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klw
06-12-2017, 09:15 PM
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Hamilton
Future Donkey Owner
Votto
Duvall
Suarez
Schebler
Peraza
Barnhart
Arroyo





Not to be confused with the Greenies back in the 60s

Tracy Jones
06-12-2017, 09:47 PM
So Greene is starting tonight right?

PutPeteIn
06-12-2017, 10:10 PM
So Greene is starting tonight right?

Naw Greene is still too green.

Tadasimha
06-12-2017, 10:25 PM
Walks will haunt

Schebler delivers two!

Tadasimha
06-12-2017, 10:27 PM
dp

durl
06-12-2017, 10:49 PM
Sad to say, but it's pretty clear Arroyo's time is over.

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lnn6574
06-12-2017, 10:50 PM
For those that despise bunting.... see what the Padres are doing.


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Red Raindog
06-12-2017, 10:51 PM
Bronson
I truly enjoyed watching you pitch for the Reds your first time but not so much this time.
It's time man


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durl
06-12-2017, 10:51 PM
So is that an E on Peralta?

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lnn6574
06-12-2017, 10:52 PM
When they do a Peraza bobblehead it should have a ball glancing of his glove. It happens a lot.


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The Operator
06-12-2017, 10:53 PM
Arroyo is just sad to watch these days.

A great Red, but his time is over.

DocRed
06-12-2017, 10:53 PM
Arroyo would not get this benefit of the doubt on any other MLB roster...let's be honest. It's time to call out Price....

Tom Servo
06-12-2017, 10:54 PM
Gotta pull the plug on this Arroyo thing.

durl
06-12-2017, 10:54 PM
Arroyo has given up enough runs to win a game and we're 1 1/3 in.

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PutPeteIn
06-12-2017, 10:55 PM
Time for Bronson to hit the road.
The 85 mph was fast 100 yrs ago...not now.

lnn6574
06-12-2017, 10:56 PM
And for good measure, they should do an Aroyo bobblehead that bounces to the back of the figurine.


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The Operator
06-12-2017, 10:56 PM
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/29/293344f48efe539b968f7883b2585494bf7426c9d092c7af89 4a1efd0b14aba4.jpg

Tom Servo
06-12-2017, 10:57 PM
ERA back up over 7.00

DocRed
06-12-2017, 10:58 PM
Time for Bronson to hit the road.
The 85 mph was fast 100 yrs ago...not now.
Arroyo is trying his best...this is on Price IMO

Red Raindog
06-12-2017, 10:58 PM
Leave him in much longer and they'll need to go into the stands to retrieve some baseballs in order to continue the game


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757690
06-12-2017, 10:59 PM
Reds do not have better options right now. Arroyo will be gone as soon as one of the injured arms gets back, but not before then.

The Operator
06-12-2017, 10:59 PM
Votto hits a GABP homer

The Operator
06-12-2017, 11:03 PM
Guys you gotta stop swinging for the fences in these west coast parks.

texasdave
06-12-2017, 11:05 PM
San Diego has the worst offense in the bigs, and yet they are taking Bronson out to the woodshed. Enough.

The Operator
06-12-2017, 11:09 PM
Are you freaking kidding me.

That's gonna be a blooper reel highlight for years.


5 guys let a pop up fall between them. Wow.

Red Raindog
06-12-2017, 11:09 PM
And now the whole infield screws it up


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Tom Servo
06-12-2017, 11:09 PM
That was embarrassing

757690
06-12-2017, 11:10 PM
THats on Cozart. He's the infield captain. Needs to take charge.

Kc61
06-12-2017, 11:11 PM
Reds do not have better options right now. Arroyo will be gone as soon as one of the injured arms gets back, but not before then.

Arroyo is on track to allow 56.5 homers over a 162 game season. That would be the most in baseball history. His ERA is 6.95.

The Operator
06-12-2017, 11:12 PM
More warning track power as the guys continue to long for being in GABP

This time Schebler makes a long out, joining Votto and Suarez from last inning.

Tom Servo
06-12-2017, 11:12 PM
thought Scheb had #19

757690
06-12-2017, 11:13 PM
Arroyo is on track to allow 56.5 homers over a 162 game season. That would be the most in baseball history. His ERA is 6.95.

Then by all means keep him in the rotation all season long. I want to see that record broken ;)

The Operator
06-12-2017, 11:13 PM
Arroyo is on track to allow 56.5 homers over a 162 game season. That would be the most in baseball history. His ERA is 6.95.

