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klw
09-29-2016, 04:05 PM
Reds lineup:

Peraza 6,
Iribarren 8,
Votto 3,
Duvall 7,
Suarez 5,
De Jesus Jr. 4,
Barnhart 2,
Renda 9,
Straily RHP

Cardinals lineup
Still no caring.

GADawg
09-29-2016, 05:56 PM
I'm no cut and paster but go check out the Cubs lineup tonight.....I hope they bring some of that this weekend

Tom Servo
09-29-2016, 07:17 PM
Wish they had Kivlehan in STL, Irribarren and Renda starting games in the outfield is pretty brutal.


Oh and apparently the game is on now. I thought it was another 8:15 start.

Raisor
09-29-2016, 07:23 PM
I hate the Cardinals and their stupid fans (last time in 2016!)

WrongVerb
09-29-2016, 07:24 PM
Votto with the hard ground ball to 2b. Last night he grounded to 2nd three times but rolled his wrists over each time. This time he barreled the ball. It's a mini slump but he's working his way out of it.

WrongVerb
09-29-2016, 07:26 PM
Footwork, Geno, footwork. He never got himself set to make that throw.

Tom Servo
09-29-2016, 07:32 PM
Nice to see Duvall finishing the year strong, leadoff double in the 2nd.

WrongVerb
09-29-2016, 07:35 PM
It's not luck. It's randomness. There's a difference, Chris.

Tom Servo
09-29-2016, 07:42 PM
Jerko has hit 28 HRs in in 423 PAs. This HR surge is out of control.

Big Klu
09-29-2016, 07:46 PM
Jerko has hit 28 HRs in in 423 PAs. This HR surge is out of control.

I know RBI's don't mean much, but Jerko now has 56 RBI's on the season. Exactly half of his RBI's are himself.

Big Klu
09-29-2016, 07:54 PM
Peraza lollygagged a little on that throw. Grichuk almost beat it for an RBI single.

Big Klu
09-29-2016, 07:55 PM
The Reds should have worn the red jerseys on the road for Straily's last start of the season.

Tom Servo
09-29-2016, 07:59 PM
Peraza's success rate at stealing bases this year has been poor, gotta get better like Billy did if it's going to be a big part of his game.

aernisius
09-29-2016, 08:24 PM
I might not catch anymore game threads this year,so I'll say this here.

As bad as this season was, I am going to miss Reds baseball when it is over.

Thanks for staying around, you weirdos. You make this fun, even in late September.

Ironman92
09-29-2016, 09:21 PM
Definitely losing this game and I'd bet the damn Cards and Mets will make playoffs but Giants and Cueto won't.

Rantly
09-29-2016, 09:25 PM
I know RBI's don't mean much, but Jerko now has 56 RBI's on the season. Exactly half of his RBI's are himself.

IMO that's a great example on when RBI's do mean a lot. Obviously he hit a lot of Homers with the bases empty and did not with runners on base.

Rantly
09-29-2016, 09:27 PM
Definitely losing this game and I'd bet the damn Cards and Mets will make playoffs but Giants and Cueto won't.

SF play the Dodgers this weekend. Will the Dodgers rest starters or play them in order to knock their arch rivals from playoff contention?

BluegrassRedleg
09-29-2016, 09:35 PM
Votto back to .980 OPS with 3 knocks tonight.

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SF play the Dodgers this weekend. Will the Dodgers rest starters or play them in order to knock their arch rivals from playoff contention?

They'd better play to win. You definitely don't want to potentially face arms SF has in playoffs.

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Duvall with RBI #103.

STL 3
CIN 2 T8

Rantly
09-29-2016, 09:50 PM
Votto back to .980 OPS with 3 knocks tonight.

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They'd better play to win. You definitely don't want to potentially face arms SF has in playoffs.

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Duvall with RBI #103.

STL 3
CIN 2 T8
Good point!

klw
09-29-2016, 09:51 PM
What was Votto's injury?

