8.15.16 Marlins @ Reds- WC battle

[klw]

The battle for the Wild Card heats up as the Marlins come to Cincinnati having lost Stanton for the season and ARod saying he is taking the rest of the year off.

A win will pull the Reds to within 11.5 games of the Marlins (though St. Louis and LA are ahead of the Floridians)

#reds lineup - no Cozart

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Marlins lineup:

Gordon 2B
Prado 3B
Yelich LF
Ozuna CF
Realmuto C
Ichiro RF
Johnson 1B
Hechavarria SS
Phelps P

this is Phelps:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/phelpda01.shtml

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Per #Reds game notes:
GABP is the only existing park in which Ichiro Suzuki hasn’t recorded a hit.



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[Tom Servo]

Batting Barnhart behind Renda is weird.

[WrongVerb]

Regular lineup at this point should be:

BHam
BP
#notelite
DuvAll-Star(RF)
Geno
The Car
Cozy
Schebler(LF)

With that group I'd have:
BHam
Geno
#notelite
Duvy
The Car
The Jesus
Little T
Schebler

[klw]

Mark Sheldon ‏@m_sheldon 54s54 seconds ago

#reds BP cut short as thunderstorm moves in. Tarp going on the field now.

[ScotlandRed]

Batting Barnhart behind Renda is weird.

We're used to weird by now

[Red Raindog]

We're used to weird by now

I resemble that remark

[Strikes Out Looking]

Have Cozart and BP cleared waivers and been traded?

[Kc61]

One could argue that Bryan Price has finally become Dusty Baker in full. CF hits first, SS second, C eight, dude.

Really miss Dusty, he was a great personality.

[Rantly]

Batting Barnhart behind Renda is weird.

Catcher bats eigh...nm, KC beat me to it

[Big Klu]

Jim Day and Chris Welsh in the TV booth tonight.

Was THom claimed off waivers? :pray:

[Tom Servo]

Wow, what a catch by Billy.

[Kc61]

Another great Hamilton catch. Just superb.

[Chuckie]

That's a crazy good catch by Billy. A prime example of his toughness and why that's a big part of why he's an elite CF. He has no fear of the wall/fence.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Is Pete in the house? Wondering if they had any Rose/Ichiro photo ops?

[Tom Servo]

How on earth do you walk Hechaverria on 4 pitches. C'mon Brandon.

[Banshee]

Schebler off the schneid!

[Tom Servo]

Schebler! :jump:

Way to break a slump!

[Big Klu]

I think Schebler likes hitting at home.

[Raisor]

Schebler off the schneid!

One Day at a Time

[Kc61]

Finnegan seems to have given up trying to throw the ball through a brick wall.

He seems to be mixing his pitches, and is acting more like a pitcher, less like a thrower.

Let's hope it works for him.

Not that time, a triple.

[Tom Servo]

Finnegan seems to have given up trying to throw the ball through a brick wall.

He seems to be mixing his pitches, and is acting more like a pitcher, less like a thrower.

Let's hope it works for him.

Not that time, a triple.
You (sorry about that word again) may end up being the last man standing on the Finnegan as a starter wagon, I've got one foot off and contemplating how to tuck and roll. Barring a huge offseason turnaround, which isn't impossible, I just don't see it with him. A Finnegan who sits 90-92 with very spotty command isn't much more than John Lamb type. I do see a possible Zach Britton though out of the bullpen.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/brittza01.shtml

[WrongVerb]

You (sorry about that word again) may end up being the last man standing on the Finnegan as a starter wagon, I've got one foot off and contemplating how to tuck and roll. Barring a huge offseason turnaround, which isn't impossible, I just don't see it with him. A Finnegan who sits 90-92 with very spotty command isn't much more than John Lamb type. I do see a possible Zach Britton though out of the bullpen.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/brittza01.shtml

I'm on the Finnegan as starter band wagon, at least until someone pushes him out of the rotation.

[WrongVerb]

Is it me or does BHam look to be in some mild discomfort?

[Tom Servo]

Is it me or does BHam look to be in some mild discomfort?
Yes, he hurt his shoulder on that wall crash.

[Tom Servo]

I'm on the Finnegan as starter band wagon, at least until someone pushes him out of the rotation.
There's no reason to take him out right now except for innings limit, but he has a lot of work to do. Right now DeSclafani, Bailey and Straily would be pencilled into my 2017 rotation with the other two spots TBD.

[Tom Servo]

Corpse of Chris Johnson with a GABP special HR. 2-1 Fish.