Somewhere Jose Lima is saying "Come on, let him keep pitching."

kaldaniels
06-12-2017, 11:14 PM
Arroyo is trying his best...this is on Price IMO

I fail to blame Price on this one. It's on the front office. Price is just playing the company man...as any non-elite manager would do.

BCubb2003
06-12-2017, 11:15 PM
THats on Cozart. He's the infield captain. Needs to take charge.

I think that was scored E-6-5-4-3-2-1.

Kc61
06-12-2017, 11:16 PM
Somewhere Jose Lima is saying "Come on, let him keep pitching."

It isn't Lima. He's close, but it's Blyleven.

Look, I just shut off the game. I don't usually do that. But I can't watch Bronson throw Home Run Derby any more.

I don't care if they have to start Hunter Greene in five days. It's time for Bronson and the Reds to end this thing.

Chip R
06-12-2017, 11:19 PM
Aw, c'mon, guys. Doesn't it warm the cockles of your hearts to see Bronson out there? Doesn't it remind you of the good old days? So he gives up a few dozen home runs. The nostalgia factor should override that.

The Operator
06-12-2017, 11:20 PM
It isn't Lima. He's close, but it's Blyleven.

Look, I just shut off the game. I don't usually do that. But I can't watch Bronson throw Home Run Derby any more.

I don't care if they have to start Hunter Greene in five days. It's time for Bronson and the Reds to end this thing.
Yea I couldn't remember if it was Lima, I thought maybe someone had him beat but I knew he was close.

I still have vivid memories of that 2000 season he had, 2000 was the season when I went from casual baseball fan to lifer.


And now Bronson gives up run #8. Just make it stop.

Kc61
06-12-2017, 11:21 PM
I fail to blame Price on this one. It's on the front office. Price is just playing the company man...as any non-elite manager would do.

We all understand the pitching shortage. The youth wasn't ready and the injuries piled up.

But if this was pitcher John Doe he would have been DFA'd by now.

I admire Bronson, he's had a great career, but the Reds owe it to the fans to end this, now.

marcshoe
06-12-2017, 11:21 PM
I love Bronson. We all love Bronson. Just like the boy in that movie loved Ol' Yeller.

The Operator
06-12-2017, 11:22 PM
I could honestly see Bronson retiring after this. The Reds have shown no inclination to put him out of his misery, and he's a guy with a considerable amount of pride. This can't be easy for him.


Didn't he say at one point that he wouldn't hang around if he wasn't effective?

757690
06-12-2017, 11:22 PM
Right now, the options to replace Arroyo are Bonilla, Reed and Stephenson. Maybe Bonilla comes back, but he's actually been just as bad as Arroyo.

PutPeteIn
06-12-2017, 11:24 PM
Sad the Reds have had so many major injuries to the rotation and guys like Reed and RobSteve and Bonilla and Davis have screwed the pooch so much that the Reds have little choice but to run Arroyo out there every5th day.

However, with Bailey and Finny nearing their returns I think Arroyo is done then.

marcshoe
06-12-2017, 11:26 PM
Right now, the options to replace Arroyo are Bonilla, Reed and Stephenson. Maybe Bonilla comes back, but he's actually been just as bad as Arroyo.

Sal Romano?

The Operator
06-12-2017, 11:27 PM
Arroyo bats for himself and will pitch the 5th.


Looks like the proverbial take one for the team game. His ERA may be north of 9.00 before the night's over.

PutPeteIn
06-12-2017, 11:27 PM
Hamilton is clueless at the dish these days.

Kc61
06-12-2017, 11:27 PM
Right now, the options to replace Arroyo are Bonilla, Reed and Stephenson. Maybe Bonilla comes back, but he's actually been just as bad as Arroyo.

75, I don't care what the options are. This has to end.

Arroyo is allowing homers at a historic pace. With due respect to Bronson, It's Home Run Derby out there.

Bailey should be ready in a couple of weeks. Use Bonilla for a few starts. He may not be good, but he hasn't allowed 22 homers in early June.

This must end.

757690
06-12-2017, 11:31 PM
75, I don't care what the options are. This has to end.

Arroyo is allowing homers at a historic pace. With respect to Bronson, he just isn't a major league pitcher any more. It's Home Run Derby out there.

Bailey should be ready in a couple of weeks. Use Bonilla for a few starts. He may not be good, but he hasn't allowed 22 homers in early June.

