6/30/16 Reds @ Nationals

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Mark Sheldon ‏@m_sheldon 55s55 seconds ago

#reds lineup:
Cozart 6,
Votto 3,
Phillips 4,
Bruce 9,
Duvall 7,
Suarez 5,
the center fielder,
Barnhart 2,
DeSclafani 1


Mark Sheldon ‏@m_sheldon 2m2 minutes ago

Either Hamilton or Peraza will bat 7th today for #reds


Mark Sheldon ‏@m_sheldon 4m4 minutes ago

#reds waiting for Hamilton to be cleared by MLB per concussion protocol. Has undergone more tests today.

[Ron Madden]

Billy will be in the lineup tonight

[texasdave]

It can't be DeSclafani, can it? He pitched on the 26th. That means he is pitching on 3 day's rest, instead of 4.

[Ron Madden]

It can't be DeSclafani, can it? He pitched on the 26th. That means he is pitching on 3 day's rest, instead of 4.

I'm pretty sure it's Finnegan's day to start

[WrongVerb]

It can't be DeSclafani, can it? He pitched on the 26th. That means he is pitching on 3 day's rest, instead of 4.

MLB at bat app has Finnegan. That sounds right. Disco goes tomorrow night.

[Ron Madden]

Cozart walks Votto doubles 2nd and 3rd 0 outs
Phillips HBP bases loaded.

[Tom Servo]

To me, Votto is looking locked in of late. Even in that 0-6 game against the Cubs he was making good contact.

[Tom Servo]

Jay nooo. GIDP with the bases loaded. Run scores. 1-0 Redlegs.

[OnBaseMachine]

Jay Bruce hasn't had a lot of bad at bats this season...but that may have been his worst.

[Kc61]

Trade him.

[Tom Servo]

Finnegan seems to do this a lot, walking the first batter on pitches nowhere close with minimum velocity. Not getting a good enough warmup in the pen?

[OnBaseMachine]

Finnegan already missing up and away to RH hitters. It's gotta be a mechanical flaw.

[Tom Servo]

That one only 89 to Werth. Is Finnegan okay?

[Tom Servo]

Duvall looked so confident there at the wall...and misjudged it. Would have been a tough catch either way. 2nd and 3rd with no outs.

Finnegan did a good job against Murphy when he faced him earlier this year. Does it here again too, pitches him inside and gets him to popup.

[Ron Madden]

Thought I'd turn down the sound on TV and listen to the PBP on radio....
Big mistake Marty has be critical of just about every Red so far.

[The Operator]

Thought I'd turn down the sound on TV and listen to the PBP on radio....
Big mistake Marty has be critical of just about every Red so far.Marty? Critical? :p

[The Operator]

Sac fly, tie ball game. 2 outs.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Thought I'd turn down the sound on TV and listen to the PBP on radio....
Big mistake Marty has be critical of just about every Red so far.

I'm watching the Nats telecast and they want to run off and marry all of the Nats players.

[Tom Servo]

Ugh. Walk #2, on a full count, with two outs to extend Finnegan's inning. Can't succeed this way.

[OnBaseMachine]

I think Finnegan could be a dominant reliever. I'm not sure his mechanics will ever allow him to be a full time starter.

[The Operator]

Welp. 4-1

[Tom Servo]

3 run bomb. 4-1 Nats. Walks haunt.

[Red Raindog]

looks like another disaster coming

[AlaskaReds]

Could be a long night

[Strikes Out Looking]

Finnegan throwing fastballs right down the middle. It looks like he's been watching jj Hoover on pitching on YouTube.

[Red Raindog]

Finnegan throwing fastballs right down the middle. It looks like he's been watching jj Hoover on pitching on YouTube.

even Heisey can hit him

[Tom Servo]

Could be a long night
Not for Finnegan.

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Jamal Collier ‏@JamalCollier 50s
Huge three-run HR from Ryan Zimmerman, who began the day hitting .171/.214/.289 with just two homers in June.

[Kc61]

32 pitches in the inning. Very disappointing outing.

[Red Raindog]

at least we don't have to worry about a Hoover sighting ---

[Wolves198921]

Well it looked like a promising game for half an inning.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Brandon Finnegan playing the I'd like to go to Louisville in July game.

[The Operator]

Well at least a stretched out Keyvius Sampson is available in the pen.

