2017-18 NBA Season..."Closing the gap on the Warriors"

[Kingspoint]

Summer League Schedule:

http://www.nba.com/summer-league-2017-las-vegas-schedule-official-release?cid=nbacomsocial_tw_sf88936190&sf88936190=1

Something like 25 teams are participating in the East Coast Summer League Tournament. Should be great. (Portland is not one of them.)

Portland has three excellent opponents scheduled for the Las Vegas Summer League, Utah, Boston, then San Antonio.

[Revering4Blue]

Per Rotoworld:


Adrian Wojnarowksi of The Vertical believes that LeBron James could leave the Cavaliers in 2018.

"Not only is there no guarantee he’s coming back, I’m not sure there’s an expectation he’s re-signing there," Wojnarowski said. "I think they feel, I think within Cleveland and around the league, they feel that he’s very much in play to leave again and likely head out West to one of the two L.A. teams. The Lakers could very well be a target." Woj mentions the Lakers, Clippers and Heat as potential destinations, and he added that LeBron's title with Cleveland last year means he's "liberated to leave again." LeBron has one year left on his deal with a player option for a second, but the Cavs certainly have a reason to be nervous.

Source: The Vertical

If this is true, this likely means that neither Irving nor Love will be dealt this offseason for this reason: no matter next season's outcome, the Cavs would still retain two star players for the '19 season.



The Mavericks have emerged as "serious contenders" to sign Jrue Holiday according to Jake Fischer of Sports Illustrated.

Ian Begley of ESPN reported back in May that the Mavericks were interested in Holiday, so not much has changed nearly a month later. The Pelicans said their top priority is to bring back Holiday and they can offer more money than any other team, so they are likely the favorite to re-sign the point guard. Jrue did say that he would like to play with his brother Justin and the Mavericks are interested in him as well, so that would certainly increase Dallas' appeal. Jrue just turned 27 and is coming off a strong season with averages of 15.4 points, 7.3 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 0.7 blocks, 1.5 steals and 1.5 treys on 45.4 percent shooting.

Source: Jake Fischer on Twitter

Losing Holiday could devastate the Pelicans. As for Dallas, signing Holiday would be a coup, as this would allow the Mavs to draft either Markkanen or Anunoby were either available at #9.

[Boston Red]

Go Jazz!

[Kingspoint]

Go Jazz!
:)

[Kingspoint]

Adrian Wojnarowksi of The Vertical believes that LeBron James could leave the Cavaliers in 2018.

"Not only is there no guarantee he’s coming back, I’m not sure there’s an expectation he’s re-signing there," Wojnarowski said. "I think they feel, I think within Cleveland and around the league, they feel that he’s very much in play to leave again and likely head out West to one of the two L.A. teams. The Lakers could very well be a target." Woj mentions the Lakers, Clippers and Heat as potential destinations, and he added that LeBron's title with Cleveland last year means he's "liberated to leave again." LeBron has one year left on his deal with a player option for a second, but the Cavs certainly have a reason to be nervous.

Source: The Vertical


Yeah, I agree with that. For LeBron, and no other NBA player fir the last 20 years, he has to create his own Mountains to climb.

He's scaled Mount Cleveland, Mount Miami, and has been King of the Eastern Mountain Range for seven years.

The Seven-Year Itch is a real human event. It happens in every relationship, in every person.

LeBron must do what's best for LeBron, and that means, "Go West, Young Man!"

Monetarily, the Lakers make the most sense, but the Clippers would work. He'd have more control as a Clipper, so I think that's where he goes.

Two years from now, the Clippers are committed to be at $19M under the cap, and contracts could be moved to free up a ton more.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2019/

[Boston Red]

It would be kind of hilarious if he signed with the Warriors.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Adrian Wojnarowksi of The Vertical believes that LeBron James could leave the Cavaliers in 2018.

"Not only is there no guarantee he’s coming back, I’m not sure there’s an expectation he’s re-signing there," Wojnarowski said. "I think they feel, I think within Cleveland and around the league, they feel that he’s very much in play to leave again and likely head out West to one of the two L.A. teams. The Lakers could very well be a target." Woj mentions the Lakers, Clippers and Heat as potential destinations, and he added that LeBron's title with Cleveland last year means he's "liberated to leave again." LeBron has one year left on his deal with a player option for a second, but the Cavs certainly have a reason to be nervous.

Source: The Vertical

He's not leaving the Cavs. I love NBA rumors, but this one is dumb.

[Kingspoint]

It would be kind of hilarious if he signed with the Warriors.

Never in a million years. There's no challenge there. LeBron wants a challenge.

[Kingspoint]

He's not leaving the Cavs. I love NBA rumors, but this one is dumb.

Bet you a million dollars he's gone after 2017-18. There are no incentives to keep him there.

[Kingspoint]

From ESPN...

Jerry West, a Basketball Hall of Famer as a player and an executive, intends to leave his position as an adviser to the Golden State Warriors to take on a similar role with the LA Clippers. He called leaving the Warriors -- who won their second NBA title in three years -- "one of the saddest nights of my life," because of the respect he has for the Golden State organization and the players he has worked with.

"I knew I was going to be leaving. I didn't know what I was going to be leaving to," West told ESPN. "Was this the end of me being productive? Every person is different in terms of their lives and how people age. I don't feel old; I feel really competitive. "Sometimes you need to be challenged. I've kind of been defiant my whole life, the way I was raised, and I think this is like the defiant streak in me. I don't know."




For the exact same reasons West is leaving the Warriors (which is the beginning of their demise) to join the Clippers, James will leave the Cavs to join the Clippers. These two legends will independently join forces to knock the Warriors from the perch of the Western Conference, if some other team doesn't do it first.

"Go West, Young Man" has more meaning to it now.

[Revering4Blue]

From ESPN...

Jerry West, a Basketball Hall of Famer as a player and an executive, intends to leave his position as an adviser to the Golden State Warriors to take on a similar role with the LA Clippers. He called leaving the Warriors -- who won their second NBA title in three years -- "one of the saddest nights of my life," because of the respect he has for the Golden State organization and the players he has worked with.

"I knew I was going to be leaving. I didn't know what I was going to be leaving to," West told ESPN. "Was this the end of me being productive? Every person is different in terms of their lives and how people age. I don't feel old; I feel really competitive. "Sometimes you need to be challenged. I've kind of been defiant my whole life, the way I was raised, and I think this is like the defiant streak in me. I don't know."




For the exact same reasons West is leaving the Warriors (which is the beginning of their demise) to join the Clippers, James will leave the Cavs to join the Clippers. These two legends will independently join forces to knock the Warriors from the perch of the Western Conference, if some other team doesn't do it first.

"Go West, Young Man" has more meaning to it now.

West, no doubt, deserves some credit for the Warriors' success -- After all, he's the one who was adamant that the team not include Klay Thompson in a deal to Minny for Kevin Love. But, so long as Bob Myers remains in the Bay Area as Warriors GM, I wouldn't shovel dirt on the Warrior franchise anytime soon.

If the Clips resign both Paul and Griffin, as well as bring Lebron into the fold, you're going to have the same issues in LA as Cleveland as far as matching up with the Warriors -- even worse, as Love can at least stretch the floor. Now, if Griffin is gone and you have Paul, LeBron and DeAndre Jordan in tow, and proceed to recruit Paul George to Clipperland (George grew up as a Clippers, not Lakers, fan), then you may be on to something.

[Revering4Blue]

Bet you a million dollars he's gone after 2017-18. There are no incentives to keep him there.

I can think of one major incentive to stay in Cleveland: Control. He's not going to be able to control West, Ballmer (even though Ballmer, more or less, stays out of day-to-day personnel decisions) or whomever the next coach and GM are if Doc were to be canned.

I"m not at all suggesting that LeBron's exit from Miami had nothing to do with repairing his image and delivering a Championship to Cleveland, but let's face it... The fact that Pat Riley wouldn't cater to LeBron and his entourage played a huge factor in his Miami departure. LeBron even tried to get Spoelstra fired. Fortunately, Riley was (is) too smart for that.

It goes without saying that Cleveland with a GM the caliber of Riley, who wouldn't cater to LeBron's every whim, wouldn't be in the capped-out mess (with a ton of flushed $$) that they are currently in.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Bet you a million dollars he's gone after 2017-18. There are no incentives to keep him there.

He gets to play with Kyrie for one. Why would he leave to play for the Lakers or the Clippers? They have minimal opposition in the East, so he gets to play in the Finals every year, and that isn't going to change (Milwaukee will get better, Boston is what it is, neither is beating any version of the Cavs in a 7 game series). He's from there. No one can pay him more money.

I can see like 42 year old Lebron going to be the bench veteran from some team, but he is still very much in his prime, and there is no reason for him to leave his situation.

[Kingspoint]

West, no doubt, deserves some credit for the Warriors' success -- After all, he's the one who was adamant that the team not include Klay Thompson in a deal to Minny for Kevin Love. But, so long as Bob Myers remains in the Bay Area as Warriors GM, I wouldn't shovel dirt on the Warrior franchise anytime soon.No doubt. Not even close to what happened to the Lakers. Memphis didn't fold, either, but they haven't taken that next step.

[Kingspoint]

He gets to play with Kyrie for one. Why would he leave to play for the Lakers or the Clippers? They have minimal opposition in the East, so he gets to play in the Finals every year, and that isn't going to change (Milwaukee will get better, Boston is what it is, neither is beating any version of the Cavs in a 7 game series). He's from there. No one can pay him more money.

I can see like 42 year old Lebron going to be the bench veteran from some team, but he is still very much in his prime, and there is no reason for him to leave his situation.

Because it's not about the easy route to the Finals. There won't be an easy route any more as Boston proved they can take the #1 seed with an incomplete roster.. Cleveland doesn't have rising youngsters. They are already $20M+ over the cap for the next two seasons. They won't improve.

That's not the type of Challenge LeBron is looking for. If Cleveland fans say anything bad about him for leaving again after what he did for them, they don't deserve him. LeBron will go West to the Clippers and he doesn't need control and West will be an advisor, while LeBron will be an advisor. Balmer knows how to handle powerful decision-makers. Doc is gone. That's the only way West would agree to be an advisor there.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Word is, the Cavs are thinking hard-core about dealing Kevin Love.

Who'd say no to the following?

Milwaukee trades C Greg Monroe and C/PF John Henson to the Cavs for Kevin Love and Iman Shumpert.

Love fits the Bucks like a glove, as Giannis could play the one-in, four-out umbrella offense with Love, Middleton, Maker, and Brogdon. Defensively, they should be truly outstanding capable of switching one through four. (Love would become a small ball center.) Shumpert's trade ballast to make the contracts work, but could be a decent bench defender.

Cleveland gets its centers for the foreseeable future. Henson can protect the rim and shoot from mid-range. Monroe can pass well and anchor a second unit. More importantly, this allows the Cavs to push James to PF permanently.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Because it's not about the easy route to the Finals. There won't be an easy route any more as Boston proved they can take the #1 seed with an incomplete roster.. Cleveland doesn't have rising youngsters. They are already $20M+ over the cap for the next two seasons. They won't improve.

That's not the type of Challenge LeBron is looking for. If Cleveland fans say anything bad about him for leaving again after what he did for them, they don't deserve him. LeBron will go West to the Clippers and he doesn't need control and West will be an advisor, while LeBron will be an advisor. Balmer knows how to handle powerful decision-makers. Doc is gone. That's the only way West would agree to be an advisor there.

Lebron isn't motivated by challenges, he's motivated by titles and being the best. He has a far better chance of playing for a title and winning them in Cleveland than whatever situation the Clippers or Lakers might be able to slap together.

Boston got the 1 seed because the Cavs took 4 months off and then flipped the switch because they could and they are that much better than the rest of the East. They could have won 65 games if they wanted to, but why waste the energy.

[Revering4Blue]

Word is, the Cavs are thinking hard-core about dealing Kevin Love.

Who'd say no to the following?

Milwaukee trades C Greg Monroe and C/PF John Henson to the Cavs for Kevin Love and Iman Shumpert.

Love fits the Bucks like a glove, as Giannis could play the one-in, four-out umbrella offense with Love, Middleton, Maker, and Brogdon. Defensively, they should be truly outstanding capable of switching one through four. (Love would become a small ball center.) Shumpert's trade ballast to make the contracts work, but could be a decent bench defender.

Cleveland gets its centers for the foreseeable future. Henson can protect the rim and shoot from mid-range. Monroe can pass well and anchor a second unit. More importantly, this allows the Cavs to push James to PF permanently.

Monroe can opt and become a UFA this offseason (17'), though. I'd like it better from Cleveland's side were they able to move TT, whom you cannot play with Monroe or Henson. TT and Smith are where they've wasted money/resources. Love is essentially wasted in Cleveland form the standpoint if utilization, but isn't indefensibly overpaid like TT or Smith. I'm still baffled as to why Henson only logged 6 total minutes against Toronto in the Playoffs.

From what I've gathered from Cavs fans on other forums, while the fans are logical and believe that Love -- as their most realistic trading chip -- should be dealt for roster balance, Gilbert likely doesn't view it that way, as he doesn't want to get stuck with only Irving and several role players should LeBron bolt in '18.

[Revering4Blue]

Lebron isn't motivated by challenges, he's motivated by titles and being the best. He has a far better chance of playing for a title and winning them in Cleveland than whatever situation the Clippers or Lakers might be able to slap together.

Boston got the 1 seed because the Cavs took 4 months off and then flipped the switch because they could and they are that much better than the rest of the East. They could have won 65 games if they wanted to, but why waste the energy.

I'll agree with this with one obvious caveat, which Kingspoint already mentioned: The difficulty in reshaping the Cavs roster for balance reasons. If the Cavs choose to return with the same core, they're going to have a tough time assembling a bench that can actually produce.

In short, other East teams are in position with flexibility to improve exponentially, so expecting another Cavs cakewalk through the East with essentially the same Cavs team as last season is Fool's Gold, IMO. Heck, their 1st round games against the 8th-seeded Pacers all came down to the wire, and with a healthy Al Jefferson, the Pacers could have easily stolen two games there, and that was only the First Round,

As you noted, the West is obviously going to be loaded, and I wouldn't put much stock into the young Lakers morphing into a juggernaut in '18-'19', with or without LeBron. The Clips are in disarray now, and may lose CP3 and Griffin. And, should they retain Griffin with CP3, as I noted earlier, the same issues would occur with LeBron and Griffin on the floor together as with LeBron and Love, only worse because Griffin cannot stretch the floor as Love can.

[Kingspoint]

Lebron isn't motivated by challenges, he's motivated by titles and being the best. He has a far better chance of playing for a title and winning them in Cleveland than whatever situation the Clippers or Lakers might be able to slap together.

Boston got the 1 seed because the Cavs took 4 months off and then flipped the switch because they could and they are that much better than the rest of the East. They could have won 65 games if they wanted to, but why waste the energy.

Not buying any of that.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'll agree with this with one obvious caveat, which Kingspoint already mentioned: The difficulty in reshaping the Cavs roster for balance reasons. If the Cavs choose to return with the same core, they're going to have a tough time assembling a bench that can actually produce.

In short, other East teams are in position with flexibility to improve exponentially, so expecting another Cavs cakewalk through the East with essentially the same Cavs team as last season is Fool's Gold, IMO. Heck, their 1st round games against the 8th-seeded Pacers all came down to the wire, and with a healthy Al Jefferson, the Pacers could have easily stolen two games there, and that was only the First Round,

As you noted, the West is obviously going to be loaded, and I wouldn't put much stock into the young Lakers morphing into a juggernaut in '18-'19', with or without LeBron. The Clips are in disarray now, and may lose CP3 and Griffin. And, should they retain Griffin with CP3, as I noted earlier, the same issues would occur with LeBron and Griffin on the floor together as with LeBron and Love, only worse because Griffin cannot stretch the floor as Love can.

But they don't have to revamp their roster. They can keep their roster exactly as it is right now and they will play in the NBA Finals for the next 2 years barring injury. The argument for revamping is some foregone conclusion that the Warriors are going to be exactly what they are right now and the Cavs can't compete with them, and I don't believe either of those things.

There are other teams in the East that can get better and be more competitive, but they cannot beat the Cavs in a 7 game series. If the expectation is the Cavs have to go 12-0 to get the Finals, well that is crazy.

The only appeal of LA, is that it is LA (I live here, it's lovely). But for basketball reasons, there is zero reason to make that move.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

President Magic Johnson "is in love" with Markelle Fultz and may try to move up to No. 1 possibly with Julius Randle included in a trade, according to Jonathan Givony of Draft Express.

The top pick looks to be on the block and it sounds like the Lakers and 76ers could get involved in a bidding war. The Lakers have said Brandon Ingram is really the only untouchable player, so unloading Randle is a possibility. The Celtics are expected to go after a power forward in free agency, so someone like Randle may change things. He's having a productive offseason and has lost some weight this summer.

Source: Draft Express on Twitter


The 76ers are waiting on medical information on Markelle Fultz, but they're deep into talks on acquiring Boston's No. 1 overall pick, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical.

