Monday, May 29, 2017 (Memorial Day Edition) Reds vs. Blue Jays 7:07 EDT

[texasdave]

FYI: This game is the FREE MLB.COM Game of the Day.

[Ironman92]

Go, fight, win!

[Tom Servo]

C. Trent Rosecrans‏
@ctrent 5m5 minutes ago

#Reds lineup: Hamilton 8, Cozart DH, Votto 3, Duvall 7, Suarez 5, Schebler 9, Mesoraco 2, Gennett 4, Peraza 6, Bonilla RHP

[Ron Madden]

Cincinnati Reds

CF Billy Hamilton (S)
DH Zack Cozart (R)
1B Joey Votto (L)
LF Adam Duvall (R)
3B Eugenio Suarez (R)
RF Scott Schebler (L)
C Devin Mesoraco (R)
2B Scooter Gennett (L)
SS Jose Peraza (R)

CIN: Lisalverto Bonilla (R) (0-2, 6.17)
TOR: Marcus Stroman (R) (5-2, 3.30)

[Ron Madden]

Blue Jays

CF Kevin Pillar (R)
3B Josh Donaldson (R)
RF Jose Bautista (R)
DH Kendrys Morales (S)
1B Justin Smoak (S)
C Russell Martin (R)
SS Troy Tulowitzki (R)
2B Devon Travis (R)
LF Chris Coghlan (L)

[davereds24]

Who would have ever thought Cozart at DH would give the Reds and advantage over the Jays DH. Hopefully it's Mes tomorrow.

[Wolves198921]

This will be a very tough game to win, Toronto pitching their ace... Hopefully we get the April version and not the May version of the blue jays.

[reds44]

The Reds have 12 announcers, and Doug Flynn has to do the game with Marty tonight?

[Reds Fanatic]

Bunt single for Hamilton to start the game

[Tadasimha]

Fly, Billy, fly!

[votto14]

Brewers lost. Chance to gain ground tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Uh oh. Hamilton looks hurt

[WrongVerb]

That was the best bunt I've ever seen Hamilton make.

[Reds Fanatic]

He is staying in the game

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He is not that hurt. Steals 2nd

[Rantly]

The Reds have 12 announcers, and Doug Flynn has to do the game with Marty tonight?

Agree, he is awfully hard to listen to.

[WrongVerb]

Hamilton not so hurt.

[Tadasimha]

Maybe a cramp

hes safe

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton was about to be caught off but Storman throws to 3rd and Billy easily goes back to 2nd

[votto14]

Quit playing around Hamilton we need a run.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart strikes out swinging

[BCubb2003]

Havoc can be ugly sometimes.

[Tadasimha]

Getting a lousy feed on mlb tv tonight

Got the toronto broadcast - metric bandwidth?

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto grounds out to 3rd as Hamilton goes to 3rd

[reds44]

Marty just said Billy gets a stolen base on that play lol

[Tom Servo]

Marty just said Billy gets a stolen base on that play lol
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/464/14608107_1180665285312703_1558693314_n.jpg

[reds44]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/464/14608107_1180665285312703_1558693314_n.jpg

The fact I'm stuck with audio only in Indianapolis all week is painful

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Duvall!

[votto14]

Duvall!!!! 1-0!

[Reds Fanatic]

Duvall the RBI machine singles to center. 1-0 Reds. Great AB

[ScotlandRed]

Man what a great at bat by Duvall

[Jordan]

Duvall is like Randy Moss: Straight cash, homey.

[Tom Servo]

Duvallomatic

[reds44]

I just dropped $40 on a Reds cammo hat..send help

[votto14]

Most rbi's by a red in a month since 2011 jay Bruce.

[reds44]

Stroman working on a 27 pitch first inning

[Reds Fanatic]

Suarez grounds out to short. 1-0 Reds mid 1st

[Reds Fanatic]

Pillar flies out to right

[Jordan]

One down. Thanks for swinging at ball 4 there.

[votto14]

Bonilla seems wild.

[Reds Fanatic]

Donaldson walks on 4 pitches

[Jordan]

Lisa has no command early. Lucky he didn't walk the leadoff batter. Walks Donaldson on four pitches.