[Tom Servo]

Votto leads off the 4th with a single

[Tom Servo]

Duvall Ks and Suarez GIDP to end the 4th.

[Tom Servo]

And now Billy has left the game and Tyler Holt is playing CF :(

[Raisor]

Being I afraid to get hurt isn't a plus when you get hurt as much as BHam gets hurt. I'd be ok if he gave 95% effort instead of 110%

[WrongVerb]

Being I afraid to get hurt isn't a plus when you get hurt as much as BHam gets hurt. I'd be ok if he gave 95% effort instead of 110%

Eric Davis got vilified for giving up his body like that.

[Tom Servo]

Eric Davis got vilified for giving up his body like that.
And Junior got vilified for, occasionally, trying to avoid giving up his body like that.

You can't win.

[Tom Servo]

Finnegan gave up another solo HR and another walk, it's 3-1 Marlins with one out in the 6th.

[Banshee]

Holt is CF is not a good thing.

[Tom Servo]

Another ball hammered off Finnegan (right down the middle), poorly played by Holt.

4-1 Marlins

That's it for Finnegan, YUMBO entering. I want to see him finish the year strong, but this isn't doing that.

[Big Klu]

Another ball hammered off Finnegan (right down the middle), poorly played by Holt.

4-1 Marlins

That's it for Finnegan, YUMBO entering. I want to see him finish the year strong, but this isn't doing that.

All three of the KC Lefties are stumbling this season.

[Big Klu]

Wow! I thought Hechavarria was safe.

[RiverRat13]

LOL. Just noticed the thread title. Well done.

I'm very happy they tried Finnegan in the rotation this year. Like Tom appears to be, I'm very close to throwing in the towel on him as a starter and ready for him to begin next year in the pen. But glad they gave him the shot at starting.

I think next year they have to go Disco, Homer, Strailey, Reed and Stephenson as the rotation next year with Garrett ready to be the next man up. I suspect Reed will show improvement while Stephenson will really struggle, but I think you gotta go with that five and see what we got in '17.

[WVRedsFan]

Wow! I thought Hechavarria was safe.Me, too. Funny we didn't see any replays or if they did, I dozed off.

[Tom Servo]

Good eye Scheb! Bases loaded walk against the lefty!

4-2 game.

[Big Klu]

I'm really growing tired of these Honda commercials with the a capella choirs.

[Tom Servo]

I'm really growing tired of these Honda commercials with the a capella choirs.
But is Panera food clean?

[WVRedsFan]

Here's where you miss BP <sigh>

[Tom Servo]

Renda leaves them loaded with a strikeout to keep it 4-2.

[Big Klu]

But is Panera food clean?

By the end of the year! :thumbup:

[WVRedsFan]

My wife loves Panera, and I have to hope there's a 5 guys next door (or a Cook Out).

[WrongVerb]

Four chances in an inning for Renda. Ties a record?

[Tom Servo]

Tucker with a leadoff double in the bottom of the 7th

[WVRedsFan]

The more I see Kyle, the less I want to see him

[Tony Cloninger]

I'm really growing tired of these Honda commercials with the a capella choirs.

And commercials with hipsters singing "Time after Time" in the most painstaking voices possible....like someone is clubbing a seal in front of them. Just sing the damn song!

And helpful Honda salesrep commercials........ Just sell the damn car!

[fondfoat]

Good job Tyler.

[Tom Servo]

4-3 game on an infield hit thrown away by the Marlins

[fondfoat]

Votto time!

EDIT: I missed seeing Finnegan. How was he overall?

[WVRedsFan]

Votto time!

EDIT: I missed seeing Finnegan. How was he overall?Pitched 5.1 innings giving up 7 hits and walking 3. I'd say he wasn't feeling it tonight

[Big Klu]

Votto time!

EDIT: I missed seeing Finnegan. How was he overall?

A little shaky tonight. Gave up two HR's and was not very pitch efficient.

[fondfoat]

That should be enough for Wood!

[Tom Servo]

Blake Wood gets himself into a jam, gets two out and then walk, single, walk.

[fondfoat]

My, my, my....... What do you say about that? Horrible flip by Votto.

[Tom Servo]

My, my, my....... What do you say about that? Horrible flip by Votto.
Yup, bad play.

[WVRedsFan]

Walks will haunt

[Red Raindog]

My, my, my....... What do you say about that? Horrible flip by Votto.

:thumbdown:

[TheRedScare]

So yeah, hopefully the NL implements the DH before 2020 or so

[WVRedsFan]

In my opinion, we wouldn't have been in that situation if Wood would have thrown strikes. Yes the throw was high, but he also broke late for first and it was a bad play all around, not apologizing for Votto in any way.

