4/8/17 - Reds @ Cardinals - 2:15 PM - Return of Arroyo

[Donder]

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Price gets the bench guys a start.

[RedTeamGo!]

Action/Charles Bronson Arroyo to kill the the great start to the season! Hooray!

[Donder]

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Arroyo's gap of 3 years, 192 days between games for the Reds will be the longest for any player since Chris Hammond had a gap of 13 years, 184 days from 1992 to 2006.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/20170407222970276/reds-arroyo-makes-return-vs-cards-wacha/?game_pk=490166

[ochoa30]

Giving Hamilton the day off with Arroyo on the mound is puzzling to say the least. Alcantara needs playing time but maybe he could have played second instead. You don't need to work all bench players in to one game Bryan, lol.

[Knightro28]

Special teams, punt unit on the field.

[RedTeamGo!]

Giving Hamilton the day off with Arroyo on the mound is puzzling to say the least. Alcantara needs playing time but maybe he could have played second instead. You don't need to work all bench players onto one game Bryan, lol.

I'm cool with it, rather the starters get a rest today and all play tomorrow when they have a chance to win.

[Raisor]

Awesome bench today.

[Tom Servo]

I get giving Hamilton and Peraza a breather, but Kivlehan (.236/.290/.353 against righties last year in AAA) over Schebler against a righty doesn't add up to me.

Give em hell Bronson.

[Donder]

2017 whipping boy- any starting pitcher over 25. Whipping men I guess.

[OnBaseMachine]

With Arroyo pitching, wouldn't it make sense to play your best defensive outfield? I'm glad to see Alcantara starting, but play him at 2B and put Hamilton and Schebler in the lineup.

[Raisor]

Everyone knows I don't think that Bronson should be anywhere near the active roster. That being said, purely as a fan I'm actually pretty excited about it as a one day thing.


...his next 30 starts however...

[reds44]

It's the first week of the season, the amount of complaining about lineups is unreal.

[RedTeamGo!]

2017 whipping boy- any starting pitcher over 25. Whipping men I guess.

Huh? Arroyo is kind of a special case, don't you think?

[Raisor]

It's the first week of the season, the amount of complaining about lineups is unreal.

they will score 19 today.

[Knightro28]

It's the first week of the season, the amount of complaining about lineups is unreal.

Bryan Price is still the manager, is he not? Why should he get a pass the first week of the season?

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they will score 19 today.

And still lose

[Knightro28]

In all serious though... Gennett = great pick up. Alcantara, I'm curious to see him progress. Kivlehan, sure, needs some ABs. The killer is that all of them start behind 40-yr old Arroyo

[RedlegJake]

It's a lot better than the past couple years when Price used multiple subs. At least these guys actually have some talent.

[Raisor]

Reds/Cards Is the MLB.TV Game of the day

[Raisor]

My supervisor at work is a Cards fan.

We are both in the office today watching the game. He hasn't responded much to my trash talk.

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I hate the Cardinals and their stupid fans.

[Wolves198921]

I wish they would put the bench players in on the weekday early afternoon games rather then the weekend games when everyone is watching.

[Donder]

Huh? Arroyo is kind of a special case, don't you think?

Sure. Just pointing out that he and Feldmen are getting the brunt of the complaints so far.

[RedsLvr]

Getting tired of the 1st inning at bats

[OnBaseMachine]

Votto is swinging at everything inside the strike zone. 5 pitch inning for Wacha.

[Tom Servo]

Yikes

[Chip R]

They have a plane to catch?

[JaxRed]

Wonder if there's a chance Billy is hurting a little. He was shaking his hand like he jammed it going into second last night.

[RedTeamGo!]

What the heck was that, Joey?

[membengal]

Do the reds have early dinner reservations?


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[Donder]

Great to see that leg kick. Welcome back, Bunny.

[Wonderful Monds]

lol

[Tom Servo]

That'll happen.

[Donder]

Well crap. Diaz HR.

[RedTeamGo!]

Was that a 76 mph fastball?

[Raisor]

Bronson at 79 MPH

[RedTeamGo!]

70 mph

Is this some sort of a joke?