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Couple of nice change-ups gets Lisa up 0-2 on Joey Bat Flip.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bautista grounds into a 1-4 FC

[votto14]

Bonilla has good stuff. It's just his control.

[Jordan]

Nice inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Morales grounds out to Gennett in the shift. 1-0 Reds after 1

[Jordan]

Bonilla has good stuff. It's just his control.

He's got a great change. The rest of his stuff isn't all that good. Fastball that tops out at 93, usually sits around 91. But I will say his fastball does have some movement on it, which is always good.

[mth123]

Most rbi's by a red in a month since 2011 jay Bruce.

Two guys with a .400+ OBP directly ahead of him. It's almost like that matters.

[votto14]

Problem with a change though you leave it up like he has before it gets drilled.

[Reds Fanatic]

Shebler hit it to the warning track in center but Pillar catches it crashing into the fence

[Red Raindog]

Brilliant play by Pillar

[mth123]

I remember reading about Pillar as a prospect. He was considered a guy with not enough pop for a corner and not enough defense for CF. Sounded like they were describing Chris Heisey.

[Reds Fanatic]

Mesoraco strikes out swinging

[Jordan]

Pillar, you "(bleep!)"

Too soon?

[OnBaseMachine]

I thought BABIP was supposed to normalize? It isn't for Schebler. He continues to hit line drives for outs.

[BCubb2003]

Canadian announcers say the warning track is the same stuff as the turf. What would be the point?

[Reds Fanatic]

Scooter strikes out swinging. 1-0 Reds mid 2nd

[Wolves198921]

Bonilla will need his game of the year to beat stroman. Every offense struggles against elite pitchers like Toronto's ace.

[votto14]

Bonilla is all over the place

[Reds Fanatic]

Leadoff single for Smoak

[votto14]

Bonillla is a joke.

[Reds Fanatic]

Martin homers to right. 2-1 Blue Jays

[Wolves198921]

Damn, yeah I'm sorry I just can't see us beating the blue jays.

[OnBaseMachine]

The starting pitching continues to be an embarrassment.

[Tom Servo]

Crowd was pretty slow to react to that.

[Wolves198921]

Bonillla is a joke.
Who in our rotation isn't?

[Jordan]

Goodness. I'm sure they're just going up there looking for his change. Can't blame 'em. That's all Lisa's got.

[reds44]

Bonillla is a joke.

You're a quality poster.

[votto14]

If we had starting pitching we'd be in first place. Just embarrassing.

[Jordan]

We're going to see a lot of RobSteve tonight IMO.

Tulo grounds out.

[votto14]

I'm a realist because our rotation sucks.

[Tom Servo]

If we had starting pitching we'd be in first place. Just embarrassing.
If my aunt had wheels she would be a wagon.

[Jordan]

Great catch by Scheb.

[Reds Fanatic]

Great catch by Schebler on the track

[OnBaseMachine]

I would rather Stephenson start than either Wojo or Bonilla.

Nice play by Schebler.

[Ironman92]

Nice play by Schebler

[Jordan]

Another four-pitch walk.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is so strange not to have dirt on the warning track. Another walk to Carrera

[reds44]

I would rather Stephenson start than either Wojo or Bonilla.

Nice play by Schebler.

He's going to need to be stretched out again before this happens.

[Jordan]

I would rather Stephenson start than either Wojo or Bonilla.

Nice play by Schebler.

Agreed. And I don't even think Stephenson is good or even close.

[votto14]

If my aunt had wheels she would be a wagon.

Wouldn't you be in first place instead of having this starting pitching every night. It gets old.

[Wonderful Monds]

The top two buttons open on a jersey is such a terrible look

Pls ban

[Tom Servo]

Looking more like "Lisalverto Bonilla" is Spanish for "Keyvius Sampson".

[Jordan]

Going to the top of the third -- 2-1 Jays.

[Wonderful Monds]

If my aunt had wheels she would be a wagon.

But would she be in first place tho?

[Reds Fanatic]

Pillar grounds out to 3rd. 2-1 Jays after 2

[Jordan]

Looking more like "Lisalverto Bonilla" is Spanish for "Keyvius Sampson".

