 PM
Bruce. Duvall. Suarez.

Can the Reds get a hairdresser? Those guys seems to love that wavy hair look. Boo.
Suarez and Duvall have excellent hair and I refuse to hear otherwise.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:22 PM
Fly out to center moves the runner to 3rd. 2 outs.

'69
05-16-2016, 07:22 PM
Bruce. Duvall. Suarez.

Can the Reds get a hairdresser? Those guys seems to love that wavy hair look. Boo.

Bruce needs a beard.

'69
05-16-2016, 07:23 PM
Lamb will be fine. In the bullpen.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:24 PM
Davis walks. 1st and 3rd

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:24 PM
Lamb is starting to discourage me.
He doesn't look it, but he is still young. Would be nice if he could get past these various bumps and bruises he seems to accumulate.


But he can't get Rajai Davis out to save his life.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 07:26 PM
Got Him!!!

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2016, 07:26 PM
Is his velo down or is 88-90 his norm?

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:26 PM
Kipnis singles to center. 5-4 Indians. Davis tries to score all the way from 1st and is thrown out at the plate. I hate to say it but I am not sure Cabrera ever made the tag

kaldaniels
05-16-2016, 07:26 PM
Too many bought into Lambs 10K/9 in his SSS from last year.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 07:27 PM
Here we go with MLB Dumb Dumb Delay once again...

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 07:27 PM
Sweet! Another fastball after Kipnis swung through an earlier changeup.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:27 PM
Is his velo down or is 88-90 his norm?
Down. 91.1 average last year, 89.4 so far this year.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:28 PM
This is not going to go the Reds way. 6-4 Indians. He missed the tag.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 07:28 PM
Damn!!!

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 07:29 PM
WTH is Thom talking about with the tag??? It dosn't matter if h didn't touch the plate. LOL

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:29 PM
Too many bought into Lambs 10K/9 in his SSS from last year.
I agree, but I don't think today is a particularly good representation of him either.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:30 PM
I think his foot did drag across the base.

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Another hit on a hit and run. This is going downhill fast

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 07:31 PM
And the hits just keep on comin'

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:31 PM
When pitching to contact goes wrong.

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2016, 07:32 PM
Ugly, ugly outing for a guy that didn't need one.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:32 PM
7-4 on another hit

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:32 PM
Good lord, just take him out already.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 07:32 PM
Let the annual interleague embarrassment begin...

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2016, 07:33 PM
Just freaking leave him in there. The bullpen damned sure won't help matters.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:34 PM
Lamb without his breaking stuff is essentially David Holmberg. Pretty dumb to send him out there if he can't throw his pitches.

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 07:34 PM
Guess it's time to watch something else. Rookie infielder as CF, pitcher with no velocity, catcher who can't control his pitcher--not good!

'69
05-16-2016, 07:35 PM
Yikes.

TheBigLebowski
05-16-2016, 07:35 PM
Lamb without his breaking stuff is essentially David Holmberg. Pretty dumb to send him out there if he can't throw his pitches.

The possibility that he might be pitching injured is the only "positive" hope I have for him at this point, as contradictory as that seems on paper.

'69
05-16-2016, 07:36 PM
Guess it's time to watch something else. Rookie infielder as CF, pitcher with no velocity, catcher who can't control his pitcher--not good!

That last part...just Chris bloviating as usual.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:36 PM
Let Lamb get his strength back in AAA, sign John Danks or someone to eat innings. Having kids throw at less than 100% accomplishes nothing.

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 07:37 PM
Good lord, just take him out already.Price's philosophy is letting youngsters learn to deal with adversity. Just proves winning doesn't matter this year.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 07:37 PM
Lamb without his breaking stuff is essentially David Holmberg. Pretty dumb to send him out there if he can't throw his pitches.

Or maybe he's just not very good.

#occumsrazor

'69
05-16-2016, 07:38 PM
I think Lamb has had one start including 2015 where he didn't implode around the 4th inning. I think he will be fine in the bullpen. Need a another LH pitcher there as it is.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:38 PM
Hit for Suarez. 5 hits in the last 2 days

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 07:39 PM
Suarez is swingin a hot bat!
Votto follows with a double walking Phillips to get to Bruce.
Bases loaded.

C'MOM JAY!!!