This must end.

He hasn't been a major league pitcher all season long. I am not sure why tonight is the breaking point.

Arroyo gives the team 5 plus innings a start. At the beginning of the season, that was all that was asked of him.

Who cares if it's Arroyo or Bonilla getting bombed?

lnn6574
06-12-2017, 11:32 PM
It's official. The Reds have named Bronson Aroyo the pitcher for Octobers Swing for your seats event.


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The Operator
06-12-2017, 11:33 PM
9-2

reds44
06-12-2017, 11:34 PM
are we all done acting like this team is anything other than bad?

The Operator
06-12-2017, 11:36 PM
Perdomo triples and that's it for Bronson.

Tom Servo
06-12-2017, 11:36 PM
are we all done acting like this team is anything other than bad?
But mah playoff run

reds44
06-12-2017, 11:37 PM
But mah playoff run
They'll get an unproven pitcher back and a guy who has barely pitched in 3 years and will still have 3 black holes in the rotation soon though!!!

757690
06-12-2017, 11:37 PM
are we all done acting like this team is anything other than bad?

Add a couple of decent starters and it's a good team.

Kc61
06-12-2017, 11:37 PM
He hasn't been a major league pitcher all season long. I am not sure why tonight is the breaking point.

Arroyo gives the team 5 plus innings a start. At the beginning of the season, that was all that was asked of him.

Who cares if it's Arroyo or Bonilla getting bombed?

I'm not going to argue with you. There comes a time when you must make a change. We are at that point.

Bonilla is a relatively young pitcher, let him get some experience for a few weeks. Or bring up Deck McGuire for two weeks. Or somebody else.

Tom Servo
06-12-2017, 11:38 PM
Add a couple of decent starters and it's a good team.
They got decent starting pitching yesterday.

reds44
06-12-2017, 11:39 PM
Add a couple of decent starters and it's a good team.

No. They literally need 5 starting pitchers right now. Bailey and Finnegan do not make it a good team. If you add Bailey, Finnegan, and Disco this team is probably a .500 team.

757690
06-12-2017, 11:39 PM
They got decent starting pitching yesterday.

And 9 times out of 10 they will win that game with this pen.

757690
06-12-2017, 11:42 PM
No. They literally need 5 starting pitchers right now. Bailey and Finnegan do not make it a good team. If you add Bailey, Finnegan, and Disco this team is probably a .500 team.

Literally, the facts don't back this up.

Feldman has been as solid middle rotation starter, and Aldeman has been a solid back of the rotation starter. Go check their stats. Add a healthy Bailey and Finnegan, and that's a competitive rotation.

marcshoe
06-12-2017, 11:43 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/reds-sal-romano-tosses-five-innings-in-triple-a-start/

757690
06-12-2017, 11:44 PM
I'm not going to argue with you. There comes a time when you must make a change. We are at that point.

Bonilla is a relatively young pitcher, let him get some experience for a few weeks. Or bring up Deck McGuire for two weeks. Or somebody else.

I understand the frustration. It's hard to watch games like this. I have no problem with Arroyo retiring after this game. I just don't see it happening. I do see it happening as soon as one of the injured starters is back, which is very soon.

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http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/reds-sal-romano-tosses-five-innings-in-triple-a-start/

If he's healthy, and the team thinks he's ready, bring him up.

marcshoe
06-12-2017, 11:45 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/08/1412741859816_Image_galleryImage_No_Merchandising_ Editoria.JPG

WVRedsFan
06-12-2017, 11:46 PM
Why did they let Bronson get his brains beat out like that. Shameful. He deserves more respect than that. He had nothing.

Tom Servo
06-12-2017, 11:50 PM
He deserves more respect than that.
Nah, he's a charity case to begin with.

Tony Cloninger
06-12-2017, 11:50 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/08/1412741859816_Image_galleryImage_No_Merchandising_ Editoria.JPG

Minimize your exposure?

puca
06-12-2017, 11:51 PM
I understand the frustration. It's hard to watch games like this. I have no problem with Arroyo retiring after this game. I just don't see it happening. I do see it happening as soon as one of the injured starters is back, which is very soon.

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If he's healthy, and the team thinks he's ready, bring him up.

He's barely a week off the DL after a bout of shoulder soreness. He didn't exactly pitch well yesterday. By all means bring him up.

