Cincinnati @ San Francisco 5-13-17

[Ron Madden]

Cincinnati Reds @ San Francisco Giants, 4:05 P.M. ET
Reds
2B: Jose Peraza
SS: Arismendy Alcantara
1B: Joey Votto
LF: Adam Duvall
3B: Eugenio Suarez
CF: Scott Schebler
RF: Patrick Kivlehan
C: Devin Mesoraco
SP: Lisalverto Bonilla

Giants
CF: Denard Span
2B: Joe Panik
LF: Brandon Belt
1B: Mike Morse
SS: Brandon Crawford
C: Nick Hundley
3B: Kelby Tomlinson
RF: Justin Ruggiano
SP: Matt Moore

[WrongVerb]

Greetings from AT&T Park

[Ron Madden]

Greetings from AT&T Park

Enjoy yourself and bring home a winner :beerme:

[Wolves198921]

Both teams playing their B lineups thanks to last nights two games for the price of one. I fell a sleep unfortunately, but it's just May. If we had a pitcher I would expect a win but the Giants will get plenty of walks today.

[WrongVerb]

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[Ron Madden]

Reds are supposed to wear special uniforms this weekend in honor of Mothers Day

[Kingspoint]

Reds 10.
Gints 5.

[Ron Madden]

Peraza opens the game with a single to CF

[Kingspoint]

Both teams playing their B lineups thanks to last nights two games for the price of one. I fell a sleep unfortunately, but it's just May. If we had a pitcher I would expect a win but the Giants will get plenty of walks today.

REDS' Pitchers amazingly walked only one batter last night. It was an incredible pitching performance, even though it was against a team with only one player having an OPS greater than .770 (Posey's .990, but it explains why he has only 9 RBI's.)

[Ron Madden]

Alcantara forces Peraza out @ 2nd base.

[Big Klu]

Reds are supposed to wear special uniforms this weekend in honor of Mothers Day

That's not until tomorrow though. Why are they wearing them today?

[Ron Madden]

A hit falls in for Votto.. Runners @ first and second

[NebraskaRed]

Crawford dropping a flyball

[Ron Madden]

That's not until tomorrow though. Why are they wearing them today?

They said MLB wants to honor Mothers and Breast Cancer Awareness all weekend.

[NebraskaRed]

Reds are supposed to wear special uniforms this weekend in honor of Mothers Day

Pepto bismol pink never looks good

[Raisor]

Cranky Marty after his exhausting game last night. I'm surprised he showed up at all.

[Ron Madden]

Try not to do that again Lisa..

[ScotlandRed]

Brandon Belt........ again

[Wolves198921]

Unfortunately the giants already have all the runs they need.

[Tom Servo]

Brandon Belt doesn't care if you're a new Red or not, he's gonna hit a HR off you if you wear a Reds uniform.

[Ron Madden]

Unfortunately the giants already have all the runs they need.

Oh Yee Of Little Faith

[Tom Servo]

c'mon Lisa, you can't walk Michael Morse. He's barely a major league player these days.

[WrongVerb]

I hate being in the opposing park when the opposing team hits a home run. Ugh!

[Raisor]

Unfortunately the giants already have all the runs they need.

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I hate being in the opposing park when the opposing team hits a home run. Ugh!

I bet you brought your Giants hat, just in case



;)

[ScotlandRed]

Laser double by Rocco down the line. Had some really nice AB's since coming back.

[ScotlandRed]

2-0 pitch to Bonilla did not look like a strike

[NebraskaRed]

He walked Lisa

[Ron Madden]

Good Eye Lisa!

[RedsfaninMT]

Not every pitcher can walk Peraza.

[Ron Madden]

Peraza walks Bases loaded for Alcantara

[Wolves198921]

Bases loaded no problem, here comes alcantara to bail out Moore.

[WrongVerb]

Sigh. Pitcher walks two guys and you go up there hacking?

[Red Raindog]

Peraza walks Bases loaded for Alcantara

none can walk Alcantara though

[Jordan]

It's "Bring Your Triple-A Pitcher To Work" day!

Lisa Bonet Ramsey not looking impressive.

EDIT: I'm eating crow. Nice work, Lisa.

[The Operator]

Giants are gonna win 3 out of 4 this series.

Why? Because Baseball. And The Reds were due for a bad streak.

[Redeye fly]

Will Bonilla be asked by someone to throw bp at the Home Run Derby this year? Might be cool.

[Ron Madden]

Just keep us in the game Lisa...