[Tom Servo]

Dusty stacked the lineup full of righties tonight against Finnegan and it's worked. Finnegan has actually been better against righties this year than lefties. But you wouldn't know it from that inning.

Something I wonder about Finnegan is whether he can pitch every 5th day with his best stuff. Last time out, he had an extra day of rest of his stuff looked good. Today he's pitching on regular rest and looks...like this.

[Ron Madden]

Hold'em to 6 runs or lower.. I gotta feelin the Reds are gonna score at least 7 runs tonight. :D

[Kc61]

Well at least a stretched out Keyvius Sampson is available in the pen.

He pitched a long stint yesterday when a different starting pitcher had difficulties.

[The Operator]

He pitched a long stint yesterday when a different starting pitcher had difficulties.Didn't realize that, I was in bed (working night shift this week) when yesterday's massacre was in progress.

[The Operator]

GIDP, base runner erased.

[Tom Servo]

Barnhart is a GIDP machine.

[Kc61]

Didn't realize that, I was in bed (working night shift this week) when yesterday's massacre was in progress.

Operator, if you miss one Reds massacre there is always another waiting right around the corner.

Double play, don't know how much more of this I can handle tonight.

[The Operator]

Operator, if you miss one Reds massacre there is always another waiting right around the corner.It's a painful version of Groundhog's Day.

[Ron Madden]

4-1 Nats middle of 3

[Tom Servo]

Kind of wish Jeff Brantley was the Reds pitching coach.

[Big Klu]

Didn't realize that, I was in bed (working night shift this week) when yesterday's massacre was in progress.

Yeah, Sampson threw something like 70-75 pitches in 2⅔ innings yesterday in relief of Reed.

[Tom Servo]

Jim Day's Dusty impression is borderline problematic.

[Red Raindog]

Kind of wish Jeff Brantley was the Reds pitching coach.

can't say the present brain trust has excited me

just think how bad it would be without the "No Walks" edict

[Tom Servo]

Two more walks to start the 3rd by Finnegan.

[Ron Madden]

Finnegan struggling to find the plate

[Red Raindog]

Two more walks to start the 3rd by Finnegan.

5 in 2+ innings --- this is looking like 15 run game for the Nats

[Tom Servo]

Finnegan struggling to find the plate
Understatement of the year lol

[Ron Madden]

Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Operator]

Wow.

8-1

[Red Raindog]

correction -- might be a 20 run game for them

[Tom Servo]

yup. a disaster outing. grand slam. 8-1 Nats.

[Big Klu]

SSDD

[Tom Servo]

You guys...I'm starting to wonder if maybe Bryan Price doesn't deserve that contract extension.

[lnn6574]

I don't think he's a starter.

[Tom Servo]

Finny's ERA was 3.83 an hour and a half ago, it's now 4.48.

[Ron Madden]

Josh Smith has done a heckuva job outta the pen this season

[Kc61]

I don't think he's a starter.

Sure. He's finished, LOL.

[Big Klu]

You guys...I'm starting to wonder if maybe Bryan Price doesn't deserve that contract extension.

On the contrary, this job looks like it will take longer than originally anticipated, so he needs a four-year extension instead of two.

[Tom Servo]

Mark Sheldon ‏@m_sheldon 29s29 seconds ago
That sixth grand slam allowed this season by the #reds

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[Tom Servo]

Jim Day's Austin Carr impression is borderline problematic.

[Ron Madden]

I Love the Reds and have all my life but I'm gettin tired of gettin clobbered all the time.

[Tom Servo]

Looks like the first inning was the Reds best chance, Gio Gonzalez looks locked in now.

[lnn6574]

Sure. He's finished, LOL.

He will be in the pen next year.

[Raisor]

He will be in the pen next year.

He may very well be, but I'm glad they are giving him a chance.

[Tom Servo]

Well...it wasn't a grand slam. Heisey two run single. 10-1 Nats.

[The Operator]

This is just comical at this point.

13-1

[Big Klu]

Remember how utterly hopeless it felt at the end of August and all through September last year? It's the same feeling, only it's the end of June. We have three more months of this.

[Rantly]

Josh Smith has done a heckuva job outta the pen this season

Oops

[Tom Servo]

LOL Espinosa again. 3 run bomb. 13-1 Nats.

[Big Klu]

SSDI

[TheBigLebowski]

He gets beaten around in the first time thru the order and people use that to say he'll be better in the bullpen?