[kaldaniels]

12167

[NebraskaRed]

this is surely something to see

[Raisor]

Gassed it to 85 for ball 4

[kaldaniels]

So thats what they've been hiding from us.

I knew something was awry.

[Tom Servo]

what

[NebraskaRed]

lol

[KYExtemper]

Unless Arroyo is going to get some advice from Tim Wakefield on throwing knuckleballs, this does not look good at all.

[Raisor]

Only gave up 2 runs

[Tom Servo]

I dunno man, that wasn't too pretty, but I think it has a chance to play for at least a little bit. I think Bronson throwing slop is still better than Adleman, for instance.

[RedsLvr]

So what's up with this Spectrum and Fox Sports dispute? Just read that all Time Warner customers are going to lose all Fox Sports coverage starting Monday unless the dispute is settled...

[ochoa30]

Only gave up 2 runs

To be fair, only the Homer was hit hard. Second run was luck.

[Wolves198921]

Arroyo shouldn't be in the lineup. Looks more like a double A pitcher than MLB. I think this is going to be a long day.

[RedTeamGo!]

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[NebraskaRed]

Jenifer Langosch‏Verified account @LangoschMLB 2m2 minutes ago

Per #Statcast, Molina's RBI double - with exit velocity of 88.5 mph and launch angle of 53 degrees - is a hit only 1 percent of the time.

[RedTeamGo!]

Arroyo shouldn't be in the lineup. Looks more like a double A pitcher than MLB. I think this is going to be a long day.

AA?

If there was a dude in AA throwing 76 mph fastballs he would be released mid game.

[KYExtemper]

So what's up with this Spectrum and Fox Sports dispute? Just read that all Time Warner customers are going to lose all Fox Sports coverage starting Monday unless the dispute is settled...

If this happens then I know I'll cancel my cable subscription immediately....

[757690]

Second run kinda a result of the backups playing. Not positive Peraza or Schebler get that, but much more likely.

[membengal]

The difference in velocity from arroyo to wacha is lol.


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[ochoa30]

Wacha throwing hard. Hate to say it but with his change up he might be due for a big bounce back year.

[Raisor]

Wacha throwing hard. Hate to say it

Then don't say it!


but with his change up he might be due for a big bounce back year.

Damnit

[RiverRat13]

Just think how fast Stephenson's velocity will appear when he replaces Arroyo. Brilliant strategy by Price.


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[Wonderful Monds]

Mat Adams, lol

[Donder]

Second run kinda a result of the backups playing. Not positive Peraza or Schebler get that, but much more likely.

Yeah I almost asked if Schebler would have gotten it. I think he would have.

Loving this hot start for Cozart.

[Tom Servo]

Fun fact: Jamie Moyer's last ever start at age 49 came against the Reds at Great American Ball Park.

[Raisor]

Cozartriple

[RedTeamGo!]

Good AB by Suarez

[sdwagers]

Fat Adams has no business being in LF... but we thank you Matheny!

[ochoa30]

That was hilariously bad. Adam Dunn is laughing his butt off.

[Raisor]

Here comes Bronson.

Hold onto your butts.

[NebraskaRed]

Got the pitch count up, so there's something

[ochoa30]

Got the pitch count up, so there's something

Yeah, atleast they saw some pitches that inning.

[757690]

My guess is Kivlehan becomes this year's Chris Dominguez

[Chip R]

So what's up with this Spectrum and Fox Sports dispute? Just read that all Time Warner customers are going to lose all Fox Sports coverage starting Monday unless the dispute is settled...

That happens a lot. They usually come to a deal by the deadline.

[OnBaseMachine]

Not exactly sure why Kivlehan is starting vs a RHP.

[Caveat Emperor]

I know this team is probably going nowhere, but why is Price starting these guys like Kivelahan and Alcantra in game 5? Play the starting lineup -- especially when the bench is guys who shouldn't have a job.

[Kc61]

Reds really swinging away so far this year.

Patience, guys.

[Tom Servo]

Can't be walking guys Bronson.

