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cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 10:47 AM
Reds try to salvage one game in this series. Garrett makes his return.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAHcZ_DVwAAb506.jpg:large

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 10:53 AM
Astin has been shipped back to Louisville in order to bring back Garrett.

klw
05-18-2017, 11:25 AM
Wind is scheduled to be blowing 15 to 20 mph out to RF/ CF.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lon=-87.65550377096875&lat=41.94812330658681#.WR28nvkrJQI

Gary Redus
05-18-2017, 01:27 PM
Why not Mes behind the plate today?

Big Klu
05-18-2017, 01:28 PM
Why not Mes behind the plate today?

I would guess his hamstring is still barking.

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 01:39 PM
I would guess his hamstring is still barking.

Mes, injured? How does that not surprise me?

Big Klu
05-18-2017, 01:58 PM
Mes, injured? How does that not surprise me?

It was why he came out of Sunday's game in San Francisco.

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:03 PM
It was why he came out of Sunday's game in San Francisco.

I haven't been able to watch much lately. Only been keeping up through the boxscores for the most part.

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:24 PM
Votto with a two out double.

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:27 PM
Votto is left stranded at 2nd.

50YrRedsFan
05-18-2017, 02:41 PM
Umps strike zone all over the place

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:41 PM
Garrett walks in a run. Three walks this inning for Garrett.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 02:41 PM
Garrett walks in a run on his third free pass of the inning.

lnn6574
05-18-2017, 02:42 PM
Peraza????? These pitches are on him.


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BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2017, 02:44 PM
5-0 hole. Same as it ever was... same as it ever was... same as it ever was.


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cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:44 PM
5-0 Cubs. A Grand Salami by Javier Baez. Nice return by Garrett...............

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 02:44 PM
Baez grand slam.

Jordan
05-18-2017, 02:44 PM
I hate the Cubs.

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:45 PM
Lester lines out to end the inning. 5-0 Cubs. I wonder if Reds will beat the Cubs at all this season. Reds are horribly over matched by them.

BCubb2003
05-18-2017, 02:45 PM
Every Reds batter should be bunting at Lester now.

androosh
05-18-2017, 02:45 PM
5-0 Cubs. A Grand Salami by Javier Baez. Nice return by Garrett...............This isn't all on Garrett.

DocRed
05-18-2017, 02:46 PM
Garrett as sharp as ever...it's like he never left the team. Kudos to Brian Price...

50YrRedsFan
05-18-2017, 02:46 PM
The offense will have to step up now.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 02:46 PM
Lester lines out to end the inning. 5-0 Cubs. I wonder if Reds will beat the Cubs at all this season. Reds are horribly over matched by them.
Reds already won one against them, unless you mean "again".

But yeah, we have no pitching to compete. Sorry to anybody who really got their hopes up.

Chip R
05-18-2017, 02:47 PM
Every Reds batter should be bunting at Lester now.

That's assuming they can bunt.

50YrRedsFan
05-18-2017, 02:48 PM
Rizzo jst pi---s me off with his cockiness. I think he needs to be hit in the knee by a pitch

Edskin
05-18-2017, 02:49 PM
This might be the worst starting rotation.....well, ever. Like, ever. This is why I really don't have positive feelings towards Dick Williams right now. Bottom line, he is the GM and we have an amazingly putrid starting rotation. Youth only matters if they are also actually good.

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:49 PM
Reds already won one against them, unless you mean "again".

But yeah, we have no pitching to compete. Sorry to anybody who really got their hopes up.

Yes again. This pitching just reeks and are just no match for the Cubs.

Crumbley
05-18-2017, 02:49 PM
Lester should add an H to the mound.

Raisor
05-18-2017, 02:49 PM
Garrett as sharp as ever...it's like he never left the team. Kudos to Brian Price...

Blaming Price for this is ridiculous.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 02:50 PM
This might be the worst starting rotation.....well, ever. Like, ever. This is why I really don't have positive feelings towards Dick Williams right now. Bottom line, he is the GM and we have an amazingly putrid starting rotation. Youth only matters if they are also actually good.
Dick's fault Disco, Homer, and Finnegan are all hurt?

Raisor
05-18-2017, 02:51 PM
Dick's fault Disco, Homer, and Finnegan are all hurt?

Apparently

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:52 PM
This isn't all on Garrett.

