2017 NFL Draft Thread

[WVRed]

Under 4 hours from the draft.

I think the Browns will panic and settle on Trubisky in fear of another team taking him then trying to get best player available at 12 (or trade down to stockpile more "assets").

Lapham also has the Bengals trying to move back but if they stay put the pick is John Ross. Having a burner next to AJ would be nice, and I'm not sold on Barnett as a fit. Pass rush can be addressed later.

[JaxRed]

I think Brownies still take Garrett and trade with Titans for Trubisky.

[WVRed]

I think Brownies still take Garrett and trade with Titans for Trubisky.

That would make more sense, but McShay has basically said they are waffling right now. I think they want him but are afraid of SF, Chicago or even Jacksonville (if they pull the plug on Bortles) getting him first. Even if it means letting go of Myles Garrett.

[WrongVerb]

That would be Brownsian foolish.

Eagles and/or Redskins want to move up to get Fournette and/or McCaffrey. Might be other teams in that mix as well. I think the Bengals end up trading back and picking up a second round pick. I also think we'll be surprised and AJM will go to the Texans for #25 or Browns for #33 (if they miss out on MT).

[WVRed]

That would be Brownsian foolish.

Eagles and/or Redskins want to move up to get Fournette and/or McCaffrey. Might be other teams in that mix as well. I think the Bengals end up trading back and picking up a second round pick. I also think we'll be surprised and AJM will go to the Texans for #25 or Browns for #33 (if they miss out on MT).

If Mahomes goes to Arizona, I'd love to see the Texans go after AJ. Don't think it happens though.

[RedEye]

I can't imagine McCarron is worth a #1 pick. I would welcome being wrong about that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Latest reports have multiple sources saying the Browns will take Garrett at #1

[WrongVerb]

In reasonable order, my picks would be:

Allen
Thomas
Barnett
Trade down
Charlton
Fournette
Cook
Ross
Robinson

[WVRed]

Latest reports have multiple sources saying the Browns will take Garrett at #1

So much for that prediction.

[WVRed]

In reasonable order, my picks would be:

Allen
Thomas
Barnett
Trade down
Charlton
Fournette
Cook
Ross
Robinson

I'm thinking trade back first. Thomas will most likely be off the board. Allen may or may not be, same with Fournette.

[WrongVerb]

Another left field prediction: if he's there in the fourth round, the Bengals will select Sydney Jones. They can stash him on PUP for a year and it'll be like having a first round pick in 2018 if he comes back all the way.

[WVRed]

Another left field prediction: if he's there in the fourth round, the Bengals will select Sydney Jones. They can stash him on PUP for a year and it'll be like having a first round pick in 2018 if he comes back all the way.

I could see the same with Jake Butt.

[Reds Fanatic]

1st trade already as the Bears move up to the 2nd pick

[WVRed]

Bears trade up for Solomon Thomas.


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[WVRed]

Randy Moss? Looks like ESPN is replacing all the talent they let go wisely. [/sarcasm]

[WVRed]

And it's Trubisky. I really need to stop watching ESPN.


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[Reds Fanatic]

Wow. I am shocked. Trade up for Trubisky. The Bears are the Bears

[Tom Servo]

What are the Bears doing lol

[Reds Fanatic]

What a move for the 49ers they get all those extra picks and can still take the player they were going to take anyway

[WVRed]

Wow. I am shocked. Trade up for Trubisky. The Bears are the Bears

San Fran is looking to move back more supposedly. They didn't really have a choice, but definitely a reach. Not surprising though.

[Reds Fanatic]

The 49ers go ahead and take the player the Bears should have Solomon Thomas

[WVRed]

The 49ers go ahead and take the player the Bears should have Solomon Thomas

And they did.

Jacksonville could be either Jonathan Allen or Leonard Fournette.

Edit: And it's Fournette.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow Corey Davis goes #5 to Tennessee

[Reds Fanatic]

The good news for the Bengals is some of these players being drafted earlier then expected means there will be some really good choices left at 9 that they may have thought would be gone

[WVRed]

The good news for the Bengals is some of these players being drafted earlier then expected means there will be some really good choices left at 9 that they may have thought would be gone

Jonathan Allen is looking like a real possibility if he makes it to 9. Trubisky and Davis going early really helps.

I think Jets go Lattimore, Chargers go Adams/Hooker, and the Panthers go McCaffrey.

Edit: Looks like Jamal Adams to the Jets.

[WVRed]

Mike Williams to the Chargers


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[Reds Fanatic]

Mike Williams another WR.

[Reds Fanatic]

If the Panthers go RB as expected though with this draft who knows the Bengals are setup for Allen or maybe O.J. Howard

[KoryMac5]

Dream scenario setting up for the Bengals....Hooker Allen Howard Ross Lattimore all on the board

[Redhook]

If the Panthers go RB as expected though with this draft who knows the Bengals are setup for Allen or maybe O.J. Howard

Don't want either. Hope they trade down.

And, I hope they trade AJM soon too. Try to get 2 more picks in the top 50

[Reds Fanatic]

There is McCaffrey to Carolina

[WVRed]

McCaffrey to the Panthers. Bengals are up


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[Reds Fanatic]

I would go Allen here. Though Howard is tempting too. I actually hope the rumors of Ross are not true here. There is too much better talent they could take here

[Redhook]

Please please please trade down

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals pick is in

[WVRed]

It's Ross


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[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals take John Ross. I can't believe they passed on defense there

[Redhook]

Good. I wish they could've traded down, but I'm happy with Ross. They desperately needed a weapon on offense

[Joseph]

Missed out on the better player. Got a good one though.