[Raisor]

I know this team is probably going nowhere, but why is Price starting these guys like Kivelahan and Alcantra in game 5? Play the starting lineup -- especially when the bench is guys who shouldn't have a job.

I can agree on Kivelahan, but I'm fine with Alcantra. Billy is fragile and needs to get regular rest.

[NebraskaRed]

Jenifer Langosch‏Verified account @LangoschMLB 1m1 minute ago

For a reference point, Zack Cozart's triple had a catch probability of 96 percent, according to #Statcast. Matt Adams couldn't track it down

[RedTeamGo!]

Why would long hair make people think Arroyo doesn't take care of himself?

[Raisor]

Why would long hair make people think Arroyo doesn't take care of himself?

dirty hippie

[Wonderful Monds]

Bringing the HEAT!

[RedTeamGo!]

dirty hippie

Hey, I resemble that remark

[Tom Servo]

He did the deal!

[Raisor]

Bronson gives up no runs in inning 2

[Donder]

Hey Diaz, Arroyo just struck you out on 3 pitches- 86, 77, and 77.

[NebraskaRed]

I still haven't gotten over how surreal it is to watch Arroyo pitching for the Reds again

[PutPeteIn]

BUNNY!

[WrongVerb]

Jenifer Langosch‏Verified account @LangoschMLB 1m1 minute ago

For a reference point, Zack Cozart's triple had a catch probability of 96 percent, according to #Statcast. Matt Adams couldn't track it down

I've been saying for years that the Cardinals put little emphasis on defense when considering where to play offense first players, and yet are in competention for the playoffs every year.

[Raisor]

BUNNY!

My Aunt Bunny wants to know why you keep asking about her.

My Uncle Monty wants to know too.

[ochoa30]

Hit the ball to left field!

[Raisor]

Jed Jerkface

[Tom Servo]

Alright Bronson, just pretend you're facing Glendon Rusch.

[Donder]

Why would long hair make people think Arroyo doesn't take care of himself?

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[Wonderful Monds]

Jedd Gyorko was created in a laboratory to be a scrappy Cardinals infielder

[Raisor]

Jedd Gyorko was created in a laboratory to be a scrappy Cardinals infielder

Above Average Post

[Caveat Emperor]

I can agree on Kivelahan, but I'm fine with Alcantra. Billy is fragile and needs to get regular rest.

Cool. Don't give him that rest on days you're also starting Kivelahan and Scooter. This is a glorified split squad lineup.

[OnBaseMachine]

Bronson still has a decent breaking ball.

[Wonderful Monds]

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I'm still trying to figure out why the Swedish chef has a real hand in the background lol

[Caveat Emperor]

Also, if you're following along the MLB app's gameday, Bronson Arroyo has yet to throw a fastball.

[Raisor]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Swedish chef has a real hand in the background lol

He's always had real hands.

Seriously.

[Tom Servo]

Also, if you're following along the MLB app's gameday, Bronson Arroyo has yet to throw a fastball.
Hey he's hit 86 mph, Jered Weaver might be jealous.

[Wonderful Monds]

He's always had real hands.

Seriously.

...huh, yeah, not sure how that slipped my mind even upon seeing it, haha

[BluegrassRedleg]

Blew that 74 mph by Adams. [emoji3]


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[Raisor]

...huh, yeah, not sure how that slipped my mind even upon seeing it, haha

He usually has a knife in his hand. Really don't want to have muppet hands with a cleaver.

[PutPeteIn]

Arroyo officially dealing.

[RedTeamGo!]

Arroyo officially dealing.

Like at a blackjack table between innings?

[Wonderful Monds]

Joey just moved past DatDude on the all time Reds doubles leaderboard

Still holds the sole possession of #1 in paper airplanes stomped.

[RedTeamGo!]

Alcantara looks like a 10 year old at the plate. Why did we keep this guy over Jennings?

[Wonderful Monds]

RBI double by Geno!

[Tom Servo]

Genooooo

[OnBaseMachine]

Alcantara looks like a 10 year old at the plate. Why did we keep this guy over Jennings?

Because Jennings is 30 and Alcantara is 25, can play multiple positions, and has upside?

[RedTeamGo!]

