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Ironman92
08-07-2016, 01:02 PM
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Need a win

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 01:26 PM
Was kind of hoping Tony Renda could get a Sunday special start.

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 01:39 PM
Gerrit Cole career ERA against Reds: 5.30
Gerrit Cole career ERA against everybody else: 2.85

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 01:41 PM
The socks are all wrong for the Pirates' throwback 1979 uniforms. They wore yellow stirrups with the black pants.

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 01:43 PM
if there was one player I could erase from the Reds team, it would be Billy Hamilton. No question. The Pirates cannot get him out.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 01:46 PM
Billy walks, steals 2nd, Cozart grounds out, Billy steals 3rd, Votto walks.

1st and 3rd with one out for Duvall.

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 01:46 PM
The Pirates have never won a game against the Reds in which Gerrit Cole pitched.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 01:49 PM
Billy Havoc! Scores on a ground ball out that could have been a DP.

1-0 Redlegs

TheRedScare
08-07-2016, 01:49 PM
Why is Votto incapable of sliding?

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 01:50 PM
Why is Votto incapable of sliding?
http://projects.cincinnati.com/Photos/vottoknee.jpg

TheRedScare
08-07-2016, 01:50 PM
http://projects.cincinnati.com/Photos/vottoknee.jpg

4 years ago, time to get over it.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 01:50 PM
Why is Votto incapable of sliding?

Good question.

Now a question.

If the catcher isn't blocking the plate...would it not be faster to "run through" the plate?

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 01:52 PM
It's getting to the point where the Pirates should think about moving the rotation around to get Cole to not pitch against the Reds.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 01:52 PM
4 years ago, time to get over it.

I have no shame in saying I want Votto to play like he is wrapped in bubblewrap the next 7-8 years.

Body preservation.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 01:52 PM
4 years ago, time to get over it.
That's what you say now, then if he gets injured he's an albatross stealing money by being in the DL. The classic "Can't win" scenario, like Junior busting it down to first and hurting his hamstring.

He should have slid, but I'm more concerned with him being healthy.

Kc61
08-07-2016, 01:53 PM
Good question.

Now a question.

If the catcher isn't blocking the plate...would it not be faster to "run through" the plate?

Guessing Votto felt running through was the best play there.

Not sure he's right, but I think it was a decision on the best play.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 01:54 PM
C'mon Scheb, swings at a high 3-0 fastball and stares at 3-2 right over the plate.

2-0 Redlegs tho.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 01:55 PM
Good question.

Now a question.

If the catcher isn't blocking the plate...would it not be faster to "run through" the plate?

I've occasionally wondered the same thing.

Also, was Votto being told to slide by the on-deck hitter (Schebler), who is supposed to serve as a de facto "4th base coach" on plays like that.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 01:58 PM
Chris dropping BABIP on George.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 01:58 PM
I've occasionally wondered the same thing.

Also, was Votto being told to slide by the on-deck hitter (Schebler), who is supposed to serve as a de facto "4th base coach" on plays like that.

I figure sliding gives the catcher a smaller target to hit when it is a wild sweep tag. That's all I can come up with.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:01 PM
Having watched almost all of these damn Reds games he last few years, my interpretation is that Votto doesn't like to slide when he feels he doesn't 'need' to stemming from the 2012 injury. If they are saying "down, down" or it's an obvious close play he'll slide, but if not he isn't about to slide into home on a play that doesn't appear to 'need' it.

TheRedScare
08-07-2016, 02:02 PM
I'll give Votto the BOTD since it didn't look like Schebler gave him the signal to slide - he's just lucky that McCutchen has a noodle arm

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:04 PM
Reds down quickly in order in the 2nd.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 02:07 PM
I figure sliding gives the catcher a smaller target to hit when it is a wild sweep tag. That's all I can come up with.

I guess so. But runners are encouraged to "run through" first base to get there as quickly as possible, and to slide going into 2nd and 3rd so they don't overrun the bag. (Sliding causes friction, which slows the runner down and allows him to "stop on a dime".)


Maybe someone should text Chris Welsh and ask him to do a Tech Talk on it.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 02:08 PM
Quick and easy 2nd inning for Straily.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 02:09 PM
Yep and if the catcher tags low he is going to get the runner regardless. The runner has to touch the plate!

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:10 PM
"Marintez"

c'mon FS Ohio

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:11 PM
Clean 2nd for Straily, only needed 20 pitches through 2.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 02:13 PM
"Marintez"

c'mon FS Ohio

Yeah, but then there's "Jhonny".