[WVRed]

KC trades up


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[Redhook]

Bengals take John Ross. I can't believe they passed on defense there

The offense was the problem last year. They need to score more.

[Reds Fanatic]

Profile on Ross I just hope his health holds up:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/john-ross?id=2558010

[KoryMac5]

Steve Smith said it all, you will now need two good corners to cover Ross and Green.

[WVRed]

Missed out on the better player. Got a good one though.

I don't know if I agree.

I wanted Allen, but Alabama players don't exactly have a great track record in the NFL, same with Foster.

Hooker has high upside but could be a major bust as well.

Barnett doesn't fit the prototype for a Bengals DE either.

[Redhook]

Lap is right again

[WVRed]

Mahomes to KC.


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[WVRed]

Now it's DeShaun Watson watch.


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[Reds Fanatic]

This has been a wild first round. You can pretty much throw all the mock drafts out. Many players going way above where they were projected

[KoryMac5]

I think Allen's medicals were a concern, and also his size and speed combination for playing on the edge. However I would have run to the podium with Allen's card in my hand.

[Reds Fanatic]

I think Allen's medicals were a concern, and also his size and speed combination for playing on the edge. However I would have run to the podium with Allen's card in my hand.

Hopefully Allen does not end up in the Bengals division

[WVRed]

If the Bengals end up with John Ross and Joe Mixon, Andy Dalton will be a happy camper.

Paul Guenther, not so much.


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[WVRed]

Saints take Lattimore.


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[Slyder]

More OFFENSE needs to go off the board. I want Oakland to be in a position to take BPA defense.

[Slyder]

What are the Bears doing lol

What did they give up?

[Joseph]

More OFFENSE needs to go off the board. I want Oakland to be in a position to take BPA defense.

Gonna cheer for Vegas in a couple years? The city of Oakland is part of the mystique in my mind.

[WVRed]

What did they give up?

Third and fourth this year plus a third next year.

Hoping Watson goes off the board soon to drive up the price for McCarron.

Edit: Nevermind, Houston trades up.

[Reds Fanatic]

What did they give up?

3rd and 4th round picks this year and a 3rd next year

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Houston trades with Cleveland for the 12th pick

[Slyder]

Third and fourth this year plus a third next year.

Hoping Watson goes off the board soon to drive up the price for McCarron.

Thats not bad if you think Trubinski is the man and you get your best player available. The vast majority of teams that win SBs are guys they are drafted or named Peyton/Drew.

[Reds Fanatic]

Third and fourth this year plus a third next year.

Hoping Watson goes off the board soon to drive up the price for McCarron.

Edit: Nevermind, Houston trades up.

Yes if Watson goes here it would be a perfect time to talk to Cleveland about a McCarron trade

[Slyder]

3rd and 4th round picks this year and a 3rd next year

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Houston trades with Cleveland for the 12th pick

What the #### is Cleveland thinking???

[WVRed]

Chicago: Watch us blow the draft

Cleveland: Hold my beer, watch this.


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[KronoRed]

The Bears are out to become the next Browns.

[Slyder]

Yes if Watson goes here it would be a perfect time to talk to Cleveland about a McCarron trade

They should laugh and hang up.

[Reds Fanatic]

There are some rumors that the Browns are trying to pull off a Kirk Cousins trade tonight

[Slyder]

There are some rumors that the Browns are trying to pull off a Kirk Cousins trade tonight

That would be a very Cleveland Browns thing to do.

[WVRed]

They should laugh and hang up.

All of the QBs are off the board. Nobody else is worth a first round pick. AJ has experience playing and Hue is familiar with him. I'd make the Browns pay out the you know what for him though.

[Reds Fanatic]

I am not sure what the Browns got in that trade yet but they moved from 12 to 25 in this round with that trade

[Slyder]

Chicago: Watch us blow the draft

Cleveland: Hold my beer, watch this.


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I can't fault Chicago throwing a couple mid round picks to make sure you get who you feel is "The guy". Its not like they gave up future 1st and a 2nd this year.

[WVRed]

I am not sure what the Browns got in that trade yet but they moved from 12 to 25 in this round with that trade

First rounder next year I believe.

[Slyder]

I am not sure what the Browns got in that trade yet but they moved from 12 to 25 in this round with that trade

Early report is a first next year.

[WVRed]

I can't fault Chicago throwing a couple mid round picks to make sure you get who you feel is "The guy". Its not like they gave up future 1st and a 2nd this year.

Cleveland playing the role of the Sixers with a QB staring them in the face though is what's worse.

[Slyder]

Anyone else getting flash backs to 2011 draft with all these "questionable" Qbs going early?

[Reds Fanatic]

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0649422497770380003-4

[WVRed]

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0649422497770380003-4

Considering KC and Hou traded up right after I wonder if they were asleep at the wheel. Not sure I'd want to move back that far though.

[Reds Fanatic]

Considering KC and Hou traded up right after I wonder if they were asleep at the wheel. Not sure I'd want to move back that far though.

Could be those teams did not contact the Bengals as they were not worried about them taking a QB

[WVRed]

Could be those teams did not contact the Bengals as they were not worried about them taking a QB

It's one pick difference though. If you are worried Buffalo is going to take one, you go with Cincinnati first.

[Slyder]

with the price to move up 10+ places. Oakland ought to be aggressive. Its a buyers market right now.

[WVRed]

Derek Barnett over Jonathan Allen.


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[Reds Fanatic]

Barnett to the Eagles

[Slyder]

It's one pick difference though. If you are worried Buffalo is going to take one, you go with Cincinnati first.

Did those teams really do much for themselves moving back 15 picks even if the firsts end up being middle of the road?