Found it: hit in face with throw and bleeding but okay to run off field

Ironman92
09-29-2016, 09:58 PM
Damnit DeJesus...great play by Suarez

Ironman92
09-29-2016, 10:01 PM
Yeah Joey got drilled in the chin. That's going to need 7 stitches. He'll be back tomorrow

Mutaman
09-29-2016, 10:04 PM
Its no fun w/o Votto, but come on boys- lets make these jerks sweat.

Mutaman
09-29-2016, 10:12 PM
If Cingrani hadn't blown that 2 out 4-1 lead against the Cards, they would really be in trouble.

BluegrassRedleg
09-29-2016, 10:16 PM
Haha! Tie game!


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Mutaman
09-29-2016, 10:17 PM
Far out!

BluegrassRedleg
09-29-2016, 10:17 PM
Schebler legs out a swinging bunt to tie it. At least I think it was. Have screen split on CIN-MIA game.


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Tom Servo
09-29-2016, 10:27 PM
Schebler legs out a swinging bunt to tie it. At least I think it was. Have screen split on CIN-MIA game.

Yup, pretty much.

Wood walks Matt Carpenter, I have a feeling this one could end this inning.

Ironman92
09-29-2016, 10:31 PM
Gutsy by Schebler, clearly tweeked hammy halfway down line and kept it together for the tie.

Tom Servo
09-29-2016, 10:32 PM
It just had to be Molina. Ugh.

Ironman92
09-29-2016, 10:32 PM
Terrible relay to allow Carpenter to score from 1st on a double to LF

Tom Servo
09-29-2016, 10:34 PM
Terrible relay to allow Carpenter to score from 1st on a double to LF
Looked like Duvall missed the cutoff man, it went over his head and then there was no chance.

Chip R
09-29-2016, 10:34 PM
Molina, of course.

The Operator
09-29-2016, 10:36 PM
Why was Blake Wood even pitching a second inning?

He and Ohlendorf have both had trouble going more than one inning this year and it's not like they don't have a million pitchers right now.

I mean I'm the long run it doesn't matter, but I really wanted to take 3 out of 4 from The Cardinals when their season is on the line.

The Giants sure aren't helping things either.

Tom Servo
09-29-2016, 10:37 PM
Why was Blake Wood even pitching a second inning?

He and Ohlendorf have both had trouble going more than one inning this year and it's not like they don't have a million pitchers right now.

I mean I'm the long run it doesn't matter, but I really wanted to take 3 out of 4 from The Cardinals when their season is on the line.

The Giants sure aren't helping things either.
We only have 500 pitchers and 3 games left, can't risk burning Blake Wood for just an inning.

BluegrassRedleg
09-29-2016, 10:48 PM
We're all Buccos now.

WVRedsFan
09-29-2016, 11:03 PM
We're all Buccos now.Not me. Never!!!

Ironman92
09-29-2016, 11:06 PM
Watch them make the playoffs on this...just watch

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160930/51825b4d1f81b5cdf71b4967a0063923.jpg

BluegrassRedleg
09-29-2016, 11:09 PM
Not me. Never!!!

I'm going out and buying a pillox P cap.

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Watch them make the playoffs on this...just watch

Yep. You know it. I know it.

And then the real "magic" begins.

Mutaman
09-29-2016, 11:17 PM
He and Ohlendorf have both had trouble going more than one inning this year

Just to set the record straight, Ohlendorf had trouble going more than one batter this year.

Looks like Bryan screwed the pooch. Hopefully this was his last opportunity to do that.

Big Klu
09-29-2016, 11:26 PM
Watch them make the playoffs on this...just watch

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160930/51825b4d1f81b5cdf71b4967a0063923.jpg

What is this about? I turned off the TV when the run scored.

Newport Red
09-29-2016, 11:34 PM
The winning hit was really a ground rule double.