[Tom Servo]

You guys know Bonilla is just depth, right? Cut him some slack.

[Jordan]

Sigh. Pitcher walks two guys and you go up there hacking?

To me, that is on the coaches. How in the world did someone not give Alcantara the take sign after the pitcher & Peraza both walked? Awful baseball. Just dumb.

Then again, maybe the coaches just expect a player will be smarter than that. Now they will know better to think that in Alcantara's case.

[NebraskaRed]

Lisa setting up a "get 2 outs first, then give up one home run per inning" pattern. Let's see how it plays out.

[WrongVerb]

He's not walking people. It's the Bronson approach to pitching.

[ScotlandRed]

Not overly fussed out winning tonights game - would love to obviously. But if Bonilla can give us 7 I'm not really fussed about how many runs he gives up.

First pitch Joey why.

[Jordan]

You guys know Bonilla is just depth, right? Cut him some slack.

EDIT -- this is called Tom Servo being right.

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Lisa setting up a "get 2 outs first, then give up one home run per inning" pattern. Let's see how it plays out.

Reds score 10 runs, I don't see a problem with this approach.

[Ron Madden]

I'd like to see Geno get hot again just to shut Marty and Brantley up

[Jordan]

Couple of bloop singles for the Reds.

[ScotlandRed]

Reds not really hitting the ball hard at all but racking up a few hits.

[Ron Madden]

Schebler drilled that ball but right at'em.

[ScotlandRed]

Are people going to criticise Schebler for coming up hacking like Alcantara or nah?

Also, why is Kivlehan batting ahead of Mesoraco?

[WrongVerb]

Are people going to criticise Schebler for coming up hacking like Alcantara or nah?

Also, why is Kivlehan batting ahead of Mesoraco?

If Duvall and Suarez had walked in front of him, then criticism would be in order. They didn't, so it's not.

[Jordan]

Lisa's fastball sitting at 91-92.

[ScotlandRed]

If Duvall and Suarez had walked in front of him, then criticism would be in order. They didn't, so it's not.

Moore has still struggled with control all season. Swung at 4 pitches in row with guy who struggles with control.

[Jordan]

Are people going to criticise Schebler for coming up hacking like Alcantara or nah?

Also, why is Kivlehan batting ahead of Mesoraco?

Did Schebler hack at the first pitch with the bases loaded after the pitcher had just walked two guys, or nah?

:)

As for Kivlehan batting in front of Mesoraco, there is no logical explanation for that.

[ScotlandRed]

awful 1-0 call to Mesoraco

[Jordan]

awful 1-0 call to Mesoraco

Yep

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Bonilla has more patience at the plate than anyone on this team not named Votto.

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Base knock for Lisa.

[Ron Madden]

WTG Lisa!!!!

[NebraskaRed]

Lisa needs to stick around and be on the bench after these ABs

[Jordan]

Lisa is a OBP machine.

[ScotlandRed]

Man Peraza just seems to make nothing but weak contact

[Jordan]

Alcantara with a quick 0-for-3 on the day so far.

[NebraskaRed]

Moore at 70 pitches in the 4th. After last night, that's especially not good

[Jordan]

Man Peraza just seems to make nothing but weak contact

He's been a big disappointment so far, no question about it. But it's early and he started slow last year too.

[Tony Cloninger]

It is on the coaches to give a take sign to a hitter they know is going to swing freely and often. Many hitters do this. They expect the pitcher to groove one.

[Tom Servo]

Man Peraza just seems to make nothing but weak contact
Welsh pointed out he's really not getting any leg strength right now from his swing.

I'd be more worried if we didn't see him own MLB pitchers for two months last year. I think he'll be fine.

[Redeye fly]

If Duvall and Suarez had walked in front of him, then criticism would be in order. They didn't, so it's not.

I'm not super critical of either one.

Alcantara swung at the first two pitches, but if he lets them go by, he's probably still down 0-2 in the count. Admittedly the first pitch was at the edge of the strike zone so I don't have a problem with him taking either.

Schebler hits the ball with authority, and if he runs into one no one is complaining.

I am a work the count guy and get annoyed with a guy like Peraza who seems to live by, "If it's close to a strike it's close enough to swing at" philosophy. But ultimately these guys all live and die within their own personal strike zone(s). Even Peraza at times has had some wild swings that you yell at scream at until the ball falls in somewhere for a base hit.

The reality is as great as the team swung the bats last week that's how poorly they're swinging them right now seemingly. That's probably part ball park and mostly just baseball.