C'mon, Mama & Papa Peralta! ;)

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 02:14 PM
Gerrit Cole career ERA against Reds: 5.49
Gerrit Cole career ERA against everybody else: 2.85

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Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:14 PM
Billy leadoff ground rule double!

Close play, but he steals 3rd.

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 02:15 PM
Billy Hamilton lol. Seriously.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 02:18 PM
Franchester is giddy as a schoolgirl, as Votto hits a sac fly to score Hamilton.

WrongVerb
08-07-2016, 02:19 PM
Votto hitting sacrifice flies? #elite

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 02:21 PM
Gerrit Cole career ERA against Reds: 5.58
Gerrit Cole career ERA against everybody else: 2.85

Gandalf the Red
08-07-2016, 02:21 PM
George,

Stop trying to make "happy feet" happen. It's not happening!

Sincerely,

Regina George

Kc61
08-07-2016, 02:22 PM
How about this for the front of the lineup soon -

Hamilton CF
Winker LF
Votto 1B
Senzel 3B

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 02:23 PM
Shout out to the bearded Reds fan in the third base stands behind the dugout. He's been showing up for years.

(He always sticks out in the sea of nasty Bucs fans.)

TheRedScare
08-07-2016, 02:24 PM
Billy ball

Kc61
08-07-2016, 02:24 PM
What a play.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:24 PM
Billy!!! Wow!

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 02:25 PM
I'll trade you Jameson Taillon and Tyler Glasnow for Billy Hamilton, just so he doesn't play against the Pirates.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 02:25 PM
What did Billy just do?...he got turned around twice and made maybe the best recovery catch in MLB history

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:26 PM
Eugenio triple or quadruple clutched it but Cole was mall-walking to first.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 02:27 PM
That didn't even look real. You can't get turned around like that, running that speed and then jump full to extend. Mind boggling play.

Kc61
08-07-2016, 02:28 PM
Hamilton has really rewarded the Reds' patience this year.

Over the next few seasons, while his top speed remains, he should be something else.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 02:28 PM
What did Billy just do?...he got turned around twice and made maybe the best recovery catch in MLB history

Forgive me but I noticed Grande said the same thing.

I saw Billy go to his left, and reversed and had to go back to his right.

Isn't that getting turned around once? (Turned around implies you went the wrong way the first time)

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:29 PM
I'm getting attached to Dan Straily, which is bad because I still think trading him when the opportunity arises would be a prudent move in the long run. But I loved the Reds picking him up, he's pitched very well, and he seems to be a really good clubhouse guy.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 02:29 PM
George,

Stop trying to make "happy feet" happen. It's not happening!

Sincerely,

Regina George

https://lastocean.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/hf1.jpg

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 02:30 PM
Those groupings of Phillips with Alomar, Morgan, Biggio and Sandberg are lol...c'mon man

ScotlandRed
08-07-2016, 02:31 PM
Stop swinging so much Scott

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 02:31 PM
Because of how he performs against the Pirates, I often forget that Billy Hamilton isn't that good.

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 02:33 PM
The Reds have 7 straight perfect innings against the Pirates, going back to yesterday.

Kc61
08-07-2016, 02:34 PM
I'm getting attached to Dan Straily, which is bad because I still think trading him when the opportunity arises would be a prudent move in the long run. But I loved the Reds picking him up, he's pitched very well, and he seems to be a really good clubhouse guy.

The prudent move is to keep Straily in the rotation.

There is no reason to trade him if the goal is to have a good pitching staff soon.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 02:34 PM
Forgive me but I noticed Grande said the same thing.

I saw Billy go to his left, and reversed and had to go back to his right.

Isn't that getting turned around once? (Turned around implies you went the wrong way the first time)

I believe his initial lean/step was to his right (towards LF)...then committed towards RF and then turned towards LF to make the grab

Maybe not but camera takes a split second to get out there.

WrongVerb
08-07-2016, 02:37 PM
I believe his initial lean/step was to his right (towards LF)...then committed towards RF and then turned towards LF to make the grab

Maybe not but camera takes a split second to get out there.

Camera from behind home plate had it all the way and that is exactly what he did. Turned to his right, then to his left, then all the way around, then made the catch going back the other way.

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 02:37 PM
The Reds have 7 straight perfect innings against the Pirates, going back to yesterday.


That's 8.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:38 PM
nothing but zeros for Straily, 12 up, 12 down

Kc61
08-07-2016, 02:39 PM
Straily fans Cutch. That at bat was a pitching clinic.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 02:39 PM
Because of how he performs against the Pirates, I often forget that Billy Hamilton isn't that good.