Ha, very true.

[Tom Servo]

But would she be in first place tho?
Yes.

[reds44]

Yes.

dibs

[Wonderful Monds]

Joey is so good, other teams let him throw out the first pitch at their own stadiums

[Jordan]

Love it. Votto's high school baseball coach talking about how he's the best Canadian baseball player of all time. Better than Larry Walker.

[Reds Fanatic]

Peraza grounds out back to Stroman who recovers after the ball hits of his leg.

[Tom Servo]

Peraza grounds out back to Stroman who recovers after the ball hits of his leg.
Thought that was a hit off the bat, bleh.

[Reds Fanatic]

Love it. Votto's high school baseball coach talking about how he's the best Canadian baseball player of all time. Better than Larry Walker.

Pretty cool that the Blue Jays let Votto catch the first pitch tonight from that coach

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Hamilton strikes out swinging

[Wonderful Monds]

Joey is already better than Larry Walker tbh

[Reds Fanatic]

Cozart flies out to right. 2-1 Jays mid 3rd

[Jordan]

Stroman is easy to like, even when he's going against your team. Man I'd love to have him on the Reds.

Helps that he was the star of the Team USA squad that won the WBC this year.

[Ironman92]

Looking more like "Lisalverto Bonilla" is Spanish for "Keyvius Sampson".

Had 80's station on XM today and a countdown from 1987 was on and the song by Madonna on that countdown was "La Isla Bonita".....made me think of the Reds pitcher.....but not The pretty island.

[Wonderful Monds]

Has Donaldson been injured? Only 2 HR/4 RBI

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Donaldson

[votto14]

Another hit for the blue jays.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wild pitch moves the runner to 2nd

[votto14]

The way stroman is pitching that should be enough.

[Tom Servo]

Has Donaldson been injured? Only 2 HR/4 RBI
Yes, he just returned.

[Wolves198921]

I think we have a chance Wednesday but it's just bad matchup wise today and tomorrow. Toronto is a good team after their horrific start. Luckily everyone ahead of us in the division lost too so today won't hurt us.

[Reds Fanatic]

Walk to Bautista

[votto14]

Bonilla is just bad.

[Jordan]

Is RobSteve warming up yet?

[votto14]

Won't hurt us but we could be in first place if we had starting pitching.

[reds44]

Bonilla is just bad.

Please, keep these productive posts coming.

[Jordan]

Bonilla is just bad.

Everyone knows man. No one thinks he's good.

[Jordan]

Lisa's fastball is so bad he's throwing breaking balls on 3-1 counts with no outs and runners on first and second.

[Reds Fanatic]

Another walk. This is about to get ugly

[votto14]

It's just sad when you can't compete or stay in a game because of starting pitching. That's why I'm pissed.

[Wonderful Monds]

Is RobSteve warming up yet?


Yes

[Red Raindog]

I'm near getting some beer and a fishing pole

[Jordan]

Yep. There's your RobSteve as predicted. We'll see him soon.

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I'm near getting some beer and a fishing pole

What are you fishing for? And can I come?

[reds44]

It's just sad when you can't compete or stay in a game because of starting pitching. That's why I'm pissed.

Nobody enjoys our starting pitching. We all know it's bad.

[WrongVerb]

Yep. The league, they say, has caught up with our latest AAAA rotation experiment.

[Tom Servo]

Yep. The league, they say, has caught up with our latest AAAA rotation experiment.
Keep churning em.

[WrongVerb]

If only someone who shall remain nameless hadn't spent all winter saying the Reds needed to pick up a cost-controlled, established starter.

[Reds Fanatic]

3-1 Jays on a ground out to Votto who saved more runs with a diving stop

[Red Raindog]

Yep. There's your RobSteve as predicted. We'll see him soon.

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What are you fishing for? And can I come?

Bass or bluegill with a fly rod

Won't even care if they bite

[Wolves198921]

The entire NL central sucks, it's almost like the winner should get the four seed automatically instead of the wild card team. The AL East fans must be thinking man I wish we could be in their division.

