7/9/2016 - Reds @ Fish

[Tom Servo]

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I was posting in yesterday's thread and wondering where everyone was. Reds baseball - catch the fever!

[cumberlandreds]

Phillips starting today is horrible. This is decisions like this that really make me wonder if the Reds will ever be relevant again.

[Chuckie]

John Lamb = a reliever forced into a starting role.

He'll be a good MLB reliever though, IMO. Eventually.

[Chuckie]

Eugenio Suarez = a DH masquerading as a third baseman.

[Tom Servo]

Suarez...

[Chuckie]

LOL! They ruled that a double. Man, Suarez is straight awful defensively.

[Big Klu]

Ruled a double. Should have been an E5.

[Chuckie]

How 'bout a passed ball? Could we interest you in a passed ball?

Bad News Reds in full effect.

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Ruled a double. Should have been an E5.

Little League moms gonna Little League mom.

[Big Klu]

Passed ball scores a run. Obviously miscommunication between Lamb and Cabrera, as Ramon appeared to be looking for something other than what Lamb threw.

[WrongVerb]

Turned on the game just in time to see the Bad News Reds display. This team is so ill-prepared to play winning baseball it's not even funny. Price needs to go after tomorrow.

[Chuckie]

Lamb Chop gets out of it with only 1 run scoring. Nice work.

[Tom Servo]

Nice job by Lamb against the heart of the order after the ugly beginning.

[Big Klu]

Little League moms gonna Little League mom.

I've kept book for a lot of games (primarily at HS level). I'm not one to say, "Well, he touched it, so it has to be an error." I always consider the difficulty of the play, and whether it should be made under ordinary circumstances. (If anything, I am lenient about things like bad hops and losing the ball in the sun/lights.) Suarez left his feet, but I don't think it was an excessively difficult chance.

E5.

[Tom Servo]

Duvall! :jump:

1-1 game

[Tom Servo]

Chris Welsh also wondering why the hell BP is in the lineup.

[Big Klu]

Chris Welsh with a mini-editorial questioning the logic of playing Phillips over Peraza at 2B today.

[Tom Servo]

5 strikeouts by Lamb so far, his changeup is really fooling guys today.

[Big Klu]

Prado single snaps a streak of eight in a row retired by Lamb.

[Tom Servo]

6 Ks through 3 innings for Lamb.

[Big Klu]

According to the commercial, 100% of Panera's food will be clean by year's end.

Does that mean that they are currently serving dirty food?

[Tom Servo]

Bruce one out double in the 4th

[Big Klu]

DatDude RBI single, to 2nd on throw to plate!

[Tom Servo]

DatDude drives in Bruce with a single to right, 2-1 Redlegs

[Tom Servo]

8 strikeouts(!) by Lamb through 4 innings

[Big Klu]

Lamb sets them down in order in the 4th.

[Big Klu]

Leadoff double by Cabrera! Thought about the triple, but pulled the chute at 2nd.

[Big Klu]

Cabrera stranded at 2nd.

[Tom Servo]

Strikeout #9 for Lamb as the second out in the 5th. Ties his career high in a game.

Chris Welsh pointed out he's essentially eliminated the cutter he was throwing a lot earlier this year.

[Big Klu]

Conley with a two-out infield single off Lamb's glove.

[Chuckie]

And there is some horrible D from Jay. Amazingly bad.

[Tom Servo]

Oh Jay...

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Man, all because Conley kept the two out AB alive and Lamb couldn't field that ball.

[reds44]

Jay Bruce is a good fielder, guys

[Big Klu]

Wow. That was bad defense in RF by Bruce.

Jay misplays the fly ball into a two-run double by Prado.

[Chuckie]

Baseball scoring rules are so stupid. That should absolutely be an error on Bruce. What's the rationale for ruling that a hit? Because Jay didn't touch the ball? He wasn't even close, even though a good RF would have caught it with ease.

So, that play was pretty much the definition of an "error." But because MLB is stuck in its old ways it's ruled a double and no one thinks twice about it. Error all the way.

[Tom Servo]

Prado with the luckiest 'double' and 'triple' today

[PuffyPig]

But because MLB is stuck in its old ways it's ruled a double and no one thinks twice about it.

I believe you just referred to yourself as "no one".

[Ironman92]

With two outs...the Bruce gaffe was critical. 2 runs on him

[BluegrassRedleg]

Wow. That was bad defense in RF by Bruce.

Jay misplays the fly ball into a two-run double by Prado.

But his OBP just blows Duvall away. /deadpan

[Tom Servo]

But his OBP just blows Duvall away. /deadpanDuvall has made some uggo plays in the outfield too.

[Big Klu]

Baseball scoring rules are so stupid. That should absolutely be an error on Bruce. What's the rationale for ruling that a hit? Because Jay didn't touch the ball? He wasn't even close, even though a good RF would have caught it with ease.