Because Jennings is 30 and Alcantara is 25, can play multiple positions, and has upside?

What upside?

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Apparently Marty flipped out because Votto didn't tag up on Duvall's flyout.

[Red Raindog]

...huh, yeah, not sure how that slipped my mind even upon seeing it, haha

I can tell you it gets --- um - whre I was I going with this -- oh yeah -- worse!

[RedsLvr]

What upside?

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Apparently Marty flipped out because Votto didn't tag up on Duvall's flyout.

LOL Votto can't win. Marty would have had an even bigger fit if that ball hit off the wall and Votto didn't score because he was trying to tag

[BluegrassRedleg]

Tone may change at any moment, but this is thoroughly amusing right now.


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[membengal]

Oh yeah? The Gyorko store called and they are out of you!


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[RedsLvr]

Tone may change at any moment, but this is thoroughly amusing right now.


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Double off the wall
:thumbdown:

[reds44]

Because Jennings is 30 and Alcantara is 25, can play multiple positions, and has upside?

And because Jennings is also bad lol

[reds44]

I've seen Arroyo's fastball anywhere from 80-86 today. If he can consistently throw closer to the 86, I think he can get people out.

Trying to throw 80 and get people out though, I don't see how that's possible.

[BluegrassRedleg]

#*%#


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[reds44]

Woof

[Crumbley]

FSO is already skipping Sunday games?

[Strikes Out Looking]

FSO is already skipping Sunday games?

Price showed them by putting the Sunday lineup in on Saturday.

[membengal]

FSO is already skipping Sunday games?

Feldman v Martinez feels like a mercy-skip. For those of us out of market, we can still view the likely horror on cardinals feed.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Duvall looked worse than Adams on that play

[BluegrassRedleg]

What in the world is Price wearing today? That's hideous.


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[OnBaseMachine]

Duvall misplayed the Gyorko double.

[reds44]

Yeaaaaaah that's enough of Arroyo.

[Wonderful Monds]

That bunny is cooked

[Donder]

Ok. That'll do.

[BluegrassRedleg]

And the tone changed. That may be ballgame


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[membengal]

Is the nostalgia still fun? How long we gonna do this?


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[Raisor]

Yeaaaaaah that's enough of Arroyo.

Good luck getting him out of the rotation

[OnBaseMachine]

Inability to retire the career .092 hitter Wacha costs Arroyo four runs.

[Tom Servo]

probably shouldn't have thrown that there

[Ron Madden]

This expreriment should end now..

[Wolves198921]

Well it would have been nice to play the best players on a Saturday game. Oh well my expectations for Price is zero, need a competent coach.

[OnBaseMachine]

Time to bring Robert Stephenson in for 3-4 innings.

[RedTeamGo!]

Is the nostalgia still fun? How long we gonna do this?


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When was it fun?

[Strikes Out Looking]

Well I guess we will see Mr. BobSteve shortly

[Tom Servo]

Good luck getting him out of the rotation
I know you've been saying this all winter, but I don't buy it. A few more games like this and experiment over.

[Tracy Jones]

Good luck getting him out of the rotation

He'll be out by the end of April with more results like today.

[Raisor]

I know you've been saying this all winter, but I don't buy it. A few more games like this and experiment over.

And you said they wouldn't gift him a spot in the rotation that he would have to earn it.

[reds44]

Good luck getting him out of the rotation

He'll get his brains beat in 4-5 more times and then they'll yank him out.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Maybe the Cards will throw Jeff Suppan tomorrow.


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[Tom Servo]

And you said they wouldn't gift him a spot in the rotation that he would have to earn it.
It was mostly attrition, I think he'd be in Arizona throwing in extended minor league camp if Bailey and Disco had been healthy.

[Donder]

I know you've been saying this all winter, but I don't buy it. A few more games like this and experiment over.

I can't imagine Arroyo not retiring if his ERA is Simonesque after a few starts.

[Raisor]

He'll get his brains beat in 4-5 more times and then they'll yank him out.

Guess we will see.

I hope I'm wrong.

[RedsLvr]

I know you've been saying this all winter, but I don't buy it. A few more games like this and experiment over.