[reds44]

Yep. The league, they say, has caught up with our latest AAAA rotation experiment.

Short of his first start, was he ever ahead of the completion?

[WrongVerb]

Keep churning em.

Well, Wojo has about 3-4 starts, then what?

[votto14]

Marty is pissed at Bonilla.

[Tom Servo]

If only someone who shall remain nameless hadn't spent all winter saying the Reds needed to pick up a cost-controlled, established starter.
Quintana's 4.82 ERA would surely fit in with this motley crew.

[Jordan]

If only someone who shall remain nameless hadn't spent all winter saying the Reds needed to pick up a cost-controlled, established starter.

He obviously would have got hurt, so that would have been dumb.

;)

[WrongVerb]

Short of his first start, was he ever ahead of the completion?

I don't think he was ahead in his first start (which I attended, btw). That was the day after the night of the 17 inning game in SF and the competition was either not on the field or exhausted.

[Reds Fanatic]

Martin hit by the pitch and that is it for Bonilla

[Jordan]

And here comes RobSteve!

[Tom Servo]

Well, Wojo has about 3-4 starts, then what?
Find another guy. We're killing time until the vets are healthy or the kids are ready.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Atrocious.

[Red Raindog]

Get the victim in from Louisville

[WrongVerb]

Quintana's 4.82 ERA would surely fit in with this motley crew.

Meh. That's a counter-factual. It's much more likely that he'd have gotten hurt...erm, I mean pitched better. :)

[Tadasimha]

Marty is pissed.

You didnt need to say anymore

[Wonderful Monds]

I'm not doing anything most every 5th day and I'm in the area

just sayin

[_Sir_Charles_]

Bonilla seems wild.

2 innings later...still seems quite true. He gone. Mr. Stephenson to the bump.

[Fil3232]

Small quibble, but I wish Price had a quicker hook with these guys. Let Stephenson, who has control issues of his own, cone on with first base open. We all knew Bonilla wasn't long for this game.

[Wolves198921]

I think the strategy for us fans is to watch when we are hitting, turn the channel when we are pitching.

[Wonderful Monds]

lol

[BluegrassRedleg]

From awful to awfuler.

[Jordan]

Grand slam. Damn.

[votto14]

That should do it. I'm turning this **** off.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is it for tonight. Grand slam by Tulo. 7-1

[Red Raindog]

I'm gone
Might check in later

[reds44]

Oops

[Tom Servo]

Toronto does this to us whenever we play em.

[BluegrassRedleg]

BobOndrusek

[WrongVerb]

Sigh, eh.

[reds44]

"I'd rather stephenson starts"

Gives up grand slam on his second pitch lol

[Wonderful Monds]

BobSteve suxx

[Wolves198921]

Well I'll be seeing you all tomorrow. Tonight is a good night for Toronto, their fans, and the Reds front office.

[WrongVerb]

Stephenson pitches better with more work. And Price brings him in with the bases loaded after an 8 day layoff. Smart.

[votto14]

It's sad man. We did't go after a dang starting pitcher and we was stuck with this mess. It's every dang night. That's why I'm frustrated.

[Tom Servo]

I mean, Stephenson only gave up a HR. I'm not mad at him for the other 3 runners scoring.

[reds44]

Stephenson pitches better with more work. And Price brings him in with the bases loaded after an 8 day layoff. Smart.

Is there literally anything that proves this?

He needs to go AAA and be a starter

[OnBaseMachine]

Dude hasn't pitched in eight days.

This starting pitching is an embarrassment. A collection of below average stuff, below average control pitchers. I would rather watch a guy serve of 500-foot home runs than pitch around every single hitter.

[reds44]

I mean, Stephenson only gave up a HR. I'm not mad at him for the other 3 runners scoring.

He's got a 6.75 ERA, he's given up plenty of runs to be mad at him for lol

[votto14]

This is embarrassing.

[Ironman92]

At this date 30 years ago Eric Davis had 18 HR, 36 RBI, 41 runs, 21 SB batting .355 with a 1.235 OPS

in 40 games

[Tom Servo]

This starting pitching is an embarrassment. A collection of below average stuff, below average control pitchers. I would rather watch a guy serve of 500-foot home runs than pitch around every single hitter.
Well yeah, everyone good is on the DL.