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:39 PM
Votto doubles off the wall in left. 2nd and 3rd

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 07:40 PM
That was a classic Votto swing. Woulda been way out in GABP.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:40 PM
Or maybe he's just not very good.

#occumsrazor
Look, I'm not even a huge Lamb fan, I thought it was silly how high he was ranked in our prospects list this offseason. But clearly this isn't him at his best, and the Reds KNEW he had an issue with his thumb and still sent him out there anyway. It was dumb.

I generally agree that he likely profiles best in the bullpen.

tomnuetten
05-16-2016, 07:40 PM
looks like a grand slam is coming :)

kaldaniels
05-16-2016, 07:40 PM
Or maybe he's just not very good.

#occumsrazor

I like him but Occam's razor did come to mind. He was the third man in the Cueto trade. Can't expect that guy (#3 guy in deal) to be a rotation force.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 07:40 PM
I think Lamb has had one start whre he didn't implode around the 4th inning. I think he will be fine in the bullpen. Need a another LH pitcher there as it is.

That's what I think too. I don't now or ever have seen him as a long term solution in the rotation. Let him go an inning at a time though, and he could be effective.

'69
05-16-2016, 07:41 PM
Let Lamb get his strength back in AAA, sign John Danks or someone to eat innings. Having kids throw at less than 100% accomplishes nothing.

As much as this team has infinite patience for rehab I seriously doubt he's not healthy.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 07:41 PM
Not exactly a pitching clinic tonight for either team.

'69
05-16-2016, 07:44 PM
Let's go JB

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:44 PM
Kyle Crockett in to pitch

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 07:45 PM
I like him but Occam's razor did come to mind. He was the third man in the Cueto trade. Can't expect that guy (#3 guy in deal) to be a rotation force.

I like him too...just not as a rotation option. The injury history was a huge red flag for me before I ever saw him throw a pitch. Like somebody said earlier, he always seems to implode somewhere between innings 4-6. (After being pretty effective early) As soon as more/better options are available, Lamb is going to the pen if I was calling the shots. Wouldn't hesitate for a second.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:47 PM
I like him too...just not as a rotation option. The injury history was a huge red flag for me before I ever saw him throw a pitch. Like somebody said earlier, he always seems to implode somewhere between innings 4-6. (After being pretty effective early) As soon as more/better options are available, Lamb is going to the pen if I was calling the shots. Wouldn't hesitate for a second.
Fair enough, I don't disagree with any of that. I just think sending him out though when he (clearly) can't throw his stuff properly was a pretty bad idea, for both the pitcher and the team.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:48 PM
Bloop hit to left for Bruce. 7-6 Indians

NC Reds
05-16-2016, 07:48 PM
Bruuuuce

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 07:49 PM
Bruce 2 run single!!!!
7-6

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 07:49 PM
Really nice AB by Bruce!

7-6 game on the single

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 07:49 PM
Lol better to be lucky than good sometimes. Nice work Jay.

WrongVerb
05-16-2016, 07:49 PM
Did Bruce choke up with 2 strikes?

'69
05-16-2016, 07:49 PM
Bruce against a lefty sidewinder, hell yeah

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 07:50 PM
Bruce beats the shift and Francona's plan doesn't work. Might be an 11-10 game!

7-6. middle of the 5th

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:52 PM
4-3 DP. 7-6 Indians mid 5th

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 07:54 PM
I hate Adelman's mustache. Looks like he's in Color Me Badd

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 07:55 PM
Somsen in to pitch

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Leadoff bloop hit to center

WrongVerb
05-16-2016, 07:55 PM
I guess the question is can the bullpen hold the Tribe to 7 runs?

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 07:56 PM
Somsen acting like fodder. Three pitches, two hard hits.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 07:57 PM
Two Singles to lead off the Indian 5th.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 07:57 PM
Somsen acting like fodder. Three pitches, two hard hits.

The first hit was the antithesis of hard

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 08:01 PM
2 outs as Uribe flies out.

RedsfaninMT
05-16-2016, 08:01 PM
Gamecast says 49MPH curve. Is that accurate???

Cooper
05-16-2016, 08:04 PM
It was clear that Lamb had no curve ball. On a losing team I think it best that the manager protect players and have them feel good about themselves as much as one can do. I've never felt Price ever did that...especially w pitchers. He seems to wait till they fail until he reacts. I'd rather he error on the side of protecting his starters. Half those guys in the BP are going to be here anyway.