[ScotlandRed]

Yeah I'm not overly worried, just expected a bit more after the strong finish last season.

[Jordan]

Lisa has settled down. Gets the K for the 1-2-3 frame.

[Ron Madden]

Good job Lisa

[NebraskaRed]

Lisa with 45 pitches after 4 is especially good after last night

[Tom Servo]

Yeah I'm not overly worried, just expected a bit more after the strong finish last season.
Yeah he was tearing the cover off the ball in spring training too so it's a bummer he scuffling so much, I just think there's gotta be patience.

[NebraskaRed]

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[Ron Madden]

Ya gotta like how Lisa goes right after hitters.

[NebraskaRed]

Lisa with 45 pitches after 4 is especially good after last night

Lisa with 50 pitches after 5 is double especially good after last night.

[Raisor]

I've been thinking lately how I wish the Reds had a legit back up at 1b. What do you think about that Jordan?

[reds44]

Seeing Bonilla do this just shows you how overmatched Davis is at this level

[Jordan]

Schebler plays long ball!

[ScotlandRed]

Schebler, always said he should just start swinging a bit more often.

[Ron Madden]

Schebler got all of that one

[Red Raindog]

deep ball by Schebler

[Tom Servo]

Schebler! :jump:

[Jordan]

Schebler got all of that one

He sure did. Destroyed it.

[WrongVerb]

I love being in the opposing team's park when my Reds hit a home run!

[Raisor]

I love being in the opposing team's park when my Reds hit a home run!

Make sure you switch your cap back

[ScotlandRed]

Oh Bonilla that was not good to watch

[NebraskaRed]

Lisa needs braces

I mean bunting lessons

[Jordan]

Mesoraco steals second and then goes to third on the bad throw. Nice.

[Ron Madden]

Marty thinks it's easy to get a bunt down.

[Red Raindog]

Mes playing his speed game

[Raisor]

Mesoraco steals second and then goes to third on the bad throw. Nice.

Looks like Kremchek did a good job on that hip

[Jordan]

Bunting a baseball thrown by MLB pitchers is hard. If a player has no clue how to bunt, I will never understand a manager asking them to do it. Especially 3x in a row when the player has proven they can't bunt. Might as well have him take every pitch and hope for a walk instead of doing that. Or heck, let him swing away.

[WrongVerb]

Make sure you switch your cap back

Yeah yeah yeah
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[Jordan]

Looks like Kremchek did a good job on that hip

Shoulder too.

[Raisor]

Yeah yeah yeah
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Two pairs of glasses. Nerd.

[Wolves198921]

Well that prevents the shutout at least. We would be tied if we had one clutch hit today in several chances....

[Tom Servo]

Peraza is deep in Thom's dog house.

[Redeye fly]

That 3-0 pitch did not look like a strike to Peraza.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

Unless we get a home run we simply cant knock n a run to save our lives

[klw]

That 3-0 pitch did not look like a strike to Peraza.

Gameday has it safely in the zone.

[Redeye fly]

Well the plus side is neither can the Giants. Unfortunately they do lead.

[Raisor]

Well that prevents the shutout at least. We would be tied if we had one clutch hit today in several chances....

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[Ron Madden]

Well that prevents the shutout at least. We would be tied if we had one clutch hit today in several chances....

No offense but you seem like a very negative kinda guy.

[reds44]

Hadnt the reds been crazy food with RISP before last night? They were due for this

[lnn6574]

Jose Yanish is killing us.


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[Redeye fly]

Gameday has it safely in the zone.

Well it must have crossed the plate at the corner or somewhere I didn't see because it looked like Hundley had to reach a bit off the plate to catch it.

[ScotlandRed]

Gameday has it safely in the zone.

Yeah I didn't think it was a strike in real time so checked gameday and said it was a strike on edge of zone.

[Tony Cloninger]

Mesoraco steals second and then goes to third on the bad throw. Nice.

To not need a 3rd catcher would really be a help to this bench or bullpen. Win Won either way.

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Looks like Kremchek did a good job on that hip

CHUCKIE!!!!!!!!!

[Raisor]

Jose Yanish is killing us.


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Paul Janish's half brother from when his old man was selling blenders in Central America?

[KronoRed]

Yeah yeah yeah
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Don't let Raisor get you down, he's an admitted Braves fan at heart :evil:

[Ron Madden]

I don't think Lisa has anything to be ashamed of today

[mth123]

Bonilla :notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:

Didn't think he could come close to doing this. Really saving the staff today. I guess he'll get another start.