[_Sir_Charles_]

At this point, I don't really give a damned about Stephenson's results. It's his lack of work that concerns me at this point. If he's not going to get regular work...send him down so he can.

[Tom Servo]

He's got a 6.75 ERA, he's given up plenty of runs to be mad at him for lol
True, he belongs in AAA.

[BluegrassRedleg]

At this date 30 years ago Eric Davis had 18 HR, 36 RBI, 41 runs, 21 SB batting .355 with a 1.235 OPS

in 40 games

And about 3-4 HR thefts.

[Mitri]

Stephenson is horrible. Needs work in AAA. There's really no defending him anymore.

Bonilla was awful to begin with, better in the spot Stephenson is currently in as mop-up.

[OnBaseMachine]

Stephenson needs to be starting in AAA. The current plan for him sucks.

[BCubb2003]

"I'd rather stephenson starts"

Gives up grand slam on his second pitch lol

That wouldn't happen if he starts.

[RedTeamGo!]

Let's go Predators! Beat Pittsburgh!!

[Fil3232]

Well yeah, everyone good is on the DL. Right. And at this point, is it even news that they stink? I don't understand what people expect.

[Tom Servo]

Stephenson is horrible. Needs work in AAA. There's really no defending him anymore.

He's bad, but it's pretty easy to defend him. He's 24 and has stuff.

[RedTeamGo!]

This is embarrassing.

This is baseball.

[PutPeteIn]

The Bonilla Experiment is over.
He is probably being optioned to L'Ville as I type.
Guaranteed he won't be with the club come tomorrow morning.

[reds44]

I'm not sure the worst thing in the world wouldn't be for the reds to lose 6 in a row or 8 out of 10. Kill any of this silly talk of them half competing. Trade Cozart ASAP, etc.

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The Bonilla Experiment is over.
He is probably being optioned to L'Ville as I type.
Guaranteed he won't be with the club come tomorrow morning.

Legit who else is there to start games at this point? Only way he goes down is if Amir can make his next start.

[Tom Servo]

Nice single for Geno

[PutPeteIn]

No the beauty is we will still be within 2.5 come tomorrow morning.
Let the rest of the Division keep losing while the 4 Horseman continue to rehab.

[InsaneinthBrame]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a pitcher like Straily starting every 5th day instead of Bonilla

[Tom Servo]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a pitcher like Straily starting every 5th day instead of Bonilla
I'd rather have Luis Castillo and Austin Brice.

[WrongVerb]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a pitcher like Straily starting every 5th day instead of Bonilla

I'd rather have Brice and Castillo in the system.

[Wonderful Monds]

No the beauty is we will still be within 2.5 come tomorrow morning.
Let these morons keep losing while the 4 Horseman continue to rehab.

http://i.imgur.com/IewWynQ.jpg

[reds44]

Wouldn't it be nice to have a pitcher like Straily starting every 5th day instead of Bonilla

Nah

[WrongVerb]

I'd rather have Luis Castillo and Austin Brice.

Jinx!

[reds44]

"The four horsemen" lol

[Tom Servo]

"The four horsemen" lol
If Homer Bailey, Anthony DeSclafani, Brandon Finnegan, and Amir Garrett isn't a World Series winning rotation, I don't know what is.

[Kc61]

Stephenson needs to be starting in AAA. The current plan for him sucks.

Frankly I don't understand what the current plan for Stephenson is. Mop up every once in awhile?

If he's a reliever he needs to pitch more, if a starter send him to AAA.

Not apparent to me what is being accomplished.

[reds44]

If Homer Bailey, Anthony DeSclafani, Brandon Finnegan, and Amir Garrett isn't a World Series winning rotation, I don't know what is.

That's Homer "pretty much hasn't pitched in three years" Bailey and Amir "more ready than Kris Bryant" Garrett to you, sir

[Tom Servo]

Schebler makes that catch.

[RedTeamGo!]

PK!!!!

