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Ironman92
08-08-2016, 06:37 PM
Go Reds!

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160808/51fd5354b1e950a2e127c8419bce667f.jpg

Puffy
08-08-2016, 07:05 PM
I hate the Cardinals.

Raisor
08-08-2016, 07:24 PM
I hate the Cardinals and their stupid fans

klw
08-08-2016, 07:29 PM
Is my math correct?

8/8/16= 1/16th

'69
08-08-2016, 07:51 PM
Is my math correct?

8/8/16= 1/16th

0.0625

No, sorry. ;)

aernisius
08-08-2016, 08:21 PM
There is a game being played. Billy beats any posts to second base. Single and a stolen base.

RedsBrick
08-08-2016, 08:27 PM
Unfortunately watching the Cardinals broadcast. Jim Edmonds getting all over Hamilton for taking third. Said there was no reason for it and he did it just to pad his stats. Sheesh...

Gandalf the Red
08-08-2016, 08:29 PM
It might be more efficient if they did a 30 second commercial on products/companies that Peyton Manning does not endorse.

Kc61
08-08-2016, 08:29 PM
Unfortunately watching the Cardinals broadcast. Jim Edmonds getting all over Hamilton for taking third. Said there was no reason for it and he did it just to pad his stats. Sheesh...

Hasn't Jim ever heard of a wild pitch?

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 08:30 PM
Unfortunately watching the Cardinals broadcast. Jim Edmonds getting all over Hamilton for taking third. Said there was no reason for it and he did it just to pad his stats. Sheesh...
Seriously? What a dick.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 08:31 PM
I would give you my opinions of Jim Edmonds, except the RedsZone filter would censor every word.

Obviously Billy doesn't play the game the right way.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 08:34 PM
What's wrong with Jim Edmonds, outside of him confirming something that many on this board (self included) believe to be true- that the Reds' medical staff sucks?

RedsBrick
08-08-2016, 08:35 PM
I think his agent lied to him and told him he gets paid by the word. He won't shut up...

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 08:38 PM
What's wrong with Jim Edmonds...?
If you have to ask this I find it hard to believe you are genuinely a Reds fan.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 08:39 PM
That's kind of amazing. A scoreless first inning! Is that the first time Reed has done that this season?

HokieRed
08-08-2016, 08:40 PM
Reed gets through first unscathed. Very important.

GADawg
08-08-2016, 08:42 PM
i hate the Cardinals, and their stupid fans, and their stupid announcers

GADawg
08-08-2016, 08:45 PM
i heart Barnhart

Gandalf the Red
08-08-2016, 08:45 PM
Suarez trying to kick it into gear by early September to earn that Bobblehead night.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 08:47 PM
Cozart RBI double, assisted by Matt Holliday still not knowing how to play LF

2-0 Redlegs

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 08:47 PM
That's the Matt Holiday I've known and loathed his entire career.

Gandalf the Red
08-08-2016, 08:47 PM
Matt Holiday is no Billy Hamilton out there.

GADawg
08-08-2016, 08:48 PM
yes Holiday is a great outfielder

RedsBrick
08-08-2016, 08:50 PM
What shift?

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 08:50 PM
Piscotty might be the worst defensive outfielder that I've seen since Dunn

Banshee
08-08-2016, 08:50 PM
Votto bloop triple, 3-0 redlegs!

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 08:50 PM
Great AB by Votto, and great defense by the Cards lol.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 08:52 PM
Holliday doesn't know how to play the outfield after 13 years and Piscotty is literally bumbling around and tripping over his own feet but I was to believe that Jay Bruce was far and away the worst outfielder around. Okay.

RedsBrick
08-08-2016, 08:57 PM
I do wonder on that Votto AB. With as much bat control as he has, that huge opening on the left side must look appetizing to just slap it over there.

Tony Cloninger
08-08-2016, 09:06 PM
Bless Edmonds heart he's got to be the biggest D Bag in Redbirds uni this side of Crazy Carp.

He was considered a jerk and an A Hole with the Angels before the term D Bag was made into a cultural putdown and he has not changed.

I am sure his beautiful Way Younger wife on the RH of the OC married him for his personality, no doubt.

GADawg
08-08-2016, 09:06 PM
release Phillips

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 09:07 PM
Unfortunately watching the Cardinals broadcast. Jim Edmonds getting all over Hamilton for taking third. Said there was no reason for it and he did it just to pad his stats. Sheesh...

Says the guy who played fly balls into highlights?

Banshee
08-08-2016, 09:08 PM
First time I can remember the contact play working since Price has been the reds' mgr., 4-0 redlegs!

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 09:08 PM
release me...by Wilson Phillips

There

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 09:08 PM
Wow. The Cardinals play defense like a slo-pitch softball team.

BCubb2003
08-08-2016, 09:09 PM
Walka Walka Walka

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 09:13 PM
Walka Walka Walka

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/muppets-show/images/b/b7/Fozzie_Bear_3.png/revision/latest?cb=20140421111541

RedsBrick
08-08-2016, 09:18 PM
Phan should not have advanced to third...no reason for it other than to pad his stats.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 09:25 PM
Wacha walking Billy to lead off the 4th inning seems sub-optimal for STL. I'm not complaining though.

RedsfaninMT
08-08-2016, 09:35 PM
i hate the Cardinals, and their stupid fans, and their stupid announcers, and Yadier's stupid tatoos

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 09:36 PM
I think he was out of the baseline, but I also think it is difficult to prove that.

Strikes Out Looking
08-08-2016, 09:47 PM
How come the Cardinals have still not been punished for hacking into the Astros computer system? Seems to me if it was the Reds, they'd already be playing in Montreal.

Strikes Out Looking
08-08-2016, 09:50 PM
Remember when Wacha was the second coming of Cy Young?

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 09:50 PM
E7

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2016, 09:52 PM
Defense continues to screw Reed.

HokieRed
08-08-2016, 09:58 PM
Reed's breaking out.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 09:59 PM
5 scoreless for Reed.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 10:01 PM
Reed's breaking out.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Strikes Out Looking
08-08-2016, 10:03 PM
Why not take out Reed and let him leave on a high note?

Tony Cloninger
08-08-2016, 10:04 PM
Reed's breaking out.