If he was pitching out of the pen tonight this still would have happened. He doesn't have his stuff.

Cody Reed gets bombed and most everyone is still in love with him being the cornerstone of the rotation for years to come. Finnegan gets bombed for the first time in a while and we're ready to banish him to our bullpen. This place justvwon't ne happy until he's there.

[Red Raindog]

second correction -- 20 runs looking too low at this point

[Red Raindog]

This is just comical at this point.

13-1

you have a warped sense of comedy --- :eek:

[Tom Servo]

The Reds are undisputed champions of tanking, gotta give em that.

[powersackers]

How's that run differential looking after this series? Laughable.

[Tom Servo]

On the plus side the Louisville Bats are being no hit. :bash:

[Rantly]

You guys...I'm starting to wonder if maybe Bryan Price doesn't deserve that contract extension.

I'd really be surprised Price will be around after all star break. Having to manage a bad team is one thing but to get beat down like this night after night...Bob's has to change the culture.

[Red Raindog]

How's that run differential looking after this series? Laughable.

almost a negative 2 runs a game

[The Operator]

you have a warped sense of comedy --- :eek:
Not just comedy, but in all things. One of my favorite bands is Primus. That should tell you where I'm at.

[Tom Servo]

I'd really be surprised Price will be around after all star break. Having to manage a bad team is one thing but to get beat down like this night after night...Bob's has to change the culture.
You would think so, but I feel like it should have happened by now. At this point I'm thinking he lasts the year.

[Tom Servo]

Lorenzen in. How many HRs will he give up? Gotta think at least one.

[The Operator]

Chase Utley-esque HBP right there to Stephen Drew.

[Rantly]

Lorenzon is a strong looking dude, especially considering he lost 20 lb with mono 2 month's ago

[Tom Servo]

Hey, a scoreless inning!

[Chuckie]

My goodness. I want the best draft pick(s) possible for 2017, but we're taking the joke a bit too far.

[Raisor]

You would think so, but I feel like it should have happened by now. At this point I'm thinking he lasts the year.

I just don't think bringing in an interim manager to get his brains beat in the rest of the season makes any sense. It didn't make sense when the Braves did it earlier this year either

[Tom Servo]

I just don't think bringing in an interim manager to get his brains beat in the rest of the season makes any sense. It didn't make sense when the Braves did it earlier this year either
Braves have gotten marginally better though under Snitker. I think once the axe falls people get a little less tense.

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Votto! :jump:

[Ron Madden]

Hey, a scoreless inning!

They're exhausted from swingin the bats and runnin the bases

[Red Raindog]

the comeback begins

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Jay Bruce - 225
8. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
9. Joey Votto - 206
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Vada Pinson - 186
12. Brandon Phillips - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Todd Frazier - 108
25. Dave Parker - 107
26. Chris Sabo - 104
27. Dave Concepcion - 101

[PuffyPig]

I'm glad I sent some beer money with the boys, they sure are going to need it.

[Tom Servo]

BP single and Bruce double down the line! The comeback is on!!!

[Tom Servo]

13-4 game now.

[Ron Madden]

Seems like Billy has been getting his share of walks lately.

[Ron Madden]

Lorenzen ain't no slouch at the plate...

[Raisor]

Votto and Bruce have been traded

[Tom Servo]

lol Votto and Bruce pulled from the game, just in case you thought about continuing to watch it.

[Ron Madden]

Is Price wavin a white flag?
Replacing Joey and Bruce.

[PuffyPig]

Votto and Bruce have been traded

For each other?

Did we retain any salary?

[19braves77]

This Reds game is the equivalent of the Mike Shula years at Alabama. Hard to watch other then when a former Wahoo comes up to bat.

[Big Klu]

This Reds game is the equivalent of the Mike Shula years at Alabama. Hard to watch other then when a former Wahoo comes up to bat.

The Mike Shula years at Alabama?

How about the Dave Shula years in Cincinnati? :eek:

[Ron Madden]

If you're gonna take out Votto and Bruce ya might as well take Phillips out too and give Peraza some AB's

[Tom Servo]

Matt Belisle in. I convinced myself going into the 2007 season that Belisle would become a middle of the rotation workhorse for the Reds.

[Big Klu]

Matt Belisle in. I convinced myself going into the 2007 season that Belisle would become a middle of the rotation workhorse for the Reds.