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 08:05 PM
The first hit was the antithesis of hardYeah. Wondering if anyone caught that. second one was hard though. He's on the verge of getting out of it. Davis walks and the bases are loaded. Brutal.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 08:05 PM
walk loads the bases

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:05 PM
For god's sake somebody get Rajai Davis to make an out.

RedsfaninMT
05-16-2016, 08:06 PM
Does Somsen throw a 49 MPH curve, as per GameCast?

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:06 PM
Does Somsen throw a 49 MPH curve, as per GameCast?
No

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:06 PM
Yeah. Wondering if anyone caught that. second one was hard though. He's on the verge of getting out of it. Davis walks and the bases are loaded. Brutal.

Definitely. The Ramirez hit was a rocket.

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 08:07 PM
Good job to get out of that. Kipnis strikes out swinging.

NC Reds
05-16-2016, 08:07 PM
For our bullpen that counts as a clean inning.

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 08:07 PM
23 pitches for our young pitcher, but no damage done.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:07 PM
Nice job there by Somsen

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 08:07 PM
Good Job by Somsen to get out of his own mess.

'69
05-16-2016, 08:08 PM
Good work by Somsen to get out of the inning with no runs.

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 08:09 PM
For god's sake somebody get Rajai Davis to make an out.Did someone in Cincy do something to him? He looks like he's hacked off at the world up at bat.

'69
05-16-2016, 08:09 PM
For our bullpen that counts as a clean inning.

With a pen ERA of 6+ it sure does!

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 08:12 PM
Pacheco as DH? He of the .189 average? Words fail me

Reds Fanatic
05-16-2016, 08:12 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 in the 6th

RedsfaninMT
05-16-2016, 08:12 PM
Last try...last inning GameCast credited Somsen with a 49 MPH curve. Does he have such a pitch? If so, Bill Lee would be proud...and I am glad the Indians don't have Tony Perez.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:15 PM
Pacheco as DH? He of the .189 average? Words fail me

He's hit the ball hard twice tonight. You can't use Barnhart, so who else is there? Dejesus maybe. But he's not exactly Barry Bonds either.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 08:15 PM
Seems to me the Reds have had some pretty weak DH's the past few years.
Like since 1976.

757690
05-16-2016, 08:16 PM
Reds might have Somsen with this Layne guy in the pen.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:16 PM
Last try...last inning GameCast credited Somsen with a 49 MPH curve. Does he have such a pitch? If so, Bill Lee would be proud...and I am glad the Indians don't have Tony Perez.

No he has not thrown a 49 mph pitch tonight. Nowhere close to 49 mph.

'69
05-16-2016, 08:16 PM
He's hit the ball hard twice tonight. You can't use Barnhart, so who else is there? Dejesus maybe. But he's not exactly Barry Bonds either.

Holt

RedsfaninMT
05-16-2016, 08:16 PM
No he has not thrown a 49 mph pitch tonight. Nowhere close to 49 mph.

Thank you!

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:17 PM
Seems to me the Reds have had some pretty weak DH's the past few years.
Like since 1976.

Oh come on! Champ Summers could rake!

Who'd they use in 90 in Oakland? Don't remember. Braggs?

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:18 PM
Holt
Yeah if you want to give Billy a day to get back into the swing then Holt in CF and Peraza at DH would have made sense.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 08:18 PM
Last try...last inning GameCast credited Somsen with a 49 MPH curve. Does he have such a pitch? If so, Bill Lee would be proud...and I am glad the Indians don't have Tony Perez.

Sorry I didn't see that pitch

JKam
05-16-2016, 08:19 PM
Somsen's cutter looks a little quicker than 89mph to me. If he can get his curve over for strikes, he could be good.

RedsfaninMT
05-16-2016, 08:20 PM
Sorry I didn't see that pitch

I can guarantee you that Doggie's eyes lit up on the eephus pitch from Bill Lee.

'69
05-16-2016, 08:20 PM
I thought the Indians offense was in this prolonged funk?

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:21 PM
Ballgame

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 08:21 PM
10-6 Indians :(

The Operator
05-16-2016, 08:21 PM
God this bullpen is awful

JKam
05-16-2016, 08:21 PM
However, same results as the rest of our relievers.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:22 PM
welp

Chuckie
05-16-2016, 08:22 PM
There goes our playoff hopes.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:22 PM
That might have been the worst 0-2 pitch in baseball history.