[WVRed]

Did those teams really do much for themselves moving back 15 picks even if the firsts end up being middle of the road?

Buffalo could make out because KC is the type of team that could have a down year and be out a pick. Especially in their conference.

Houston even with Watson is the best team in a crap conference. It'll likely be a lower pick next season than what they had this year. Hence the "Process" reference.

[WrongVerb]

Did those teams really do much for themselves moving back 15 picks even if the firsts end up being middle of the road?

I don't see much difference between #5 and #50 in this draft.

[WVRed]

Hooker to the Colts


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[Reds Fanatic]

Hooker goes to the Colts

[RedEye]

Just in case anyone missed this:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000800919/article/john-ross-bonds-with-bengals-lewis-would-love-to-play-for-him


A little hometown history goes a long way with John Ross.

It's one foundation for his close friendship with Tampa Bay Buccaneers WR DeSean Jackson: both grew up in Long Beach, Calif. He's close with two fellow draft prospects, Jeremy McNichols of Boise State and JuJu Smith-Schuster of USC, for the same reason.

So it should come as no surprise that Ross had a memorable meeting with Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, who has a little Long Beach history of his own.

"I would love to play for him," Ross said. "I liked all the coaches I met through this process, but I had a longer talk with coach Lewis than probably anyone else, just getting a feel for the way he goes about things."


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[WVRed]

Marlon Humphrey to the Ravens.


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[Reds Fanatic]

There goes Allen to the Redskins

[Slyder]

Someone fishes to move up for Foster at this point?

[WVRed]

OJ Howard AND Corey Davis?


Never mind, Adoree Jackson.

[RedTeamGo!]

Hahaha Cleveland

[WVRed]

Hahaha Cleveland

?

[Slyder]

?

Had Watson in their lap and traded back to 28.

[RedEye]

Had Watson in their lap and traded back to 28.

Apparently they didn't want Watson. We'll see if they get Cousins.

[WVRed]

Had Watson in their lap and traded back to 28.

I thought they did something else stupid.

ESPN is pimping Alabama right now.

[Stray]

Love the Ross pick. He has the kinda speed opposing DCs will need to gameplan around.

[WVRed]

OJ Howard to TB.


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[Reds Fanatic]

Good pick for the Buccaneers getting Howard at 19

[RedEye]

So now that we know it is Ross, who are you hoping for in the 2nd? LB? OT? DE? RB? Whatever elite talent drops?

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Bolles -> Broncos at #20

[Kingspoint]

Had Watson in their lap and traded back to 28.

Smartest thing they could have done. Watson is useless.

[Slyder]

Smartest thing they could have done. Watson is useless.

They got a 3rd this year nad a first next year from a team that has the defense to be super bowl champs if they had ANYTHING from their Qbs last year.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow Conley goes to the Raiders

[Reds Fanatic]

Peppers to the Browns

[Slyder]

Cleveland will do things only Cleveland will understand.

[RedEye]

Falcons flip with Seahawks, trade up to take... Takkarist McKinley

[Reds Fanatic]

Browns have traded back into the 1st round with the Packers giving up the first pick of the 2nd round and another pick

[Slyder]

Browns have traded back into the 1st round with the Packers giving up the first pick of the 2nd round and another pick

You have to think Kizer or Peterson (Pitt QB) maybe and get that 5th year option?

[RedTeamGo!]

You have to think Kizer or Peterson (Pitt QB) maybe and get that 5th year option?

Nah, it's the browns so they draft a 20 year old TE that can't block.

Hilarious.

[Slyder]

I like Njoku pick, I was really impressed with him against WVU, but the question remains who's going to be throwing the ball in Cleveland?

[Reds Fanatic]

I like Njoku pick, I was really impressed with him against WVU, but the question remains who's going to be throwing the ball in Cleveland?

Next year is supposed to be a strong QB class coming out along with some QBs going free agent. If they don't pull off a trade maybe they ride out one more year with the mess they have as they have a load of picks early in next years draft too

[Reds Fanatic]

T.J. Watt to the Steelers

[Slyder]

Welp looks like SF traded up. Any guesses on who? I'm done with trying to guess.

[Reds Fanatic]

There must be some serious medical concerns with Rueben Foster he is about to slip out of the first round

[Reds Fanatic]

There goes Foster to the 49ers

[Reds Fanatic]

If Foster's health holds up the 49ers may have had a great 1st round with Thomas and Foster

[RedTeamGo!]

That Peppers is pick was just so bad

[Ohayou]

Loved the Giants pick. Their receiving corps looks scary good now with the additions of Marshall and Engram.

[ScotlandRed]

If Foster's health holds up the 49ers may have had a great 1st round with Thomas and Foster

Thought that myself. He surely would have went higher if not for injury and off field issues.

[WVRed]

Next year is supposed to be a strong QB class coming out along with some QBs going free agent. If they don't pull off a trade maybe they ride out one more year with the mess they have as they have a load of picks early in next years draft too

"Trust the Process"

[Slyder]

"Trust the Process"

That would be easy to do if it wasn't the Browns we were talking about here.

[Kingspoint]

Chicago: Watch us blow the draft

Cleveland: Hold my beer, watch this.


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Agree about the Bears, but I love what the Brows did...acquire quality picks while avoiding these terrible Quarterbacks. For once, the Browns didn't panic. Their draft matches their excellent off-season where they put together one of the league's best O-Lines. A remarkable task after losing Mack last season. Looks like Hue Jackson is turning out to be a miracle worker...convincing the Owner to let football people make football decisions.

[Kingspoint]

What the #### is Cleveland thinking???

To not panic, take the best players, build a dominant Offensive Line and a dominant Defense, and then wait until next season to draft a Quarterback that actually has potential. Watson won't even beat out Savage next season.