BluegrassRedleg
09-29-2016, 11:40 PM
The winning hit was really a ground rule double.

I'm sure the NYM and SFG are thrilled with this.

Tony Cloninger
09-29-2016, 11:47 PM
The Giants have no one to blame but themselves the way they played since the ASB and they blew a game at home to the Cardinals ....in the 9th.

Almost like 2011 when the Braves blew their playoff chances and the Cardinals just backed it in by that choke job.

WVRedsFan
09-29-2016, 11:56 PM
The 10-second rule. Anyone ever heard of it? Not me, nor Bryan Price, nor anyone but maybe those umpires who had dinner reservations. You can't make this stuff up.

BluegrassRedleg
09-29-2016, 11:59 PM
Amazing that MLB allows a game to be delayed forever to get a random call in the middle of the season right, but a game-winning play with the season on the line, and they're trying to get the hell out of Dodge!


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Tom Servo
09-30-2016, 12:08 AM
Jeez why are the Reds acting like they are in a playoff race or something with this finish. It doesn't matter.

BluegrassRedleg
09-30-2016, 12:11 AM
Jeez why are the Reds acting like they are in a playoff race or something with this finish. It doesn't matter.

I think it may show that this rivalry still means something to them. Otherwise, it's pointless.

But imagine if you've played 159 games this season and sat through -- what, 300 replays -- and then you think about the absurdity of THAT play not being reviewed.

Newport Red
09-30-2016, 12:17 AM
Jeez why are the Reds acting like they are in a playoff race or something with this finish. It doesn't matter.

Why not care. It's not like they all get a bonus for getting the third pick in the draft.

757690
09-30-2016, 12:34 AM
If the Cards and Giants are within one game of each other at the end of the season, my guess is this goes way of the pine tar incident, the call is overturned by MLB, and the Reds and Cards have to go back and finish this game.

Tom Servo
09-30-2016, 12:56 AM
I mean, I could get it if it was a questionable ruling but the non-call there was fine.

I don't even understand why that part of the wall would be considered out of play. If you hit a shot directly off of those signs, it doesn't count as a home run. Why is it out of play if it bounces up against it?

Kingspoint
09-30-2016, 01:02 AM
Farce.

WVRedsFan
09-30-2016, 02:09 AM
Every game means something, and in this case, it means a lot to the San Francisco Giants, New York Mets, and the St Louis Cardinals. Yet, four umpires decided to walk away after waiting ten second to cover up their incompetence and lack of doing the right thing. Yeah, it doesn't mean much to the Reds, but the implications in the wild card were huge. Of course it was dinner time or bar time and delaying might have inconenciaced them. Truth be told, umpires don't like the video review because it makes them look incompetent. Easy to use the 10 second rule because it got them out of there and they get to be the terminator, which they like. No question on their judgment. For the Reds, it means a lot to the horrible pitcher we had out there and the team who I think really wants to win. None of that mattered, but it did to the Reds. Shameful

WVRedsFan
09-30-2016, 02:13 AM
One more thing. Regardless of where we end up in the draft, the team is the team and want to win and be winners and loses in a fair game. Those players on the field couldn't care less about a stupid draft pick. They want to win and get a fair shake. It didn't happen tonight. My feeling is that our pitcher would have given up the winning hit after that decision (which he does over and over), but he didn't get the chance. Cardinal luck or umpire incompetence. Same thing.

Big Klu
09-30-2016, 02:37 AM
On pace for 68-94.

cumberlandreds
09-30-2016, 08:15 AM
In the end this didn't matter for the Reds. But it does mean a lot to the Giants and Cardinals.

I just saw the final play. First off it looked sort of obvious that the ball hit the back wall. So I don't how an umpire couldn't see that. But of course I was looking for it too. Still wouldn't this come under an umpire review? They shouldn't have to wait for a team challenge.
Also Price should have jumped out of the dugout as soon as that happened to challenge. He shouldn't be waiting on a phone call what could and was the last play of the game.

redsmetz
09-30-2016, 08:28 AM
Here's the irony. Had the runner been thrown out at the plate, I'm guessing the Cardinals would have asked for a review to see if it was, in fact, a ground rule double.