Get your popcorn ready. This report comes on the heels of ESPN saying the 76ers are going after the top pick, so this one is picking up steam in a hurry. Woj adds that the trade talks are far enough along that Fultz could be on his way to Philly for a meeting on Saturday. Obviously a move to Philly would be great for Fultz's fantasy value compared to value in Boston.

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter


The Sixers and Celtics are in serious talks on a trade involving the No. 1 overall pick, according to ESPN's Marc Stein and Zach Lowe.

Trust the process. According to the report, the 76ers would likely be looking to deal away more picks and not players like Jahlil Okafor. The Celtics are working out more players this week, which does coincide they could look move back in the draft. The 76ers have the ammo to move up from No. 3, so it wouldn't be a total shock to see them pull off a trade. General manager Danny Ainge has said teams have called about the No. 1 pick, as well.

Source: Marc Stein on Twitter


Josh Jackson's workout in Los Angeles "did not go well at all," according to Jonathan Givony of Draft Express.

The report adds he brought high energy, but struggled with his shooting and handle. It sounds like the Celtics do like Josh Jackson, which may be part of the motivation to trade back with the 76ers. Jackson does have some off-court concerns and he was suspended at Kansas last season. He is still a near lock to go in the top five.

Source: Draft Express on Twitter


The Celtics have scheduled a pre-draft meeting with Dennis Smith Jr.

He's been going through plenty of workouts, including sessions with the Knicks, Lakers, Magic and Wolves. The Celtics almost certainly won't be taking Smith Jr. with their top pick, but it's interesting to see they're going to work him out. Smith Jr. is expected to go in the later part of the lottery.

Source: ESPN.com

[KoryMac5]

I could see Lebron staying in Cleveland if Carmelo comes to play for the Cavs...if not I could easily see him heading out to LA which would be a nightmare scenario for the NBA.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Both the Oklahoma City Thunder and Boston Celtics will make a bid for Blake Griffin, according to the Los Angeles Times.

It's a logical move for both teams. Griffin played his college ball in Oklahoma, and it has long been rumored that OKC would love to pair him with Russell Westbrook. The Celtics finished last season with the best record in the Eastern Conference and have cap space to offer a max contract to an attractive free agent.

Source: Los Angeles Times

[Revering4Blue]

But they don't have to revamp their roster. They can keep their roster exactly as it is right now and they will play in the NBA Finals for the next 2 years barring injury. The argument for revamping is some foregone conclusion that the Warriors are going to be exactly what they are right now and the Cavs can't compete with them, and I don't believe either of those things.

There are other teams in the East that can get better and be more competitive, but they cannot beat the Cavs in a 7 game series. If the expectation is the Cavs have to go 12-0 to get the Finals, well that is crazy.

The only appeal of LA, is that it is LA (I live here, it's lovely). But for basketball reasons, there is zero reason to make that move.

Exactly the same roster with a 56 year old Richard Jefferson as their most consistent bench player? Really?

The proof is in the pudding that whenever LeBron rests, they get killed and that MUST be addressed, as he's logging way too many minutes. How is that addressed without revamping the roster? Simple answer: it doesn't get addressed. Now, I suppose Lue could start Shumpert with Smith accepting a role as 6th man, as well as the youngsters Felder, Osman and Taveras assuming prominent roles. And, they could buy their way into the second round in this deep draft, as well as Lue actually re-acquainting himself with the fact that substantially paid Channing Frye is still a member of the Cavs bench, but they're all too iffy of propositions to take to the bank.

Forget about defeating the Warriors for a minute, the argument for not revamping is based upon some forgone conclusion that the Celtics, Wizards et al are going to be exactly (or very close) to what they are right now.

Even if they strike out with Hayward, Boston will improve via attrition (Fultz -- unless Ainge plays with fire by passing on him, Zizic -- rim protection, Yabusele and Nader, for example.) Plus, Ainge could nab another rim-protector (let's be honest, even with IT sidelined, lack of rim-protection was the deciding series factor) with his early second rounder or sign one via free agency.

Washington, too -- with a bench, weak as it was, still considerably stronger than Cleveland's (damning with faint praise, I know) -- could make the jump, as well. Whomever Irving guards (Wall or Beal) will absolutely torch him. Ignore, Milwaukee at your own risk, too.

Or, the status quo can resume, along with the hope that each and every team that you play on the road to the Finals --- and, to be fair, the Warriors also benefited greatly from this --- is missing a key player or two and hope that your Eastern Rivals don't improve exponentially either from within and (or) new elements.

[Revering4Blue]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

President Magic Johnson "is in love" with Markelle Fultz and may try to move up to No. 1 possibly with Julius Randle included in a trade, according to Jonathan Givony of Draft Express.

The top pick looks to be on the block and it sounds like the Lakers and 76ers could get involved in a bidding war. The Lakers have said Brandon Ingram is really the only untouchable player, so unloading Randle is a possibility. The Celtics are expected to go after a power forward in free agency, so someone like Randle may change things. He's having a productive offseason and has lost some weight this summer.

Source: Draft Express on Twitter


The 76ers are waiting on medical information on Markelle Fultz, but they're deep into talks on acquiring Boston's No. 1 overall pick, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical.

Get your popcorn ready. This report comes on the heels of ESPN saying the 76ers are going after the top pick, so this one is picking up steam in a hurry. Woj adds that the trade talks are far enough along that Fultz could be on his way to Philly for a meeting on Saturday. Obviously a move to Philly would be great for Fultz's fantasy value compared to value in Boston.

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter


The Sixers and Celtics are in serious talks on a trade involving the No. 1 overall pick, according to ESPN's Marc Stein and Zach Lowe.

Trust the process. According to the report, the 76ers would likely be looking to deal away more picks and not players like Jahlil Okafor. The Celtics are working out more players this week, which does coincide they could look move back in the draft. The 76ers have the ammo to move up from No. 3, so it wouldn't be a total shock to see them pull off a trade. General manager Danny Ainge has said teams have called about the No. 1 pick, as well.

Source: Marc Stein on Twitter


Josh Jackson's workout in Los Angeles "did not go well at all," according to Jonathan Givony of Draft Express.

The report adds he brought high energy, but struggled with his shooting and handle. It sounds like the Celtics do like Josh Jackson, which may be part of the motivation to trade back with the 76ers. Jackson does have some off-court concerns and he was suspended at Kansas last season. He is still a near lock to go in the top five.

Source: Draft Express on Twitter


The Celtics have scheduled a pre-draft meeting with Dennis Smith Jr.

He's been going through plenty of workouts, including sessions with the Knicks, Lakers, Magic and Wolves. The Celtics almost certainly won't be taking Smith Jr. with their top pick, but it's interesting to see they're going to work him out. Smith Jr. is expected to go in the later part of the lottery.

Source: ESPN.com

If Colangelo can maneuver to #1 to grab Fultz without including Embiid, Simmons or the Lakers unprotected pick next year, he should do so without thinking about it. If it's a bidding war between L.A and Philly, L.A stands little, if any, chance.

[SteelSD]

If Colangelo can maneuver to #1 to grab Fultz without including Embiid, Simmons or the Lakers unprotected pick next year, he should do so without thinking about it. If it's a bidding war between L.A and Philly, L.A stands little, if any, chance.

Huh. I wondered if this was a more likely scenario for Philly rather than a move down, although I'd have a hard time myself turning down something like the 5th and 10th picks if the Kings offered them up. Boston is flush in guards and Philly desperately needs a scorer while being loaded with projected high draft picks over the next couple years. Marc Stein and Zach Lowe appear pretty convinced that the pick Celtics/Sixers trade is going down and that Fultz may be headed to Philly for a meet rather than a 2nd Celtics workout.

Simmons/Embiid/Saric/Fultz/Covington? Okey-dokey.

[Revering4Blue]

Huh. I wondered if this was a more likely scenario for Philly rather than a move down, although I'd have a hard time myself turning down something like the 5th and 10th picks if the Kings offered them up. Boston is flush in guards and Philly desperately needs a scorer while being loaded with projected high draft picks over the next couple years. Marc Stein and Zach Lowe appear pretty convinced that the pick Celtics/Sixers trade is going down and that Fultz may be headed to Philly for a meet rather than a 2nd Celtics workout.

Simmons/Embiid/Saric/Fultz/Covington? Okey-dokey.

There are many players with really high ceilings projected to go within the Top Ten, but, IMHO, Fultz and Malik Monk are the most equipped to heavily contribute from day one, as most of the others have holes in their games, namely shooting. If we're confining this discussion to players projected to possibly go 1st, Fultz is about as much of a "can't miss" guard as John Wall, and has been compared with a better-defending James Harden.

Thanks (again) to Sam Hinkie, with the future picks in tow, along with, hopefully, Fultz, the 76ers can realistically (health-permitting) think about reaching the Playoffs without concern about perpetual treadmill status.

As for Boston's angle, well, this is interesting. Finally-- including this Celtics/76ers rumor -- we have something worthwhile to discuss rumor-wise, rather than what LeBron may or may not do in '18.


NBA Rumors: Celtics Eyeing First-Round Picks To Trade For Jimmy Butler? by Ricky Doyle on Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 7:03PM

What’s Danny Ainge’s end game? That’s the question Boston Celtics fans are asking after trade rumors involving the No. 1 overall pick in next week’s NBA draft began to swirl Friday, and one scenario floated has the C’s seeking to acquire additional first-round picks as a precursor to then trading for Chicago Bulls star Jimmy Butler. The madness started when reports surfaced stating the Celtics were in serious trade talks with the Philadelphia 76ers about the No. 1 pick. Boston reportedly would acquire a package headlined by the No. 3 pick that Philadelphia owns — the Los Angeles Lakers own the No. 2 pick — and additional draft picks.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2017/06/nba-rumors-celtics-eyeing-first-round-picks-to-trade-for-jimmy-butler/

[M2]

The Sixers and Celtics are in serious talks on a trade involving the No. 1 overall pick, according to ESPN's Marc Stein and Zach Lowe.

Trust the process. According to the report, the 76ers would likely be looking to deal away more picks and not players like Jahlil Okafor.

First, good luck finding someone who'd trade much value for Okafor. That guy seems like the demon seed of Joe Barry Carroll.

Second, Philly does have the Lakers' 1st round pick next year and Sacto's in 2019.

Third, still got to figure a Covington or a Saric would need to be in there.

[SteelSD]

There are many players with really high ceilings projected to go within the Top Ten, but, IMHO, Fultz and Malik Monk are the most equipped to heavily contribute from day one, as most of the others have holes in their games, namely shooting. If we're confining this discussion to players projected to possibly go 1st, Fultz is about as much of a "can't miss" guard as John Wall, and has been compared with a better-defending James Harden.

Thanks (again) to Sam Hinkie, with the future picks in tow, along with, hopefully, Fultz, the 76ers can realistically (health-permitting) think about reaching the Playoffs without concern about perpetual treadmill status.

As for Boston's angle, well, this is interesting. Finally-- including this Celtics/76ers rumor -- we have something worthwhile to discuss rumor-wise, rather than what LeBron may or may not do in '18.

This is funny...go here and tell me who's missing from the Celtics official site draft profile series:

http://www.nba.com/celtics/Draft

Hmn...

[Kingspoint]

First, good luck finding someone who'd trade much value for Okafor. That guy seems like the demon seed of Joe Barry Carroll.

Second, Philly does have the Lakers' 1st round pick next year and Sacto's in 2019.

Third, still got to figure a Covington or a Saric would need to be in there.

Saric and Covington are great building blocks for the Sixers and seem to balance out their other centerpieces. But, if it means getting Fultz, and they see him as that much of a difference-maker over Fox, then sure. Boston could use either player.

[SteelSD]

Saric and Covington are great building blocks for the Sixers and seem to balance out their other centerpieces. But, if it means getting Fultz, and they see him as that much of a difference-maker over Fox, then sure. Boston could use either player.

Nah. The Sixers shouldn't be giving up Saric, in particular, to move up two slots. Covington is less important but if either is the price along and picks (plural), you either stay put and take either Jackson or Ball OR move down by trying to entice the Kings to move their 5th and 10th slot picks for the Sixers 3rd (and maybe and maybe an early 2nd rounder or two); which leaves you with a huge number of options. Fultz is very good, but he's not a "generational" level talent. Boston wouldn't be open to dealing the top pick if he were.

[Revering4Blue]

Nah. The Sixers shouldn't be giving up Saric, in particular, to move up two slots. Covington is less important but if either is the price along and picks (plural), you either stay put and take either Jackson or Ball OR move down by trying to entice the Kings to move their 5th and 10th slot picks for the Sixers 3rd (and maybe and maybe an early 2nd rounder or two); which leaves you with a huge number of options. Fultz is very good, but he's not a "generational" level talent. Boston wouldn't be open to dealing the top pick if he were.

Again, this is all speculation at this point, but if the Celtics can trade for Butler with picks acquired from Philly, they likely would be open to dealing the pick.

My guess is that Okafor and picks go to Boston, with Okafor and another player (Crowder?) from Boston and picks (Brooklyn's '18 and Sacramento's '19) sent to Chicago for Butler.
That way, Boston can draft Jackson or Tatum at #3, while adding Butler.

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[M2]

Again, this is all speculation at this point, but if the Celtics can trade for Butler with picks acquired from Philly, they likely would be open to dealing the pick.

My guess is that Okafor and picks go to Boston, with Okafor and another player (Crowder?) from Boston and picks (Brooklyn's '18 and Sacramento's '19) sent to Chicago for Butler.
That way, Boston can draft Jackson or Tatum at #3, while adding Butler.

The Okafor hot potato is an interesting idea. It would be great if the Bulls then moved him onto somebody else. Keeping this year's #3 and taking Jackson also would be a nice touch for the Celtics.

Here's a question, because I can't begin to decipher NBA salary caps, is there any way the Celtics can make that deal and add Blake Griffin?

[Revering4Blue]

The Okafor hot potato is an interesting idea. It would be great if the Bulls then moved him onto somebody else. Keeping this year's #3 and taking Jackson also would be a nice touch for the Celtics.

Here's a question, because I can't begin to decipher NBA salary caps, is there any way the Celtics can make that deal and add Blake Griffin?

I honestly don't know. They could renounce the rights to Non-guaranteed salary, Restricted Free Agents, Unrestricted Free Agents (listed as "Cap Holds") Note: Cap holds Yabousele and Zizic aren't Free Agents, but they could keep them overseas so as not to count against the cap.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/2017-offseason-salary-cap-digest-boston-celtics.html

Okafor is a Chicago kid and, apparently, the Bulls organization is still high on him. Plus, they only have two bigs under contract after June 30.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Exactly the same roster with a 56 year old Richard Jefferson as their most consistent bench player? Really?

The proof is in the pudding that whenever LeBron rests, they get killed and that MUST be addressed, as he's logging way too many minutes. How is that addressed without revamping the roster? Simple answer: it doesn't get addressed. Now, I suppose Lue could start Shumpert with Smith accepting a role as 6th man, as well as the youngsters Felder, Osman and Taveras assuming prominent roles. And, they could buy their way into the second round in this deep draft, as well as Lue actually re-acquainting himself with the fact that substantially paid Channing Frye is still a member of the Cavs bench, but they're all too iffy of propositions to take to the bank.

Forget about defeating the Warriors for a minute, the argument for not revamping is based upon some forgone conclusion that the Celtics, Wizards et al are going to be exactly (or very close) to what they are right now.

Even if they strike out with Hayward, Boston will improve via attrition (Fultz -- unless Ainge plays with fire by passing on him, Zizic -- rim protection, Yabusele and Nader, for example.) Plus, Ainge could nab another rim-protector (let's be honest, even with IT sidelined, lack of rim-protection was the deciding series factor) with his early second rounder or sign one via free agency.

Washington, too -- with a bench, weak as it was, still considerably stronger than Cleveland's (damning with faint praise, I know) -- could make the jump, as well. Whomever Irving guards (Wall or Beal) will absolutely torch him. Ignore, Milwaukee at your own risk, too.

Or, the status quo can resume, along with the hope that each and every team that you play on the road to the Finals --- and, to be fair, the Warriors also benefited greatly from this --- is missing a key player or two and hope that your Eastern Rivals don't improve exponentially either from within and (or) new elements.

I suppose I shouldn't have used the word exactly, but the core of the team. There are like 30 Richard Jefferson's in the league, guys like him are very replaceable.

I acknowledged that the East teams could and likely will get better and I maintain that no matter what they do none of them can beat Cleveland in a 7 game series.

[Kingspoint]

Again, this is all speculation at this point, but if the Celtics can trade for Butler with picks acquired from Philly, they likely would be open to dealing the pick.

My guess is that Okafor and picks go to Boston, with Okafor and another player (Crowder?) from Boston and picks (Brooklyn's '18 and Sacramento's '19) sent to Chicago for Butler.
That way, Boston can draft Jackson or Tatum at #3, while adding Butler.

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Would any of this interfere with offering and signing Griffin to a max contract? If so, then the timing just has to occur after Griffin signs.