The Operator
05-16-2016, 08:22 PM
I thought the Indians offense was in this bad funk?Reds bullpen is like CPR for struggling hitters.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:22 PM
That might have been the worst 0-2 pitch in baseball history.
An unfortunate trend with Reds pitchers.

Knightro28
05-16-2016, 08:23 PM
I honestly don't think Somsen is that bad... Just being left to the wolves by Price trying to get thru innings. 44 pitches from a reliever? YIKES

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:24 PM
If I wanted to be snarky I could bring up the theory someone had that Somsen was purposely being held down in AAA because he was too good and went against the tanking plan.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 08:24 PM
I can guarantee you that Doggie's eyes lit up on the eephus pitch from Bill Lee.

I did see that pitch... don't think that thing has ever came back down

The Operator
05-16-2016, 08:25 PM
I've honestly never seen a bullpen this bad in my life.

Not a single reliable arm in there.

'69
05-16-2016, 08:25 PM
Somsen 50 pitches in 1.1 innings

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:25 PM
An unfortunate trend with Reds pitchers.

It really is. If they're not walking guys, they're serving up meatballs on pitcher's counts regularly. It can't be understated how bad this pen is.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:26 PM
Somsen 47 pitches in 1.1 innings
Is that good?

The Operator
05-16-2016, 08:27 PM
This would be at least a .500 team if not for this historically bad bullpen.

Not that .500 is anything great, but it's at least something.

- - - Updated - - -

LOL

BCubb2003
05-16-2016, 08:28 PM
It's getting harder to tell these guys not to walk so many when this is what happens when they don't.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:28 PM
I keep watching. Every night. I must be a masochist.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:28 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8x6pe2tdHyg/TQN0BeW40sI/AAAAAAAAACI/WbizJxKHNNs/s1600/Stop+The+Pain.jpg

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 08:28 PM
Seems to me the Reds have had some pretty weak DH's the past few years.
Like since 1976.

Or perhaps Hal Morris, 1990.

CWRed
05-16-2016, 08:29 PM
Good job again by Price managing this bullpen.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:30 PM
Good job again by Price managing this bullpen.

Good lord. Price? Really?

JKam
05-16-2016, 08:32 PM
The Reds bullpen will be the most popular guys at the All Star Game...at least in the home run derby.

'69
05-16-2016, 08:32 PM
When your bullpen comes into the game with 6.16 ERA, what are the chances it will go higher?

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:33 PM
At least they got Davis out.

Red Raindog
05-16-2016, 08:33 PM
10805

I'm hitting the bottle far too early tonight and I blame the early starting time

The Operator
05-16-2016, 08:33 PM
Good job again by Price managing this bullpen.I'm no Price fan but this isn't on him.

There is seriously nobody that has any talent down there. Tony Cingrani is the best we've got and he's not exactly Mr. Reliable.


It's a historically bad bullpen for a reason.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:34 PM
Glutton for disappointment I am, I still think Cotham can be decent.

BenHayes
05-16-2016, 08:34 PM
What a freaking joke they are:mooner::mooner::mooner:

The Operator
05-16-2016, 08:34 PM
Good job again by Price managing this bullpen.I'm no Price fan but this isn't on him.

There is seriously nobody that has any talent down there. Tony Cingrani is the best we've got and he's not exactly Mr. Reliable.


It's a historically bad bullpen for a reason.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 08:36 PM
I keep watching. Every night. I must be a masochist.

Confirmed.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:42 PM
There really is no excuse to have a bullpen this bad. Rebuild or not. Cost cutting or not.

We deserve better than this. Mismanagement by Walt or Dick or whoever of the highest order.

Big Klu
05-16-2016, 08:43 PM
Oh come on! Champ Summers could rake!

Who'd they use in 90 in Oakland? Don't remember. Braggs?

Dan Driessen in 1976.
Hal Morris in 1990.

WrongVerb
05-16-2016, 08:45 PM
Perez vs. Lee


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJRXlCeAXPY

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:45 PM
There really is no excuse to have a bullpen this bad. Rebuild or not. Cost cutting or not.