Don't think this was an experiment. They knew what they'd get out of Arroyo..and I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the mound for months to come

[RedlegJake]

I don't know...with Price I have to wonder if Bronson will voluntarily retire before he gets pulled from the rotation

[Tracy Jones]

Not to fear. We'll still win this series. The opening day ace is going tomorrow after all...

[RedTeamGo!]

This is honestly like watching a position player pitch. If he has any pride he retires after the game.

[reds44]

Put me in the camp who doesn't think Arroyo has any interest in getting his doors blown off all season too.

[Raisor]

I can't imagine Arroyo not retiring if his ERA is Simonesque after a few starts.

If it's a few starts, if he feels good, you don't think he's going to want time to build up arm strength?

They'll still give the line about not wanting to rush the kids.

[Wonderful Monds]

Maybe the Reds selected Arroyo to go on a Beer Run for them

[reds44]

If it's a few starts, if he feels good, you don't think he's going to want time to build up arm strength?

They'll still give the line about not wanting to rush the kids.

Not wanting to rush what kids? All but Romano are here lol

[Tom Servo]

This is honestly like watching a position player pitch. If he has any pride he retires after the game.
A little harsh, it's not like he gave up 10 runs in an inning. I've seen worse outings from Reds pitchers, let alone big league pitchers.

I imagine he'll make at least one start at GABP.

[Raisor]

It was mostly attrition, I think he'd be in Arizona throwing in extended minor league camp if Bailey and Disco had been healthy.

Reed and Stephenson are both on the 25 man roster

[reds44]

First time through to rotation has seen 3 starts of less than 5 innings.

That's why they have a 13 man staff.

[Wonderful Monds]

Why is Finnegan pinch hitting lol

[RedTeamGo!]

A little harsh, it's not like he gave up 10 runs in an inning. I've seen worse outings from Reds pitchers, let alone big league pitchers.

I imagine he'll make at least one start at GABP.

It's not just the results. It's the velocity and results, mostly.

[Tracy Jones]

Sorry, but if you think the Reds will stick with Arroyo if today is what they get for another 2-3 starts, you're wrong.

[reds44]

Why is Finnegan pinch hitting lol

No other options on the bench, dude.

[Tom Servo]

Reed and Stephenson are both on the 25 man roster
I'm not convinced the same thing that happened to Arroyo wouldn't have happened to either of them today.

[RedsLvr]

I know it's 6-1. I know it's they're not starting. But why god why is Finnegan pinch hitting when we have two starters on the bench?

[Kc61]

A little harsh, it's not like he gave up 10 runs in an inning. I've seen worse outings from Reds pitchers, let alone big league pitchers.

I imagine he'll make at least one start at GABP.

For sure. And they will draw a good crowd. And the beat writers will get good interviews. And everyone will call him Bronson, he's a beloved former Reds star.

Look, the Reds have a right to do this, rebuilding is tough on fans. It's a good story, fans love him, and the Reds need some stop gap veterans.

But it's not a situation likely to add wins to the team or to provide many outings that go deep into games.

[Donder]

Is Price's fascination with PHing pitchers his way of showing Williams that he doesn't need a bench because he won't use them anyway?

[reds44]

I know it's 6-1. I know it's they're not starting. But why god why is Finnegan pinch hitting when we have two starters on the bench?

Three*

[BluegrassRedleg]

Why is Finnegan pinch hitting lol

Apparently the new norm with the bench they're using.


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[zrt123]

Why not have Scheb or Billy hit there? Not a bad AB by Finny but still

[reds44]

Just let it fly out of the pen, Bobsteve.

[RedTeamGo!]

I love everything Williams has done, and then he had to sign Bronson freaking Arroyo.

[Raisor]

I'm not convinced the same thing that happened to Arroyo wouldn't have happened to either of them today.

Very well may have. Not really the point.

[Tom Servo]

98 mph on the first pitch, nice.

[membengal]

New theory - reds management has a huge bet down on the cardinals today


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[Tracy Jones]

Why not have Scheb or Billy hit there? Not a bad AB by Finny but still

Hoping for a 5 run HR from Schebler?