So, that play was pretty much the definition of an "error." But because MLB is stuck in its old ways it's ruled a double and no one thinks twice about it. Error all the way.

No, unfortunately for Lamb, that is correctly ruled a hit. Sometimes a fielder misplays a ball so badly that there is no opportunity to charge an error. (In other words, he made such a mental miscue that there was no opportunity to make a play.) As you said, "He wasn't even close." Therefore, he couldn't make a chance on the play. In such instances, the only ruling is "hit".

[BluegrassRedleg]

I thought that pitch was going to land about 550 feet from where it connected to the bat.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Duvall has made some uggo plays in the outfield too.

Let he without uggo cast the first cutter.

[Big Klu]

According to Chris, THom is set to return shortly after the All-Star Break.

In my mind, he will have a new voice following the surgery...maybe something like Pee Wee Herman's.

[Big Klu]

Ozuna picked off and caught stealing! 1-3-6-3-1-4 CS!

Cozart dropped the ball, but Votto and JUMBO! were alert and able to keep the rundown going until DatDude could catch Ozuna!

[Ironman92]

It won't be long until Phillips is back in the cleanup spot

[Tom Servo]

It won't be long until Phillips is back in the cleanup spot
He hasn't had an extra base hit since June 25th.

[Chuckie]

My friends, do you ever have a beer or two too many on a Saturday and have to change to a Diet Mountain Dew just to keep yourself awake?

Oh, that's just me?

[Big Klu]

My friends, do you ever have a beer or two too many on a Saturday and have to change to a Diet Mountain Dew just to keep yourself awake?

Oh, that's just me?

I think that's just you.

[Tom Servo]

My friends, do you ever have a beer or two too many on a Saturday and have to change to a Diet Mountain Dew just to keep yourself awake?

Oh, that's just me?
Happens to the best of us.

[Chuckie]

No, unfortunately for Lamb, that is correctly ruled a hit. Sometimes a fielder misplays a ball so badly that there is no opportunity to charge an error. (In other words, he made such a mental miscue that there was no opportunity to make a play.) As you said, "He wasn't even close." Therefore, he couldn't make a chance on the play. In such instances, the only ruling is "hit".

Right, I get that. My point is that reasoning is absurd. It should be an "error" when a player makes a clear error like Bruce did. The only rationale for ruling that a "hit" is "That's the way we've always done it in MLB."

That's poor reasoning, IMO.

[Chuckie]

Happens to the best of us.

I think I need to Shake It Off.

[Ironman92]

He hasn't had an extra base hit since June 25th.

214 AB without a HR

He'll be batting cleanup within the next 7 games

[Ironman92]

Crazy great throw by Osuna to nail Phillips at 3rd. It took a perfect throw and he did just that.

[Tom Servo]

Ivan the Jesus pinch hit double, 2nd and 3rd with two outs for Cozart.

[Chuckie]

I think that's just you.

Whateves Eric Stratton. You of all people should understand.

[Ironman92]

Phillips 9/26 batting 6th

[Tom Servo]

Cozart bobble head day next Saturday. Traded on Sunday?

[Chuckie]

#drunj

[Tom Servo]

Bobblehead Cozy grounds out, Reds can't come through.

[Chuckie]

Michael Lorenzen lifts weights. Heavy ones. Dude is ripped.

[Big Klu]

Right, I get that. My point is that reasoning is absurd. It should be an "error" when a player makes a clear error like Bruce did. The only rationale for ruling that a "hit" is "That's the way we've always done it in MLB."

That's poor reasoning, IMO.

I think first we have to define what an error is. An error is when a fielder fails to make a play on a ball on which he had a chance to make one. In this case, Bruce was unable to even put himself in a position where making a play was possible. Therefore, he was unable to "fail" because there was no chance. Admittedly, a possible (and likely most probable) reason that he wasn't in position was because he ran the wrong route. But that's a mental mistake (the mythical "mental error" that so many coaches and managers talk about), and not a physical error.

[Big Klu]

Whateves Eric Stratton. You of all people should understand.

Shake it off, dude. :)

Besides, in how many scenes of the legendary film "Animal House" do you see the Rush Chairman of Delta House intoxicated? :D

[Chuckie]

I think first we have to define what an error is. An error is when a fielder fails to make a play on a ball on which he had a chance to play. In this case, Bruce was unable to even put himself in a position where making a play was possible. Therefore, he was unable to "fail" because there was no chance. Admittedly, a possible (and likely most probable) reason that he wasn't in position was because he ran the wrong route. But that's a mental mistake (the mythical "mental error" that so many coaches and managers talk about), and not a physical error.

This is where we strongly disagree. Bruce was absolutely able to put himself in position to make the play -- most right fielders would have made the play with ease. Bruce wasn't able to do that for whatever reason and looked ridiculous in the process. It's not like he lost the ball in the sun or lights. That might be different. But that's not what we're talking about here.

It should be an "error" ... the old-school MLB rules just say it's not.