If you are talking about the mental error by Peraza then the pitcher has to learn to pitch through stuff like that. Errors, mental and physical happen. Not much you can do about it except bear down and get the next hitter.
Apparently there were some close pitches that went against him. The Cowboy said they looked to be the right calls and then again a pitcher has to be mentally tough to pitch around those close calls. If they can't do that then they won't be around in the big leagues very long.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 02:52 PM
If you are talking about the mental error by Peraza then the pitcher has to learn to pitch through stuff like that. Errors, mental and physical happen. Not much you can do about it except bear down and get the next hitter.
Apparently there were some close pitches that went against him. The Cowboy said they looked to be the right calls and then again a pitcher has to be mentally tough to pitch around those close calls. If they can't do that then they won't be around in the big leagues very long.
Gameday had Garrett consistently missing the zone.

androosh
05-18-2017, 02:53 PM
Dick's fault Disco, Homer, and Finnegan are all hurt?If Williams had like 37 starters in the MILB system that were MLB ready, it wouldn't matter that they were hurt.

Edskin
05-18-2017, 02:53 PM
Dick's fault Disco, Homer, and Finnegan are all hurt?

The Disco injury was bad luck, no doubt. With him we'd have a "D-" rotation as opposed to an F. With Homer, at this point counting on him for anything is silly. If they entered into this season with him as a key cog in their plans, then it was a misguided plan.

Raisor
05-18-2017, 02:54 PM
Rizzo jst pi---s me off with his cockiness. I think he needs to be hit in the knee by a pitch

So you want to potentially injure someone due to cockiness?

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 02:54 PM
The Disco injury was bad luck, no doubt. With him we'd have a "D-" rotation as opposed to an F. With Homer, at this point counting on him for anything is silly. If they entered into this season with him as a key cog in their plans, then it was a misguided plan.
Bailey or not, the plan was never to compete for a World Series, sorry to break this to you.

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:54 PM
Dick's fault Disco, Homer, and Finnegan are all hurt?

I think they knew two of those three weren't going to be any help for a couple months at the minimum. They decided to rely on the young pitchers and that didn't work out very well. That's the reason you can't rely on a staff full of rookies to bring you through a major league season.

androosh
05-18-2017, 02:55 PM
If you are talking about the mental error by Peraza then the pitcher has to learn to pitch through stuff like that. Errors, mental and physical happen. Not much you can do about it except bear down and get the next hitter.
Apparently there were some close pitches that went against him. The Cowboy said they looked to be the right calls and then again a pitcher has to be mentally tough to pitch around those close calls. If they can't do that then they won't be around in the big leagues very long.Not just that. The zone has been pretty inconsistent thus far, which again, he has to work around, but you expect some level of consistency at the MLB level.

ScotlandRed
05-18-2017, 02:55 PM
Gameday had Garrett consistently missing the zone.

This. Just seemed to me a young pitcher lost composer after what should have been an out and couldn't regain focus

Raisor
05-18-2017, 02:56 PM
I think they knew two of those three weren't going to be any help for a couple months at the minimum. They decided to rely on the young pitchers and that didn't work out very well. That's the reason you can't rely on a staff full of rookies to bring you through a major league season.

Feldman
Bronson
Adleman

Rookies?

cumberlandreds
05-18-2017, 02:58 PM
Feldman
Bronson
Adleman

Rookies?

Or used up veterans. bad choices all around.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 03:00 PM
Feldman
Bronson
Adleman

Rookies?
They should have made REAL acquisitions like the Braves did, adding gritty, former Cy Young winning veterans like Bartolo Colon and RA Dickey, and Jaime Garcia for good measure.

Never mind that all 3 have been awful and the Braves are several games under .500

DocRed
05-18-2017, 03:02 PM
Wow...Rizzo is really crowding the plate

Raisor
05-18-2017, 03:02 PM
What's funny is everyone predicted 100 losses and are freaking out when they are a .500 team

50YrRedsFan
05-18-2017, 03:03 PM
So you want to potentially injure someone due to cockiness?

Sometimes you have to back guys off the plate. The Reds don't do that at all. The all pitch defensively. I'm not for hurting players. I should have expressed myself differently. Not since Stan Williams was pitching coach in the late 80's and early 90's did the Reds pitch aggressively. Dibble, Charlton and Myers were some of his pupils.

Raisor
05-18-2017, 03:06 PM
Sometimes you have to back guys off the plate. The Reds don't do that at all. The all pitch defensively. I'm not for hurting players. I should have expressed myself differently. Not since Stan Williams was pitching coach in the late 80's and early 90's did the Reds pitch aggressively. Dibble, Charlton and Myers were some of his pupils.