[reds44]

Adams has terrible tats, too.

[CWRed]

Price manages like every game will go 13 innings. I continue to question his brain activity.

[Rantly]

I know it's 6-1. I know it's they're not starting. But why god why is Finnegan pinch hitting when we have two starters on the bench?

You answered your own question.

[OnBaseMachine]

Same old crap. Stephenson simply can't locate his fastball for strikes for whatever reason.

[reds44]

Somebody needs to tell Welsh Stephenson really can't control where the ball is going.

[Tom Servo]

Very well may have. Not really the point.
I don't see how Reed or Stephenson getting their head kicked in is any better than Arroyo getting his head kicked in. The former is discouraging for everyone involved, the latter is a shoulder shrug.

[Raisor]

Stephenson hasn't pitched in 8 days and we wonder why he has control problems?

[reds44]

this is brutal

[zrt123]

Hoping for a 5 run HR from Schebler?

I would really rather have a 6 run HR for the lead, but I could have settled for a 2 run homer to get them back in it

[reds44]

Stephenson hasn't pitched in 8 days and we wonder why he has control problems?

Come on Raisor, that's not why he has control problems.

[Raisor]

I don't see how Reed or Stephenson getting their head kicked in is any better than Arroyo getting his head kicked in. The former is discouraging for everyone involved, the latter is a shoulder shrug.

Which is why Bronson is going to keep getting starts.

[Tom Servo]

this is brutal
You told him to let it fly, unfortunately this is generally what happens when he does.

[Tracy Jones]

Stephenson is so soooo bad

[Wonderful Monds]

Bobby Steve can't buy a strike right now

[Strikes Out Looking]

I'm not sure why Stephenson isn't pitching in Louisville or Pensacola.

[reds44]

You told him to let it fly, unfortunately this is generally what happens when he does.

happens when he doesn't let it fly too lol

[ochoa30]

Such a shame, guy could be special if he could locate at all. Maybe one day but the reds probably won't see it happen.

[OnBaseMachine]

That was a strike for Wacha.

[Raisor]

Come on Raisor, that's not why he has control problems.

It doesn't help. I'm fine with him in the pen. It they need to use him. If not he needs to be in AAA

[Tom Servo]

Ball 4 to Molina was a strike, btw.

[Wonderful Monds]

It's that kinda day.

[OnBaseMachine]

Now a balk. Self-destruction. Throwing upper 90's but he's missing two feet high.

[RedsLvr]

He's called a TON of balls out of the zone a strike today..one to Votto was a foot outside. Don't know why it shrunk so much there

[reds44]

I'd still rather have him throw 98 and walk people than throwing 91 and walk people

[ochoa30]

I'd still rather have him throw 98 and walk people than throwing 91 and walk people

Or you know, he could be in the minors where he belongs until he can throw strikes or he retires.

[reds44]

Or you know, he could be in the minors where he belongs until he can throw strikes or he retires.

or dies

[Tom Servo]

Zach Buchanan
@ZachENQ

Twitter, during Arroyo's four innings: Why is this guy starting in place of Stephenson?!!!

Twitter now: Why is Stephenson in the majors?!!!

[ochoa30]

or dies

Lol, hopefully not that until he's old and had a nice fulfilling life. Baseball is important to us but he's just a kid. He's trying out there. Reds have really mishandled him IMO.

[membengal]

Zach Buchanan
@ZachENQ

Twitter, during Arroyo's four innings: Why is this guy starting in place of Stephenson?!!!

Twitter now: Why is Stephenson in the majors?!!!

Or, be like me, still riding for Romano.

Decent comeback - one more and he's out of this.


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[Tracy Jones]

Lol, hopefully not that until he's old and had a nice fulfilling life. Baseball is important to us but he's just a kid. He's trying out there. Reds have really mishandled him IMO.

Reds haven't done a thing to mishandle him. The organization can't throw it over the plate for him.

[ochoa30]

Really nice pitch there. Looks like he's just trying to mimic Reed.

[Wonderful Monds]

no pitch IBB, incorrectly identified by Kelch as the first of the season

[Tracy Jones]

He is going to get out of this however...if he gets Wacha. That would be pretty awesome.