[Chuckie]

Shake it off, dude. :)

Besides, in how many scenes of the legendary film "Animal House" do you see the Rush Chairman of Delta House intoxicated? :D

True. He was in the process of trying to hook up 100 percent of the time. I can respect that angle. He even had a thing for cougars (before they were "cougars").

[Chuckie]

Just chugged 2 Diet Mtn Dews. I'm back in biz.

Single for Joseph Votto.

[Chuckie]

Nice swinging "bunt" by Jay (not a bunt). Votto on second, two down.

[Chuckie]

Fudge

[Big Klu]

This is where we strongly disagree. Bruce was absolutely able to put himself in position to make the play -- most right fielders would have made the play with ease. Bruce wasn't able to do that for whatever reason and looked ridiculous in the process. It's not like he lost the ball in the sun or lights. That might be different. But that's not what we're talking about here.

It should be an "error" ... the old-school MLB rules just say it's not.

The only thing is, we can't judge him on what most rightfielders would do, or even what he himself would do in a different situation. We can only judge him on that play. And on that play he was unable to even put himself in position to make a chance. Therefore, since there was no chance, there is no error. It's unfortunate, because he obviously made a mental mistake.

Keeping a scorebook in an official capacity is obviously subjective, but I like to think that I am fair-minded about it.

(I have also coached at the HS level, and though I understood that mental mistakes were often not ruled as errors, mistakes like those would drive us nuts. You can rest assured that the staff is likely very irate over it. In fact, mental mistakes like those often bother coaches more than actual errors do.)

[Ironman92]

8th inning pitching SMH

[Tom Servo]

Lorenzen walks the first two batters and then strikes out Yelich on 3 pitches. Go figure.


Stanton's bat shatters but dies a hero with a single up the middle to score another run.

[BluegrassRedleg]

WWH

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And, once again, HORRIFIC location from a Reds pitcher to a really capable hitter. He's lucky that wasn't a 3-run bomb.

[Tom Servo]

Ichiro is over, brother. He could sell out the Tokyo Dome.

[Tom Servo]

I see things to really like about Lorenzen as a reliever, think he just needs more experience.

[Big Klu]

An Edgar Renteria sighting? I almost forgot that dude even played for the Reds.

[Big Klu]

Ichiro is over, brother. He could sell out the Tokyo Dome.

The Reds' version of the Four Horsemen (Votto, Bruce, Phillips, and Cozart) would bust a chair over his head.

[Big Klu]

Price with a tactical error here. If he is going to pinch-run for Cabrera with Holt (a correct move IMO), then he should use the switch-hitting Barnhart as the pinch-hitter for Lorenzen, as Tucker would have to enter the game anyway if the Reds tie or take the lead.

[Big Klu]

On pace for 59-103.

[Raisor]

The Reds' version of the Four Horsemen (Votto, Bruce, Phillips, and Cozart) would bust a chair over his head.

Votto: Ric Flair (super heel MVP)
Bruce: Barry Windham (Second banana)
Phillips/Cozart: Tull & Arn (Double play combo/Tag Champs)

[Big Klu]

Votto: Ric Flair (super heel MVP)
Bruce: Barry Windham (Second banana)
Phillips/Cozart: Tull & Arn (Double play combo/Tag Champs)

Exactly! We are on the same wavelength! :thumbup:

[Raisor]

Exactly! We are on the same wavelength! :thumbup:

And Tom Servo is Paul Roma

[Ironman92]

Big Klu....wondering if you could start doing a Reds Career Triples update each time Jay Bruce triples?

[Chuckie]

The only thing is, we can't judge him on what most rightfielders would do, or even what he himself would do in a different situation. We can only judge him on that play. And on that play he was unable to even put himself in position to make a chance. Therefore, since there was no chance, there is no error. It's unfortunate, because he obviously made a mental mistake.

Keeping a scorebook in an official capacity is obviously subjective, but I like to think that I am fair-minded about it.

(I have also coached at the HS level, and though I understood that mental mistakes were often not ruled as errors, mistakes like those would drive us nuts. You can rest assured that the staff is likely very irate over it. In fact, mental mistakes like those often bother coaches more than actual errors do.)

Oh, I know. My HS baseball coach would make us run one lap around the field for every "mental error" committed during practice. Physical errors? Nada. He knew that was part of the game. Mental errors made him crazy.

My contention is that if an outfielder makes that bad of a mental error, it should be ruled as an "error."

[Chuckie]

On pace for 59-103.

Boom! Need another Nick Senzel type in the first round of the 2017 draft (just hopefully an OF).

[Big Klu]

Big Klu....wondering if you could start doing a Reds Career Triples update each time Jay Bruce triples?

He's seven away from cracking the Top 50.

[Raisor]

He's seven away from cracking the Top 50.

so about two weeks?

[Big Klu]

so about two weeks?

Maybe two and a half. Remember that there is a four-day All-Star Break included in there.