Boston is going to be very scary next season as their options are unlimited. Ainge also won't make the same mistake he admitted he made last season...not pulling the trigger on an obviously great offer.

Tatum seems like an Ainge type of pick.

[Kingspoint]

OK. I just read M2's post on Griffin. Obviously our minds went right to the question that needed to be asked.

[Kingspoint]

Predicting what the Bulls will do is as difficult as predicting the REDS Starting Five from month to month.

[Revering4Blue]

Would any of this interfere with offering and signing Griffin to a max contract? If so, then the timing just has to occur after Griffin signs.

Boston is going to be very scary next season.

Tatum seems like an Ainge type of pick.

I'm not sure, but internet scuttlebut, FWIW, suggests that the Celtics could trade for Butler and add Hayward. However, this article refutes that:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/2017-offseason-salary-cap-digest-boston-celtics.html

[Kingspoint]

I'm not sure, but internet scuttlebut, FWIW, suggests that the Celtics could trade for Butler and add Hayward. However, this article refutes that:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/2017-offseason-salary-cap-digest-boston-celtics.html
I'm thinking that they could sign their max free agent first and then trade for Butler. They could send Horford if they had to just to make contracts work.

[Kingspoint]

It's interesting that the Nuggets and Blazers have the exact same needs....Backup Center, Stretch-4 and Wing Scorer. You could add that the Nuggets need a better PG, but the Blazers only PG is Napier, as Lillard and C.J. leave a lot to be desired as PG's, though Lillard keeps improving (which is why they are better with a playmaker like Turner out there, though Lillard or C.J should be on the bench while Turner is out there...same situation with Smart/Thomas/Bradley because of Defense).

[Revering4Blue]

There's always a chance that the interest in trading for Butler now from either the Boston or Chicago angle may be overstated. Perhaps Ainge is imterested in drafting Tatum or Jackson at #3, while maintaining a chance of two picks in the Top Ten next year.

Anyway, I'd target Millsap as a PF instead of Griffin, as Millsap can both stretch the floor and defend, and, well neither are Griffin's forte.

[Kingspoint]

I'm not sure, but internet scuttlebut, FWIW, suggests that the Celtics could trade for Butler and add Hayward. However, this article refutes that:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/2017-offseason-salary-cap-digest-boston-celtics.html

Hoops Hype didn't take into account that the draft picks' salaries don't count against the cap until some time between Free Agency and the start of the season. So, Boston has not $27M, but $33M. They can do a Max contract, then trade for Butler or George, and then maneuver the roster to fit in what they drafted. Ainge will be playing golf every morning in Las Vegas during Summer League. He's a little more relaxed at that point and the max contract should be on the books by then. Will be interesting to see his interviews then. Butler (or George) could be a Celtic by then, too.

[Revering4Blue]

I suppose I shouldn't have used the word exactly, but the core of the team. There are like 30 Richard Jefferson's in the league, guys like him are very replaceable.

I acknowledged that the East teams could and likely will get better and I maintain that no matter what they do none of them can beat Cleveland in a 7 game series.

Gotcha.

Granted, it won't be easy, but It is certainly within the realm of possibility to improve the bench without breaking up the core. We'll see.

[Kingspoint]

As was inferred around here a few weeks ago,...nobody wanted this job. It's amazing Milwaukee is improving under these conditions. It's a delicate balance of leadership that seems difficult to maintain.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

The Bucks have named Jon Horst as General Manager.

"Our No. 1 priority is building a championship-caliber organization and we believe Jon is the right person to be our General Manager," said Bucks owners Wes Edens, Marc Lasry and Jamie Dinan. "He has been an integral part of basketball operations for the last nine years, and has helped advise us on every major basketball decision since we purchased the team." The Bucks were not able to bring in any new GM after the Nuggets promoted Arturas Karnisovas, so they kept it in house with this promotion.

Source: NBA.com

[Kingspoint]

There's always a chance that the interest in trading for Butler now from either the Boston or Chicago angle may be overstated. Perhaps Ainge is imterested in drafting Tatum or Jackson at #3, while maintaining a chance of two picks in the Top Ten next year.

Anyway, I'd target Millsap as a PF instead of Griffin, as Millsap can both stretch the floor and defend, and, well neither are Griffin's forte.

Griffin can't stay healthy. Millsap stays pretty healthy. Millsap also won't require a Max contract. We know he won't get one from Atlanta. Olshey tried a few times to get Millsap, but didn't come close.

Timing may dictate who Ainge gets.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Why not Hayward?

Boston needs both shooters (40% from 4 last year, 37% career) and secondary ball-handlers/ creators (22.2 PER). Hayward's a neutral defender too and an underrated passer (3.6 assists) who averaged only two TO per game last year despite a heavy usage rate.

Butler's the better player (though it's close), but Hayward costs only money. Butler costs both money and prospects/ draft choices.

Were I Ainge, I'd deal the number one to the 76ers for the 3rd pick a couple first round picks later. I'd then trade down again with Sacramento-- 3rd and a 2nd round pick for 5th and 10th. I'd then draft Malik Monk as a shooter off the bench and Zach Collins or Jonathan Isaacs as a 20 MPG shot blocker who can also step out and nail the mid-range shot.

That'd give Boston the following:

PG Thomas/ Smart/ Rozier
SG Bradley/ Monk/ Young
SF Hayward/ Brown
PF Horford/ Crowder/ Mickey
C Collins/ Olynyk

They can go small, big, max D, drive and space, or any combination of the above.

[Kingspoint]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/876138789378433024

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/876138789378433024

[Kingspoint]

Why not Hayward?

I don't think Butler or Hayward. I think Josh Jackson becomes their Starting SF.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Markelle Fultz's visit to Philadelphia on Saturday is expected to "clear the way toward finalizing a deal with Boston for No. 1 pick," according to Adrian Wojnarowski.

Wojnarowski adds that the package of selections the Sixers would send to the Celtics would likely include Philadelphia's 2017 first-round pick (No. 3 overall), the Lakers 2018 first-round pick, and possibly Philadelphia's 2021 first-round pick. All future picks would include varying degrees of complicated protections. There have also been rumors that the two teams may have to wait until draft night to consummate the deal, as the Celtics want to make sure Josh Jackson is on the board at No. 3.

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter



Boston could add Dedmon AND Millsap, draft a big in the 2nd, continue to develop Mickey, have the Lakers lottery pick next season to go after another big, mix well, bake and see what's needed next Summer.

[Kingspoint]

I think Hayward stays in Utah anyway. Their building something there which he is a dynamic piece of.

[Revering4Blue]

I think Hayward stays in Utah anyway. Their building something there which he is a dynamic piece of.

Simply put: I hope so.

[Revering4Blue]

Why not Hayward?

Boston needs both shooters (40% from 4 last year, 37% career) and secondary ball-handlers/ creators (22.2 PER). Hayward's a neutral defender too and an underrated passer (3.6 assists) who averaged only two TO per game last year despite a heavy usage rate.

Butler's the better player (though it's close), but Hayward costs only money. Butler costs both money and prospects/ draft choices.

Were I Ainge, I'd deal the number one to the 76ers for the 3rd pick a couple first round picks later. I'd then trade down again with Sacramento-- 3rd and a 2nd round pick for 5th and 10th. I'd then draft Malik Monk as a shooter off the bench and Zach Collins or Jonathan Isaacs as a 20 MPG shot blocker who can also step out and nail the mid-range shot.

That'd give Boston the following:

PG Thomas/ Smart/ Rozier
SG Bradley/ Monk/ Young
SF Hayward/ Brown
PF Horford/ Crowder/ Mickey
C Collins/ Olynyk

They can go small, big, max D, drive and space, or any combination of the above.

I like this idea...A Lot. Even if they miss out on Hayward, they're still strong at SF with Crowder and Brown and Nader, should he make the team. The biggest issues against the Cavs -- and Bulls, for that matter --were rebounding and rim protection. But, as you mentioned, shooting/shot creation are still priorities. Monk would help immensely there. And, even if Issac and Collins are off the board at 10, they can select Jarrett Allen with his 7'6" wingspan. Then, as I mentioned before, I'd make a push to sign Paul Millsap, who won't require a Max contract. Even then, with the Philly trade, you've placed yourself in a position of possibly owning two top 10 or top 5 picks in '18.

On Sacramento's end, they're virtually guaranteed to land either Fox or Ball at #3, with two second round picks, which allow for moving up if need be. Either way, solid SF prospects should be there for the taking in the second round. And, of course, Fultz goes to Philly.

A win-win-win scenario.

[Kingspoint]

I heard Monk is notorious for poor shot selection.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I heard Monk is notorious for poor shot selection.

Having watched all his games, I can say you heard wrong. Like all shooters, he has irrational confidence, but, for the most part, he shoots what's given to him.

Monk's issues are two-fold. He tends to fall in love with a mid-range fade-away when challenged, and he'll occasionally drive into the teeth of the defense instead of settling for easy floaters. He'll need to fix those moving forward, but, for the most part, he's going to be lethal and ready (offensively) from the get-go.

Defensively is another story. So is rebounding.

[Revering4Blue]

I heard Monk is notorious for poor shot selection.

"Notorious" is a stretch. Sure, that's something he can work on, for sure. Then again, virtually everyone projected to go 2-10 or so is far from a finished project. No, Monk isn't considered as much of a lock as Fultz -- By all accounts, the only concern about Fultz is whether he is a true PG --but scouts are convinced that his shooting, scoring with the tools to be a solid defender will translate to the next level. It should also be noted that Monk was a high school PG, who moved to 2G to help accommodate Fox at UK. Markkanen can also shoot, but the million dollar question is whether or not he can offer anything else to a team.

[Revering4Blue]

Having watched all his games, I can say you heard wrong. Like all shooters, he has irrational confidence, but, for the most part, he shoots what's given to him.

Monk's issues are two-fold. He tends to fall in love with a mid-range fade-away when challenged, and he'll occasionally drive into the teeth of the defense instead of settling for easy floaters. He'll need to fix those moving forward, but, for the most part, he's going to be lethal and ready (offensively) from the get-go.

Defensively is another story. So is rebounding.

Not that I disagree with anything you've written, FWIW, though, Chad Ford's ESPN Insider Draft profile of Monk includes claims from a consensus of NBA Scouts that Monk possesses all of the tools to be a solid defender.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Not that I disagree with anything you've written, FWIW, though, Chad Ford's ESPN Insider Draft profile of Monk includes claims from a consensus of NBA Scouts that Monk possesses all of the tools to be a solid defender.

Oh, he has the tools to be a lock-down defender.

He hasn't done it yet though.

He's typically a step slow on rotations and often got caught watching the ball (especially early), allowing for back door cuts.

[WVRed]

My attempt at a mock draft:

1.LA Lakers-Markell's Fultz (PG-Washington)
2.Boston-Jayson Tatum (SF-Duke)
3.Philadelphia-Josh Jackson (SF-Kansas)
4.Phoenix-Jonathan Isaac (SF-Florida St)
5.Sacramento-De'Aron Fox (PG-Kentucky)
6.Orlando-Malik Monk (SG-Kentucky)
7.Minnesota-Lauri Markannen (PF-Arizona)
8.NY-Frank Ntilinka (PG-France)
9.Dallas-Dennis Smith (PG- NC State)
10.Sacramento-Zach Collins (PF-Gonzaga)
11.Charlotte-OG Anunoby (SF-Indiana)
12.Detroit-Donovan Mitchell (SG-Louisville)
13.Denver-Justin Jackson (SF-UNC)
14.Miami-Lonzo Ball (PG-UCLA)
15.Portland-Justin Patton (C-Creighton)
16.Chicago-John Collins (PF-Wake Forest)
17.Milwaukee-Bam Adebayo (PF-Kentucky)
18.Indiana-Jarrett Allen (C-Texas)
19.Atlanta-Tony Bradley (C-UNC)
20.Portland-Jordan Bell (PF-Oregon)
21.OKC-Terrance Ferguson (SG-Australia)
22.Brooklyn-Harry Giles (PF-Duke)
23.Toronto-Ivan Rabb (PF-Cal)
24.Utah-TJ Leaf (PF-UCLA)
25.Orlando-Frank Jackson (PG-Duke)
26.Portland-Isaiah Hartenstein (PF-Lithuania)
27.Brooklyn-Ike Anigbogu (C-UCLA)
28.Boston-Luke Kennard (SG-Duke)
29.San Antonio-Semi Ojeleye (SF-SMU)
30.Utah-DJ Wilson (SF-Michigan)

1. I have the Lakers moving up to take Fultz. Lakers will give up both first round picks plus Julius Randle.

2. Yes, I also have Lonzo Ball going on a slide. I think the concern over LaVar Ball, lackluster workouts, and throwing everything into the Lakers is going to backfire. Miami makes the most sense as Riley and Spoelstra reel him in and pair him with Justice Winslow.

3. I think Jayson Tatum is more of a Danny Ainge type of player than Josh Jackson. If Boston trades down I don't think they will be doing so for Jackson but it will be a smokescreen similar to last year with Jaylen Brown over Jamal Murray.

[SteelSD]

1. I have the Lakers moving up to take Fultz. Lakers will give up both first round picks plus Julius Randle.

Probably not. David Aldridge and Adrian Wojnarowski are both reporting that it's a done deal; to be finalized Monday with the Sixers sending Boston the 3rd selection plus LA's 2018 and SAC's 2019 picks (allegedly with protections). That makes sense because I don't think there's any way that Fultz gets diverted from Boston for a Philly visit unless there was a deal already agreed to in principle, but contingent on making sure that Fultz' foot wasn't broken (Philly fans will get that joke). And I don't see any way Fultz agreed to work out for a team with only an outside chance of being able to draft him.

The Lakers couldn't outbid that, even if they did have interest as reported. Their late first round pick this season is essentially valueless as low as it is and Randle wouldn't make up the gap even if he did make sense for the Celtics.

Now, it's interesting that the Celtics didn't wait until the draft to see who the Lakers grabbed with the #2 pick. To me, that makes it less likely that the Celtics will actually make a selection for their own team and more likely that they'll package that pick with other items for Jimmy Butler as rumored. I would not anticipate Ball dropping below pick 3- especially if it's really Chicago making the selection. I would, however, see Tatum dropping to the bottom of the top 10; if not out of it entirely. He's like a shorter clone of Jah Okafor. If Ainge actually kept the #3 pick and used it on Tatum, I'd chuckle.

[Kingspoint]

Having watched all his games, I can say you heard wrong. Like all shooters, he has irrational confidence, but, for the most part, he shoots what's given to him.

Monk's issues are two-fold. He tends to fall in love with a mid-range fade-away when challenged, and he'll occasionally drive into the teeth of the defense instead of settling for easy floaters. He'll need to fix those moving forward, but, for the most part, he's going to be lethal and ready (offensively) from the get-go.

Defensively is another story. So is rebounding.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Kingspoint]

I'm hoping Olshey is setting things up to reach out and grab Tatum if he falls past 6. I'd love it if he found a way to move to 5 or 6 to grab Tatum.

[Kingspoint]

Probably not. David Aldridge and Adrian Wojnarowski are both reporting that it's a done deal; to be finalized Monday with the Sixers sending Boston the 3rd selection plus LA's 2018 and SAC's 2019 picks (allegedly with protections). That makes sense because I don't think there's any way that Fultz gets diverted from Boston for a Philly visit unless there was a deal already agreed to in principle, but contingent on making sure that Fultz' foot wasn't broken (Philly fans will get that joke). And I don't see any way Fultz agreed to work out for a team with only an outside chance of being able to draft him.

The Lakers couldn't outbid that, even if they did have interest as reported. Their late first round pick this season is essentially valueless as low as it is and Randle wouldn't make up the gap even if he did make sense for the Celtics.

Now, it's interesting that the Celtics didn't wait until the draft to see who the Lakers grabbed with the #2 pick. To me, that makes it less likely that the Celtics will actually make a selection for their own team and more likely that they'll package that pick with other items for Jimmy Butler as rumored. I would not anticipate Ball dropping below pick 3- especially if it's really Chicago making the selection. I would, however, see Tatum dropping to the bottom of the top 10; if not out of it entirely. He's like a shorter clone of Jah Okafor. If Ainge actually kept the #3 pick and used it on Tatum, I'd chuckle.

Just this year's #3 plus a future 1st (Lakers or Sacramento's).

From Rotoworld...

Updating a previous item, the Celtics are expected to receive the 2017 No. 3 pick and the 2018 Lakers picks with protections in exchange for the 2017 No. 1 pick, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical.

If that Lakers pick doesn't convey with the protections next year, the Celtics will receive the 2019 Kings pick. The protections are still not clear, but the NBA changed its rules where unprotected picks acquired in previous deals can add protections, so the 76ers could have some protections on these unprotected assets. This report of only getting two picks is also coming from the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald. The trade call will be finalized on Monday.

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

I'm trying to picture the tall Fultz and Simmons vs the short C.J and Dame.