[Tom Servo]

Bold strategy loading up the bases with a pitcher who can't throw strikes.

[Tracy Jones]

Yikes

[Kc61]

All these young players deserve some slack early in the season. Lots of pressure on them, some are used sporadically, they aren't all used to this environment.

Garrett handled it well, but it's only one game, things might not always go so smoothly.

Doesn't mean they all are great players, but have to consider the circumstances. Easy folks.

[OnBaseMachine]

Robert Stephenson has FILTHY stuff. Mid to upper 90's heat. The curveball he flashed that inning was incredible. If he could locate his fastball consistently, he's Justin Verlander.

[zrt123]

Skates out of danger!

[ochoa30]

Reds haven't done a thing to mishandle him. The organization can't throw it over the plate for him.

You don't bring a guy to the highest level of play when he hasn't proven he can throw strikes or even be decent at a lower level in triple a. I get why they did it because service time and all that but it's been a disservice to his development. The hype train ran this kid over. That said, great comeback, hopefully he can have a few nice innings after this.

[OnBaseMachine]

BTW, ball four on Molina was actually strike 3.

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[Tom Servo]

All these young players deserve some slack early in the season. Lots of pressure on them, some are used sporadically, they aren't all used to this environment.

Garrett handled it well, but it's only one game, things might not always go so smoothly.

Doesn't mean they all are great players, but have to consider the circumstances. Easy folks.
Anyone looking to cut bait on these guys is being foolish. Jake Arrieta was 24 when he debuted with Baltimore and pitched to a 1.535 WHIP with 4.3 walks to 4.7 strikeouts.

[reds44]

BTW, ball four on Molina was actually strike 3.

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That's a really borderline pitch to complain about, especially for somebody who was throwing the ball all over the place.

[OnBaseMachine]

That's a really borderline pitch to complain about, especially for somebody who was throwing the ball all over the place.

It's on the corner. Regardless of how wild a pitcher is, a strike is a strike;

[CrackerJack]

A little harsh, it's not like he gave up 10 runs in an inning. I've seen worse outings from Reds pitchers, let alone big league pitchers.

I imagine he'll make at least one start at GABP.

I don't see the point, but could see them doing that - if he gets hammered again (likely) then I really wish he would just retire as a Red and let's move on from this silliness.

[OnBaseMachine]

I hope we see Stephenson for a couple more innings at least. He often settles down after a rough first inning.

[Tracy Jones]

You don't bring a guy to the highest level of play when he hasn't proven he can throw strikes or even be decent at a lower level in triple a. I get why they did it because service time and all that but it's been a disservice to his development. The hype train ran this kid over. That said, great comeback, hopefully he can have a few nice innings after this.

He actually was better in Cincinnati than he was in double or triple A. It was what? 3 starts? That's why Stephenson stinks?

He stinks because of Robert Stephenson. Not because of the Reds organization. They're giving him every chance in the world to be successful. It's now all up to him.

[ochoa30]

He actually was better in Cincinnati than he was in double or triple A. It was what? 3 starts? That's why Stephenson stinks?

He stinks because of Robert Stephenson. Not because of the Reds organization. They're giving him every chance in the world to be successful. It's now all up to him.

No, he wasn't. He was awful last year in Cincinnati. And I don't think he stinks. Just that he's not there yet. Still have faith he will find it. Just hope it's with the reds.

[Kc61]

You don't bring a guy to the highest level of play when he hasn't proven he can throw strikes or even be decent at a lower level in triple a. I get why they did it because service time and all that but it's been a disservice to his development. The hype train ran this kid over. That said, great comeback, hopefully he can have a few nice innings after this.

Stephenson has 600 minor league innings. Maybe sending him back down isn't the best approach. We're talking about teaching methods, they differ, sometimes a change of approach is good.

I agree he's been over hyped, but I think this is a good approach to try and harness his abilities.

[Wonderful Monds]

Yeah I don't think I'd agree that Stephenson has been jerked around either. Homer Bailey was mishandled, Stephenson has had plenty of time to move along.

