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WrongVerb
09-23-2016, 08:18 PM
Lineup:

Peraza SS
Schebler CF
Votto 1B
Duvall LF
Phillips 2B
Suarez 3B
Selsky RF
Barnhart C
DeSclafani P

First inning:

Peraza - hit
Schebler - on via error
Joey - line out into triple play

marcshoe
09-23-2016, 08:19 PM
That's what it takes to get a game thread started these days, huh?

WrongVerb
09-23-2016, 08:20 PM
That's what it takes to get a game thread started these days, huh?

I guess. Broke my cherry. Never started one until tonight.

Tom Servo
09-23-2016, 08:21 PM
I saw on my phone it was two on and no out with Votton up so I turned on MLB TV and it said commercial. My phone still said Votto was up, and thought "Don't tell me it was a triple play".

WrongVerb
09-23-2016, 08:23 PM
I saw on my phone it was two on and no out with Votton up so I turned on MLB TV and it said commercial. My phone still said Votto was up, and thought "Don't tell me it was a triple play".

It was an honest one, if there can be such a thing. Price had the runners start on the 3-2 pitch. Joey lined it hard to the first baseman. Two feet either way and the Reds are leading 2-0.

RedsBaron
09-23-2016, 08:28 PM
Joey crushed it. :cry:

WVRedsFan
09-23-2016, 08:31 PM
Joey should have bunted:evil::evil::evil::evil:

marcshoe
09-23-2016, 08:39 PM
Tell George Grande that it's illegal for a player to run electricity through his bat. It also hurts.

Tom Servo
09-23-2016, 08:40 PM
Geno started September hot but has gone into the tank the last 2 weeks.

marcshoe
09-23-2016, 08:42 PM
What's the knock on Peraza's defense? As I'm typing, Chris answers the question.

marcshoe
09-23-2016, 08:50 PM
I'm going to have to mute the TV so I can study; I have class tomorrow. Nothing personal Chris, George.

WrongVerb
09-23-2016, 09:14 PM
So George only knows Lew Burdette, Warren Spahn, and Johnny Logan from the Milwaukee Braves? Oh, and people like Hank Aaron.

Tom Servo
09-23-2016, 09:28 PM
The Flea! :jump:

Tom Servo
09-23-2016, 09:32 PM
5 HRs on the year, 3 in the big leagues, for Peraza. That number was 4 in 2015, 2 in 2014, and 1 in 2013.

Almost like a young hitter can improve power output with age. :dunno:

WrongVerb
09-23-2016, 09:41 PM
5 HRs on the year, 3 in the big leagues, for Peraza. That number was 4 in 2015, 2 in 2014, and 1 in 2013.

Almost like a young hitter can improve power output with age. :dunno:

He's not slightly built like BHam. I really think he'll put up numbers like Martin Prado (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pradoma01.shtml) has had through his career.

The Operator
09-23-2016, 09:54 PM
Nice acting job trying to get an obstruction call, Braun.

What a tool.

WrongVerb
09-23-2016, 09:55 PM
Someone ask George what a Cicahhda is.

The Operator
09-23-2016, 10:22 PM
Bases loaded, nobody out. Cingrani coming in.


What could go wrong?

WrongVerb
09-23-2016, 10:24 PM
Bases loaded, nobody out. Cingrani coming in.


What could go wrong?

Depends on what your goal is. If it's to get as high a draft pick as possible, nothing.

The Operator
09-23-2016, 10:24 PM
LOL

Four pitches nowhere even close to the zone. Tony is terrible.

DocRed
09-23-2016, 10:25 PM
Feel bad for Cingrani...but man it's the same thing every time. Think he would benefit from a change of scenery.

Tom Servo
09-23-2016, 10:29 PM
Boy, some solid managing by Price here.

Yes I know the options suck, but Disco clearly was done and Price let him walk another batter and then brought in probably the WORST guy to use in a bases loaded situation.

WVRedsFan
09-23-2016, 10:45 PM
Boy, some solid managing by Price here.

Yes I know the options suck, but Disco clearly was done and Price let him walk another batter and then brought in probably the WORST guy to use in a bases loaded situation.Price has the worst judgment I've ever seen...

Tom Servo
09-23-2016, 10:53 PM
I will admit I'm coming around just a little bit on Jumbo. I'd never trust him as a late-inning reliever on a good team, but he's pitched pretty well since the All-Star break in middle relief after a hideous first half.

Tom Servo
09-23-2016, 10:58 PM
Leadoff double for Geno in the 9th and he comes around to score on a flyout and groundout. Looking at his 2016 numbers, there are some positives. Power is good, walks are solid. We saw the defense improve leaps and bounds. Just gotta do something about that excessive strikeout total, put more balls in play.

WVRedsFan
09-23-2016, 10:59 PM
Another day, another loss.

Tom Servo
09-23-2016, 11:00 PM
Irribarren strikes out and the Reds are still bad, losing 5-4.

8 losses in the last 9 games. Braves won again tonight. Just sayin.

WVRedsFan
09-24-2016, 12:34 AM
I see what you are implying, but how long will the fanbase be content with getting high draft picks while losing 90-100 games? Not long. In fact, seeing the crowds at GABP,it looks like the loser mentality has already set in. I remember the days between 2000-2011 when you could walk up ten minutes before game time and get primo seats for $10. And there was no one there. Progress? From 2014, the record has been 76-86, 64-98, and so far 63-90. Probably 2016 will have a record of 65-97. Rebuilding is fine, but burn the house down should never have been an option, but it appears it has gone that way. Prospects are just that. In sales you learn there are suspects, prospects, and clients. My fear is the Reds have lots of suspects, few prospects, and a fanbase that won't wait long for a winner.