[Tony Cloninger]

Well that prevents the shutout at least. We would be tied if we had one clutch hit today in several chances....

Do you work parties to clear them out?

[Raisor]

Don't let Raisor get you down, he's an admitted Braves fan at heart :evil:

Negative. Just because a man has been to hundreds of games at Fulton County Stadium and the Ted doesn't make him a liar and a traitor .

[Jordan]

I don't think Lisa has anything to be ashamed of today

He looks good. Was shaky early and has been lights-out since.

Mea culpa for comparing him to Rookie Davis and saying he didn't belong on a MLB mound.

Now, the Giants are a bad offensive team and this is a pitcher's park, but still very impressive work out of Lisa.

[Big Klu]

Hadnt the reds been crazy food with RISP before last night? They were due for this

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[WrongVerb]

To not need a 3rd catcher would really be a help to this bench or bullpen. Win Won either way.

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CHUCKIE!!!!!!!!!


Don't let Raisor get you down, he's an admitted Braves fan at heart :evil:

His secret is out!

[Tony Cloninger]

Bonilla has started about 50 plus games so he is well ahead and most of the Reds starters besides Arroyo. Or am I confused here?

[Raisor]

Who are any of you to doubt El Dandy?

[Ron Madden]

Joey crushed that.. whata shame

[Jordan]

Bonilla has started about 50 plus games so he is well ahead and most of the Reds starters besides Arroyo. Or am I confused here?

You're confused. This is his fourth MLB start.

Feldman is the other Reds' starter with a lot of MLB starts under his belt.

[Tony Cloninger]

You're confused. This is his fourth MLB start.

Feldman is the other Reds' starter with a lot of MLB starts under his belt.

Ok. Thanks. It must the minors where he started that many.

[Trademark]

Looks like we are back to losing again

[Raisor]

Looks like we are back to losing again

Speak for yourself.

I'm a winner.

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No team in major league history has come back from being down 2-1 in the 7th inning.

[Jordan]

Peraza ... ugh. Tough play, but still have to make it.

[WrongVerb]

Nm

[reds44]

Peraza....yeeesh

[Raisor]

AlCANTara

Amirite?

You are a jinx.

Immediately leave the stadium.

[Jordan]

Thom: "Maybe if he does field it cleanly, he would have got him."

MAYBE? Haha.

Ruled a hit though.

[ScotlandRed]

That should really be an error IMO

[reds44]

Nm

You were not right lol

[Wolves198921]

The Reds front office are getting excited. They want a top three draft pick and they'll get it. Another year of finishing last in the division ohhhh yay.

[Tom Servo]

The Reds front office are getting excited. They want a top three draft pick and they'll get it. Another year of finishing last in the division ohhhh yay.
Good contribution.

[reds44]

The Reds front office are getting excited. They want a top three draft pick and they'll get it. Another year of finishing last in the division ohhhh yay.
They haven't even lost back to back games yet and the idiots are already out

[Jordan]

The Reds front office are getting excited. They want a top three draft pick and they'll get it. Another year of finishing last in the division ohhhh yay.

Hasn't been following the Pirates this year ^^^^

[Raisor]

The Reds front office are getting excited. They want a top three draft pick and they'll get it. Another year of finishing last in the division ohhhh yay.

This is high level trolling.

Good job sir, good job.

[Roy Tucker]

Peraza is still not finely skilled in the IF. His fundamentals aren't quite down pat.

[Raisor]

Peraza is still not finely skilled in the IF. His fundamentals aren't quite down pat.

One of the reasons why I want him in there everyday. Also why I don't want him playing any OF this season.

[Kc61]

Reds this series with 6 runs scored in 33 innings.

If they want at least a split, they will have to do better.

A tough stadium for the Reds, huge contrast to GABP. Still, you have to adjust.

[Ron Madden]

Lisa is keepin' us in the game.
It aint over yet.

[Tom Servo]

Great work Lisa!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6G82tanEqc

[Raisor]

I'm watching online poker on Twitch. Background music is a Muzak version of Poker Face.

[Roy Tucker]

One of the reasons why I want him in there everyday. Also why I don't want him playing any OF this season.

He fields many positions but none of them particularly well. Like you said, put him somewhere and leave him there. Shuttling him around doesn't do him any good.

[Ron Madden]

Geno was robbed

[Tom Servo]

He fields many positions but none of them particularly well. Like you said, put him somewhere and leave him there. Shuttling him around doesn't do him any good.
I think he's looked fine at 2B and made some nice plays at SS.