WVRedsFan
06-12-2017, 11:53 PM
Nah, he's a charity case to begin with.You can look at it that way, but he is a fan favorite and contributed for years. I really think he should have been pulled in inning 2.

Tom Servo
06-12-2017, 11:55 PM
You can look at it that way, but he is a fan favorite and contributed for years. I really think he should have been pulled in inning 2.
I think he doesn't belong on the field.

Tony Cloninger
06-12-2017, 11:58 PM
Raisor said he is not being released. Raisor seems to know more than us. Raisor is Dick Williams.

757690
06-13-2017, 12:00 AM
Raisor said he is not being released. Raisor seems to know more than us. Raisor is Dick Williams.

I agree he won't be released. He'll retire.

Tom Servo
06-13-2017, 12:01 AM
Scheb with a lil BABIP luck finally on a bouncer up the middle.

reds44
06-13-2017, 12:02 AM
Literally, the facts don't back this up.

Feldman has been as solid middle rotation starter, and Aldeman has been a solid back of the rotation starter. Go check their stats. Add a healthy Bailey and Finnegan, and that's a competitive rotation.

Best of luck to you if you think a rotation which is 60% broken down Homer Bailey, Scott Feldman, and Tim Adleman is a legit good team.

Not even going to bother arguing that with you.

PutPeteIn
06-13-2017, 12:03 AM
Rotation heading into July August and September:
Finnegan
Bailey
Feldman
Adleman
Garrett

reds44
06-13-2017, 12:05 AM
Rotation heading into July August and September:
Finnegan
Bailey
Feldman
Adleman
Garrett
Relatively unknown
Broken down
Traded
Below average
Bad

marcshoe
06-13-2017, 12:07 AM
He's barely a week off the DL after a bout of shoulder soreness. He didn't exactly pitch well yesterday. By all means bring him up.

I didn't realize he made the start yesterday. It looks like he had a bad first, then settled down a bit before giving up a couple of runs in the fifth. A bunch of unearned runs as well. Nine hits in five innings, but only one walk. Likely not ready yet, but on his way, perhaps.

I realize the Reds don't have good options right now, but I don't see how Arroyo is an option either. He's a white flag, practically a guaranteed loss.

WVRedsFan
06-13-2017, 12:07 AM
I think he doesn't belong on the field.No doubt about it, but still...Remember who put him out there.

757690
06-13-2017, 12:08 AM
Best of luck to you if you think a rotation which is 60% broken down Homer Bailey, Scott Feldman, and Tim Adleman is a legit good team.

Not even going to bother arguing that with you.

Reds are hovering around .500 with 100 pure crap in the most of their rotation spots. Put somewhere above replacement level starters in those slots, and it's an above .500 team.

PutPeteIn
06-13-2017, 12:10 AM
Reds are hovering around .500 with 100 pure crap in the most of their rotation spots. Put somewhere above replacement level starters in those slots, and it's an above .500 team.

3.5 out with 99 to play.

reds44
06-13-2017, 12:11 AM
3.5 out with 99 to play.

Because the division is horrible. Nothing more, nothing less.

757690
06-13-2017, 12:13 AM
Because the division is horrible. Nothing more, nothing less.

All the more reason to be optimistic

reds44
06-13-2017, 12:15 AM
All the more reason to be optimistic
good luck

The Operator
06-13-2017, 12:17 AM
Don't worry guys, Blake Wood is in the game.

The epic comeback starts here.

757690
06-13-2017, 12:17 AM
good luck

Thanks :)

Good luck to you too :)

50YrRedsFan
06-13-2017, 12:18 AM
I love Bronson. We all love Bronson. Just like the boy in that movie loved Ol' Yeller.

Kevin Corcoran............He's dead

Ron Madden
06-13-2017, 12:18 AM
No doubt about it, but still...Remember who put him out there.

Big Bob wanted Bronson signed before Spring Training.
The GM and the Manager are following orders from the owner.

marcshoe
06-13-2017, 12:20 AM
Kevin Corcoran............He's dead

So there's no one left who can do what needs to be done.

WVRedsFan
06-13-2017, 12:27 AM
Big Bob wanted Bronson signed before Spring Training.
The GM and the Manager are following orders from the owner.That's sad, Ron. He should never been put on the roster.

Mutaman
06-13-2017, 12:33 AM
That's sad, Ron. He should never been put on the roster.