Down deep, you LOVE Billy Hamilton! :luvu:

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:42 PM
The prudent move is to keep Straily in the rotation.

There is no reason to trade him if the goal is to have a good pitching staff soon.
There is plenty of reason to trade him, see your boy Alfredo Simon falling back to earth for instance. There is invariably some regression coming for Dan.

You don't trade him just to trade him, but he is hardly untouchable.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 02:42 PM
Camera from behind home plate had it all the way and that is exactly what he did. Turned to his right, then to his left, then all the way around, then made the catch going back the other way.

I do see that now. It was a full 360!

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 02:44 PM
Do you believe in miracles?!?!?! YES!

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:47 PM
The no hitter is gone. Joyce solo HR.

3-1

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 02:47 PM
The Reds have 7 straight perfect innings against the Pirates, going back to yesterday.

Rookie

Gandalf the Red
08-07-2016, 02:48 PM
There is plenty of reason to trade him, see your boy Alfredo Simon falling back to earth for instance. There is invariably some regression coming for Dan.

You don't trade him just to trade him, but he is hardly untouchable.

Clearly ;)

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 02:49 PM
That was bad karma by George and Chris, talking about no-hitters and perfect games in the fifth inning.

Kc61
08-07-2016, 02:52 PM
There is plenty of reason to trade him, see your boy Alfredo Simon falling back to earth for instance. There is invariably some regression coming for Dan.

You don't trade him just to trade him, but he is hardly untouchable.

Nice job changing the subject. Nobody said Straily is "untouchable."

Simon wasn't due to regress. He lost his ground ball ability, so he went south. Had he continued to throw grounders with a solid infield, and keep his walks down, he would have continued to do well.

Look beyond the K rate, fella. There's more to pitching.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 02:53 PM
Simon wasn't due to regress. He lost his ground ball ability, so he went south. Had he continued to throw grounders with a solid infield, and keep his walks down, he would have continued to do well.

Dude, that's what regression is.



Look beyond the K rate, fella. There's more to pitching.Straily's K rate is fine, it's the few too many walks and unsustainable BABIP that makes him more BOR than how he is currently pitching.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 02:53 PM
You gotta block that.

Cabrera seems to be a below-average defensive catcher, average at best.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 02:56 PM
This goes out to Kc61 on his neverending quest to "back" Simon.

http://d3fhkv6xpescls.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Dont-give-up-300x171.jpg

WrongVerb
08-07-2016, 02:57 PM
You gotta block that.

Cabrera seems to be a below-average defensive catcher, average at best.

I've noticed this all season. It's one reason I was hoping the Reds would pick up Austin Barnes or even Mike Zunino from Seattle. Cabrera is barely adequate. He doesn't even call a good game, despite how this one is going.

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Anyone consider that given how few starts Straily actually had had in the majors that this might be his regression?

Kc61
08-07-2016, 02:57 PM
Dude, that's what regression is.

No dude. That's not what regression is.

Regression is when you do the same thing and it no longer succeeds, it corrects.

Simon did not do the same thing. His abilities changed. His pitches failed to move downward. He could no longer throw ground balls at a high rate.

Look beyond the K rate. Nobody strikes out 27 per nine innings.

ScotlandRed
08-07-2016, 03:00 PM
I've noticed this all season. It's one reason I was hoping the Reds would pick up Austin Barnes or even Mike Zunino from Seattle. Cabrera is barely adequate. He doesn't even call a good game, despite how this one is going.

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Anyone consider that given how few starts Straily actually had had in the majors that this might be his regression?

Gotta remember he is our 3rd choice catcher

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:04 PM
Regression is when you do the same thing and it no longer succeeds, it corrects.

Simon did not do the same thing. His abilities changed. His pitches failed to move downward. He could no longer throw ground balls at a high rate.

The 77.5% LOB rate Simon had in 2014 was not sustainable. It meant he was better at stranding runners on base than Max Scherzer, Jon Lester, and Madison Bumgarner. It corrected.

I can't believe in the year of our lord 2016 you are still defending Simon's fluke season as being his true talent level.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:04 PM
Gotta remember he is our 3rd choice catcher

Very good point. He was penciled in as our AAA catcher at the beginning of the season.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:08 PM
Nice job by Duvall to beat out a DP ball after a Votto walk.

Kc61
08-07-2016, 03:10 PM
Dude, that's what regression is.