Tom Servo
09-24-2016, 12:52 AM
I see what you are implying, but how long will the fanbase be content with getting high draft picks while losing 90-100 games? Not long. In fact, seeing the crowds at GABP,it looks like the loser mentality has already set in. I remember the days between 2000-2011 when you could walk up ten minutes before game time and get primo seats for $10. And there was no one there. Progress? From 2014, the record has been 76-86, 64-98, and so far 63-90. Probably 2016 will have a record of 65-97. Rebuilding is fine, but burn the house down should never have been an option, but it appears it has gone that way. Prospects are just that. In sales you learn there are suspects, prospects, and clients. My fear is the Reds have lots of suspects, few prospects, and a fanbase that won't wait long for a winner.
This should be the last season of really a high draft pick, might as well make it count.

I don't want the Reds to suck in 2017.

WrongVerb
09-24-2016, 12:53 AM
I see what you are implying, but how long will the fanbase be content with getting high draft picks while losing 90-100 games? Not long. In fact, seeing the crowds at GABP,it looks like the loser mentality has already set in. I remember the days between 2000-2011 when you could walk up ten minutes before game time and get primo seats for $10. And there was no one there. Progress? From 2014, the record has been 76-86, 64-98, and so far 63-90. Probably 2016 will have a record of 65-97. Rebuilding is fine, but burn the house down should never have been an option, but it appears it has gone that way. Prospects are just that. In sales you learn there are suspects, prospects, and clients. My fear is the Reds have lots of suspects, few prospects, and a fanbase that won't wait long for a winner.

Were you around for "rebuild on the fly" that never actually rebuilt anything? Burn it down now, as long as a solid foundation is installed for the structure that replaces what was burned. I'm for that, and honestly it appears the club is headed in that direction. I'm among those who think competing for the WC next year is a possibility with the talent being accumulated. It just needs time to flourish.

WVRedsFan
09-24-2016, 01:00 AM
This should be the last season of really a high draft pick, might as well make it count.

I don't want the Reds to suck in 2017.Me either, but as long as we continue to keep Bryan Price in charge, counting on the draft to bring us back means we're looking at 2020, and in this society, that means many will, like in the late 90's and early 2000's, desert the Reds. All the good will Bob Cast and Walt Jockety created will be down the drain. It's sad.

Big Klu
09-24-2016, 01:00 AM
On pace for 67-95.

Big Klu
09-24-2016, 01:05 AM
This should be the last season of really a high draft pick, might as well make it count.

I don't want the Reds to suck in 2017.

I do. I've finally come around. I want the #1 pick in 2018, and anything else will be a disappointment.

I understand now that the goal for insignificant franchises in flyover states (such as ours) is to suck as badly as possible, draft as high as possible, develop the talent, trade that talent to media darling franchises for pennies on the dollar, and start the process all over again.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

WVRedsFan
09-24-2016, 01:33 AM
I've ben around since the 1961 season when I was 12. Yep, I'm older than dirt. I've seen it all and loathed much of it. Yes, we are a small market team. Yes, we needed to trade our pitchers who became too expensive, but did we have to rid the franchise of performers wo produced because they might be gone in a couple of years and let this team really suck? Maybe that extra year might have givenj time for the suspects to develop better? I don't know, but wishing to tank to get prospects is folly and fool's gold for the futue of the team in Cincinnati.

Tom Servo
09-24-2016, 01:38 AM
I've ben around since the 1961 season when I was 12. Yep, I'm older than dirt. I've seen it all and loathed much of it. Yes, we are a small market team. Yes, we needed to trade our pitchers who became too expensive, but did we have to rid the franchise of performers wo produced because they might be gone in a couple of years and let this team really suck? Maybe that extra year might have givenj time for the suspects to develop better? I don't know, but wishing to tank to get prospects is folly and fool's gold for the futue of the team in Cincinnati.

You mean Frazier? Because I'm pretty sure he was the only non impending FA the Reds have traded.

Big Klu
09-24-2016, 02:16 AM
You mean Frazier? Because I'm pretty sure he was the only non impending FA the Reds have traded.

There's also Bruce (club option).

ScotlandRed
09-24-2016, 03:32 AM
5 HRs on the year, 3 in the big leagues, for Peraza. That number was 4 in 2015, 2 in 2014, and 1 in 2013.

Almost like a young hitter can improve power output with age. :dunno:

It's not like the HR's he's hit have been wall scrapers either. A couple of bombs in there.

texasdave
09-24-2016, 06:09 AM
Last season, the Reds lost 14 of their last 15. This year they have gone down in defeat in 8 of their last 9, and are dropping quickly. They have checked out. Sayonara. I see no reasons to believe that they will be demonstrably better in 2017.

The Operator
09-24-2016, 08:06 AM
Bad teams are bad until they're good.

They have had multiple nice stretches the second half of this season that make me believe they won't be a total disaster next year. Yes overall the season has sucked but there have been several things to be happy about going forward.

If the young guys continue to develop, they could finish above .500 next year and if some things really go right they might be in the mix for the wild card. May not happen, but there have been several pieces of evidence the second half of this year that lead me to believe they aren't that far off.


The thing is, for everyone who is lamenting the guys that The Reds traded away - weren't those guys here in 2014 and most of 2015? The Reds were still losing at that point, even with Cueto, Leake, Frazier, Chapman, Bruce, etc.

It's not like The Reds pulled a Wayne Huzienga and immediately tore down a team coming off of a fantastic season.

texasdave
09-24-2016, 08:57 AM
Every team can make that claim. Yes, if things fall into place, they will be better. But, realistically, how often does that happen? I am guessing not very often. This club has little depth and poor pitching. And regression from a number of players seems likely to me.
75 wins is their ceiling. They aren't sniffing .500, and they certainly are not contending for a playoff spot.