I saw him pitch a complete-game win vs. the Pirates at PNC on only 88 pitches.

[Tom Servo]

I thought Joe Randa was The Joker? Belisle does have kind of that smirk tho too.

[PuffyPig]

I saw him pitch a complete-game win vs. the Pirates at PNC on only 88 pitches.

IIRC, wasn't that a rain shortened 2 inning game?

:lol:

[Ron Madden]

Holt breaks his 0 for 23 slump with a hit to CF

[Rantly]

Matt Belisle in. I convinced myself going into the 2007 season that Belisle would become a middle of the rotation workhorse for the Reds.

Just checked and saw that he started 30 games that year. Surprised by that

[Tuff Nut]

When seen that Votto and Bruce were pulled, I was thinking that Bruce was traded, and Votto was geting to say bye to his friend.

[PuffyPig]

To get our minds off the game, Cody reed has an xFIP of 3.26.

Lot's of K's, good control, and lots of GB's.

Unreal BABIP and HR/FB rate.

[Ron Madden]

Wonder what WVRedsFan's comments are gonna be after this game..:laugh:

[Chuckie]

Not just comedy, but in all things. One of my favorite bands is Primus. That should tell you where I'm at.

#PrimusSucks

[Ron Madden]

I like Lorenzen.

[Tuff Nut]

LMAO...Reds announcer, with Belisle batting, saying that "he throws right and bats left...You don't see that very often"....guess he has never noticed Votto...LMFAO

[Raisor]

Wonder what WVRedsFan's comments are gonna be after this game..:laugh:

Something something I'm not going to live to see them contend again something something Price something something hate Pittsburgh

;)

[Tom Servo]

Just checked and saw that he started 30 games that year. Surprised by that
Ohhh, I remember it all too well.

[Raisor]

Ohhh, I remember it all too well.

You were five

[Tom Servo]

You were five
I was a junior in high school, I'll have you know.

[Big Klu]

LMAO...Reds announcer, with Belisle batting, saying that "he throws right and bats left...You don't see that very often"....guess he has never noticed Votto...LMFAO

I assumed Jim Day was talking about pitchers.

[Ron Madden]

Doesn't look like very many fans in the stands for a first place team

[Raisor]

I was a junior in high school, I'll have you know.

Wow you were pretty smart for a five year old

[Tom Servo]

Doesn't look like very many fans in the stands for a first place team
Move the team to Montreal.

[Ron Madden]

Helluva play by the Nats pitcher there

[Tuff Nut]

I assumed Jim Day was talking about pitchers.

One would assume...I mean there is a long list of players that have/do. But it also isn't the first mistake I've heard him make.

[Raisor]

Wow you were pretty smart for a five year old

Now I've got the John Mullany 5-year old alcoholic bit stuck in my brain

[Tom Servo]

Peraza finally in for BP

[Ron Madden]

Peraza finally in the game.

[Big Klu]

Doesn't look like very many fans in the stands for a first place team

I heard Marty say in the first inning the the Washington crowd is very similar to the Dodgers crowd in L.A.--late-arriving and early to leave.

[The Operator]

#PrimusSucks :cool:

[The Operator]

I assumed Jim Day was talking about pitchers.Probably.

Seems like Randy Johnson did IIRC. Maybe Shaun Estes too. Travis Wood definitely does.

[Tom Servo]

Suarez shows signs he can be a good 3B. But it's those one or two moments where he loses concentration or screws up his footwork and it ruins everything.

[texasdave]

Josh Smith and Michael Lorenzen both threw 38 pitches, with 24 being strikes. And, yet, the results could not have been more diametrically opposed.

[Tuff Nut]

Probably.

Seems like Randy Johnson did IIRC. Maybe Shaun Estes too. Travis Wood definitely does.

All those throw/threw LEFT and and bat/batted RH....not toss RH and bat LH, as does Belisle, Votto, Harper,etc.

[Tom Servo]

Jenifer Langosch ‏@LangoschMLB 1m1 minute ago
That's seven straight home losses for #STLCards, who are now 15-23 at Busch. Last year they didn't lose their 23rd home game until Sept. 7.

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[Rantly]

I like Lorenzen.

Tonight you do...and I liked Smith yesterday

[Big Klu]

Probably.

Seems like Randy Johnson did IIRC. Maybe Shaun Estes too. Travis Wood definitely does.