[InsaneinthBrame]

Analytically it is likely that Straily will be more valuable than Castillo or Brice. I could understand if Straily was not under control for 4 years
Brice is a reliever.
Castillo is likely to be ineffective/injured/or become a reliever.
It is just the nature of pitching prospects just look at our prospects the last couple of years.

[Wonderful Monds]

Stephenson half way through the HR allowed cycle lol

[Tom Servo]

yikes

[reds44]

It's because he hasn't pitched in 8 days, im told

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Gotta just leave BobSteve out there to eat this one and then send him down tomorrow, no?

[RedTeamGo!]

Stephenson up to a 7.61 ERA.

He is bad and he should feel bad.

[Wonderful Monds]

Pictured: a better pitcher than BobSteve

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1365/2497/products/creepy-horse-man-puppet_grande.jpg

[Tom Servo]

Analytically it is likely that Straily will be more valuable than Castillo or Brice. I could understand if Straily was not under control for 4 years
Brice is a reliever.
Castillo is likely to be ineffective/injured/or become a reliever.
It is just the nature of pitching prospects just look at our prospects the last couple of years.
Straily could also get hurt. He could have gotten hurt like every other Reds pitcher in spring training. He also is walking more batters than ever and benefitting from pitching in Miami's ballpark.

I know a lot of Reds fans are still operating under "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" thought, but it's a rebuild. You don't keep guys who aren't going to be big parts of your next great team.

[reds44]

Straily could also get hurt. He could have gotten hurt like every other Reds pitcher in spring training. He also is walking more batters than ever and benefitting from pitching in Miami's ballpark.

I know a lot of Reds fans are still operating under "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" thought, but it's a rebuild. You don't keep guys who aren't going to be big parts of your next great team.

They're competing this year, dood

[Wonderful Monds]

Straily could also get hurt. He could have gotten hurt like every other Reds pitcher in spring training. He also is walking more batters than ever and benefitting from pitching in Miami's ballpark.

I know a lot of Reds fans are still operating under "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" thought, but it's a rebuild. You don't keep guys who aren't going to be big parts of your next great team.

I'm not gonna be part of the next great Reds team

Are you saying they should trade me, Tom?

[WrongVerb]

I'm out

[Wonderful Monds]

I'm out

Clearly you weren't facing BobSteve

[Tom Servo]

I'm not gonna be part of the next great Reds team

Are you saying they should trade me, Tom?
Yes, with extreme prejudice.

[M2]

I know I'm late to the party with this, but I fear it could be Lisalverto Bonilla's last start for the Reds. In case it is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlnoIKaPTSY

[Tadasimha]

Is the 5th Inning too early for rally caps?

Apparently yes

[TheBigLebowski]

Stephenson is crap.

[klw]

Rally time:
https://theroyalstew.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/fat-royals-fan.gif

[OnBaseMachine]

Brutal. It's a miracle this team is only a game (now two) under .500.

[RedTeamGo!]

I'm not gonna be part of the next great Reds team

Are you saying they should trade me, Tom?

They got a really good young pitcher for Straily. Castillo throws 100 mph. That trade was a no brainer, didn't even have anything to do with the rebuild. You make that trade if you are any team in baseball. I'm still scratching my head as to why the marlins accepted it.

[Wonderful Monds]

They got a really good young pitcher for Straily. Castillo throws 100 mph. That trade was a no brainer, didn't even have anything to do with the rebuild. You make that trade if you are team in baseball. I'm still scratching my head as to why the marlins accepted it.

I'm glad you think I have any trade value ;>

[Tadasimha]

I'm glad you think I have any trade value ;>

Every team needs an extra bucket of baseballs
;)

[Tom Servo]

They'd have to stretch him out pitch count wise but it might not be the worst idea to check out Austin Brice as a starter given the dearth of options. That was his role as a pitcher until around this time last year when Miami moved him to relief.

[Wonderful Monds]

New strategy: let every Blur Jay hit the ball as hard as they can, hope they run themselves into an out at 2B

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And he balks home a run because this game hasn't gone FUBAR enough yet lol

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And *now* Suarez obstructs the runner during the rundown to give him third

[CincyDave]

Robert Stevenson is one horrid pitcher.