We deserve better than this. Mismanagement by Walt or Dick or whoever of the highest order.
Getting Iglesias and DeSclafani back, not to mention Homer, should help.

In a rebuilding year I'm really not worrying too much about what bullpen does, but yeah, it shouldn't be HISTORICALLY bad.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:46 PM
Dan Driessen in 1976.
Hal Morris in 1990.

Yeah I figured Driessen was the guy in 76. I was thinking after 76, but then remembered they didn't use a DH again until the trip to Oakland in 90.

JKam
05-16-2016, 08:47 PM
The good side of this putrid bullpen is the position players get a lot of practice fielding.

Cooper
05-16-2016, 08:48 PM
This is their throw away game.
Have Brantly start working w some of these guys....he barely Had 2 pitches but he knew when to throw them.

757690
05-16-2016, 08:49 PM
If I wanted to be snarky I could bring up the theory someone had that Somsen was purposely being held down in AAA because he was too good and went against the tanking plan.

I could be factual, and say that Somsen shouldn't have been left in that long by Price.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:49 PM
Getting Iglesias and DeSclafani back, not to mention Homer, should help.

In a rebuilding year I'm really not worrying too much about what bullpen does, but yeah, it shouldn't be HISTORICALLY bad.

Agree on all counts. They would be better (I think) had the rotation not been hit with injuries the way it has, but still...to have a pen this bad is flat inexcusable under any circumstances.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 08:50 PM
I'm no Price fan but this isn't on him.

There is seriously nobody that has any talent down there. Tony Cingrani is the best we've got and he's not exactly Mr. Reliable.


It's a historically bad bullpen for a reason.

Exactly right.
Sooner or later the guys Price sends to the mound have to take responsibility for the runners they put on base and allow to cross the plate.
The front office knows these guys aren't very good.. They are sacrificial lambs.. Here to eat innings and take their lumps during stage one of this rebuild..
We just have to suck it up and live through it I guess.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:51 PM
This is their throw away game.
Have Brantly start working w some of these guys....he barely Had 2 pitches but he knew when to throw them.

Brantley actually taking the mound might be a better option.

Big Klu
05-16-2016, 08:51 PM
Oh come on! Champ Summers could rake!

Who'd they use in 90 in Oakland? Don't remember. Braggs?


Yeah I figured Driessen was the guy in 76. I was thinking after 76, but then remembered they didn't use a DH again until the trip to Oakland in 90.

Hal Morris started Games 1 & 2 in Cincinnati at 1B, and Games 3 & 4 in Oakland at DH.
(Todd Benzinger started Games 3 & 4 at 1B.)

In 1976, the rules were different, and the DH was used for the entire series. Driessen started at DH all four games--two in Cincinnati and two in New York.

The Operator
05-16-2016, 08:52 PM
That looked like a grand slam off the bat.

Geez. 13-6

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:52 PM
I could be factual, and say that Somsen shouldn't have been left in that long by Price.
http://i.imgur.com/pQOsBMb.gif

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 08:54 PM
Kuods to anyone sticking this one out, I've had my fill for the night. Back at it again tomorrow.

The Operator
05-16-2016, 08:54 PM
Another loooooooong sac fly makes it 14-6

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 08:54 PM
Hal Morris started Games 1 & 2 in Cincinnati at 1B, and Games 3 & 4 in Oakland at DH.

In 1976, the rules were different, and the DH was used for the entire series. Driessen started at DH all four games--two in Cincinnati and two in New York.

Really!? Didn't know that. Imagine the Reds were pretty happy about that.

When did they change it back?

757690
05-16-2016, 08:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/pQOsBMb.gif

These GIG meme's are getting old, bruh. If you all you have to offer is snark and tired meme's, then you shouldn't post.

The Operator
05-16-2016, 09:00 PM
Martinez tried to pimp a routine grounder and Phillips is on base.

The Operator
05-16-2016, 09:02 PM
Bruce GIDP erases Phillips.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 09:03 PM
That sucks.. That was the hardest ball Bruce has hit tonight and it's a DP
He has 2 hits and 2 RBI

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 09:04 PM
HoltBingo!