Straily's K rate is fine, it's the few too many walks and unsustainable BABIP that makes him more BOR than how he is currently pitching.

Straily's BABIP is low because his grounder rate is low. He throws a lot of playable fly balls. That will suppress BABIP. Even if his BABIP rises a bit, he'll still be effective.

Straily's issue is his home run rate. Since he throws many fly balls, as Chris Welsh mentioned today, his homer rate has been inching up. Pitching at GABP, he has a challenge in avoiding the long ball.

But he is an intelligent pitcher who mixes things up well. We've all read how he works in the off-season to keep his velocity up.

So I do not think Straily's success is an accident and I would not look to move him at this stage.

Banshee
08-07-2016, 03:12 PM
Duval's "speed" manufactures a run on BP's bloop!

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:13 PM
Duvall steals 2nd and BP bloops one to drive in the run

4-1 Redlegs

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:13 PM
How about that?!

Duvall with a delayed steal of 2nd, then a bloop single by DatDude on a pitch at his ankles for can RBI!

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 03:13 PM
The 77.5% LOB rate Simon had in 2014 was not sustainable. It meant he was better at stranding runners on base than Max Scherzer, Jon Lester, and Madison Bumgarner. It corrected.

I can't believe in the year of our lord 2016 you are still defending Simon's fluke season as being his true talent level.

He wasn't a horrible pitcher in 2014. But his overall sucess was driven by a "fortunate" 1st half. 85.1% LOB

That first half caused him to be viewed through a different lens.

His ground ball rate in his awful 2015 was 48%. In his "good" first half of 2014 it was 49%.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=2155&position=P&season=2014

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:15 PM
Straily's BABIP is low because his grounder rate is low. He throws a lot of playable fly balls. That will suppress BABIP. Even if his BABIP rises a bit, he'll still be effective.

Straily's issue is his home run rate. Since he throws a lot of fly balls, as Chris Welsh mentioned today, his homer rate has been inching up. Pitching at GABP, he has a challenge in avoiding the long ball.

But he is an intelligent pitcher who mixes things up well. We've all read how he works in the off-season to keep his velocity up.

So I do not think Straily's success is an accident and I would not look to move him at this stage.
His success makes sense, he is a solid BOR starter. I am a fan who was thrilled when the Reds picked him up in the spring for nothing. But his stats are likely to regress from their current level, resulting in a less attractive BOR starter. I am not and did not say they need to move him RIGHT NOW, just that I would not count on him pitching like this for the next 2-3 years and hence trading him when the right offer is presented would make a lot of sense.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:19 PM
Bastardo's cap doesn't look very flat on top. It actually looks like a regular Pirates cap with some gold stripes around the sides.

Kc61
08-07-2016, 03:21 PM
His success makes sense, he is a solid BOR starter. I am a fan who was thrilled when the Reds picked him up in the spring for nothing. But his stats are likely to regress from their current level, resulting in a less attractive BOR starter. I am not and did not say they need to move him RIGHT NOW, just that I would not count on him pitching like this for the next 2-3 years and hence trading him when the right offer is presented would make a lot of sense.

You were correct when Straily was acquired, frankly I was dubious. But since the rebuilding is never linear,, I'm glad to see a few of these guys, Disco and Straily mainly, showing that they know how to pitch successfully.

Which brings us to Schebler. He looks tight as a drum. Relax, man, if you could destroy AAA, you can do ok here too.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 03:21 PM
I don't know if it was mentioned but the Bucs traded that Camienro guy to Seattle the other day. I thought he would be a good one.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 03:23 PM
You were correct when Straily was acquired, frankly I was dubious. But since the rebuilding is never linear,, I'm glad to see a few of these guys, Disco and Straily mainly, showing that they know how to pitch successfully.

Which brings us to Schebler. He looks tight as a drum. Relax, man, if you could destroy AAA, you can do ok here too.

Xanax anyone?

Kinda serious. All this talk with Reed being jittery and nervously. Could something like that help?

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:23 PM
I don't know if it was mentioned but the Bucs traded that Camienro guy to Seattle the other day. I thought he would be a good one.

George and Chris just mentioned it.

kaldaniels
08-07-2016, 03:24 PM
George and Chris just mentioned it.

Ha!

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:24 PM
Josh Harrison HR.

4-2 game

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 03:26 PM
Phillips hasn't Edmonds'd a play in a long time...nice one there.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:26 PM
BP hot doggin it a little, but a nice grab.

Kc61
08-07-2016, 03:26 PM
Xanax anyone?