Sea Ray
09-30-2016, 08:29 AM
I think this game will serve as exhibit A when they rewrite this rule in the off season. As for the game itself, I agree it was a bad call and the umps on the field should have ruled on it correctly as it happened live but I also don't see any way our Reds were going to win the game given what we had available in our bullpen.

DocRed
09-30-2016, 09:09 AM
Not surprising that the MLB coddled lazy umps would run off the field and refuse to come back on....you wouldn't see that in any other sport.

Tom Servo
09-30-2016, 09:26 AM
I agree it was a bad call and the umps on the field should have ruled on it correctly as it happened live
Did anybody honestly think in real time that there was anything objectionable about the play?

kaldaniels
09-30-2016, 09:49 AM
Did anybody honestly think in real time that there was anything objectionable about the play?

In the heat of the moment when the ball bounced I did think "please be a ground rule double". Now admittedly I didn't know the ground rules of the stadium but the umps should.

ESPN is really hammering the umps today vis a vis the playoff implications. I like it.

Sea Ray
09-30-2016, 10:01 AM
Did anybody honestly think in real time that there was anything objectionable about the play?

Absolutely. The only question is what the ground rules are at that stadium. There was never any question about what wall it hit

Beltway
09-30-2016, 12:40 PM
Did anybody honestly think in real time that there was anything objectionable about the play?
Yeah, I was annoyed that Duvall missed the cutoff man, which allowed a slow Matt Carpenter to score from first.

RedbirdPat
09-30-2016, 01:40 PM
Cards fan here. I know the ground rules for that particular play are confusing, even for Cardinal fans. Here is a pic of that left field wall from the side.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f5/f0/f9/f5f0f985b4c4bd7b506425a43cc27390.jpg

You can see there is an area of grass between the front wall and those signs. If somebody hits those signs behind the wall on the fly, it is a home run. It's hard to see from the normal camera angle during the game. It looks like those signs are right on top of the wall. But they are a bit behind. So a ground rule double would have been the correct call for last night, if the umpires had seen it.

All stadiums have some weird ground rules, and that is one for St. Louis. Personally, if they are going to do that, I think they should at least have a yellow line or something to indicate where the home run line is. I think the outfielder would have been more likely to put his hands up and declare a double if that was the case. And the umpires probably would have reviewed it.

Lots of things had to happen for the Cards to win on that play. Umpires missed the call. Outfielder didn't know the ground rules, or missed where it hit. 3rd base coach didn't see it. Manager didn't see it and didn't make an immediate challenge. And having to make an immediate challenge is kind of a questionable rule to me, since replay is supposedly there to make the correct call.

RedbirdPat
09-30-2016, 01:56 PM
"3rd base coach didn't see it". Oops. I guess that was the Cards' 3rd base coach. :-)

Raisor
09-30-2016, 02:39 PM
I hate the cardinals and their stupid fans.

RedbirdPat, that includes you, but you seem like an ok guy nonetheless.

:)

RedbirdPat
09-30-2016, 02:54 PM
Well I am a Cards fan, and as you can see from my last post, I'm also stupid. So, I guess I am a stupid Cardinals fan. :-)

Mutaman
09-30-2016, 05:55 PM
If the Cards and Giants are within one game of each other at the end of the season, my guess is this goes way of the pine tar incident, the call is overturned by MLB, and the Reds and Cards have to go back and finish this game.


This was anti-pine tar. The pine tar incident happened because Nettles and Martin were really sharp and were just waiting for the right time to call it. Last night happened because Bryan was asleep at the switch. (Would it be wrong to add "as usual").

ScotlandRed
09-30-2016, 07:29 PM
NVM