Remember when everyone said Suarez was a DH?

[Tom Servo]

Scheb the one Red with a hot bat out in the Bay.

[Raisor]

Scheb the one Red with a hot bat out in the Bay.

Too bad he's still stuck in Louisville.

So sad.

[KronoRed]

I think umpires sometimes just call balks because they haven't done anything in awhile.

[Kc61]

Peraza is still not finely skilled in the IF. His fundamentals aren't quite down pat.

I just don't see it, sorry. Peraza is solid at short, and has done remarkably well at second - not his true position. Makes the double play well, sure handed.

I can understand the criticism that he lacks elite range in the hole. And he hasn't hit. But I've watched him play many times now and just don't see the problem defensively.

He muffed that play, which he rushed. I think he might have been thrown off when Suarez seemed to be going for it.

[Ron Madden]

Some days ya just can't buy a big hit.

[Tom Servo]

Lisa back out for the 8th. Only 80 pitches, why not.

[Ron Madden]

I believe Lisa has earned another start

[Tom Servo]

thanks Span

[Big Klu]

THom thinks that teams don't formulate game plans against a certain pitcher.

OK... :rolleyes:

[Ron Madden]

THom thinks

OK... :rolleyes:

That's news to me.

[Roy Tucker]

I think he's looked fine at 2B and made some nice plays at SS.

Remember when everyone said Suarez was a DH?

He makes good plays but he's not consistent. His fundementals are all over the place and has to rely on sheer talent.

Suarezi s a good example. They put him on 3b and left him there. He has become much more consistent and plays a good third now. He didn't before.

[reds44]

THom thinks that teams don't formulate game plans against a certain pitcher.

OK... :rolleyes:

He also legitimately thought they were running out of baseballs last night

[Tom Servo]

Thought Panik beat the tag.

[Tony Cloninger]

The Reds front office are getting excited. They want a top three draft pick and they'll get it. Another year of finishing last in the division ohhhh yay.

Trolling Trolling Trolling keep them posts a rolling Rawhide!

[Jordan]

Safe

[Big Klu]

He also legitimately thought they were running out of baseballs last night

Last night I went to bed and listened to the last four or five innings on the radio. It reminded me a little of the old days when I would listen to West Coast games with Marty & Joe.

[Tom Servo]

Don't have a good feeling here, hope Lisa's line doesn't get blown up.

[Jordan]

Lisa is going to get a complete game at the very worst. Great job, kid.

[Kc61]

He makes good plays but he's not consistent. His fundementals are all over the place and has to rely on sheer talent.

Suarezi s a good example. They put him on 3b and left him there. So becine much more consistent and plays a good third now. He didn't before.

Not consistent - Peraza has played 225 innings this year at second base. He's got 49 put outs and 60 assists. One error.

Peraza has also played 42 innings this year at short. Has 4 put outs, 24 assists. One error.

Suarez made 23 errors at third last year, 19 at short the year before. He's vastly improved now, thankfully.

I respect your view, but I don't see the comparison.

Peraza does not have elite range or throwing arm. But he's very solid, makes very few mistakes defensively in the infield.

[Raisor]

Last night I went to bed and listened to the last four or five innings on the radio. It reminded me a little of the old days when I would listen to West Coast games with Marty & Joe.

Welcome back to the fold BK.

[klw]

Reds Star of the Game- La Isla Bonilla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqIIW7nxBgc

[Big Klu]

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[reds44]

The anti Christ on base 3 times today with two walks

[Jordan]

And this one does not belong to the Reds.

[Big Klu]

Welcome back to the fold BK.

I don't know if I'm all the way back yet. There are still a lot of things about this organization that I'm still bitter about. Intentionally folding to gain draft status is a major sin IMO, and it will take a while for me to forgive that. And I don't trust the front office at all.

But I'm trying.

[reds44]

Bruh I pulled a Cubs fan on Alcantara's ball

[Ron Madden]

Well... I still enjoyed watchin Lisa pitch, he's earned another start.

[Kc61]

Too many long fly outs by the Reds in this series.

It isn't GABP fellas, you need a different approach in SF.

[Raisor]

I don't know if I'm all the way back yet. There are still a lot of things about this organization that I'm still bitter about. Intentionally folding to gain draft status is a major sin IMO, and it will take a while for me to forgive that.

But I'm trying.

When you lose two rotations worth of starters, it's kind of hard to accuse a team of tanking on purpose.