Backing a guy off the plate and hitting a guy in the knee is two totally different concepts.

Good on you to realize that.

ochoa30
05-18-2017, 03:06 PM
It was a rough first inning all around but that pitch to Baez was awful. He had him set up and then telegraphed a hanging change up belt high. That was ugly.

Big Klu
05-18-2017, 03:06 PM
So you want to potentially injure someone due to cockiness?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5f/64/6e/5f646e48750e02e32ee11d97c721593d.jpg

Strikes Out Looking
05-18-2017, 03:07 PM
When the Reds have no one on and less than two outs, they should be bunting towards the pitcher. Lester can't throw to 1b - Hamilton and Pereza should be doing this all the time. I don't understand why they are not doing this. Why am I wrong?

Raisor
05-18-2017, 03:08 PM
It was a rough first inning all around but that pitch to Baez was awful. He had him set up and then telegraphed a hanging change up belt high. That was ugly.

Rookies are going to rookie.

Hopefully he will learn

RedTeamGo!
05-18-2017, 03:08 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif

50YrRedsFan
05-18-2017, 03:09 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5f/64/6e/5f646e48750e02e32ee11d97c721593d.jpg

I never liked Joe Pesci either, until I saw My Cousin Vinny.

ochoa30
05-18-2017, 03:12 PM
Rookies are going to rookie.

Hopefully he will learn

This is true. That one was just particularly horrible, lol. Bad timing too.

Big Klu
05-18-2017, 03:16 PM
I never liked Joe Pesci either, until I saw My Cousin Vinny.

I don't think I've ever seen him in anything where I didn't like him...

Goodfellas
Casino
Raging Bull
My Cousin Vinny
Home Alone
Lethal Weapon 2-4

...among others

Larry Schuler
05-18-2017, 03:16 PM
5-0 hole. Same as it ever was... same as it ever was... same as it ever was.


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This must be last place.

RedTeamGo!
05-18-2017, 03:19 PM
The two hhhwat?

Edskin
05-18-2017, 03:20 PM
Bailey or not, the plan was never to compete for a World Series, sorry to break this to you.

If the plan was to assemble the worst starting rotation we've ever seen, then they get high marks.

Look, I know the Reds are a really lousy organization-- bottom 1/4 in MLB for sure and probably worse than that. I get it. I understand that this team had a 0% chance to compete for anything significant this year. However, when a key element to your team is THIS bad I think it's OK to wonder what in the world they've been doing/thinking.

Raisor
05-18-2017, 03:22 PM
If the plan was to assemble the worst starting rotation we've ever seen, then they get high marks.

Look, I know the Reds are a really lousy organization-- bottom 1/4 in MLB for sure and probably worse than that. I get it. I understand that this team had a 0% chance to compete for anything significant this year. However, when a key element to your team is THIS bad I think it's OK to wonder what in the world they've been doing/thinking.

It's called rebuilding.

50YrRedsFan
05-18-2017, 03:25 PM
I don't think I've ever seen him in anything where I didn't like him...

Goodfellas
Casino
Raging Bull
My Cousin Vinny
Home Alone
Lethal Weapon 2-4

...among others

It must have been the presence of Marisa Tomei that made me like him.

RedTeamGo!
05-18-2017, 03:26 PM
If the plan was to assemble the worst starting rotation we've ever seen, then they get high marks.

Look, I know the Reds are a really lousy organization-- bottom 1/4 in MLB for sure and probably worse than that. I get it. I understand that this team had a 0% chance to compete for anything significant this year. However, when a key element to your team is THIS bad I think it's OK to wonder what in the world they've been doing/thinking.

Even if you take Homer and Disco out of the equation - Finnegan and Romano are both injured as well.

Basically impossible to plan for that in addition to Reed, Stephenson, and Davis being total busts.

The reds are currently .500, playing above their heads during a rebuilding season with a bunch of rotation injuries and you are calling them one of the worst organizations in baseball.

It doesn't add up.

Edskin
05-18-2017, 03:26 PM
It's called rebuilding.

Yes, and at some point you want to see players who might figure into the equation when the team might be good again. This is also the fourth season since we were any good--- you'd like to have more in the fold at this point I'd think.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 03:28 PM
Yes, and at some point you want to see players who might figure into the equation when the team might be good again. This is also the fourth season since we were any good--- you'd like to have more in the fold at this point I'd think.
http://i.imgur.com/78USzna.png?1

And this is only through mid May.

Edskin
05-18-2017, 03:32 PM
http://i.imgur.com/78USzna.png?1

And this is only through mid May.