[Ironman92]

Flipping pump fake on the rundown if the runner is looking at you smh

Ridiculous

[reds44]

This is gonna hurt the ole run differential

[Tom Servo]

Well the Reds got the entire fanbase to hate Reed and Stephenson before they're even 25, so we got that going for us.

[RedsManRick]

Well, this was not the right game to go to. Ugliest game I've ever seen in person.

[reds44]

Well the Reds got the entire fanbase to hate Reed and Stephenson before they're even 25, so we got that going for us.

I'm not blaming the reds for the fans being dumb. They handling of BobSteve this year has been...odd, but he started to tank long ago.

[Ironman92]

Not sure why 100% of that blame went to Stepenson

[InsaneinthBrame]

I think people over value Castillo because he can throw 100. He is likely destined for the pen.
With the top 3 offense, defense/ Pen I think the rebuild is over.
BTW Straily walk were mostly in two games including the first one of the year.
He could be part of a rotation competing for 2018-2021.
The Park factor gets over blown.

[RedTeamGo!]

This is where I'm at with Stephenson:

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/a2/a2cc581e23ade96b69bc94f78ed28689f14a2a0dc65d5664d5 b46102747afe6f.jpg

[reds44]

Well, this was not the right game to go to. Ugliest game I've ever seen in person.

Drink more

[lnn6574]

Neither of them has shown us much in the way of coming close to the expectations that came with them.


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[Kc61]

Stephenson last pitched on 5/21 v. Rockies 1.2 innings. Then an 8 day lay off.

5/29, tonight, he's brought in to face Tulowitski with the bases loaded.

I'm not defending him, he's inconsistent and often terrible. But I just don't see a coherent plan for him.

Tonight he looks like a guy in a dead arm period of spring training. Had nothing.

Dick Williams needs to take charge of this situation and change something. Or just dump the kid off and let another team work with him.

Frustrating.

[reds44]

8.39 ERA for stephenson now.

In a season of bad pitching, I think he's got the highest ERA.

[RedTeamGo!]

He is likely destined for the pen

What are you basing this on?

[RiverRat13]

Maybe this type of beating is what Stephenson needed. You know, darkest before the dawn and all that.

#graspingatstraws

[reds44]

Stephenson last pitched on 5/21 v. Rockies 1.2 innings. Then an 8 day lay off.

5/29, tonight, he's brought in to face Tulowitski with the bases loaded.

I'm not defending him, he's inconsistent and often terrible. But I just don't see a coherent plan for him.

Tonight he looks like a guy in a dead arm period of spring training.

Dick Williams needs to take charge of this situation and change something. Or just dump the kid off and let another team work with him.

Frustrating.
8.39 era

There's only so many excuses you can make for a guy.

[Ironman92]

19 base runners in 4 1/3 innings...not bad

[Tom Servo]

I'm not blaming the reds for the fans being dumb. They handling of BobSteve this year has been...odd, but he started to tank long ago.
I mean, he's not very good results wise. He hasn't figured out how to get AAA batters out consistently, not sure why there was a belief he could handle big league hitters.

Obviously they need to pitch better. But the Reds have been total masochists with them.

[Wonderful Monds]

Isn't BobSteve out of options after this year? I have no idea why he's still with the Reds.

[M2]

Well, this was not the right game to go to. Ugliest game I've ever seen in person.

To be fair, you probably walked in with a strong feeling of dread knowing the starting pitching matchup.

[reds44]

Buchanan threw 7 innings his last outing. If he doesn't get his brains beat in too, he should be able to eat innings.

[CincyDave]

Not sure why 100% of that blame went to Stepenson

I don't care that he's "only 24". I don't care that he "has to come in from the bullpen". He's been a professional pitcher for, what, six years? That's long enough to be something above atrocious. Not expecting Sandy Koufax, but this??

[CincyDave]

Some were thinking that after the last beating... or the one before that.

[RedTeamGo!]

I feel bad for the guy, honestly. I'd be crying right now, he has to know his career is going nowhere.

[reds44]

I mean, he's not very good results wise. He hasn't figured out how to get AAA batters out consistently, not sure why there was a belief he could handle big league hitters.