[The Operator]

The offense has some serious thunder in it but I get the feeling we're going to be in for some "feast or famine" type stretches with it.

Still the most fun I've had watching Reds baseball in a long time though.

[Roy Tucker]

I don't know if I'm all the way back yet. There are still a lot of things about this organization that I'm still bitter about. Intentionally folding to gain draft status is a major sin IMO, and it will take a while for me to forgive that. And I don't trust the front office at all.

But I'm trying.

Root for the guys on the field. I like this team more than I thought I would.

West coast blues. 2 tough games well pitched. Missing the clutch hit.

[Raisor]

The offense has some serious thunder in it but I get the feeling we're going to be in for some "feast or famine" type stretches with it.

Still the most fun I've had watching Reds baseball in a long time though.

They've actually been really consistent this season. 24 games where they've scored 4+ runs

[Big Klu]

When you lose two rotations worth of starters, it's kind of hard to accuse a team of tanking on purpose.

Come on now. Let's not bury our heads in the sand. Punting and tanking have been the primary topics of conversation for the last two years on RedsZone, and that philosophy has gained a lot of traction around here. I don't agree with it and never have, but I don't want to fight about it, and I'm trying to get past it. (Much like I had to with the 1994 strike--that one took a while, too. It was 1998 before I was all the way back.)

Anyway, like I said, I'm trying to come around. But it will take time.

[WrongVerb]

I'll say this for Giants fans. They have some great hecklers. Creative, and not a vulgar word heard.

[Raisor]

[QUOTE=Big Klu;3635254]Come on now. Let's not bury our heads in the sand. Punting and tanking have been the primary topics of conversation for the last two years on RedsZone, and that philosophy has gained a lot of traction around here. I don't agree with it and never have, but I don't want to fight about it, and I'm trying to get past it. (Much like I had to with the 1994 strike

[WrongVerb]

Seasons have their ups and downs. You hope the ups are more plentiful and last longer.

[Raisor]

My personal opinion:

Difference between tanking and rebuilding.

Tanking is when you bring in bad players in hopes that you are bad. I don't believe that's what the Reds have been doing.

[Tom Servo]

Come on now. Let's not bury our heads in the sand. Punting and tanking have been the primary topics of conversation for the last two years on RedsZone, and that philosophy has gained a lot of traction around here. I don't agree with it and never have, but I don't want to fight about it, and I'm trying to get past it. (Much like I had to with the 1994 strike--that one took a while, too. It was 1998 before I was all the way back.)

Anyway, like I said, I'm trying to come around. But it will take time.
It just seems like a weird thing to be hung up on. Lots of early 00s Reds teams were embarrassments to baseball due to poor planning and effort. Blowing it up and starting over like the Reds have the last two years is just another part of the sport.

[Big Klu]

My personal opinion:

Difference between tanking and rebuilding.

Tanking is when you bring in bad players in hopes that you are bad. I don't believe that's what the Reds have been doing.

I don't know, the bullpen and bench were pretty horrible the previous two years.
But I'm going to try to let it go.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack this game thread, so let's get back to today's game. Bonilla gave an outstanding effort today. He really stepped up when the team needed him. Definitely would be the Star Of The Game if Nux were still around.

[757690]

My personal opinion:

Difference between tanking and rebuilding.

Tanking is when you bring in bad players in hopes that you are bad. I don't believe that's what the Reds have been doing.

Exhibits A, B and C ;)

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=18&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

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[Ironman92]

Reds 10.
Gints 5.

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[WVRedsFan]

Come on now. Let's not bury our heads in the sand. Punting and tanking have been the primary topics of conversation for the last two years on RedsZone, and that philosophy has gained a lot of traction around here. I don't agree with it and never have, but I don't want to fight about it, and I'm trying to get past it. (Much like I had to with the 1994 strike--that one took a while, too. It was 1998 before I was all the way back.)

Anyway, like I said, I'm trying to come around. But it will take time.Klu, I'm in the same situation. I'm trying to be positive. I finally spent the whole thread (save the last two innings)last night, and tried to stay positive and I think I succeded. Only one snark comment from Phil :), and went to bed before the loss. Maybe that's the best way to do a game thread?

[_Sir_Charles_]

Considering all the handwringing going on here about Bonilla's start (and the "lack of planning" by the Reds FO), I think a bunch of fans should be frying up some crow today for lunch. I thought he did fantastic yesterday. Not the end result we wanted, but you certainly can't put any fault on Bonilla's effort. Great job. :clap: :clap: :clap: