6/20/17 - Reds at Rays

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds
P Amir Garrett (L)

1. Billy Hamilton (S) CF
2. Scooter Gennett (L) 2B
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Adam Duvall (R) LF
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Scott Schebler (L) RF
7. Devin Mesoraco (R) DH
8. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
9. Jose Peraza (R) SS

Rays
P Alex Cobb (R)

1. Steven Souza Jr. (R) RF
2. Corey Dickerson (L) LF
3. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
4. Logan Morrison (L) DH
5. Trevor Plouffe (R) 1B
6. Daniel Robertson (R) SS
7. Peter Bourjos (R) CF
8. Taylor Featherston (R) 2B
9. Jesus Sucre (R) C

[ScotlandRed]

Would have liked to see Winker at DH again and Mesoraco catching after he got the day off yesterday

[Big Klu]

Would have liked to see Winker at DH again and Mesoraco catching after he got the day off yesterday

Whoever is catching tonight's game is not catching tomorrow, since it's a day game after a night game.

[Kc61]

Whoever is catching tonight's game is not catching tomorrow, since it's a day game after a night game.

Right. But since Barnhart caught yesterday, tonight might have been Mes catching, Winker DH.

Which is no big deal but (as I recall) Price said yesterday that Winker is DHing all these Tampa games. Not sure why that changed.

[Tom Servo]

lol cool Thom buys into the 757690 thing about Garrett being ruined by being sent down

[Tom Servo]

Scheb...

[OnBaseMachine]

Of course. Schebler loses a foul ball in the roof and Longoria takes advantage by doubling on the next pitch.

[Big Klu]

Right. But since Barnhart caught yesterday, tonight might have been Mes catching, Winker DH.

Which is no big deal but (as I recall) Price said yesterday that Winker is DHing all these Tampa games. Not sure why that changed.

So well have that configuration tomorrow instead of tonight.

[WrongVerb]

Garrett's body language tells me he has a hard time when things go against him. He comes back and tries harder, and by doing that he loses focus on technique and skill allowing him to get the batter out. Missed catch? He grooves the next pitch.

[Tom Servo]

Didn't think Mesoraco was gonna go first to third, nice wheels

[Banshee]

Peraza rbi hit, reds lead 1-0

[Tom Servo]

Peraza RBI single makes it 1-0 Reds

[Tuff Nut]

MLB game cast screwy for anyone else?...had game loaded for the 1st, then lost it.

[757690]

Amir's not fooling anyone, but Suarez is picking him up so far.

[Big Klu]

Isn't "Plouffe" French for "smurf"?

[Tom Servo]

lol Rays let the ball drop in for a Duvall triple

[757690]

That was also on Freddie Benevides. He needs to tell Votto to slide with the bad throw.

[WrongVerb]

Duvall with the gift triple.

i wonder if Duvall runs as hard as he does if Votto didn't loaf it down to 1st on the wide throw.

[Tom Servo]

Geno single makes it 2-0 Redlegs

[WrongVerb]

Isn't "Plouffe" French for "smurf"?

I thought it was a type of shirt.

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[Big Klu]

THom is really full of himself tonight.

"I don't care if a guy loses a ball in the sun or the lights. That's too bad, but the ball needs to be caught."

I really doubt that THom ever played the game.

[757690]

THom is really full of himself tonight.



What do you mean "tonight"?

[Big Klu]

What do you mean "tonight"?

Even more so than normal, I mean.

[Tom Servo]

3-2 Rays :(

[WrongVerb]

That third run is on Schebler for not throwing the ball to second.

[Tom Servo]

That third run is on Schebler for not throwing the ball to second.
Nah it's on Garrett for not striking Morrison out.

[Big Klu]

That third run is on Schebler for not throwing the ball to second.

No, he would have advanced to second anyway on the ground ball back to Amir.

[WrongVerb]

I also question the wisdom of throwing to Dickerson even though you have the lefty-lefty matchup. Load the bases with 2 outs and go after the guy just acquired off the waiver wire.

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No, he would have advanced to second anyway on the ground ball back to Amir.

Dammit, stop screwing up my hot takes with facts! :)

[Center Cut]

Scott Schebler with the Delhi Park softball play trying to throw a guy out at home for no reason. Frustrating.

[Center Cut]

61 pitches through 2 2/3. Going to be another early bullpen night.

[Tom Servo]

The Reds are stubborn as hell leaving dudes with 7.00ish ERAs up. I'm fine with taking lumps but within reason.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Welsh makes a nice point there, but the hackin' Redlegs aren't buying it.

[Chip R]

The Reds are stubborn as hell leaving dudes with 7.00ish ERAs up. I'm fine with taking lumps but within reason.