But who is actually good on that list? It's definitely better to be bad and young than bad and old, but of that list, I'm not particularly high on any of those guys... Romano is the real unknown so I won't comment on him, but of the other 9, Peralta is the only one I watch and think, "man, this guy looks pretty good." I also think Lorenzen can be at least a serviceable big league reliever. I'm not saying all the rest are busts or won't develop or come around-- but it would be nice if at least one or two of them was flashing some star potential.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 03:34 PM
but it would be nice if at least one or two of them was flashing some star potential.
Agreed. I simply don't see how that reflects badly on a first year GM though.

texasdave
05-18-2017, 03:36 PM
I reserve the right to question the baseball acumen of anyone who puts Bronson Arroyo into a major league starting rotation. And he was chiseled into the rotation very nearly since the ink dried on the contract. Before Disco got hurt. Before Finnegan got hurt. Before Romano got hurt.

Raisor
05-18-2017, 03:38 PM
But who is actually good on that list? It's definitely better to be bad and young than bad and old, but of that list, I'm not particularly high on any of those guys... Romano is the real unknown so I won't comment on him, but of the other 9, Peralta is the only one I watch and think, "man, this guy looks pretty good." I also think Lorenzen can be at least a serviceable big league reliever. I'm not saying all the rest are busts or won't develop or come around-- but it would be nice if at least one or two of them was flashing some star potential.

Garrett has certainly had his ups and downs, but that shouldn't be a surprise.

Edskin
05-18-2017, 03:40 PM
Agreed. I simply don't see how that reflects badly on a first year GM though.

DW is a weird case because while it's his first year officially on the job he has been here and should have had a pretty strong read in terms of what we did or didn't have on hand. I am fine giving him plenty of time-- I like some of the other things he has done-- he needs time-- but I am definitely a little irked by the fact that we have chosen to trot out this rotation this season. I can't believe how bad it is. Stunning we are only two games under .500

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2017, 03:44 PM
This bunch is just downright hard to watch right now. Brutal.


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Kc61
05-18-2017, 03:46 PM
Williams did not "choose" this rotation.

He probably chose a rotation of Disco, Bailey, Finnegan, Feldman and Garrett.

The current rotation is terrible, but it's definitely temporary.

A few years ago teams like the Cubs and Astros and Royals were equally terrible and they eventually got there. The Reds will too.

Raisor
05-18-2017, 03:48 PM
Disco
Homer
Finnegan
Iglesias
Lorenzen

That's an entire rotation not healthy enough. No team can come back from that, yet the Reds are .500

50YrRedsFan
05-18-2017, 03:52 PM
The Reds can DFA Wood anytime.

lnn6574
05-18-2017, 03:53 PM
Blake Wood, awesome.


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50YrRedsFan
05-18-2017, 03:55 PM
Can Jenkins DFA him right there at the mound?

Kc61
05-18-2017, 03:55 PM
The Reds can DFA Wood anytime.

Wood's pretty good for mop up duty. He's usually better than this, but they need guys to absorb innings in blow outs.

Can't keep asking the premium relievers to pitch two or three innings in blow outs.

Wood suffices, they need to use him heavily in these situations.

Mutaman
05-18-2017, 03:55 PM
A few years ago teams like the Cubs and Astros and Royals were equally terrible and they eventually got there. The Reds will too.

Problem is it took the Cubs, Astros and Royals about 50 years to get there. "eventually" could be a long time.

50YrRedsFan
05-18-2017, 03:59 PM
Wood's pretty good for mop up duty. He's usually better than this, but they need guys to absorb innings in blow outs.

Can't keep asking the premium relievers to pitch two or three innings in blow outs.

Wood suffices, they need to use him heavily in these situations.

I believe it's the Cubs heavily using Blake Wood. :eek:

Mutaman
05-18-2017, 03:59 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5f/64/6e/5f646e48750e02e32ee11d97c721593d.jpg

Met him at Monmouth racetrack a few years ago. We talked handicapping for a few minutes. Wanted to ask him what it was like to kiss Marisa, but he was pretty focused on beating the favorite in the 7th race and it didn't seem appropriate. Should have won another oscar for Raging Bull.

Big Klu
05-18-2017, 04:01 PM
THom keeps talking like Dusty and the Nationals are teetering on the brink of oblivion. The last I checked, the Nats have the best record in the NL and have an 8 game lead on second place in the NL East.