Obviously they need to pitch better. But the Reds have been total masochists with them.
I'm not saying this has been a good idea, it hasn't.

I will say this though, it looks like, to me at least, he at least has somewhat improved his control. It'll be interesting to see if that carries over when he gets sent down and starts again.

With Buchanan here, i really see no reason why BobSteve is a red tomorrow.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Lance McAlister @LanceMcAlister
59s
In last 41 games, total number of wins recorded by #Reds SP younger than 29 years old is 2.(Garrett/Davis each have 1).
-Per listener Jeff

[Wonderful Monds]

Joey dropping sweet quality coffee knowledge in that FSO blurb

He definitely reads Redszone, that seals the deal for me hahaha

[OnBaseMachine]

Remember when Stephenson was supposedly the best arm to come through the Reds organization in like 40 years? Good times.

[RiverRat13]

Eight of Stephenson's last nine appearances were during losses, with the one win a 14-2 blowout. It's pretty clear what his role is: mop-up guy. He hasn't pitched in eight days because this is the first mop-up opportunity in eight days. I'm fine with people saying that's not the best way to develop him, but you can't say there isn't a plan for his usage.

[reds44]

Lance McAlister @LanceMcAlister
59s
In last 41 games, total number of wins recorded by #Reds SP younger than 29 years old is 2.(Garrett/Davis each have 1).
-Per listener Jeff

This shouldn't surprise anyone. Literally every young starting pitcher the Reds have called upon this year has been ass. Amir has been slightly less assy than the rest.

It's a huge concern. It's why Cozart HAS to be traded for pitching. It's why there's a 40 page thread talking about trading Duvall.

The 2017 Reds are better than the 2016 Reds. If they don't find guys to take the ball for them every fifth day though, it won't matter.

[Wonderful Monds]

Drake partied with the Reds lmao

Jim Kelch erasing any doubt that he's literally made out of white bread

[RedTeamGo!]

Remember when Stephenson was supposedly the best arm to come through the Reds organization in like 40 years? Good times.

In the end he is almost as good as 3 time cy young winning pitcher Zach Stewart!

[M2]

With Buchanan here, i really see no reason why BobSteve is a red tomorrow.

Because Lisalverto Bonilla may be first into the ejector seat.

[Kc61]

8.39 era

There's only so many excuses you can make for a guy.

Ok, he's not excused.

But the Reds still need a better approach with him.

The idea of using him in relief, IMO, was conditioned on actually using him.

If they aren't going to use him two-three times a week, then send him down and let him pitch in the minors.

They cannot expect this guy to develop consistency with 8-day layoffs. That gives him zero chance IMO.

[Wonderful Monds]

Duvall dongs one

[Fil3232]

Times like these I think how incredible that 2012 rotation was.

[PutPeteIn]

Nice outing by Stevenson. What a failure.

[Tom Servo]

This shouldn't surprise anyone. Literally every young starting pitcher the Reds have called upon this year has been ass. Amir has been slightly less assy than the rest.

It's a huge concern. It's why Cozart HAS to be traded for pitching. It's why there's a 40 page thread talking about trading Duvall.

The 2017 Reds are better than the 2016 Reds. If they don't find guys to take the ball for them every fifth day though, it won't matter.
Rushing these guys has been a big part of the problem. Reed is the only one where there was reasonable reason to expect solid performance but even then he has just started to face adversity in Triple A when the Reds called him up. Garrett, Stephenson, Romano, and Davis all had things left to accomplish in Triple A. Hell Rookie hadn't even mastered Double A.

[InsaneinthBrame]

I think the way they have used Reed and Stephenson seems almost criminal from the outside. It seems like both have lost a lot of trade value.
I think we may be forced to consider trading Senzel to actually fix the starting pitching mess especially if injured pitchers do not come back or somer starters start stepping up in the minors.

[M2]

It's why Cozart HAS to be traded for pitching.

They're not going to get much for him. A Castillo-type prospect would be a huge win and probably the absolute most we should hope for.

If you really want to see the team deal for meaningful pitching, then it needs to be willing to move a younger, everyday player.

[Wonderful Monds]

we may be forced to consider trading Senzel

narp