Seems like you see a lot of LHP"s that way, though it's very rare for a left-handed position player to bat righty.

RHP's hitting lefty are a little more uncommon.

[Ron Madden]

Jenifer Langosch ‏@LangoschMLB 1m1 minute ago
That's seven straight home losses for #STLCards, who are now 15-23 at Busch. Last year they didn't lose their 23rd home game until Sept. 7.

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This gives me some satisfaction

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[QUOTE=Tom Servo;3500367]Jenifer Langosch ‏@LangoschMLB 1m1 minute ago
That's seven straight home losses for #STLCards, who are now 15-23 at Busch. Last year they didn't lose their 23rd home game until Sept. 7.

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[Big Klu]

So did Price mess up the double switch? (Or will we blame Dusty for that?)

[Tom Servo]

So did Price mess up the double switch? (Or will we blame Dusty for that?)
Much as I want to jump on Price, even with all my years of watching baseball, I only have the most basic of conceptual grasps on the double switch.

[The Operator]

All those throw/threw LEFT and and bat/batted RH....not toss RH and bat LH, as does Belisle, Votto, Harper,etc.Ah that's right. D'oh!

This is what I get for posting at work. :laugh:

[Red Raindog]

who had the Nats in the 13 run pool?

[Tom Servo]

Reds lose again.

[Ron Madden]

Tonight you do...and I liked Smith yesterday

No I've always liked Lorenzen and I've liked Smith this year coming out of the pen. One game won't change my mind.

[Big Klu]

On pace for 59-103.

(Actually no change from yesterday.)

[Ron Madden]

Hope the rest of the road trip goes better than this.
I don't know how many games like this I could stand one right after another. ;)

[Big Klu]

Much as I want to jump on Price, even with all my years of watching baseball, I only have the most basic of conceptual grasps on the double switch.

With a four-man bench and an eight-man bullpen becoming the norm, it's a strategy that is used less often than it used to be.

[texasdave]

If they used Tom Tango's game-scoring method for pitchers, Brandon Finnegan would have received a game score of zero tonight. Z-E-R-O. That seems about right.

[Big Klu]

Hope the rest of the road trip goes better than this.
I don't know how many games like this I could stand one right after another. ;)

I predicted a 2-8 road trip yesterday.

[Ron Madden]

I predicted a 2-8 road trip yesterday.

I remember you saying that..
Personally I wouldn't mind a few close games scattered in there somewhere

[Big Klu]

Price in the postgame press conference:

"The combination of walks and homers doesn't work very well."

That may be the most profound thing I've ever heard.

[Tuff Nut]

Price in the postgame press conference:

"The combination of walks and homers doesn't work very well."

That may be the most profound thing I've ever heard.

The reporter should have replied, "Ya Think"...or something else that fits, but this is a family board.

[WVRedsFan]

I predicted a 2-8 road trip yesterday.I didn't but agreed.

[WVRedsFan]

Price in the postgame press conference:

"The combination of walks and homers doesn't work very well."

That may be the most profound thing I've ever heard.I'm sorry, but this is Dave Miley2. Or Bob Boone2, or Jerry Narron2. Sure they traded away the pitching (which they should have noticed earlier)l but putting this product on the field is criminal.
when there was a good team for him to manage, he blew so many one-run games. Now everyone is so supportive because it's a lousy team. Many like him because he's not Dusty, but he's horrible. NNO, the record will be terrible regardless, but this guy is just not manager material. Out with him.

[texasdave]

This version of the Little-Red-Team-That-Couldn't would have to win their next 68 games to match the record of the 1975 Big Red Machine. That team did not lose their 51st game until September 13th. They stood 97-51 at the time. :cry:

[cumberlandreds]

Price in the postgame press conference:

"The combination of walks and homers doesn't work very well."

That may be the most profound thing I've ever heard.

That statement should come under the heading of "No kidding Sherlock!". This pitching staff is just horrible. The young guys that had some success for a while are now fading and old guys are just still awful.

[cumberlandreds]

I heard Marty say in the first inning the the Washington crowd is very similar to the Dodgers crowd in L.A.--late-arriving and early to leave.

Not quite as bad as LA but that statement is basically true. They will pack them in the rest of the weekend. The 4th weekend is always a big draw for the Nats.

Nats score 13 runs and rest two of their regulars. Their big gun in Harper and Revere. How pathetic is that?