[Tom Servo]

Great catch by Schebler to prevent it from getting even uglier.

[Tom Servo]

In my opinion, we wouldn't have been in that situation if Wood would have thrown strikes. Yes the throw was high, but he also broke late for first and it was a bad play all around, not apologizing for Votto in any way.
It was definitely the bigger issue despite Votto's botch, and it's why strikeouts are so important. Don't leave anything up to chance like an elevated toss.

[fondfoat]

In my opinion, we wouldn't have been in that situation if Wood would have thrown strikes. Yes the throw was high, but he also broke late for first and it was a bad play all around, not apologizing for Votto in any way.

Agree. Wood got himself into a jam. Wood was slow to head for first. But, Votto needed to make that throw. It was a big play for the Reds.

[Big Klu]

Reds getting some action going against Bearclaw.

[fondfoat]

Another Scheb moment?

[Big Klu]

Another Scheb moment?

He's the Nexus of the Universe.

[TheRedScare]

I'm sure Marty put that play 100% on votto, even though wood broke late and a perfect throw was no sure bet at an out anyway

[Tom Servo]

I want to see Tony Renda and Jumbo side-by-side.

[Big Klu]

I'm sure Marty put that play 100% on votto, even though wood broke late and a perfect throw was no sure bet at an out anyway

Plenty of blame to go around. Wood was slow to cover, and had dug himself into that hole with walks. Votto needed to put some more zip on the throw.

[Tom Servo]

Damn, Renda got robbed.

[Tom Servo]

Glad we have one of our best hitters up here at the top of the lineup in Ivan De Jesus Jr

[fondfoat]

Tough call on De Jesus.

[Tom Servo]

We're bad again

[Tony Cloninger]

How are the Yankees winning with that pitching staff?

I have to ask because the progress of the 3 pitchers that came over from KC is starting to depress me.

[Big Klu]

On pace for 66-96.

[Tom Servo]

How are the Yankees winning with that pitching staff?

I have to ask because the progress of the 3 pitchers that came over from KC is starting to depress me.
I think some people overestimated how close our three were. Lamb was the only one genuinely close to the big leagues as a starter. Reed had just recently graduated from A+ when he got him and Finnegan had barely started in the minors. Lamb, consequently, is the only one I feel particularly let down by as the other two are work-in-progress 23 year olds.

[Sea Ray]

What depressed me with this game was the offense. Very few major league starters in that lineup. Holt, Renda, DeJesus for sure. Schebler is getting his opportunity and he's blowing it. Time after time I saw Reds hitters swinging at pitches way out of the strike zone. It's obvious the Marlins were working from a scouting report that said the way to get Reds' hitters out was to not throw them strikes. Granted the home plate umpire was terrible but typically our hitters saw one pitch in the strike zone per AB late in this game.

We're seeing the extreme lack of talent on this team. It shows itself in many ways. Duvall's bat is looking slow. This is because he's wearing down due to lack of OF options. He needs some days off. Ditto for Cozart. How can we expect to win games with lineups like that? I won't even get into the defense played by those 8.

[Ironman92]

Listening on the way home and in the 4th Brantley said Votto with the base hit, but ball got away for outfielder and Brantley said Votto was jogging to first, said maybe he doesn't see it but then said every other Reds position play would've been standing on 2nd. I didn't see the play obviously but a definite jab at Votto.

He is an odd player. Right now he's damn near David Ortiz but I think Ortiz is smarter on the bases.

The toss was bad and he was off guard and should've made play on Renda throw.

He's like Peyton Manning if Peyton couldn't hand off.

[Tom Servo]

Listening on the way home and in the 4th Brantley said Votto with the base hit, but ball got away for outfielder and Brantley said Votto was jogging to first, said maybe he doesn't see it but then said every other Reds position play would've been standing on 2nd. I didn't see the play obviously but a definite jab at Votto.
There was no chance, it was one of those where you go "Oh, it's past hi- oh, never mind" because he immediately recovers. Billy goes to 2nd on it, obviously, but a Votto/Duvall/Schebler would be stupid to even try.

[Ironman92]

There was no chance, it was one of those where you go "Oh, it's past hi- oh, never mind" because he immediately recovers. Billy goes to 2nd on it, obviously, but a Votto/Duvall/Schebler would be stupid to even try.

Once the bobble happened yes, but had he been running out of the box? If so Phillips does that every time but he'd try and get thrown out.