[RichRed]

I like the Skins' pick of Jonathan Allen. Shoulder issues aside, it's hard to pass up on a talent like that when it falls into your lap at #17. Plus a bit of a feel-good story with the Northern Virginia kid coming home angle.

[Kingspoint]

I am not sure what the Browns got in that trade yet but they moved from 12 to 25 in this round with that trade

They now own Houston"s, a team who will start Tom Savage next year in a Division they should finish last in, 1st and 2nd Rd picks in 2018.

[Kingspoint]

Buffalo could make out because KC is the type of team that could have a down year and be out a pick. Especially in their conference.

Houston even with Watson is the best team in a crap conference. It'll likely be a lower pick next season than what they had this year. Hence the "Process" reference.

Houston is the worst team in their own Division, not the best team in the Conference.

[Kingspoint]

Hooker goes to the Colts

Like Ross, that"s a great pick if he holds up medically. It's different than Foster, who is said to need another shoulder surgery after he recovers from this one.

[Kingspoint]

Love the Ross pick. He has the kinda speed opposing DCs will need to gameplan around.

They have needed that speed since they drafted Green. It opens up so much room over the middle of the field and underneath on Ross' side.

[WVRed]

Houston is the worst team in their own Division, not the best team in the Conference.

How? They won the division last year just based on defense alone. Tennessee and Jacksonville are still bottom feeders and Indianapolis hasn't done anything to dramatically improve their team.

Houston needs offense. If they get anything out of Savage or Watson next season they'll win the division again and turn the Browns pick into one in the 20s, a far cry from having number 12.

[Kingspoint]

They got a 3rd this year nad a first next year from a team that has the defense to be super bowl champs if they had ANYTHING from their Qbs last year.

Their only hope next year at QB is Tom Savage. Colts and Titans will both sweep them while JAX wil
split. 1-5 in their own Division.

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So now that we know it is Ross, who are you hoping for in the 2nd? LB? OT? DE? RB? Whatever elite talent drops?

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Bolles -> Broncos at #20

Cam Robinson.

[WrongVerb]

Agree about the Bears, but I love what the Brows did...acquire quality picks while avoiding these terrible Quarterbacks. For once, the Browns didn't panic. Their draft matches their excellent off-season where they put together one of the league's best O-Lines. A remarkable task after losing Mack last season. Looks like Hue Jackson is turning out to be a miracle worker...convincing the Owner to let football people make football decisions.

You mean a homeless guy isn't the best person to have advising you on whether to draft a player like Johnny Manziel? Go figure.

Actually the Browns decision making for the past year and a half or so has me worried. They may actually be coming out of their doldrums of idiocy and showing some respectability.

[Kingspoint]

How? They won the division last year just based on defense alone. Tennessee and Jacksonville are still bottom feeders and Indianapolis hasn't done anything to dramatically improve their team.

Houston needs offense. If they get anything out of Savage or Watson next season they'll win the division again and turn the Browns pick into one in the 20s, a far cry from having number 12.

You clearly didn't watch any Titans games. Tennessee was the best team in the Division until Mariota got hurt. Mariota has a 30/0 TD to Int ratio in the redzone since he entered the league. The Titans O-Line was ranked #1 in the NFL last season by the only O-Line ranking system that matters, PFF's. Their Defense is rising fast under the ageless one. Rishard Matthews was their #1 WR, who can take a backseat to Corey Davis now. Delani Walker was the most consistent TE last year in the NFL. They got some guy named Murray running the ball.

Luck played hurt last season.

The Texans are an 8-win team, at best.

[WrongVerb]

Their only hope next year at QB is Tom Savage. Colts and Titans will both sweep them while JAX wil
split. 1-5 in their own Division.

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Cam Robinson.

Robinson or Lamp would be excellent at #43.

[Kingspoint]

Falcons flip with Seahawks, trade up to take... Takkarist McKinley

UCLA pumps out great Linebackers.

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Good pick for the Buccaneers getting Howard at 19

What a perfect selection for Winston.

[Kingspoint]

Nah, it's the browns so they draft a 20 year old TE that can't block.

Hilarious.

Who has the highest upside as a Receiver of any of the TE's, including Howard. He can block a little. They already have a dominant O-Line. They don't need their TE to block.

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I like Njoku pick, I was really impressed with him against WVU, but the question remains who's going to be throwing the ball in Cleveland?

They are going to give you a call.

[WVRed]

You mean a homeless guy isn't the best person to have advising you on whether to draft a player like Johnny Manziel? Go figure.

Actually the Browns decision making for the past year and a half or so has me worried. They may actually be coming out of their doldrums of idiocy and showing some respectability.

Or they could be turning into the NFLs version of the 76ers.

[Kingspoint]

There must be some serious medical concerns with Rueben Foster he is about to slip out of the first round

Possibly another shoulder surgery after he recovers from this one...besides the off-field issues. Lynch will tell him how it's going to be if he ever wants to see the field.

[Kingspoint]

Robinson or Lamp would be excellent at #43.

That would be fantastic....or Wormley.

[puca]

Houston needs offense. If they get anything out of Savage or Watson next season they'll win the division again and turn the Browns pick into one in the 20s, a far cry from having number 12.

But they also got the #25 pick this year in the deal. Obviously despite needing a franchise quarterback the Browns didn't like Watson there, so the traded down and picked up another first round pick next year. I personally thought Cleveland worked the draft exceptionally well. They picked up three players in the first round that will help them immediately.

[bucksfan2]

But they also got the #25 pick this year in the deal. Obviously despite needing a franchise quarterback the Browns didn't like Watson there, so the traded down and picked up another first round pick next year. I personally thought Cleveland worked the draft exceptionally well. They picked up three players in the first round that will help them immediately.

Here is my issue with the Browns, especially the Browns over the past 5 years or so. They have constantly managed the draft "well." How many times have you seen them trade out of early picks, pick up more picks, but continuously fail on the football field? Not only do the Browns need a QB, desparetly need a QB, but they are also lacking in top end talent.

I think Garrett is a good pick. Best player in the draft, no problem there. At 12 they could have had a ton of players they passed over in trading out, only to take Peppers with their next pick. Now as an OSU fan I am not a big Peppers fan, but if you put that aside, he is to small to play LB and to slow to play DB. He is a good returner, in the NFL that is pretty much limited to punts, an putting him on offense is a fools errand. Most of his damage on offense at Michigan dealt with goal line TD runs. He was a good college player but I have serious doubts how his skill level will translate to the NFL.

The TE for Miami is good, but raw. I don't see him as much of an impact his first season. So in essence the Browns did get picks and three first round picks, I just don't know how well those were used. I think we get over-enamored at times with teams "winning" the draft by trading down and accumulating more picks, but often times that just doesn't translate to the field.

[Caveat Emperor]

Good pick for the Buccaneers getting Howard at 19

As a Buccaneers fan, I'm thrilled with this pick. Can't believe an elite-level talent like this lasted so long. I think he has a chance to be an absolute elite superstar level TE.

[Reds Fanatic]

As a Buccaneers fan, I'm thrilled with this pick. Can't believe an elite-level talent like this lasted so long. I think he has a chance to be an absolute elite superstar level TE.

Buccaneers pass offense is going to be scary next year. Winston now has Mike Evans, Desean Jackson, Cameron Brate and now Howard. That is a powerhouse lineup of receivers

[puca]

Here is my issue with the Browns, especially the Browns over the past 5 years or so. They have constantly managed the draft "well." How many times have you seen them trade out of early picks, pick up more picks, but continuously fail on the football field? Not only do the Browns need a QB, desparetly need a QB, but they are also lacking in top end talent.

I think Garrett is a good pick. Best player in the draft, no problem there. At 12 they could have had a ton of players they passed over in trading out, only to take Peppers with their next pick. Now as an OSU fan I am not a big Peppers fan, but if you put that aside, he is to small to play LB and to slow to play DB. He is a good returner, in the NFL that is pretty much limited to punts, an putting him on offense is a fools errand. Most of his damage on offense at Michigan dealt with goal line TD runs. He was a good college player but I have serious doubts how his skill level will translate to the NFL.

The TE for Miami is good, but raw. I don't see him as much of an impact his first season. So in essence the Browns did get picks and three first round picks, I just don't know how well those were used. I think we get over-enamored at times with teams "winning" the draft by trading down and accumulating more picks, but often times that just doesn't translate to the field.

I don't think Peppers to too slow to play DB. I don't think he is good enough cover guy to play CB, but I think he'll be a heck of a safety. If he has the instincts he could be a disruptive force. There will be a learning curve, but he is a better athlete than you are giving him credit for. Worst case scenario is he will be a dynamic return man from day 1.

[WVRed]

Here is my issue with the Browns, especially the Browns over the past 5 years or so. They have constantly managed the draft "well." How many times have you seen them trade out of early picks, pick up more picks, but continuously fail on the football field? Not only do the Browns need a QB, desparetly need a QB, but they are also lacking in top end talent.

I think Garrett is a good pick. Best player in the draft, no problem there. At 12 they could have had a ton of players they passed over in trading out, only to take Peppers with their next pick. Now as an OSU fan I am not a big Peppers fan, but if you put that aside, he is to small to play LB and to slow to play DB. He is a good returner, in the NFL that is pretty much limited to punts, an putting him on offense is a fools errand. Most of his damage on offense at Michigan dealt with goal line TD runs. He was a good college player but I have serious doubts how his skill level will translate to the NFL.

The TE for Miami is good, but raw. I don't see him as much of an impact his first season. So in essence the Browns did get picks and three first round picks, I just don't know how well those were used. I think we get over-enamored at times with teams "winning" the draft by trading down and accumulating more picks, but often times that just doesn't translate to the field.

Pretty much sums up my feelings on the Browns.

I think a lot of it is so many people want these analytic types to succeed. Whether it's the Sixers, Oakland As in the 90s-2000s, or the Browns now. You might win on draft day but sometime those picks have to produce.

As for Peppers, Cleveland may be the best fit for him in that Gregg Williams has done well with similar players in the past. I would have taken Kizer at 25 and maybe traded up for Peppers instead of Njoku.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don't like Peppers, but I think he ran a 4.4-40 at the combine

[JaxRed]

Thinking down here in NE Florida is Lamp goes no further than 35.

[Reds Fanatic]

Thinking down here in NE Florida is Lamp goes no further than 35.

Jacksonville trades up one spot with Seattle probably for Lamp

[Reds Fanatic]

Cam Robinson to the Jaguars

[RiverRat13]

I don't think Peppers to too slow to play DB. I don't think he is good enough cover guy to play CB, but I think he'll be a heck of a safety. If he has the instincts he could be a disruptive force. There will be a learning curve, but he is a better athlete than you are giving him credit for. Worst case scenario is he will be a dynamic return man from day 1.

Peppers can't cover. Crazy to take a safety in the first round who can't cover, especially in a pass happy league.

[Reds Fanatic]

There goes Lamp to the Chargers

[Reds Fanatic]

All the RBs should be there for this Bengals pick: Cook, Mixon, Kamara. My guess is it is going to be Mixon

[Reds Fanatic]

Curtis Samuel to the Panthers

[oregonred]

Samuel is a stud. Perfect fit for today's NFL

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow Bengals traded the pick to the Vikings

[RiverRat13]

Looks like the Bengals traded down.

[oregonred]

Bengals traded. Picked up #48 and a 4th. Interesting

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals move down 7 spots and get an extra 4th round pick tomorrow. So that will make 12 overall picks for the Bengals this year

[Reds Fanatic]

There goes one of the RBs Cook to the Vikings

[Reds Fanatic]

That gives the Bengals 3 picks in the 4th round tomorrow

[JaxRed]

Cam Robinson to the Jaguars

Jags traded for Miami LG Brandon Albert. He's 32, didn't report for voluntary team meetings, announced he wanted to negotiate his contract.

During post-pick press conference said Robinson is going to compete at LT

1) Said he is not sending a message
But then said
2 They will play the guy who is most committed
3. They are not re-doing Albert's contract.

Sure glad he's not sending a message.

[RiverRat13]

I like the Bengals picking up an extra 4th but a little surprised because Marvin said there's not room on the roster for 11 rookies. I hope it means that the Bengals will package those 6th and 7th rounders and turn them into more 4th and 5th round picks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals are up. I would guess this is Mixon

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There it is Joe Mixon

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/joe-mixon?id=2557976

[RedTeamGo!]

Such a Bengals pick. Total scumbag.

[Playadlc]

Ugh

[KoryMac5]

Would have liked defense there...Hill's days are obviously numbered

[Reds Fanatic]

That pick may make sense from a football standpoint but that is a real black eye for the franchise. It is going to be a continuing distraction they have to deal with.

[WrongVerb]

That pick may make sense from a football standpoint but that is a real black eye for the franchise. It is going to be a continuing distraction they have to deal with.

No pun intended?

I'll judge the guy going forward. He seems to have atoned for past mistakes.

[Ohayou]

That pick may make sense from a football standpoint but that is a real black eye for the franchise.

:lol:

[paintmered]

No pun intended?

I'll judge the guy going forward. He seems to have atoned for past mistakes.

It could be okay if he stays clean over his entire career. The first time he gets in trouble as a Bengal though, it's open season on the franchise. Or maybe the Bengals want to have no pretense that professional football players are role models...

[RedTeamGo!]

NFL:

Player protests national anthem: blacklisted

Player retaliates against a 90 lb girl pushing him for defending her homosexual friend after player calls him "***got" by viciously striking her in the face and putting her in the hospital: join us!

[Reds Fanatic]

It could be okay if he stays clean over his entire career. The first time he gets in trouble as a Bengal though, it's open season on the franchise. Or maybe the Bengals want to have no pretense that professional football players are role models...

This is part of Mike Brown's belief that he always want to give everyone a second chance. At times it works out for them but they get burned by that approach too. That video is going to be shown again and again all year and it is going to be ugly if this kid has any trouble at all

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Kizer to the Browns. Soon to be another Browns QB bust

[Reds Fanatic]

That is good pick for the Steelers. Smith-Schuster the WR from USC

[Slyder]

This is part of Mike Brown's belief that he always want to give everyone a second chance. At times it works out for them but they get burned by that approach too. That video is going to be shown again and again all year and it is going to be ugly if this kid has any trouble at all

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Kizer to the Browns. Soon to be another Browns QB bust

If you believe he is athe guy why not take him at 25 and get the fifth year option? Peppers is this years "Great College Player, Horrible NFL guy".

[WVRed]

Dan Feeney to the Bengals in the third?

[Reds Fanatic]

There goes Feeney to the Chargers. Last 2 lineman would have been good picks for the Bengals

[WVRed]

And Feeney goes to the Chargers


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[WrongVerb]

Dan Feeney to the Bengals in the third?

Thinking Patriots take him. Willis fits nicely for the Bengals there.

[WrongVerb]

Too late

[Playadlc]

They picked fast.

[WVRed]

Jordan Willis


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[Reds Fanatic]

Willis is the pick. That is a good pick

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jordan-willis?id=2557884

[Playadlc]

Willis is a great pick. Best pick so far.

[WrongVerb]

And I call it (2 whole picks ahead). Nice DE for the Bengals. Fits their mold.

[Playadlc]

From a pure value standpoint the Bengals crushed today.

NFL network gushing over this pick.

[RedTeamGo!]

Kareem Hunt to the chiefs! Toledo REPresenttttt

[Ohayou]

Raiders landed two of the biggest freaks in the draft today - Obi Melifonwu and Eddie Vanderdoes. If those two pan out...man, that defense will be tough as nails.

New Orleans and Carolina are also both putting together really solid drafts.

[GAC]

Here is my issue with the Browns, especially the Browns over the past 5 years or so. They have constantly managed the draft "well." How many times have you seen them trade out of early picks, pick up more picks, but continuously fail on the football field? Not only do the Browns need a QB, desparetly need a QB, but they are also lacking in top end talent.

I think Garrett is a good pick. Best player in the draft, no problem there. At 12 they could have had a ton of players they passed over in trading out, only to take Peppers with their next pick. Now as an OSU fan I am not a big Peppers fan, but if you put that aside, he is to small to play LB and to slow to play DB. He is a good returner, in the NFL that is pretty much limited to punts, an putting him on offense is a fools errand. Most of his damage on offense at Michigan dealt with goal line TD runs. He was a good college player but I have serious doubts how his skill level will translate to the NFL.

The TE for Miami is good, but raw. I don't see him as much of an impact his first season. So in essence the Browns did get picks and three first round picks, I just don't know how well those were used. I think we get over-enamored at times with teams "winning" the draft by trading down and accumulating more picks, but often times that just doesn't translate to the field.

I like, and agree with, your assessment on "my" Browns over the last several years. Pretty spot on. But let me add this .....

They had two "avenues" in which to address and improve huge areas of need - free agency and the draft. The Browns had the highest cap space in the NFL ($107M). Over the last couple of years - and especially last year - while they had numerous issues, two of the most glaring (and embarrassing) was the offensive line and defense (run/pass rush). Yeah, we need a QB. But you could put Tom Brady (in his prime) behind this offensive line, and he would have gotten murdered! This is an offensive line that allowed a franchise record 62 sacks, and probably led the NFL in concussion protocol for QBs (LOL).

You can go out and hire the best driver in NASCAR, but if the car you built is a piece of ****, then it means very little. You have to assemble those pieces first IMO. So management's approach was very targeted, on the first day of free agency, in addressing that O-line. They spent more then $100M on the first day of free agency, which included Guard Kevin Zeitler, Center J.C. Tretter, and Guard Joel Bitonio to a contract extension. IMO, they took huge steps to improving this O-line with free agency.

And they're utilizing the draft ([primarily) to improve the defense. I'm glad they took Garrett. I also like the drafting of DT Larry Ogunjobi out of Charlotte. Peppers? I think Michigan misused Peppers playing him as a hybrid linebacker/safety near the line of scrimmage. I think he can flourish as a safety in the NFL, but we'll see on that one (LOL). I personally wish the Browns had kept their #12 pick and took OSU Safety Malik Hooker. But their "maneuvering" gained them another 1st round pick next year.

But I'd really like to see Cody Kessler be given a legitimate shot behind an improved O-line, and some other pieces added. The Browns have not had any luck at all when drafting a QB in the 1st round (LOL). But I think getting QB DeShone Kizer in the 2nd Round was a steal. I think he has the size and physical skill set, his issues are correctable, but he probably would have benefited more by staying in school another year IMO.

But overall, I've liked what I've seen from the Browns so far.

[Slyder]

Raiders landed two of the biggest freaks in the draft today - Obi Melifonwu and Eddie Vanderdoes. If those two pan out...man, that defense will be tough as nails.

New Orleans and Carolina are also both putting together really solid drafts.

Its still about the play calling. If Norton is still "in charge" I worry we'll ever see the pieces fit.

[puca]

I like, and agree with, your assessment on "my" Browns over the last several years. Pretty spot on. But let me add this .....

They had two "avenues" in which to address and improve huge areas of need - free agency and the draft. The Browns had the highest cap space in the NFL ($107M). Over the last couple of years - and especially last year - while they had numerous issues, two of the most glaring (and embarrassing) was the offensive line and defense (run/pass rush). Yeah, we need a QB. But you could put Tom Brady (in his prime) behind this offensive line, and he would have gotten murdered! This is an offensive line that allowed a franchise record 62 sacks, and probably led the NFL in concussion protocol for QBs (LOL).

You can go out and hire the best driver in NASCAR, but if the car you built is a piece of ****, then it means very little. You have to assemble those pieces first IMO. So management's approach was very targeted, on the first day of free agency, in addressing that O-line. They spent more then $100M on the first day of free agency, which included Guard Kevin Zeitler, Center J.C. Tretter, and Guard Joel Bitonio to a contract extension. IMO, they took huge steps to improving this O-line with free agency.

And they're utilizing the draft ([primarily) to improve the defense. I'm glad they took Garrett. I also like the drafting of DT Larry Ogunjobi out of Charlotte. Peppers? I think Michigan misused Peppers playing him as a hybrid linebacker/safety near the line of scrimmage. I think he can flourish as a safety in the NFL, but we'll see on that one (LOL). I personally wish the Browns had kept their #12 pick and took OSU Safety Malik Hooker. But their "maneuvering" gained them another 1st round pick next year.

But I'd really like to see Cody Kessler be given a legitimate shot behind an improved O-line, and some other pieces added. The Browns have not had any luck at all when drafting a QB in the 1st round (LOL). But I think getting QB DeShone Kizer in the 2nd Round was a steal. I think he has the size and physical skill set, his issues are correctable, but he probably would have benefited more by staying in school another year IMO.

But overall, I've liked what I've seen from the Browns so far.

I also like what the Browns have done.

Certainly time will tell how it works out, but they got plenty of immediate help as well as a lot of players with tons of upside.

I personally like the pick of Peppers. I agree with your assertion that Michigan misused him. Peppers has all the physical tools to be a force at safety. I even think he is a better fit for the Browns than Hooker would have been (ducks from Buckeye fans arrows). Peppers will step in and make an immediate impact in the return game. Where as Hooker will thrive in a system where he is allowed to continue to play a deep 'center-field' and just react when the ball is in the air, I think the jury is still out on his run-support and man-to-man coverage skills. With his experience at linebacker and corner back Peppers is probably further along in those areas. I also think Peppers has demonstrated leadership qualities that was never asked of Malik, something else that is pretty important for a safety in the NFL. I actually loved the pick for the Browns.

The Kinsler pick was a great risk. Time will tell whether he develops or not, but scouts have always liked his physical skills. Besides, even with improvement they are likely to finish with a decent draft pick next year and have a lot of picks in hand. The quarterback depth in next year's draft is likely to be better and the Browns will be in good position to trade up if need be.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals are up with their first of 3 picks in the 4th round

Carl Lawson DE AUB

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/carl-lawson?id=2557901

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/858360211295305729/photo/1

[RiverRat13]

I personally like the pick of Peppers. I agree with your assertion that Michigan misused him. Peppers has all the physical tools to be a force at safety. I even think he is a better fit for the Browns than Hooker would have been (ducks from Buckeye fans arrows). Peppers will step in and make an immediate impact in the return game. Where as Hooker will thrive in a system where he is allowed to continue to play a deep 'center-field' and just react when the ball is in the air, I think the jury is still out on his run-support and man-to-man coverage skills. With his experience at linebacker and corner back Peppers is probably further along in those areas. I also think Peppers has demonstrated leadership qualities that was never asked of Malik, something else that is pretty important for a safety in the NFL. I actually loved the pick for the Browns.