They were criticized for sending him down now they are being criticized for keeping him up here. I'm sure the Reds would like to know what to do

[Tom Servo]

They were criticized for sending him down now they are being criticized for keeping him up here. I'm sure the Reds would like to know what to do
Well, a small minority criticized sending him down. I simply don't see why a guy with a 7.00 ERA who can't put away Trevor Plouffe shouldn't be trying to get out teams full of Trevor Plouffe's in AAA.

[BluegrassRedleg]

LOL. Cross-up of the Year.

[Tom Servo]

Jose Havoc with an infield single, stolen base, and advances to third on a passed ball.

[BluegrassRedleg]

The contact play is horrible.

[Center Cut]

I hate the contact play.

[Tom Servo]

Contact play fails again, Peraza out at home. Why did they go back to doing this?

[WrongVerb]

Was that the contact play or a TOOTBLAN?

[lnn6574]

Why?


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[BluegrassRedleg]

When is the last time anyone can recall the contact play being a success for the Reds? I cannot remember one in a long, long time.

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Was that the contact play or a TOOTBLAN?

Yes. ;)

[Tom Servo]

Billy steals 2nd and hits his shoulder/head on the 2nd baseman hard

[WrongVerb]

BHam gonna have a nice shiner tomorrow.

[Tuff Nut]

Why are we walking guys hitting .188 and .214? Walks will haunt, but those types of walks will kill ya.

[BluegrassRedleg]

How in the world did a ball hit that low off the ground get out of the park?

[PutPeteIn]

This kid is all screwed up. Please send him down.

[DocRed]

Garrett is clearly not ready.....he's next to go down after Finnegan returns. Better days are ahead of him though....

[Tom Servo]

Jesus Sucre hits a 2-run HR, the 5th of his career. 5-2 Rays in the 4th.

[Tuff Nut]

Like I said. Time for the bull pen to get warmed up.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Another HR. Batting practice once again for the Reds' opponent.

[GADawg]

"sucre" punch to Garrett....backup catchers and opposing pitchers seem to make a living hitting off our pitchers

[Kc61]

6-2.

[Tom Servo]

6-2 Rays

7.41 ERA for Garrett. Should have been in AAA over a week ago.

[PutPeteIn]

Like I said.....send him down.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Two completely BS swings for HRs this inning. Laughable. The balls (as well as our pitchers) are a joke this year.

[Tom Servo]

The balls (as well as our pitchers) are a joke this year.
lol how can it be both

[Wolves198921]

Don't worry guys, football starts in two and half months. The Reds front office and coaching staff still gets their pay checks and that's all they care about, even though the fans should matter, we don't.

[Center Cut]

Pitch to Dickerson was at his ankles. That's incredible. Can't wait to see Lisalverto!

[Tom Servo]

Don't worry guys, football starts in two and half months. The Reds front office and coaching staff still gets their pay checks and that's all they care about, even though the fans should matter, we don't.
Go watch football highlights then.

[Tuff Nut]

Hope the Reds offense can get a couple runs here and there. Games not over with this offense, but gotta keep the others from teeing off.

[BluegrassRedleg]

lol how can it be both

Why not? Both are bad. Where's the conundrum?

[Tom Servo]

Nice play by Peraza deep in the hole.

[Tom Servo]

Why not? Both are bad. Where's the conundrum?
Well you say the pitchers are a joke because they're giving up these HRs...but at the same time you seem to blame the HRs on the balls. So which it is? Bad pitching that leads to HRs or juiced balls that turn outs into HRs?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Pitch to Dickerson was at his ankles. That's incredible. Can't wait to see Lisalverto!

This ridiculous swing produced a ball that went out of the park. LMAO/sigh https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170621/4b8cac18e271ccfaeeb99a0afec1839d.jpg


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[Big Klu]

How in the world did a ball hit that low off the ground get out of the park?

Because the wall down the LF line at Tropicana is only two feet high.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Well you say the pitchers are a joke because they're giving up these HRs...but at the same time you seem to blame the HRs on the balls. So which it is? Bad pitching that leads to HRs or juiced balls that turn outs into HRs?

Clarification: You don't think bad pitching and balls designed to do this aren't a lethal combination?

Are you seriously that hard-up for a debate tonight? :p

[Tony Cloninger]

I don't care what BS testing was done on the balls this smells like 1987 to me. The ball was jacked up that year. They changed where the ball was manufactured that prior off season. Not sure if that had to do a lot with it but look at the numbers from 1986. Then especially 1987 and 1988. They wanted excitement but now have turned it into a joke.

[RedTeamGo!]

::opens MLB at bat app and redszone game thread::

.......