[Revering4Blue]

My attempt at a mock draft:

1.LA Lakers-Markell's Fultz (PG-Washington)
2.Boston-Jayson Tatum (SF-Duke)
3.Philadelphia-Josh Jackson (SF-Kansas)
4.Phoenix-Jonathan Isaac (SF-Florida St)
5.Sacramento-De'Aron Fox (PG-Kentucky)
6.Orlando-Malik Monk (SG-Kentucky)
7.Minnesota-Lauri Markannen (PF-Arizona)
8.NY-Frank Ntilinka (PG-France)
9.Dallas-Dennis Smith (PG- NC State)
10.Sacramento-Zach Collins (PF-Gonzaga)
11.Charlotte-OG Anunoby (SF-Indiana)
12.Detroit-Donovan Mitchell (SG-Louisville)
13.Denver-Justin Jackson (SF-UNC)
14.Miami-Lonzo Ball (PG-UCLA)
15.Portland-Justin Patton (C-Creighton)
16.Chicago-John Collins (PF-Wake Forest)
17.Milwaukee-Bam Adebayo (PF-Kentucky)
18.Indiana-Jarrett Allen (C-Texas)
19.Atlanta-Tony Bradley (C-UNC)
20.Portland-Jordan Bell (PF-Oregon)
21.OKC-Terrance Ferguson (SG-Australia)
22.Brooklyn-Harry Giles (PF-Duke)
23.Toronto-Ivan Rabb (PF-Cal)
24.Utah-TJ Leaf (PF-UCLA)
25.Orlando-Frank Jackson (PG-Duke)
26.Portland-Isaiah Hartenstein (PF-Lithuania)
27.Brooklyn-Ike Anigbogu (C-UCLA)
28.Boston-Luke Kennard (SG-Duke)
29.San Antonio-Semi Ojeleye (SF-SMU)
30.Utah-DJ Wilson (SF-Michigan)

1. I have the Lakers moving up to take Fultz. Lakers will give up both first round picks plus Julius Randle.

2. Yes, I also have Lonzo Ball going on a slide. I think the concern over LaVar Ball, lackluster workouts, and throwing everything into the Lakers is going to backfire. Miami makes the most sense as Riley and Spoelstra reel him in and pair him with Justice Winslow.

3. I think Jayson Tatum is more of a Danny Ainge type of player than Josh Jackson. If Boston trades down I don't think they will be doing so for Jackson but it will be a smokescreen similar to last year with Jaylen Brown over Jamal Murray.

An NBA Mock Draft by anyone, even the so-called experts, in this one-and-done/underclassman-centric era is an exercise in futility. May as well have fun with it. Last year, with many projected first-rounders (some, lottery projected) winding up in the second and vice-versa, was the wackiest in memory.

Ball to Dallas would be priceless with the LaVar and Cuban dynamic.Ball landing in Miami would amount to falling into a pile of manure (Falling precipitously in this draft) only to emerge smelling like a rose.

More thoughts:

A future front-line of Issac, Chriss and Bender...Man, that'd be scary in a few years.

Charlotte swinging for the fences, as you have them with the Anunoby pick, would be the first time that franchise has done so, which is one major reason why they've been stuck in a perpetual treadmill cycle.

Bradley and Bell have both been, reportedly rising up the draft charts. Bell. in particular, is interesting as, in addition to rim-protection, a good number of scouts view him as potentially capable of defending virtually any position on the floor. Ojeleye and Wilson are others of whom I believe will surprise.

[Kingspoint]

Blazers brought in on the 12th:

20.2-yr old PF/C Caleb Swanigan
19.9-yr old PF/C Thomas Bryant
23.4-yr old SG Antonius Cleveland
23.0-yr old SG Charles Cook
22.2-yr old PG Justin Robinson
20.0-yr old G Kobi Simmons

Monday is their last workout.

Bell and Rabb are supposed to be there. Would like to see Justin Jackson, Zach Collins, Jarrett Allen, Ike Anigbogu and Isaiah Hartenstein there.

I am very glad Markanen hasn't been here. I want nothing to do with him. He looks like a major bust to me.

[Revering4Blue]

Here are a couple of Draft Day trade ideas -- both involving the Phoenix Suns, which, theoretically, can be executed in one night:

Bucks improve bench; Suns grab another top 20 pick.



To Bucks:
Jared Dudley
Pick #32
2018 2nd from Suns

To Suns:
Mirza Teletovic
Pick #17


Hornets add rim-protection, scoring punch at small forward, and a scoring, ball-handling option/compliment to take pressure off Kemba Walker; Suns add defensive-minded small forward who compliments their young existing forwards, an athletic option to tag-team with Alex Len, and a bigger, surprisingly efficient, shooting guard to spell Booker.



To Hornets
Tyson Chandler
Brandon Knight
TJ Warren
Pick #54

To Suns
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Jeremy Lamb
Cody Zeller

Yay or nay?

[Kingspoint]

A future front-line of Issac, Chriss and Bender...Man, that'd be scary in a few years.

Charlotte swinging for the fences, as you have them with the Anunoby pick, would be the first time that franchise has done so, which is one reason that they've been stuck in a perpetual treadmill cycle.

Phoenix is putting together several good pieces that will grow together.

Bam is very much in play for Portland. He was very impressive in his workout here. He really stood out.

I wonder if Portland is hoping one of Bam, Patton, John Collins or other PF/C's they like are there at #20. Justin Jackson will not be. I still go with my original thought that they hold onto the #20 (maybe moving up 2-3 spots to a targeted player if they can/have to), and use #15, #26, future 1st's/2nd's and contracts (Crabbe/Leonard/Davis/Connaughton/Ezeli) to move up to a targeted player.

[Kingspoint]

Love the Hornets/Suns trade for both teams. Don't know enough about Teletovic to have an opinion.

Hornets are more built for winning now. What they get helps them much more than what they give away. Suns benefit well from this.

[WVRed]

An NBA Mock Draft by anyone, even the so-called experts, in this one-and-done/underclassman-centric era is an exercise in futility. May as well have fun with it. Last year, with many projected first-rounders (some, lottery projected) winding up in the second and vice-versa, was the wackiest in memory.

Ball to Dallas would be priceless with the LaVar and Cuban dynamic.Ball landing in Miami would amount to falling into a pile of manure (Falling precipitously in this draft) only to emerge smelling like a rose.

More thoughts:

A future front-line of Issac, Chriss and Bender...Man, that'd be scary in a few years.

Charlotte swinging for the fences, as you have them with the Anunoby pick, would be the first time that franchise has done so, which is one major reason why they've been stuck in a perpetual treadmill cycle.

Bradley and Bell have both been, reportedly rising up the draft charts. Bell. in particular, is interesting as, in addition to rim-protection, a good number of scouts view him as potentially capable of defending virtually any position on the floor. Ojeleye and Wilson are others of whom I believe will surprise.

I picked Isaac there because of the logjam Phoenix has at PG with Knight, Bledsoe, and Ulis, and the UK homer in me thinks Ulis could be the steal of last years draft.

In that situation though, Lonzo Ball would be a better fit in Phoenix having Booker to create for than Fox who is more of the lead guard.

I wouldn't characterize Anunoby as swinging for the fences though. He basically fits the Charlotte profile in a polished college player (Raymond Felton, Sean May, Frank Kaminsky, Cody Zeller, Kemba Walker).

[redsfanmia]

Paul George surprises no one by announcing he isn't resigning with the Pacers.

[KoryMac5]

Yeah Pacers mgmt is in disarray with Bird stepping down, and every time George opens his mouth he further kills his trade value. Rumor has it Cleveland wants in but I have to think Indiana floated this rumor just to generate some interest to get the Lakers to come to the table to make a deal.

[Kingspoint]

Paul George surprises no one by announcing he isn't resigning with the Pacers.

That's so unprofessional, while back-stabbing a franchise that was nothing but good to you. No wonder Bird stepped down. Sick of dealing with players like George. I didn't want him before as a Blazer. I definitely don't want him now. Ainge would never bring a guy like him for as much as he would cost into the Celtics organization. Can't see Jerry West recommending him, either. He's destined to become a Laker. Pritchard may as well get what he can from the Lakers now and get rid of the guy. He'll be lucky to get a future 1st Rd pick. They will get a better draft pick next year if they get rid of him now and all of his minutes can be used for development. Get rid of everyone 26+ years of age now and give those minutes to the future while getting a better draft pick next season.

I'm so sorry to hear that. Pritchard and the Pacers deserve better. Pritchard will figure it out.

[Kingspoint]

BTW, teams don't agree to a deal five days before the draft unless one of them needs it done in order to make another deal with the acquired draft pick(s). Boston is definitely trying to trade what they just acquired from Philly before the draft is over. Since they have #37, #53 & #56, it's not for anyone in the 2nd or bottom of the first as they could move up to acquire that. There could be someone projected 5-20 that they want and may as well pay the correct price for him. Or, they may want to make sure they can get the blockbuster player they want, such as Anthony Davis, by sending four 1st's, two of which would be very good thanks to this trade, so they can skip drafting a Center. How can New Orleans not take four 1st's, since they have failed miserably to make use of Davis anyway and are still years away from doing so? Start over again with a goldmine of assets to build a new foundation.

[Kingspoint]

It's going to be very difficult for the East to keep the Sixers out of the playoffs. I know teams in the NBA don't make huge jumps in one season, but there's no reason why their goal can't be the #4 seed. Boston, Cleveland and Washington should be 1-3. Miami, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and depending what happens in the Draft, Trades and Free Agency, Toronto, Chicago, Detroit and Charlotte will fight it out for 4-10. Knicks, Pacers, Nets, Orlando and Atlanta are all in either major rebuild or rudderless.

Philly could make themselves more balanced by acquiring one of only two players who shot 300+ Three's @ 44%+ last season. (Korver is the other) The #36 or #39 pick would probably do it. That still gives them three more 2nd's. Paul Allen would probably rather keep him for one more year if he couldn't get #36, as Olshey can still get under the cap and avoid tax for this season and thus the double-tax kicker when he'll surely be over the cap in '18-'19. Philly can absorb Crabbe's salary for at least two of the three years left on it, and it may not seem like so much by then for a sharpshooter who can space the floor like no other. Sixers need spacing. Simmons and Furtz will take shots away from Covington and Saric, but neither of them can come close to shooting as well as Crabbe, who has improved his FG% each of his years in the league.

[SteelSD]

Philly could make themselves more balanced by acquiring one of only two players who shot 300+ Three's @ 44%+ last season. (Korver is the other) The #36 or #39 pick would probably do it. That still gives them three more 2nd's. Paul Allen would probably rather keep him for one more year if he couldn't get #36, as Olshey can still get under the cap and avoid tax for this season and thus the double-tax kicker when he'll surely be over the cap in '18-'19. Philly can absorb Crabbe's salary for at least two of the three years left on it, and it may not seem like so much by then for a sharpshooter who can space the floor like no other. Sixers need spacing. Simmons and Furtz will take shots away from Covington and Saric, but neither of them can come close to shooting as well as Crabbe, who has improved his FG% each of his years in the league.

Waitaminit...it was only like a week ago when you cited Crabbe as having such a poor basketball IQ that you didn't want him on your team. If the Sixers are looking to spend 18-20M per year, I'd hope they could do a lot better than that without dealing a draft pick for it.

Crabbe has the kind of contract where Portland would have to deal picks just to get rid of it.

[M2]

Philly could use a perimeter defender and a 4-5 combo player to clean the glass. Josh Hart and Jonathan Motley might be in their 2nd round mix (they've got four picks), but a veteran or two wouldn't hurt.

From what I'm seeing locally, Ainge had better seal the deal on Jimmy Butler or the natives are going to be restless. The assumption has become that he's the reason the team is dealing the #1 pick.

[Bourgeois Zee]

How can New Orleans not take four 1st's, since they have failed miserably to make use of Davis anyway and are still years away from doing so? Start over again with a goldmine of assets to build a new foundation.

The #3 pick and three other number one picks for Anthony Davis?

I'm not a Pelicans' fan, but I think I'd do that. Cousins could approximate Davis' production in the low post/ at PF, and New Orleans could go super young around him, with those picks plus their own (which are very likely to be high choices as well). Drafting, say, KU's Jackson, Duke's Tatum, or UK's Fox at #3 this season, then Mahamed Bamba and Gary Trent, Jr., next year AND Zion Williamson the next would strike me as an interesting option at least.

[M2]

What could Indiana get from L.A. for George? For instance, if the Lakers are taking Lonzo Ball, is D'Angelo Russell available? You'd have to think players like Larry Nance Jr., Jordan Clarkson and Ivica Zabac would be on the Pacers' radar. Draft picks might not be worth that much because Philly has L.A.'s selection next year and if players like Russell Westbrook or LeBron show up the next season, the picks in 2019 and beyond might be well outside the lottery.

[Bourgeois Zee]

What could Indiana get from L.A. for George? For instance, if the Lakers are taking Lonzo Ball, is D'Angelo Russell available? You'd have to think players like Larry Nance Jr., Jordan Clarkson and Ivica Zabac would be on the Pacers' radar. Draft picks might not be worth that much because Philly has L.A.'s selection next year and if players like Russell Westbrook or LeBron show up the next season, the picks in 2019 and beyond might be well outside the lottery.

Indiana sends the 18th pick and George to LA for the #2 pick and PF Julius Randle?

Were I Indiana, I'd be thrilled with that deal. George is as good as gone after the season. The second pick could be a difference-maker, and Randle's a double-double guy who will play far defense with Turner behind him. With the second pick, Indiana could pick up their choice of Ball, Jackson, Teague, or Fox. Nice choices. They'd still have the 47th pick to use on, say, PG Frank Mason or SF Dwayne Bacon (two sleepers later in the draft, IMO) too.

LA loses Randle, but won't miss him in the least. The second pick hurts, but, at 18, they can still grab a guy like Creighton's C Justin Patton or a hometown guy like Ike Anigbogu. George is an All-NBA-level talent, too.

The new LA lineup would be decent:

PG D'Angelo Russell
SG

[BuckeyeRed27]

Indiana sends the 18th pick and George to LA for the #2 pick and PF Julius Randle?

Were I Indiana, I'd be thrilled with that deal. George is as good as gone after the season. The second pick could be a difference-maker, and Randle's a double-double guy who will play far defense with Turner behind him. With the second pick, Indiana could pick up their choice of Ball, Jackson, Teague, or Fox. Nice choices. They'd still have the 47th pick to use on, say, PG Frank Mason or SF Dwayne Bacon (two sleepers later in the draft, IMO) too.

LA loses Randle, but won't miss him in the least. The second pick hurts, but, at 18, they can still grab a guy like Creighton's C Justin Patton or a hometown guy like Ike Anigbogu. George is an All-NBA-level talent, too.

The new LA lineup would be decent:

PG D'Angelo Russell
SG

That is a big price to pay for a guy you might have for free in a year. The only incentive LA has to go and grab George now is so he doesn't go to Cleveland for a year and win a title and like it and want to stay. It's a pretty fascinating situation.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Dealing George to Cleveland for Kevin Love and a future second rounder would be hella-interesting.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Dealing George to Cleveland for Kevin Love and a future second rounder would be hella-interesting.

What is even more interesting is if the Cavs can get it done with Thompson and a bunch of picks. I'm not sure the Pacers do it, but they really don't have any leverage. Just depends on how much of a game of chicken the Cavs want to play and what the Lakers want to throw at them to get him now.

[Revering4Blue]

Dealing George to Cleveland for Kevin Love and a future second rounder would be hella-interesting.

That's actually better than most of the trades proposed on the internet. It could also get interesting if Cleveland buys their way into the second round this year, sending that pick or Cidi Osman Indy's way. Love gives Indy a bona-fide All-Star caliber player who would compliment, rather than overlap, Myles Turner's game. Another option would be a third team involved as a destination for Love, with assets heading to Indy.

I also wouldn't put it past Miami or, yes, even Boston, to get involved here.

Riley is very much a "future is now" type of GM. Riley could offer Winslow, #14 and a future heavily protected first-rounder, and still have enough room for a max-contract (Hayward, Griffin) addition.

No way Ainge is giving up the #3 for George, but something like this could work:

Crowder (Redundant with George and Brown), Bradley (Likely to Bolt after '18) two #2s in this very deep draft, and any Future #1 excluding Brooklyn's '18 and the pick acquired from Philly. As with Miami, Boston could acquire George and another Max-contract. As an sside, George has stated that Hayward is someone he'd like as a teammate; this may be a chance.

The logic (or lack thereof) of the average Joe "Six-Pack" Laker fan is baffling:

Everyone: You're not getting George for scraps.
Laker Fans: We can get him for free..Someone will take both Mozgov and Deng off our hands, and we'll have the cap-space for George in '18.
Everyone: But you'll lose him to a contender!
Laker Fans: Whatever... better to wait.
Everyone: Well, he could decide he likes the new team and you won't get him, or get your foot in the door with LeBron in '18.
Laker Fans: Whatever.... better to wait and get him for free.
Everyone: What? Didn't you hear us? He may want to stay in his new location.
Laker Fans: (covers ears) We can't hear you; EVERYONE wants to be a Laker.

That said, I doubt the #2 is in play from LA. IMHO, they are fools to hold either Russell or Ingram from trade talks under the assumption that you'd be dealing away the next Westbook or Durrant, respectively...Don't hold your breath there.

I'd imagine something like this would be offered and accepted:

George and Jefferson (Only 4 Million guaranteed for '19), '19 second that was dealt to Indy for Hibbert returned to LA for Russell, Randle, Mozgov and #28.

Five years plus of George is certainly worth more than what they (LA) would give up there, and is the one and only way they'll attract other high profile Free Agents.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I'm not sure the Pacers do it, but they really don't have any leverage.

Well sure they do.

Indiana can keep him until the All-Star break.

They can deal him to another team thisclose to the playoffs, like Minnesota (for Rubio and their #7 pick).

Denver would likely trade a pick or two, one of Mudiay or Jamal Murray, and the Manimal.

Phoenix might be interested in dealing Eric Bledoe, RFA rights to Alex Len, and the 32nd pick.

Would New Orleans be willing to part with DeMarcus Cousins for George and the #17 pick? Maybe.

If the Pacers are looking for draft picks, Sacramento's likely willing to give up the number 10 spot and Rudy Gay.

They can deal him to a team looking to compete for the Eastern Conference crown, like Toronto (for Normal Powell and Jonas Valanciunas).

Houston fits this bill too. A trade centered around Eric Gordon, Patrick Beverley, and Houston's two number two picks for George and the #17 pick would be interesting and just the gamble Fat Elvis would love.

And that's just off the top of my head-- Thompson's not all that valuable a piece, honestly. At this point, he's salary ballast.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Well sure they do.

Indiana can keep him until the All-Star break.

They can deal him to another team thisclose to the playoffs, like Minnesota (for Rubio and their #7 pick).

Denver would likely trade a pick or two, one of Mudiay or Jamal Murray, and the Manimal.

Phoenix might be interested in dealing Eric Bledoe, RFA rights to Alex Len, and the 32nd pick.

Would New Orleans be willing to part with DeMarcus Cousins for George and the #17 pick? Maybe.

If the Pacers are looking for draft picks, Sacramento's likely willing to give up the number 10 spot and Rudy Gay.

They can deal him to a team looking to compete for the Eastern Conference crown, like Toronto (for Normal Powell and Jonas Valanciunas).

Houston fits this bill too. A trade centered around Eric Gordon, Patrick Beverley, and Houston's two number two picks for George and the #17 pick would be interesting and just the gamble Fat Elvis would love.

And that's just off the top of my head-- Thompson's not all that valuable a piece, honestly. At this point, he's salary ballast.

So a fringe contender is going to give up major assets for a 3 month Paul George rental? Why? To lose to the Warriors or Cavs in 5 instead of 4 and then be awful the next year because you gave up everything you had? No one, except Cleveland, is going up major assets to rent Paul George. Which is why you push them hard to take TT and picks instead of Love. Now the Pacers might not do it and hope for the best.

Also I like all the trades you put up, those are smart and would probably work in most cases. I just don't think any of those teams don't it unless George is going to sign a contract with them.

[KoryMac5]

Cleveland shifting gears to bringing Butler in from Chicago, T-Wolves also interested. Cavs switched from George to Butler pretty quick, most likely because George only wants to play for LA...

[Kingspoint]

Crabbe has the kind of contract where Portland would have to deal picks just to get rid of it.There's zero truth in that. While I personally don't like Crabbe's basketball IQ, he fools a lot of people. Remember,...Portland matched the offer. They didn't create it. There isn't a player the Sixers can draft or trade for over the next three years that shoots as well as Crabbe. Not even close.

Because of Lillard's and McCollum's Defense and shorter stature, the luxury of Crabbe's dead-eye marksmanship exposes the team too much Defensively. This wouldn't be the case on most teams, and specifically Philly. Crabbe fits like a glove in Philly, and don't be surprised if you see Crabbe knocking down 200 3's shortly, this year or next, for some team other than Portland, who received more in compensation for him than if they had just let him go and not match the Net's offer.

[Kingspoint]

Blazers brought in on the 12th:

20.2-yr old PF/C Caleb Swanigan
19.9-yr old PF/C Thomas Bryant
23.4-yr old SG Antonius Cleveland
23.0-yr old SG Charles Cook
22.2-yr old PG Justin Robinson
20.0-yr old G Kobi Simmons

Monday is their last workout.

Bell and Rabb are supposed to be there. Would like to see Justin Jackson, Zach Collins, Jarrett Allen, Ike Anigbogu and Isaiah Hartenstein there.

I am very glad Markanen hasn't been here. I want nothing to do with him. He looks like a major bust to me.

The Blazers last workout today was a coup de gras.

In today were:

19.5-yr old C Jarrett Allen (for a private workout, where all the other workouts were of a group variety. I wouldn't play anything into this as I think Allen just couldn't get here in the morning)
22.2-yr old Justin Jackson (a player I've been targeting since March)
22.5-yr old PF Jordan Bell (a player I've been targeting since March)
20.4-yr okd PF Ivan Rabb (a player I've wanted avoided since March)
19.1-yr old PF/C Isaiah Harkenstein ( born in Eugene, Oregon)
22.5-yr old SF Wesley Iwundu (a player I've been targeting since March)
22.4-yr old SG/SF Erik Thomas

Would love to end up with Iwundu, Bell and Allen.

[M2]

Cleveland shifting gears to bringing Butler in from Chicago, T-Wolves also interested. Cavs switched from George to Butler pretty quick, most likely because George only wants to play for LA...

Unless they part with Kyrie (and then what's the point?), is there any way the Cavs could out-bid the Celtics for Butler? I mean, with all those draft picks, you've got to figure it's Celtics or nowhere for Butler, right? I guess the Cavs could put Love and Thompson on the table, but that seems less than enthralling.

[Revering4Blue]

Unless they part with Kyrie (and then what's the point?), is there any way the Cavs could out-bid the Celtics for Butler? I mean, with all those draft picks, you've got to figure it's Celtics or nowhere for Butler, right? I guess the Cavs could put Love and Thompson on the table, but that seems less than enthralling.

No, not a chance. Even with using Love as a facilitator to funnel assets to Chicago via a third team, Love won't garner enough assets by himself to land Butler. Heck, Minnesota could outbid the Cavs, and have been reportedly in on Butler.

It's likely that Cleveland leaked interest in Butler to pressure the Pacers into accepting a straight-up offer of Kevin Love without considering offers from elsewhere. Worst case scenario, as BZ pointed out in post #85, the Pacers will just call George's bluff, as Denver did with Melo in '11, and deal him at the deadline. Either way, scraps (TT/Smith/Shumpert) and picks aren't getting you George, even in this situation.

[Revering4Blue]

Brian Windhorst: The Cavs and general manager David Griffin will part ways according to sources
– via Twitter WindhorstESPN


According to a source familiar with the breakdown in negotiations, Griffin did not want to stay going forward with Gilbert’s vision for the franchise being different from his.
– via ESPN

Ric Bucher: Connecting dots just for the heck of it: Jerry West, new LAC consultant, once tried to hire David Griffin in Memphis.
– via Twitter RicBucher

[RedTeamGo!]

Frankly, I've never understood what people think Griffin did so welll is.

Lebron announced he was coming back, had nothing to do with Griffin.

Lebron called Love. Had nothing to do with griffin.

Wolves told Griffin what they wanted - Wiggins.

Lebron told Griffin to sign Thompson and he did it - horrible deal

Lebron told Griffin to sign Shumpert and he did it - horrible deal

Griffin let Dele go - mistake

Griffin signed endless revolving door of over-the-hill vets - whoopdy do

Griffin got Korver - he was terrible in the postseason

What exactly did he do?

[Revering4Blue]

The #3 pick and three other number one picks for Anthony Davis?

I'm not a Pelicans' fan, but I think I'd do that. Cousins could approximate Davis' production in the low post/ at PF, and New Orleans could go super young around him, with those picks plus their own (which are very likely to be high choices as well). Drafting, say, KU's Jackson, Duke's Tatum, or UK's Fox at #3 this season, then Mahamed Bamba and Gary Trent, Jr., next year AND Zion Williamson the next would strike me as an interesting option at least.

Taken in a vacuum, I'd do that were I New Orleans. But it is feasible with Cousins a year away from free agency?

[Revering4Blue]

Frankly, I've never understood what people think Griffin did so welll is.

Lebron announced he was coming back, had nothing to do with Griffin.

Lebron called Love. Had nothing to do with griffin.

Wolves told Griffin what they wanted - Wiggins.

Lebron told Griffin to sign Thompson and he did it - horrible deal

Lebron told Griffin to sign Shumpert and he did it - horrible deal

Griffin let Dele go - mistake

Griffin signed endless revolving door of over-the-hill vets - whoopdy do

Griffin got Korver - he was terrible in the postseason

What exactly did he do?

The JR Smith deal looks like flushed money, too.

Dellevadova's salary jumped from 1.5 milion to over 9 million; not sure the Cavs could have afforded him.

Everything else, including your general point, is spot-on.

[SteelSD]

There's zero truth in that. While I personally don't like Crabbe's basketball IQ, he fools a lot of people. Remember,...Portland matched the offer. They didn't create it. There isn't a player the Sixers can draft or trade for over the next three years that shoots as well as Crabbe. Not even close.

Because of Lillard's and McCollum's Defense and shorter stature, the luxury of Crabbe's dead-eye marksmanship exposes the team too much Defensively. This wouldn't be the case on most teams, and specifically Philly. Crabbe fits like a glove in Philly, and don't be surprised if you see Crabbe knocking down 200 3's shortly, this year or next, for some team other than Portland, who received more in compensation for him than if they had just let him go and not match the Net's offer.

Allen Crabbe has a poison pill 15% bump to his salary if traded. Allen Crabbe at 18-19M per is insane. Alan Crabbe at 21-22M per season? That's the kind of move that helped Blazers all the way to a .500 record and a negative point differential. The Blazers shouldn't have signed the guy and I want nothing to do with having my favorite team give up anything for him. You said that Crabbe is not a smart player and doesn't play defense. There's nothing we know about Allen Crabbe before this season that we didn't know about before last season. No, sir. Please shift your wagon to the other to the other side of the street and peddle your wares to more unsuspecting folk.

[Revering4Blue]

The 76ers might not be done making trades.

Bryan Colangelo made that known a little more than an hour after trading up two spots to No. 1 in the NBA draft via a blockbuster trade with the Boston Celtics on Monday afternoon.

“I think whether we were selecting at No. 1 or staying at 3, there’s been some talk about our interest in acquiring yet another pick,” said Colangelo, the team’s president of basketball operations. “I’m not going to give up those efforts because we moved up to No. 1.

“I always feel that future assets are future assets, but when you can look at a group of talent in this particular draft and know that you have a comfort level with those players who are there, grab them while you can.”

Don’t be surprised if the Sixers deal a player on the current roster and/or perhaps package couple of second-rounders or future picks in their quest to add another first-rounder in Thursday’s draft.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/sixers/2017-nba-draft-philadelphia-76ers-sixers-eye-another-first-round-pick.html

[Bourgeois Zee]

Taken in a vacuum, I'd do that were I New Orleans. But it is feasible with Cousins a year away from free agency?

They could either pay him the max and build around he and the youngsters, deal him for a pick or two, or just let him go and tank for a couple of seasons.

It'd be an interesting move, for sure.

So is the Boogie/ Davis team-up. I'm still all-in on that and think they could run some really fun offensive sets. Imagine a high pick and roll/ pop between the two. How do you stop Boogie with a head of steam? How do you stop Davis' roll to the hoop?

[Bourgeois Zee]

The 76ers might not be done making trades.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/sixers/2017-nba-draft-philadelphia-76ers-sixers-eye-another-first-round-pick.html

I wonder if Sacramento would be willing to part with the 10th pick for Dario Saric?

[Kingspoint]

I'm hoping the Blazers draft:

#15 - C Adebayo
#20 - SF Justin Jackson
#26 - PF Bell
2nd Round - Iwundu, Lydon, Hartenstein or Oliver

[Revering4Blue]

I'm hoping the Blazers draft:

#15 - C Adebayo
#20 - SF Justin Jackson
#26 - PF Bell
2nd Round - Iwundu, Lydon, Hartenstein or Oliver

Quite a haul (considering draft positions) if they can pull it off. They could certainly offer their second next year and $$ to make their way into round 2.

[Revering4Blue]

They could either pay him the max and build around he and the youngsters, deal him for a pick or two, or just let him go and tank for a couple of seasons.

It'd be an interesting move, for sure.

So is the Boogie/ Davis team-up. I'm still all-in on that and think they could run some really fun offensive sets. Imagine a high pick and roll/ pop between the two. How do you stop Boogie with a head of steam? How do you stop Davis' roll to the hoop?

Yeah, I'd like to see the Davis/Cousins experiment continue. It's too soon to pull the plug on that. Retaining Holiday (or replacing him with equivalent production, even collectively) is paramount, along with, obviously, additional cheap help. To that end, FWIW, Chad Ford has mocked for N.O as their #34 pick: none other than Semi Ojeleye.


I wonder if Sacramento would be willing to part with the 10th pick for Dario Saric?

Would you deal that pick if Monk, Collins or Markkanen are still there at #10?

FWIW, Chad Ford has Collins going #10 and Monk going #11.

[WVRed]

They could either pay him the max and build around he and the youngsters, deal him for a pick or two, or just let him go and tank for a couple of seasons.

It'd be an interesting move, for sure.

So is the Boogie/ Davis team-up. I'm still all-in on that and think they could run some really fun offensive sets. Imagine a high pick and roll/ pop between the two. How do you stop Boogie with a head of steam? How do you stop Davis' roll to the hoop?

Would you take Anthony Davis, knowing you would eventually lose him in free agency?

Or take all of Bostons "assets" and build a super team through the draft.

Adding Davis to Horford and Thomas would be scary though.

[M2]

Don’t be surprised if the Sixers deal a player on the current roster and/or perhaps package couple of second-rounders or future picks in their quest to add another first-rounder in Thursday’s draft.

But are there any takers for Okafor?

[Revering4Blue]

But are there any takers for Okafor?

Chicago at #16 seems plausible. As mentioned previously, they only have two bigs under contract after June 30. Okafor is a Chicago kid and the Bulls may gamble on a change of scenery scenario and that his ceiling is still higher than bigs on the draft board.

[Kingspoint]

Quite a haul (considering draft positions) if they can pull it off. They could certainly offer their second next year and $$ to make their way into round 2.

I'm thinking the Davis contract ($8M/1-yr) nets a 2nd. E.D. added 20 pounds of muscle last off-season. He was much stronger. Had the shoulder injury the last two months of the year. Once again this off-season (Blazers constantly practice together under Lillard's leadership, as the chemistry is awesome and they all buy into the program) when practices are over, it's Moe, E.D. and Layman this season who are staying in the gym working on different parts of their game on different courts with the Assistants.

Ed Davis can change the energy of a game when he gets in. Two seasons ago he was top-3 in the NBA for rebounds-per-36. But, we can get that and have cheap control for four seasons if we draft Jordan Bell, who has more versatility as a Defender, and is the best shot-blocker in this draft. As West Virginia adroitly suggested, we might have to take Bell at #20 to get him. Of his 12 workouts, he said today's was probably his best. Justin Jackson said that his was off. Rabb didn't work out because of injury, and Allen had to work out solo because he missed the flight.

I think Zach Colloins didn't come here, not because we aren't ready to move up to get him, as we worked out Donovan Mitchell, but because Nurkic just went through a traumatic situation in Denver where he was told he was the Starter only to get the rug pulled out from under him. We don't want to draft a Center whom he could feel as a threat to his status, implied or not. It's the same that we wouldn't draft a premier PG or premier SG because of Lillard and C.J. These three are the core of the team and need to be treated as such. Any other Center drafted won't be seen as a threat or slight, as we won't have to trade up numerous spots to get them like we'd have to for Zach Collins.

As far as Markkanen, we don't need another shooter, especially a big, who can't play Defense, and with Markkanen, he's at least a second contract away from learning how. We need bigs who can score in the low-post, defend the rim, or block a shot right now. A tall wing who can shoot like Lydon, we already have in Layman. Layman is a better rebounder and looks capable of developing his Defense, but he can shoot lights out, as can Connaughton, the 4th string PG, who is also a great rebounding Guard (highest vertical at the combine). Connaughton's contract must be guaranteed by July 24th.

The developing Ed Davis and untapped Pat Connaughton will be hard decisions to make, as far as keeping him. Connaughton could be included in a deal, or outright let go. Davis fills a need for many teams and should net a 2nd. We only have two roster spots unless we move one of these two. Ezeli's and Quarterman's spots are the open ones. Davis has to go for the simple reason that Vonleh will get 1500 minutes (probably 200-300 at Center) as his development takes another step. Aminu is still going to get more minutes than Vonleh at PF, though he may not start. Portland is definitely drafting at least one PF, who needs 1000-1200 minutes his first season to properly develop. Davis needs to be traded, and is the easiest to trade. If they draft a 4th player, they will have until July 24th to open up a roster spot if they want to keep Connaughton.

[Kingspoint]

Quite a haul (considering draft positions) if they can pull it off. They could certainly offer their second next year and $$ to make their way into round 2.

Honestly, as long as "at least", one is a true rim protector and another is a PF, I'd take any three from this group. Olshey can always trade money and contracts to move up 2-3 spots, if he needs to.

In order of most important to least important...

Bam Adebayo
Jordan Bell
Justin Patton
John Collins
Jarrett Allen
Justin Jackson
Wesley Iwundu
Ike Anigbogu
T.J. Leaf

So, if I draft "my board", I take Bam @ 15, Bell @ 20 and Iwundu @ 26, because I can't be sure that Adebayo will be there at #20 and Bell will be there at #26, so that forces my hand. That leaves Iwundu as the best of who is likely still there at #26. I could gamble and take Collins first, and be prepared to leapfrog for Bam at #17 or #18 (I might have to leapfrog to #12 or #13 to get him, which I would do if intelligence and espionage bid that I must do so), and be prepared to leapfrog to #22 through #24 to get Bell, but that might not work out. I'd rather be sure that I get the elite shot-blocking of Adebayo and Bell, and then add the defensive and offensive athleticism of Iwundu.

The two 2nd's I'd like to see us get one of (which means trading away another player, such as Crabbe or Connaughton...got to keep Napier, or just letting Connaughton go) are Damyean Dotson and Cam Oliver.

[Kingspoint]

The door cracks open for Chris Paul...

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Adrian Wojnarowski‏ of The Vertical is reporting that Pau Gasol will decline his $16.2 million option for 2017-18, but intends to work with the Spurs on a longer term deal to remain in San Antonio.

Gasol declining his player option gives the Spurs finical flexibility to pursue attractive free agents this summer. Woj adds that the plan is for Gasol to return to San Antonio on a multi-year deal, but at a smaller annual salary. Exactly how much money Pau is willing to sacrifice is unknown at this point. Gasol averaged just 25.4 minutes per game last season (he had previously never averaged fewer than 31 minutes a night). As a result, he posted career-lows in points (12.4) and assists (2.3).

Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter

[BuckeyeRed27]

Lakers sending Russell and Mosgov to Brooklyn for Lopez and the 28th pick in the draft. That seems like an amazing deal for the Lakers.

[WVRed]

Lakers sending Russell and Mosgov to Brooklyn for Lopez and the 28th pick in the draft. That seems like an amazing deal for the Lakers.

The pick more than anything. They can package the two late first round picks plus either Julius Randle or Jordan Clarkson for George.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Lakers sending Russell and Mosgov to Brooklyn for Lopez and the 28th pick in the draft. That seems like an amazing deal for the Lakers.

Interesting deal. Russell's a huge "get" just two years removed from being the number two pick in the draft. He'll be expected to shoulder the offensive load and be the dominant ball handler on the team. (Or at least share those responsibilities with Lin.) He's going to be able to shoot until his elbow hurts, then shoot some more. And Brooklyn will be able to run. Expect Russell to go for 20 ppg and be a poor man's Harden. He's the best player in this deal by a pretty wide margin, IMO. Mozgov isn't a completely lost cause either. He can be a double-double guy while protecting the rim for the Nets. He and Hamilton can be a pretty solid center option.

With this deal, the Nets still have holes at both forward positions. Hollis-Jefferson is an energy guy playing too many minutes. Ditto Caris LeVert. Were I Atkinson, I'd throw money at Iguodola and Taj Gibson to be starters and earn big minutes. (Gibson might well jump at that. Iggy, less so.) I might also push Archie Goodwin to SF. He showed well late last season.

For LA, it's a gamble. At this point in his career, Lopez is pretty much a sieve defensively. He and Randle will struggle to play together under the basket, so look for Randle to get dealt (likely) or for one of them to move to the second unit. The 27th pick is fun to dream on. It's obvious Magic has his eye on someone he believes has been overlooked a bit. (I'm guessing it's Caleb Swanigan.) They also get out from under Mozgov's contract for next year.

Of course, LA might also be grabbing Lopez just to move him in a package.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Lopez is in the last year of his contract. They took him so he can play serviceable offense this year and not be on the books next year. Mosgov still has 3 years left on that awful contract.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Alright, Pacer fans, who would you want more-- Julius Randle or Jordan Clarkson?

It seems as if it's the 27th and 28th picks plus one of those two for George.

Who you got?

[Revering4Blue]

Alright, Pacer fans, who would you want more-- Julius Randle or Jordan Clarkson?

It seems as if it's the 27th and 28th picks plus one of those two for George.

Who you got?

Randle....in a landslide! He was a former lottery pick for a reason: His ceiling is still very high and a great athlete. As you said, he's a double-double machine. He still fits very well in the modern NBA, with an outside shot that has improved each year. In this draft, you can still land two decent players that late or trade up. What I did/do not want was/is Clarkson at a center of a deal.

That said, if the Lakers insist upon Deng going to Indy, no dice unless they take back Ellis or Jefferson. Houston is reportedly offering Gordon, Dekker and a first or Gordon and two firsts, though.

[Revering4Blue]

Short and to the point: The Lakers-Nets deal is a win-win for both sides.

[KoryMac5]

Lakers called every team in the lottery with that deal and every team said no...Brooklyn has been decimated by the lack of picks from their trade with Boston so getting Russell will add talent even if they have to take back a terrible contract in Mozgov.

[Revering4Blue]

ESPN's Marc Stein said that the Cavaliers remain "seriously interested" in Paul George and Jimmy Butler.

Butler is hoping to stay in Chicago and George told the Pacers he's leaving as a free agent next summer, so George is likely more attainable. The Cavaliers probably don't have the assets to make a George deal work, so a third team would have to be involved. Meanwhile, the Lakers have reportedly offered the 27th and 28th overall picks and Indiana's choice of either Julius Randle or Jordan Clarkson, so it sounds like a George trade could go down this week.

Per Rotoworld.

Butler to Cleveland is going to take Divine Intervention, and doesn't seem plausible, unlike a potential Butler to Minny, Phoenix or Denver trade. Wade is reportedly opting in, so I doubt that the Bulls move Butler, but stranger things have happened.

[Revering4Blue]

Trade Alert! Trade Alert!

Again, Per Rotoworld.

The Hawks have traded Dwight Howard to the Hornets according to Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical.

You know Howard's career is going downhill fast when the Hawks have to attach the 31st pick to the big man in order to obtain Marco Belinelli, Miles Plumlee and the 41st pick.

[Revering4Blue]

David Aldridge‏ @daldridgetnt

Lakers, per sources, engaged Sacramento in talks that would have sent the 2nd pick to the Kings for Sac’s two 1st-rounders (5 and 10). Lakers would have then packaged one of the Kings’ picks w/27 & 28 along w/player in offer to Indy for Paul George. But Kings said no.

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[Bourgeois Zee]

David Aldridge‏ @daldridgetnt

Lakers, per sources, engaged Sacramento in talks that would have sent the 2nd pick to the Kings for Sac’s two 1st-rounders (5 and 10). Lakers would have then packaged one of the Kings’ picks w/27 & 28 along w/player in offer to Indy for Paul George. But Kings said no.

Good.

Fox and a shooter (Kennard? Monk? Mitchell?) or SF (Jackson? Lydon?) would be my picks. (I'd actually be willing to trade back in the draft and grab a second rounder, if possible.) No need to move up, as I believe Fox might be the best player that comes out of this draft anyway. His shot isn't broken; his form is good. And he's super quick. Plus, he plays defense. He's better, IMO, than Ball and proved it-- twice-- against him this season. Fox was among the best players in the NCAA Tournament, and his upside is massive.

[Bourgeois Zee]

The Hawks have traded Dwight Howard to the Hornets according to Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical.

Howard for Belinelli, Plumlee, and a pick is a sneaky good move for the Hornets. When you add the first second rounder, it's a steal.

PG K. Walker
SG N. Batum
SF MKG
PF M. Williams/ Kaminsky
C Howard

Solid starting five. Need some depth.

[Revering4Blue]

Howard for Belinelli, Plumlee, and a pick is a sneaky good move for the Hornets. When you add the first second rounder, it's a steal.

PG K. Walker
SG N. Batum
SF MKG
PF M. Williams/ Kaminsky
C Howard

Solid starting five. Need some depth.

Agreed.

This almost assures that Atlanta will grab a center in the first round -- with quality candidates assuredly available.

Charlotte (with Zeller, M.Williams/Kaminsky and Lamb off the bench) may get a crack at Mitchell or Monk at #11. Several "experts" suggest that Monk may drop out of the Top Ten, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[Revering4Blue]

Good.

Fox and a shooter (Kennard? Monk? Mitchell?) or SF (Jackson? Lydon?) would be my picks. (I'd actually be willing to trade back in the draft and grab a second rounder, if possible.) No need to move up, as I believe Fox might be the best player that comes out of this draft anyway. His shot isn't broken; his form is good. And he's super quick. Plus, he plays defense. He's better, IMO, than Ball and proved it-- twice-- against him this season. Fox was among the best players in the NCAA Tournament, and his upside is massive.

Fox may well be the best true PG in the draft --- For the sake of comparison, I view Fultz as more of a James Harden type, notso much as a true PG --- when all is said and done, and certainly not worth jumping over to land Ball.

As far as trading down from #10, I heard an interesting rumor on NBA Sirius FM Radio about the Jazz eyeing a lottery pick via their two late first rounders and additional assets. Hmmmmmmm.

[Bourgeois Zee]

This almost assures that Atlanta will grab a center in the first round -- with quality candidates assuredly available.

Oh, I don't know. Muscala looks like he might blossom with big minutes. With Plumlee behind him, they should be set at center.

They desperately need a power forward though. I'd go with Cameron Oliver with the 41st pick (if he's available) and Lydon or TJ Leaf with the 19th pick. I'd also let Millsap go via free agency, tank, and hope for a true difference-maker next season.

They have a chance to be truly bad this year.

[Revering4Blue]

Oh, I don't know. Muscala looks like he might blossom with big minutes. With Plumlee behind him, they should be set at center.

They desperately need a power forward though. I'd go with Cameron Oliver with the 41st pick (if he's available) and Lydon or TJ Leaf with the 19th pick. I'd also let Millsap go via free agency, tank, and hope for a true difference-maker next season.

They have a chance to be truly bad this year.
I like Muscala, but he's a UFA. Hardaway Jr. is a RFA, and it will be interesting to see if they retain him. Millsap, IMHO, likely ends up in Denver (He grew up in the area), Miami or Boston.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Fox may well be the best true PG in the draft --- For the sake of comparison, I view Fultz as more of a James Harden type, notso much as a true PG --- when all is said and done, and certainly not worth jumping over to land Ball.

As far as trading down from #10, I heard an interesting rumor on NBA Sirius FM Radio about the Jazz eyeing a lottery pick via their two late first rounders and additional assets. Hmmmmmmm.

Fultz just isn't bouncy enough, IMO, to be the monster some are making him out to be. He also plays no defense at all and will have to learn how to do that at the highest level possible.

As to the Jazz, were I the Kings, I'd absolutely package Koufos and the 10th pick for, say, Trey Lyles and the 24, 30, and 42 picks.

[Kingspoint]

Mosgov is the worst Center in the NBA.

[Kingspoint]

Agreed.

This almost assures that Atlanta will grab a center in the first round -- with quality candidates assuredly available.

I know. It sucks as they pick right ahead of Portland.

[KoryMac5]

After locking themselves in Jordan's house after he agreed to a deal with the Mavs, the Clippers are now shopping Deandre in the hopes that maybe Lebron James will come to the Clippers in 2018.

[KoryMac5]

Mosgov is the worst Center in the NBA.

That contract is soooo bad 16 mil per until 2020...

[cincrazy]

Lebron isn't motivated by challenges, he's motivated by titles and being the best. He has a far better chance of playing for a title and winning them in Cleveland than whatever situation the Clippers or Lakers might be able to slap together.

Boston got the 1 seed because the Cavs took 4 months off and then flipped the switch because they could and they are that much better than the rest of the East. They could have won 65 games if they wanted to, but why waste the energy.

They could flip the switch against the East. That's all fine and dandy. But in the Finals, there wasn't a flip they could switch that could make the difference. If Wojo says LeBron leaving is a real possibility, that means it's a REAL possibility. The Cavs have major cap issues, and repairing on the fly won't be easy. If they acquire George, it's only for one year, and they have to part with Love to do it. Their cap situation is a mess, in part because of LeBron. He left once, and Cavs fans swore he wouldn't. To honestly believe he's a changed man.... I hope for your sake you're right. I don't buy it.

[WVRed]

They could flip the switch against the East. That's all fine and dandy. But in the Finals, there wasn't a flip they could switch that could make the difference. If Wojo says LeBron leaving is a real possibility, that means it's a REAL possibility. The Cavs have major cap issues, and repairing on the fly won't be easy. If they acquire George, it's only for one year, and they have to part with Love to do it. Their cap situation is a mess, in part because of LeBron. He left once, and Cavs fans swore he wouldn't. To honestly believe he's a changed man.... I hope for your sake you're right. I don't buy it.

LeBron wants to be somewhere that he has control. It's an ego thing. He wants a say in the players surrounding him and uses his contract as leverage.

I didn't blame him the first time he left Cleveland because Dan Gilbert essentially surrounded him with aging players thinking LeBron would stay because it was home. Kyrie and Love are a LOT better than what LeBron had as a supporting cast when he first came into the league (aging Shaq and Antawn Jamison).

That said, he went somewhere that had an executive (Riley) who had major influence and wouldn't let him exert any control, hence leaving for Cleveland.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't try to sign David Griffin in an attempt to appeal to LeBron down the road. I didn't think LeBron would leave again just to be a ring chaser, but wherever he goes it will be somewhere he gets his way.

[KoryMac5]

Clippers are the perfect spot for him to land...Multi Billionaire owner who is not afraid to spend cash on the team, a new arena that will sell out each and every night, LA market to grow the Bron Brand even more, and Jerry West to seal the deal. Clips just need to keep the core together.

[KoryMac5]

Spurs trying to clear cap space and are dangling Aldridge for the 10th overall pick...Lots of maneuvering to try and clear room for next season's free agents.

[WVRed]

Clippers are the perfect spot for him to land...Multi Billionaire owner who is not afraid to spend cash on the team, a new arena that will sell out each and every night, LA market to grow the Bron Brand even more, and Jerry West to seal the deal. Clips just need to keep the core together.

But would Jerry West and LeBron get along?

I wouldn't bet money on an arena selling out in the most fair weather city imaginable either.

[Kingspoint]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't try to sign David Griffin in an attempt to appeal to LeBron down the road. I didn't think LeBron would leave again just to be a ring chaser, but wherever he goes it will be somewhere he gets his way.

Jerry West tried to get Memphis to hire Griffin when he was an advisor there. Easy to connect those dots now that West is with the Clippers.

[Kingspoint]

Blazers are suspiciously quiet.

[M2]

LeBron didn't buy a $20 million house in L.A. not to live in it. It's a race between the Lakers and Clippers to create the cap space and assemble the best supporting cast for next year. The Lakers have the marquee value, but they might need a whole new team.

Cleveland's challenge is to take one more shot with LeBron next season and make sure there's enough of a team around Kyrie after that.

[Kingspoint]

Decided to go to the draft party. Only been to one other one, as I don't tend to do the parade things (never been to a parade, except the teddybear ones for the kids) [Went to the dog track (3rd best in the country at the time and the best dogs in the country at the time) instead of the Blazer Parade in '77 (had a brand new engine in my Mazda, bought my own Timber season tickets, my girlfriend of the last three years was a Rose Festival Princess with the Rose Festival Parade seven days after the Blazer Parade, just turned '18 three days earlier, and was winning every night at the dogs, and partying afterwards,...I was crazy and stupid and life was good and easy)] (Wayne Babich was playing for the Portland Winterhawks then.) Blazers, Winterhawks, P.L. Greer and Kunta Troubles, Timbers, Portland Storm of the USFL, Drags and Auto-racing at PIR and Woodburn (many close friends racing), Kurt Russell and the Portland Mavericks, Thursday Night boxing (many close friends boxing), five to twenty minute drive to dozens of river destinations, great concerts, Thai Sticks, honey oil, and Sinsimillia,...so many great things to do.

Free buffett, so with three 1st's and no chance of free agency impacting next season, and it should be fun (will go with Father-in-Law) to see what Olshey does.

[BuckeyeRed27]

LeBron didn't buy a $20 million house in L.A. not to live in it. It's a race between the Lakers and Clippers to create the cap space and assemble the best supporting cast for next year. The Lakers have the marquee value, but they might need a whole new team.

Cleveland's challenge is to take one more shot with LeBron next season and make sure there's enough of a team around Kyrie after that.

Or he's a rich guy that bought an investment property in one of the most desirable zip codes in the world.

[RedTeamGo!]

LeBron didn't buy a $20 million house in L.A. not to live in it.

A $20 million house someone spray painted the n-word on recently and Lebron stated he was deeply bothered by it.

Anyways, Lebron very well may sign with an LA team, owning a home in LA has nothing to do with it. He's worth 100's of million, if not a billion, and he goes to LA enough he'd rather just own a home there.

[M2]

Or he's a rich guy that bought an investment property in one of the most desirable zip codes in the world.

Or his wife wants to live there full-time (https://sports.yahoo.com/rumor-lebron-james-wife-wants-200253405.html). It's feasible he sees it as a good investment which he can stay in when he's making a movie in the offseason. Yet I'd say it's more likely it's an indication that's where his life is headed.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Or his wife wants to live there full-time (https://sports.yahoo.com/rumor-lebron-james-wife-wants-200253405.html). It's feasible he sees it as a good investment which he can stay in when he's making a movie in the offseason. Yet I'd say it's more likely it's an indication that's where his life is headed.

He bought the house 2 years ago. He is going to be retired when he is 40 and they will have a lovely place to hang their hats.

Lebron is going to go to the best basketball situation, which is still Cleveland by a long shot right now. His wife will just have to figure out how to enjoy that 7 bedroom house in Akron a little bit longer.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Lebron is going to go to the best basketball situation, which is still Cleveland by a long shot right now.

Really?

You'd take Irving, Love, and the flotsam on the roster rather than the Lakers (likely with George) and the Clips?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Newest rumor is Aldridge's availability. He's been offered to the Kings for their 10th pick.

Were the the Kings, I wouldn't do that deal, but were I closer to the playoffs or needed one piece, I absolutely would.

Speaking of bigs, word is that the Knicks want a top four pick and are offering Porzingis for that and more. Would Phoenix bite on a deal of Eric Bledsoe, the fourth pick, Marquis Chriss, and the RFA rights to C Alex Len for Porzingis, the corpse of Joakim Noah, and New York's two second round picks?

That'd give the Suns the following:
PG Knight/ Ulis
SG Booker/ Barbosa
SF Warren/ Jones, Jr./ Dudley
RF Porzingis/ Bender/ Dudley
C Noah/ T. Chandler/ A. Williams

It'd give the Knicks (assuming they go Jackson at 4 and Monk at 8):
PG Bledsoe/ Randle;
SG Lee/ Monk/ Baker
SF Anthony/ Jackson/ Thomas
PF Chriss/ Ndour
C Len/ O'Quinn/ Hernangomez

Anthony could play some small ball PF with Chriss sliding into a C spot and Jackson as the defensive stopper at wing.

[RedTeamGo!]

Really?

You'd take Irving, Love, and the flotsam on the roster rather than the Lakers (likely with George) and the Clips?

You think the Cavs roster is flotsam and think the lakers are loaded with solid supporting talent? What?

Irving alone is better than the lakers supporting cast.

[WVRed]

You think the Cavs roster is flotsam and think the lakers are loaded with solid supporting talent? What?

Irving alone is better than the lakers supporting cast.

It's essentially Lonzo Ball (as much as I hate to admit it), likely Paul George, Brandon Ingraham, and Robin Lopez. Julius Randle may fit better but my guess is he goes to the Pacers for George.

And if LeBron bolts, Irving will probably try to get out of the Land as well.

[Bourgeois Zee]

You think the Cavs roster is flotsam and think the lakers are loaded with solid supporting talent? What?

Irving alone is better than the lakers supporting cast.

Moving forward, what can the Cavs do to fundamentally change their roster?

Remember, this is for 2018, not now.

The Lakers will have George (likely), a third-year Ingram, a veteran Randle, a veteran Clarkson, a third-year Zubac, and a second-year Ball.

That's a solid cast.

Moving forward, I'd much rather be in LA's shoes than Cleveland's.

The Cavs will have what they have now, only a year older. Irving's very good. Love's very good. Thompson's a role player. Everyone else pretty much sucks.

___________

What would it take for the Celtics to get Porzingis?

Would the 3rd pick, Avery Bradley, Terry Rozier, and the RFA rights to James Young for Porzingis, Lance Thomas, and Mindaugas Kuzminskas be enough?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Really?

You'd take Irving, Love, and the flotsam on the roster rather than the Lakers (likely with George) and the Clips?

Yes. That Lakers rotation is young, has a ton of question marks and would have to lose the Warriors twice in the playoffs before they were ready to compete, and frankly Lebron doesn't have that kind of time. There's a reason Lebron wanted Love and not Wiggins when he came to Cleveland. Why would that be different now when he's four years older?

[M2]

LeBron is enough of a planet to create his own ecosystem. Wherever he goes, a team will form around him.

[BuckeyeRed27]

LeBron is enough of a planet to create his own ecosystem. Wherever he goes, a team will form around him.

If the Lakers can get Lebron, George, another top 15 player and the rest of the Lakers cast, than sure maybe. Otherwise the Lebron, Love, Kyrie core is better and the team he can form around him is as good or better than the baby Lakers.

[Kingspoint]

It's essentially Lonzo Ball (as much as I hate to admit it), likely Paul George, Brandon Ingraham, and Robin Lopez. Julius Randle may fit better but my guess is he goes to the Pacers for George.

And if LeBron bolts, Irving will probably try to get out of the Land as well.

Brooks Lopez. Robin plays Defense and is the funny one. Brooks plays Offense and is the dull one.

[Kingspoint]

I'm bummed that Olshey offered a package (Pritchard's needle didn't move) for George. I want nothing to do with George.

Chalk this up to another in a long string of failed Olshey attempts that thankfully didn't work out.

I have a crappy phone for seven more months, so I won't be posting but a couple of times this evening.

Good luck to everyone. Hope you get what you want.

I want Olshey to not be stupid and to draft Adebayo, Bell and Iwundu.

[Revering4Blue]

Newest rumor is Aldridge's availability. He's been offered to the Kings for their 10th pick.

Were the the Kings, I wouldn't do that deal, but were I closer to the playoffs or needed one piece, I absolutely would.

Speaking of bigs, word is that the Knicks want a top four pick and are offering Porzingis for that and more. Would Phoenix bite on a deal of Eric Bledsoe, the fourth pick, Marquis Chriss, and the RFA rights to C Alex Len for Porzingis, the corpse of Joakim Noah, and New York's two second round picks?

That'd give the Suns the following:
PG Knight/ Ulis
SG Booker/ Barbosa
SF Warren/ Jones, Jr./ Dudley
RF Porzingis/ Bender/ Dudley
C Noah/ T. Chandler/ A. Williams

It'd give the Knicks (assuming they go Jackson at 4 and Monk at 8):
PG Bledsoe/ Randle;
SG Lee/ Monk/ Baker
SF Anthony/ Jackson/ Thomas
PF Chriss/ Ndour
C Len/ O'Quinn/ Hernangomez

Anthony could play some small ball PF with Chriss sliding into a C spot and Jackson as the defensive stopper at wing.

Not a bad idea at all, but is it possible to trade UFA rights?

[Revering4Blue]

Moving forward, what can the Cavs do to fundamentally change their roster?

Remember, this is for 2018, not now.

The Lakers will have George (likely), a third-year Ingram, a veteran Randle, a veteran Clarkson, a third-year Zubac, and a second-year Ball.

That's a solid cast.

Moving forward, I'd much rather be in LA's shoes than Cleveland's.

The Cavs will have what they have now, only a year older. Irving's very good. Love's very good. Thompson's a role player. Everyone else pretty much sucks.

___________

What would it take for the Celtics to get Porzingis?

Would the 3rd pick, Avery Bradley, Terry Rozier, and the RFA rights to James Young for Porzingis, Lance Thomas, and Mindaugas Kuzminskas be enough?

The NY Daily News reported the Knicks are asking for: No. 3, the Nets pick next year, Jae Crowder and Jaylen Brown.

[Revering4Blue]

Per ESPN:

The Denver Nuggets and Chicago Bulls were engaged with the Phoenix Suns on Eric Bledsoe trade talks leading to the draft.

If the Suns pick De'Aaron Fox at No. 4, it likely means they were able to trade away Bledsoe.

Chris Haynes adds the talks with Denver would feature Emmanuel Mudiay and the No. 13 pick.


Also, The Nuggets, who spoke to the Bulls at the February trade deadline about Jimmy Butler, have engaged with Chicago again as the draft approaches, a source tells Jeff Goodman of ESPN. According to Goodman, any offer Denver makes obviously wouldn’t include Nikola Jokic, but would feature multiple young players and draft picks.

[WVRed]

Per ESPN:

The Denver Nuggets and Chicago Bulls were engaged with the Phoenix Suns on Eric Bledsoe trade talks leading to the draft.

If the Suns pick De'Aaron Fox at No. 4, it likely means they were able to trade away Bledsoe.

Chris Haynes adds the talks with Denver would feature Emmanuel Mudiay and the No. 13 pick.


Also, The Nuggets, who spoke to the Bulls at the February trade deadline about Jimmy Butler, have engaged with Chicago again as the draft approaches, a source tells Jeff Goodman of ESPN. According to Goodman, any offer Denver makes obviously wouldn’t include Nikola Jokic, but would feature multiple young players and draft picks.

Would they take Fox with Mudiay in the fold?

[Revering4Blue]

Would they take Fox with Mudiay in the fold?

Good question. They could roll with Mudiay and Ulis on the second unit with Ulis playing a Calvin Murphy-like role. I'm still really high on Ulis.

[Kingspoint]

Blazers inteviewed me. If it shows it will be on their facebook and/or website.

[Kingspoint]

Would any of this interfere with offering and signing Griffin to a max contract? If so, then the timing just has to occur after Griffin signs.

Boston is going to be very scary next season as their options are unlimited. Ainge also won't make the same mistake he admitted he made last season...not pulling the trigger on an obviously great offer.

Tatum seems like an Ainge type of pick.

...

[Stray]

Wait, the Bulls gave up Jimmy Butler and the 16th pick for Lavine, Dunn and #7?

Man what a fantastic deal for Minnesota. No idea why Chicago would do it tho.

[SteelSD]

Celtics traded down to take Tatum. <chuckle>

[Bourgeois Zee]

Wait, the Bulls gave up Jimmy Butler and the 16th pick for Lavine, Dunn and #7?

Man what a fantastic deal for Minnesota. No idea why Chicago would do it tho.

Minnesota's starting lineup is solid. And could well get better with the 16th pick:
PG Rubio
SG Butler
SF Wiggins
PR Towns
C Dieng

Add someone like John Collins, Jarrett Allen, or Bam Adebayo with the 16th pick, and that's a solid core who's remarkably cheap. (Comparatively.) A couple vets to play bench roles, and this team could challenge for a top four seed as early as next season.

[SteelSD]

Ok, is it just me or does Jonathan Isaac look a lot like a very tall Grace Jones tonight?

[Stray]

Minnesota's starting lineup is solid. And could well get better with the 16th pick:
PG Rubio
SG Butler
SF Wiggins
PR Towns
C Dieng

Add someone like John Collins, Jarrett Allen, or Bam Adebayo with the 16th pick, and that's a solid core who's remarkably cheap. (Comparatively.) A couple vets to play bench roles, and this team could challenge for a top four seed as early as next season.

Yup, fantastic deal for the Wolves. They're ready to contend right now.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Zach Collins going to Portland for the 15th and 20th picks.

Really like Collins as a stretch four-- if he can play there defensively. The jury's out on that. Right now, he's a foul waiting to happen, but offensively, he's really fun to watch.

[Kingspoint]

I scooped the Blazer and Kings and Collins pick to the Blazers' media at the draft party 10 minutes before they got news from Portland.

That was pretty cool.

Great pick. We got the best big in the draft...exactly what we needed.

[KoryMac5]

Collins is a bit of a project but all the bigs in this draft will be projects....

T Wolves look to have the makings of a 50 win team...they absolutely stole Butler from the Bulls.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Monk to the Hornets at 11 will look like a steal as early as next season. He can open up the lane pretty much by himself. With Dwight Howard and Monk, Charlotte's had a fine off-season. Both Monk and Fox seem to have outsized personalities. Positionless basketball in Carolina: Batum, MKG, Marvin Williams, Kemba, Monk-- all can play more than one spot.

Love that small-ball lineup too (Walker, Monk, Batum, M. Williams, Kaminsky). All shooters.

[WVRed]

Trey Lyles to Denver so the Jazz can move up to take Donovan Mitchell.


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[Bourgeois Zee]

Denver grabs Utah's 24th pick and Trey Lyles for Donovan Mitchell.

Great deal for the Nugs, as Lyles just needs minutes. He took a major step backward last season, but is still remarkably young. (Lyles is one year older than Mitchell.) Add in the 24th pick (Anunoby, Lydon, Anigbogu range)? Easy call.

[WVRed]

Bam Adebayo to the Miami Heat.


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[Bourgeois Zee]

Bam Adebayo to the Miami Heat.

That's a bit higher than most had him.

Adebayo as a PF/ C backup behind Whiteside and James Johnson should be fun to see blossom.

The Riley/ UK connection? Perhaps.

Three Kentucky players in the lottery.

[Revering4Blue]

Bam Adebayo to the Miami Heat.


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Evidently, he blew them away with his three-point shooting in workouts. This could be an absolute steal.

[RedTeamGo!]

Kings are killing it

[Kingspoint]

Bam Adebayo to the Miami Heat.


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I had him and hoping he would go at 15 to Portland, so Olshey must have known this and if he had to move up two or three spots to get Adebayo, then go up five and get Zach Collins.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Kings are killing it

Fox and Justin Jackson are upper level picks. Jackson can play either wing. With Hield (who I'm still not sold on), they should be able to shoot.

PG Fox
SG Hield
SF Jackson
PF LaBassiere
C Cauley-Stein

That's a super young team with lots of upside. And the Kings still have another pick to go.

[Kingspoint]

Wolves take Patton.

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Bucks take D.J.Wilson.

[Kingspoint]

Pacers taking Leaf.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Patton as a backup C? Learning behind Towns and Dieng?

He reminds me of Towns, actually.

Wow, the T'Wolves have just destroyed the off-season so far. Lots of young, talented upside.

No one in their starting lineup is over 27.

Were I a free agent, Minnesota's one team I'm calling.

[Bourgeois Zee]

The obligatory Calipari interview.

HS player ears perk up. Or at least should.

Mentions Booker, Rose, one-and-done.

"Can I recruit a little bit?"

Shot of 14 lottery picks under Cal.

"It's about the kids."

Free commercial.

[Revering4Blue]

Patton as a backup C? Learning behind Towns and Dieng?

He reminds me of Towns, actually.

Wow, the T'Wolves have just destroyed the off-season so far. Lots of young, talented upside.

No one in their starting lineup is over 27.

Were I a free agent, Minnesota's one team I'm calling.

Still can't fathom receiving Butler and the rights to Patton for what they sent to Chicago. Thibs took them to the cleaners. I doubt the Wolves miss Dunn with Jones as backup PG.

Wonder if Chicago will, in fact, buy out Wade. If so, cheap help for the Cavs.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Wonder if Chicago will, in fact, buy out Wade. If so, cheap help for the Cavs.

Good call.

Who need Butler? Or George?

Wade might be enough to hold off... whoever the East might throw at them.

Speaking of, how much stronger has the West gotten? They've grabbed one of the East's best players and dominated the draft.

[Revering4Blue]

Wolves take Patton.

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Bucks take D.J.Wilson.


Pacers taking Leaf.

The Bucks have three chief needs: More rim-protection; more shooters to surround the Greek Freak with; someone quick enough to help defend the perimeter. Wilson fills all three needs.

Had Leaf mocked to Indy...Love the pick.

If OG Anunoby is still there at 20, the Kings should pounce on him.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Pacers chose Leaf based on his resemblance to Jimmy Chitwood.

1256612567

[Bourgeois Zee]

Collins is a guy I go back and forth on. He doesn't have much of a shot outside the paint, and he has short arms.

He'll get plenty of chances next season.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Kings get Harry Giles.

Meh.

Good gamble, I guess, but he can't guard a tree.

If he finds his athleticism, this is a sneaky good pick.

From most accounts, a good kid.

Three Dukies.

[Revering4Blue]

Collins is a guy I go back and forth on. He doesn't have much of a shot outside the paint, and he has short arms.

He'll get plenty of chances next season.

I would have gone for Jarrett Allen there.

Still can't believe he's still on the board.

[Bourgeois Zee]

OKC gambling on Ferguson. Really solid place for him. All he has to do is shoot and guard a little. I'd have gone Anunoby, but there's not much difference in the two.

That said, the Thunder have to start thinking about dealing Westbrook, don't they?

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I would have gone for Jarrett Allen there.

Still can't believe he's still on the board.

Again, good call.

Allen makes all the sense in the world for the Nets. They need a center and upside. He has both.

[M2]

I've become sold on the notion that Tony Bradley is cut from the Brad Daugherty mold and thus more likely to produce than most of the other bigs that have come off the board in recent picks.

[Revering4Blue]

Within 24 hours, the Nets acquire two lottery talents and a serviceable -- granted, overpaid, but still not as overpaid per year/length as Cleveland's TT, whose production per minute + per $$$ allocated is actually worse than Mozgov -- center.

Billy King has definitely left the building.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Within 24 hours, the Nets acquire two lottery talents and a serviceable -- granted, overpaid, but still not as overpaid per year/length as Cleveland's TT, whose production per minute + per $$$ allocated is actually worse than Mozgov -- center.

Billy King has definitely left the building.

Sean Marks and Kenny Atkinson will have them all shooting threes. Allen, within the next three years, will be a stretch five.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Raps grab Anunoby.

Defender to play behind DeRozan, Carroll, and Powell.

Solid pick who could well be a steal.

Poor interview, though.

[Revering4Blue]

I've become sold on the notion that Tony Bradley is cut from the Brad Daugherty mold and thus more likely to produce than most of the other bigs that have come off the board in recent picks.

Production-wise, that's a good comp. But they're different types of centers.

Bradley will likely be lucky to approximate Brad D's NBA offense. Brad could body-up and play positional defense, but Bradley is a better rim-protector and may not rebound as well per minute as Brad.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Lydon to Denver.

Big shooter. Good rebounder. Can't handle much at all. Questionable D.

Like the pick for the Nugs. Has a chance to be a contributor.

[Revering4Blue]

Lydon to Denver.

Big shooter. Good rebounder. Can't handle much at all. Questionable D.

Like the pick for the Nugs. Has a chance to be a contributor.

This very likely means that Gallo is gone. Where will he go? OKC?

[Bourgeois Zee]

This very likely means that Gallo is gone. Where will he go? OKC?

How about Utah?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Andzedj Pasecniks goes to Magic.

Draft and stash? They have Isaac, Biyombo, Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, and Zimmerman already under contract, yes?

[Revering4Blue]

Andzedj Pasecniks goes to Magic.

Draft and stash? They have Isaac, Biyombo, Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, and Zimmerman already under contract, yes?

Sources: Philadelphia is acquiring Orlando's 25th pick to select Anžejs Pasečņiks. Perhaps Colangelo has another trade lined up for a guard using Okafor or (I hate to say it) Holmes. Then again, maybe Meeks is also coming over to Philly from Orlando.

The Swanigan pick by Portland is puzzling given the Blazers' current roster construction.

[Bourgeois Zee]

The Swanigan pick by Portland is puzzling given the Blazers' current roster construction.

Yeah, don't get that one.

[Revering4Blue]

As usual, the Spurs land a gem -- Derrick White -- late in the 1st.

[SteelSD]

Sources: Philadelphia is acquiring Orlando's 25th pick to select Anžejs Pasečņiks. Perhaps Colangelo has another trade lined up for a guard using Okafor or (I hate to say it) Holmes. Then again, maybe Meeks is also coming over to Philly from Orlando.

I like Pasecniks, but he may be a draft-and-stash. Really looks like more of a Porzingis perimeter type though rather than a true center.

[Kingspoint]

Yeah, don't get that one.

I just hope we drafted him for someone else. Swanigan has been a the top of my "Do not want" list since early March.

[Revering4Blue]

I like Pasecniks, but he may be a draft-and-stash. Really looks like more of a Porzingis perimeter type though rather than a true center.

Anzejs Pasecniks is one hell of a value pick at 25. Super mobile, can stroke 3s, drive. Terrific move by Philly.
- Kevin O'Connor @KevinOConnorNBA

Profiles as a stretch-Five, who can swing to Four.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Frank Jackson to New Orleans.

Good spot for him. Lots of opportunities for shots and assists.

Lots of upside with Jackson.

After giving away Tim Frazier, this is a good move for the Pels.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Kings have drafted D'Aaron Fox, Justin Jackson, Harry Giles, and add Frank Mason.

Obviously, they believe Mason's the BPA, but it's a curious move. Good value, but where are the minutes going to come?

[Revering4Blue]

Kings have drafted D'Aaron Fox, Justin Jackson, Harry Giles, and add Frank Mason.

Obviously, they believe Mason's the BPA, but it's a curious move. Good value, but where are the minutes going to come?

Galloway opted out and Lawson, Collison and Evans are UFAs. On a related note, Rudy Gay opted out, too.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Jonah Bolden to 76ers.

Fran Fraschilla raves.

Love Fraschilla's raving.

Bolden a draft and stash? I'd guess so.

[Kingspoint]

Paul Allen's "buddy", Bert Kolde, had to have been the influencing factor on that pick because it makes no sense. Seriously. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Bourgeois Zee]

With 17 small forwards, Boston grabs Semi Ojeleye. Great talent, but he'll have to earn it. Minutes in Boston will be scarce.

Likely a G League All-Star next to all the other Boston guys who travel between Maine and Massachusetts.

[Revering4Blue]

Paul Allen's "buddy", Bert Kolde, had to have been the influencing factor on that pick because it makes no sense. Seriously. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Perhaps Olshey has found a taker for Davis or Leonard. That's all I can think of.

[Revering4Blue]

Jonah Bolden to 76ers.

Fran Fraschilla raves.

Love Fraschilla's raving.

Bolden a draft and stash? I'd guess so.

I had him mocked to Philly but lower in the second. Evidently, some scouts viewed him as a late first rounder who can play either forward position.

[Revering4Blue]

With 17 small forwards, Boston grabs Semi Ojeleye. Great talent, but he'll have to earn it. Minutes in Boston will be scarce.

Likely a G League All-Star next to all the other Boston guys who travel between Maine and Massachusetts.

Scuttlebutt, FWIW, has this pick, Crowder, Memphis's #1 'in 19 and one of Boston's own 1sts offered to (or going to) Indy for George.

[Revering4Blue]

Per the Vertical:

Sources: Golden State acquired Jordan Bell from the Bulls for cash. A lot of it.

Two years in a row that the Warriors acquire first round talent for cash.

That, my friends, is some fine GMing.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Scuttlebutt, FWIW, has this pick, Crowder, Memphis's #1 'in 19 and one of Boston's own 1sts offered to (or going to) Indy for George.

Ojeleye, Crowder, and two numbers ones for Paul George is not a bad haul for the Pacers.

Lots of interchangeable parts for Indiana.

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Per the Vertical:

Sources: Golden State acquired Jordan Bell from the Bulls for cash. A lot of it.

Two years in a row that the Warriors acquire first round talent for cash.

That, my friends, is some fine GMing.

God, the Bulls are such a joke.

[Bourgeois Zee]

IU C Thomas Bryant goes to the Jazz. (Not really.)

Bryant to Lakers behind Zubic, Lopez. That'll be a hard rotation to crack.

Unless, of course, LA deals Lopez.

[Revering4Blue]

Ojeleye, Crowder, and two numbers ones for Paul George is not a bad haul for the Pacers.

Lots of interchangeable parts for Indiana.

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God, the Bulls are such a joke.

We'll see if that George trade comes to fruition, but, yeah, the fact that they turned down a deal for Kevin Love debunks the myth that the Pacers have no leverage.

This Bulls trade is nuts. On top of that, the Bulls pick that's going to GS was a pick acquired as a conditional first from the Kings six years ago that's just now conveyed.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Damyean Dotson, dare I say?, is an actual good move for the Knicks. He's a 3 and D guy who can already fill it up and has an NBA body.

[Revering4Blue]

IU C Thomas Bryant goes to the Jazz. (Not really.)

Bryant to Lakers behind Zubic, Lopez. That'll be a hard rotation to crack.

Unless, of course, LA deals Lopez.

Surprising to a degree that they didn't select the local UCLA rim-protecting center with that pick. They're in the Driver's seat with Lopez, as they can deal him at the deadline if need be for a nice return with his expiring contract.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Pacers go major upside with Ike Anigbogu.

Good spot for him too, as he can learn behind Turner.

Worries about his medicals made him drop.

Pacers must have a point guard in their sights already because Monte Ellis is pretty much all they have currently.

[Revering4Blue]

Damyean Dotson, dare I say?, is an actual good move for the Knicks. He's a 3 and D guy who can already fill it up and has an NBA body.

Jackson is practically the opposite of Ainge: he draft's fairly well, but is all thumbs with trades and free-agent signings.

Like this pick a lot and wanted him in Indy, but am thrilled with Anigbogu, though he is an injury risk.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Sindarius Thornwell, South Carolina's best player and SEC POY, goes to the Bucks. He's a do-it-all guy. Could be a sleeper along the lines of Malcolm Brogdon.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Sixers have drafted Fultz, Bolden, Evans, and Brown. Evans, Brown, and Fultz can shoot, though there are only so many minutes for guards on that roster.

Philly goes international with Mathias Lessort, another PF from overseas.

Pretty sure he'll end up being a draft and stash.

[Revering4Blue]

Several second-rounders already on the move:

Sources: Clippers are trading for Philadelphia's No. 39 selection and taking Juwan Evans.

Sources: Houston is selecting Oregon's Dillon Brooks and trading him to Memphis with the No. 45 overall pick in the NBA Draft. Orlando is trading Ivan Rabb to Memphis.

Sources: Milwaukee is acquiring Philadelphia's No.46 overall pick for Sterling Brown.

ources: Clippers are acquiring Sindarius Thornwell from Milwaukee with the No. 48 overall pick in the NBA Draft

[Bourgeois Zee]

Sindarius Thornwell, South Carolina's best player and SEC POY, goes to the Bucks. He's a do-it-all guy. Could be a sleeper along the lines of Malcolm Brogdon.

Check that. He's going to the Clips. Really like this pick for LA. He might actually be a good bench guy or even a starting SF. He and Juwan Evans are good value in the second round. Nice move, Doc. Or should I say Mr. West?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Good pick by Suns. Alec Peters, if healthy, is a 3 and D guy who can rebound. Will be a rotation guy sooner or later.

[Puffy]

I've become sold on the notion that Tony Bradley is cut from the Brad Daugherty mold and thus more likely to produce than most of the other bigs that have come off the board in recent picks.

Wow, good call. I still hate you. Not how I hate Chip but still.....

[Puffy]

By the way, as a Knicks fan - not happy.

Not happy at all. Frank Nkitikkaiussshas is project. I don't have confidence here

[Revering4Blue]

Good pick by Suns. Alec Peters, if healthy, is a 3 and D guy who can rebound. Will be a rotation guy sooner or later.

Can't believe that he was available. Reed may have been a reach, though, but this make makes up for it.

[Revering4Blue]

Sources: Indiana is acquiring No. 52 overall pick in the NBA Draft from New Orleans and selecting Xavier's Edmond Sumner.

Leaf, Anigbogu and Sumner....not a bad night.

But, for now, George is still a Pacer.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Can't believe that he was available. Reed may have been a reach, though, but this make makes up for it.

I don't know about Jackson either. Lots of teams loved him, but that shot is bad and the handle is worse. He also has a history that's questionable, at best. Major anger issues.

[Gallen5862]

The Charlotte Hornets trade Frank Jackson to Pelicans for Dwayne Bacon




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Hornets picks this year: SG Malik Monk from Kentucky (No. 11) and SF Dwayne Bacon from Florida State (No. 40).

[Revering4Blue]

I don't know about Jackson either. Lots of teams loved him, but that shot is bad and the handle is worse. He also has a history that's questionable, at best. Major anger issues.

I'm not sold on Jackson, either. Even with Bledsoe in tow, I'd have gone with Fox or Issac there. Bledsoe has a long wingspan and could have fit next to Booker or Fox. And, as I mentioned before, you could've also played Ulis with any of the three guards, as he could've roamed in a Calvin Murphy role.

[Revering4Blue]

Here's a good source for undrafted free agent signings, which are already occurring as I type this.

The link isn't working, but it's this twitter account.

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Covering the NBA for @TheVertical on Yahoo.

[Revering4Blue]

The Charlotte Hornets trade Frank Jackson to Pelicans for Dwayne Bacon




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Hornets picks this year: SG Malik Monk from Kentucky (No. 11) and SF Dwayne Bacon from Florida State (No. 40).


Bacon, IMO, is a sleeper, who may also play SF.

Potential bench:

Monk (combo guard)
Lamb
Bacon
Kaminsky
Zeller

Plus, they landed Dwight Howard for Plumlee and Bellineli.

Nice work, Cho.

[M2]

Wow, good call. I still hate you. Not how I hate Chip but still.....

I thought you only hated me when I'm pretending to be the Red Sox. To be fair, I hate me when I'm doing that too.

[Kingspoint]

I think Olshey's trying to get fired so he can get another gig in LA or Phoenix.

[Kingspoint]

Per the Vertical:

Sources: Golden State acquired Jordan Bell from the Bulls for cash. A lot of it.

Two years in a row that the Warriors acquire first round talent for cash.

That, my friends, is some fine GMing.

It sure as heck is. They got Green, version 2.0. Makes me sick. Sacramento put Olshey over a barrel and told him he'd like it.

[Kingspoint]

Check that. He's going to the Clips. Really like this pick for LA. He might actually be a good bench guy or even a starting SF. He and Juwan Evans are good value in the second round. Nice move, Doc. Or should I say Mr. West?

And, the Jerry West influence begins.

[WVRed]

I'm not sold on Jackson, either. Even with Bledsoe in tow, I'd have gone with Fox or Issac there. Bledsoe has a long wingspan and could have fit next to Booker or Fox. And, as I mentioned before, you could've also played Ulis with any of the three guards, as he could've roamed in a Calvin Murphy role.

I don't know how well Fox and Booker would have played off each other. Booker needs someone who can create for him (Ulis, Lonzo Ball), while Fox is more of a lead guard who would have taken touches away from Booker.

But yeah, Jackson is probably going to be a bust.

[15fan]

Solid strategy by new Hawks GM recently hired from Golden State:

Build around the solid, smooth and stoic big man from Wake.

[Bourgeois Zee]

But yeah, Jackson is probably going to be a bust.

I don't know about "bust", but IMO, he look a lot like Corey Brewer did coming out of college.

Good player to have on your team, but not a difference-maker.

Of course, he's only 19, so what do I know.

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Solid strategy by new Hawks GM recently hired from Golden State:

Build around the solid, smooth and stoic big man from Wake.

Yeah Rodney Rodgers was awesome.

[Chip R]

LeBron is enough of a planet to create his own ecosystem. Wherever he goes, a team will form around him.

Even if it doesn't, you put LeBron on any team - even the Nets and Knicks - and that team is automatically a playoff team.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Alright, NBA fans, you've seen where they're going. You know the systems. So, who are the draft's best players? Who's going to struggle?

[Boston Red]

So, who are the draft's best players?

Donovan Mitchell and Nigel Williams-Goss. Obviously.

[Puffy]

I thought you only hated me when I'm pretending to be the Red Sox. To be fair, I hate me when I'm doing that too.

Sorry - with the Reds being so bad the New Yorker in me has come out and I've been watching a lot of Yankee baseball. They have this Aaron Judge cat who is pretty, pretty good.

[Assembly Hall]

Alright, NBA fans, you've seen where they're going. You know the systems. So, who are the draft's best players? Who's going to struggle?

I don't really have an answer to your questions. But there are 3 guys that I am going to be keeping a close eye on because I think they will be "stars". Zach Collins, Caleb Swanigan, and OG Anunoby.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Pat Riley said Bam Adebayo is "an above the rim player for real while other guys try to play above the rim."

The Heat were gushing over the No. 14 pick at his press conference and Riley even compared him to former six-time All Star Shawn Kemp and said his jersey will one day be in the rafters. Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said he's excited about the defensive versatility he brings and added that he was "stunned" how well "a young man this large and athletic and explosive that can move his feet and be that light on the ground." Bam is more of a traditional big man, but he is working on his shooting and should be in the mix for minutes right away with Willie Reed entering free agency.

Source: Kentucky.com

[Kingspoint]

I don't really have an answer to your questions. But there are 3 guys that I am going to be keeping a close eye on because I think they will be "stars". Zach Collins, Caleb Swanigan, and OG Anunoby.

If you're teasing me, I understand. I went through all the stages of grief after the draft. If you're serious about Zach and Caleb, then it helps during my acceptance stage.

For me, Tatum stands head-and-shoulders above the rest.

Then Isaac.

For bigs, Zach Collins has the highest floor, but I'd rather have Adebayo.

Best player not taken in the First Round...A tie between Wesley Iwundu and Jordan Bell.

Orlando got both Isaac and Iwundu. Great start by their new G.M.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

The Cavaliers, Pacers and Nuggets have reportedly discussed a three-team deal that would send Paul George to Cleveland, with Kevin Love going to Denver.

To be clear, nothing is imminent and there's no mention of what Indiana would get in this scenario -- Denver would likely send them a combination of young players and draft picks. It would be a very interesting move from the Nuggets, who acquired Trey Lyles on draft day but could lose Danilo Gallinari in free agency. Chris Haynes reports that Denver would be willing to give up Kenneth Faried in a potential deal, with Wilson Chandler and Emmanuel Mudiay also "available." Stay tuned.

Source: Marc Stein on Twitter