Kinda serious. All this talk with Reed being jittery and nervously. Could something like that help?

Kal, I think when you rebuild with kids you're going to encounter some guys who need time to get acclimated and comfortable.

Some who can immediately handle it.

And some who just aren't too good.

We certainly will find out which is which, LOL.

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 03:27 PM
Xanax anyone?

Kinda serious. All this talk with Reed being jittery and nervously. Could something like that help?

Some folks actually perform better when they're nervous- they say Olivier used to get terrible stage fright every time he went on stage or before the cameras. he'd use it to his advantage.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:29 PM
I think Schebler looks pretty comfortable, he's just naturally swing happy. But you gotta be better at which ones you choose to swing at.

Reed, conversely, does seem nervous. And I have a bad feeling about him playing the Cardinals again, facing the Cubs twice in a row didn't help him. I hate the "nothing to prove in AAA" stuff.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 03:29 PM
Things that make us all happy:

Adam Wainright is getting hammered by the Braves and this deep into the season his ERA is still 4.44

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 03:30 PM
I wonder if the development-rebuilding plan for Raisel allows him to pitch today?

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 03:35 PM
Some folks actually perform better when they're nervous- they say Olivier used to get terrible stage fright every time he went on stage or before the cameras. he'd use it to his advantage.

Oliver from the Brady Bunch? I knew the show was over once he arrived and Greg is bitten by a spider. I thought it was a Scooby Doo crossover episode.

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 03:37 PM
I wonder if the development-rebuilding plan for Raisel allows him to pitch today?

I like developing to win myself. Something you can do both of with him.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:39 PM
Tony Renda with an RBI PH single!

(I still think #49 is too "heavy" a number for him! #12 or #15 would suit him better! :D)

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:42 PM
Hamilton with a single on a hit-and-run! Renda to 3rd!

Tony's got some quickness!

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 03:44 PM
Have I ever mentioned how much Billy Hamilton owns the Pirates?

Banshee
08-07-2016, 03:44 PM
Great start by Straily, the reds will take 6 innings of 2 run ball every day. To me, at best maybe he could be an Arroyo type SP: an innings eater who posts around a 4-4.3'ish era and keeps his team in most of the games. If he can, that's pretty good for a #4-5 rotation guy.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:44 PM
Oliver from the Brady Bunch? I knew the show was over once he arrived and Greg is bitten by a spider. I thought it was a Scooby Doo crossover episode.

http://ll-media.tmz.com/98659-083011_rist_then_full-480w.jpg

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 03:44 PM
I like bench players who can hit more than being defensive/multi position players.

There was always room for a Sammy Mejias or Rick Aurbach types on your bench but now with almost as many pitchers on your roster as position players......I really dislike this form of roster creation/thinking.

ThatPitchIsDunn
08-07-2016, 03:46 PM
Wikipedia- I seem to remember this pitcher. Why is that?

"On June 9, 2013, Partch made his Major League debut in the 10th inning against the St. Louis Cardinals, giving up a grand slam to Matt Holliday, the first batter he faced."

Oh yeah. Barf.

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 03:46 PM
http://ll-media.tmz.com/98659-083011_rist_then_full-480w.jpg


I cannot imagine he aged well right?

And I also forgot about Vincent Price just showing up like an early version of Mr. Furley with those swinging 70's clothes.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:46 PM
Have I ever mentioned how much Billy Hamilton owns the Pirates?

No, you never have. :D

SB #4 on the afternoon for Billy.

BCubb2003
08-07-2016, 03:47 PM
Oliver from the Brady Bunch? I knew the show was over once he arrived and Greg is bitten by a spider. I thought it was a Scooby Doo crossover episode.

Al Olivier, Pirates slugger, second biggest baseball name from Portsmouth.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:48 PM
Was Curtis Partch the guy who gave up a grand slam to the Cardinals in his debut?

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:49 PM
I cannot imagine he aged well right?

And I also forgot about Vincent Price just showing up like an early version of Mr. Furley with those swinging 70's clothes.

Funny you should ask...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GPCxbC1i9XI/hqdefault.jpg

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:49 PM
Wikipedia- I seem to remember this pitcher. Why is that?

"On June 9, 2013, Partch made his Major League debut in the 10th inning against the St. Louis Cardinals, giving up a grand slam to Matt Holliday, the first batter he faced."

Oh yeah. Barf.
Oh there's my answer lol

BCubb2003
08-07-2016, 03:50 PM
The Pirates should just intentionally walk the batter in front of Billy.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:51 PM
Al Olivier, Pirates slugger, second biggest baseball name from Portsmouth.