Puberty can be tough.

Roy Tucker
08-08-2016, 10:07 PM
Watching the game during Olympic commercials. Looks like Reed is showing his mettle.

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 10:09 PM
Phillips snags a line smash over his head off Holliday's bat. Guessing it as one of the 5 hardest hit IF line drives of the season.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 10:11 PM
Great work Cody!

Banshee
08-08-2016, 10:12 PM
Reed seems to have slowed down his delivery a bit tonight and finally relaxing other than after Duvall dropped the one ball. Good outing, far from perfect, now grab some pine.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 10:15 PM
Either Gameday or this umpire is reAlly on the fitz. One or the other.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 10:16 PM
Either Gameday or this umpire is reAlly on the fitz. One or the other.
It's the ump.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 10:23 PM
JUMBO! now in the game.

Tadasimha
08-08-2016, 10:28 PM
Come on, Jumbo.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 10:28 PM
Come on Jumbo contribute for a change.

Roy Tucker
08-08-2016, 10:28 PM
So, I realize my memory is faulty, but when did Jumbo start wearing glasses?

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 10:30 PM
There is no excuse for this.

Banshee
08-08-2016, 10:30 PM
JUMBO! now in the game.

Le sigh...I guess the reds are just heck bent on making Jumbo the next big bullpen thing(no pun intended) despite his record.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 10:32 PM
TRF, come get your boy.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 10:35 PM
Lets bring up the tying run and get this over with.

Tadasimha
08-08-2016, 10:36 PM
Le sigh...I guess the reds are just heck bent on making Jumbo the next big bullpen thing(no pun intended) despite his record.

He'd been pretty good his last few outings

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 10:36 PM
Yesiree

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 10:36 PM
Ohhhh, great slider! Nice effort Wood.

BCubb2003
08-08-2016, 10:37 PM
So, I realize my memory is faulty, but when did Jumbo start wearing glasses?

Only the last month or so in Louisville. They say ir's made a difference in his pitching.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 10:37 PM
So, I realize my memory is faulty, but when did Jumbo start wearing glasses?

He got them after being sent down to Louisville for the first time this season. After he got there, someone on the LOU staff noticed that he might need his eyes checked.

Tadasimha
08-08-2016, 10:38 PM
Thanks, Matt

Always good to see a former River Bandit helping out the Reds!

Gandalf the Red
08-08-2016, 10:41 PM
He got them after being sent down to Louisville for the first time this season. After he got there, someone on the LOU staff noticed that he might need his eyes checked.

Pretty sure Lou Brown told him seeing was the most important thing.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 10:41 PM
Maybe Jumbo should recheck the prescription.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 10:41 PM
Better AB there, but can't life off the goodwill of that home run Scheb. The 0fers make people restless.

Tadasimha
08-08-2016, 10:47 PM
Schebs might need to sit a day or two, relax a bit

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 10:49 PM
Better AB there, but can't life off the goodwill of that home run Scheb. The 0fers make people restless.

5-for-11 in the three-game series in Cincinnati vs. the Cardinals.
0-for-15 since then.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 10:53 PM
Ump has been calling that 3rd pitch a strike all night.

Kc61
08-08-2016, 10:53 PM
Nice outing by Reed tonight. Threw ground balls. Threw a bunch of fastballs. Didn't leave the slider up in the zone.

Very encouraging.

Reds' bullpen still has a ways to go, can't live off Iglesias and Lorenzen every night.

Roy Tucker
08-08-2016, 10:54 PM
He got them after being sent down to Louisville for the first time this season. After he got there, someone on the LOU staff noticed that he might need his eyes checked.

Thanks. And thanks BCubb.

Thry look like Reeds glasses.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 10:58 PM
Wood was just pounding the zone with that slider and then effectively wild with the big fastball. Very impressive.

Kc61
08-08-2016, 10:58 PM
5-for-11 in the three-game series in Cincinnati vs. the Cardinals.
0-for-15 since then.

Duvall slumping. Schebler probably pressing. They are both better than this, it will turn.

Whether they are the answers in the corners is up for grabs, but not bad for now.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 10:58 PM
Thanks. And thanks BCubb.

Thry look like Reeds glasses.

I think they make him look like D-Von Dudley.

http://media.phillyvoice.com/media/images/Devon_Dudley_Bio_copy.5ffb0713.fill-735x490.jpg

Tadasimha
08-08-2016, 11:01 PM
I think they make him look like D-Von Dudley.

http://media.phillyvoice.com/media/images/Devon_Dudley_Bio_copy.5ffb0713.fill-735x490.jpg

No bad thing!

Tadasimha
08-08-2016, 11:02 PM
Billy, Zach and Joey just can't wait to watch Cingrani close it out!

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 11:04 PM
I wonder if Melissa McCarthy liked Panera before she left us too soon.

Tadasimha
08-08-2016, 11:04 PM
Hey, did you guys know fans are devastated about Melissa McCarthy?

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:07 PM
Hey, did you guys know fans are devastated about Melissa McCarthy?

Just happy my tapatalk view keeps me from that silliness

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:12 PM
4 pitch walk and now Carpenter on deck...get that damn dolphin ready

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:13 PM
And hits Wong on 1st pitch

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:13 PM
What is Cingrani doing?

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:13 PM
grand slam incoming

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:13 PM
Carpenter drills a single

Now 4-2

BluegrassRedleg
08-08-2016, 11:14 PM
Ground control to Major Price...

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:14 PM
What is Cingrani doing?

Making some Reds fans happy

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:14 PM
Nothing like the old fastball right down the pipe. do something Bryan!!!

Tadasimha
08-08-2016, 11:14 PM
Refocus quickly, Tony. Finish this

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:15 PM
Single to left

4-3

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:16 PM
Hey TONY....how about that 4 pitch walk!

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:16 PM
I almost feel like the 'Cingrani as closer' plan HAS to be a part of the tanking plan, because it really doesn't make any sense otherwise.

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:17 PM
Walk

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:17 PM
Now he is showing no guts. He's lost it.

BluegrassRedleg
08-08-2016, 11:18 PM
And lifts him for a right-hander against a lefty!!! You can't make this stuff up.