Kc61
05-18-2017, 04:02 PM
I believe it's the Cubs heavily using Blake Wood. :eek:

Yeah. I looked at Wood's numbers today. He leads the team in appearances and his numbers aren't totally atrocious.

If Mes goes on the 10-day DL tomorrow, Reds need to bring up another mop up reliever.

At least the team has progressed to the point where the mission is completely obvious - build a rotation and pretty quickly. By next season, big improvement needed.

Mutaman
05-18-2017, 04:10 PM
Simple solution: Sign guys like Lester and Lackey instead of guys like Feldman and Adleman.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 04:14 PM
Simple solution: Sign guys like Lester and Lackey instead of guys like Feldman and Adleman.
Oh, THAT's what they've been doing wrong.

Raisor
05-18-2017, 04:14 PM
Simple solution: Sign guys like Lester and Lackey instead of guys like Feldman and Adleman.

Lester has about 130+million left on his contract, but sure

Mutaman
05-18-2017, 04:20 PM
Lester has about 130+million left on his contract, but sure

You want a solution I gave you a solution. Or you could wait for "eventually".

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 04:25 PM
Shutout for Lester gone, Alcantara delivers an RBI single.

RedTeamGo!
05-18-2017, 04:25 PM
Not to mention the whole Epstein/Lester relationship in addition to the huge contract.

But yeah, the Reds should have signed Lester.

If that's a solution, they also should have traded for Mike Trout and Clayton Kershaw

Mutaman
05-18-2017, 04:28 PM
Not to mention the whole Epstein/Lester relationship in addition to the huge contract.

But yeah, the Reds should have signed Lester.

If that's a solution, they also should have traded for Mike Trout and Clayton Kershaw

I guess i have to use smiley faces with this crowd. In any event they could probably give up the entire organization and it wouldn't get them trout and Kershaw.

Raisor
05-18-2017, 04:30 PM
When the time comes I have faith that Williams will move prospects to fill for need.

Edskin
05-18-2017, 04:33 PM
Raisor--/ if the Reds finish at or near .500 it will be an unquestioned and raging success no matter how they accomplish it. It will likely mean the lineup and pen went bananas and then maybe we can fix rotation in off season and be in decent shape next year.

I think the "freak out" you see is myself and others projecting what this season might become with this starting rotation we Have in place. I think it's more likely we wind up with the worst record in MLB than it is we finish .500 or better. And if we really do crash like that with a historically bad rotation then it becomes difficult to feel very good about the state of things, rebuild or not.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope these 6 games were just a lull. I fear it's a sign of things to come. And if it is, it will be a very hard summer to watch. Because watching a team that struggles to get through the first three innings without already giving the game away is difficult to stomach.

Mutaman
05-18-2017, 04:34 PM
When the time comes I have faith that Williams will move prospects to fill for need.

Dick is already in his 40s. Doubt he'll still be alive "when the time comes".

RedTeamGo!
05-18-2017, 04:36 PM
It's exactly what the Cubs did, and what I predicted years ago when the Cubs were bad. They got the lineup set and THEN bought/acquired pitching. I think Dick is doing a modified version of that.

CrackerJack
05-18-2017, 04:37 PM
When the time comes I have faith that Williams will move prospects to fill for need.

That seems to be pretty far-off - this team is nowhere near buying mode. Now if they could just play Pittsburgh every week...

Raisor
05-18-2017, 04:38 PM
43-80

That's what the Reds will need to do to lose 100 games.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 04:38 PM
I think the "freak out" you see is myself and others projecting what this season might become with this starting rotation we Have in place.

The rotation right now isn't going to be the rotation in July, you know that, right?

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Dick is already in his 40s. Doubt he'll still be alive "when the time comes".
Love the chipper attitude on Redszone.com, the Reds will literally never have another winning season.

Mutaman
05-18-2017, 04:43 PM
It's exactly what the Cubs did, and what I predicted years ago when the Cubs were bad. They got the lineup set and THEN bought/acquired pitching. I think Dick is doing a modified version of that.

Exactly- they went out and got Lester and Lackey. Plus they traded Scott Feldman for Arrieta, maybe we could do that.

Big Klu
05-18-2017, 04:44 PM
Why are we watching the Cubs 7th inning stretch thing?

Oh yeah, THom thinks it's awesome.

Big Klu
05-18-2017, 04:46 PM
THom wants to eliminate the on-deck circle.

Mutaman
05-18-2017, 04:47 PM
Love the chipper attitude on Redszone.com, the Reds will literally never have another winning season.