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 09:04 PM
These GIG meme's are getting old, bruh. If you all you have to offer is snark and tired meme's, then you shouldn't post.
Somsen hasn't pitched in a few days, and loaded up the bases in his "good" inning. I like the kid, but he's fringy at best. Your theory that he was being held down because he might be too good was completely ridiculous, just the latest in a series of agenda-driven conspiracy theories (Price hates Cingrani, the Williams performed a coup on Castellini and Jocketty) you push that drag down the level of discourse on Redszone.

But I know this is all just in one ear out the other, so it's easier to post gifs.

Big Klu
05-16-2016, 09:04 PM
Really!? Didn't know that. Imagine the Reds were pretty happy about that.

When did they change it back?

1976 was the first year for the DH in World Series play. In even-numbered years the DH was used, while in odd-numbered years the pitcher hit for himself. (However, in even years the NL had home-field advantage, while in odd years the AL had the advantage.)

The 1986 Series between the Mets and Red Sox was the first to use the current DH "home field" rules, though home-field advantage still alternated between leagues on a year-by-year basis until Bud Selig tied it to the All-Star Game.

BluegrassRedleg
05-16-2016, 09:06 PM
OKC-Golden State begins.

/click Reds

757690
05-16-2016, 09:07 PM
Somsen hasn't pitched in a few days, and loaded up the bases in his "good" inning. I like the kid, but he's fringy at best. Your theory that he was being held down because he might be too good was completely ridiculous, just the latest in a series of agenda-driven conspiracy theories (Price hates Cingrani, the Williams performed a coup on Castellini and Jocketty) you push that drag down the level of discourse on Redszone.

But I know this is all just in one ear out the other, so it's easier to post gifs.

Lol. Standard. Never said Price hates Cingrani. Never said Williams performed a coup. And I wasn't the one who said that good relievers were being held down because the were good. I was just repeating what the Reds beat writer said.

Your right. Best to stick to GIF's and Meme's bruh. You not very good at facts, lol

BTW, I admitted more than once that I was wrong about Somsen, but that hasn't stopped you from being snarky about it numerous times well after the fact. Talk about beating a dead horse. Stay classy Servo, stay classy.

KronoRed
05-16-2016, 09:09 PM
This reminds me of that early 2000's visit to Oakland.

The Operator
05-16-2016, 09:12 PM
15-6 as Duvall lets a ball get away from him in LF.

Tracy Jones
05-16-2016, 09:12 PM
As far as straight out stuff goes, JC is the best the Reds have at this point in the pen.

That's a joke. And not a particularly funny one either.

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 09:17 PM
Turned on the game real quick to see Peraza robbed of a hit, seemed about right.

OnBaseMachine
05-16-2016, 09:18 PM
Peraza robbed of his third hit.

The Operator
05-16-2016, 09:19 PM
Martinez looks laaazy on defense.

Ron Madden
05-16-2016, 09:24 PM
That's all she wrote..:(

The Operator
05-16-2016, 09:24 PM
Reds lose

Tom Servo
05-16-2016, 09:24 PM
We're really bad again.

WVRedsFan
05-16-2016, 09:28 PM
It's going to be a long, longer season with people fighting with each other over this lousy rebuild--a team built to lose.

Rantly
05-16-2016, 09:41 PM
It's going to be a long, longer season with people fighting with each other over this lousy rebuild--a team built to lose.

On the contrary, I for one enjoy the frustration/fighting, makes the game thread somewhat interesting during these dismal games

'69
05-16-2016, 09:59 PM
I'm in for the laughs, lots of despondent reds fans out there with nowhere to turn, except sports talk radio to vent.

kaldaniels
05-16-2016, 10:11 PM
I'm not saying a mid-season firing is deserved or prudent...

But much more of this and we could be seeing Sweet Lou back in uniform, right?

'69
05-16-2016, 10:15 PM
As far as straight out stuff goes, JC is the best the Reds have at this point in the pen.

That's a joke. And not a particularly funny one either.

He's an ace in this pen. Ohlendorf has slightly better numbers (BAA, H/9, K/9, .04 higher WHIP) I think JC can stick, and I have an irrational hope for Ohlendorf and Wood, with Cingrani.

757690
05-16-2016, 10:21 PM
I'm not saying a mid-season firing is deserved or prudent...

But much more of this and we could be seeing Sweet Lou back in uniform, right?

I'm all for making Riggleman the sacrificial lamb. After all, we know he will eventually quit, making it easier to hire a good manager, once the team turns it around.