::goes back to watching Under Siege on HBO go::

[757690]

Amir Garrett

Before before being sent down:

6 starts 4.25ERA 36IP 14BB 26K 6HR

After being sent down

6 starts 11.95 ERA 23IP 15BB 21K 15 HR

[Kc61]

I don't care what BS testing was done on the balls this smells like 1987 to me. The ball was jacked up that year. They changed where the ball was manufactured that prior off season. Not sure if that had to do a lot with it but look at the numbers from 1986. Then especially 1987 and 1988. They wanted excitement but now have turned it into a joke.

Also consider that TB as a team is second in MLB in homers. And by now, with this game, they probably are #!.

I'm not too worried about Garrett, he had a good game last time, he just needs some more work.

It's just normal rebuilding aches and pains, as long as these prospects stay healthy most will eventually be all right.

[Tony Cloninger]

I don't care what BS testing was done on the balls this smells like 1987 to me. The ball was jacked up that year. They changed where the ball was manufactured that prior off season. Not sure if that had to do a lot with it but look at the numbers from 1986. Then especially 1987 and 1988. They wanted excitement but now have turned it into a joke.


Get off my plane........I mean yard.

[Center Cut]

Wonder if Joey might need a day off tomorrow. I believe he's started every game this year. Maybe they'll DH him instead of giving him the day off.

[RedTeamGo!]

Amir Garrett

Before before being sent down:

6 starts 4.25ERA 36IP 14BB 26K 6HR

After being sent down

6 starts 11.95 ERA 23IP 15BB 21K 15 HR

It's almost as if the league adjusted to his 90 mph straight as an arrow fastball.

[Kc61]

Amir Garrett

Before before being sent down:

6 starts 4.25ERA 36IP 14BB 26K 6HR

After being sent down

6 starts 11.95 ERA 23IP 15BB 21K 15 HR

Very scientific. If he hadn't been sent down he would be hurling a shutout tonight.

Give me a break.

[Tony Cloninger]

Also consider that TB as a team is second in MLB in homers. And by now, with this game, they probably are #!.

I'm not too worried about Garrett, he had a good game last time, he just needs some more work.

It's just normal rebuilding aches and pains, as long as these prospects stay healthy most will eventually be all right.

I'm not really concerned about this anymore. I am starting to wonder how Mahle and Castillo will do but hope they will have the better idea of leaving them in AAA until they actually are ready and not think they are ready.

I just hate seeing my favorite sport turned into a joke because of them panicking over the dearth of offense in the early 2010s.

[Tom Servo]

Amir Garrett

Before before being sent down:

6 starts 4.25ERA 36IP 14BB 26K 6HR

After being sent down

6 starts 11.95 ERA 23IP 15BB 21K 15 HR
It's more like

Amir Garrett first 3 starts: 19.2 innings, 21 strikeouts, 3 walks, 1 HR, 1.83 ERA

Amir Garrett ever since: 38.2 innings, 28 strikeouts, 26 walks, 18 HRs, astronomical ERA

[Kc61]

I'm not really concerned about this anymore. I am starting to wonder how Mahle and Castillo will do but hope they will have the better idea of leaving them in AAA until they actually are ready and not think they are ready.

I just hate seeing my favorite sport turned into a joke because of them panicking over the dearth of offense in the early 2010s.

Nobody ever became a major league player in AAA.

I have no objection to more AAA time for any of these guys. Send Garrett back, I don't care.

But every one of them has to take his lumps in the bigs. Nobody just breezes through.

Brandon Finnegan is the highest drafted Reds pitching prospect in the group at AA and above. Yet he had plenty of trouble last year breaking into the big leagues.

[Kc61]

It's more like

Amir Garrett first 3 starts: 19.2 innings, 21 strikeouts, 3 walks, 1 HR, 1.83 ERA

Amir Garrett ever since: 38.2 innings, 28 strikeouts, 26 walks, 18 HRs, astronomical ERA

Right. Garrett's simply had problems after his early start.

I would also remind everyone that Garrett spent ten days on the DL. That injury probably had an impact too.

[757690]

It's more like

Amir Garrett first 3 starts: 19.2 innings, 21 strikeouts, 3 walks, 1 HR, 1.83 ERA

Amir Garrett ever since: 38.2 innings, 28 strikeouts, 26 walks, 18 HRs, astronomical ERA

Okay. So it seems that maybe, either being sent down, or being left in way too long in his 4th start had a very strong effect on his production... or both.

[Tom Servo]

Thom really filling his diaper over Cobb's delivery.

[RedTeamGo!]

Okay. So it seems that maybe, either being sent down, or being left in way too long in his 4th start had a very strong effect on his production.

Or maybe, we just don't have to assign blame to anyone.