.

Peppers can't cover. If he could cover, he would have played safety or corner in college. Sure, he has the speed to do it, but he's never proven he can actually cover. And it's still TBD about how well he plays the run. He had a lot of TFL, but those primarily came when he was unblocked due to scheme. I'm guessing Gregg Williams has specific things in mind to do with him to maximize his talents, but he's not in Malik Hooker's class as far as playing a traditional safety role.

I still think he'd be more productive on offense. If he's really going to be worth a first round pick, I would guess it would be the Browns using him on special packages on both sides of the ball and as a full-time return man.

[Slyder]

Is Nick Siragusa any relation to that tub of lard that fell on Gannon's shoulder?

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals next 4th round pick

Josh Malone WR TENN

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/josh-malone?id=2558127

[RedEye]

Seems solid but not sure they need another wideout at this point.


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[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals next 4th round pick

Ryan Glasgow DT MICH

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/ryan-glasgow?id=2557851

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-ryan-glasgow-di-michigan/?utm_content=buffer293ac&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=nfl

[Reds Fanatic]

Interesting I don't know if the Bengals are thinking this way but some teams had discussed possibly trying to switch Glasgow to an OL

[Reds Fanatic]

Pete Prisco‏ @PriscoCBS 39m39 minutes ago

Duke Tobin and Bengals are killing it

[Kingspoint]

Its still about the play calling. If Norton is still "in charge" I worry we'll ever see the pieces fit.

That's how I feel about Zampese/Lewis and the Bengals.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals first pick in the 5th round

Jake Elliott K MEM

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jake-elliott?id=2558172

I am not surprised they picked a kicker but the 5th round seems a little early

[WVRed]

Bengals first pick in the 5th round

Jake Elliott K MEM

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jake-elliott?id=2558172

I am not surprised they picked a kicker but the 5th round seems a little early

Surprised it wasn't Zane Gonzalez.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals 2nd pick of the 5th round

J.J. Dielman C UTAH

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/j.j.-dielman?id=2557993

[Raisor]

For the first time ever a player from the University of West Georgia (Division II powerhouse, and my alma mater) has had a player selected in the NFL draft. DL Dylan Donahue has been selected by the Jets in the 4th round.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals 1st pick of the 6th round

Jordan Evans LB Oklahoma

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jordan-evans?id=2558801

[Reds Fanatic]

For the first time ever a player from the University of West Georgia (Division II powerhouse, and my alma mater) has had a player selected in the NFL draft. DL Dylan Donahue has been selected by the Jets in the 4th round.

They just had a second player Alex Armah a FB go to the Panthers in the 6th round

[Raisor]

They just had a second player Alex Armah a FB go to the Panthers in the 6th round

It's a run on Wolves!!!

[RiverRat13]

The Browns just took Caleb Brantley. Brantley is facing a misdemeanor assault charge for hitting a woman, which allegedly knocked her out and displaced a tooth.

But no video, so I guess no outrage...

[RedTeamGo!]

The Browns just took Caleb Brantley. Brantley is facing a misdemeanor assault charge for hitting a woman, which allegedly knocked her out and displaced a tooth.

But no video, so I guess no outrage...

Nah, they are wrong too.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bengals just traded up to get an earlier pick in the 6th round

And with that pick they take

Brandon Wilson CB HOU

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/brandon-wilson?id=2558786

[WrongVerb]

Bengals just traded up to get an earlier pick in the 6th round

And with that pick they take

Brandon Wilson CB HOU

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/brandon-wilson?id=2558786

Bengals adding lots of speed on both sides off the ball this year.

[GAC]

The Browns just took Caleb Brantley. Brantley is facing a misdemeanor assault charge for hitting a woman, which allegedly knocked her out and displaced a tooth.

But no video, so I guess no outrage...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/04/29/browns-follow-miserable-1-win-season-with-decent-draft/101087712/


Not long after making the pick, Brown said the team isn't committed to Brantley and may release him pending a further investigation.

"This is something that he can't repeat as he moves forward," said Sashi Brown, the team's vice president of football operation. "And more important than that, we communicated to Caleb that this is something that we're still investigating and looking into, and facts may turn up that prevent us from being able to keep him on our roster. We will continue to investigate on our end, and provided that we can get comfortable, keep him on the roster. If we can't, we'll move on."

According to a police report, the victim told police the 6-foot-2, 314-pound Brantley made crude comments toward her during an argument on April 13. She pushed him and he punched her in the face, according to the report.




The Kinsler pick was a great risk. Time will tell whether he develops or not, but scouts have always liked his physical skills. Besides, even with improvement they are likely to finish with a decent draft pick next year and have a lot of picks in hand. The quarterback depth in next year's draft is likely to be better and the Browns will be in good position to trade up if need be.

And the Browns have 5 picks in the first two rounds next year. ;)

[Kingspoint]

Bengals 1st pick of the 6th round

Jordan Evans LB Oklahoma

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jordan-evans?id=2558801

"A+" pick.

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Bengals just traded up to get an earlier pick in the 6th round

And with that pick they take

Brandon Wilson CB HOU

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/brandon-wilson?id=2558786

"A+" pick.