After tonight Reds will be 5 games under .500. In games Bronson has started they are one game over .500. 7-6.

kaldaniels
06-13-2017, 12:39 AM
After tonight Reds will be 5 games under .500. In games Bronson has started they are one game over .500. 7-6.

I used to buy into such a remark. Now I know you are a savvy guy and recognize he is fortunate that the Reds have such a record when he pitches. But the question is, given his luck...what if an average pitcher had been in his spot? Probably looking 1-2 more wins. So while he hasn't sunk the team due to his high run support...he probably has held them back.

Ron Madden
06-13-2017, 12:39 AM
I think I'd be happy just to be done with this butt whoppin' without any injuries.

757690
06-13-2017, 12:41 AM
After tonight Reds will be 5 games under .500. In games Bronson has started they are one game over .500. 7-6.

More evidence that this is a good team... outside the rotation.

Tom Servo
06-13-2017, 12:42 AM
More evidence that this is a good team... outside the rotation.
Yeah, some great evidence there.

Ron Madden
06-13-2017, 12:44 AM
Here we go to the 9th inning, scoring 6 runs to tie seems like a long row to hoe.

757690
06-13-2017, 12:44 AM
Yeah, some great evidence there.

Over 13 games, the team has been over .500 when a non major league pitcher starts.

Yes, that is good evidence.

757690
06-13-2017, 12:45 AM
If Schebler can hit a 6 run, lead off homer, it's a whole new ballgame.

Mutaman
06-13-2017, 12:47 AM
I used to buy into such a remark. Now I know you are a savvy guy and recognize he is fortunate that the Reds have such a record when he pitches. But the question is, given his luck...what if an average pitcher had been in his spot? Probably looking 1-2 more wins. So while he hasn't sunk the team due to his high run support...he probably has held them back.

Who is this other "average pitcher" you speak off? There's an "average pitcher" somewhere in this organization that Bronson's holding back?

Tom Servo
06-13-2017, 12:50 AM
Peraza robbed off a hit to affirm an 0fer night

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Barnhart doubles with two outs in the 9th.

Mutaman
06-13-2017, 12:50 AM
More evidence that this is a good team... outside the rotation.

Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

Tom Servo
06-13-2017, 12:52 AM
We're still bad, four straight losses.

We got Hunter Greene though.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Hunter+Greene+Philadelphia+Phillies+v+Los+wtdKGWEP j6Xl.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8

Ron Madden
06-13-2017, 12:53 AM
Rough night. Come back and beat'em tomorrow.

kaldaniels
06-13-2017, 01:02 AM
Who is this other "average pitcher" you speak off? There's an "average pitcher" somewhere in this organization that Bronson's holding back?

Doesn't matter today. They hitched their wagon to the wrong guy a few months ago.

Had they not pursued BA who knows what the answer to your question would be.

Ron Madden
06-13-2017, 01:04 AM
Doesn't matter today. They hitched their wagon to the wrong guy a few months ago.

Had they not pursued BA who knows what the answer to your question would be.

Good Point

Mutaman
06-13-2017, 01:09 AM
Doesn't matter today. They hitched their wagon to the wrong guy a few months ago.

Had they not pursued BA who knows what the answer to your question would be.

A few more starts for the Cody Reeds and Rookie Davis' of this world.

Big Klu
06-13-2017, 03:20 AM
Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Padres catcher Austin Hedges, because why not?

Raisor
06-13-2017, 05:42 AM
Arroyo is trying his best...this is on Price IMO

Price didn't sign him and Price can't release anyone. He's middle management. Bronson was brought in by the owner.

Raisor
06-13-2017, 06:16 AM
No doubt about it, but still...Remember who put him out there.

The owner

klw
06-13-2017, 06:27 AM
http://www.mlb.com/images/4/9/2/236079492/061217_hedges_single_xqr6ux7k.gif

cumberlandreds
06-13-2017, 07:10 AM
Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Padres catcher Austin Hedges, because why not?


He also gets a box of these for his efforts.

http://www.usa-cigarettes.com/images/Benson%20&%20Hedges%20cigarettes/sDeLuxeMenthol.jpg

RedsBrick
06-13-2017, 07:29 AM
http://www.mlb.com/images/4/9/2/236079492/061217_hedges_single_xqr6ux7k.gif

"Will the team leader please step forward?"

durl
06-13-2017, 11:07 AM
"Will the team leader please step forward?"

These guys need to decide if they're the ones that swept the Cards in 4 or if they are a laughing stock playing a AAA team in San Diego.