[WrongVerb]

Chris talking Thom down off the ledge. LOL

[Tom Servo]

Okay. So it seems that maybe, either being sent down, or being left in way too long in his 4th start had a very strong effect on his production.
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[757690]

Or maybe, we just don't have to assign blame to anyone.

We don't have to do anything, except stay Reds fans and die.

But the best way to not repeat mistakes is to examine when and how they are made.

[Big Klu]

Chris talking Thom down off the ledge. LOL

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[RedTeamGo!]

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[Roy Tucker]

So how's that "don't worry, we don't need any vets to start, we have a lot of good young starting pitchers" turning out?

[M2]

Jesus Sucre has to be known as Sweet Jesus around the clubhouse, right?

[WrongVerb]

Thom now pimping Cingrani as a starter. So glad he's not making decisions for this club.

[Roy Tucker]

Where has that Tony Cingrani been the last couple years?

[Tom Servo]

This game is really boring. Votto almost livened it up, but only a deep flyout.

[WrongVerb]

Chris: You can't bring all the kids up at once.

Thom: But I'm hearing things. People are saying you could do that.

Chris: No.

[Big Klu]

THom, maybe we do know the answer to Cody Reed and Robert Stephenson. Maybe you just don't like the answer.

[BluegrassRedleg]

This game is really boring. Votto almost livened it up, but only a deep flyout.

Almost fitting for that dump of a stadium.

[Big Klu]

Almost fitting for that dump of a stadium.

It feels like they are playing in a warehouse, or the secret lair of a James Bond villain.

[Roy Tucker]

I feels like they are playing in a warehouse, or the secret lair of a James Bond villain.

Or Tina Turner in her dominatrix-Mad-Max garb.

[Roy Tucker]

Reminds me of the Silverdome, the RCA Dome, or the Hump.

Like watching baseball in a giant bag.

[Big Klu]

Or Tina Turner in her dominatrix-Mad-Max garb.

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[Roy Tucker]

Bourjos mucked up that line drive.

Peraza barely out at first.

[Kc61]

Ariel Hernandez one, two, three, great stuff.

[Big Klu]

THom, I just looked up "Bartolo Colome" at Baseball-Reference.

Nothing.

[Tony Cloninger]

The faster this team develops a CF with some hitting or OB skills would be great too. By the time the Reds get a manager who does not view speed as the primary need for a lead off hitter would be good too. I've lost my train of thought. All beer and no play makes Homer go something something.

[Tom Servo]

Votto! :jump:

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Joey Votto - 241
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Todd Frazier - 108
25. Dave Parker - 107
26. Chris Sabo - 104
27. Dave Concepcion - 101

[Kc61]

Reds within a run. 6-5, two outs.

[Tom Servo]

Duvall double and Suarez single and it's a one run game with two outs in the 9th

[Center Cut]

Votto! :jump:

The guy is incredible. Chokes up a bunch and hits it 110mph.

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Votto! :jump:

The guy is incredible. Chokes up a bunch and hits it 110mph.

[Roy Tucker]

Don't quite get the PR for Suarez.

[Tom Servo]

There is no joy in Tampa, mighty Schebler has struck out.

[Big Klu]

Don't quite get the PR for Suarez.

Evidently Alcantara is faster than Suarez, and he carries the tying run.

[BluegrassRedleg]

If Votto stays healthy, maybe career-best numbers? He hasn't really even gotten to his typical nuclear months.


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[Big Klu]

Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Tucker Barnhart, who was 3-for-4 with a triple, double, and single, and 1 RBI.

[Big Klu]

The Reds fall to 4-7 on Bowtie Tuesday. (Honestly, I thought it was worse than that.)

[Raisor]

Scott Schebler with the Delhi Park softball play trying to throw a guy out at home for no reason. Frustrating.

Look who is back!

:waves:

[Wonderful Monds]

Scott Schebler with the Delhi Park softball play trying to throw a guy out at home for no reason. Frustrating.

As a fan.

[WVRedsFan]

We don't have to do anything, except stay Reds fans and die.

But the best way to not repeat mistakes is to examine when and how they are made.It's funny that after the first three disastrous seasons, they said Price was rehired to help develop young pitchers. Helluva job, Bryan. What's the excuse now?

[cumberlandreds]

The Reds fall to 4-7 on Bowtie Tuesday. (Honestly, I thought it was worse than that.)

Angels are 12-0 on Tuesdays this season. They must like their bowties.

The Angels are 12-0 on Tuesdays this season. Since 1900, only the 1997 Orioles (16-0) have had a better start to a season on Tuesdays.
Maldonado on win over Yanks.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/237595608/angels-send-yankees-to-seventh-straight-loss/?game_pk=491163