[Tracy Jones]

It's on the corner. Regardless of how wild a pitcher is, a strike is a strike;

Yeah but that's not the reality of baseball or any professional sport. A wild rookie is not going to get that call for strike 3 against Yadier Molina. It's not fair, but it's reality.

[reds44]

Let it fly again, BobSteve

[zrt123]

bad luck for joey there

[Wolves198921]

Multiple guys in the lineup that can't compete at this level, which is why it's a blowout. I'm sure Price will play a similar lineup tomorrow and sit Votto, Cozart, and Barnhart, I mean bench the good players or trade them is what they do.

[ochoa30]

Yeah but that's not the reality of baseball or any professional sport. A wild rookie is not going to get that call for strike 3 against Yadier Molina. It's not fair, but it's reality.

Not if we bring on the robots! Starting to come around to that. Some of these umps are just plain bad and inconsistent.

[Tom Servo]

Let it fly again, BobSteve

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[50YrRedsFan]

Good AB for Alcantara..10 pitches. Reds hitters need to do that a lot more. If the Reds offense could muster more than 3 hits in six innings, maybe there wouldn't be so much emphasis on how bad Stephenson is at throwing strikes.

[Tracy Jones]

Not if we bring on the robots! Starting to come around to that. Some of these umps are just plain bad and inconsistent.

I'm mixed on that. Yeah I want the correct calls, but I like humans and their faults being involved as well

[OnBaseMachine]

Missing a mile high again. Yet, no visit from the pitching coach?

[Wonderful Monds]

You call this "good vibes from the rotation" Price? lol

[membengal]

Sends mental thought to Stephenson:

"Stop flying open on your delivery"


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[Tracy Jones]

Can we bring Arroyo back in?

[Raisor]

So the Reds are going to boot Bronson from the rotation?

Nearly everyone thinks Reed and Stephenson should be in AAA. Davis wasn't very good in his start. Romano has pitched 1 game in AAA, and they'll probably be service time delays anyway. Adleman isn't any good. Feldman isn't any good.

Exactly who is going to replace Bronson?

[reds44]

So the Reds are going to boot Bronson from the rotation?

Nearly everyone thinks Reed and Stephenson should be in AAA. Davis wasn't very good in his start. Romano has pitched 1 game in AAA, and they'll probably be service time delays anyway. Adleman isn't any good. Feldman isn't any good.

Exactly who is going to replace Bronson?

It should be Reed, IMO.

[Tracy Jones]

So the Reds are going to boot Bronson from the rotation?

Nearly everyone thinks Reed and Stephenson should be in AAA. Davis wasn't very good in his start. Romano has pitched 1 game in AAA, and they'll probably be service time delays anyway. Adleman isn't any good. Feldman isn't any good.

Exactly who is going to replace Bronson?

I think Reed will get another shot

[OnBaseMachine]

How do you consistently miss this badly with your fastball? It's not even close.

[Tracy Jones]

Awful

[reds44]

42 pitches, 17 strikes


weeeeeeeee

[Tadasimha]

This is why i thought Price only used Lorenzen for one inning last night, to have for long relief after goes out aftwr four innings.

[Wonderful Monds]

mmm boy this is rough

[reds44]

This is why i thought Price only used Lorenzen for one inning last night, to have for long relief after goes out aftwr four innings.

Lorenzen and Iglesias should come nowhere near this game. Let them rest for games the reds might actually win.

[statmanwvu]

I'm still curious why no mound visit. Finally. Should have happened earlier. see if it does any good.

[reds44]

I'm still curious why no mound visit. Finally. Should have happened earlier. see if it does any good.

Update: next two pitches were balls

[Wonderful Monds]

Why Peralta and not Reed is beyond me. Reed needs work.

- - - Updated - - -

And Bob Steve finally walks one in.

[Knightro28]

Mercy

[OnBaseMachine]

This is sad. Stephenson belongs in Louisville after this.

[Tracy Jones]

Good lord

[ochoa30]

Well have fun in triple a Robert. Maybe we'll see you again later this year. Don't see any way he stays with the team after this.

[zrt123]

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