WVRedsFan
08-08-2016, 11:18 PM
I don't believe what I'm seeing. Cigrani tanks and who do we get?

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:18 PM
Now he is showing no guts. He's lost it.
Don't think guts has anything to do with it.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:18 PM
Just a disgusting inexcusable effort.

George Foster
08-08-2016, 11:18 PM
these are the type of games, if you lose make it a lot easier for the Reds to dump Price at the end of the year.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:18 PM
Don't think guts has anything to do with it.
has everything to do with it. Complete mental breakdown.

George Foster
08-08-2016, 11:19 PM
And lifts him for a right-hander against a lefty!!! You can't make this stuff up.

It "The Reds Way."

Kc61
08-08-2016, 11:19 PM
I almost feel like the 'Cingrani as closer' plan HAS to be a part of the tanking plan, because it really doesn't make any sense otherwise.

I think they are using Iggy a certain way to get him work and keep his shoulder healthy. They likely don't want Iggy to pitch consecutive days, or warming up too often.

Cingrani has been ok lately until tonight. But he is not a closer.

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:19 PM
Cingrani out, Mr better draft pick coming in to his role.

1st pitch gapper to win it is obvious. Cody Reed probably doesn't need a win this season to feel a bit more confident.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:19 PM
has everything to do with it. Complete mental breakdown.
He's been walking over 5 batters per 9 innings since 2014, he's just not very good.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:19 PM
Ohlendorf instead of Raisel. Could it be anymore obvious that Price is in over his head and always has been?

Roy Tucker
08-08-2016, 11:19 PM
Hey fellas, what the hell is going on? I turn my back for a minute and see this.

WrongVerb
08-08-2016, 11:20 PM
Hai guys, what's going on in here?

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:20 PM
Call me dumb but I probably leave Cingrani in for 1 pitch vs lefty Moss to see if he can get agead

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:21 PM
I'm glad it's August and we still have just one lefty in the bullpen lol

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:21 PM
Call me dumb but I probably leave Cingrani in for 1 pitch vs lefty Moss to see if he can get agead

absolutely not!!!

WrongVerb
08-08-2016, 11:21 PM
If this team is going to compete 2017-22, they really ought to sign Chapman.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 11:22 PM
Ohlendorf instead of Raisel. Could it be anymore obvious that Price is in over his head and always has been?

Raisel isn't available tonight. He pitched yesterday.

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:22 PM
absolutely not!!!

RH cream puff to a Reds killer though

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:23 PM
Great loss

George Foster
08-08-2016, 11:23 PM
Reed, poor guy can't buy a win with Iranian money.

WVRedsFan
08-08-2016, 11:23 PM
Just too much. Walked in the tying run.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 11:23 PM
It's laughable.

Banshee
08-08-2016, 11:23 PM
Oafendorf, whodathunkit...

BluegrassRedleg
08-08-2016, 11:23 PM
Un-freakin-believable.

Roy Tucker
08-08-2016, 11:24 PM
Poo.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:24 PM
It's a shame the Reds weren't up 8-0 so price had the green light to pitch Iggy

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:24 PM
I don't want the next Mike Trout if this is the process.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:24 PM
lol

BCubb2003
08-08-2016, 11:24 PM
The Ohlendorf is my least favorite Pokemon.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:24 PM
Ah c'mon Chris, don't try and give me the "Poor Bryan Price" routine, nobody made him use these pitchers here in this situation.

Tony Cloninger
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
Then why use Iggy in 5 or 7 run leads? Lorenzen is not being overused at all either.

He pushes starters as far as possible....making them learn lessons......as some have called it while treating Iggy and Lorenzen like fine china who cannot handle high leverage situations.

Using Ohlendorf now is complete garbage move. Cingrani was not but it took him too long to see a problem. Right after the walk I would have had someone strecthing then warming up after the
2nd bater.

George Foster
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
Bad news Reds......

RedsBrick
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
The sad part is it's believable.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
Honestly, this is a violation of Rule 21(a).

WVRedsFan
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
Price. Nuff said. Cingrani. Nuff said. Ohlendorf. Nuff said.

Roy Tucker
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
Can't say I've ever seen that before.

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
lol can we give Bryan Price that contract extension now?

NC Reds
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
Doubles defense allowed two catchable balls to land in.

Price takes this loss. Awful.

WrongVerb
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
Anyone listening to the game on the radio? Is Marty having a meltdown or going apoplectic?

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
Raisel isn't available tonight. He pitched yesterday.

I'm gonna go ahead and say he would have been okay for one out tonight after not pitching for 3 days prior to the 7th.

Yeah, obvious really.

Kc61
08-08-2016, 11:25 PM
I don't care about the loss. I only care that the Reds don't really think Cingrani is a closer.

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:26 PM
Disgusting. Completely disgusting. Completely embarrassing.

Hope that win propels the Birds to the wildcard and then on to the World Series

BluegrassRedleg
08-08-2016, 11:26 PM
Only positive that can come out of this is another Price media blow-up and his subsequent firing.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:27 PM
Cingrani's "effort" was one of the worst performences I've seen by a Reds player in many a moon. ohlendorff does not belonlong on a big league roster. This is why we can't have nice things. I'll take 'gutless' for $200 alex. You want to rebiuld-- bring in somebody who can make a good pitch in a big situation.

GADawg
08-08-2016, 11:27 PM
I give up....I'm spent

WrongVerb
08-08-2016, 11:27 PM
Price. Nuff said. Cingrani. Nuff said. Ohlendorf. Nuff said.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIGBkc6R8oU

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:27 PM
Also, Ohlendorf has been a joke this year. Not sure how any Reds fan can say otherwise

RedsBrick
08-08-2016, 11:27 PM
Exactly why Price is hopefully done. Bad, bad decisions.

Tony Cloninger
08-08-2016, 11:27 PM
Disgusting. Completely disgusting. Completely embarrassing.

Hope that win propels the Birds to the wildcard and then on to the World Series

Good grief are you kidding me?

Anything BUT that crap.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-08-2016, 11:27 PM
Price should be fired tomorrow.

George Foster
08-08-2016, 11:28 PM
I actually spent 3 1/2 hours of my life watching this game.