Second biggest? Who's the biggest?

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 03:51 PM
Billy Hamilton has 35 runs scored against the Pirates. the next most against one team is only 24.

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 03:53 PM
Second biggest? Who's the biggest?

Branch Rickey.

BCubb2003
08-07-2016, 03:53 PM
Second biggest? Who's the biggest?

Branch Rickey.

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 03:54 PM
Al Olivier, Pirates slugger, second biggest baseball name from Portsmouth.

Great hitter. Not so gold glove but you could just hide him in LF. You might dislike the lack of walks but he did just fine without

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:54 PM
Branch Rickey.


Branch Rickey.

Gotcha. I never knew he was from Portsmouth.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 03:54 PM
Duvall OPS at .814 now, getting down closer to Frazier level.

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 03:55 PM
Funny you should ask...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GPCxbC1i9XI/hqdefault.jpg


He does not look that bad at all. He just had that young face that does not seem to age well after the baby fat is gone.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 03:56 PM
Great hitter. Not so gold glove but you could just hide him in LF. You might dislike the lack of walks but he did just fine without

He could also play a passable 1B. (The Pirates used to use him in CF.)

TheRedScare
08-07-2016, 04:00 PM
I guess Raisel Iglesias is our low leverage reliever now, cool

Banshee
08-07-2016, 04:00 PM
Price sure does love using Iggy in lopsided games..

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:00 PM
Back to back walks by Iggy to start the 7th. Not good.

This is something I have noticed about Iglesias the reliever, which is that sometimes he seems to be throwing his stuff so hard and with so much movement that he can't find the zone.

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:01 PM
I like developing to win myself. Something you can do both of with him.

Not Bryan- requires too much imagination.

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 04:03 PM
He could also play a passable 1B. (The Pirates used to use him in CF.)

Right I forget he was there too. The difference besides the stronger overall bullpen the Reds had.... between those Reds and Pirates teams was the defense was lacking for Pittsburgh.

Manny could hit but not a good catcher, Richie Zisk was a statue already. Dave Cash was good but then they trade him and Rennie Stennet was average.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:03 PM
Back to back walks by Iggy to start the 7th. Not good.

This is something I have noticed about Iglesias the reliever, which is that sometimes he seems to be throwing his stuff so hard and with so much movement that he can't find the zone.

Make that back-to-back-to-back.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:03 PM
Lol at this

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:03 PM
Ugh.

BCubb2003
08-07-2016, 04:03 PM
The Reds need a Scott Sullivan-type who can go multiple innings whenever needed, and a starting staff that goes deep enough that he's not needed too much.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:04 PM
Iggy throwing 98 is great, but a 92 mph fastball that is a strike would suffice.

Gandalf the Red
08-07-2016, 04:05 PM
The Reds need a Scott Sullivan-type who can go multiple innings whenever needed, and a starting staff that goes deep enough that he's not needed too much.

Scott Sullivan was a hero.

WVRedsFan
08-07-2016, 04:05 PM
Dang. Here they come. IGGY apparently doesn't have it. Shame

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:07 PM
Al Olivier, Pirates slugger, second biggest baseball name from Portsmouth.

In the Portsmouth area Larry Hisle was and many still consider the top player.

My home school was in the same league with Portsmouth and watching Oliver's grandson play PG in basketball was special...cool looking across and seeing Oliver always in the front row.

I student taught at a tiny elementary school on the edge of Pike Co and bordering Scioto Co. Maybe 100 in the community...where Branch Rickey was raised.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:09 PM
MLB Network gushing over that BHam catch

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:10 PM
Fhrowing a strike on an 0-2 count is always such a good idea.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:11 PM
In the Portsmouth area Larry Hisle was and many still consider the top player.

My home school was in the same league with Portsmouth and watching Oliver's grandson play PG in basketball was special...cool looking across and seeing Oliver always in the front row.

I student taught at a tiny elementary school on the edge of Pike Co and bordering Scioto Co. Maybe 100 in the community...where Branch Rickey was raised.

Larry Hisle may have been an even better basketball player than a baseball player. I think he was recruited by Fred Taylor to go to Ohio State, but he elected to go with baseball.

The American Legion team in Portsmouth had both Oliver and Hisle on it, as well as Gene Tenace (who was from nearby Lucasville).

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 04:12 PM
Terrible 0-2 pitch to Cervelli. Throw it in the dirt or low. Not that hanging fruit.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:13 PM
So the Reds just used their best reliever in the 7th inning of a 5 run game and now he's likely unavailable tomorrow. Cool.

When can we make the Bryan Price extension official?

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:13 PM
That's enough for Iglesias. One inning only for him today, if I'm calling the shots.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:13 PM
Larry Hisle may have been an even better basketball player than a baseball player. I think he was recruited by Fred Taylor to go to Ohio State, but he elected to go with baseball.

The American Legion team in Portsmouth had both Oliver and Hisle on it, as well as Gene Tenace (who was from nearby Lucasville).

One of the coaches who led that legion team...his grandson in the varsity coach here in Jackson.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:15 PM
So the Reds just used their best reliever in the 7th inning of a 5 run game and now he's likely unavailable tomorrow. Cool.

When can we make the Bryan Price extension official?

Two straight appearances. This is clearly the plan that will lead the Reds to win the World Series in 2019 and probably also 2020 and 2021.

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:15 PM
So the Reds just used their best reliever in the 7th inning of a 5 run game and now he's likely unavailable tomorrow. Cool.

When can we make the Bryan Price extension official?

Its "rebuilding" or "development" or something. I call it not being able to walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.

WVRedsFan
08-07-2016, 04:16 PM
So the Reds just used their best reliever in the 7th inning of a 5 run game and now he's likely unavailable tomorrow. Cool.

When can we make the Bryan Price extension official?Not soon enough...

ScotlandRed
08-07-2016, 04:17 PM
DatDude is piping hot

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:17 PM
Phillips en fuego

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 04:17 PM
He can probably still pitch tomorrow if he they do not use him next inning. Unless he is not allowed back to back games?

He has to be doing this on purpose. I mean you use Ohlendorf in tight games, even Diaz still. The guy does weird things when it comes to running his bullpen and has so since 2014, injuries or not.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:17 PM
....and also one of the worst base runners ever at trying for extra bases

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:18 PM
Uh...why does George think Schebler is Cozart?

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:19 PM
Speed

Glacier < Votto < Phillips < Fast Glacier

ScotlandRed
08-07-2016, 04:21 PM
Rough series for Schebler.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:22 PM
Rough series for Schebler.
0 for 11 with 7 Ks...not ideal.

I wouldn't get too high or too low with him, just keep letting him play. He started off slow in AAA after being demoted in May and then turned it on.

WVRedsFan
08-07-2016, 04:22 PM
Not a Schebler fan yet. Maybe in time, though.

ScotlandRed
08-07-2016, 04:23 PM
0 for 11 with 7 Ks...not ideal.

I wouldn't get too high or too low with him, just keep letting him play. He started off slow in AAA after being demoted in May and then turned it on.

Yeah I'm still down for him playing every day. Not really gone for him since the walk off though.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:24 PM
He can probably still pitch tomorrow if he they do not use him next inning. Unless he is not allowed back to back games?

He has to be doing this on purpose. I mean you use Ohlendorf in tight games, even Diaz still. The guy does weird things when it comes to running his bullpen and has so since 2014, injuries or not.

I don't believe that he's pitched in back-to-back games yet this season, and he's pitched with only one day rest once. (And one of the appearances sandwiching that day of rest was 0.1 inning.)

WVRedsFan
08-07-2016, 04:25 PM
Walks, walks, walks.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:25 PM
Yeah I'm still down for him playing every day. Not really gone for him since the walk off though.
Yeah, seen some good and some bad. Some good hacks that just haven't fallen in since the walkoff, but obviously the three K game the other day and the golden sombrero today shows his weakness.

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:28 PM
4 run lead in a big ballpark- just throw the fastball over the plate.

RedsBrick
08-07-2016, 04:29 PM
Phillips' slash on July 1: .253/.294/.374/.667. As of today: .278/.314/.400/.714.

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 04:30 PM
Swing and hope you run into one works when they are throwing you strikes. He looks like Bruce during one of his bad streaks from the last 2 years.

I agree though let him play as you need to know what you have.

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:30 PM
4 run lead in a big ballpark- just throw the fastball over the plate.

or not

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:33 PM
Great play by Cozart to save a run

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 04:33 PM
Phillips' slash on July 1: .253/.294/.374/.667. As of today: .278/.314/.400/.714.

I think all the talk of sitting made him mad. No way his hand healed up that fast that well. Good for him.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:34 PM
I think all the talk of sitting made him mad. No way his hand healed up that fast that well. Good for him.
Agreed.

Now maybe he's mad enough to accept a trade. :redface:

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:36 PM
This Lorenzen might be ok. Threw some very nice pitches after the walks.

BCubb2003
08-07-2016, 04:37 PM
I think all the talk of sitting made him mad. No way his hand healed up that fast that well. Good for him.

In that case, make all the guys mad.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:41 PM
Bunt single would be nice for Billy here.

Or a regular ground ball single.

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:42 PM
Its nice when you got two guys who can throw 96-97 with movement. I guess the cupboard isn't all bare.

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:42 PM
I hope Billy steals 2nd and 3rd then shakes his butt at the Pirates dugout

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:43 PM
If they are going to throw over like that you might as well steal

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:44 PM
Its nice when you got two guys who can throw 96-97 with movement. I guess the cupboard isn't all bare.

I love the silent "p"

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:45 PM
Just have no answers on WTH he was doing there?

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 04:46 PM
3 of Hamilton's 7 three hit games this season are against the Pirates.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:46 PM
I love the silent "p"

What silent "p"?

You don't call it a "cup-board"? :D

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:47 PM
What silent "p"?

You don't call it a "cup-board"?
I prounounce it 'cubbard'

TheTimeIsNow
08-07-2016, 04:47 PM
NOW we throw him out!! Of course!

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:48 PM
Just have no answers on WTH he was doing there?

Not an excuse, but I wonder if the shadows from the light tower had any effect. (I couldn't follow the action very well on TV.)

ThatPitchIsDunn
08-07-2016, 04:48 PM
Cing for the laughs and Cing for the tears.

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:49 PM
Old Mother Bryan went to the Cupboard........

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:50 PM
I prounounce it 'cubbard'

So does everyone else in the English-speaking world! :D

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:51 PM
BAM! You're out! :lol:

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:51 PM
Not an excuse, but I wonder if the shadows from the light tower had any effect. (I couldn't follow the action very well on TV.)

The shadows made him take 3 steps to steal and stop in no man's land in the middle of 1st and 2nd?

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:52 PM
Great pickoff move lol. Awesome to jog back to dugout down by 4 and be leading off 3 feet and get picked off

Ironman92
08-07-2016, 04:53 PM
Game over....Reds win

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:53 PM
ATOBTTR!

Reds salvage one!

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:53 PM
Almost as bad as walking Rodriquez when you're up four.

Tom Servo
08-07-2016, 04:53 PM
Yesiree! We're good again! :beerme:

BCubb2003
08-07-2016, 04:53 PM
We're good for now!

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 04:54 PM
I buried Melissa McCarthy!

WVRedsFan
08-07-2016, 04:55 PM
With the win, no bragging from Pittsburgh for awhile at my house, Grateful

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 04:55 PM
In that case, make all the guys mad.


Some players play better when they are challenged. Brandon has not had to worry too much about Anyone trying to take his position.

Like Tommy Servo said.......maybe he will be mad enough to go now, just don't go away mad......becuz we do love you.

Mutaman
08-07-2016, 04:55 PM
A very nice win on the road against a decent desperate team. Nice effort.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:56 PM
Great pickoff move lol. Awesome to jog back to dugout down by 4 and be leading off 3 feet and get picked off

You know that Hurdle turned purple in the dugout and said to him, "Where the [bleep] were you going?"

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 04:57 PM
Almost as bad as walking Rodriquez when you're up four.

Cingrani just would have picked off Rodriguez and his man-bun if he hadn't gotten the DP instead.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 05:02 PM
On pace for 66-96.

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 05:04 PM
I buried Melissa McCarthy!

I can't believe she's gone!

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2016, 05:09 PM
I can't believe she's gone!

Too soon from what I hear. I just barely got over burying Flanders.

WVRedsFan
08-07-2016, 05:18 PM
I can't believe she's gone!Searched the net and no mention of this

Big Klu
08-07-2016, 06:14 PM
Searched the net and no mention of this

It's sort of a running gag here in the game threads. Several of us are receiving ads here on RedsZone that are worded in such a way that it sounds like Melissa McCarthy has died, but what they are really advertising is some sort of weight-loss program that she maybe might have used or been associated with.

WVRedsFan
08-07-2016, 07:33 PM
It's sort of a running gag here in the game threads. Several of us are receiving ads here on RedsZone that are worded in such a way that it souds like Melissa McCarthy has died, but what they are really advertising is some sort of weight-loss program that she maybe might have used or been associated with.Apologies.
My absence here lately is the culprit. Too much flooding and not enough RedsZone.