"Winning season"? I'd be perfectly content if they could beat the Cubs more than 4 times in one year.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 04:47 PM
Exactly- they went out and got Lester and Lackey.
...after five seasons where their highest win total was 75 games.

Tom Servo
05-18-2017, 04:49 PM
"Winning season"? I'd be perfectly content if they could beat the Cubs more than 4 times in one year.
Well they've already got one out of the way, could have two already if Price hadn't been stubborn in letting Lorenzen facing Rizzo. They'll have another 12 cracks at it this year.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2017, 04:50 PM
Even Zach Cozart's flawless glove is getting pulled into the black, er, red hole.

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THom wants to eliminate the on-deck circle.

Vehemently.

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2017, 05:06 PM
Did you guys know Ian Happ went to UC?

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2017, 05:25 PM
Bases loaded, no out, one run. Reds Baseball.

Kc61
05-18-2017, 05:25 PM
Reds with five runs each game at Cubs, lose them all.

klw
05-18-2017, 06:22 PM
http://i.imgur.com/78USzna.png?1

And this is only through mid May.

Add all those guys ages up and you get Arroyo's age. (I can make that joke because Bunny is still younger than I am)

klw
05-18-2017, 06:23 PM
THom wants to eliminate the on-deck circle.

What was his reasoning for this?

Big Klu
05-18-2017, 06:33 PM
What was his reasoning for this?

"It's unnecessary. Players can take practice swings in the tunnel before they come to the plate."

BluegrassRedleg
05-18-2017, 06:33 PM
Reds with five runs each game at Cubs, lose them all.

Hard to do. Offense got going too late today, but still ultimately gave them five. Shame of it is, the Cubs should have had 0 in the first.

Big Klu
05-18-2017, 06:43 PM
I think maybe they should burn those bowling shirts on the way back home.

Ron Madden
05-19-2017, 03:18 AM
If you are talking about the mental error by Peraza then the pitcher has to learn to pitch through stuff like that. Errors, mental and physical happen. Not much you can do about it except bear down and get the next hitter.
Apparently there were some close pitches that went against him. The Cowboy said they looked to be the right calls and then again a pitcher has to be mentally tough to pitch around those close calls. If they can't do that then they won't be around in the big leagues very long.

I guess I agree with just about about half of this post BUT...

As a Public Service Announcement to All Reds Fans...
Pay very little attention to anything "The Cowboy " says.

I've heard him declare so many times that "That pitch was right down Broadway"
In reality the ball crosses the plate at the batters ankles or shoulder high.

TRUST BUT VERIFY. ;)

Ron Madden
05-19-2017, 03:23 AM
This might be the worst starting rotation.....well, ever. Like, ever. This is why I really don't have positive feelings towards Dick Williams right now. Bottom line, he is the GM and we have an amazingly putrid starting rotation. Youth only matters if they are also actually good.

I Trust Dick Williams ...
Let's give him a litle bit'o time

Ron Madden
05-19-2017, 03:27 AM
I think they knew two of those three weren't going to be any help for a couple months at the minimum. They decided to rely on the young pitchers and that didn't work out very well. That's the reason you can't rely on a staff full of rookies to bring you through a major league season.

They Knew all this during this past off season???

Ron Madden
05-19-2017, 03:34 AM
I haven't been able to watch much lately. Only been keeping up through the boxscores for the most part.

I grew up listening to the Reds on radio and reading the box scores.

I loved it. But radio and box scores both do a poor job of painting the true picture.

Ron Madden
05-19-2017, 04:53 AM
I grew up listening to the Reds on radio and reading the box scores.

I loved it. But radio and box scores both do a poor job of painting the true picture.

I'm afraid most Reds fans nowdays lack the patience for a total rebuild of the organization.

Dick Williams Has A Plan!

That plan is to avoid long stretches of losing seasons, to compeete every season.
It's a difficult task, especially for a small market club.

I Trust Dick Williams and I hope and pray he stays the course.

I'm 63 yrs old, been a Reds fan since before I can remember.
I've lived through many long / losing seasons with no post season play.
I've seen the Reds in the World Series 6 times in all those years.
Those 6 years erased the disappointment of so many losing seasons.. For a little while.

I have faith in the new front office and look forward to the Reds being competive more often than not.
It ain't gonna happen over night, I hope we can just enjoy the highs and tolerate the lows of Reds baseball until then

Big Klu
05-19-2017, 07:52 AM
Reds with five runs each game at Cubs, lose them all.

Not only that, but they scored five runs in each game and were never even competitive in any of them.