Elam
08-08-2016, 11:28 PM
Well that was embarrassing


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corkedbat
08-08-2016, 11:28 PM
Cingrani and Ohlendork shoulda been dealt at the deadline (considering what relievers were fetching). If no one wanted the O then he shoulda been DFA'd.

George Foster
08-08-2016, 11:28 PM
Price should be fired tomorrow.

5 runs with 2 outs....

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:28 PM
I mean, you have to admit it's pretty funny though.

Kc61
08-08-2016, 11:29 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and say he would have been okay for one out tonight after not pitching for 3 days prior to the 7th.

Yeah, obvious really.

Iglesias threw 32 pitches yesterday.

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:29 PM
Good grief are you kidding me?

Anything BUT that crap.

It looked like bought off play or tanking

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:29 PM
I didn't watch the last play---he actually lost the game by hitting the batter with a pitch????? seriously????

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:29 PM
Maybe Price should consider games like this when he throws Raisel in there with a 7-0 lead.

But, nah. Price is great. I trust him fully with the pitching.

Tony Cloninger
08-08-2016, 11:29 PM
I mean, you have to admit it's pretty funny though.


I admit nothing!

BOOK IT!

Elam
08-08-2016, 11:30 PM
I'll keep saying it, life is pain


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Big Klu
08-08-2016, 11:30 PM
All I know is that everyone who keeps preaching about draft picks and draft position had better not say a [bleep]ing word.

Roy Tucker
08-08-2016, 11:30 PM
US is kicking butt at the Olympics.

Reed pitched well.

That's all I got.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:30 PM
This has absoulutely nothing to do with a level of talent. Granted Olendorff has none but even i can do better than hitting a guy with a pitch.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:31 PM
Iglesias threw 32 pitches yesterday.

He'd have thrown 5 or so tonight, one way or another.

But yeah, keep defending Price by all means. I'm sure you have an excuse for him putting Iglesias out there when it's a blowout too.

Disgusting.

WVRedsFan
08-08-2016, 11:32 PM
Making decisions is part of what makes a good manager. That is all.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:33 PM
I wonder if...ehrm, a very reputable member of this forum... will keep arguing with people on Twitter about how Ohlendorf has been good this year.

He hasn't, either by the results or the fielding independent metrics.

Tony Cloninger
08-08-2016, 11:33 PM
Develop starters not relievers is Price mantra then? Lorenzen would have been better than Ohlendorf. I said he was Kevin Gregg II and Tom disagreed. He really ha snot been much better.

In fact Gregg has had better years than Ohlendorf has ever done. That's how bad this guy is. This is a tank job without admitting it.

NC Reds
08-08-2016, 11:34 PM
I'm ready for a change in leadership. Nothing that happens the rest of the year should sway a decision to retain Price. Keeping him sends an awful message.

Big Klu
08-08-2016, 11:34 PM
On pace for 66-96.

westofyou
08-08-2016, 11:35 PM
He'd have thrown 5 or so tonight, one way or another.

But yeah, keep defending Price by all means. I'm sure you have an excuse for him putting Iglesias out there when it's a blowout too.

Disgusting.

But he'd have to warm up and is an asset coming off a shoulder injury... even that plus your "Five" is stress

If those facts are "defending Price" in your book then beat that drum.

I'm defending the pitchers arm.

Not the manager, not that loss as pathetic as it was, but an asset's arm.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:35 PM
I lost faith in price a long time ago, maybe around his childish potty mouth episode. But this wasn't on him-- Cingrani just totally spit the bit. of course ohledorff should under no circumstances be let near a major league ball park. Damn!!!! As bad a loss as.....

Tom Servo
08-08-2016, 11:36 PM
Develop starters not relievers is Price mantra then? Lorenzen would have been better than Ohlendorf. I said he was Kevin Gregg II and Tom disagreed. He really ha snot been much better.

In fact Gregg has had better years than Ohlendorf has ever done. That's how bad this guy is. This is a tank job without admitting it.Well, I would stand by my position at the time, he was pretty decent in April/May, but he's only gotten worse. The HR/9 has gone to Hoover levels, and the BB/9 is up to. He doesn't belong on the team if they actually trying to win ballgames.

westofyou
08-08-2016, 11:36 PM
I mean, you have to admit it's pretty funny though.

Funny.. strange, peculiar, not har har funny but like seeing a cow fly funny

Kc61
08-08-2016, 11:36 PM
He'd have thrown 5 or so tonight, one way or another.

But yeah, keep defending Price by all means. I'm sure you have an excuse for him putting Iglesias out there when it's a blowout too.

Disgusting.

Iglesias has a shoulder problem. The Reds are pitching him at regular intervals with rest. They are not pitching him according to game situations. This is to avoid future injury to his shoulder, keeping it strong.

The goal is to have Iglesias available for a number of years, rather than in a hospital bed.

It's a rebuilding season so this is appropriate.

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:36 PM
Cingrani needs to be demoted to a 6th or 7th inning pitcher and Ohlendorf needs released ASAP. Do what you must with Iglesias so they can win it all in 2021...keep a close eye on Lorenzen if you must....but Ohlendorf has had his chances...the time has passed. Cingrani can't be a closer with his control. Anyone else, don't care who. They've had their chances. Move on.

Tony Cloninger
08-08-2016, 11:36 PM
Iglesias threw 32 pitches yesterday.

It did not matter if he had thrown less than 20 or even 15. If he cannot be out there for more than 2 days in a row.....what is the point of even having him be a reliever?

Or why use him in blowout games. Give me better answers than this and I am all in for a rebuild with this clown as a manager. Right now he is Don Heffner and Vern Rapp with what's his name
who PH Castro for Hamilton.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:37 PM
But he'd have to warm up and is an asset coming off a shoulder injury... even that plus your "Five" is stress

If those facts are "defending Price" in your book then beat that drum.

I'm defending the pitchers arm.

Not the manager, not that loss as pathetic as it was, but an asset's arm.

Yeah, I'm gonna go right ahead and say warming up and throwing 5 pitches after pitching once in the last 5 days wouldn't have blown up his arm. But what do I know, I'm just a fan.

Extend Price!

PutPeteIn
08-08-2016, 11:38 PM
On the anniversary eve of Helter Skelter thats exactly what that ninth inn was.

Roy Tucker
08-08-2016, 11:38 PM
I thought anyone can close.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-08-2016, 11:38 PM
13-9, with seven 1-run losses since the All Star break. Even when this team is playing decent, they still have a ridiculously high number of these.

Didn't they lead league last year or year before too? I think it's time for Price to go. I don't want him anywhere near the future of this team.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:38 PM
Iglesias has a shoulder problem. The Reds are pitching him at regular intervals with rest. They are not pitching him according to game situations. This is to avoid future injury to his shoulder, keeping it strong.

The goal is to have Iglesias available for a number of years, rather than in a hospital bed.

It's a rebuilding season so this is appropriate.

Available for years pitching in meaningless games while he gets passed by for 5 pitches in the 9th? Pass.

westofyou
08-08-2016, 11:38 PM
Yeah, I'm gonna go right ahead and say warming up and throwing 5 pitches after pitching once in the last 5 days wouldn't have blown up his arm. But what do I know, I'm just a fan.

Extend Price!

Did I say "extend Price" ?

Didn't think so

BluegrassRedleg
08-08-2016, 11:38 PM
ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo
Cardinals came back to beat Reds after trailing 4-0 into 9th

Into today, tms trailing by at least 4 into 9th were 3-636 (.005) this season.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:40 PM
I thought anyone can close.

The problem isn't that Cingrani doesn't have the mental aptitude to close, the problem is that he's terrible. Same with Dorf

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Did I say "extend Price" ?

Didn't think so

You're defending, arguably, the worst managerial decision I've seen this year pretty hard for someone who doesn't like price as a manager.

Tony Cloninger
08-08-2016, 11:40 PM
Well, I would stand by my position at the time, he was pretty decent in April/May, but he's only gotten worse. The HR/9 has gone to Hoover levels, and the BB/9 is up to. He doesn't belong on the team if they actually trying to win ballgames.

Well I was being hasty in calling him that after 5 games myself......and you are right that he looked at least workable for the rebuilding help. However he is close to Hoover like a lot lately.

Just not down with this type of handling of the bullpen even in a rebuild. Where was Lorenzen at least? He cannot pitch 2 games in a row either?

It's like the garbage from when Dusty was here and LeClure or whoever could not pitch. Just constant bizarro stuff and lack of communication from the KGB Reds makes this rebuilding
so much more fun.

marcshoe
08-08-2016, 11:41 PM
I lost faith in price a long time ago, maybe around his childish potty mouth episode. But this wasn't on him-- Cingrani just totally spit the bit. of course ohledorff should under no circumstances be let near a major league ball park. Damn!!!! As bad a loss as.....

And Cingrani used mind control to make Price leave him in the game, even when he had the look of a drunk kamikaze.

OhioRiverBarge
08-08-2016, 11:41 PM
Hey guys, switched over to the Olympics when we were up 4-0 with two outs in the bottom of the 9th and our closer on the mound. Did I miss anything?

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:41 PM
Cingrani and Ohlendork shoulda been dealt at the deadline (considering what relievers were fetching). If no one wanted the O then he shoulda been DFA'd.

dealt for who? You're missing the point- Cingrani has talent. Hes shown it. hes just a loser.

Kc61
08-08-2016, 11:41 PM
It did not matter if he had thrown less than 20 or even 15. If he cannot be out there for more than 2 days in a row.....what is the point of even having him be a reliever?

Or why use him in blowout games. Give me better answers than this and I am all in for a rebuild with this clown as a manager. Right now he is Don Heffner and Vern Rapp with what's his name
who PH Castro for Hamilton.

Iglesias has missed time the last two seasons. The point of doing this is to get him work while not jeopardizing the future.

Because the future is what matters here. Not a meaningless August game against the Cards when the Reds are already out of it.

The Reds have very few options in the bullpen. They can't cut corners on Iggy's usage pattern. It's just the situation they are in.

I agree that Cingrani isn't a closer. And Ohlendorf keeps giving away the game. But these situations will change.

Just need to be patient, the team will get better.

westofyou
08-08-2016, 11:42 PM
The problem isn't that Cingrani doesn't have the mental aptitude to close, the problem is that he's terrible. Same with Dorf

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You're defending, arguably, the worst managerial decision I've seen this year pretty hard for someone who doesn't like price as a manager.
Yeah... I'm the ******* in this conversation

Tony Cloninger
08-08-2016, 11:43 PM
Hey guys, switched over to the Olympics when we were up 4-0 with two outs in the bottom of the 9th and our closer on the mound. Did I miss anything?


Melissa McCarthy is still dead.

PutPeteIn
08-08-2016, 11:43 PM
The problem isn't that Cingrani doesn't have the mental aptitude to close, the problem is that he's terrible. Same with Dorf

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False. Cingrani pushed his era under 3 with 2 outs in the 9th before Helter Skelter insued.
Thanks for being born in Cincy...
Manson.
Cincy has arguably the two most famous Charlie's..
Charlie Hustle
Charlie Manson



You're defending, arguably, the worst managerial decision I've seen this year pretty hard for someone who doesn't like price as a manager.

marcshoe
08-08-2016, 11:43 PM
Funny.. strange, peculiar, not har har funny but like seeing a cow fly funny

If the cow had one wing and kept strafing the ground with machine gun fire.

Wheelhouse
08-08-2016, 11:44 PM
The structure is wrong. Lorenzen should close. Ohlendorf should be gone. But beyond that, the Reds need to start beating the Cardinals, period. This was an important game, rebuilding year or not, and it should have been salvaged.

chuck6660
08-08-2016, 11:45 PM
QUOTE=Kc61;3526087]Iglesias has a shoulder problem. The Reds are pitching him at regular intervals with rest. They are not pitching him according to game situations. This is to avoid future injury to his shoulder, keeping it strong.

The goal is to have Iglesias available for a number of years, rather than in a hospital bed.

It's a rebuilding season so this is appropriate.[/QUOTE]

NO, I will never accept losing as appropriate, Ohlendorf should be DFA'd, he has been hooveresqe the last two months. Even knowing the Reds are out of it..a lost such as this is unacceptable and I'm not taking it anymore! :thumbdown:

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:46 PM
Posted this back in the Tony Cingrani thread, and it holds true as ever.

http://i.imgur.com/bi9m852.png?1

Cingrani is garbage, and if the Reds were offered more than a bag of baseballs for him at the deadline, they should have taken it.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:47 PM
cingrani had a 4-0 lead with two out and one man on. olendorff faced two batters- he walked one and hit the other. Don't get too up when you win or too down when you lose--but these guys are losers.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:47 PM
ERA

As we know, ERA is simply the best stat to judge pitchers by. Especially relievers!

Kc61
08-08-2016, 11:47 PM
QUOTE=Kc61;3526087]Iglesias has a shoulder problem. The Reds are pitching him at regular intervals with rest. They are not pitching him according to game situations. This is to avoid future injury to his shoulder, keeping it strong.

The goal is to have Iglesias available for a number of years, rather than in a hospital bed.

It's a rebuilding season so this is appropriate.

NO, I will never accept losing as appropriate, Ohlendorf should be DFA'd, he has been hooveresqe the last two months. Even knowing the Reds are out of it..a lost such as this is unacceptable and I'm not taking it anymore! :thumbdown:[/QUOTE]

The pitching usage was appropriate. The loss was unfortunate.

But it was actually quite a good night in the sense that Cody Reed started to come around. That's more important than anything else that took place on the field.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:49 PM
QUOTE=Kc61;3526087]

NO, I will never accept losing as appropriate, Ohlendorf should be DFA'd, he has been hooveresqe the last two months. Even knowing the Reds are out of it..a lost such as this is unacceptable and I'm not taking it anymore! :thumbdown:

it was unacceptable. At least price should go in and throw around the post game spread or something a la gene mauch.

PutPeteIn
08-08-2016, 11:50 PM
Price should have let Cingrani pitch to the lefty Moss.
Price is a clown beyond measure.
Unless he has another lefty to bring in or a descent righty...
You have to live or die with Tony.
Price should just resign now.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:50 PM
I'm sure the Price defenders will be extolling what a great decision this was when Raisel Iglesias throws 40 pitches tomorrow in a game where the Reds are down 7-0.

Wheelhouse
08-08-2016, 11:51 PM
NO, I will never accept losing as appropriate, Ohlendorf should be DFA'd, he has been hooveresqe the last two months. Even knowing the Reds are out of it..a lost such as this is unacceptable and I'm not taking it anymore! :thumbdown:

The pitching usage was appropriate. The loss was unfortunate.

But it was actually quite a good night in the sense that Cody Reed started to come around. That's more important than anything else that took place on the field.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of which, all that beautiful work by Reed blown by Cingrani and Ohlendorf. A shame in a rebuilding year not to get the young kid a win there...

PutPeteIn
08-08-2016, 11:52 PM
I knew the fix was in when Cingranny hit the lefty Wong with the 1st pitch with 2 outs.

BluegrassRedleg
08-08-2016, 11:53 PM
The problem was he should have lifted Cingrani a batter or two earlier. But to wait and wait and wait and THEN let Olendorff face a lefty was just preposterous.

Price needs to go. Now. Olendorff needs DFA'd. Cingrani needs moved to his old middle relief role.

If this organization has any pride about itself, nights like this can't happen anymore.

westofyou
08-08-2016, 11:53 PM
I'm sure the Price defenders will be extolling what a great decision this was when Raisel Iglesias throws 40 pitches tomorrow in a game where the Reds are down 7-0.

http://67.media.tumblr.com/ee9cac8667299ba52ac5931b43670791/tumblr_nv9i0nJRiR1sqf5tdo1_400.gif

HokieRed
08-08-2016, 11:54 PM
Feel bad for Reed primarily. If I were a starter on this team, I think I'd know exactly how many days I had to wait till I could get out of town. Pen's been a disgrace for some time.

Cooper
08-08-2016, 11:54 PM
at leas price pulled reed out of the game while reed still felt good about himself --earlier in the year he would have never done that --there was always a lesson to be learned by making the starter stay in till he gave up runs. wish Deshields could learn the same lesson but the organization doesn't really have a philosophy about what pitchers should have to handle. and let[s admit it- price has always been ovr hs head --he inspires no confidence -the guys are still hustling-that's about the best you could say for him.

westofyou
08-08-2016, 11:55 PM
Feel bad for Reed primarily. If I were a starter on this team, I think I'd know exactly how many days I had to wait till I could get out of town. Pen's been a disgrace for some time.

19 Blown Saves IIRC, epic in their inability

PutPeteIn
08-08-2016, 11:55 PM
I remember when Graves pull this same ish v the Cards in the 9th in Cincy but I think we led 9-3 and screwed the pooch.

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:56 PM
What is Cingrani doing?

The question of the night.

Ironman92
08-08-2016, 11:57 PM
I guess the problem with me is this....it was 7-3 to start the 8th yesterday, why waste Lorenzen then?

Cingrani had 2 outs and then inexplicable walked a guy on 4 pitches??? Worst case scenario bring in Lorenzen in instead of Ross Failendorf.

Bringing in Ross is giving up....never give up unless it's position player pitching situation

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:57 PM
Feel bad for Reed primarily. .

i feel bad for me primarily.

TheRedScare
08-08-2016, 11:57 PM
August:

* Price pitches Iglesias with a 5 run deficit for 32 pitches
* Price pitches Iglesias with a 7 run deficit 25 pitches
* Because of this, Iglesias is "unavailable" to pitch ~5 pitches in to finish off a 1 run game

This is good pitcher usage.

Funny stuff from the Bryan Price defenders tonight

Mutaman
08-08-2016, 11:59 PM
Olendorff makes $800,000. a year. $800,000!!! And if i performed like that in my job,i would not only not get paid-- i'd probably go to jail.

PutPeteIn
08-09-2016, 12:09 AM
Its the curse of Pete Rose.
1989 Rose banned.
1989 Giamantti dies delaying curse.
1990 Reds win WS.
2016 Reds havent been back to a WS.

westofyou
08-09-2016, 12:10 AM
Its the curse of Pete Rose.
1989 Rose banned.
1989 Giamantti dies delaying curse.
1990 Reds win WS.
2016 Reds havent been back to a WS.

Got to love a curse that gives you a WC

Mutaman
08-09-2016, 12:13 AM
I hate over reaction. But we cannot abide a loss like this without retribution. Mgt has to show it will not allow incompetence, rebuilding or not. we need a sacrificial lamb. I nominate Ohlendorff. Show him the door. i don't want to hear his name again. This aggression will not stand.

PutPeteIn
08-09-2016, 12:16 AM
We need more than one lefty in the pen for starters(no pun intended).
I bet the Reds are the only team in mlb with only 1 lefty in the pen.

Tom Servo
08-09-2016, 12:17 AM
I hate over reaction. But we cannot abide a loss like this without retribution. Mgt has to show it will not allow incompetence, rebuilding or not. we need a sacrificial lamb. I nominate Ohlendorff. Show him the door. i don't want to hear his name again. This aggression will not stand.
I wasn't sure about this post but then I saw the bookended Lebowski lines.

BluegrassRedleg
08-09-2016, 12:18 AM
Prepare to puke (again)...

ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo
Tonight was 1st time Cardinals won after trailing by 4 or more with 2 outs in 9th or later since May 2, 2005 ... also vs Reds
@EliasSports

WVRedsFan
08-09-2016, 12:21 AM
Prepare to puke (again)...

ESPN Stats & Info @ESPNStatsInfo
Tonight was 1st time Cardinals won after trailing by 4 or more with 2 outs in 9th or later since May 2, 2005 ... also vs Reds
@EliasSportsYour manager was Dave Miley, another cheap manager with little or no MLB experience as a manager. This bunch never learns.

Tom Servo
08-09-2016, 12:22 AM
Your manager was Dave Miley, another cheap manager with little or no MLB experience as a manager. This bunch never learns.
Lack of MLB experience doesn't seem to have done too much damage for Matheny and the Cardinals.

chuck6660
08-09-2016, 12:24 AM
I wonder what Bryan Price has to say about tonight's disaster. The 9th inning was like a kick in the gut, and most of us knew it was going to happen as soon as Ohlendorf came in. I am tired of hearing that we are rebuilding...that doesn't mean you have to play pathetic baseball.

Mutaman
08-09-2016, 12:39 AM
I wasn't sure about this post but then I saw the bookended Lebowski lines.

Seriously i hate it when the boys have a bad loss and somebody comes on here and starts yelling "DFA". But this is just inexcusable. Somebody should pay the price. (Oh, a pun.) Maybe I'll feel differently tomorrow, but I don't think so. Three years of this stuff is enough. If you're going to rebuild, start getting serious about it and show some of these losers the door.

WVRedsFan
08-09-2016, 12:39 AM
Lack of MLB experience doesn't seem to have done too much damage for Matheny and the Cardinals.Luck. They don't have the trak record we have. BB, Miley, Narron, the list goes on.

BluegrassRedleg
08-09-2016, 12:41 AM
Seriously i hate it when the boys have a bad loss and somebody comes on here and starts yelling "DFA". But this is just inexcusable. Somebody should pay the price. Maybe I'll feel differently tomorrow, but I don't think so. Three years of this stuff is enough. If you're going to rebuild, start getting serious about it and show some of these losers the door.

If you don't do anything, you let the culture get worse.

Mutaman
08-09-2016, 12:47 AM
If you don't do anything, you let the culture get worse.

If you're willing to trade good guys like Bruce then cull out the losers. I cannot believe he walks in the tying run and hits a guy to force in the winning run.

WVRedsFan
08-09-2016, 12:53 AM
I just hate it when I post anti-Price stuff because I look at some of the others who tend to be new to the board. Then I see Kc61 and westofyou posting reasonable arguments about the situations that I look silly, but Price's moves and his decisions remind me of the BB, Miley, and Narron years. None of them had a clue and neither does Price. Yes, this team was built to lose, but we saw what was possible after the AS break. I read somewhere that the bullpen had blown 16 saves this year. Add (and let's be conservative here) 10 wins here (by placing the right reliever at the right time) and the Reds would be 55-56. Close. I still do not want Bryan Price near this team as we go forward. The look on Phillps, Hamilton, and Dejesus's faces in the dugout told me more than anything anyone could say. Defeated. Defeat snatched from winning. All that. That said, I expect the Reds to extend Price. Why? Because they don't have a clue.

Mutaman
08-09-2016, 01:08 AM
I just hate it when I post anti-Price stuff because I look at some of the others who tend to be new to the board. Then I see Kc61 and westofyou posting reasonable arguments about the situations that I look silly, but Price's moves and his decisions remind me of the BB, Miley, and Narron years. None of them had a clue and neither does Price. Yes, this team was built to lose, but we saw what was possible after the AS break. I read somewhere that the bullpen had blown 16 saves this year. Add (and let's be conservative here) 10 wins here (by placing the right reliever at the right time) and the Reds would be 55-56. Close. I still do not want Bryan Price near this team as we go forward. The look on Phillps, Hamilton, and Dejesus's faces in the dugout told me more than anything anyone could say. Defeated. Defeat snatched from winning. All that. That said, I expect the Reds to extend Price. Why? Because they don't have a clue.
You should have seen the look on my face.

Big Klu
08-09-2016, 01:13 AM
Great point about the look on Phillips, DeJesus, and Hamilton's faces after the game. When I saw that I thought, "This club is in danger of flying apart right now."

WVRedsFan
08-09-2016, 01:33 AM
That look is what I saw during the BB, Narron, and Miley years which was so horrible. There is no excuse for this to happen. With Votto, Phillips (as much as this board hates him and wants Peraza to replace him. Hello Schebler fans) Cozart and Hamilton, this team should be win if we have the pitching. Finnegan is improving, Reed looked good. Straly is solid, and Disco is money. We know Baily will be OK. Sooner than later. The bullpen has solid arms in Wood, Smith, Iggy, and others. This team should be around .500. Why not? Lots of bad decisions. The players know it. The fans know it. And the FO fails to see it. I can't figure out why their is no action from the front office. They apparently want to lose. Their actions may prove this. Nice,

ScotlandRed
08-09-2016, 02:19 AM
Two blowouts in a row where Iglesias has been used when we could have done with him the very next day. Price is an idiot. Period.

cumberlandreds
08-09-2016, 07:22 AM
I woke up to see the disaster that was last night. Make no mistake the Reds are still a very bad team no matter the recent uptick they had. We have known all year the bullpen is beyond horrendous. It did get a small shot when Iglesias and Lorenzen came off the DL. But you can't pitch two relievers multiple innings every night. The rest of the pen is beyond shameful. Management and ownership should be roasted by all for not making any improvements in this. Having a bullpen as epically bad as this one has been just kills a teams moral. They know no matter what they do for 7 or 8 innings that in end it isn't going to matter because the bullpen will blow it all. Good chance this team just folds it tent after last night and the wins will be very few and far between the rest of the season. I hope not but likely that will happen now. But for the ones that still had hope in that number one pick in 2017 its still not out the realm to get that. So have some fun with that.

Raisor
08-09-2016, 07:42 AM
Wow full game thread meltdown.

Question: should Iglesias pitch in every game?

cumberlandreds
08-09-2016, 07:47 AM
I think we saw last night why Price thinks he has to use Iglesias in a 7 run game. Put anyone else in, not named Lorenzen, and the game becomes very iffy.

Raisor
08-09-2016, 07:58 AM
I think we saw last night why Price thinks he has to use Iglesias in a 7 run game. Put anyone else in, not named Lorenzen, and the game becomes very iffy.

I think he used Iglesias in the 7 run games because they are keeping him on a regular schedule in hopes of keeping him healthy with the goal of him being back in the rotation next season.

Sea Ray
08-09-2016, 09:04 AM
I just hate it when I post anti-Price stuff because I look at some of the others who tend to be new to the board. Then I see Kc61 and westofyou posting reasonable arguments about the situations that I look silly, but Price's moves and his decisions remind me of the BB, Miley, and Narron years. None of them had a clue and neither does Price. Yes, this team was built to lose, but we saw what was possible after the AS break. I read somewhere that the bullpen had blown 16 saves this year. Add (and let's be conservative here) 10 wins here (by placing the right reliever at the right time) and the Reds would be 55-56. Close. I still do not want Bryan Price near this team as we go forward. The look on Phillps, Hamilton, and Dejesus's faces in the dugout told me more than anything anyone could say. Defeated. Defeat snatched from winning. All that. That said, I expect the Reds to extend Price. Why? Because they don't have a clue.

But is it Price's fault or does he not have options to go to? If Iggy, Lorenzen and Josh Smith were not available and three of the relievers he used yesterday sucked, what options did he have?

TheRedScare
08-09-2016, 09:48 AM
But is it Price's fault or does he not have options to go to? If Iggy, Lorenzen and Josh Smith were not available and three of the relievers he used yesterday sucked, what options did he have?

Not using his, far and away, best reliever in blowout games seems to be a pretty solid option.

traderumor
08-09-2016, 09:54 AM
I'm most angry that with two outs and a four run lead, the outfielder that was out of position in RF was playing "no doubles defense," the stupidest strategy to employ ever btw, and would have caught Carpenter's line drive to right. It was hit right where he was supposed to be. Make it stop.

Tony Cloninger
08-09-2016, 10:02 AM
I'm most angry that with two outs and a four run lead, the outfielder that was out of position in RF was playing "no doubles defense," the stupidest strategy to employ ever btw, and would have caught Carpenter's line drive to right. It was hit right where he was supposed to be. Make it stop.

Great point here. I just finally saw the highlights in full. In RF and LF these guys are playing NDD with 2 outs. Both balls hit out there with 2 outs could have been caught if these guys are not playing this defense.
Injuries have not helped Price during his tenure but he makes weird or bad or incomprehensible decisions since he became manager which do not help the situation.

Sea Ray
08-09-2016, 10:07 AM
Not using his, far and away, best reliever in blowout games seems to be a pretty solid option.

Good point. Just understand that last night wasn't a close game either until Cingrani and Co got ahold of it. On Sunday Iggy came in when the Reds were ahead by 5. Last night they were ahead by 4.

TheRedScare
08-09-2016, 10:37 AM
Good point. Just understand that last night wasn't a close game either until Cingrani and Co got ahold of it. On Sunday Iggy came in when the Reds were ahead by 5. Last night they were ahead by 4.

Yeah, I wasn't saying he should have started him in the 9th, just should have put him in to close it out instead of Dorf

Raisor
08-09-2016, 11:08 AM
Yeah, I wasn't saying he should have started him in the 9th, just should have put him in to close it out instead of Dorf

And if the Reds play in 6-7 blowouts in a row do you not want him to pitch for a week?

They seem to be giving him regular work as they build the strength in his shoulder.

traderumor
08-09-2016, 11:40 AM
Great point here. I just finally saw the highlights in full. In RF and LF these guys are playing NDD with 2 outs. Both balls hit out there with 2 outs could have been caught if these guys are not playing this defense.
Injuries have not helped Price during his tenure but he makes weird or bad or incomprehensible decisions since he became manager which do not help the situation.The most ignorant thing about it is even if Carpenter hits a double, its only 4-3 if it clears the bases. Maybe he was playing them deep for a better chance to rob a game tieing grand slam. I hate that defense anyhow, its just ignorant. Its the equivalent of a prevent defense in football, which is equally ignorant to me, but at least they can justify it with a clock in their game.

traderumor
08-09-2016, 11:43 AM
That loss may have been one of the most humiliating in recent memories, just such a display of stupidity and bad players doing bad things.

cobike
08-09-2016, 01:04 PM
Yeah, I wasn't saying he should have started him in the 9th, just should have put him in to close it out instead of Dorf

Anyone would have been better to bring in than Ohlenbarf. Why not Josh Smith? He hasn't pitched since Saturday. Likewise Sampson. That is assuming neither Iggy or Lorenzen could go after pitching one inning each on Sunday. It goes to the point I made in the Old Red Guard, Price often appears to be managing to lose. Or, he is just that bad.

The strategy to use Iggy and Lorenzen only every other day, at most, is not a winning strategy. As far as developing their arms, I can see it, but there is no reason whatsoever there to bring in Ohlenbarf instead of Smith or Sampson.